1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 02 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 668       Contents:  Re: 90TL Terminal Server Problem Re: CLUSTER_SIZE ramification  Re: CLUSTER_SIZE ramification  Re: CLUSTER_SIZE ramification  Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE% Re: DEC XVM/RSX documentation needed!  Re: enhancements to VMS MAIL2 Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too?2 Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too?2 Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too?2 Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too?2 Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too?- Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX - Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX - Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX 9 Match configured port number with TCPIP service config db = Re: Match configured port number with TCPIP service config db = Re: Match configured port number with TCPIP service config db = Re: Match configured port number with TCPIP service config db  Re: News Server  Re: News Server  Re: News Server  Re: News Server 3 Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 2007 8 Re: this newsgroup heavily trolled by gay Darrell Larose- Re: Why does "lead" appear in OSU access log? < Wish list: Linux/simh/VMS distribution for CF 4GB hard drive [TCPIP V5.4] ECO 4 is out  Re: ~ The J F  M e z e i FAQ ~  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:02:18 -0500 / From: David Reed <junkman24@nospam.comcast.net> ) Subject: Re: 90TL Terminal Server Problem 0 Message-ID: <W7mdnSlDm9sF9DPcRVn-vQ@comcast.com>   Alan Adams wrote: 1 > In message <_NqdnTtKANqMAQPcRVn-oA@comcast.com> < >           David Reed <junkman24@nospam.comcast.net> wrote: >  >  >>David Reed wrote:  >>L >>>I have about 10 90tl terminal servers that I've upgraded to 4 meg of ram F >>>and currently use with TCP-IP to connect to various serial devices  >>>(printers etc..).H >>>They have static IP addresses and work really well. However every 60 J >>>days exactly they quit responding. I go power them off and they reboot + >>>and work fine again for another 60 days. B >>>I am puzzled! There are no lease timers on static IP addresses.C >>>The lights on the front look "normal" The ones with active port  N >>>connections still have the port led's lit but can't ping them or anything..  >>>What am I overlooking here ?? >>>  >>$ >>Nobody have any ideas about this ? >> >  > L > I keep thinking about numeric overflow. I thought I was close - 0xffffffffK > milliseconds is just over 49.7 days, but you said 60 exactly, so it isn't  > that simple. > K > I can only suggest watching the ethernet counters, and see if any of them 5 > approach significant numbers in just under 60 days.  > @ > Then track down what on the network is occurring at that rate. > I > Can you make a serial conection to port 1 after the problem occurs? (Or J > ideally make it before, but use it after.) If so, do you get a response? > L > If you reboot one of them after, say 30 days, does it run independently toG > its own 60 day limit, or does it stop at the same time as the others? H > (Dunno what would cause this, but it might be a pointer to something.) >  Thanks for the response!  C Good questions.. Do they all fail at the same time due to a common  I problem or because I rebooted them at the same time and a certain amount  C of time has passed? I dunno but it gives me something to try! I'll  C reboot one at 30 days and watch to see if it fails with the others. F Also, I didn't try connecting a terminal to port one but will do that  next time it happens.   I When I come up with a definitive answer to those questions I'll post the   results. ..........David    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:39:49 +0000 (UTC)- From: lewis@SPYDER.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) & Subject: Re: CLUSTER_SIZE ramification. Message-ID: <col6m5$nqj$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes in article <u1vrq01gr6q4mkpo9nfuth098h1dlisueh@4ax.com> dated Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:38:42 +0000: J >On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:27:23 +0000 (UTC), lewis@SPYDER.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. >Lewis) wrote: >  >>John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes in article <5f0qq0h1c3t4i97bncl9ehrlrkevicdapj@4ax.com> dated Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:38:22 +0000:  >>> B >>>Do you really have up to 2.5 million files on your 36Gb drive ?   Thanks for all your help, John.   L Here's another data point, from a different drive.  Also 36GB with a clusterI size of 1.  INDEXF has an allocation size which exactly matches the other + disk, but a much more reasonable used size.   J If anybody can explain how this happened, I'm listening.  Also, is it safe! to do a SET FILE/TRUNC on INDEXF?   ' $ dir/size=all $5$DKA500:[000000]indexf    Directory $5$DKA500:[000000]  $ INDEXF.SYS;1           15100/2510849  & Total of 1 file, 15100/2510849 blocks. $ sho dev/full $5$DKA500:   L Disk $5$DKA500: (LUMINA), device type COMPAQ BA03611C9B, is online, mounted,K     file-oriented device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is      enabled.  O     Error count                    0    Operations completed               4092 O     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM] O     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W O     Reference count                1    Default buffer size                 512 O     Total blocks            71132000    Sectors per track                   254 O     Total cylinders            14003    Tracks per cylinder                  20 P     Host name               "LUMINA"    Host type, avail COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20 E 666 MHz, yes$     Allocation class               5  O     Volume label             "DATA4"    Relative volume number                0 O     Cluster size                   1    Transaction count                     1 O     Free blocks              2710889    Maximum files allowed          16711679 O     Extend quantity                5    Mount count                           5 O     Mount status              System    Cache name             "_DSA0:XQPCACHE" O     Extent cache size             64    Maximum blocks in extent cache   271088 O     File ID cache size            64    Blocks in extent cache                0 O     Quota cache size               0    Maximum buffers in FCP cache       2594 O     Volume owner UIC        [SYSTEM]    Vol Prot    S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCD   J   Volume Status:  ODS-2, subject to mount verification, write-back caching       enabled.9   Volume is also mounted on LUMINA, OMEGA, PROBE, BOXTER.   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 22:23:29 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> & Subject: Re: CLUSTER_SIZE ramification8 Message-ID: <algsq0d3ustvsdq2ugg5d63oougmujbvcr@4ax.com>  I On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:39:49 +0000 (UTC), lewis@SPYDER.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. 
 Lewis) wrote:   M >Here's another data point, from a different drive.  Also 36GB with a cluster J >size of 1.  INDEXF has an allocation size which exactly matches the other, >disk, but a much more reasonable used size.  L Curious indeed.  I am sure that /HEADERS will set the initial allocation (asJ documented), and as I (nearly) always remember to use this, it is probableL that I have never noticed the extend behaviour on a disk with a much smallerL initial allocation and not such a large maximum number of files that resultsJ from your choice of a very small cluster factor.  Then again, cluster sizeC pre 7.x (I forget which) defaults to no more than roughly 1 million I clusters, thus half a million files, and it is possible that an algorithm F which sets some early extend out to maybe 10% of the max would go more# unnoticed (it's only 50000 blocks).   K >If anybody can explain how this happened, I'm listening.  Also, is it safe " >to do a SET FILE/TRUNC on INDEXF?  H It may or may not work - INDEXF.SYS being a special file and permanentlyD open while a disk is mounted - but one would hope that if it damaged- anything, someone might have noticed by now !    --  0 Don't play stupid with me...  I'm better at it!    Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 16:24:44 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)& Subject: Re: CLUSTER_SIZE ramification= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0412011624.2a39b2c3@posting.google.com>   c lewis@SPYDER.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) wrote in message news:<col6m5$nqj$1@newslocal.mitre.org>...  > John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes in article <u1vrq01gr6q4mkpo9nfuth098h1dlisueh@4ax.com> dated Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:38:42 +0000: L > >On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:27:23 +0000 (UTC), lewis@SPYDER.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. > >Lewis) wrote: > >  > >>John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes in article <5f0qq0h1c3t4i97bncl9ehrlrkevicdapj@4ax.com> dated Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:38:22 +0000:  > >>> D > >>>Do you really have up to 2.5 million files on your 36Gb drive ? > ! > Thanks for all your help, John.  > N > Here's another data point, from a different drive.  Also 36GB with a clusterK > size of 1.  INDEXF has an allocation size which exactly matches the other - > disk, but a much more reasonable used size.  > ; > If anybody can explain how this happened, I'm listening.       Explanation at bottom.     > Also, is it safe# > to do a SET FILE/TRUNC on INDEXF?     E I never tried it, but I think it would be safe. HOWEVER, I think that B as soon as you need another extension of INDEXF.SYS you will get aA simiarly big INDEXF.SYS again! See the explanation at the bottom.     ) > $ dir/size=all $5$DKA500:[000000]indexf  >  > Directory $5$DKA500:[000000] > & > INDEXF.SYS;1           15100/2510849 > ( > Total of 1 file, 15100/2510849 blocks. > $ sho dev/full $5$DKA500:  > N > Disk $5$DKA500: (LUMINA), device type COMPAQ BA03611C9B, is online, mounted,M >     file-oriented device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is  >     enabled. > Q >     Error count                    0    Operations completed               4092 Q >     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM] Q >     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W Q >     Reference count                1    Default buffer size                 512 Q >     Total blocks            71132000    Sectors per track                   254 Q >     Total cylinders            14003    Tracks per cylinder                  20 R >     Host name               "LUMINA"    Host type, avail COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20 > E 666 MHz, yes& >     Allocation class               5 > Q >     Volume label             "DATA4"    Relative volume number                0 Q >     Cluster size                   1    Transaction count                     1 Q >     Free blocks              2710889    Maximum files allowed          16711679    [...]     = I believe this is due to the "new" (well, new as of VMS v6.0) # extension algorithm for INDEXF.SYS.   
 I quote from:   N http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/pub/patches/vms/vax/v6.0/vaxf11x03_070.README  A  o  Disk space is inefficiently used due to the default extension ?      size of INDEXF.SYS.  The algorithm now tries to extend the A      file by 15% of MAX_FILES - HEADERS_USED.  It does this until @      the index file has grown to 90% of MAX_FILES.  From then on;      the file is extended in increments of 1% of MAX_FILES.   /      This problem is fixed in OpenVMS VAX V6.0.   B      CSC NOTE:  This problem may also occur on OpenVMS Alpha V6.1.A                 The AXPF11X02_061 ECO kit will fix the problem on #                 OpenVMS Alpha V6.1.    So,   # Maximum files from above = 16711679   #                times .15 = 2506751.   "  Size of your indexf.sys = 2510849  A which is close enough. I neglected to subtract the number of used E headers. Also, the total size of INDEXF.SYS would be the initial size 7 plus the expansion. So I think this is the explanation.     ' Three ways to avoid this in the future:   F 1.) Give a value for the /MAXIMUM_FILES qualifier. But make sure it isC not too low. You cannot have more file headers on the disk than you ? specify for this qualifier without re-INIT-ing the disk (unless C there's some tool I am unaware of that can acutally do this, and if E there were such a tool, I'd expect you'd need exclusive access to the  disk).  @ 2.) Just overestimate the maximum number of files (actually fileA headers) you'll ever have on the disk and use this number for the F /HEADERS qualifier. Be generous in your overestimate. Having more file1 headers than this number will cause an expansion.   = 3.) Use a larger cluster size. Do you really need it to be 1?   E BTW, this is a much better problem to have than the dreaded HEADERFUL D error which is what happens when the file header for INDEXF.SYS runs- out of room due to too many small extensions!    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 12:54:23 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) % Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE 3 Message-ID: <EK9hBdVHueDU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <J0ctmyGncekB@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:s > In article <deJs572TuTGs@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: J >> In article <41AD006E.28E4BE58@doe.org>, John Doe <jdoe@doe.org> writes:" >>> PURGE/RESET/OVERRIDE=INTERLOCK >>> 9 >>> Will do the above even to currently opened log files  >>  D >>    Do you mean purge the open files, or just renumber them?  IIRC2 >>    /renumber would be more mnemonic than /reset >>  K >>    I wouldn't want to be able to purge open files, what's the app to do?  > M > Why would the app care?  The fact that the file is open will prevent actual C > deletion and all you end up with is the marked-for-delete bit set B > and the directory entry removed from the directory.  Pretty muchA > exactly what you would want to happen in the case of log files.   B An application might try to open another channel to the same file.  C Of course a correctly written application will open by FID to guard  against this scenario.  G > The biggest issue I see is that it makes it tough to get a purged log C > file printed.  You can spool it, but it won't survive until print  > time.   F I thought the queue manager was sufficiently well-written to use FIDs.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 DEC 2004 18:57:53 GMT + From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> % Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE 1 Message-ID: <1DEC04.18575321@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>   S In a previous article, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: I > In article <41AD006E.28E4BE58@doe.org>, John Doe <jdoe@doe.org> writes: " > > This is intended to Guy Peleg. > >  > > PURGE/RESET  > > R > > Purges files down to the /KEEP or down to one, and then renames the files such( > > that the oldest file's version is 1. > > " > > PURGE/RESET/OVERRIDE=INTERLOCK > > 9 > > Will do the above even to currently opened log files  >   C >    Do you mean purge the open files, or just renumber them?  IIRC 1 >    /renumber would be more mnemonic than /reset   $ I'd prefer /renumber to /reset also.  J >    I wouldn't want to be able to purge open files, what's the app to do?  I In particular - if for some reason the app needed to close and reopen the < file it'd be really difficult to reopen the correct version.  ( My suggestion for additions to PURGE are       PURGE/TOTAL  and PURGE/GRAND_TOTAL   E which would display only the total number of files purged (as per the 1 DIRECTORY command).  An alternate syntax would be   %     PURGE/LOG[=ALL|TOTAL|GRAND_TOTAL]   4 with "ALL" being the current (and default) behavior.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 11:10:59 -0800 & From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE = Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0412011110.78346115@posting.google.com>   Y briggs@encompasserve.org wrote in message news:<J0ctmyGncekB@eisner.encompasserve.org>...    > ; > I do like the "/RENUMBER" qualifier better than "/RESET".  >  > 	John Briggs   /REVERSION, please.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:52:12 -0500* From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE , Message-ID: <316ll8F37lqisU1@individual.net>  Z "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message news:41AE074E.50007@tsoft-inc.com... : John Laird wrote:  : Q : I think what is intended is if you have a file with versions 11-20, they should O : be renamed to versions 1-10, as an example.  This is really not a function of O : PURGE, as you state below.  A more appropriate design would be a new function N : that re-sets version numbers.  However, being able to PURGE and RESET in one< : operation (from the user's perspective) seems appropriate. :   _ I have related these two functions (purge and reset version numbers) at out site for years. The a major problem is log file version numbers reach the max number after a few years of running. Then d production jobs fail when the log file can't be created. Our jobs were usually setup to purge/keep=nc on the log files at the end of the procedure. I wrote a procedure that you pass the number of files a to keep, it finds the log file from the queue manager and executes the purge/keep. If the version I number is approaching the limit the files are renamed to versions 1 to n.    Marty    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:06:43 -0500* From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE , Message-ID: <316mgeF381c8jU1@individual.net>  d "Dave Greenwood" <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote in message news:1DEC04.18575321@feda01.fed.ornl.gov... : * : My suggestion for additions to PURGE are :  :     PURGE/TOTAL  : and PURGE/GRAND_TOTAL  : G : which would display only the total number of files purged (as per the  : DIRECTORY command).   [ This would be great (also for DELETE). The only way to get the information now is to do the - directory command before the PURGE or DELETE.    Marty    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 14:51:34 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE 3 Message-ID: <N40X3iHb7CRu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <EK9hBdVHueDU@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: V > In article <J0ctmyGncekB@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:H >> The biggest issue I see is that it makes it tough to get a purged logD >> file printed.  You can spool it, but it won't survive until print >> time. > H > I thought the queue manager was sufficiently well-written to use FIDs.  E Sure is.  But that doesn't help if the file is deleted in between the D time it is queued and the time the attempt to print it is made.  TheC file ID will point to a file header that is either deleted or whose D sequence number has been incremented, rendering the file ID invalid.  I Tested.  The file header gets recycled and the job is still in the queue.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:31:14 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com % Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE - Message-ID: <87brddep65.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   6 kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) writes:  F > $ PURGE /RESET /KEEP=n to keep n files and renumber them as versions" > 1:n.  Ditto for SINCE or BEFORE.  @ A variant of the form PURGE/RESET=DATE would be usefull I think.? Reversion them into date order, rather than keeping the current  version number order.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 14:57:24 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE 3 Message-ID: <HwyWMVkvkxCs@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <cc5619f2.0412011110.78346115@posting.google.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes:[ > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote in message news:<J0ctmyGncekB@eisner.encompasserve.org>...  >  >>  < >> I do like the "/RENUMBER" qualifier better than "/RESET". >>   >> 	John Briggs  >  > /REVERSION, please.   < But what if someone wanted to purge files in /REVERSE order?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:51:28 -0800  From: JBloggs@acme.com% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE 8 Message-ID: <hibsq05jfpoerip8m906bp1skien1npn1k@4ax.com>  ( On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:52:22 +0000 (UTC),C helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to 
 reply) wrote:   6 >In article <41AD81AE.F0B1F57E@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei( ><jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >  >> PURGE/NODELETE/LOG/KEEP=x >>  Q >> This would allow you to get a list of all files that have more than x versions J >>  on a disk without deleteling any. This would facilitate the finding ofN >> directories on a disk where there are many many versions of files (allowingZ >> system manager to then inquire h onwer of files if he really needs all those versions). >  >$! HIGH_VERSIONS.COM  >$!  >$! 8 >$! lists all files with a version number higher than P1   [...snip...]      For those folks able to use DFU,? probably worth pointing out that that DFU can search by version  numbers.   DFU      SEARCH       /VERSION_NUMBER         /VERSION_NUMBER=option        1        Use at least one of the following options:        .        o  /VERSION_NUMBER=MINUMUM=file_version       >        DFU selects files whose version number in the file name"        is at least 'file_version'.  .        o  /VERSION_NUMBER=MAXIMUM=file_version       >        DFU selects files whose version number in the file name!        is at most 'file_version'.   )        Both options can be combined, eg.: ;         /VERSION=(MIN=1000,MAX=10000) will select all files >        with a version_number between 1000 and 10000 inclusive.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 19:49:09 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0412011949.1f30517a@posting.google.com>   Y briggs@encompasserve.org wrote in message news:<HwyWMVkvkxCs@eisner.encompasserve.org>... h > In article <cc5619f2.0412011110.78346115@posting.google.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes:] > > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote in message news:<J0ctmyGncekB@eisner.encompasserve.org>...  > >  > >>  > > >> I do like the "/RENUMBER" qualifier better than "/RESET". > >>   > >> 	John Briggs  > >  > > /REVERSION, please.  > > > But what if someone wanted to purge files in /REVERSE order?     Well how about /RESEQUENCE ?   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 20:06:37 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)% Subject: Re: DCL suggestion for PURGE = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0412012006.73464494@posting.google.com>   m John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote in message news:<ed9rq0913h48cfapjv33tjrh5eadibmv36@4ax.com>... M > On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 03:33:40 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  > wrote: >   > >Another suggestion for purge: > >  > >PURGE/RESET/NODELETE  > > N > >This would allow you to go through a whole disk with one command and ensureM > >that you wouldn't actually delete any files, while resetting all log files  > >back to a base number of 1. >  [...]  > M > Some of your ideas seem rather orthogonal to PURGE as it currently stands - K > purge-and-rename is two operations that don't obviously go together.  For     F Well, there is BACKUP/DELETE . That's "save" and "destroy", all in theF same command. And this "purge/resequence" is a function that one wouldE like to be able to do with a single command. OTOH, one could set up a C log directory with version limits and have available something like A RENAME/RESEQUENE or RENAME/VERSIONS or RENAME/VERSION_NUMBERS, or  something along those lines.   [...]    N > To be honest, I would trade all this and many other possible enhancements to@ > have DEFINE/EXEC and ASSIGN/EXEC never ever ever ever create aM > supervisor-mode logical when I forget to invoke SYSNAM.  That has wasted so  > much time over the years...     C Agreed! And if it insists on creating a supervisor LNM, the command > ought to at least tell you that it ignored the /EXEC qualfier.  D BTW, I already asked for this enhancement in this forum. I'm glad toC see that I'm not the only one who feels this way about DEFINE/EXEC.    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:14:35 -0800 (PST) From: aek@spies.com (Al Kossow) . Subject: Re: DEC XVM/RSX documentation needed!$ Message-ID: <colmpb$602$1@spies.com>  < Documentation, or someone familar with generating an XVM/RSX: system is still needed to try to get the software running  in Bob Supnik's simulator.    < I did want to follow up though that the software itself has = been recovered from DECtapes, and extracted source files are   now available   > http://www.bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp15/dectapeImages/XVM_RSX/      / XVM/RSX		 30  DEC 75		S. REESE9 /                                               D. BREVIK  /						B. LACROUTE /						R. MCLEAN /						C. PROTEAU 9 /                                               H. KREJCI  /						B. DESIMONE! /          		         		D. VELTEN  /			         		M. HEBENSTREIT  /			       			S. ROOT  / 5 / NOTE: ASSEMBLING RSX.P1 160 WITH RSX.P2 161 DEFINES & /	VERSION 1A OF THE XVM/RSX EXECUTIVE. /    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:52:39 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk% Subject: Re: enhancements to VMS MAIL ) Message-ID: <col3tn$kfk$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   q In article <fibv2fhAsePg@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: K >In article <coibei$ma3$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: t >> In article <YW4ma0IYSNcF@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:M >>>In article <cofn5i$pll$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:  >>>>  ? >>>> 2) Folders as sub-directories (and folders within folders) S >>>>    The advantages of an indexed mail.mai file are to some extent lost when all P >>>>    the messages for all the folders are stored in the same mail directory.  >>> D >>>   I have several folders across several disks now.  Is there areB >>>   restriction that they can't be subdirectories of each other? >>> Q >> As far as I am aware you can't create folders in a mail.mai file in such a way R >> as to make the messages not all be stored in the same directory as the mail.mai >> file. > G >   I see.  You want somethink like links from one directory to another G >   so the whole folder structure is hierarchical.  I was thrown off by I >   your request for subdirectories, I don't think the feature would need + >   to be dependent on directory structure.  >    Not really.   J I want to be able to just have one mail.mai file rather than multiple mailF files but be able to have folders stored in different sub-directories.   Say I have folders   NEWMAIL  MAIL	 2003/MAIL 	 2003/NEWS 	 2002/MAIL 	 2002/NEWS     L Then this might be stored in   (assuming you have moved all your mail into a? MAIL sub-directory with the set mail_directory [.MAIL] command)      [.MAIL]  [.MAIL.2003] [.MAIL.2002]   etc    rather than as now    $ all messages having to be stored in    [.MAIL]   E I find the need to create different mail.mai equivalent files and use 4 set file directoryspec as a work around a real pain.  
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University      R >> What you can do is create other mail files (equivalents of the indexed mail.maiN >> file ) in other directories and put folders in them. I find that extremely  >> messy to work with. > G >   This is something that DECwindows interface is actually good at.  I F >   find it painfull to use the command line interface across multipleA >   folders.  The DECwindows interface makes the whole thing look  >   hierachical. >    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 12:29:03 -0800   From: "Barry" <dysert@gmail.com>; Subject: Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too? C Message-ID: <1101932943.037107.263160@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   G Assuming I know what problem you're trying to solve (and I think I do), D a quick TECO macro would fix you up.  If you like, send me a copy ofC one of the "problem" files; I'll mung it and send it back.  If it's B what you want, I'll gladly give you the macro (or give me all your: files and I'll run them all through - no extra charge ;-).   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 14:35:03 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow); Subject: Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too? 3 Message-ID: <xuyb0d0iHVga@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412010949070.4149@localhost.localdomain>, Rob Brown <brown@gmcl.com> writes: & > On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Rob Brown wrote:% >>  $ delete :== copy sys$input nla0:  > 
 > Or maybe >   >    $ delete :== deck/dollars=$  K Both of these still complained about the rest of the command from the first # line. But it looks like this works:   % $ delete :== "copy sys$input nla0: !"   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I         We must have faith in our democratic system and our Constitution, K         and in our ability to protect at the same time both the freedom and '         the security of all Americans.     ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:35:25 +0000 (UTC)- From: lewis@SPYDER.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) ; Subject: Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too? . Message-ID: <coldet$r7s$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) writes in article <xuyb0d0iHVga@eisner.encompasserve.org> dated 1 Dec 2004 14:35:03 -0600: L >Both of these still complained about the rest of the command from the first$ >line. But it looks like this works: > & >$ delete :== "copy sys$input nla0: !"  J Wouldn't this have the same problem as the original delete="!", in that it( would ignore the continuation character?  9 I stand by my suggestion of a do-nothing foreign command.   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:39:03 +0000 (UTC)- From: lewis@SPYDER.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) ; Subject: Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too? . Message-ID: <coldln$r7s$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   lewis@SPYDER.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) writes in article <coldet$r7s$1@newslocal.mitre.org> dated Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:35:25 +0000 (UTC): >kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) writes in article <xuyb0d0iHVga@eisner.encompasserve.org> dated 1 Dec 2004 14:35:03 -0600:M >>Both of these still complained about the rest of the command from the first % >>line. But it looks like this works:  >>' >>$ delete :== "copy sys$input nla0: !"  > K >Wouldn't this have the same problem as the original delete="!", in that it ) >would ignore the continuation character?   L Wait, I get it now.  Records not beginning with $ are treated as image data.% *thumps head for posting too quickly*   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:22:00 +0000 (UTC)? From: Graham Burley <burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org> ; Subject: Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too?X9 Message-ID: <41AE43B2.611FFAA4@encompasserve-or-this.org>    Bob Kaplow wrote:v > I > I've got a bunch of old DCL scripts that include a command that doesn't L > exist on my current systems. In the past I've used the trick of defining a > symbol for that commandn >  > $ delete :== "!" > K > to comment all of those lines out. But this particular command had rather H > long syntax, and usually has continuation lines. Any suggestions for aJ > similar trick to use that will make DCL ignore the continuation liens as > well?S     $ delete :== @nla0:    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:57:52 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX2 Message-ID: <coli9h$nqt$1@news4.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>  O That would be very odd, since I have been told that the clustering has already p, been incorporated in test versions of HP-UX.  M Some two months ago The Inquirer had a similar horror story about HP storage P( that turned out to be completely untrue.    
 leslie wrote:d. > This paragraph is from the attached article: > I >   "In other news, we hear that VMS development will soon suffer a spatedE >    of outsourcing at HP, with several staffers ceding their jobs to 4 >    people working outside the corporate umbrella." >  > . >    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19973. >    HP expected to drop Trucluster from HP-UX > . >   "HP expected to drop Trucluster from HP-UX >    Top man flees to EMC: > 4 >    By Eva Glass: Wednesday 01 December 2004, 07:54 > D >    SOURCES CLAIMED that Hewlett Packard will shortly announce thatK >    TruCluster technology is now very unlikely to be incorporated into the4 >    HP-UX OS. > F >    If the reports are correct, HP will have some explaining to do toI >    customers it gave assurances to when it first punted the plans aftern >    it bought Compaq. > I >    The same sources suggest that a team of developers at Nashua Castle,oI >    believed to consist of 200 people, may find themselves without a job ! >    as a result of the decision.u > I >    In other news, we hear that VMS development will soon suffer a spatesE >    of outsourcing at HP, with several staffers ceding their jobs tos3 >    people working outside the corporate umbrella.c > K >    And according to our moles, top HP guy Kent Ferson, who worked for thea< >    Unix systems unit, now appears to have a different job. >  >    With EMC. "d >  >  > --Jerry Leslie; >   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaile   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:01:42 -0500W- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>y6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX, Message-ID: <41AE6969.E67128F7@teksavvy.com>   Dirk Munk wrote:P > That would be very odd, since I have been told that the clustering has already. > been incorporated in test versions of HP-UX.  L Perhaps they have found major problems with applications. It is one thing toL have it in the OS, but it really has to work reliably when all sorts of apps are running.  N *IF* this is true, it certaintly wouldn't help kill rumours that HP will focus on Linux instead of HP-UX.  M The fact that HP attarcts so many rumours about its enterprise products is an,K indicatrion that HP's management are doing something wrong. Good managementt8 wouldn't result in such rumours consistently coming out.  D In terms of VMS outsourcing, it is no surprise. I was puzzled at whyN decwindows wasn't mentioned in the roadmap. Looking at some email header's I'd$ bet that EDS is now in charge of it.  N I have a feeling that HP might keep the actial operating system engineers, but$ outsource any layered or middleware.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 03:25:00 GMTi1 From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net> 6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX* Message-ID: <gWvrd.5958$Hk6.4687@trnddc05>  G >> In terms of VMS outsourcing, it is no surprise. I was puzzled at why D >> decwindows wasn't mentioned in the roadmap. Looking at some email header's I'd' >> bet that EDS is now in charge of it.a  J I'm ready to be corrected but my understanding was EDS has been supportingC (i.e., programming) DECWindows for some number of years.  Ditto fore Advanced Server.  J Other VMS layered products are done by Digital India.  I'm pretty sure DFO	 is one ofM: those.  I'm not sure if this counts as outsourcing or not.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:00:44 GMTp( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>B Subject: Match configured port number with TCPIP service config db- Message-ID: <w2srd.252073$9b.163386@edtnps84>n  D Just curious, but is the TCPIP Services for OpenvVMS "SHOW SERVICE" D command capable of displaying a non-default port for the particular G service.  Similarly, why does the "SHOW DEVICE/PORT" output not report o? the TCPIP service in use when a non-default port is being used?e   Thanks,E   AlderU> ============================================================== $ TCPIP SHOW VERSION  <    HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 24    on a AlphaServer 1000A 4/266 running OpenVMS V7.3   $ TCPIP SHOW SERVICE IMAPi  L Service             Port  Proto    Process          Address            State  < IMAP                 143  TCP      TCPIP$IMAP       0.0.0.0  Enabledo  0 $ TYPE SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$IMAP]TCPIP$IMAP.CONF ...  Server-Port:8143 ...r  $ $ TCPIP SHOW DEVICE_SOCKET/PORT=8143  >                              Port                       Remote< Device_socket  Type    Local  Remote  Service           Host  9    bg33        STREAM    8143       0                   *1  > ==============================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:08:49 -0500n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> F Subject: Re: Match configured port number with TCPIP service config db, Message-ID: <41AE6B14.F5D05148@teksavvy.com>   Alder wrote:& > $ TCPIP SHOW DEVICE_SOCKET/PORT=8143 > @ >                              Port                       Remote> > Device_socket  Type    Local  Remote  Service           Host > ; >    bg33        STREAM    8143       0                   *q     SHOW DEV/FULL bg33K gets you the process id, then SHOW PROC/CONT/ID=xxx shows which executable.y  J Also, NETSTAT gives you a list of all ports being listyened to (as well as current connections).c   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 02:56:39 GMTc( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>F Subject: Re: Match configured port number with TCPIP service config db- Message-ID: <Hvvrd.253657$9b.187444@edtnps84>o   JF Mezei wrote:: > Alder wrote: > & >>$ TCPIP SHOW DEVICE_SOCKET/PORT=8143 >>@ >>                             Port                       Remote> >>Device_socket  Type    Local  Remote  Service           Host >>; >>   bg33        STREAM    8143       0                   *  >  >  >  > SHOW DEV/FULL bg33M > gets you the process id, then SHOW PROC/CONT/ID=xxx shows which executable.o > L > Also, NETSTAT gives you a list of all ports being listyened to (as well as > current connections).q  F Thanks, JF, but do you know why TCPIP Services itself fails to report G the port in actual use, or why the "Service" entry above is left blank p" when a non-default port is in use?   Cheers,    Alder    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:56:13 -0500 % From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@teksavvy.com>sF Subject: Re: Match configured port number with TCPIP service config db, Message-ID: <41AEA053.5E296A87@teksavvy.com>   Alder wrote:G > Thanks, JF, but do you know why TCPIP Services itself fails to reportrH > the port in actual use, or why the "Service" entry above is left blank$ > when a non-default port is in use?  I The TCPIP> utility seems to be far more of a configuration utility than a M "live" reporting of what is going on. Many of its reporting commands actuallys# just spawn the unix-like utilities.i  N An application can bind to a port to listen to it without being defined in theK TCPIP utility. And that is why, in your example, the IMAP configuration can D specify an alternate port that the TCPIP utility doesn't know about.  L Where the TCPIP utility (5.3 and later) makes a difference is that if a callI comes in for a defined port, the TCPIP stack will automatically start thetN application, so if for some reason, the app had crashed, it will automaticallyN be restarted for you. But I am not sure if you can configure a service to have& multiple ports with the TCPIP utility.  J netstat seems to be the definitive utility to give you list of ports being listened to.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:25:51 +0100c0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> Subject: Re: News ServerB Message-ID: <41ae1ac0$0$29847$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Volker Englisch wrote: > Hi,1 > J > is there any (free) newsserver software that runs on VMS, like "innd" on	 > unices?D >  > Volker >   
 Hi Volker,  C here is my complete URL collection for this topic, some free, some < commercial.t    4 _OpenVMS News Readers and Servers_ (NNTP) - Forum SW    H Alternatives to INN - includes an interesting summary of NNTP SW for VMS. http://www.mibsoftware.com/userkt/inn/0053.htm  0 Software List - News Reader (NNTP based) for VMS8 http://ejo.univ-lyon1.fr/systems/vms/news/softwares.list    3 ANU-News - Documentation and Distribution Home Pageo http://www.ijs.si/anu-news/c  J ANU-News - Implementing ANU-NEWS on Process Software's TCPware for VAX/VMS< http://www.process.com/techsupport/tcpware/faqs/news001.html   ANU-News - funet Download 0 http://www.funet.fi/pub/vms/networking/anu-news/  % ANU-News - mail extraction software -d@ Yezerski Roper's software to interface with the ANU news package& http://www.yrl.co.uk/free/extmail.html  > Anu-news Newsgroup - www.news2mail.com: News.Software.Anu-news2 VMS Usenet software from Australian National Univ.4 http://www.news2mail.com/news/software/anu-news.html    6 DECThreads NNTP Server for OpenVMS - Ruslan R. Laishev) http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/nntp/i     DNews - NetWin Productse http://netwinsite.com/  $ DNews -- Usenet News Server Software http://netwinsite.com/dnews.htm    DNews - Download FilesA http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/netwinsite/dnews/download2.htmr   DNews - Manual Index) http://www.opus1.com/www/dnews/manual.htm    DNews - Planet Mirror 8 http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/netwinsite/dnews/vms/     Fast Newsreader (FNEWS) 1 http://www-ang.kfunigraz.ac.at/~binder/fnews.html   7 Fast Newsreader (FNEWS) - ANNOUNCING FNEWS 2.0 released G http://scout.wisc.edu/Projects/PastProjects/NH/95-03/95-03-27/0040.html   > Fast Newsreader (FNEWS) - DECUS Library (V00562) - DescriptionF http://www.decus.org/encompass/libcatalog/description_html/v00562.html  > Fast Newsreader (FNEWS) - DECUS Library (V00562) - FTP Archive% ftp://ftp.encompassus.org/lib/v00562/o    < MXRN - DECwindows Motif News Reader - OpenVMS Freeware CD v63 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/mxrn/r    & newsrdr - Acorn Software DECUS Archive' http://acornsw.com:9081/vs0153/newsrdr/i  6 NEWSRDR - MadGoat NNTP client reader for Usenet news - Hunter Goatley's FILESERV"< http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?NEWSRDR    % Opus One Software - VNEWS news readert* http://www.opus1.com/o/software_vnews.html  ) Opus One - OpenVMS Business Partner Briefi5 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/opus-one/index.htmI    , slrn - NNTP-based newsreader - freshmeat.net# http://freshmeat.net/projects/slrn/D   slrn newsreader - sourceforge  http://slrn.sourceforge.net/   slrn newsreader - Documentation ! http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/t   slrn newsreader - Download( http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/slrn/   slrn newsreader - Manual# http://slrn.sourceforge.net/manual/a     Cheers!  Keith CayembergF) IBM Business Services - Hannover, Germany    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:29:25 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: News Server0 Message-ID: <newscache$zh528i$7er$1@news.sil.at>  ` In article <cokotl.i0.1@seniorenheim-reutin.de>, "Volker Englisch" <englisch.ahr@gmx.de> writes:I >is there any (free) newsserver software that runs on VMS, like "innd" on  >unices?  I DNEWS was commercial on VMS, too. Now it is abandoned for OpenVMS and youeM _may_ get a license for free (if you ask) for the last available VMS version.p  $ 	http://www.netwinsite.com/dnews.htm  M But who wants to run a service without support (not even sourcecode) at all ?i  K OTOH, I'm pretty sure, the current DNEWS source code will compile/build/runhJ on VMS, but alas, for a commercial product you need customers (and H/W andJ O/S vendor support) and these obviously weren't there then and aren't now.  G Now, if hp OpenVMS engineering would buy DNEWS (or at least pay for the E development/testing/support of the VMS version - to keep DNEWS in thesE hand of the current owner) then TCPIP would finally have an advantagelF over PSC's TCPware and Multinet. But who will pay this investment backG to hp ? The VMS ISPs ? The banks, stock exchanges and hospitals ? Sigh.x   -- s Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER-% Network and OpenVMS system specialist0 E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:17:29 -0700s+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>o Subject: Re: News Server' Message-ID: <41AE26D9.2050209@MMaz.com>o    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:  a >In article <cokotl.i0.1@seniorenheim-reutin.de>, "Volker Englisch" <englisch.ahr@gmx.de> writes:  >  U >/J >>is there any (free) newsserver software that runs on VMS, like "innd" on	 >>unices?s >>     >> > J >DNEWS was commercial on VMS, too. Now it is abandoned for OpenVMS and youN >_may_ get a license for free (if you ask) for the last available VMS version. >u% >	http://www.netwinsite.com/dnews.htm  > N >But who wants to run a service without support (not even sourcecode) at all ? >eL >OTOH, I'm pretty sure, the current DNEWS source code will compile/build/runK >on VMS, but alas, for a commercial product you need customers (and H/W anduK >O/S vendor support) and these obviously weren't there then and aren't now.p >aH >Now, if hp OpenVMS engineering would buy DNEWS (or at least pay for theF >development/testing/support of the VMS version - to keep DNEWS in theF >hand of the current owner) then TCPIP would finally have an advantageG >over PSC's TCPware and Multinet. But who will pay this investment backhH >to hp ? The VMS ISPs ? The banks, stock exchanges and hospitals ? Sigh. >- >  - >-D I think this is just another perfect example of targeting the wrong I OS/HW for an application, not because VMS and associated HW can't do it,  H but because news feeds are typically resource pigs and it would be cost I prohibitive solution if you are running any significant number of public EF news groups concurrently where as a powerful, but cheap, Linux system = can handle this without missing a beat, RAID disks and all...s  H This alone is probably why a commerical news feed never took off in the 
 VMS market...e   Barryn   --    < Barry Treahy, Jr                     E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com< Midwest Microwave, Inc.                  Phone: 480/314-1320< Vice President & CIO                      FAX:  480/661-7028  I                        ... but it's a DRY HEAT!                          s   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 04 15:29:34 ESTw) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook)f Subject: Re: News Server! Message-ID: <y$0$iyD34WGj@wvnvms>i  i In article <newscache$zh528i$7er$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:Gb > In article <cokotl.i0.1@seniorenheim-reutin.de>, "Volker Englisch" <englisch.ahr@gmx.de> writes:J >>is there any (free) newsserver software that runs on VMS, like "innd" on	 >>unices?G > K > DNEWS was commercial on VMS, too. Now it is abandoned for OpenVMS and you-O > _may_ get a license for free (if you ask) for the last available VMS version.  > & > 	http://www.netwinsite.com/dnews.htm > O > But who wants to run a service without support (not even sourcecode) at all ?0  H We have been using it very successfully for years on an Alpha (currentlyF at VMS 7.3-2).  It is one of the most problem free software packages IC have ever had to deal with.  If you can get a free license, I would.H highly recommend it.  We use it with Multinet in UCX compatibility mode,A so it should work with any TCP/IP package with UCX compatibility.-  C If you just want to serve a small number of groups, then ANUNEWS ismI also an option, however it is quite time consuming to keep it functioningG if you ask too much of it.  F FWIW, this reply will first go thru a small ANUNEWS server (supportingG about 10 groups) which I keep for personal use and then thru our publich1 DNEWS server (which carries about 18,000 groups).s     George Cooks WVNET    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2004 19:24:17 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.como< Subject: Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 2007, Message-ID: <col5p111g6i@enews3.newsguy.com>  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:K > If HP were to pull out of consumer wintel business, would this affect itseL > profitability/competitiveness in the wintel server business since it wouldK > have less volume purchasing power for parts ? Or are wintel servers builtaL > with different parts and thus not benefit from the consumer wintel volumes > ?j  L > BTW, Has HP now completely stopped using the "Compaq" brand ? I see plenty- > of HP Pavillion ads on TV, none for Compaq.b  I From what I've seen, dumping the Consumer PC business would probably be atK good idea on their part.  I'm not to impressed with what I've seen of their K products in that market.  At the same time thier Business Servers (at least ' ones with Compaq roots) are quiet nice.r  C Personally I think they should concentrate on Printers and Businesso4 computing, with an emphasis on OpenVMS of course :^)   		Zane   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed,  1 Dec 2004 22:50:03 +0100 (CET)d% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>dA Subject: Re: this newsgroup heavily trolled by gay Darrell LaroseA8 Message-ID: <643ec2dea2fd1ba02b638c520f1c3c45@dizum.com>  E Gay Pedophile Coward Darrell Larose hiding behind his pedophile aliass& "Mikey" <mikey@doesntlike.it> trolled:   >aD >"Andrew" <andrew@dont.spam.leathalproductions.com> wrote in message2 >news:Ivand.14422$UO4.735@fe04.usenetserver.com... >> Nomen Nescio, >>M >> Why do you have to hide behind a fake email address, are you afraid people M >> here will find out where you live and go to your home to find out that youUI >> are still living with mommy and daddy, or that you are one of the most  >> wanted kiddy porn dealers?s >> >> Regards,.	 >> Andrews >>, >Because Mikey is a blah blah blah blah blah  @ Poor gay pedophile Darrell Larose.  Still reeling from the soundB spanking I gave him a few months ago (probably enjoyed it too, the; pervert).  Still crying because JF Mezei, the object of hiso= affections, rejected him and publically humiliated him in thelD newsgroups.  Still lusting after young boys.  Still a gay old whore.  ( Poor gay pedophile Darrell Larose.......   Darrell Larose 121 Northwestern Ave Ottawa, ON K1Y 0M1 (613) 725-0245 cota348@rogers.com ad607@FreeNet.Carleton.CAt   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:38:32 +0000 (UTC)* From: bleau@UMTOF.UMD.EDU (Lawrence Bleau)6 Subject: Re: Why does "lead" appear in OSU access log?0 Message-ID: <colh58$nbb$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  \ In article <41ABC7C0.AFD7F12B@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >Lawrence Bleau wrote:T >> lead - - [28/Nov/2004:12:28:01 +0000] "GET /pm/latest2day.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 11519 >> BL >> This isn't a valid hostname, nor is it defined in my local host database. >> oF >> How on earth did the OSU reverse lookup routine return this string? >d1 >if you do an "nslookup lead", what does it say ?    $ nslookup leadd Server:  noc.net.umd.edu Address:  128.8.5.2   = *** noc.net.umd.edu can't find lead: Non-existent host/domainu  ; >On the client side, you should look at the default domainsC >e >TCPIP SHOW NAME >aF >(look at the "path" item. If you supply just a node name, it will try% >resolving with each of those paths.)-  9 There are no path values defined.  My domain is umd.edu .c   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edun   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:37:06 -0800c3 From: "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii_googlespam@yahoo.com>wE Subject: Wish list: Linux/simh/VMS distribution for CF 4GB hard drive>0 Message-ID: <10qt75o5jni5f28@corp.supernews.com>   Wish list item:   ? A DVD Linux distribution with simh and VMS ready to go that cann9 be placed on a bootable CompactFlash size 4GB hard drive.-   -- - C.W.Holeman II) cwh5ii@Julian5Locals.com remove the fivesB   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:06:20 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: [TCPIP V5.4] ECO 4 is out0 Message-ID: <newscache$grc28i$9nt$1@news.sil.at>  D In case you haven't noted yet (eg. because no ITRC mail told you ;-)3 Since a couple of hours, ECO 4 of TCPIP V5.4 is out   > 	ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/layered_products/alpha/   Now, who finds the first bug ? Ready, steady, go...   -- d Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist> E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:57:31 GMT$F From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregorymorrowLUCKBEALADYTONIGHT@earthlink.net>' Subject: Re: ~ The J F  M e z e i FAQ ~o@ Message-ID: <%Ltrd.532$714.165@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>  % Wow!  Thanks for the heads up, Nomen!    --   Best Greg    2 "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message2 news:d28d57600167d10e950c256206a6313a@dizum.com... > FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS >     AboutI
 > JF MEZEI >iB > The "nobody" troll of rec.travel.air and "John Doe" troll of the > sci.space.* newsgroups.' >e > (Rev. Nov. 16, 2004) >R
 > Written by:I >= > Darrell Larose > 121 Northwestern Ave > Ottawa, ON K1Y 0M1 > (613) 725-0245 > cota348@rogers.com > ad607@FreeNet.Carleton.CAt >p > 1.  Who is JF Mezei? > E > Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have everwE > hit rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is also-6 > one of the longest running trolls in usenet history. > E > ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME ANDoE > E-MAIL ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS  > THEIR MESSAGES.*** >oG > If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitornG > the control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled yours> > messages, forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and > abuse@teranews.com . >B$ > 2.  How long has he been trolling? >> > For well over a decade.N >E > 3.  Where does he live?R >T > Montreal, Quebec, Canada >  > Jean-Francois Mezeil > 86 Harwood Gateh > Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3g > (514) 695-8259 >r4 > His current e-mail address is jfmezei@teksavvy.com >-, > 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll? > E > His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invadeseF > your newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, dayH > in and day out, every day of the year, for years and years on end.  HeB > does not listen to pleas to stop, he does not listen to anything6 > anyone tells him, he does not pay attention when theC > misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just goesRE > right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding hiskH > ears closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you > say!"  >e > 5.  What does he troll about?a >sH > His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  HeD > hates the USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn itE > into a USA-bashing fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just start/ > making lewd posts. >d& > 6.  What does he hate about the USA? >hG > Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have G > a visceral hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is aiD > happier, better, more successful version of their country and they@ > can't stand it.  Some of JF's favorite troll bait is "the BushE > regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis of evil", "Americans aretD > brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are > stupid" etc. >a% > 7.  What about his sexual trolling?f >eG > Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre. @ > Among his favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women'sC > genitalia, sex toys, circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of." > course) ... the list is endless. >c > 8.  Circumcision???m >aH > Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes> > to insert circumcision into his trolling every now and then.E > Apparently, JF was traumatized as a child because his parents, poorMD > Hungarian immigrants to Canada, left him uncircumcised when he wasD > born, as is the custom in most of the world.  Growing up in CanadaB > where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time, he wasA > psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could helB > arranged to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades ofG > circumcision proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of aeB > free willy.  His main argument is how much better he was able toD > masturbate after getting circumcised without that "pesky foreskin"H > getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has made it his mission in) > life to spread the circumcision gospel.  >	B > 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of	 > freaky.  > B > Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among theG > subjects dear to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, G > especially little boy's foreskins (and how tight they are) and littlejB > girls' hymens.  He is also a tireless activist and advocate thatE > children should be taught to masturbate early on so that they don'te. > grow up "sexually repressed like Americans". >tG > He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their E > little boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit,rH > proper movement, and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.C > Utopia for JF would be a world full of parents manipulating their  > little boys' penises.r >oB > 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the- > minute!  Are you sure about all this stuff?  > F > Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a) > decade full of Mezei trolling in there.e >aE > 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the' > time like all trolls do? >eD > Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known > trolling aliases.  >>C > 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't heh > work?i >>G > Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, atE > grown man who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day andhB > trolls the newsgroups all night.  In his free time when he isn'tH > trolling he likes to ride his bike down to Dorval Airport and race the% > planes down the runway in his bike.s >a; > 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?a > F > Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he neverC > got past the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor H > (i.e. "pull my finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been > able to outgrow. >oE > 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about2 > them, is that true?t > B > Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in theD > locker room.  He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has? > seen in locker rooms over the years, especially his unnatural H > obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the men in locker rooms trying toD > measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is left if theyH > have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case > of phimosis. >mB > 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an > insane asylum! >aF > Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin= > foil hat world where others are out to get him.  The key totH > understanding JF is that he sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the worldF > is out to get him, especially the USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all > about. >aF > What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian railF > system was "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut,F > spotting trains, writing down their numbers and chasing them down atD > the train yard like a good freak.  Then he turned his attention toE > aviation.  Major events that made him fall head first deep into the E > abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines and their subsequent H > takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid is he thatG > when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employees F > went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to coverG > up the Air Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of4= > the crash investigation.  He has never recovered from this.c > 8 > 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him! >eH > His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to someG > ancient, arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has takenoC > seriously for decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits andoE > social dropouts who share his psychological traumas, crying for theB3 > good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!K >s# > 17.  Where else does he hang out?e >nB > can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geekyF > computer groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster heD > invaded the sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, andH > trolled it relentlessly with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crapG > he's so famous for.  But they ran him off that group and he had to go F > crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail between his legs, licking
 > his wounds.t >aC > 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects ands > doesn't troll. >aH > Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so@ > he slips in troll bait every now and then, but by and large heC > respects comp.os.vms, and, more importantly, he tries to hide hisfC > trolling activities from them so they won't find out what a majory > netkook he is. >oH > 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind > of psycho he is! >uG > Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And whileaH > you're at it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fidoA > too.  And to alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and- > news.admin.net-abuse.usenet. >06 > 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address? > F > Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts > to:g >D, > abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com > abuse@teranews.com >.9 > You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.> >t > TekSavvy Solutions Inc.  > 330 Richmond St., Suite 205s > Chatham, ON, Canadaa	 > N7M 1P7s > F > And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups,E > email it to people, you may host it at your own website, send it todF > newspapers and magazines that do Internet articles or anything to do > with Montreal or Canada, etc.  >W >d > *** APPENDIX *** >pB > List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over theH > years.  This is only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to > compile a full list. >. > jfmezei@teksavvy.com > jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com > jfmezei@istop.com  > jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com  > jfmezei@videotron.ca > jfmezei@vl.videotron.ca  > nospam.jfmezei@videotron.ca   > "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam] >0 > nobody <nobody@nobody.com> > nobody <nobody@nobody.net> > nobody <nobody@nobody.org> > nobody <nobody@nobody.info>n > nobody <nobody@nobody.int> > nobody <nobody@nothing.nil>- > nobody <nobody@null.dev>+ > Lorenna Bobbit <lbobbit@ginsu_knives.com>t) > Lando Calrisian <Lcalrisian@empire.org>x > muklak <muklak@eskimo.net> > Sheep skin <sheep@station.au>e% > snowy squirrel <squirrel@nest.tree> + > Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org> ( > Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>& > Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>' > Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>s > Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>' > Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> $ > Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>& > Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>/ > Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ) > Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>x$ > Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> > Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>.) > Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>d* > Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>( > Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org>! > Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>h) > Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>r' > Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>b > Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>w# > Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>a% > Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>s" > Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>& > Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>( > Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>& > Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>, > Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org>  > Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org># > Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org> ! > Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> & > Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org># > Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>:# > Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org> " > Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>& > Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org>  > Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>' > Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> ' > Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> & > Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> > Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>s( > Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>* > Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>' > Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>l' > Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>o( > Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>, > Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>( > Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>) > Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>s) > Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>t* > Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>. > Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>0 > Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> > Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>i) > Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>r' > Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> & > Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>$ > Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>( > Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org>% > Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>m* > Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>' > Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>e$ > Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>' > Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> ( > Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>) > Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>e+ > Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) > Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> $ > Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>* > Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>. > George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>- > Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>l, > Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>* > Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>) > Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>s, > Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org>! > T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>t > Q <queue@continuum.net>u > Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>, > Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>+ > John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>  >t= > *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY*h   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.668 ************************