1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 04 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 673       Contents:- Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX - Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX : Re: HP Layoffs in New Hampshire the week ending 3-Dec-2004: Re: HP Layoffs in New Hampshire the week ending 3-Dec-2004? Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS , It's crunch time ... to survive HP must  ...0 Re: It's crunch time ... to survive HP must  ...0 Re: It's crunch time ... to survive HP must  ...0 Re: It's crunch time ... to survive HP must  ...- Re: OLE for Process Control (OPC) on an Alpha - Re: OLE for Process Control (OPC) on an Alpha 3 Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 2007 3 Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 2007 3 Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 2007 3 Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 2007 3 Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 2007 3 Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 2007  Re: pathworks and domain trust; Re: Reinstalling DECwindows after losing it during upgrade? ; Re: Reinstalling DECwindows after losing it during upgrade?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2004 16:20:52 GMT ! From: Lee Witten <lw99@yahoo.com> 6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX/ Message-ID: <Xns95B5EDA52D09Bnn48@199.125.85.9>   G "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in news:-cKdnTzoNuDDAC3cRVn-  vQ@metrocastcablevision.com:K > Both speculations certainly fit well with HP's manifest reluctance to own J > any technology that it can possibly buy instead, even if not at anything > like equivalent quality.  F It's ironic that back in the early 90s DEC was evaluating file system I technologies for *nix, and the two main contenders were AdvFS (which was  L written by DEC Research) and Veritas (after all, they were already familiar K with the Veritas volume manager, which was the basis of the LSM product).   F And DEC chose AdvFS for the exact opposite reason you give above: DEC E wanted to be able to say they had better technology than anyone else.   J Whether that was even true was quite debatable: it took several years for D AdvFS to mature to the point where its virtues outweighed its vices.  I And therein lies the central tension in the *nix market: a vendor adopts  K *nix so they can say they are standards compliant but the first thing they  J seek to do is provide some sort of 'market differentiation' i.e. a reason 4 for you to buy their stuff instead of someone elses.  K VMS er OpenVMS fell into this trap, too - they call the product OpenVMS to  G emphasis the standards compliance, yet emphasize its unique attributes  ( (reliability, clusters, etc) to sell it.  J IBM falls into this with their Linux strategy: they can promote Linux all K they want, but when push comes to shove people can buy Red Hat and slap it  = onto any old wintel box - IBM has no product differentiation.   F The truth is the majority of customer buy on price first, and the one J standard that the majority insist on is the Windows ABI, again mainly due 4 to price, which has made it the standard, not POSIX.   --lw--   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:51:27 -0600 " From: bugs@pu.net (Mark Hittinger)6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX0 Message-ID: <DKCdnePo3faSdizcRVn_vQ@comcast.com>  # Lee Witten <lw99@yahoo.com> writes: K >Whether that was even true was quite debatable: it took several years for  E >AdvFS to mature to the point where its virtues outweighed its vices.   K Agree with your points.  Its probably worth saying that the differentiation E that the vendors are offering are really just vaporware promises with , partial implementations available initially.  N When VAXclusters were first announced the promised features like shadowing andJ journaling were not yet available.  Over time DEC did eventually implementO them but unbundled them and attempted to sell them seperately.  Older customers G who had "bought on the promise" were able to get a free license for the > old systems bought this way - but not their expansion systems.  J By the time these perpetrating vendors _do_ get their vaporware coded and K tested the stuff is generally overcome by newer technology.  In the end its H just an exercise in vendors trying to hold on to their installed base byG offering false hopes.  The false hopes are always dashed by the vendor  G eventually caving to the reality of new technology or a new cost level.   5 Let the customer (and those who support them) beware.   M ...And its better to be the customer who dashes the hopes of their old vendor I by dabbling with and then embracing the new technology first.  I must say  that is a lot more fun! :-)    Later    Mark Hittinger bugs@pu.net    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2004 08:28:18 GMT 2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>C Subject: Re: HP Layoffs in New Hampshire the week ending 3-Dec-2004 ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-nKjF4D1B5Ygx@dave2_os2.home.ours>   E On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:55:20 UTC, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:    > Larry Kilgallen wrote:D > >> NASHUA, N.H. -- Hewlett-Packard Co. has laid off workers in New) > >> Hampshire but will not say how many.  > >>I > >> A company spokeswoman said Thursday only that "there were work force / > >> actions taken in New Hampshire this week."  > >  > > N > http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2004/12/03/new_hamps > hire_news_in_brief/  >  > M > "HP announced today that effective immediately, Hewlett-Packard Development M > Company, L.P. has become a wholly-owned subsidiary of Hewlett Packard Uttar M > Pradesh Limited.  All U.S. based employees will have their paychecks issued G > in Bangalore, India and they will be mailed via regular surface mail. M > Payments will be made in rupees and employees will be responsible for their I > own foreign-exchange conversions into US pesos. These actions are being L > taken to ensure that this year's bonus payments for carly(tm) can be fully
 > funded." >  >   * Jesus John!  I almost believed it !!! :))   F However, its's a good allegory if nowt else.  My sympathies for those # affected (by the actual situation).    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2004 08:28:21 GMT 2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>C Subject: Re: HP Layoffs in New Hampshire the week ending 3-Dec-2004 ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-TOxkezJlK4rf@dave2_os2.home.ours>   E On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 22:03:57 UTC, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:    > Michael D. Ober wrote:6 > > Here's a better article from the Nashua Telegraph. > >  > > N > http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041203/BUSINESS/ > 112030015  > > H > > Unfortunately, even the public affairs office at the VMS facility on3 > > Spitbrook Rd won't answer any questions either.  > >  > > Mike Ober. >  > K > ""I can confirm that there were workforce actions taken in NH this week," H > Monica Sarkar, director of corporate media relations of the Palo Alto, > Calif.-based company..." > L > During WWII, the SS also had 'aktions'. They too referred to liquidations. > L > For those who recall history, all I can say is -- good choice of words HP. >  >   E "workforce actions" - that's the expression I was trying to remember  7 when discussing similar goings-on around our workplace.    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2004 04:58:33 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)H Subject: Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0412040458.6a6a3e3c@posting.google.com>   > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<6 > > O > > "The PC divisions of H. P. and I.B.M." Ms. Fiering wrote, "are *vulnerable* M > > to being spun off if their *drag* on margins and profitability are deemed ) > > too great by their parent companies."  > F > 	Strategically it probably makes great sense for HP to stay a while.A > 	They can claim the high ground, claim "no problem" alluding to ! > 	HP being better than IBM, etc.  > 	 > 				Rob   @ I didn't know that in business it strategically makes good senseA to loose money?  What Carly needs to do is to open up the OpenVMS > market machine and pit it head to head againset linux ... they@ would then destroy the linux market and have a unique product in@ VMS that other os's only dream about ... that is the only way to, avoid becoming just another printer company!   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2004 05:06:15 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)5 Subject: It's crunch time ... to survive HP must  ... = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0412040506.52dfbe2a@posting.google.com>   5 1. offer free VMS licenses to all tru64 customers and 3    even free porting assistance ... this would give 5    them better security and clustering then what they .    have already and lighten the bitterness ...  5 2. FORGET linux!  Open the VMS market flood gates ... 1    get aggressive on license fees ... that allows 6    2 things to happen ... you destroy the linux market7    and you boost itanium sales ... a win win situation! 3    Otherwise, you slowly fad into the IT sunset and *    become just another printer company ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 16:14:36 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>9 Subject: Re: It's crunch time ... to survive HP must  ... * Message-ID: <41B1E26C.6060203@prodigy.net>   Bob Ceculski wrote: 7 > 1. offer free VMS licenses to all tru64 customers and 5 >    even free porting assistance ... this would give 7 >    them better security and clustering then what they 0 >    have already and lighten the bitterness ... > 7 > 2. FORGET linux!  Open the VMS market flood gates ... 3 >    get aggressive on license fees ... that allows 8 >    2 things to happen ... you destroy the linux market9 >    and you boost itanium sales ... a win win situation! 5 >    Otherwise, you slowly fad into the IT sunset and , >    become just another printer company ...  > Ain't gonna happen, so I guess you're predicting their demise.   --  D The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2004 11:34:03 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)9 Subject: Re: It's crunch time ... to survive HP must  ... 3 Message-ID: <7h3l6ipJaxOy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <d7791aa1.0412040506.52dfbe2a@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:7 > 1. offer free VMS licenses to all tru64 customers and 5 >    even free porting assistance ... this would give 7 >    them better security and clustering then what they 0 >    have already and lighten the bitterness ... > 7 > 2. FORGET linux!  Open the VMS market flood gates ... 3 >    get aggressive on license fees ... that allows 8 >    2 things to happen ... you destroy the linux market9 >    and you boost itanium sales ... a win win situation! 5 >    Otherwise, you slowly fad into the IT sunset and , >    become just another printer company ...  " You mean overpriced INK company...  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  B         The problem with governments is that citizens need to keepD         them on a short leash; unfortunately the nature of the beastD         is such that governments can usually arrange it so that only"         they hold their own leash.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2004 09:59:50 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)9 Subject: Re: It's crunch time ... to survive HP must  ... = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0412040959.1f2c5e54@posting.google.com>   m bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0412040506.52dfbe2a@posting.google.com>... 7 > 1. offer free VMS licenses to all tru64 customers and 5 >    even free porting assistance ... this would give 7 >    them better security and clustering then what they 0 >    have already and lighten the bitterness ...  6 and I should have added to this free compiler licenses5 and maybe even free itaniums to complete the gesture!    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 08:51:02 +0100) From: "Jean Mertens" <jmertens@skynet.be> 6 Subject: Re: OLE for Process Control (OPC) on an Alpha5 Message-ID: <41b16c0c$0$7837$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>   ; If you did receive any answer about OPC client for Open Vms  (Vax,Alpha,Itanium)  I'm very much interrested .    Jean Mertens    7 "Ivan Lowe" <vms@dynsim.com> a crit dans le message de 4 news:s3ynd.17033$Y7.337@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...K > Has anyone come across an OPC Client that can operate under Alpha OpenVMS  >  > Thanks >  > Ivan >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 15:18:28 -00006 From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk>6 Subject: Re: OLE for Process Control (OPC) on an Alpha5 Message-ID: <41b1d547$0$1064$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>   4 "Jean Mertens" <jmertens@skynet.be> wrote in message/ news:41b16c0c$0$7837$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be... = > If you did receive any answer about OPC client for Open Vms  > (Vax,Alpha,Itanium)  > I'm very much interrested .  >  > Jean Mertens >  >   . http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_3244.html   Alex   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 06:53:41 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) < Subject: Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 20073 Message-ID: <V9dsd.72901$g21.2737@fe1.texas.rr.com>   ) Tom O'Toole (ereiamjh@pacbell.net) wrote:  : JF Mezei wrote:  : > ? : > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/0,39020645,39175381,00.htm  : > I : > Gartner says that possibly 3 of the top 10 PC manufacturers, with HP  K : > and IBM mentioned as likely candidates would pull out of the PC market  I : > by 2007 to cut losses. This may involve spinning off the business or   : >shutting it down. : > L : > Of course, this is the same gartner that is (so far) over 10 years late = : > with its prediction that VMS would be officially retired.  : @ : I'm tempted to say, gartner are fools, but my god they must beF : brilliant, who else could make so much money convincing so many high= : level managers to listen to their crap. It's truly amazing.  :  :   " Here's another Gartner prediction:  '    http://masl.gnomehack.com/?Z1B661CE9 A    Gartner: Half of U.S. IT operations jobs to vanish in 20 years   & The original link, wrapped to 2 lines:  A    http://www.computerworld.com/careertopics/careers/labor/story/     0,10801,97945,00.htmlA    Gartner: Half of U.S. IT operations jobs to vanish in 20 years   , It'll probably take much less than 20 years.   --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 09:59:52 GMT & From: Israel T <rambam@bigpond.net.au>< Subject: Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 2007* Message-ID: <87sm6mpen6.fsf@kafka.homenet>  O >> Gartner says that possibly 3 of the top 10 PC manufacturers, with HP and IBM P >> mentioned as likely candidates would pull out of the PC market by 2007 to cutJ >> losses. This may involve spinning off the business or shutting it down. >>  @ > I'm tempted to say, gartner are fools, but my god they must beF > brilliant, who else could make so much money convincing so many high= > level managers to listen to their crap. It's truly amazing.  >   Q "The New York Times reported IBM is in serious discussions with the Lenovo Group, E  China's biggest maker of personal computers, and at least one other  ^ unidentified prospective buyer for a sale that could bring between $1 billion and $2 billion. D Other possible buyers could include Japan's Toshiba, analysts said."     Sounds like IBM is getting out.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:01:20 GMT & From: Israel T <rambam@bigpond.net.au>< Subject: Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 2007* Message-ID: <87oehapekq.fsf@kafka.homenet>  - LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) writes:     $ > Here's another Gartner prediction:  C >    http://www.computerworld.com/careertopics/careers/labor/story/  >    0,10801,97945,00.htmlC >    Gartner: Half of U.S. IT operations jobs to vanish in 20 years  > . > It'll probably take much less than 20 years.  % Five to ten years sounds about right.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 11:32:48 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) < Subject: Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 20074 Message-ID: <Afhsd.72927$g21.65277@fe1.texas.rr.com>  ' Israel T (rambam@bigpond.net.au) wrote: / : LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) writes:  :  : & : > Here's another Gartner prediction: : E : >    http://www.computerworld.com/careertopics/careers/labor/story/  : >    0,10801,97945,00.htmlE : >    Gartner: Half of U.S. IT operations jobs to vanish in 20 years  : > 0 : > It'll probably take much less than 20 years. : ' : Five to ten years sounds about right.  :   ! That agrees with this prediction:   4    http://inhome.rediff.com/money/2004/aug/26bpo.htm/    'All US tech jobs will move out in a decade'   /   "'All US tech jobs will move out in a decade'     August 26, 2004 12:04 IST  F    Every technology-related job in the United States would be moved toA    overseas destinations within a decade as relocation of jobs to G    countries like India would enable firms to cut costs, a top American     businesswomen has said.  E    "That is a scary concept," Kathy Brittain White, who was named the 6    Forbes Top 25 American Businesswomen in 2001, said.  F    "If something is not done in 10 years, every technology job will beA    overseas," White, a former CIO of Cardinal Health Inc, said on 
    Wednesday.   I    The global market for outsourcing will grow at an annual rate of 7 per H    cent to hit $1.2 trillion by 2007. By relocating work from Europe andI    the United States to countries such as India, global firms are cutting (    costs by up to 40 per cent, she said.  I    White said manufacturing and technology sectors were not the only ones I    facing the outsourcing threat. New York Lawyer, a legal magazine, said E    in a recent issue that garment makers and steelworkers are not the ;    only ones competing with lower-paid counterparts abroad.   D    "Spurred by the slow economy, many in-house legal departments areE    cutting costs by relying less on US counsel and more on lawyers in F    India, New Zealand, South Korea, and other countries," the magazine    said.  F    But bar association rules make sending legal work overseas far more    complicated, it added."     --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 09:22:21 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> < Subject: Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 2007, Message-ID: <TImdnXFgVYWAVSzcRVn-1Q@igs.net>  
 leslie wrote: ) > Israel T (rambam@bigpond.net.au) wrote: 0 >> LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) writes: >> >>& >>> Here's another Gartner prediction: >>E >>>    http://www.computerworld.com/careertopics/careers/labor/story/  >>>    0,10801,97945,00.htmlE >>>    Gartner: Half of U.S. IT operations jobs to vanish in 20 years  >>> 0 >>> It'll probably take much less than 20 years. >>( >> Five to ten years sounds about right. >> > # > That agrees with this prediction:  > 6 >    http://inhome.rediff.com/money/2004/aug/26bpo.htm1 >    'All US tech jobs will move out in a decade'  > 1 >   "'All US tech jobs will move out in a decade'  >    August 26, 2004 12:04 IST > H >    Every technology-related job in the United States would be moved toC >    overseas destinations within a decade as relocation of jobs to @ >    countries like India would enable firms to cut costs, a top% >    American businesswomen has said.  > G >    "That is a scary concept," Kathy Brittain White, who was named the 8 >    Forbes Top 25 American Businesswomen in 2001, said. > H >    "If something is not done in 10 years, every technology job will beC >    overseas," White, a former CIO of Cardinal Health Inc, said on  >    Wednesday.  > G >    The global market for outsourcing will grow at an annual rate of 7 C >    per cent to hit $1.2 trillion by 2007. By relocating work from D >    Europe and the United States to countries such as India, global< >    firms are cutting costs by up to 40 per cent, she said. > F >    White said manufacturing and technology sectors were not the onlyA >    ones facing the outsourcing threat. New York Lawyer, a legal = >    magazine, said in a recent issue that garment makers and A >    steelworkers are not the only ones competing with lower-paid  > counterparts abroad. > F >    "Spurred by the slow economy, many in-house legal departments areG >    cutting costs by relying less on US counsel and more on lawyers in H >    India, New Zealand, South Korea, and other countries," the magazine
 >    said. > H >    But bar association rules make sending legal work overseas far more >    complicated, it added."    I Don't worry about the lawyers....they'll soon get a law passed forbidding < the off-shoring of legal work.....just remember who controls Congress......lawyers.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 16:43:08 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) < Subject: Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 20074 Message-ID: <wOlsd.71136$KQ2.40025@fe2.texas.rr.com>  " John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote: : leslie wrote: + : > Israel T (rambam@bigpond.net.au) wrote: 2 : >> LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) writes: : >>( : >>> Here's another Gartner prediction: : >>G : >>>    http://www.computerworld.com/careertopics/careers/labor/story/  : >>>    0,10801,97945,00.htmlG : >>>    Gartner: Half of U.S. IT operations jobs to vanish in 20 years  : >>> 2 : >>> It'll probably take much less than 20 years. : >>* : >> Five to ten years sounds about right. : >> : > % : > That agrees with this prediction:  : > 8 : >    http://inhome.rediff.com/money/2004/aug/26bpo.htm3 : >    'All US tech jobs will move out in a decade'  : > 3 : >   "'All US tech jobs will move out in a decade'   : >    August 26, 2004 12:04 IST : > J : >    Every technology-related job in the United States would be moved toE : >    overseas destinations within a decade as relocation of jobs to B : >    countries like India would enable firms to cut costs, a top' : >    American businesswomen has said.  : > I : >    "That is a scary concept," Kathy Brittain White, who was named the : : >    Forbes Top 25 American Businesswomen in 2001, said. : > J : >    "If something is not done in 10 years, every technology job will beE : >    overseas," White, a former CIO of Cardinal Health Inc, said on  : >    Wednesday.  : > I : >    The global market for outsourcing will grow at an annual rate of 7 E : >    per cent to hit $1.2 trillion by 2007. By relocating work from F : >    Europe and the United States to countries such as India, global> : >    firms are cutting costs by up to 40 per cent, she said. : > H : >    White said manufacturing and technology sectors were not the onlyC : >    ones facing the outsourcing threat. New York Lawyer, a legal ? : >    magazine, said in a recent issue that garment makers and C : >    steelworkers are not the only ones competing with lower-paid  : > counterparts abroad. : > H : >    "Spurred by the slow economy, many in-house legal departments areI : >    cutting costs by relying less on US counsel and more on lawyers in J : >    India, New Zealand, South Korea, and other countries," the magazine : >    said. : > J : >    But bar association rules make sending legal work overseas far more : >    complicated, it added." :  : K : Don't worry about the lawyers....they'll soon get a law passed forbidding > : the off-shoring of legal work.....just remember who controls : Congress......lawyers. :   D Don't forget who pays the members of Congress: corporations, and how money-hungry lawyers are :  =    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/426946.cms :    Now, outsourcing to hit US lawyers - The Economic Times  2    http://www.atlaslegal.com/atlasBusineemode.html    Atlas legal Research   D   "Where do you go to find some of the world's best lawyers to writeG    top-quality legal briefs and memos for about the price of a discount     airline ticket?      Answer: We go to INDIA!..."  H 112 Democrats and 74 Republicans belong to the  Congressional Caucus on  India and Indian-Americans:   ?    http://www.usindiafriendship.net/congress/caucus/caucus.html 5    Congressional Caucus on India and Indian-Americans   " And the Senate has its own caucus:  E    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?msid=593175 8    Senators form 'Friends of India' - The Times of India   --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 07:51:53 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)' Subject: Re: pathworks and domain trust 0 Message-ID: <newscache$x6t68i$dd2$1@news.sil.at>  ~ In article <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F950@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>, Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com> writes:K >Does pathworks have a way to configure at #Pre #Dom with a local host file  >like lmhost does in windows?   + Yes. Exactly this. See PWRK$LANMAN:LMHOSTS.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2004 08:34:38 GMT 7 From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) D Subject: Re: Reinstalling DECwindows after losing it during upgrade?$ Message-ID: <2004Dec4.083438@hujicc>  @ Thanks toall who answered but it seems I am in a deeper problem:  8 >> I recall there was DECW$TAILOR but I can't find it... > W > DECW$TAILOR is in SYS$UPDATE. This deals with only basic root of DECwidnows software.   . I can't find it anywhere on the system disk...  K > You then need to install the separate product, I believe DWMOTIF which is  > considered a layered product.   G DWMOTIF doesn't want to install until I install the basic DECwindows...    Any more ideas please?  5                                      Thanks,__Yehavi:    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2004 08:05:58 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) D Subject: Re: Reinstalling DECwindows after losing it during upgrade?3 Message-ID: <qscI8TP$Yasr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <2004Dec4.083438@hujicc>, yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) writes:B > Thanks toall who answered but it seems I am in a deeper problem: > 9 >>> I recall there was DECW$TAILOR but I can't find it...  >>  X >> DECW$TAILOR is in SYS$UPDATE. This deals with only basic root of DECwidnows software. > 0 > I can't find it anywhere on the system disk...  B Can't find DECW$TAILOR ?  Are you sure you are talking about VAX ?  - 	By the way, it is decw$tailor.EXE, not .com.   * Or can't find the VMS DECwindows support ?  9 	That should be on the distribution CD-ROM, regardless of  	architecture.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.673 ************************