1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 04 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 672       Contents: Re: CLUSTER_SIZE ramification 3 Re: CSWS V2.0 & CSWS_PHP V1.2 - "php4_module" error ; FA : OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM software kit. March 2000. Complete. < FA: A whole bunch of DEC M series boards and data acq coming Re: Good sftp server? 2 Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too?2 Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too?2 Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too?- Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX - Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX - Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX - Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX - Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX - Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX - Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX - Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX - Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX : Re: HP Layoffs in New Hampshire the week ending 3-Dec-2004: Re: HP Layoffs in New Hampshire the week ending 3-Dec-2004: Re: HP Layoffs in New Hampshire the week ending 3-Dec-2004: Re: HP Layoffs in New Hampshire the week ending 3-Dec-2004: Re: HP Layoffs in New Hampshire the week ending 3-Dec-2004! Re: Hp to use Veritas File system ! Re: Hp to use Veritas File system ? Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS  Re: Is Sue OK ?  Re: Is Sue OK ?  Re: Is Sue OK ?  Java on VMS  Re: Java on VMS  Re: Java on VMS  Re: Java on VMS  Re: Java on VMS  Re: Java on VMS  Re: Java on VMS  Re: News Server  Re: News Server ( Re: OpenVMS.org  comp.os.vms link failed3 Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 2007 3 Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 2007  pathworks and domain trust Re: pathworks and domain trust" Re: SMTP: hosting multiple domains Re: Value of VAX ft810 VAX Hobbyist In The Making...   Re: What happened to SIMH ?!?!?!@ Re: Wish list: Linux/simh/VMS distribution for CF 4GB hard drive& Re: [Netherlands] two  free VAX 3400's Re: [TCPIP V5.4] ECO 4 is out   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 3 DEC 2004 12:47:40 GMT 4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)& Subject: Re: CLUSTER_SIZE ramification5 Message-ID: <3DEC04.12474034@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>   E In a previous article, John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote:   A ->>It doesn't work because the file is open. You get an error --  E ->>-SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT -- when you try. So it's safe, but it doesn't  ->>work. ;-) ->  N ->I rather suspected that would be the case.  A dig around in the help for DFUL ->didn't reveal any magic way to achieve this in there either.  A backup andG ->restore (with manual init) is probably the easiest route(*), but only L ->worthwhile if the lost space is significant.  The unused allocation is not ->doing any harm.   G If you have DFO (Defrag) you might try dismounting the disk followed by G "DEFRAGMENT OFFLINE_VOLUME <disk>". That will defragment the indexf.sys H file but I don't know whether it will truncate the unused space as well.   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 8 --                 karcher.nomorespqm@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 19:18:24 GMT ) From: "Rick Barry" <richard.barry@hp.com> < Subject: Re: CSWS V2.0 & CSWS_PHP V1.2 - "php4_module" error0 Message-ID: <4_2sd.3897$kc5.22@news.cpqcorp.net>  H > Now about 4 months later, does anyone know if there is now an official@ > HP statement regarding this (have I overlooked a change in the
 documentation A > eg. in the release notes on the web) ? Or an (not public) ECO ?   J There is a problem, we understand what it is, and we'll fix it in a futureL release. The work-around for now is to make sure the logical name is defined before shutting down:   " $@apache$root:[000000]apache$setup  L > PS: And what happened to the promised fix for the restriction to STREAM-LFL > files ? And what happened to the promised support for suEXEC and MOD_DAV ?  9 Both: Coming with the next release of CSWS 2.0 next year.   J > And what has happened to the plan to make this server based on threads ?  I That promise was never made. Any decision to make CSWS 2.0 use a threaded G model would be based on business need since it's a non-trivial piece of J work. We have not heard many requests for a threaded server to this point.J Another thing to consider is that some extensions, PHP is the most popular+ example, do not support the threaded model.   
 Rick Barry OpenVMS System Software Group  Hewlett-Packard Company 
 Nashua, NH  C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message + news:newscache$z5548i$lhd1$1@news.sil.at... J > Some months ago we had a thread with the symptom of shutting down APACHEJ > (CSWS V2.0/CSWS_PHP V1.2) gave an error (while the server kept running): > 7 > $ IF F$GETDVI("APACHE$SWS_CONTROL_MBX","EXISTS") THEN  @SYS$STARTUP:APACHE$SHUTDOWN; > Syntax error on line 5 of /apache$root/conf/mod_php.conf: 9 > Can't locate API module structure `php4_module' in file  /apache$root/000000/modu6 > les/mod_php_apache-2_0.exe: function not implemented > D > The problem was that the logical PHPSHR (and PHP_ROOT) get definedJ > (by APACHE$COMMON:[000000]APACHE$SETUP.COM) in the context of the serverF > process (= process logical) and could therefor not be found from the& > process doing the (apache) shutdown. > F > Rick BARRY of hp told us that he made a note for investigating this. > H > Now about 4 months later, does anyone know if there is now an official@ > HP statement regarding this (have I overlooked a change in the
 documentation A > eg. in the release notes on the web) ? Or an (not public) ECO ?  > I > Or what did YOU do ? Define the 2 logicals in the system table (eg. via G > SYLOGICALS.COM or modify APACHE$COMMON:[000000]APACHE$SETUP.COM) just E > to make the shutdown work ? Or maybe found a way to tell the apache A > server to shutdown itself (eg. via a control port connection) ?  >  > TIA  > L > PS: And what happened to the promised fix for the restriction to STREAM-LFL > files ? And what happened to the promised support for suEXEC and MOD_DAV ?J > And what has happened to the plan to make this server based on threads ? > --   > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:11:55 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> D Subject: FA : OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM software kit. March 2000. Complete.' Message-ID: <41B0F2BB.727D7B8D@aaa.com>   D eBay : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5735005613   Description from the auction :  H The following CD's are including (the full original "March 2000" kit, as far as I know) :  E OpenVMS VAX Software Product Library, "March 2000", two disks (both).  See note below !!!B OpenVMS Year 2000 readiness Kit, Feb-1999 and Apr-2000. Two disks.D OpenVMS VAX Software Product Library, "March 2000", 9 disks (all, of course...).   C Note: Two of the "Software Product Library" disks are marked "*KEEP  ME*". In the docs, it says :H "Many products that have been shipped on the OpenVMS VAX SW Prod Lib are due to be retired,H and will be removed from the June 2000 release. For your convenience, we have placed these A products on two CD-ROMs labeled "Keep Me". Customers who chose to  continue to use these productsH may wish to keep these discs as this is the final time the products will be inculded in the library".4 And then there is a table containing these products.  F So, this is the latest kit that included a number of products, if that matters to you...      Regards,	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 15:04:20 -0500 . From: "K. Marden" <kNuOrtSmP2A2M@netscape.net>E Subject: FA: A whole bunch of DEC M series boards and data acq coming , Message-ID: <31bv65F39je44U1@individual.net>  < I have posted new auctions and have about 40 boards to sell. I have 7 listed now on ebay.  L <http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=kurtm2 >    ; Here are some of the part numbers that are to be auctioned:    M8186  M8029  M8063  M8639 - RDRX Disk controller	 M8190 CPU  M7504  M7555  M7270 0 and many more plus some data acquisition boards,% extension cards and a wire wrap card.   > I will be putting the boards up over the next couple of weeks.   Thanks,  Kurt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:27:01 -0800 + From: "Russell E. Owen" <rowen@cesmail.net>  Subject: Re: Good sftp server?A Message-ID: <rowen-B1AD0F.14270103122004@gnus01.u.washington.edu>   A In article <6.1.2.0.2.20041202194534.0227dad0@raptor.psccos.com>, '  Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote:   . >At 05:56 PM 12/2/2004, Russell E. Owen wrote:F >>Regarding support for logical names, I did not find this to work (at9 >>least not in the way I thought it should). For example:  >>sftp> cd trinc2 >>Couldn't canonicalise: No such file or directory >  >Try:  >  >sftp> cd trinc:  G I had already tried it with the same error, but in that case it was no  F surprise because Richard Whalen had said the following (and I was NOT  using a VMS client):  I >The SFTP server does handle logical names, but you can not include colon 1 >on them unless you are using our SFTP client ...   D What was a surprise to me was that it failed with no quotes. (As an H aside, not having to use the quotes is crucial for my needs, but then I C can use ftp over ssh tunnel, so it's more an annoyance than a show  	 stopper.)   
 -- Russell   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2004 13:18:14 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow); Subject: Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too? 3 Message-ID: <HSsw394t7zDP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   { In article <41AF9CB1.39956D41@encompasserve-or-this.org>, Graham Burley <burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org> writes:  > $ delete :== if 0 then  ) Hmmm, this may be the best answer so far.   L An interesting thread so far. I should have save this for "Stump the Chumps"' \\\ The VMS Engineering Panel at DECUS.   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  H         We have awakened a sleeping giant and instilled in it a terrible3         resolve. -- Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, WWII.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2004 12:41:44 -0800   From: "Barry" <dysert@gmail.com>; Subject: Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too? C Message-ID: <1102106504.503547.124610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   > Adding three quotes to the definition seems to work and is the	 simplest:    $ delete := @nla0: """ $    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2004 15:57:57 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow); Subject: Re: How to make DCL ignore continuation lines too? 3 Message-ID: <QyVLrSSf08h2@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <1102106504.503547.124610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Barry" <dysert@gmail.com> writes:@ > Adding three quotes to the definition seems to work and is the > simplest:  >  > $ delete := @nla0: """  K Doesn't seem to handle continuation lines, which was the original question.   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  J         Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every oneJ         who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve itE         but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are C         inevitably ruined. -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788     ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:04:31 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX, Message-ID: <LKudnafv89ZdJS3cRVn-rg@igs.net>   Bill Todd wrote:0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message( > news:UPSdnQrV46Azxy3cRVn-og@igs.net... >> Mark Hittinger wrote:C >>> I guess its time for the distributed lock manager to show up in  >>> Windows/XPU. >>> 	 >>> Later  >>>  >>> Mark Hittinger >>> bugs@pu.net  >> >>D >> Of course it will.....it'll be the last 'donation' carly(tm) will- >> make to Microsoft before decalring VMS EOL  > @ > Unlikely:  Microsoft (at least last I knew) still just doesn'tC > believe in shared-storage clustering, hence has little need for a C > DLM.  And, as noted, anyone who wants such a system can just slap * > Veritas's product on top of Microsoft's.    J That doesn't mean that carly(tm), god bless her coiffed little head, won'tH want to 'donate' away the technology to somebody (open-sourced for LinuxI perhaps) if only to say, "See, the technology is now widely available and K there's no longer any reason for VMS to exist from a technological point of  view."   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2004 13:10:35 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX3 Message-ID: <nSWoJiFl5Jeh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <D8GdnR6pC5P9AS3cRVn-uw@metrocastcablevision.com>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:N > Except for the minor issue that they committed to do precisely that, with noG > mention that said 'commitment' was conditional on fulfilling it being  > convenient for *them*. > J > Of course, they may have felt that that went without saying, given theirM > history.  But clearly some of the faithful here haven't quite realized that ( > that's the way they operate, even yet.  L Wasn't there the same DOD 20 year commitment to Tru64 that there was to VMS?  I Whether true or not, watching how Tru64 has been treated for the past 3.5 H years tells us a lot about what may happen to VMS inthe future. And thatI just gives competitors like IBM, SUN, and even Microsoft more FUD to make  sure it happens.  K My former employer spent a fortune migrating from a "legacy" environment to L Tru64/Wildfire :-( In fact, they were one of ~250 first day wildfire orders.F Wasn't Wildfire advertized as the server for the rest of the decade or something like that?  C Tru64 on GS160 is the server of the future (or something like that) 4 Alpha is dead. Tru64 (and VMS) will port to Itanium.5 Tru64 is dead. Its best parts will be added to HP-UX.   H With this track record, why should any customer ever believe any promise from HP?  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  H         We have awakened a sleeping giant and instilled in it a terrible3         resolve. -- Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, WWII.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:07:27 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX, Message-ID: <NOidnZSrFfDyJC3cRVn-3A@igs.net>   Bill Todd wrote:: > "leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote in message0 > news:Ewhrd.64359$g21.61196@fe1.texas.rr.com.../ >> This paragraph is from the attached article:  >>D >>   "In other news, we hear that VMS development will soon suffer aD >>    spate of outsourcing at HP, with several staffers ceding their= >>    jobs to people working outside the corporate umbrella."  >> >>/ >>    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19973 / >>    HP expected to drop Trucluster from HP-UX  > G > Both speculations certainly fit well with HP's manifest reluctance to E > own any technology that it can possibly buy instead, even if not at # > anything like equivalent quality.     K carly(tm) wants HP to be like a large grocery store chain selling 'industry K standard' milk to pour over 3rd-party ceral branded with her brand. However K unlike the grocery store, HP won't advertise all the products with its name  on them.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:41:50 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX= Message-ID: <Ar2dnXGu9KncXy3cRVn-3Q@metrocastcablevision.com>   . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:LKudnafv89ZdJS3cRVn-rg@igs.net... > Bill Todd wrote:2 > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message* > > news:UPSdnQrV46Azxy3cRVn-og@igs.net... > >> Mark Hittinger wrote:E > >>> I guess its time for the distributed lock manager to show up in  > >>> Windows/XPU. > >>>  > >>> Later  > >>>  > >>> Mark Hittinger > >>> bugs@pu.net  > >> > >>F > >> Of course it will.....it'll be the last 'donation' carly(tm) will/ > >> make to Microsoft before decalring VMS EOL  > > B > > Unlikely:  Microsoft (at least last I knew) still just doesn'tE > > believe in shared-storage clustering, hence has little need for a E > > DLM.  And, as noted, anyone who wants such a system can just slap , > > Veritas's product on top of Microsoft's. >  > L > That doesn't mean that carly(tm), god bless her coiffed little head, won'tJ > want to 'donate' away the technology to somebody (open-sourced for LinuxK > perhaps) if only to say, "See, the technology is now widely available and J > there's no longer any reason for VMS to exist from a technological point of > view."  J Actually, she won't have to, because IBM already did.  They cloned the VMSK DLM about a decade ago to support OPS on AIX, and a few years ago made that 6 implementation available to Linux as open source code.  J Of course, cHumPaq has donated considerable Unix clustering IP to the openL source world as well.  Normally, one considers that a good thing - save whenI it presages the abandonment of superior proprietary products as a result.    - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2004 14:03:54 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX3 Message-ID: <CCTfBSHwqjpe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <nSWoJiFl5Jeh@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) writes: > K > Whether true or not, watching how Tru64 has been treated for the past 3.5 A > years tells us a lot about what may happen to VMS inthe future.   F    So why do you think the end of VMS was not announced 3.5 years ago,    just like everything else?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:10:18 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX, Message-ID: <LrCdnQ2NZM7WeS3cRVn-uQ@igs.net>   Bob Kaplow wrote: E > In article <D8GdnR6pC5P9AS3cRVn-uw@metrocastcablevision.com>, "Bill ( > Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:G >> Except for the minor issue that they committed to do precisely that, G >> with no mention that said 'commitment' was conditional on fulfilling " >> it being convenient for *them*. >>E >> Of course, they may have felt that that went without saying, given F >> their history.  But clearly some of the faithful here haven't quite7 >> realized that that's the way they operate, even yet.  > F > Wasn't there the same DOD 20 year commitment to Tru64 that there was	 > to VMS?     I carly(tm) is bigger than the DoD....she has *shareholders*.  DoD only has 
 taxpayers.  K Don't forget that her nibs sits on some sort of national space committee at G the request of the Commander-In-Chief. Shrub's friends don't get pushed  around much by anybody.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 17:52:43 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX, Message-ID: <41B0EE37.3C748E3F@teksavvy.com>  H > > Wasn't there the same DOD 20 year commitment to Tru64 that there was > > to VMS?   M This only applies to those who sign a for-fee contract. And it only garantees 0 support for your cofig for those 20 or so years.  J In other words, you install version X of VMS on hardware Y on those secretH planes, and HP garantees to support that config for 20 years. It doesn'tN garantee there will be new software versions or new faster hardware. Just thatE HP will keep that confog working. (includes spare parts for hardware)    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 01:37:19 GMT ( From: Tom O'Toole <ereiamjh@pacbell.net>6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX* Message-ID: <41B113A0.8057F0E@pacbell.net>    >> 1 > >>    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19973 1 > >>    HP expected to drop Trucluster from HP-UX   G This has since been verified in a bunch of other trade rags today. What < a ridiculous company is HP. The Tru64 people must be PISSED.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 21:44:59 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX, Message-ID: <v4mdndoVKNY3uSzcRVn-og@igs.net>   Tom O'Toole wrote:1 >>>>    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19973 1 >>>>    HP expected to drop Trucluster from HP-UX  > D > This has since been verified in a bunch of other trade rags today.C > What a ridiculous company is HP. The Tru64 people must be PISSED.     ) Half right......they're pissed and fired.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:07:40 -0700. From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc..com>C Subject: Re: HP Layoffs in New Hampshire the week ending 3-Dec-2004 . Message-ID: <hI3sd.8$C76.1595@news.uswest.net>  2 Here's a better article from the Nashua Telegraph.  U http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041203/BUSINESS/112030015   D Unfortunately, even the public affairs office at the VMS facility on/ Spitbrook Rd won't answer any questions either.   
 Mike Ober.    : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:4llgopXvioV5@eisner.encompasserve.org... H > In article <opsifwrvwuzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: I > > On 3 Dec 2004 09:27:21 -0600, Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> 
 > > wrote: > > E > >>> NASHUA, N.H. -- Hewlett-Packard Co. has laid off workers in New  > >>> Hampshire   > >>> but will not say how many. > >>> J > >>> A company spokeswoman said Thursday only that "there were work force0 > >>> actions taken in New Hampshire this week." > >> > >>_ http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2004/12/03/new_hampshire_news_in_brief/  > >  > > L > > Do you think it goes beyond the Tru64 folks related to the Veritas deal? >  > I have no other information. > B > I have no expertise in speculation. I hope to distinguish myself: > from large numbers of posters here by admitting that :-) >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:03:57 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> C Subject: Re: HP Layoffs in New Hampshire the week ending 3-Dec-2004 , Message-ID: <uJidnVQg8dJTfy3cRVn-2A@igs.net>   Michael D. Ober wrote:4 > Here's a better article from the Nashua Telegraph. >  > L http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041203/BUSINESS/	 112030015  > F > Unfortunately, even the public affairs office at the VMS facility on1 > Spitbrook Rd won't answer any questions either.  >  > Mike Ober.    I ""I can confirm that there were workforce actions taken in NH this week," F Monica Sarkar, director of corporate media relations of the Palo Alto, Calif.-based company..."  J During WWII, the SS also had 'aktions'. They too referred to liquidations.  J For those who recall history, all I can say is -- good choice of words HP.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 01:04:12 GMT 1 From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net> C Subject: Re: HP Layoffs in New Hampshire the week ending 3-Dec-2004 & Message-ID: <g28sd.67$hP2.26@trnddc05>  1 Any volunteers to count cars in the parking lots?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 02:11:00 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> C Subject: Re: HP Layoffs in New Hampshire the week ending 3-Dec-2004 ' Message-ID: <41B10EA4.8206A7ED@aaa.com>   3 And bicycles and people getting of the buses, not ? , And what about those walking to the office ?  " But wait, this was the US, right ?   Forget about it...  	 Jan-Erik.    Ken Randell wrote: > 3 > Any volunteers to count cars in the parking lots?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:13:58 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> C Subject: Re: HP Layoffs in New Hampshire the week ending 3-Dec-2004 , Message-ID: <ULOdnUDeoocciCzcRVn-qA@igs.net>   Ken Randell wrote:3 > Any volunteers to count cars in the parking lots?   
 IP web cam   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 06:24:43 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com * Subject: Re: Hp to use Veritas File system- Message-ID: <87brdb10lw.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   6 Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au> writes:  F > With this loose terminology of "clusters", it would be useful if oneA > of the pro (well not averse to) VMS mags would write an article 1 > defining what "cluster" means to various OS'es.   & Not amag article, but what you want is   `In Search of Clusters'   $ Was it John Hennersey who wrote it?    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:58:11 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>* Subject: Re: Hp to use Veritas File system= Message-ID: <k4ednZCNdrYqhCzcRVn-vg@metrocastcablevision.com>   ( <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message' news:87brdb10lw.fsf@prep.synonet.com... 8 > Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au> writes: > H > > With this loose terminology of "clusters", it would be useful if oneC > > of the pro (well not averse to) VMS mags would write an article 3 > > defining what "cluster" means to various OS'es.  > ( > Not amag article, but what you want is >  > `In Search of Clusters'  > % > Was it John Hennersey who wrote it?   K No - Greg Pfister (a sometimes-contributor to comp.arch and senior IBM tech 8 type when he wrote it - he may be an IBM Fellow by now).   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2004 22:58:37 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) H Subject: Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS3 Message-ID: <6$tYJvrVJjmK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <BJydnfVTNe3vFy3cRVn-oA@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:9 > http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/03/technology/03ibm.html  >  > December 3, 20042 > I.B.M. Said to Put Its PC Business on the Market& > By ANDREW ROSS SORKIN and STEVE LOHR > F > International Business Machines, whose first I.B.M. PC in 1981 movedN > personal computing out of the hobby shop and into the corporate and consumerC > mainstream, has put the business up for sale, people close to the  > negotiations said yesterday. >   C 	IBM smells the coffee, HP refuses to?  How very annoying, typical!   ? 	PCs were/are never the drain at HP as they are at IBM.  You've > 	been trolling long enough , surely you remember some of this:  R http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=pnWxLFC4zsFU%40eisner.decus.org&output=gplain  * From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms   Date: 29 Sep 2000 00:39:10 -0500  O IBM is desperate to stay a full service company and has suffered through great  L losses in their PC sector to maintain the aura of a full service provider.  : Last year they overhauled their PC unit to improve things:  D http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO29127,00.html  I The losses have improved over the $1 billion dollar a year loss cited in  
 that article.   D High volume and low margins?  Oh, you mean like corn and soybeans?     ---   B 	I guess reality set in (that and Sam said: "ENOUGH ALREADY" - seeB 	below) and sanity won out.  After all, a billion loss here and a E 	billion loss there and pretty soon you are talking about real money!    > M > A sale of the personal computer business would be a step away from I.B.M.'s E > traditional emphasis on the size of its revenue as a measure of its J > corporate power. The PC business represents about 12 percent of I.B.M.'s  > annual revenue of $92 billion. > N > For nearly a decade, though, some industry analysts have urged I.B.M. to getN > out of that business as it made only a modest profit or lost money. For thisI > year, analysts have expected a pretax profit of less than $100 million.  >   < 	Well duh.  It finally made money , so get rid of it as fastC 	as you can!  PCs will be nothing but trouble here on out for many.  	Corn and soyeaans and PCs.   N > I.B.M. executives long resisted that course, arguing that personal computersL > were technology products its corporate customers wanted. It held on to the= > business on the theory that it helped hold on to customers.   < 	And that is the only reason.  Full service.  If HP holds on< 	for another year or two, that gives them a year or two edgeC 	as a "full service" provider and no doubt will push that marketing  	advantage.   L > But in the most recent quarter, I.B.M. ranked a distant third in worldwideL > PC sales, with 5.6 percent of the market, according to Gartner, the marketK > research firm. Dell was the leader with 16.8 percent of the world market, J > and Hewlett-Packard, which has absorbed Compaq Computer, had 15 percent.  > 	More reason to get out and HP to stay.  Guess in a sense, IBM% 	is becoming like Sun?  PC-less!  Ha!   M > A sale now, if it happens, would be consistent with the strategy pursued by L > Samuel J. Palmisano, who became I.B.M.'s chief executive early in 2002. HeN > has sold hardware businesses where profits were slender and growth prospectsM > were limited, like its hard disk drive business, which was sold to Hitachi.   @ 	Business management 101.  Why that was GQ's strategy.  FocusingD 	on segments Digital could be 1 or 2 in, hence shedding disk drives,> 	etc.  But IBM shedding disk drives made a whole lot of sense, 	a brutal segment.  G > "Exiting the market may be the only logical choice for global vendors L > bleeding profits and struggling for share," she wrote in a recent researchN > report. And she noted that Hewlett-Packard, a broad-based technology companyJ > where PC's are only part of a much larger business, might face pressures > similar to I.B.M.'s. > M > "The PC divisions of H. P. and I.B.M." Ms. Fiering wrote, "are *vulnerable* K > to being spun off if their *drag* on margins and profitability are deemed ' > too great by their parent companies."   D 	Strategically it probably makes great sense for HP to stay a while.? 	They can claim the high ground, claim "no problem" alluding to  	HP being better than IBM, etc.    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 21:48:50 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: Is Sue OK ?2 Message-ID: <coqjfm$6l1$1@news4.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>   Nomen Nescio wrote: ( > JF Mezei <jfmezei@teksavvy.com> wrote: >  > , >>We haven't heard from Sue in a long while. >>
 >>Is she OK ?  >  > 4 > Is she another one of your multiple personalities? >  You really are a boring twat.   O Sue Skonetski is a wonderful lady working at VMS engineering. Anyone who knows  N her a bit can tell you her energy and drive alone are sufficient to garantuee / the existence of OpenVMS for the next 25 years.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2004 16:00:11 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) Subject: Re: Is Sue OK ?3 Message-ID: <LuUwSI5SKe6p@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <coqjfm$6l1$1@news4.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: Q > Sue Skonetski is a wonderful lady working at VMS engineering. Anyone who knows  P > her a bit can tell you her energy and drive alone are sufficient to garantuee 1 > the existence of OpenVMS for the next 25 years.   K OK, I'm still a stockholder. How do I vote for Sue to be the new CEO of HP?   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"2& 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdfoL     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  J         Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every oneJ         who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve itE         but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you areoC         inevitably ruined. -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788 E   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:20:04 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: Is Sue OK ?, Message-ID: <NqmdnTt_WqoIey3cRVn-hg@igs.net>   Bob Kaplow wrote:o> > In article <coqjfm$6l1$1@news4.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>, Dirk Munk > <munk@home.nl> writes:G >> Sue Skonetski is a wonderful lady working at VMS engineering. AnyonePB >> who knows her a bit can tell you her energy and drive alone areC >> sufficient to garantuee the existence of OpenVMS for the next 25f	 >> years.a >hF > OK, I'm still a stockholder. How do I vote for Sue to be the new CEO > of HP?    I Write-in ballot, or better yet attend the annual meeting and nominate her I from the floor and give a little talk about how the current CEO isn't thes right person for the job.   L Perhaps we can bring a trebuchet to the AGM to fling carly(tm) over the wallG to infect some other company. As a student of medieval history I'm surea she'd get a kick out of it.e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:21:02 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a Subject: Java on VMS, Message-ID: <7KSdnRUq4-QDIS3cRVn-pQ@igs.net>  H A friend of mine is thinking about porting one of his apps to VMS (afterI much arm-twisting by me) and he needs to know everything there is to knowi about java on VMS.  J Does anyone happen to have a good/complete set of url's to explain all the# Java have's and have' not's on VMS?n   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2004 14:14:38 -0600-; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Java on VMS3 Message-ID: <tdXSWpRjVQ9+@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  R In article <7KSdnRUq4-QDIS3cRVn-pQ@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:J > A friend of mine is thinking about porting one of his apps to VMS (afterK > much arm-twisting by me) and he needs to know everything there is to knowo > about java on VMS. > L > Does anyone happen to have a good/complete set of url's to explain all the% > Java have's and have' not's on VMS?.  G    When you download the JDK for VMS, there is documentation and a FAQ e/    about using Java on VMS.  That's everything.w  0    http://h18012.www1.hp.com/java/faq/index.html   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:57:48 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>f Subject: Re: Java on VMS, Message-ID: <S5qdnaLiq8bAfC3cRVn-rQ@igs.net>   Bob Koehler wrote:; > In article <7KSdnRUq4-QDIS3cRVn-pQ@igs.net>, "John Smith"I > <a@nonymous.com> writes:D >> A friend of mine is thinking about porting one of his apps to VMSB >> (after much arm-twisting by me) and he needs to know everything& >> there is to know about java on VMS. >>E >> Does anyone happen to have a good/complete set of url's to explain . >> all the Java have's and have' not's on VMS? >CH >    When you download the JDK for VMS, there is documentation and a FAQ1 >    about using Java on VMS.  That's everything.r >o2 >    http://h18012.www1.hp.com/java/faq/index.html   Thank you sir.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:38:44 -0000e1 From: wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer)h Subject: Re: Java on VMS1 Message-ID: <95B4B8AA0wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>e  F a@nonymous.com (John Smith) wrote in <7KSdnRUq4-QDIS3cRVn-pQ@igs.net>:  I >A friend of mine is thinking about porting one of his apps to VMS (aftertJ >much arm-twisting by me) and he needs to know everything there is to know >about java on VMS.e >oK >Does anyone happen to have a good/complete set of url's to explain all theo$ >Java have's and have' not's on VMS?  C I remember one of Hof's postings about a year ago: "... it's Java".p  L I believe he was saying it meets the full Java specification, so you should I encounter no differences within the Java environment between the OpenVMS v' platform and other compliant platforms.s   ws   --   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2004 15:00:55 -0800i* From: thierry.uso@wanadoo.fr (Thierry USO) Subject: Re: Java on VMS= Message-ID: <79c022e7.0412031500.58bf2cd5@posting.google.com>w  W "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<7KSdnRUq4-QDIS3cRVn-pQ@igs.net>...tJ > A friend of mine is thinking about porting one of his apps to VMS (afterK > much arm-twisting by me) and he needs to know everything there is to knowW > about java on VMS. > L > Does anyone happen to have a good/complete set of url's to explain all the% > Java have's and have' not's on VMS?m  - http://h18012.www1.hp.com/java/documentation/oN http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ebusiness/optimizingsdkguide/optimizingsdkguide.html   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2004 23:41:35 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.comP Subject: Re: Java on VMS+ Message-ID: <coqtjf0nej@enews2.newsguy.com>c  " John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:J > A friend of mine is thinking about porting one of his apps to VMS (afterK > much arm-twisting by me) and he needs to know everything there is to knowr > about java on VMS.  L > Does anyone happen to have a good/complete set of url's to explain all the% > Java have's and have' not's on VMS?e  J Is the app already written in Java?  If so has he simply tried to run it? : Isn't the whole purpose of Java, write once, run anywhere?   		Zane   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:13:36 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>y Subject: Re: Java on VMS, Message-ID: <ULOdnUHeoocciCzcRVn-qA@igs.net>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:$ > John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:D >> A friend of mine is thinking about porting one of his apps to VMSB >> (after much arm-twisting by me) and he needs to know everything& >> there is to know about java on VMS. >eE >> Does anyone happen to have a good/complete set of url's to explainn. >> all the Java have's and have' not's on VMS? >.G > Is the app already written in Java?  If so has he simply tried to runi@ > it? Isn't the whole purpose of Java, write once, run anywhere?     Write once, crash anywhere ;-)  J Parts of his app are in C++ so there's some work to be done on that front.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:31:18 -0800B# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>. Subject: Re: News Server( Message-ID: <opsigbeglzzgicya@hyrrokkin>  D On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:37:33 +0000 (UTC), Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER   <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote:   7 > In article <1N9iAEpB5LOv@eisner.encompasserve.org>,   1 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:,C >> Enlighten us all regarding how many customers would pay how muchaD >> for a top-notch news server.  Start with how much they are paying1 >> for the same thing on other operating systems.  >"H > Iff ISPs do get serious about newsservers there might be a chance that) > some of them consider VMS. But I doubt., >nE > You may know, I use two different ISP on two locations. One has a    > newsserverK > where there a about 100 postings in comp.os.vms for the last 6 months (!)tK > and the other has a newsserver (not its own, but its partners) where in    > theeD > last month I had a success rate of about 1% to get a successfull   > connectionH > ("400 too many users" or "412 operation failed" or a simple disconnectJ > accessing an article). Iff I had a better contract, I would have had a   > caseK > against the provider, but I have a standard contract without SLA for NEWSrI > and other ISPs are most likely not better. So things won't change for  n > NNTP.q   Why not use Uni berlin?6   -- 4C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/a   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2004 22:34:30 GMT/ From: healyzh@aracnet.coms Subject: Re: News Server+ Message-ID: <coqplm0d8s@enews1.newsguy.com>a  * George Cook <cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> wrote:I > With DNEWS on VMS we have never had any type of rebuild or news relatedyF > downtime in the five or so years we have used it.  The DNEWS processE > has run non-stop for over 500 days, and then the only reason for itk& > not running longer was VMS upgrades.  G Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be possible to buy DNEWS for OpenVMS L anymore.  They offer versions for most Unix varients, and Windows, but there is no longer one for OpenVMS..   		Zane   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2004 13:42:01 -0800.. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)1 Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org  comp.os.vms link failed = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0412031342.318a7fcf@posting.google.com>o  } clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) wrote in message news:<Axw5BU7jgwgJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>...rx > In article <1101982184.952623.216270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:7 > > As Google changed the format of the News Group tool 9 > > I ask to Ken Farmer to change the OpenVMS.org button.d > > I use it a lot ;-) > >  > > Regardso > >  > > Fabio Cardoso  > >  > / > That new Google style is absolutely horrible.      Agreed.a    wF > It looks like it has been designed by a Microsoftie let loose with a > HTML tool for the first time.     D Agreed. I've already to Google responded with my review. I hope they get swamped with complaints.    8 The old style is still available, at least as I post, at  E http://groups.google.com/groups?q=COMP.OS.VMS&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=enL       >  > Simon.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 01:29:17 GMTa( From: Tom O'Toole <ereiamjh@pacbell.net>< Subject: Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 2007+ Message-ID: <41B111BD.727D293E@pacbell.net>    JF Mezei wrote:h > = > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/0,39020645,39175381,00.htmv > N > Gartner says that possibly 3 of the top 10 PC manufacturers, with HP and IBMO > mentioned as likely candidates would pull out of the PC market by 2007 to cut!I > losses. This may involve spinning off the business or shutting it down.0 > N > Of course, this is the same gartner that is (so far) over 10 years late with6 > its prediction that VMS would be officially retired.  > I'm tempted to say, gartner are fools, but my god they must beD brilliant, who else could make so much money convincing so many high; level managers to listen to their crap. It's truly amazing.t    O > BTW, Has HP now completely stopped using the "Compaq" brand ? I see plenty ofg* > HP Pavillion ads on TV, none for Compaq.  = We have "HP compaq" PCs, 2.6G celeron, they are not that old.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 21:50:01 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e< Subject: Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 2007, Message-ID: <a9WdnQOFLfVEuCzcRVn-3Q@igs.net>   Tom O'Toole wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:g >>> >> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/0,39020645,39175381,00.htm >>G >> Gartner says that possibly 3 of the top 10 PC manufacturers, with HPtB >> and IBM mentioned as likely candidates would pull out of the PCB >> market by 2007 to cut losses. This may involve spinning off the  >> business or shutting it down. >>E >> Of course, this is the same gartner that is (so far) over 10 years<A >> late with its prediction that VMS would be officially retired.o >0@ > I'm tempted to say, gartner are fools, but my god they must beF > brilliant, who else could make so much money convincing so many high= > level managers to listen to their crap. It's truly amazing.f >u >eF >> BTW, Has HP now completely stopped using the "Compaq" brand ? I see5 >> plenty of HP Pavillion ads on TV, none for Compaq.. > ? > We have "HP compaq" PCs, 2.6G celeron, they are not that old.-    K According to Bill Wayman, HP has about 4 1/2 weeks of inventory in the pipemK now. Whether they kill the Compaq brand or not, it would take a short whilenF for them to ship it all and then another 2-3 months for it to sell out through distribution.e  L If they decide to kill the brand (and that's just rumor), I would not expectG them to announce it until their major distributors had sold the bulk ofPE it....discontinued brands require price protection by Hp and when the>K distributors are holding a 'damaged brand' they'll be calling for checks tok@ be cut by HP. HP will want to minimize this sort of cash outlay.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:03:30 -0600* From: Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com># Subject: pathworks and domain trust Q Message-ID: <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F950@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>d  J Does pathworks have a way to configure at #Pre #Dom with a local host file like lmhost does in windows?      A CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including allcL attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it isL addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed,L copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject toJ intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed andG are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please9H notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and thenH immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without* copying, distributing or disclosing same.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2004 17:53:07 -0600.- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: Re: pathworks and domain trustr3 Message-ID: <7c0NAe5yw0tI@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  ~ In article <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F950@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>, Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com> writes:L > Does pathworks have a way to configure at #Pre #Dom with a local host file > like lmhost does in windows? >  >  > C > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including allBN > attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it isN > addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed,N > copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject toL > intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed andI > are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please J > notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and thenJ > immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without, > copying, distributing or disclosing same.   G Sorry, I think that says we are not allowed to answer your question :-)A   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 23:44:57 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)+ Subject: Re: SMTP: hosting multiple domainsn$ Message-ID: <coqtpp$51n$8@online.de>  5 In article <41B07C81.B63569C5@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei-' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: D  N > Lets say that MX extries  chocolate.com and  pastry.org both point to my VMS. > machine with TCPIP Services 5.3 (VAX) on it. > L > What must I do so that the SMTP software will receive and properly processB > emails destined for either hosts and deliver it to local users ? >  > eg:. > ? > jdoe@chocolate.com gets delivered on my machine to user jdoe.r< > jdoe@pastry.org gets delivered on my machine to user jdoe. > P > What commands in TCPIP> of config lines in the smtp config files must I add to> > ensure that the SMTP software sees those as local messages ? > N > Does the symbiont just do an MX transation of pastry.org, finds out that theJ > responsible server has an IP address which matches the IP address of the3 > server and thus knows to deliver it via VMSmail ?t   You need a file called t  >    SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSx.TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOCAL_ALIASES.TXT   then put in it      chocolate.com
    pastry.orga   etc.  + You can get the effect for ONE domain with b  1    TCPIP SET CONFIGURATION SMTP/SUBSTITUTE_DOMAINv  E but this is an ugly hack and will also re-write the From: header (as -F default for all users), which might be what you want, or might not be.  F Personally, I use both, the latter for the default From: header (with F the side effect that such mail will be treated as local) and the text F file so that I can receive mail to all the domains I need.  Each user E can then use the TCPIP$SMTP_FROM logical to set his own From: header t appropriately.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2004 16:57:07 -0800 , From: jeremybarker@email.com (Jeremy Barker) Subject: Re: Value of VAX ft810i= Message-ID: <5b86b9ee.0412031657.599b00fd@posting.google.com>   s spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<b096a4ee.0411151000.42a41b8d@posting.google.com>...c1 > Richard Tomkins (tomkinsr\a\istop.com) wrote...y > 
 > [beg quote]a >  > WOW!' > Is the system functional/operational?a- > A Fault Tolerant VAX is a rare bird indeed.oN > Do the serial numbers on the cabinets begin with KA? If so I may have worked > on it. > 6 > This is a true hardware based Fault Tolerant system. > I > The system runs OpenVMS with a small optional package to make the faultaN > tolerant hardware work. Once that is installed, all software that runs on itL > is fault tolerant, completely. No funny link libraries or special software# > packages to build into your code.l >  > rttt > 
 > [end quote]c >  > OK, sorry for the late reply.M > 9 > It says KA560AA on the front of the CPU and I/O boards.u  E That wasn't the code that was asked about.  That's the model number. eC The serial number will be 2 letters followed by a longish string ofiD digits.  The letters indicate the plant that built the hardware - KA is Kanata, Ontario.    jb   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 23:26:16 GMTr3 From: "James T. Sprinkle" <oicmrsnakes@hotmail.com>-& Subject: VAX Hobbyist In The Making...0 Message-ID: <sC6sd.21$8%.2450@news-west.eli.net>  L Hi!  I have posted before about running a VAX 6000 series machine under homeH (dryer outlet) power (USA).  I found a good explanation on how to do theL conversion from 3 phase to something compatible with a home dryer outlet andF I was wondering if anyone out there is running a VAX with this type ofJ configuration?  I have decided to try to get this beast working instead ofJ trading it or selling it, so any help would be greatly appreciated.  Also,L if you are in the Seattle/Tacoma/Olympia area (Washington) and are scrappingL any VAX machines, media, or documentation, please let me know.  If things goG as planned, I will set up a web site detailing my progress if anyone isZJ interested.  I was a VAX admin (VMS) during the mid-90s on 6000 series and8 would like to get this one working for nostalgia's sake.  0 The web site I saw the power conversion on was :  4 http://aurora.regenstrief.org/~schadow/VAX/power.txt   Thanks for your interest.e   James T. Sprinklen   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Dec 2004 18:58:43 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.comt) Subject: Re: What happened to SIMH ?!?!?!o, Message-ID: <coqd1302hd0@enews4.newsguy.com>  & Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net> wrote:J > Basically, the machine got knocked out by a large storm and they haven't > recovered yet.  I A storm knocked down trees, which in turn knocked down lines.  End resulto, Tim's been without power and/or electricity.   		Zane   ------------------------------    Date: 03 Dec 2004 15:44:01 -05003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com>tI Subject: Re: Wish list: Linux/simh/VMS distribution for CF 4GB hard drivee. Message-ID: <mddvfbjnmcu.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  % "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:c   > C.W.Holeman II wrote:T   >> Wish list item:  B >> A DVD Linux distribution with simh and VMS ready to go that can< >> be placed on a bootable CompactFlash size 4GB hard drive.  B > How about a version that can run on a iPaq or something similar?   > PocketVMS (tm)  by John Smithf  K After all, a young friend of mine put the KS emulator on his Zaurus and ran  Tops-20 there...   -- tL Rich Alderson                                       | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |L news@alderson.users.panix.com                       | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |L                          --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:16:36 +0100, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>/ Subject: Re: [Netherlands] two  free VAX 3400'sr, Message-ID: <31bsdoF38iiuaU1@individual.net>  I "Michiel Erens" <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid> schreef inr% bericht news:41af61d5$1@news.nb.nu...cE > I noticed an ad at Marktplaats that someone has two free Vax 3400's-3 > for free, available in Den Haag, the Netherlands.mI >   http://www.marktplaats.nl/index.php3?url=/markt/hardware/sun/4775.htme# > Maybe someone here is interested.Y >zL Noticed them too, but too heavy to lift them up the stairs, too large to fit2 in a car and too expensive in power consumption...   Hans   > --   > ME > Posted by news://news.nb.nuu   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 23:28:17 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)& Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.4] ECO 4 is out$ Message-ID: <coqsqg$51n$7@online.de>  G In article <%ZErd.24467$Mu3.1502309@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Kennethe0 Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> writes:   O > "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> p1 > wrote in message news:con2e3$nd5$2@online.de...DH > > In article <con25r$nd5$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de6 > > (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > >uL > >> Also, if it is already on the FTP server, I'm curious that I didn't getM > >> a mail from the openvms.org notification service.  Normally, they arrive<H > >> BEFORE the patch gets there (as in the case for TRACE3.0 a few days
 > >> ago). > >2G > > Actually, I just checked and the 7.3-1 TRACE3.0 isn't there yet....  > >A >  > O > "VMS731_TRACE-V0300, ECO Kit Release"  was the last one I received and sent, uM > which for those not subscribed to the OpenVMS Alerts mailing list, was Nov y > 29th.e  H I got the mail from the list, but it wasn't on the FTP server after the  usual time.w   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.672 ************************