1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 01 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 667       Contents: Re: CLUSTER_SIZE ramification  Re: CLUSTER_SIZE ramification  Re: CLUSTER_SIZE ramification  Re: CLUSTER_SIZE ramification  Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE" Re: DEC retail stores in the 1980s Re: enhancements to VMS MAIL Re: enhancements to VMS MAIL Re: enhancements to VMS MAIL Re: FTP behavior change? Re: FTP behavior change?! Re: FTP Files and version numbers ! Re: FTP Files and version numbers  Re: Good sftp server?  Re: Good sftp server? . How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too?2 Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too?2 Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too?2 Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too?) HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX - Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX  News Server  Re: News Server  Re: UUCP for OpenVMS on Alpha  VMS database article on OSNews VMS savesets Re: VT1xx flavors   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 09:30:18 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)& Subject: Re: CLUSTER_SIZE ramification3 Message-ID: <TDjsPD3$aZWs@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <5f0qq0h1c3t4i97bncl9ehrlrkevicdapj@4ax.com>, John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:M > I would say you probably don't want to waste more than 10% of the disk with M > partly-filled clusters, and that in itself suggests a cluster size of 1/5th L > the average file size.  Only you know what that is.  Or rather you suggestJ > you know how many files you need, from which you can work out a sensibleH > cluster factor.  The overhead in BITMAP.SYS is only 1 bit per cluster,1 > whereas in INDEXF.SYS it is 2048 bits per file.   K Many years ago someone showed me a neat way to deal with this. Assuming you E have a disk with a small cluster size to begin with, Diskkeepers free J analyzer used to be able to generate a storage histogram of files by size.F From that you could look for the mode (peak of the graph), and set the* cluster size to something near that value.  L Of course the existing cluster size would mask anything below that size. ButB most data disks showed pretty clear preferences based on the mode.  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I         We must have faith in our democratic system and our Constitution, K         and in our ability to protect at the same time both the freedom and '         the security of all Americans.     ------------------------------   Date: 1 DEC 2004 09:20:57 GMT 4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)& Subject: Re: CLUSTER_SIZE ramification5 Message-ID: <1DEC04.09205764@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>   ( In a previous article, John Laird wrote: ->   -> [Some very good points] ->  D ->...Do you really have up to 2.5 million files on your 36Gb drive ?  ? If you plan to use expandable volumes (INIT/LIMIT=n) some day,   then possibly.   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 9 --                  karcher.nomoresp0m@waisman.wisc.edu      ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:27:23 +0000 (UTC)- From: lewis@SPYDER.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) & Subject: Re: CLUSTER_SIZE ramification. Message-ID: <cokrdb$iqd$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes in article <5f0qq0h1c3t4i97bncl9ehrlrkevicdapj@4ax.com> dated Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:38:22 +0000: K >On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:21:40 +0000 (UTC), lewis@SPYDER.MITRE.ORG (Keith A.  >Lewis) wrote: >>H >>Assuming random file sizes, you "waste" half of a cluster per file, onN >>average.  So I want to set it low.  But I have noticed that large disks withN >>cluster size = 1 have huge INDEXF.SYS files, and that's no good either.  For9 >>example, I have a 36GB drive with a 1.25GB INDEXF file.  >>J >>Is there a formula to calculate how big the INDEXF file will be based on >>disk size and cluster size?  > M >See the online help for INITIALIZE.  INDEXF.SYS is nearly all headers, so it H >is sized according to the actual number of files and constrained by the; >maximum number of files on the volume.  This is limited to F >disk-size-in-blocks/(cluster-size+1) and defaults to half that value.L >However, INDEXF.SYS grows dynamically and can start very small, but you canI >pre-allocate space with the /HEADERS qualifier, and fix the maximum size  >with /MAXIMUM_FILES.   @ >Do you really have up to 2.5 million files on your 36Gb drive ?  L I seriously doubt it.  It's currently at 16,867 files and 95% full, the diskJ is used for application data which are not small files.  I'd be willing toI bet it has never gone over 100,000 files at the same time on that volume, J although the historic total could be 2.5M if you count every file that has ever been stored there.   H I probably initialized it with a relatively vanilla INIT command 4 years ago, something like:  :     $ INIT $12$DKB500 DATA6A /OWN=SYSTEM /CLUSTER=1/NOHIGH  K Since then we've been running ANAL/DISK/REPAIR every week as well as DFO.     Does one of those add to INDEXF?  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:38:42 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> & Subject: Re: CLUSTER_SIZE ramification8 Message-ID: <u1vrq01gr6q4mkpo9nfuth098h1dlisueh@4ax.com>  I On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:27:23 +0000 (UTC), lewis@SPYDER.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. 
 Lewis) wrote:    >John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes in article <5f0qq0h1c3t4i97bncl9ehrlrkevicdapj@4ax.com> dated Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:38:22 +0000: >>A >>Do you really have up to 2.5 million files on your 36Gb drive ?  > M >I seriously doubt it.  It's currently at 16,867 files and 95% full, the disk K >is used for application data which are not small files.  I'd be willing to J >bet it has never gone over 100,000 files at the same time on that volume,K >although the historic total could be 2.5M if you count every file that has  >ever been stored there.  L Headers are re-used, as you probably guessed or knew.  Although you have setE a minimum cluster size (below) I am more than a little surprised that K *something* has made INDEXF.SYS so big.  The formula says that the absolute H maximum number of files is going to be 36 million, however (disk size inJ blocks / cluster_factor+1).  It is possible therefore that on some extend,K the file has been made equal to some percentage of the maximum - this would J prevent disasters when the index file cannot be extended at all because itF itself must be mapped within one retrieval pointer and therefore has aK maximum number of permitted fragments.  Anyone who has suffered this in the F past when disk got init'd with an indexf.sys of 16 blocks and grew too2 gradually will remember the pain of that scenario.  I >I probably initialized it with a relatively vanilla INIT command 4 years  >ago, something like:  > ; >    $ INIT $12$DKB500 DATA6A /OWN=SYSTEM /CLUSTER=1/NOHIGH  > L >Since then we've been running ANAL/DISK/REPAIR every week as well as DFO.  ! >Does one of those add to INDEXF?   L I would hope not, but that's just a supposition.  I think if you wish to useL /CLUSTER=1 (and to be honest that's too small looking at your file numbers),G then you should also set /MAXIMUM_FILES to a much more realistic value. J Even something like 200000 (ten times your current use) will only yield anI index file of that size plus a little bit, which is quite workable, and I @ might further guess that it will never actually reach that size.   --  D Never let people drive you crazy when it's within walking distance.    Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 06:50:32 GMT 2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-6o5VzYBJiF8S@dave2_os2.home.ours>   @ On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:21:31 UTC, John Doe <jdoe@doe.org> wrote:    > This is intended to Guy Peleg. > 
 > PURGE/RESET  > P > Purges files down to the /KEEP or down to one, and then renames the files such& > that the oldest file's version is 1. >   > PURGE/RESET/OVERRIDE=INTERLOCK > 7 > Will do the above even to currently opened log files   A If I were Guy, one of the first questions I would ask is : "what  5 should the date fields do ? if renaming is required '    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 03:33:40 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE , Message-ID: <41AD81AE.F0B1F57E@teksavvy.com>   Another suggestion for purge:    PURGE/RESET/NODELETE  K This would allow you to go through a whole disk with one command and ensure J that you wouldn't actually delete any files, while resetting all log files back to a base number of 1.    Another one:   PURGE/NODELETE/LOG/KEEP=x   N This would allow you to get a list of all files that have more than x versionsG  on a disk without deleteling any. This would facilitate the finding of K directories on a disk where there are many many versions of files (allowing W system manager to then inquire h onwer of files if he really needs all those versions).    SET DIRECTORY/NOPURGE   M Would set a flag in a directory file that would tell the PURGE command to not N delete any files in that directory. (For instance, directories where there mayH be many "files" stored as separate versions and you don't want any to be! purged until they are processed).    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:23:58 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> % Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE ' Message-ID: <41AD8DAE.A52C6549@aaa.com>    JF Mezei wrote:    >  > PURGE/NODELETE/LOG/KEEP=x  > ; > This would allow you to get a list of all files that have 8 > more than x versions on a disk without deleteling any.  : I use "DIR *.*.-10" to do that. I usualy don't want to see! version "-11", "-12" and so on...    Jan-Erik   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:49:37 +0100 2 From: Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de>% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE ) Message-ID: <cok433$efd8@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Another suggestion for purge:  >  ... some snippets... >  > SET DIRECTORY/NOPURGE  > O > Would set a flag in a directory file that would tell the PURGE command to not P > delete any files in that directory. (For instance, directories where there mayJ > be many "files" stored as separate versions and you don't want any to be# > purged until they are processed).  I support the last one!!   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 07:58:16 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) % Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE 3 Message-ID: <deJs572TuTGs@eisner.encompasserve.org>   G In article <41AD006E.28E4BE58@doe.org>, John Doe <jdoe@doe.org> writes:   > This is intended to Guy Peleg. > 
 > PURGE/RESET  > P > Purges files down to the /KEEP or down to one, and then renames the files such& > that the oldest file's version is 1. >   > PURGE/RESET/OVERRIDE=INTERLOCK > 7 > Will do the above even to currently opened log files   A    Do you mean purge the open files, or just renumber them?  IIRC /    /renumber would be more mnemonic than /reset   H    I wouldn't want to be able to purge open files, what's the app to do?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:02:07 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> % Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE 8 Message-ID: <ed9rq0913h48cfapjv33tjrh5eadibmv36@4ax.com>  K On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 03:33:40 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  wrote:   >Another suggestion for purge: >  >PURGE/RESET/NODELETE  > L >This would allow you to go through a whole disk with one command and ensureK >that you wouldn't actually delete any files, while resetting all log files  >back to a base number of 1.  5 I'm not sure I follow this.  Is it not RENAME to ;1 ?   
 >Another one:  >  >PURGE/NODELETE/LOG/KEEP=x > O >This would allow you to get a list of all files that have more than x versions H > on a disk without deleteling any. This would facilitate the finding ofL >directories on a disk where there are many many versions of files (allowingX >system manager to then inquire h onwer of files if he really needs all those versions).  6 DIR ;-n will show you files with more than n versions.   >SET DIRECTORY/NOPURGE   > N >Would set a flag in a directory file that would tell the PURGE command to notO >delete any files in that directory. (For instance, directories where there may I >be many "files" stored as separate versions and you don't want any to be " >purged until they are processed).  I SET FILE/PROT ?  PURGE is really just DELETE (check accounting records) - 4 switch off D access if you don't want to lose files.    K Some of your ideas seem rather orthogonal to PURGE as it currently stands - I purge-and-rename is two operations that don't obviously go together.  For K what it's worth, your ideas do take me right me back to my earliest days on E VMS where my team leader used to keep source code in directories with G protected files and a general maximum of one version.  He wrote command J procedures along the lines of PURGE, DELETE and RENAME with an S prefix toH denote "secure".  So, SDELETE would delete protected files, SPURGE wouldA unprotect, purge, and re-protect, and SRENAME would rename to ;1.     L To be honest, I would trade all this and many other possible enhancements to> have DEFINE/EXEC and ASSIGN/EXEC never ever ever ever create aK supervisor-mode logical when I forget to invoke SYSNAM.  That has wasted so  much time over the years...    --  8 Insanity is hereditary - you get it from your children.    Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 06:17:58 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0412010617.56a5a261@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<41AD79BA.E89B3C7F@teksavvy.com>...  > Dave Weatherall wrote:D > > If I were Guy, one of the first questions I would ask is : "what9 > > should the date fields do ? if renaming is required '  > J > Created date remains the same. But I guess modified date could change ifP > absolutely necessary. But I think keeping dates unchanged would be better. You6 > then retain more iformation about the original file.  F You have to update the modification date-times. Otherwise, incremental backups won't work correctly.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 08:16:00 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE 3 Message-ID: <J0ctmyGncekB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <deJs572TuTGs@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: I > In article <41AD006E.28E4BE58@doe.org>, John Doe <jdoe@doe.org> writes: ! >> PURGE/RESET/OVERRIDE=INTERLOCK  >>  8 >> Will do the above even to currently opened log files > C >    Do you mean purge the open files, or just renumber them?  IIRC 1 >    /renumber would be more mnemonic than /reset  > J >    I wouldn't want to be able to purge open files, what's the app to do?  K Why would the app care?  The fact that the file is open will prevent actual A deletion and all you end up with is the marked-for-delete bit set @ and the directory entry removed from the directory.  Pretty much? exactly what you would want to happen in the case of log files.   E The biggest issue I see is that it makes it tough to get a purged log A file printed.  You can spool it, but it won't survive until print  time.   9 I do like the "/RENUMBER" qualifier better than "/RESET".    	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 09:16:22 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE 3 Message-ID: <6FZ9n2u9KLTE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <41AD2F85.D9A433C4@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > John Doe wrote:  >>  ! >> This is intended to Guy Peleg.  >>   >> PURGE/RESET >>  Q >> Purges files down to the /KEEP or down to one, and then renames the files such ' >> that the oldest file's version is 1.  >>  ! >> PURGE/RESET/OVERRIDE=INTERLOCK  >>  8 >> Will do the above even to currently opened log files > I > I'll second that, though I do see potential issues unless RESET and any 6 > of KEEP, SINCE or BEFORE are DISALLOWed in the .CLD.! No reason I shouldn't be able to    I $ PURGE /RESET /KEEP=n to keep n files and renumber them as versions 1:n.  Ditto for SINCE or BEFORE.    1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I         We must have faith in our democratic system and our Constitution, K         and in our ability to protect at the same time both the freedom and '         the security of all Americans.     ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 09:20:23 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE 3 Message-ID: <Z3h3HwOFmmhp@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <cok433$efd8@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>, Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de> writes: > JF Mezei wrote:   >> Another suggestion for purge: >>   > ... some snippets... >>   >> SET DIRECTORY/NOPURGE   >>  P >> Would set a flag in a directory file that would tell the PURGE command to notQ >> delete any files in that directory. (For instance, directories where there may K >> be many "files" stored as separate versions and you don't want any to be $ >> purged until they are processed). > I support the last one!!   Alas, I too could use this.   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I         We must have faith in our democratic system and our Constitution, K         and in our ability to protect at the same time both the freedom and '         the security of all Americans.     ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 09:22:28 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE 3 Message-ID: <3IDXN7EyO2BD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <ed9rq0913h48cfapjv33tjrh5eadibmv36@4ax.com>, John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:N > To be honest, I would trade all this and many other possible enhancements to@ > have DEFINE/EXEC and ASSIGN/EXEC never ever ever ever create aM > supervisor-mode logical when I forget to invoke SYSNAM.  That has wasted so  > much time over the years...   5 Been, there, done that, lost enough hair to prove it.   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I         We must have faith in our democratic system and our Constitution, K         and in our ability to protect at the same time both the freedom and '         the security of all Americans.     ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 09:19:46 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE 3 Message-ID: <Cayn8qjcRZUJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <41AD81AE.F0B1F57E@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Another one: >  > PURGE/NODELETE/LOG/KEEP=x  > P > This would allow you to get a list of all files that have more than x versionsI >  on a disk without deleteling any. This would facilitate the finding of M > directories on a disk where there are many many versions of files (allowing Y > system manager to then inquire h onwer of files if he really needs all those versions).   & I do something close to this now with:   $ DIR dev:[000000...]*.*.-x   I Yes, it won't quite be correct if there are holes in version numbers, but G it's good enough for most cases. And it doesn't tell you how many files 2 there are, just what files have too many versions.  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I         We must have faith in our democratic system and our Constitution, K         and in our ability to protect at the same time both the freedom and '         the security of all Americans.     ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:52:22 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE $ Message-ID: <cokss6$a60$2@online.de>  5 In article <41AD81AE.F0B1F57E@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:     > PURGE/NODELETE/LOG/KEEP=x  > P > This would allow you to get a list of all files that have more than x versionsI >  on a disk without deleteling any. This would facilitate the finding of M > directories on a disk where there are many many versions of files (allowing Y > system manager to then inquire h onwer of files if he really needs all those versions).    $! HIGH_VERSIONS.COM $! $!7 $! lists all files with a version number higher than P1  $! $! $  IF P1 .EQS. ""  $  THEN  $    TYPE SYS$INPUT   > P1 (required): version number above which files will be listed? P1 (optional): list of devices (with or without trailing colon) 	 $    EXIT  $  ENDIF $! $!6 $! create list of disks to search, if no list is given $!) $  DISK_LIST := SYS$SCRATCH:DISK_LIST.TXT  $  CLOSE/NOLOG DISK_LIST $  IF P2 .EQS. ""  $  THEN ' $    DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT 'DISK_LIST'  $    SHOW DEVICE/MOUNT D $  ELSE % $    OPEN/WRITE DISK_LIST 'DISK_LIST' # $    WRITE DISK_LIST "dummy record" # $    WRITE DISK_LIST "dummy record" # $    WRITE DISK_LIST "dummy record" 
 $    I = 0 $DISK_LOOP: ! $      DISK = F$ELEMENT(I,",",P2) 0 $      IF DISK .EQS. "," THEN GOTO END_DISK_LOOP $      WRITE DISK_LIST DISK  $      I = I + 1 $GOTO DISK_LOOP  $END_DISK_LOOP:  $  CLOSE/NOLOG DISK_LIST $  ENDIF $! $!, $! search all disks and write output to file $!" $  OPEN/READ DISK_LIST 'DISK_LIST' $  READ DISK_LIST LINE $  READ DISK_LIST LINE $  READ DISK_LIST LINE& $  COMMAND = "DIR/NOHEADER/NOTRAILER "# $  READ/END=END_LOOP DISK_LIST LINE + $  DISK = F$ELEMENT(0," ",LINE) - ":" + ":"  $  IF F$GETDVI(DISK,"EXISTS")  $  THEN  $    IF F$GETDVI(DISK,"MNT")	 $    THEN * $      COMMAND = COMMAND + DISK + "[*...]"	 $    ELSE 
 $      WSO "" D $      WSO "Error: first disk in the list, ''DISK', is not mounted!" $      GOTO CLEANUP 
 $    ENDIF $  ELSE 
 $      WSO "" D $      WSO "Error: first disk in the list, ''DISK', does not exist!" $    GOTO CLEANUP  $  ENDIF $LOOP:# $  READ/END=END_LOOP DISK_LIST LINE + $  DISK = F$ELEMENT(0," ",LINE) - ":" + ":"  $  IF F$GETDVI(DISK,"EXISTS")  $  THEN  $    IF F$GETDVI(DISK,"MNT")  	 $    THEN 0 $      COMMAND = COMMAND + "," + DISK + "[*...]"	 $    ELSE 
 $      WSO "" 2 $      WSO "Warning: disk ''DISK' is not mounted!"
 $    ENDIF $  ELSE  $    WSO "" 0 $    WSO "Warning: disk ''DISK' does not exist!" $  ENDIF
 $GOTO LOOP
 $END_LOOP: $  CLOSE/NOLOG DISK_LIST $  DELETE 'DISK_LIST';* ) $  FILE_LIST := SYS$SCRATCH:FILE_LIST.TXT  $  'COMMAND'/OUT='FILE_LIST' $! $!- $! read file and print only the high versions  $!	 $  WSO ""  $  CLOSE/NOLOG FILE_LIST" $  OPEN/READ FILE_LIST 'FILE_LIST' $CHECK_LOOP:) $  READ/END=END_CHECK_LOOP FILE_LIST LINE < $  IF F$INTEGER(F$ELEMENT(1,";",LINE)) .GT. P1 THEN WSO LINE $GOTO CHECK_LOOP $END_CHECK_LOOP: $! $!
 $! cleanup $!	 $CLEANUP:  $  CLOSE/NOLOG FILE_LISTA $  IF F$SEARCH("''DISK_LIST'") .NES. "" THEN DELETE 'DISK_LIST';* A $  IF F$SEARCH("''FILE_LIST'") .NES. "" THEN DELETE 'FILE_LIST';*  $  EXIT    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:52:56 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE * Message-ID: <41AE04F8.70807@tsoft-inc.com>   Karl Rohwedder wrote:    > JF Mezei wrote:  >   >> Another suggestion for purge: >> > ... some snippets... >  >> >> SET DIRECTORY/NOPURGEJ >> Would set a flag in a directory file that would tell the PURGE command 	 >> to not H >> delete any files in that directory. (For instance, directories where  >> there mayK >> be many "files" stored as separate versions and you don't want any to be $ >> purged until they are processed). >  > I support the last one!!  Q Along with a message stating that the directory has this flag set when the PURGE  S command is issued.  I really hate having something NOT happen, and not knowing WHY!    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:02:54 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE * Message-ID: <41AE074E.50007@tsoft-inc.com>   John Laird wrote:   M > On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 03:33:40 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  > wrote: >  >  >>Another suggestion for purge:  >> >>PURGE/RESET/NODELETE >>M >>This would allow you to go through a whole disk with one command and ensure L >>that you wouldn't actually delete any files, while resetting all log files >>back to a base number of 1.  >> > 7 > I'm not sure I follow this.  Is it not RENAME to ;1 ?     P I think what is intended is if you have a file with versions 11-20, they should N be renamed to versions 1-10, as an example.  This is really not a function of N PURGE, as you state below.  A more appropriate design would be a new function M that re-sets version numbers.  However, being able to PURGE and RESET in one  : operation (from the user's perspective) seems appropriate.   >>SET DIRECTORY/NOPURGE  >>O >>Would set a flag in a directory file that would tell the PURGE command to not P >>delete any files in that directory. (For instance, directories where there mayJ >>be many "files" stored as separate versions and you don't want any to be# >>purged until they are processed).  >> > K > SET FILE/PROT ?  PURGE is really just DELETE (check accounting records) - 6 > switch off D access if you don't want to lose files.    N That would give the desired result in some cases.  However, it's not directly M addressing the goal, and with sufficient privs a user could PURGE files that  N he/she really didn't want to delete.  A directory flag could refuse to delete ) files (using PURGE) even with BYPASS set.    Dave     --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:39:43 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com + Subject: Re: DEC retail stores in the 1980s - Message-ID: <871xeafgk0.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ' "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:   E > As I recall (it's been a while), the VT100 had a backplane that let A > you add options, the VT102 had no backplane.  I don't know what E > options they had.  I think a DECmate I was really just a VT100 with A > a PDP-8 board but, I don't know if you could buy just the PDP-8  > board.  I Decmate I aka VT-278. Has 3 dual connector slots in the electronics area. ' They have VERY flacky memory modules :(   ; You would nedd two boards at least of the 3 in the set AIR.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 07:37:51 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) % Subject: Re: enhancements to VMS MAIL 3 Message-ID: <fibv2fhAsePg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   J In article <coibei$ma3$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:s > In article <YW4ma0IYSNcF@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: L >>In article <cofn5i$pll$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: >>> > >>> 2) Folders as sub-directories (and folders within folders)R >>>    The advantages of an indexed mail.mai file are to some extent lost when allO >>>    the messages for all the folders are stored in the same mail directory.   >>C >>   I have several folders across several disks now.  Is there are A >>   restriction that they can't be subdirectories of each other?  >>P > As far as I am aware you can't create folders in a mail.mai file in such a wayQ > as to make the messages not all be stored in the same directory as the mail.mai  > file.   F    I see.  You want somethink like links from one directory to anotherF    so the whole folder structure is hierarchical.  I was thrown off byH    your request for subdirectories, I don't think the feature would need*    to be dependent on directory structure.  Q > What you can do is create other mail files (equivalents of the indexed mail.mai M > file ) in other directories and put folders in them. I find that extremely   > messy to work with.   F    This is something that DECwindows interface is actually good at.  IE    find it painfull to use the command line interface across multiple @    folders.  The DECwindows interface makes the whole thing look    hierachical.    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:42:37 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)% Subject: Re: enhancements to VMS MAIL $ Message-ID: <coks9s$a60$1@online.de>  0 In article <41ACF2FD.F9CA0201@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik3 =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:    ! > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  > > N > > >This would be a method by which we would automatically recognize customer* > > >requests for service and other needs. > > >  > > > > > This sounds like something which Deliver could do for you. > >  > ? > One nice feature with DELIVER in such a case, is that you can E > set up "service-mail-users", such as info@... order@... support@... ? > and so on. Just by MAIL SET FORW/USER=INFO REAL_USER (from an  > prived account).  + This functionality is standard in VMS MAIL.       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 19:05:18 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> % Subject: Re: enhancements to VMS MAIL ' Message-ID: <41AE07DE.C804CEB3@aaa.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > 2 > In article <41ACF2FD.F9CA0201@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik4 > =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: > # > > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  > > > P > > > >This would be a method by which we would automatically recognize customer, > > > >requests for service and other needs. > > > >  > > > @ > > > This sounds like something which Deliver could do for you. > > >  > > A > > One nice feature with DELIVER in such a case, is that you can G > > set up "service-mail-users", such as info@... order@... support@... A > > and so on. Just by MAIL SET FORW/USER=INFO REAL_USER (from an  > > prived account). > - > This functionality is standard in VMS MAIL.e >   ' Yes, the forwarding as such, of course._9 What I ment was that you can use this feature of VMS mailS2 in DELIVER to gather all (automated) processing of9 mails under one user/account on your server. Or, in otherR4 words, you can use DELIVER to automate mail handling. for multiple "users" while keeping the DELIVER4 configuration in one place (the MAIL.DELIVERY file).   Regards,  	 Jan-Erik.E   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:46:56 +0100s2 From: Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de>! Subject: Re: FTP behavior change?g) Message-ID: <cok3u2$efd7@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>R   Steve Reiner wrote:ep > sreiner1957@yahoo.com (Steve Reiner) wrote in message news:<edca5655.0411300550.258891f@posting.google.com>... > ` >>JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message > try the command FTP> SET PASSIVE ON >>N >>>This will have the VMS host initiate the data connection to the remote unix' >>>which will then send the data on it.  >>>g >>>cM >>>Also, you might try to telnet from the Unix host to the VMS machine with a Q >>>/port=54291 to see what happens. Could be blocked by a firewall or some config / >>>on the VMS machine at the tcpip stack level.P >> >>Thanks for the suggestions.  >>= >>I tried the "SET PASSIVE ON", but had the following result:M >>
 >>CM2> FTP >>FTP> SET PASSIVE ON- >>Passive is ON. >>FTP> CONNECT LG9250-
 >>220 mcsftp>- >>Connected to LG9250. 4 >>Name (LG9250:sreiner): SFR >>230 logged on. >>FTP> SHO PASSIVE >>Passive is ON.
 >>FTP> pwd >>257 "^BSL" >>FTP> get LDE >>500 what?n >>FTP> PASSIVE OFF >>Passive is OFF.f >>FTP> get LDE- >>200 your data PORT will be 10.40.44.2 54471a) >>150 Opening ASCII mode data connection.oE >>%TCPIP-E-FTP_DATACONF, cannot establish data connection with remotey >>host6 >>-SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejected >>451 write error= 32i >>F >>Also, I am able to TELNET from the Modcomp (Unix-like) system to theG >>VMS system, but I do not know how to change the telnet port it uses. a" >>TELNET works in both directions. >  > D >>I neglected to mention that an FTP "put" from VMS to Modcomp works6 >>just fine.  It seems only that the "get" has issues. >  > : > Just to followup (and hopefully complete this thread)... > ? > I put in a call to HP support and they suggested defining theo > following logicals --y > ) >   "TCPIP$FTP_ALLOW_ADDR_REDIRECT" = "1"p) >   "TCPIP$FTP_ALLOW_PORT_REDIRECT" = "1"e > D > After these logical assignments were made, the "get" operation was
 > successful. F > I've asked support to send me a reference on what the above logicalsB > do, but I haven't seen it yet.   I dug around quite a bit beforeD > calling them, but didn't find anything that would've led me there. >   L Table 16-1 in the TCPIP Service Management Handbook explains these logicals:  G   TCPIP$FTP_ALLOW_ADDR_REDIRECT  	 Allows active-mode connections from iH an IP address other than the server's. By default, such connections are C not allowed, thereby preventing unauthorized data connections from i unknown servers.  D TCPIP$FTP_ALLOW_PORT_REDIRECT 	Allows passive-mode connections from H ports other than port 20. By default, such connections are not allowed, > preventing unauthorized data connections from unknown servers.   > FTP> connect lg9250i
 > 220 mcsftp>h > Connected to LG9250. [ > Name (LG9250:sreiner): SFR > 230 logged on. > FTP> sho passive( > Passive is AUTO (IPv4: OFF, IPv6: ON).
 > FTP> pwd > 257 "^BSL" > FTP> get lde- > 200 your data PORT will be 10.40.44.2 54552a) > 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection.C > 226 end of data.2 > local: L2DISK:[USERS.SREINER]LDE.;2  remote: lde= > 5129 bytes received in 00:00:00.14 seconds (33.62 Kbytes/s)0   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:46:24 +0800j From: prep@prep.synonet.coma! Subject: Re: FTP behavior change?s- Message-ID: <87wtw2e1of.fsf@prep.synonet.com>w  , sreiner1957@yahoo.com (Steve Reiner) writes:   ...r  F > Also, I am able to TELNET from the Modcomp (Unix-like) system to theF > VMS system, but I do not know how to change the telnet port it uses." > TELNET works in both directions.  D > I neglected to mention that an FTP "put" from VMS to Modcomp works6 > just fine.  It seems only that the "get" has issues.  ? Does the Modcomp have PASSIVE mode ftp or is it cut down to the  minimium for PLC use?,   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.n@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 07:44:17 -0600a; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)l* Subject: Re: FTP Files and version numbers3 Message-ID: <xnlkN3oyobQ4@eisner.encompasserve.org>x  S In article <coile6$b9a@library1.airnews.net>, "Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net> writes:eL > Does anyone have any wisdom on controlling ftp log file version numbers onI > TCPWARE or TCPIP-HP ..? Getting to 32767 can take no time at all if thef& > connections are coming in quickly...  H    We had the same problem with DECnet 3.x on VMS.  FAL required opening@    a log file and one of our users reached 32767, so FAL stopped    working.t  D    This as fixed in a later release of DECnet, FAL would run anyhow.  F    My fix was to peridocically purge the FAL logs to 5 versions, then #    rename ;-4 to ;1, ;-3 to ;2, ...'  C    You need to find some time when the connections aren't active soeC    that rename ;0 to ;5 doesn't fail.  I was lucky, it took my usertH    months to reach 32767 and we reconfigured the system a couple times a;    week (requiring reboots), so I just did it in systartup.8   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 09:13:11 -0600R4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)* Subject: Re: FTP Files and version numbers3 Message-ID: <$1wA4hWAN1T8@eisner.encompasserve.org>R  i In article <coipeh$bgp$1@grandcanyon.binc.net>, hamilton@Encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:cU > In article <coile6$b9a@library1.airnews.net>, "Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net> writes:aM > !Does anyone have any wisdom on controlling ftp log file version numbers ontJ > !TCPWARE or TCPIP-HP ..? Getting to 32767 can take no time at all if the' > !connections are coming in quickly...e > I > I wrote a short command procedure once to purge the log files down to atJ > reasonable number, and then rename them from ;1 upwards.  Would this do?  F Here's a crude but short procedure to resequence log files. The doubleJ rename is necessary to preserve version number order, effectively rippling) everything down from where it was to 1:n.m   $ purge /keep=10 file.logo $ rename file.log.* file.gol.e $ rename file.gol.* file.log.i  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdfeL     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I         We must have faith in our democratic system and our Constitution,pK         and in our ability to protect at the same time both the freedom ando'         the security of all Americans. k   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:02:31 -0500, From: "Richard Whalen" <WhalenR@process.com> Subject: Re: Good sftp server?+ Message-ID: <cokitq$peb$1@news.process.com>e  H The original SFTP draft specification only specified binary file access.K (The protocol is actually a file access protocol, which is more than a file  transfer protocol.)t  G The SFTP Server provided by Process Software with MultiNet, TCPware and J SSH for OpenVMS is capable of doing text transfers.  It follows draft 4 of thetJ specification, which includes the ability to transfer a file in text mode.
 UnfortunatelyeI there are very few other implementations of this version of the protocol.   H When interacting with a client that implements an earlier version of the protocolJ the SFTP server will provide automatic conversion from VMS text file typesI to stream-lf format so that the file will be usable on the remote system.a	 InitiallyoL this functionality had to be enabled by setting a logical, but it is now the defaultv@ behavior and the logical can be used to disable it.  Though this
 functionality L is outside of the specification, Process Software felt that it was necessary toK include it in order to provide our customers with the functionality that weuK believed that they wanted.  Files that are transferred to VMS with our SFTP L server are stored as binary files unless the transfer specifies that this is a  text transfer.  H I have spent a good amount of time reviewing the SFTP specifications andK lobbying for a text transfer mode in the SFTP protocol.  It took a while touH convince some of the others of the need.  Some felt that the first draft thatF included text transfer mode had some holes in it that prevented a goodH implementation, so most implementations have not adopted it yet.  ThoughE Process Software purchased the bulk of the code that composes SSH and F SFTP, we have added functionality where we have felt necessary to meetG our customers' needs; the implementation of version 4 of the SFTP draft $ specification is one of these areas.  H The SFTP server does handle logical names, but you can not include colonJ on them unless you are using our SFTP client - all file specifications areF Unix like as specified in the drafts.  When our SFTP client and serverI are working together they allow the user to specify files in VMS formats; D the specifications are then translated to Unix format for the actual operations. G You did not give an example, so I can not say exactly what your problem  was with logical names.e  F When a user is using Process Software's SFTP client and server on bothJ ends file transfers will also include the VMS file characteristics so that theaD file can be used on the remote system in the same manner that it was used on the original system.  E Please contact Process Software customer support to get your specifico problems addressed.?       ---------------------------s Richard Whalen Process Software   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 07:56:18 -0600E; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)l Subject: Re: Good sftp server?3 Message-ID: <M66zLKysAwvI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <rowen-8B9E0E.12435630112004@gnus01.u.washington.edu>, "Russell E. Owen" <rowen@cesmail.net> writes:-C > I'm wondering if anyone can recommend a good sftp server for VMS?a > J > We're using MULTINET v4.4 for networking*, and are basically happy with E > it except for the sftp server, which I've found basically unusable.n > I > The main problem is that I can't seem to use it to transfer text files UI > to/from unix boxes.  I fear this may be an intrinsic limitation of the cJ > sftp protocol since I can't seem to find an ascii/binary mode switch in G > sftp client help. But I hope there is some workaround, e.g. a better oB > server that pretends to be a unix server and does the necessary  > end-of-line translation.  I    I do this all the time with Multinet 4.4 and stupid sftp clients that iN    don't know for ASCII vs. binary (the early sftp design was faulty on this).  C    Generally it automagically works, as long as I don't use the VMSeG    client with /ascii or /binary switches which seem to cause the wrong 2    thing to happen (there may be an ECO for this).  F    I did have to alter my old version of VMSTAR to create output filesD    in STMLF, and handle STM and STMLF input files differently.  That0    seems to have no affect on other uses of tar.  E    Where I do have a problem is scp clients that don't report failurenF    when I mistype the target name of a put type operation.  This seems<    to be a common problem with UNIX and Windows scp clients.  D    I also have a problem with GUI sftp clients that can't figure outH    how to talk to VMS.  I assume this is the same old issue as LIST vs.     NLST in GUI ftp clients.   H    I suggest you contact Process with some real specific details on your    problem.-   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 09:36:26 -0600g4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)7 Subject: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too?o3 Message-ID: <ssUDxn0RqeWN@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  G I've got a bunch of old DCL scripts that include a command that doesn't'J exist on my current systems. In the past I've used the trick of defining a symbol for that command    $ delete :== "!"  I to comment all of those lines out. But this particular command had rathersF long syntax, and usually has continuation lines. Any suggestions for aH similar trick to use that will make DCL ignore the continuation liens as well?a    1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdfdL     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I         We must have faith in our democratic system and our Constitution, K         and in our ability to protect at the same time both the freedom andp'         the security of all Americans. I   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:46:14 GMTt% From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com>s; Subject: Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too?RD Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412010945090.4149@localhost.localdomain>  % On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Bob Kaplow wrote:i  I > I've got a bunch of old DCL scripts that include a command that doesn'thL > exist on my current systems. In the past I've used the trick of defining a > symbol for that commandf >e > $ delete :== "!" >mK > to comment all of those lines out. But this particular command had rather H > long syntax, and usually has continuation lines. Any suggestions for aJ > similar trick to use that will make DCL ignore the continuation liens as > well?e  	 How aboutr  $    $ delete :== copy sys$input nla0:   ?e     -- a  B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX)a2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:50:56 GMTn  From: Rob Brown <brown@gmcl.com>; Subject: Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too?@D Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412010949070.4149@localhost.localdomain>  $ On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Rob Brown wrote:   > How about  >e$ >  $ delete :== copy sys$input nla0: >e > ?h   Or maybe      $ delete :== deck/dollars=$     -- e  / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.com A G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free!g6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX)mB                                   http://gmcl.com/people/brown.txt   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:02:07 +0000 (UTC)- From: lewis@SPYDER.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)6; Subject: Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too?s. Message-ID: <coktee$k1j$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) writes in article <ssUDxn0RqeWN@eisner.encompasserve.org> dated 1 Dec 2004 09:36:26 -0600:sH >I've got a bunch of old DCL scripts that include a command that doesn'tK >exist on my current systems. In the past I've used the trick of defining ac >symbol for that command   >  >$ delete :== "!"r >tJ >to comment all of those lines out. But this particular command had ratherG >long syntax, and usually has continuation lines. Any suggestions for aiI >similar trick to use that will make DCL ignore the continuation liens asl >well?  : You could write a script that combined continuation lines.  G Or instead of the comment, you could set the symbol to run a relativelyc' innocuous image as a foreign command.  d  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:01:56 GMTe+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie)t2 Subject: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX4 Message-ID: <Ewhrd.64359$g21.61196@fe1.texas.rr.com>  , This paragraph is from the attached article:  G   "In other news, we hear that VMS development will soon suffer a spatenC    of outsourcing at HP, with several staffers ceding their jobs to 2    people working outside the corporate umbrella."    ,    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19973,    HP expected to drop Trucluster from HP-UX  ,   "HP expected to drop Trucluster from HP-UX    Top man flees to EMCs  2    By Eva Glass: Wednesday 01 December 2004, 07:54  B    SOURCES CLAIMED that Hewlett Packard will shortly announce thatI    TruCluster technology is now very unlikely to be incorporated into thet    HP-UX OS.  D    If the reports are correct, HP will have some explaining to do toG    customers it gave assurances to when it first punted the plans aftern    it bought Compaq.  G    The same sources suggest that a team of developers at Nashua Castle,	G    believed to consist of 200 people, may find themselves without a jobl    as a result of the decision.c  G    In other news, we hear that VMS development will soon suffer a spate/C    of outsourcing at HP, with several staffers ceding their jobs toh1    people working outside the corporate umbrella.   I    And according to our moles, top HP guy Kent Ferson, who worked for the :    Unix systems unit, now appears to have a different job.      With EMC. "e     --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailo   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 18:19:08 GMTh$ From: Lee Witten <nospam@nospam.com>6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX/ Message-ID: <Xns95B2864F5FE1Cnn28@199.125.85.9>e   Sad to see.s  ' Best wishes to all negatively impacted.p   --lw--   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:44:51 +0100- From: "Volker Englisch" <englisch.ahr@gmx.de>> Subject: News Server0 Message-ID: <cokotl.i0.1@seniorenheim-reutin.de>   Hi,   H is there any (free) newsserver software that runs on VMS, like "innd" on unices?r   Volker   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:54:58 +0000h- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>e Subject: Re: News Server, Message-ID: <3164e2F36q5kbU1@individual.net>   Volker Englisch wrote: >eJ > is there any (free) newsserver software that runs on VMS, like "innd" on	 > unices?r  < Look for ANU News (from the Australian National University).   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 00:42:18 -0800 - From: v_englisch@yahoo.de (Volker N Englisch) & Subject: Re: UUCP for OpenVMS on Alpha= Message-ID: <f79686e9.0412010042.27920b0b@posting.google.com>    David J Dachtera wrote:e	 >> [snip] ) >> Hmm, uucp really seems to be dying :-(o > E > Out of curiosity, what do you need from UUCP that is unique to thate > method/protocol?  D No need to do TCP/IP outside the local area, so not being vulnerable in any conventional way.   Volker   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:13:43 GMTS6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>' Subject: VMS database article on OSNews > Message-ID: <rkkrd.24005$Mu3.1400013@twister.southeast.rr.com>  K I posted the VMS database story on OSNews.  It's gotten a decent amount of IK positive commentary.  Get in there and leave additional positive comments. BM I don't need to tell you OSNews is primarily visited by Linux/Windows folks, e once again, educate them.i  . http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=9027     Kenh   OpenVMS.orgt% _____________________________________  Kenneth R. Farmer <>< % SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:21:09 -0500-2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> Subject: VMS savesetsg. Message-ID: <41ADB735.23683.7FFF404@localhost>  C I'm looking for the installation savesets for VAX VMS 7.1.  Anyone n have them handy?  B And if you have 4.7, 5.1, 5.2, or 5.3, I'd love to have them, too.
 --Stan Quaylen Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USAt0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:16:21 +0800e From: prep@prep.synonet.comr Subject: Re: VT1xx flavors- Message-ID: <87sm6qdmei.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   6 kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) writes:  A > I'm still digging through VT-100 emulators for my Palm. Found an9 > bunch I didn't like. If any one has a recommendation...d  C Kermit. Same as for the last 20 years... OK, you may get to get theo, fame and glory of porting it to the Palm. :)     -- h< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.n@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.667 ************************