1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 31 Aug 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 483       Contents:9 3X-LK463-A2 DEC layout USB keyboard... no longer supplied = Re: 3X-LK463-A2 DEC layout USB keyboard... no longer supplied = Re: 3X-LK463-A2 DEC layout USB keyboard... no longer supplied ! Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? ! RE: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? ! Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? ! Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? ! Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? 3 Analyse/disk and FI5DEF structures in reserved FIDs " cars, was re: HPworld - I Survived& Re: cars, was re: HPworld - I Survived Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator??? Re: charon vax emulator???3 Re: CSWS v2.0 & CSWS_PHP v1.2 - "php4_module" error 3 Re: CSWS v2.0 & CSWS_PHP v1.2 - "php4_module" error 3 Re: CSWS v2.0 & CSWS_PHP v1.2 - "php4_module" error  dec alpha 3000-600 error code = DECdns hangs (infinite loop?) when trying to shut down DECnet # Error while listing a saveset file. ' Re: Error while listing a saveset file. ' Re: Error while listing a saveset file. ' Re: Error while listing a saveset file. ' Re: Error while listing a saveset file.  have fun with "inquire"  Re: HP Away  Re: HP Away  Re: HPworld - I Survived Re: HPworld - I Survived Re: HPworld - I Survived Re: HPworld - I Survived Re: HPworld - I Survived Re: HPworld - I Survived Re: HPworld - I Survived  Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000's Re: SWS-2.0 (Apache) & CGI ??? Re: SWS-2.0 (Apache) & CGI ??? Volume Shadow Copy Stays at 0%" Re: Volume Shadow Copy Stays at 0%" Re: Volume Shadow Copy Stays at 0%" Re: Volume Shadow Copy Stays at 0%P [ENABLE AUTOSTART] Is there progress in how to determine the state of AUTOSTART % [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] System freezed   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:35:55 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGB Subject: 3X-LK463-A2 DEC layout USB keyboard... no longer supplied0 Message-ID: <00A372AD.40193C14@SendSpamHere.ORG>  8 According to HP, this part is no longer available.  Why?  H If HP is moving VMS to Itanium then it should sell the hardware allowing it to be usable!     --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:46:19 GMT , From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com>F Subject: Re: 3X-LK463-A2 DEC layout USB keyboard... no longer supplied& Message-ID: <41349D08.E2004AD0@hp.com>  5 	I have brought this problem to the attention of the  < person responsible for the LK463.  This is the first he has ) heard of problems ordering this keyboard.      forrest kenney  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > : > According to HP, this part is no longer available.  Why? > J > If HP is moving VMS to Itanium then it should sell the hardware allowing > it to be usable! >  > --> > http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security? >                       solutions that others only claim to be.  > --. > Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:N >   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! > --M > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 10:43:26 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) F Subject: Re: 3X-LK463-A2 DEC layout USB keyboard... no longer supplied= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0408310943.2453ccb3@posting.google.com>    Brian,  D Just checked with Dave Rogers and this is a mistake there are plentyA in supply he will be sending you email I have sent him your email  address.  
 Warm Regards,  Sue      X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A372AD.40193C14@SendSpamHere.ORG>...: > According to HP, this part is no longer available.  Why? > J > If HP is moving VMS to Itanium then it should sell the hardware allowing > it to be usable! >  >  > --  > > http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security? >                       solutions that others only claim to be.  > --  . > Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:N >   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2004 13:39:50 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)* Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ???* Message-ID: <2pjdd5FloglhU1@uni-berlin.de>  3 In article <OkLple99UOUe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:W > In article <2ph9hjFk3hsoU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >>  G >> Of course it was, but the argument above was that "UNIX was a little I >> broken down OS that folks at universities played around with" and that  >> just wasn't true. > E >    That was the general impression at the time.  AT&T had tried and E >    failed to make UNIX a commerical product, DEC had refused to buy D >    it, and it was known for a few good ideas long since surpassed.  F DEC refused to buy it?  What then was Ultrix?  Offered by DEC on everyG model box they sold at that time.  PDP, VAX and MIPS.  I'll have to dig G around fro some of my Sourcebooks ovcer this long weekend and post some 7 examples of what was available copmmercialy for Ultrix.   J >    We weren't even hearing the "UNIX is the silver bullet" speaches yet. > J >> Not sure what that has to do with it.  While the advent of the 68K madeL >> for a lot of cheap Unix boxes, there were lots of commercial Unix systemsK >> running on everything else.  WE32000, Prime 50 series, Amdahl IBM Clone, K >> VAX, PDP-11, Univac 1100,  Unix was available in one form or another for F >> nearly everything.  VMS ran on the VAX and not even on all of them. > I >    There were a lot of computer models that UNIX had been ported to by  M >    then, but not necessarily a large number of systems actually running it. L >    Just as there were never a large number of non-Intel computers running ? >    WNT even though there were several architectures that did.   F I have never seen one Microsoft ad for WNT on anything but Intel.  AndG unlike Unix, there was no outside interest in pushing it on any system. D I only knew of two non-Intel architectures for WNT.  MIPS and Alpha.F We actually had someone buy an Alpha with WNT in it here.  He blew WNTF away and put Linux on it when he discovered there were no applications2 (not even from MS themselves) for the WNT version.   > J >> Of course there were, and a lot of them were running Unix, both SYSTEMVK >> and BSD.  Simple example.  I was working at the West Point, NY from 1980 J >> until 1988.  There was a large collection of computers running all over >> the campus. > I >    Campus, as in University (or Academy)?  That is where UNIX was.  Off  >    campus, it was not.  D Sorry to disappoit you, but the VMS machine was in G&CS (Geography &F Computer Science, how's that for a pairing :-).  I worked in the data-F center.  The first major Office Automation Project was looking at UNixF workstations.  I know, I wrote the proposal after doing all the demoesE to department heads.  Granted, some of the R&D departments used Unix, H but then, they also used RT-11 on Mincs.  Most of the academic computingF was UCSD-Pascal and after that fell into dis-favor, MSDOS and Windows.J Unix was making inroads into the business side of things before it started+ spreading through the academic departments.   D Oh, and I often hear the term "campus" used for business parks so it9 shouldn't automatically bring visions of schools to mind.    > E >> I came here to the University in 1989.  There was IBM for business G >> applications, one VAX for academic use running VMS and several dozen G >> SUN Servers and Workstations.   While VMS eventually elbowed the IBM > >> systems out the door, they never grew to any great numbers. > H >   Again, you're on a campus.  And by the late 80's RISC chips were outF >   and commercial users had taken the pain of migrating onto UNIX forH >   the raw CPU power.  DEC was getting into trouble still thinking theyI >   were a hardware manufacturer.  UNIX was coming out everywhere and we   >   all had learned it.  > J >   I wish somebody did have the numbers, I'd expect the total VMS systemsJ >   outnumbered the total UNIX systems for a few years in the early to mid	 >   80's.   G So, how many MIPS boxes did DEC ship?  Did the number ever approach the I number of VAXen? (Granted, MIPS boxes were a lot smaller and not targeted J at the same market.)  Is there anyone at DEC/HP who can provide the numberH of Ultrix licenses sold?  I honestly suspect that during that period, inG part because it involved so many different architectures (PDP, MIPS and I VAX) rather than the one supported by VMS, DEC themselves may likely have   sold more Unix systems than VMS.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:40:53 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> * Subject: RE: A whopping 50 percent...  ???9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKELGDLAA.tom@kednos.com>    < -----Original Message-----F < From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu [mailto:bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu]On Behalf Of < Bill Gunshannon ( < Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:40 AM < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + < Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent... ???  <  < 5 < In article <OkLple99UOUe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, @ < 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:? < > In article <2ph9hjFk3hsoU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu  < (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  < >>I < >> Of course it was, but the argument above was that "UNIX was a little K < >> broken down OS that folks at universities played around with" and that  < >> just wasn't true. < > G < >    That was the general impression at the time.  AT&T had tried and G < >    failed to make UNIX a commerical product, DEC had refused to buy F < >    it, and it was known for a few good ideas long since surpassed. < H < DEC refused to buy it?  What then was Ultrix?  Offered by DEC on everyI < model box they sold at that time.  PDP, VAX and MIPS.  I'll have to dig I < around fro some of my Sourcebooks ovcer this long weekend and post some 9 < examples of what was available copmmercialy for Ultrix.  < L < >    We weren't even hearing the "UNIX is the silver bullet" speaches yet. < > L < >> Not sure what that has to do with it.  While the advent of the 68K madeA < >> for a lot of cheap Unix boxes, there were lots of commercial  < Unix systemsB < >> running on everything else.  WE32000, Prime 50 series, Amdahl < IBM Clone,A < >> VAX, PDP-11, Univac 1100,  Unix was available in one form or 
 < another for H < >> nearly everything.  VMS ran on the VAX and not even on all of them. < > J < >    There were a lot of computer models that UNIX had been ported to byC < >    then, but not necessarily a large number of systems actually 
 < running it. ; < >    Just as there were never a large number of non-Intel  < computers running A < >    WNT even though there were several architectures that did.  < H < I have never seen one Microsoft ad for WNT on anything but Intel.  AndI < unlike Unix, there was no outside interest in pushing it on any system. F < I only knew of two non-Intel architectures for WNT.  MIPS and Alpha.H < We actually had someone buy an Alpha with WNT in it here.  He blew WNTH < away and put Linux on it when he discovered there were no applications4 < (not even from MS themselves) for the WNT version.  J I had NT for a while on an XL266 and with FX!32 you could install anything" (I think) that ran natively on x86 <  < > L < >> Of course there were, and a lot of them were running Unix, both SYSTEMVC < >> and BSD.  Simple example.  I was working at the West Point, NY  < from 1980 L < >> until 1988.  There was a large collection of computers running all over < >> the campus. < > K < >    Campus, as in University (or Academy)?  That is where UNIX was.  Off  < >    campus, it was not. < F < Sorry to disappoit you, but the VMS machine was in G&CS (Geography &H < Computer Science, how's that for a pairing :-).  I worked in the data-H < center.  The first major Office Automation Project was looking at UNixH < workstations.  I know, I wrote the proposal after doing all the demoesG < to department heads.  Granted, some of the R&D departments used Unix, J < but then, they also used RT-11 on Mincs.  Most of the academic computingH < was UCSD-Pascal and after that fell into dis-favor, MSDOS and Windows.L < Unix was making inroads into the business side of things before it started- < spreading through the academic departments.  < F < Oh, and I often hear the term "campus" used for business parks so it; < shouldn't automatically bring visions of schools to mind.  <  < > G < >> I came here to the University in 1989.  There was IBM for business I < >> applications, one VAX for academic use running VMS and several dozen I < >> SUN Servers and Workstations.   While VMS eventually elbowed the IBM @ < >> systems out the door, they never grew to any great numbers. < > J < >   Again, you're on a campus.  And by the late 80's RISC chips were outH < >   and commercial users had taken the pain of migrating onto UNIX forJ < >   the raw CPU power.  DEC was getting into trouble still thinking theyJ < >   were a hardware manufacturer.  UNIX was coming out everywhere and we < >   all had learned it.  < > L < >   I wish somebody did have the numbers, I'd expect the total VMS systemsL < >   outnumbered the total UNIX systems for a few years in the early to mid < >   80's.  < I < So, how many MIPS boxes did DEC ship?  Did the number ever approach the K < number of VAXen? (Granted, MIPS boxes were a lot smaller and not targeted L < at the same market.)  Is there anyone at DEC/HP who can provide the numberJ < of Ultrix licenses sold?  I honestly suspect that during that period, inI < part because it involved so many different architectures (PDP, MIPS and K < VAX) rather than the one supported by VMS, DEC themselves may likely have " < sold more Unix systems than VMS. <  < bill <  < --L < Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF < bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. < University of Scranton   |@ < Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h> <  < --- ( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A < Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004  <  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:35:38 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> * Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ???, Message-ID: <W6ednUFoVsJFB6ncRVn-iQ@igs.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 > In article <OkLple99UOUe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ? > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: D >> In article <2ph9hjFk3hsoU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill >> Gunshannon) writes: >>> H >>> Of course it was, but the argument above was that "UNIX was a littleE >>> broken down OS that folks at universities played around with" and  >>> that just wasn't true. >>F >>    That was the general impression at the time.  AT&T had tried andF >>    failed to make UNIX a commerical product, DEC had refused to buyE >>    it, and it was known for a few good ideas long since surpassed.  > H > DEC refused to buy it?  What then was Ultrix?  Offered by DEC on everyE > model box they sold at that time.  PDP, VAX and MIPS.  I'll have to C > dig around fro some of my Sourcebooks ovcer this long weekend and C > post some examples of what was available copmmercialy for Ultrix.  > F >>    We weren't even hearing the "UNIX is the silver bullet" speaches >> yet.  >>F >>> Not sure what that has to do with it.  While the advent of the 68KE >>> made for a lot of cheap Unix boxes, there were lots of commercial G >>> Unix systems running on everything else.  WE32000, Prime 50 series, F >>> Amdahl IBM Clone, VAX, PDP-11, Univac 1100,  Unix was available inF >>> one form or another for nearly everything.  VMS ran on the VAX and >>> not even on all of them. >>F >>    There were a lot of computer models that UNIX had been ported toE >>    by then, but not necessarily a large number of systems actually F >>    running it. Just as there were never a large number of non-Intel: >>    computers running WNT even though there were several >> architectures that did. > H > I have never seen one Microsoft ad for WNT on anything but Intel.  AndA > unlike Unix, there was no outside interest in pushing it on any 	 > system. F > I only knew of two non-Intel architectures for WNT.  MIPS and Alpha.H > We actually had someone buy an Alpha with WNT in it here.  He blew WNTH > away and put Linux on it when he discovered there were no applications4 > (not even from MS themselves) for the WNT version.    E I know of a large-ish number (50 or so) Alphaserver 2100's which were L purchased and used with NT 4 by a  government department running SQL Server.  J They likeed the 2100's quite a bit but when when the following versions of@ NT on Alpha were cancelled by MS, the Alpha's went out the door.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 12:16:41 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ???3 Message-ID: <eJKtw5wsB7F4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <87n00cl7lw.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:  > G > With the Vax, DEC pulled the plug on the edu software pricing. So you F > could bye a 780 then pay another $30K odd for VMS, ot $200 for unix.  @    $40K was the price we were quoted for BSD back in those days.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 12:29:16 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ???3 Message-ID: <lccwia$7RsVk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <2pjdd5FloglhU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  > H > DEC refused to buy it?  What then was Ultrix?  Offered by DEC on everyI > model box they sold at that time.  PDP, VAX and MIPS.  I'll have to dig I > around fro some of my Sourcebooks ovcer this long weekend and post some 9 > examples of what was available copmmercialy for Ultrix.   E    After failing to make it commerically viable, AT&T offered UNIX to H    DEC.  Not a license to sell a UNIX, but the whole thing including theD    trademark and all intellectual property.  Cheap.  DEC turned them    down.  @    Ultrix was just a rebadged BSD sold under a license to sell a    rebadged BSD.     H > I have never seen one Microsoft ad for WNT on anything but Intel.  AndI > unlike Unix, there was no outside interest in pushing it on any system. F > I only knew of two non-Intel architectures for WNT.  MIPS and Alpha.H > We actually had someone buy an Alpha with WNT in it here.  He blew WNTH > away and put Linux on it when he discovered there were no applications4 > (not even from MS themselves) for the WNT version.  F    I know people who have copies of AT&Ts adds for UNIX back when theyC    tried to make it sell.  Greased it up like a real silver bullet.    F > Sorry to disappoit you, but the VMS machine was in G&CS (Geography &1 > Computer Science, how's that for a pairing :-).   =    Still sounds like academia to me, which is where UNIX was.   I > So, how many MIPS boxes did DEC ship?  Did the number ever approach the  > number of VAXen?  0    No.  MIPS was just a flash in the pan at DEC.  J > I honestly suspect that during that period, in part because it involved J > so many different architectures (PDP, MIPS and VAX) rather than the one J > supported by VMS, DEC themselves may likely have sold more Unix systems  > than VMS.   B    I know I fellow who learned UNIX on a VAX.  I had 3 MIPS UltrixH    systems.  I have the part number for DEC's UNIX for PDP-11 (UV711M?).H    I never met anyone who bought DEC's UNIX for PDP-11 but I'm sure theyH    made some sales.  IIRC the AT&T port to PDP-11 was a critical step inG    the evolution of UNIX.  I think before BSD was ported to VAX a great F    many UNIX were running on PDP-11.  But I think the vast majority ofE    PDP-11 were running a variation of RSX (I had 6 of those in a shop %    that only had 16 computers total).    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 07:50:10 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)< Subject: Analyse/disk and FI5DEF structures in reserved FIDs3 Message-ID: <mTiwe4$AgBwj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   G analyze/disk on V7.3-1 complains verbosely if you create a ODS-5 volume G and use FI5DEF instead of FI2DEF structures for the reserved files upto  FID (9,9,0).  L It doesn't mind FI5DEF structures in FIDs above this (including SECURITY.SYSL at FID (10,10,0)). Is there something in VMS that requires FI2DEF structures< for reserved files as everything else _appears_ to work ok ?   Simon.  H PS: And before the inevitable what am I trying to achieve questions :-),K I was curious to know how much work would be involved in creating a utility K to write ODS-5 volumes instead of just reading them, so I created a program I over the weekend to initialise a floppy with a ODS-5 filesystem structure I as this touches on all the areas involved (answer: a lot of work, judging 9 by the amount of TODO's scattered throughout my code...).    --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       P SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 12:09:07 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: cars, was re: HPworld - I Survived 3 Message-ID: <X6+recd4q1zG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <2pjc14Fl3njoU2@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:   C > And as long as we're comparing cars now, why are 54mpg cars still @ > available in Europe and not allowed to be imported here? (EverC > look at the offerings from Smart?  Ideal urban vehicles.  Smaller C > size, lower gas consumption, lower pollution.  And their not even 
 > hybrids.  E    And not meeting US safety or polution standards.  There is already D    a grey market handling Smart.  The manufacturer plans to make andG    sell Smart cars meeting US standards soon (2006 model year I think).   C    Meanwhile, I can drive a hybrid Honda Civic sedan meeting all my E    needs for a sedan off the lot today.  But by the time I need a new B    sedan I'll also be close to needing a new minvan.  I'm watchingB    but haven't seen a hybrid minivan plan from anyone.  But I haveD    signed up to test drive Ford's new hybrid truck (SUV) in October.  G    I understand Ford's truck will get the same mileage as my 4 cylinder H    Camry.  Thats just a little better than my 6 cylinder Caravan.  Sigh.  G    And I haven't even seen hybrid plans from Chrysler or GM.  Maybe I'm     not looking hard enough?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:47:24 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: cars, was re: HPworld - I Survived , Message-ID: <4134B9A4.917BA986@teksavvy.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:G >    And not meeting US safety or polution standards.  There is already F >    a grey market handling Smart.  The manufacturer plans to make andI >    sell Smart cars meeting US standards soon (2006 model year I think).   I If a car consumes less fuel than some car that is approved by the US, one L would think that it polutes less... UNTIL you've been to Taiwan where strictI car emissions standards did not apply to mopeds and you see the pollution  emitted by the mopeds.  N In my opinion, the real reason Smart isn't here is more of a marketing reason.M The public and industry in the USA has been convinced that there is no demand G for small cars and that there is huge demands for personal trucks (SUV, ; minivans, tanks/hummers, large cruiseships (wide cars) etc.   H It isn't just the right of selling your car in a country, but it is alsoI getting a distribution/retail network setup. And if retailers are told by N their main supplier (GM/Chrysler/Ford) that there is no market for small cars,B they are not likely to wish to have small cars in their inventory.  N Also remember that the US car industry isn't about to want a small car to takeN over the USA market. Not only would this prove the marketing brainwashing thatN americans want big cars to be wrong, but it would also put the USA industry inL a very difficult position, since it would take a number of years to gear uypM to produce small cars again, having spent the last 2 decades transforming its - plants to produce bigger and bigger vehicles.   L Remember that Chrysler had struck a deal with Renault when AMC was bought byN Chrysler from Renault that Renault would not sells its small cars in the northL american market. As a result, the Renault 5 which had been extremely popular! in Canada is no longer available.     E >    Meanwhile, I can drive a hybrid Honda Civic sedan meeting all my ) >    needs for a sedan off the lot today.   J But those are overpriced cars that command their premium because they knowW rich californian environmentalists are willing to pay anything to make their statement.   I >    And I haven't even seen hybrid plans from Chrysler or GM.  Maybe I'm  >    not looking hard enough?   M Like Dell, the US manufacturers don't go for low volume stuff, they just want K mainstream products. And the problem is that through their heavy marketing, I the US car makers also tend to dictate what customers want, and since the K trucks/tanks are more profitable than small cars, the US car makers have no F incentive to switch to smaller cars on their own, so they keep pushing& customers to want to buy trucks/tanks.  M And Wall street would not take kindly to a US car maker taking the initiative N to cananbalise production of profitable personal trucks in order to make a bet6 that less profitable smaller cars will become popular.  J It will take a significant dip in market share and real bad financials forF Wall Street to agree to the big US car makers to reduce personal truckK production and reassign plants to produce small cars to compete against the  foreign competitors.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 09:58:45 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? 3 Message-ID: <sOvGR5+7Fq1M@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <2phjitFl1fglU1@uni-berlin.de>, "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:  > A >   As Robert Boers has said before "Windows is remarkably stable  >   if it is not used."   7    In my book that would mean the power was turned off.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 09:57:37 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? 3 Message-ID: <A6ZOYeQpO2YD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <413399F4.9050205@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:  > Bob Koehler wrote: > H >>   If you lock the Windows machine in a vault with nothing comming outH >>   but the power cord and the VMS-only ethernet connection, I will not >>   believe it is secure.  K > This sounds like pure Windows prejudice, which is fine if that is all it  J > is, I can accept that (as I felt the same way going into the CHARON-VAX H > project), but if you believe that there is a technical basis for your H > position, I would love to here it, and perhaps even argue it, because I > the way I see it, the *ONLY* Windows driver exposed to the world would  K > be NDIS5, which is a very basic, and simple driver, so the exploit would  K > have to occur there and I would be very fascinated as to how you believe   > that might occur...   F    My "prejudice" is based on past experience.  I do not have the timeH    or interest to figure out how to hack Windows myself.  I just have to5    put up with the blasted thing on some of my desks.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 09:59:20 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? 3 Message-ID: <ttOh6qLbfm97@eisner.encompasserve.org>   u In article <41339e67$0$22765$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> writes:   @ > I hope Bob won't mind me answering for him, but this is how...      Thanks much!    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:44:36 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> # Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? ' Message-ID: <41349CE4.2060202@MMaz.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:  V >In article <413399F4.9050205@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes: >    >  >>Bob Koehler wrote: >>     >>H >>>  If you lock the Windows machine in a vault with nothing comming outH >>>  but the power cord and the VMS-only ethernet connection, I will not >>>  believe it is secure.	 >>>        >>> K >>This sounds like pure Windows prejudice, which is fine if that is all it  J >>is, I can accept that (as I felt the same way going into the CHARON-VAX H >>project), but if you believe that there is a technical basis for your H >>position, I would love to here it, and perhaps even argue it, because I >>the way I see it, the *ONLY* Windows driver exposed to the world would  K >>be NDIS5, which is a very basic, and simple driver, so the exploit would  K >>have to occur there and I would be very fascinated as to how you believe   >>that might occur... H >>   My "prejudice" is based on past experience.  I do not have the timeJ >>   or interest to figure out how to hack Windows myself.  I just have to7 >>   put up with the blasted thing on some of my desks.  >>     >>F And if I were to allow my past experience of VMS, back when I started E with version 1, to cloud all future judgment (when EDT could crash a  H system), arg, your argument is weak at best.  You are missing the point H entirely, I don't like Microslouth, their policies, their practices or, F generally speaking, their software but I do like CHARON-VAX as it has B proven itself a viable solution to us, a site that *MUST* run VAX  architecture.     G Please let me requalify everything I've been saying with this: I am in  I no way even suggesting that you should give Billy-Boy a big hug the next  ? time you're up in Redmond, but rather that if someone must use  H CHARON-VAX, and therefore must seriously consider making a Windows host H work, that it can be done, and done in a manner to minimize the general 5 'crap-effect' associated with Microslouth products...      Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:54:10 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca># Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? * Message-ID: <2pjl95FlosktU1@uni-berlin.de>   Bob Koehler wrote: >...9 >    In my book that would mean the power was turned off.   G I bought a Toyota Prius a week and a half ago (seems to me I remember a F few months back seeing someone else post in this group that they had aG Prius too), the car handles great, I use it to drive 50 KM each morning G and 50 KM each evening on one of the busiest highways in North America, H but I still hear people say "Those electric cars don't have enough powerH to get up to highway speeds fast enough" and "There's not enough room inG those things." Now I can offer to take them for a ride and see how well H it works and see how much leg room there is, but some people are happierG thinking that what they have not tried will not work and refuse to even ' listen to the people who have tried it.B  H SRI also sells CHARON-VAX AXP Plus for people who refuse to believe thatE Windows can be stable when properly configured, but I'm sure Bob willg7 have a list of reasons why that won't work either. Sad.h   -- 5 Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.. Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXc www.weaverconsulting.cai   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 12:13:37 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: charon vax emulator???e3 Message-ID: <n9uasasEzqHO@eisner.encompasserve.org>x  i In article <2pjl95FlosktU1@uni-berlin.de>, "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:v > I > I bought a Toyota Prius a week and a half ago (seems to me I remember apH > few months back seeing someone else post in this group that they had aI > Prius too), the car handles great, I use it to drive 50 KM each morningrI > and 50 KM each evening on one of the busiest highways in North America,oJ > but I still hear people say "Those electric cars don't have enough powerJ > to get up to highway speeds fast enough" and "There's not enough room inI > those things." Now I can offer to take them for a ride and see how well J > it works and see how much leg room there is, but some people are happierI > thinking that what they have not tried will not work and refuse to evenv) > listen to the people who have tried it.   H    The comments I'm hearing are more along the line of "those things are'    pretty zippy, they keep passing me".e  J > SRI also sells CHARON-VAX AXP Plus for people who refuse to believe thatG > Windows can be stable when properly configured, but I'm sure Bob will]9 > have a list of reasons why that won't work either. Sad.R  G    Sadly Charon-VAX AXP doesn't meet my needs.  And I'm really suprized-C    that it's not recommended for real-time work, which is one of my:2    needs.  Or is SRI wrong in that recommendation?   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 12:36:43 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler),# Subject: Re: charon vax emulator???h3 Message-ID: <nnf9+mmBCMAJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  U In article <41349CE4.2060202@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:* > I > Please let me requalify everything I've been saying with this: I am in mK > no way even suggesting that you should give Billy-Boy a big hug the next fA > time you're up in Redmond, but rather that if someone must use  J > CHARON-VAX, and therefore must seriously consider making a Windows host J > work, that it can be done, and done in a manner to minimize the general 7 > 'crap-effect' associated with Microslouth products...R >   ?    That I can agree with.  Which is why I'm actually looking atD@    Charon-VAX on Windows if I can justify a hardware maintenance
    recoup.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:32:59 +0200r+ From: Wilm Boerhout <w3.boerhout@planet.nl>o# Subject: Re: charon vax emulator???e5 Message-ID: <4134b6a3$0$2322$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>n  I > Nor do I believe it is practical for many sites, from a remote support l8 > viewpoint to cut off the windows box from the network. >  > Alex N  H Remote support is an issue. Although the concept of "weekly patches" is I not relevant for a properly configured Charon-VAX system on Windows (see oG any post above) it is very likely that a systems manager needs to peek t and poke the system at times.m  ? I am most familiar with HP/Compaq Proliant servers for hosting )H Charon-VAX (*). They come equipped with a so called ILO management port F (ILO is marketing speak for Integrated Lights Out, like the seventies  band IIRC :)  A This is an Ethernet port that is not visible to the main Windows 9C systems, but can nevertheless be used to access the Windows server RG console, access the server desktop and provide the system with virtual gF CD or floppy. A literal management support backdoor, so to speak. And F yes, this opens up the proverbial can of worms as well.  On the other D hand, if used properly, it will address the need for remote support.    F (*) I can imagine that Windows systems from other brands have similar 
 capabilities.i   -- t
 Wilm Boerhout  Zwolle, The Netherlandsw   wilmOLD@PAINTboerhout.nl2    (remove OLD PAINT from this address before use)   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:27:01 +0000 (UTC)o6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)< Subject: Re: CSWS v2.0 & CSWS_PHP v1.2 - "php4_module" error1 Message-ID: <newscache$bn0b3i$1uh1$1@news.sil.at>i  m In article <30AUG04.17052689@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>, karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) writes:l+ >In a previous article, "Rick Barry" wrote:o0 >->I've made a note to investigate this problem. >-> H >->(The best route to ensure that a problem is addresses is to report itM >->through the normal customer support channels. That way it gets tracked andg >->prioritized.) >"G >I was about to do that but then discovered quite by accident if you dorN >"@apache$common:apache$setup" before "@sys$startup:apache$shutdown" it works: >n >$ @apache$shutdowna: >Syntax error on line 5 of /apache$root/conf/mod_php.conf:O >Can't locate API module structure `php4_module' in file /apache$root/000000/moc7 >dules/mod_php_apache-2_0.exe: function not implementedr* >$ type apache$common:[000000]apache$setupP >%TYPE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for APACHE$COMMON:[000000]APACHE$SETUP.LIS; >-RMS-E-FNF, file not founde  C Cut&Paste Error or was the TYPE really meant to tell us something ?l  & >$ @apache$common:[000000]apache$setup >$ @apache$shutdownb  M Could it be, that the first APACHE$SHUTDOWN did (despite the error message) aeO shutdown and the second APACHE$SHUTDOWN did nothing (and so no error message) ?a  % >One of the DECC$* logicals I'll bet.e  - That's a hint to do further investigations...    -- X Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERx% Network and OpenVMS system specialisto E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:52:06 -0400c* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>< Subject: Re: CSWS v2.0 & CSWS_PHP v1.2 - "php4_module" error9 Message-ID: <OKYYc.61064$_h.22405@bignews3.bellsouth.net>r    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:  O > Could it be, that the first APACHE$SHUTDOWN did (despite the error message) aiQ > shutdown and the second APACHE$SHUTDOWN did nothing (and so no error message) ?n >  > & >>One of the DECC$* logicals I'll bet. >  > / > That's a hint to do further investigations...e >   M In my case, when I get the PHP4 error message during the Apache shutdown, no sI matter how long I sit & wait all of the Apache processes [main process & e" subprocesses] continue to execute.     --   Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 06:36:11 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)< Subject: Re: CSWS v2.0 & CSWS_PHP v1.2 - "php4_module" error3 Message-ID: <civGf9sX0X1d@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  m In article <30AUG04.17052689@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>, karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) writes:p, > In a previous article, "Rick Barry" wrote: > 1 > ->I've made a note to investigate this problem.C > -> aI > ->(The best route to ensure that a problem is addresses is to report itnN > ->through the normal customer support channels. That way it gets tracked and > ->prioritized.)s >   J I reported this to the UK CSC several months ago, and was given the advice0 to follow the same procedure as Carl discovered.  H > I was about to do that but then discovered quite by accident if you doO > "@apache$common:apache$setup" before "@sys$startup:apache$shutdown" it works:> >    Simon.   -- sB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       P SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 04:08:14 -0700& From: john b <john_member@newsguy.com>& Subject: dec alpha 3000-600 error code) Message-ID: <ch1m6u01e82@drn.newsguy.com>e  = I have a dec alpha 3000-600 that I found this morning with noeA monitor, mouse or keyboard response. I telneted to the machine itn> looked okay. I rebooted the machine and the back display light@ is set to code "DD". The machine will now not boot, but stays atC this code. What is the problem, as I have no knowledge of the code. ! I would like to fix this machine.P     john   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 03:24:37 -0700$ From: gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen)F Subject: DECdns hangs (infinite loop?) when trying to shut down DECnet= Message-ID: <bdc65a53.0408310224.67fba819@posting.google.com>(  @ I am running DECnet-Plus on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2. This system isC configured as a DECdns server. It is the only DECnet-Plus system on-C our network. The other systems all run DECnet Phase IV. (The servere? setup is in anticipation of other systems possibly migrating tosF DECnet-Plus some day.) This system is not clustered (VAXCLUSTER is set to 0).  * When I shut down DECnet it gets as far as:  3 %NET$SHUTDOWN-I-SHUTENTITY, Shutting down DNS CLERK00 %NET$SHUTDOWN-I-SHUTENTITY, Shutting down DECdns  E Then it just sits and waits forever (apparently). If I ctrl/c it goesDB ahead and apparently finishes the shutdown, but I see that there'sF still a DNS$Server process on the system. An ordinary STOP/ID gets rid of it.  E With some help from Ian Miller I determined via CDI$TRACE that DECnetuF is repeatedly trying to look up the address of this node itself. Below: is a transcript (typed by hand, so bear with me :-) below.  F Perhaps someone can help me determine why this is happening and how to cure it.      # ------ Transcript begins below-----r   [DECnet/CDI Request nnn]- Checking syntax of "NSname:.FOO.BAR.BAZ.ARDA"w [kkk] Syntax check requested' [kkk] DECdns: NSname:.FOO.BAR.BAZ.ARDA"u [kkk] valid syntax   [DECnet/CDI Request nnn+1]C ==nnn+1=== DECnet/CDI lookup request for "Nsname:.FOO.BAR.BAZ.ARDA"n === : -nnn+1- first, look up node "Nsname:.FOO.BAR.BAZ.ARDA" ---  / [kkk+1] lookup kkk+1: "NSname:FOO.BAR.BAZ.ARDA"o" Full name: NSname:FOO.BAR.BAZ.ARDA Synonym name: ARDAD WARNING!! Failed to translate SYS$CLUSTER_NODE_FULLNAME. Status: 1BC Alias name : Synonym alias name :  " [kkk+1] -- Entry found in cache --) [kkk+1] Fullname: NSname:FOO.BAR.BAZ.ARDAn [kkk+1] Synonym: ARDAm [kkk+1] Towerset length: 165  2 - nnn+1 - next, lookup synonym "ARDA" towerset ---   [kkk+2] lookup kkk+2: "ARDA"! Full name:NSname:FOO.BAR.BAZ.ARDAs Synonym name: ARDAD WARNING!! Failed to translate SYS$CLUSTER_NODE_FULLNAME. Status: 1BC Alias name : Synonym alias name :  " [kkk+2] -- Entry found in cache -- [kkk+2] Synonym: ARDAE [kkk+2] Towerset length: 165  0 CDI request nnn+1 complete, returning to Session- with lookup status "CDI operation successful"    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:49:35 +0530  From: "jay" <qwerty@asdf.lkj>c, Subject: Error while listing a saveset file.0 Message-ID: <10j863pamplc046@corp.supernews.com>   Hi  K I am encountering the following error message while listing a saveset usingo backup command.o  Any idea as to why this happens.   Thanks in advance for any help - JAYh  D VTXNJ1> set file/att=(rfm:fix,lrl=9216, rat=none) PVP04501_C-NEW.C;1) VTXNJ1> backup/list PVP04501_C-NEW.C/save  Listing of save set(s)0 %BACKUP-E-READERRS, excessive error rate reading SS_USER:[SYSTEM_GJT]PVP04501_C-  NEW.C;1.+ -BACKUP-E-HDRCRC, software header CRC error  %BACKUP-I-OPERSPEC< %BACKUP-I-OPERASSIST, operator assistance has been requested	 Interruptl VTXNJ1> 	 Interrupt    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:03:00 +0000 (UTC)w6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)0 Subject: Re: Error while listing a saveset file.1 Message-ID: <newscache$ab2b3i$i0i1$1@news.sil.at>E  P In article <10j863pamplc046@corp.supernews.com>, "jay" <qwerty@asdf.lkj> writes:L >I am encountering the following error message while listing a saveset using >backup command.! >Any idea as to why this happens.e >t >Thanks in advance for any helpI >- JAY > E >VTXNJ1> set file/att=(rfm:fix,lrl=9216, rat=none) PVP04501_C-NEW.C;1 * >VTXNJ1> backup/list PVP04501_C-NEW.C/save >Listing of save set(s)a1 >%BACKUP-E-READERRS, excessive error rate readinge  >SS_USER:[SYSTEM_GJT]PVP04501_C- >NEW.C;1, >-BACKUP-E-HDRCRC, software header CRC error >%BACKUP-I-OPERSPEC = >%BACKUP-I-OPERASSIST, operator assistance has been requestedt
 >Interrupt >VTXNJ1>
 >Interrupt  I It means, the BACKUP Saveset has not the correct attributes or isn't one.aI Try SET FILE/ATT=(RFM=FIX,LRL=32256,RAT=NONE) if it makes a difference...x   -- k Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERs% Network and OpenVMS system specialistp E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:26:31 -0700d From: Z <z@no.spam>c0 Subject: Re: Error while listing a saveset file.0 Message-ID: <10j8rj8pppq6693@corp.supernews.com>  
 jay wrote:F > VTXNJ1> set file/att=(rfm:fix,lrl=9216, rat=none) PVP04501_C-NEW.C;1  % What makes you think the LRL is 9216?e  $  From another post, by Hoff Hoffman:  C This procedure is on Freeware V4.0 and later, in the 000TOOLS area:    --  & $! RESET_BACKUP_SAVESET_ATTRIBUTES.COM $!1 $! P1  is the specification of the BACKUP saveset  $!5 $! This procedure resets the record format and recordi4 $! length attributes of a BACKUP saveset -- savesets0 $! can get "broken" during certain sorts of file6 $! transfers -- such as FTP.  This procedure reads the4 $! (undocumented) saveset record attributes directly $! out of the target file. $!4 $! First render the saveset readable, and implicitly $! check that the file exists. $! $ Set File -=      /Attributes=(RFM:FIX,MRS:512,LRL=512,ORG=SEQ,RAT=NONE) -e	      'p1'a $r( $ Open/Error=whoops/Read BckSaveset 'p1'0 $ Read/Error=whoops/End=whoops BckSaveset Record $ Close/Nolog BckSaveset $l/ $! Find the blocksize from within the record...n $  $ BlockSize = 0n $ BBH_L_BLOCKSIZE = %x28*81 $ BlockSize = F$CVUI(BBH_L_BLOCKSIZE, 32, Record)o2 $ If BlockSize .lt. 2048 .or. BlockSize .gt. 65535 $ Then, $   Write sys$output "Unexpected block size" $   Goto whoopsh $ Else4 $   Set File /Attributes=(RFM:FIX,LRL='BlockSize', -#         MRS='BlockSize',RAT=none) -          'p1' $ endifs $ exit $WHOOPS: $ Write sys$output "Error" $ exit   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:08:00 +0530i From: "jay" <qwerty@asdf.lkj>.0 Subject: Re: Error while listing a saveset file.0 Message-ID: <10j8s9bkjnvfi14@corp.supernews.com>  E I tried with the procedure that you mentioned but I get the followings warning message.  E syelwatk@oakvms> @reset_backup_saveset_file_attributes.com pvp04501.cs  8 %RMS-W-RTB, 1106 byte record too large for user's buffer   syelwatk@oakvms>        K "Z" <z@no.spam> wrote in message news:10j8rj8pppq6693@corp.supernews.com...R > jay wrote:H > > VTXNJ1> set file/att=(rfm:fix,lrl=9216, rat=none) PVP04501_C-NEW.C;1 >h' > What makes you think the LRL is 9216?e >e& >  From another post, by Hoff Hoffman: >sE > This procedure is on Freeware V4.0 and later, in the 000TOOLS area:s >@ > -- >n( > $! RESET_BACKUP_SAVESET_ATTRIBUTES.COM > $!3 > $! P1  is the specification of the BACKUP saveseto > $!7 > $! This procedure resets the record format and recordt6 > $! length attributes of a BACKUP saveset -- savesets2 > $! can get "broken" during certain sorts of file8 > $! transfers -- such as FTP.  This procedure reads the6 > $! (undocumented) saveset record attributes directly > $! out of the target file. > $!6 > $! First render the saveset readable, and implicitly  > $! check that the file exists. > $! > $ Set File -? >      /Attributes=(RFM:FIX,MRS:512,LRL=512,ORG=SEQ,RAT=NONE) -  >      'p1'd > $s* > $ Open/Error=whoops/Read BckSaveset 'p1'2 > $ Read/Error=whoops/End=whoops BckSaveset Record > $ Close/Nolog BckSaveset > $ 1 > $! Find the blocksize from within the record...u > $  > $ BlockSize = 0  > $ BBH_L_BLOCKSIZE = %x28*83 > $ BlockSize = F$CVUI(BBH_L_BLOCKSIZE, 32, Record)e4 > $ If BlockSize .lt. 2048 .or. BlockSize .gt. 65535 > $ Then. > $   Write sys$output "Unexpected block size" > $   Goto whoopsi > $ Else6 > $   Set File /Attributes=(RFM:FIX,LRL='BlockSize', -% >         MRS='BlockSize',RAT=none) -  >         'p1'	 > $ endif  > $ exit
 > $WHOOPS: > $ Write sys$output "Error" > $ exit   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 07:24:12 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)0 Subject: Re: Error while listing a saveset file.= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0408310624.41c26b5a@posting.google.com>   U "jay" <qwerty@asdf.lkj> wrote in message news:<10j863pamplc046@corp.supernews.com>...i > Hi > M > I am encountering the following error message while listing a saveset usinge > backup command. " > Any idea as to why this happens. >   > Thanks in advance for any help > - JAYl > F > VTXNJ1> set file/att=(rfm:fix,lrl=9216, rat=none) PVP04501_C-NEW.C;1+ > VTXNJ1> backup/list PVP04501_C-NEW.C/savee > Listing of save set(s)2 > %BACKUP-E-READERRS, excessive error rate reading! > SS_USER:[SYSTEM_GJT]PVP04501_C-u	 > NEW.C;1 - > -BACKUP-E-HDRCRC, software header CRC errorn > %BACKUP-I-OPERSPEC> > %BACKUP-I-OPERASSIST, operator assistance has been requested > Interruptb	 > VTXNJ1>  > Interrupto  T Either the save set is corrupt or you still do not have the file attributes correct.    Try this (from the HP Web site):  & $! RESET_BACKUP_SAVESET_ATTRIBUTES.COM $!1 $! P1  is the specification of the BACKUP savesetc $!5 $! This procedure resets the record format and recordB4 $! length attributes of a BACKUP saveset -- savesets0 $! can get "broken" during certain sorts of file6 $! transfers -- such as FTP.  This procedure reads the4 $! (undocumented) saveset record attributes directly $! out of the target file. $!4 $! First render the saveset readable, and implicitly $! check that the file exists. $! $ Set File -<     /Attributes=(RFM:FIX,MRS:512,LRL=512,ORG=SEQ,RAT=NONE) -     'p1' $ ( $ Open/Error=whoops/Read BckSaveset 'p1'0 $ Read/Error=whoops/End=whoops BckSaveset Record $ Close/Nolog BckSaveset $R/ $! Find the blocksize from within the record...d $l $ BlockSize = 0. $ BBH_L_BLOCKSIZE = %x28*81 $ BlockSize = F$CVUI(BBH_L_BLOCKSIZE, 32, Record) 2 $ If BlockSize .lt. 2048 .or. BlockSize .gt. 65535 $ Then, $   Write sys$output "Unexpected block size" $   Goto whoops  $ Else4 $   Set File /Attributes=(RFM:FIX,LRL='BlockSize', -"        MRS='BlockSize',RAT=none) -        'p1'p $ endif  $ exit $WHOOPS: $ Write sys$output "Error" $ exit   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 06:32:44 -0700+ From: Pierre.Bru@spotimage.fr (Bru, Pierre)e  Subject: have fun with "inquire"= Message-ID: <a39f53b1.0408310532.255f5143@posting.google.com>b   hi,S  @ the folowing procedure (say pwd.com) does what you think it does   <-- cut here --> $ set pas/gen=8  invalidb  $ inquire pwd "0123456789012345" <-- cut here -->   but this one   <-- cut here --> $ set pas/gen=8  invalidn! $ inquire pwd "01234567890123456"  <-- cut here -->  8 does return to the prompt without executing the inquire.   <-- cut here --> $ @pwd  
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 rinelgared	 liguelinge  C Choose a password from this list, or press RETURN to get a new listv: %RMS-W-RTB, 223600 byte record too large for user's buffer   That word is not on this list:  
 tessiessin	 sonitaile 	 hindelbeso
 rinelgared	 ligueling   C Choose a password from this list, or press RETURN to get a new listr $p <-- cut here -->     I run OpenVMS V7.3-1% do you have the same funny behavior ?    Pierre.y   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 04:54:44 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: Re: HP Away= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0408310354.192997a9@posting.google.com>v   (...)  > J > Maybe you should insist you want it without the 24X7 linux support, the M > resellers have to chose a 'support' option, but there is a part number for S > 'no support'.  > N > Get them to change the 24X7 linux support, (probably part number HA111A1 or L > HA110A1) to 'No Additional Support Purchased"  this is part number H4396A. > N > Yes its odd to have a part number to order 'no support', but I guess its to O > ensure the question has been asked. I am sure with this your price will come   > out a lot better!  >  > Alex   Alex  B I doubt ! The reseller told me that the 24x7 support is mandatory.5 Why ? Well I dont believe Linux as a "free" product. @ The companies dont want to make investments in operating systemsA anymore, but they want to make money with support (mandatory) and.	 services.s   RegardsU   FC   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2004 13:07:26 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP Away* Message-ID: <2pjbgeFl3njoU1@uni-berlin.de>  = In article <f30679fb.0408310354.192997a9@posting.google.com>,r1 	fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes:  > (...)n >> nK >> Maybe you should insist you want it without the 24X7 linux support, the ,N >> resellers have to chose a 'support' option, but there is a part number for  >> 'no support'. >> aO >> Get them to change the 24X7 linux support, (probably part number HA111A1 or tM >> HA110A1) to 'No Additional Support Purchased"  this is part number H4396A.  >> eO >> Yes its odd to have a part number to order 'no support', but I guess its to eP >> ensure the question has been asked. I am sure with this your price will come  >> out a lot better! >> a >> Alexe >  > Alex > D > I doubt ! The reseller told me that the 24x7 support is mandatory.7 > Why ? Well I dont believe Linux as a "free" product._B > The companies dont want to make investments in operating systemsC > anymore, but they want to make money with support (mandatory) and- > services.- >   A The flaw in the Gnu Public Virus.  Lot's of people appear to lives? up to the letter of the agreement while blatantly violating thei spirit.s   bill   -- dJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   m   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2004 13:16:21 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)! Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survivede* Message-ID: <2pjc14Fl3njoU2@uni-berlin.de>  3 In article <GTuJYCaKLXJx@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:W > In article <2pgv60Fklj2aU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:w > 6 >> Because the government in some other country breaksG >> both your legs for jaywalking wouldn't make this one better for only  >> breaking one of your legs.n > J >    I have to return you non sequitur.  We were taking financial issues,  >    not asault.  F It was an analogy.  Let's put it in financial terms.  Just because oneH country steals from it's citizens wallets doesn't make it OK for another) to do it because they take a little less.h   > E >    Although I personnally would rather have only one leg broken.  Ir= >    think I could get the hell out of there easier that way.  > B >    And I think a more usefull comparison would be a country thatA >    forces you to use an econo-box vs. one where filling up your,G >    Excursion makes you wonder if an Explorer would have done the job.o  A And as long as we're comparing cars now, why are 54mpg cars stills> available in Europe and not allowed to be imported here? (EverA look at the offerings from Smart?  Ideal urban vehicles.  SmallerUA size, lower gas consumption, lower pollution.  And their not evene hybrids.   bill a   -- iJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 10:09:10 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)m! Subject: Re: HPworld - I Surviveda3 Message-ID: <lvZA3sG9lpAw@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  \ In article <4133A83D.C906D8B1@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  O > Now, the line is electrified from Boston to Washington and there is no longerrL > a need for a non-trivial stop at Hartford to switch engines. However, veryO > little, of any, of the Boston-Washington corridor line is actually capable of O > supporting TGV speeds. TGV speeds are attainable not with special trains, but M > rather with special tracks and more importantly, special overhead lines and M > pantographs that allow sufficient power to be picked up at speeds where the O > pantographs projects a wave onto the line, causing the ripples in that "wave"pJ > to cause pantographs to lose some contact with line, and this ability to > pickup power.   G   I understand TGV requires special:  trains (pantographs), rails, and tH   power lines.  Which is why the Acela can't reach TGV speeds.  But IIRCH   only the track Amtrack owns in even running the Acela.  You just can't    do that sharing freight rails.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 10:05:21 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s! Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survived 3 Message-ID: <YMU0P3tkwLOl@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  \ In article <4133AB3D.92C4C3CC@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  M > JIT normally happens between sites that are reasonably close to each other, O > and for such shorter distances, the overhead of trains just can't compete. It'O > takes way to much time to get parts from the manufacturers's backyard shuntediM > to the rail yards, pushed onto a traisn being constructed, get the train towP > travel, and the reverse process happening to get the parts into the customer's$ > backyard where the parts are used.  G    Once upon a time trains pulled up to the loading dock at the back of E    your wharehouse or factory.  In many places they still do.  In theoD    last couple decades a couple of shortlines have sprung up showingA    that it is possible to turn a profit doing this sort of thing.b  E    Shortlines, and dock-to-dock service was discontinued by the major D    railroads at a time when they couldn't compete with trucks due toF    tax advantages (the trucks were not paying for thier roads, but theF    railroads were paying for thier rails), and the shortlines were the     lowest profit (or most loss).  3    I often think more short lines should come back.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:54:53 -0400?- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>r! Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survivedl, Message-ID: <41349F4B.C623B053@teksavvy.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:I >    Once upon a time trains pulled up to the loading dock at the back ofbG >    your wharehouse or factory.  In many places they still do.  In the F >    last couple decades a couple of shortlines have sprung up showingC >    that it is possible to turn a profit doing this sort of thing.B    N Yes, even here in Canada, one of the majors (CP Rail) has had since the 1980s,A a mission to self destruct itself by ditching as much of its railrN infrastructure as the government would allow it to. They are no longer a coastJ to coast railway. But as a result, lots of smaller railways have sprung up: when they were able to buy the old lines at very low cost.  M The short lines bring up an interesting example of scalability in enterprise.iN Wall Street Casino Economists have long said that the bigger you are, the moreL efficient you are, pushing corporations to merge with each other (generating: lots of profits for the bankers who manage those mergers).  J But in the end, how come a short line operator can make profits on a smallD operation when the supposedly more efficient mega railway couldn't ?  H And to bring this back to topic: how come Mickey Dell was able to tackle# corporations such as HP and IBM ?  e  J Compaq VS Dell is an interesting example: Both started not that many yearsL apart. Compaq self destructed not only because of its purchase of Tandem andK Digital, but also because it stopped competing, thinking it had reached the G "king of the industry status", while, at the same time, Mickey Dell was ' continuing to work hard and move ahead.B  N Dell is probably still a much smaller company than HP, yet its market share isJ very impressive when you consider the smaller number of employees, smaller number of sales outlets etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:16:40 -0400i< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>! Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survived,* Message-ID: <2pjmjbFm79tjU1@uni-berlin.de>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: >...C > And as long as we're comparing cars now, why are 54mpg cars stillM@ > available in Europe and not allowed to be imported here? (EverC > look at the offerings from Smart?  Ideal urban vehicles.  SmalleroC > size, lower gas consumption, lower pollution.  And their not even 
 > hybrids.  H Smart is coming to Canada this fall and I believe they will be in the USG in 2006 (just verified that at www.smart.com). Interesting little cars,sG when I was in Switzerland a few months back you could not walk down thes@ street without stepping on a few along the way. :) At the time ID mentioned to another person in the group that they would be great inD North America if you are staying in the city limits, but I would notG want to try one on the highways. In early July I could not believe thateE I saw one on the highway doing about 110 KM/HR, there was a transportoD truck less than a metre off its bumper, and the transport driver wasG hunched over his wheel looking at the Smart car with a look on his face " that said "What is that thing?" :)   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXh www.weaverconsulting.cat   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:08:59 -0400m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survived , Message-ID: <4134A298.8CD54B5C@teksavvy.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:H >   I understand TGV requires special:  trains (pantographs), rails, andJ >   power lines.  Which is why the Acela can't reach TGV speeds.  But IIRCJ >   only the track Amtrack owns in even running the Acela.  You just can't" >   do that sharing freight rails.  H Correct. But the Acela is essentially TGV technology. Bombardier got theN rights to the TGV technology and this is what got it the contract to build theN Acela trains. So you'd think that the Acela trains themselves would be capable of true high speed.   J As it stands, the Acela trains don't go significantly faster than previousL generation metroliner or other trains that circulated in the corridor. (theyF do provide additional comfort, but some argue it isn't worth the price difference with metroliners).m  N Amtrak will need to invest significant amounts of money to bring its tracks upL to TGV standards. The problem is that it isn't incremental improvements thatN will do the trick. They need to rebuild the tracks to TGV standards instead ofL gradually improving them. But Amtrak' budgets and capital spending abilitiesD won't allow them anything more than yearly incremental improvements.  M This is where europe and north america differ: in europe, the governments didoM invest the mega money needed to build the rail lines to TGV standards. And itsL can be argued that this money was simply diverted from money that would haveG gone to improving the highways. And now, the TGV operation in france iseL profitable enough to generate some of the capital needed to extend it lines.  K In fairness however, France doesn't have the weather and especially wintersdK that we have. And a couple years ago, a bad wind storm shutdown much of therK trains on northwest of france, including the eurostar because winds broughtmW salt water spray deep into the land, and ruined many overhead lines and power stations.o  @ So electric train travel is not without its own problems either.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:31:05 -0400i# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>f! Subject: Re: HPworld - I Survivede, Message-ID: <nfCdnesqGZtIKKncRVn-qw@igs.net>   Peter Weaver wrote:e > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> ...D >> And as long as we're comparing cars now, why are 54mpg cars stillA >> available in Europe and not allowed to be imported here? (Ever D >> look at the offerings from Smart?  Ideal urban vehicles.  SmallerD >> size, lower gas consumption, lower pollution.  And their not even >> hybrids.a >cG > Smart is coming to Canada this fall and I believe they will be in theeF > US in 2006 (just verified that at www.smart.com). Interesting littleF > cars, when I was in Switzerland a few months back you could not walkD > down the street without stepping on a few along the way. :) At theD > time I mentioned to another person in the group that they would beE > great in North America if you are staying in the city limits, but IlF > would not want to try one on the highways. In early July I could notD > believe that I saw one on the highway doing about 110 KM/HR, thereA > was a transport truck less than a metre off its bumper, and thewF > transport driver was hunched over his wheel looking at the Smart car< > with a look on his face that said "What is that thing?" :)  K His look was probably more along the lines of, "If I squash it, will anyonee care?"   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 04:50:46 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)) Subject: Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000'st= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0408310350.636cf259@posting.google.com>e   "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in message news:<FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3E0025@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>...l > > -----Original Message-----, > > From: Hal Kuff [mailto:kuff@tessco.com] ! > > Sent: August 30, 2004 2:41 PM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-- > > Subject: Re: OpenVMS running on HP 3000's3 > > B > > Yup..... guess that is to confuse the HP Legacy people further > >  > >  > > : > > "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message% > > news:41337022.5050506@MMaz.com...6; > > > Anyone else catch the August 23 eWeek article titled * >  'Countrywide tapese< > > > WRQ for integration?'  Boy, have they got their facts  >  screwed up here> > > > and what makes this worse?  Claiming that this inerrant  > > data came from > > HP!: > > > H > > > "Countrywide Global isn't alone in its reliance on legacy systems.H > > > Officials at Hewlett-Packard Co. estimate that there are more thanB > > > 400,000 of its OpenVMS systems installed worldwide, many of 
 >  them on HP  > > > 3000 machines."  > > >W > > >  >  > Re: "legacy" systems ..  >  > Rant mode on>s > D > I always get a kick out of those media types that like to refer toF > "legacy" systems as necessary evils that does not warrant additional > expenditures.p > J > Reality check - *all* platforms have legacy versions. That does not make  > the current versions "legacy". > H > Microsoft now calls NT4 servers "legacy". Sun calls Solaris V2 serversJ > "legacy". IBM calls old mainframe versions "legacy".  AIX and HP-UX have > versions they call "legacy". > J > So, does the fact that Microsoft calls Windows NT4 servers "legacy" mean? > that Microsoft current versions are "legacy?". Of course not.t > F > Fwiw, I like the term "existing" systems. It is a term that is a lotC > less politically volatile than walking into a Windows, Solaris orXI > OpenVMS shop and referring to their applications that are running theirk > entire business as "legacy". >  > Rant mode off> >  > :-)I > 
 > Regards, >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultantt > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660h > Fax: 613-591-4477s > Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcoma. > (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)  > & > "OpenVMS has always had integrity ..  > Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."    H Isnt time to HP develop an internal program to migrate MPE applications@ to OpenVMS ? If they have similarities (Cobol, etc...) HP should) develop a program "MPE to OpenVMS IA-64".s     Or .... Charon-HP3000 ;-)i   Regardsa FC   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 07:48:05 -0700' From: n.rieck@sympatico.ca (Neil Rieck) ' Subject: Re: SWS-2.0 (Apache) & CGI ???-= Message-ID: <a5396d5d.0408310648.766bd00c@posting.google.com>o  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<4133D6EB.CED7862F@teksavvy.com>...h [...snip...] > M > For the sake of preventing any misunderstanding, should't we say stuff like6 > DEC-BASIC or VMS-BASIC ? > O > When I first read your post, because I saw "HP Basic", I assumed you had somecK > program running on some wintel or HP-UX box talking to the server on VMS.( > P > Since the compilers on VMS have no real relationahsip with any other compilersJ > in HP's OS portfolio, their names shoudl really reflect their VMS natureK > instead of a generic HP nature. (especially sine the onwer of VMS changesu > every couple of years).h >e2 This URL, http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/basic.htmlF mentions "Compaq BASIC" on the right hand side, but the link to get toE this page (visiable on the left hand side) is "HP BASIC for OpenVMS".e* So I guess I should have used this handle.  C But I disagree with your OpenVMS ownership comment. Compaq was a PCpF company that didn't have a clue how to market anything other than PCs.E Things like "OpenVMS technical seminars" and "repatriation of OpenVMSrD technical education" is enough proof for me that OpenVMS has found a good home at HP.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,a Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2004 12:32:33 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)d' Subject: Re: SWS-2.0 (Apache) & CGI ???e3 Message-ID: <6VdetO4CM+Kg@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  \ In article <4133D6EB.CED7862F@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > O > When I first read your post, because I saw "HP Basic", I assumed you had some0K > program running on some wintel or HP-UX box talking to the server on VMS.W  K    The last time I used HP Basic, it was ROM based.  And VAX-11/VMS 1.5 wasl    shipping.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:46:13 +0100S8 From: "news.fr.de.bosch.com" <peter.harper@uk.bosch.com>' Subject: Volume Shadow Copy Stays at 0%a4 Message-ID: <ch1aca$27s$1@ns1.fe.internet.bosch.com>   Hi All,I  F I recently set up an old Microvax 3100 to shadow the system disk using3 RZ28's. All disks seen ok after change of shadowingtK parameters, but when I issued the mount to bring the second member into thee, shadow set, VMS acknowledges the requirementJ for a copy but it just stays there saying 'ShadowCopying (Copy Traget DSA8
 0% Copied)  $ Its been like this now for 14 hours.  L Ths SHADOW_SERVER appears to be running and the VOLSHAD license is active. I see absolutely no errors in then OPERATOR log either.  ! Any one any ideas why is freezes?-  H I'm sure i've had this once before but for the life of me can't remember what caused it   Many Thankso   Peter Harper   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:06:21 +0000 (UTC)16 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)+ Subject: Re: Volume Shadow Copy Stays at 0%.1 Message-ID: <newscache$ug2b3i$i0i1$1@news.sil.at>e  o In article <ch1aca$27s$1@ns1.fe.internet.bosch.com>, "news.fr.de.bosch.com" <peter.harper@uk.bosch.com> writes:oG >I recently set up an old Microvax 3100 to shadow the system disk usingh4 >RZ28's. All disks seen ok after change of shadowingL >parameters, but when I issued the mount to bring the second member into the- >shadow set, VMS acknowledges the requirementhK >for a copy but it just stays there saying 'ShadowCopying (Copy Traget DSA8c >0% Copied)b >c% >Its been like this now for 14 hours.c >sM >Ths SHADOW_SERVER appears to be running and the VOLSHAD license is active. Ii  >see absolutely no errors in the >OPERATOR log either.  > " >Any one any ideas why is freezes? > I >I'm sure i've had this once before but for the life of me can't remember- >what caused itg  I If your SYSGEN Param SHADOW_MAX_COPY is 0 then shadow copies are the dutypF of another cluster members ;-) Or in other words, don't set it to 0 on standalones...  % btw. What does SHOW SHADOW tell you ?n   -- i Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERo% Network and OpenVMS system specialistk E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:57:36 GMTl/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)i+ Subject: Re: Volume Shadow Copy Stays at 0%-- Message-ID: <iC3VkhrPsRW2@cuebid.zko.dec.com>s  8 peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:$ ><peter.harper@uk.bosch.com> writes:  H >>I recently set up an old Microvax 3100 to shadow the system disk using5 >>RZ28's. All disks seen ok after change of shadowing M >>parameters, but when I issued the mount to bring the second member into thee. >>shadow set, VMS acknowledges the requirementL >>for a copy but it just stays there saying 'ShadowCopying (Copy Traget DSA8 >>0% Copied) > K > If your SYSGEN Param SHADOW_MAX_COPY is 0 then shadow copies are the dutyuH > of another cluster members ;-) Or in other words, don't set it to 0 on > standalones... > ' > btw. What does SHOW SHADOW tell you ?s  F He's on a VAX; OpenVMS VAX V7.3 was released before SHOW SHADOW, which, was first supported on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2.   -- e  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.coms   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:37:55 +0000 (UTC)C6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)+ Subject: Re: Volume Shadow Copy Stays at 0%b1 Message-ID: <newscache$g1fb3i$ywi1$1@news.sil.at>n  _ In article <iC3VkhrPsRW2@cuebid.zko.dec.com>, brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:b9 >peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:"( >> btw. What does SHOW SHADOW tell you ? >kG >He's on a VAX; OpenVMS VAX V7.3 was released before SHOW SHADOW, which - >was first supported on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2./  I Ooops. Got me. I'm to deep in Alphas now and so forget the VAX sometimes.   G Does this eventually mean that OpenVMS VAX V8.2 will have SHOW SHADOW ?.   -- . Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERO% Network and OpenVMS system specialistN E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:33:59 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)Y Subject: [ENABLE AUTOSTART] Is there progress in how to determine the state of AUTOSTART m1 Message-ID: <newscache$ca9b3i$ahi1$1@news.sil.at>N  J Over a year ago I ranted about a missing feature (which should have helpedJ me nail down one more error in the queue manager system) namely a reliableH and supported way for looking what the status of AUTOSTART is (and why aG queue doesn't start though the related manager is started and autostart- is enabled...)  6 $ SHOW QUEUE/MANAGER/FULL listing the AUTOSTART status   andq  I $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETQUI ("DISPLAY_MANAGER", "AUTOSTART_ENABLED", ...)1  G Because I recently (with V7.3-2) had such a problem again (last time it F was on V7.3-1), I thought I ask here if anyone has seen such a featureG in the various fieldtest versions (8.0, 8.1, 8.2) or VMS rollout plans.N   TIA    -- t Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERe% Network and OpenVMS system specialists E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:25:28 +0000 (UTC)r6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER). Subject: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] System freezed1 Message-ID: <newscache$ogeb3i$ywi1$1@news.sil.at>   F Yesterday I had a nice suprise finding my PWS workstation frozen afterJ the weekend. AMDS (which I fortunately configured long ago) showed nothingI on limit (97% CPU, 82% Mem, 124 BIO/s which is quite usual) but DTSESSION3- was MWAIT (RWMBX) and I wasn't able to login.d  D So I tried logging via SSH and later via LAT but these processes got& stuck too (COMO but with Prio 15/4 !).  N I decided to free up some memory by killing some processes (APACHE, WBEM, ...)I via AMDS but it didn't help. Memory usage came down to 68% but the frozen J processes stayed COMO and even some of the killed processes went into COMOD or MWAIT instead of vanishing. Finally I 'fixed' (crashed) the node.  M Anyone seen such a behaviour before ? Could a recent ECO have introduced it ?S  H For me it sounds like the SWAPPER bugfix description of VMS732_SYS-V0400G which is also mentioned in the VMS732_SYS-V0500. I haven't installed V5rG yet but I have V4 of VMS732_SYS in. OTOH I haven't had my process countOH or memory usage differently now, so why is the problem new for me. Which ECO introduced it ?m   TIAl     -- a Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER-% Network and OpenVMS system specialisto E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.483 ************************0j8rj8pppq6693@corp.supernews.com>  
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