1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 05 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 674       Contents:- Re: AlphaStation 200 4/233 does not power up.  Re: Carly's challenge  Re: Carly's challenge " Free Desktop Computer---Not a Scam- Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX - Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX : Re: HP Layoffs in New Hampshire the week ending 3-Dec-2004? Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS ? Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS ? Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS  Re: Is Sue OK ?  Re: Is Sue OK ?  Re: Is Sue OK ? 0 Re: It's crunch time ... to survive HP must  ... Re: Java on VMS  Re: News Server   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 05:10:36 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) 6 Subject: Re: AlphaStation 200 4/233 does not power up.( Message-ID: <cou58c$gml$1@pcls4.std.com>  ' "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> writes:   ( >Two weeks ago we had a power outage.=20: >Since then we cannot switch on an AlphaStation 200 4/233.@ >If the power switch is pressed, a short click is heard from the; >internal speaker, but nothing else happens. No green LEDs.   A VERY common for alphastation 200 power supplies to die like this. C The power supply comes on for a fraction of a second and then shuts C down (either due to a defective safety circuit, or a safety circuit D detecting a real problem).  I have two that died the same exact way.C One I replaced the power supply with a generic PC one, the other is  still dead.   E The one I fixed (typing on it now) was a bit of a project.  I had to  I replace the motherboard connectors as well as figure out what to do with  H every single output, and make sure I got everything right as the PC and H alphastation power supplies used entirely different color codes for the J different voltages to prevent frying things (blue and yellow were reversed for example, +/- 12 votes) --   -Mike    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:43:38 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: Carly's challenge, Message-ID: <RtGdndgtCcgnxC_cRVn-hg@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote: C > http://businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_50/b3912001_mz001.htm  > B > This is a very interesting article about Carly and HP, issues of! > spinning off, acquisitions etc.  > D > One possible target for acquisition is Veritas (which becomes veryB > interesting news in light of the clustering announcement of last > week). > F > Also: Carly is a big time rebublican and may leave HP before the endG > of the Bush regime's term to accept some high ranking position in his F > cabinet. But this is hindered by the fact that she is now consideredF > an underperformer, way down from her glory days when she was "hired"? > by the Bush regime to help  with the merger of FBI etc during   > creation of Homeland Security. > ? > The article also has very interesting point of view about the G > enterprise division, sales etc. Also revelation that its storage unit E > was hit really hard by the stupid decision to cut the sales forces.       J Ok people.....if you take a look at this story, it is the *COVER* story on Business Week.  K Cover stories *ALWAYS* get Letters To The Editor printed during the 2 weeks 2 afterwards with reader's comments about the story.  G IT'S TIME TO *WRITE* *THE* *EDITORS* OF BUSINESS WEEK AND TELL THEM HOW + carly(tm) IS DROPPING THE BALL ON VMS!!!!!!    Use this link to write them:2 http://www.neodata.com/BusinessWeek/lettersed.html  ? If this doesn't work, go to http://businessweek.com/contact.htm , and click on the Letters to the Editors link   reference "Carly's Challenge"    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:20:52 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Carly's challenge= Message-ID: <0OidnTRi0_kV7S_cRVn-sQ@metrocastcablevision.com>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:41B246CC.4116CFA8@teksavvy.com...C > http://businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_50/b3912001_mz001.htm  > K > This is a very interesting article about Carly and HP, issues of spinning  off, > acquisitions etc.   K Well, at least interesting in that it tends to confirm what many of us have  thought of Carly all along.   L Of course she doesn't want to hire a strong COO to help fix the messes she'sH made:  that would just make it all the more obvious how superfluous - orG even actively destructive - her presence is to running the company.  Of L course she doesn't want to break HP up:  that would amount to admitting thatK her 'vision' of just how unstoppable the unholy amalgam she's created would  be had failed to pan out.   J So she remains determined to prove the worth of that 'vision' or drive theI company into the ground trying.  At least one can't accuse her of being a K mindless slave to the cause of shareholder value, or a softie when it comes L to sloughing off overhead that won't justify its keep in the extremely short term.   L Sheesh.  Isn't it about time that the market put HP out of its misery, while( there's still something left to salvage?   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2004 14:07:29 -0800  From: alban@houston.rr.com+ Subject: Free Desktop Computer---Not a Scam C Message-ID: <1102198049.170480.140100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   D Yes, this is indeed for real!! A company called Gratis Internet (seeG BBB report) is actually giving away free desktop computers. It's a very > simple process. Here are the exact steps you need to complete.  C 1. Create a free account at http://www.FreeDesktopPC.com/?r=8334833   G 2. Sign-up for any one of the offers on the 'Complete Offer' page...AOL E is good because they offer free trials that can be canceled if you do C not wish to continue using the service. Currently, a credit card is ; required for all offers even though they do not charge you.   @ 3. Once you have completed the steps above, you will be given anD referral link, which you have to share it with your friends, so they can sign-up as well.  C 4. In order to receive your free Desktop Computer, you will have to G refer at least 10 friends which they will have to sign-up as well for a E free Desktop Computer. Once you have completed the requirements, they - will ship the product for free. GUARANTEED!!!   0 ***Arguments in favor of Free Desktop Computers:  C * They are affiliates with high profile sites. AOL, GM, etc, do not D advertise with every scammer on the block, since it would be bad for	 business. E * The parent site that runs Free Desktop Computers is Gratis Internet E [aka Gratis Network]. They have several email addresses and phone/fax 4 numbers on their site, which is professionally done.; * They have been registered with the BBB for several years. - * The economics behind the system make sense.   E This is real. Many people have already gotten their free desktop pcs, F so why wait, get yours free right now too. This is not a scam, as manyF news websites and channels have been talking about this. Give it a try/ and you'll see that this is real. Sign-Up Here: ' http://www.FreeDesktopPC.com/?r=8334833    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 01:04:06 GMT & From: Israel T <rambam@bigpond.net.au>6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX* Message-ID: <87is7hy2r4.fsf@kafka.homenet>  # Lee Witten <lw99@yahoo.com> writes:   L > IBM falls into this with their Linux strategy: they can promote Linux all M > they want, but when push comes to shove people can buy Red Hat and slap it  ? > onto any old wintel box - IBM has no product differentiation.   I That is why IBM want to exit the PC market (except the PC server market). W IBM's PC division will be a perfect fit for a company like Acer or Legend( now Lenovo). : They make good product but have no brand name recognition.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2004 02:29:17 GMT ! From: Lee Witten <lw99@yahoo.com> 6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX/ Message-ID: <Xns95B660A7E31DDnn48@199.125.85.9>   ) Israel T <rambam@bigpond.net.au> wrote in # news:87is7hy2r4.fsf@kafka.homenet:  B > That is why IBM want to exit the PC market (except the PC serverE > market). IBM's PC division will be a perfect fit for a company like G > Acer or Legend( now Lenovo). They make good product but have no brand  > name recognition.   L I'm a happy customer - I'm typing this on a Think Pad.  To me the Think Pad K is really good kit.  My place of employ uses them and I liked it so much I  C bought one (though mine's better than the one work sprung for :-)).   I I wonder what large corporate IS departments will do if all the big boys  J leave the PC market.  I know mine has outsourced all the PC stuff and the F inhouse folks (employed by the outsourcing company) get a lot of hand  holding from IBM...    --lw--   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:03:36 -0700. From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc..com>C Subject: Re: HP Layoffs in New Hampshire the week ending 3-Dec-2004 0 Message-ID: <tKosd.390$px1.6632@news.uswest.net>  L According to my sources in southern NH, VMS wasn't hit.  HP-UX, on the other# hand, received a lot of pink slips.   
 Mike Ober.  = "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> wrote in message 9 news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-TOxkezJlK4rf@dave2_os2.home.ours... G > On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 22:03:57 UTC, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  >  > > Michael D. Ober wrote:8 > > > Here's a better article from the Nashua Telegraph. > > >  > > >  > > L http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041203/BUSINESS/
 > > 112030015  > > > J > > > Unfortunately, even the public affairs office at the VMS facility on5 > > > Spitbrook Rd won't answer any questions either.  > > >  > > > Mike Ober. > >  > > F > > ""I can confirm that there were workforce actions taken in NH this week,"J > > Monica Sarkar, director of corporate media relations of the Palo Alto, > > Calif.-based company..." > > @ > > During WWII, the SS also had 'aktions'. They too referred to
 liquidations.  > > J > > For those who recall history, all I can say is -- good choice of words HP.  > >  > >  > F > "workforce actions" - that's the expression I was trying to remember9 > when discussing similar goings-on around our workplace.  >  > --   > Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 01:05:25 GMT & From: Israel T <rambam@bigpond.net.au>H Subject: Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS* Message-ID: <87eki5y2ox.fsf@kafka.homenet>  * bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:  3 >  What Carly needs to do is to open up the OpenVMS @ > market machine and pit it head to head againset linux ... they% > would then destroy the linux market   ( I want some of whatever you are smoking.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2004 19:54:55 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) H Subject: Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS3 Message-ID: <EswY3g3Cxy7d@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <d7791aa1.0412040458.6a6a3e3c@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:@ > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<6 >> >  P >> > "The PC divisions of H. P. and I.B.M." Ms. Fiering wrote, "are *vulnerable*N >> > to being spun off if their *drag* on margins and profitability are deemed* >> > too great by their parent companies." >>  G >> 	Strategically it probably makes great sense for HP to stay a while. B >> 	They can claim the high ground, claim "no problem" alluding to" >> 	HP being better than IBM, etc. >>  
 >> 				Rob > B > I didn't know that in business it strategically makes good sense > to loose money?       ; 	You know what truly bores me (and this isn't just directed 8 	at you Bob)?  Folks that trot out drivel with little or% 	no supporting facts to sustain it.     C 	With that as an intro Bob... it took all of 1 minute to find this:   B http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/investor/financials/quarters/2004/q2.html  J Personal Systems revenue totaled $6.0 billion, up 17% year-over-year, withN strong growth across all regions and categories. Desktop revenue increased 14%O year-over-year, while notebooks grew 26%. This is the third consecutive quarter H that PC year-over-year revenue growth surpassed HP's nearest competitor.I Personal Systems reported an operating profit of $45 million, up from $23 " million in the prior year period.   ; 	The point here of course is your premise is without merit.   > 	But I wouldn't say HP is immune.  History as a guide, I'd say? 	pricing pressure gets even greater in the PC realm and that is ; 	the crystal ball IBM is gazing at.  Hence IBM can trot out @ 	a profitable division to shed themselves of - while it is still 	profitable.   > What Carly needs to do     		[snip] 	  				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:18:09 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> H Subject: Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS, Message-ID: <41B27DCF.38C44EE3@teksavvy.com>   Rob Young wrote:L > Personal Systems revenue totaled $6.0 billion, up 17% year-over-year, withP > strong growth across all regions and categories. Desktop revenue increased 14%+ > year-over-year, while notebooks grew 26%.    Revenue != profit.  H Read the article titled "Carly's challenge" that compares profit margins between HP , IBM and Dell.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2004 15:39:52 -0800 1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)  Subject: Re: Is Sue OK ?= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0412041539.1f66329e@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<41AF2880.D3DE7310@teksavvy.com>... , > We haven't heard from Sue in a long while. > 
 > Is she OK ?    Dear JF,  A I am fine,  thanks so much for asking.  I am at the hotel getting " ready for the Ambassadors meeting.  B Starting to plan for the boot camp in June, we had a few excellentF seminars this week as a dry run for some new classes in June which you will be hearing about.  E We are also working on the next technical journal, but thats probably D going to be a little late because the same editing team is doing the+ documentation for 8.2 and that has priorty.   E As far as the engineering group goes we are very busy, still working, B still doing the port, still making VMS better, still fighting.  InC spite of analysts, in spite of journalists in spite of executives.  D Remember Ken Olsen saying "Do the Right Thing" I think the engineersD really did do the right thing when we started and they keep on doing2 it now. Its easier to build on a solid foundation.  C I also think that because the customers and partners that fight for D VMS everyday nn spite of the journalists in spite of the analysts inC spite of the executives, it makes the engineers want to work harder C and better than anyone else we can not give up, we do not know how.   B However there is a part of me that would really like to go nah nahD nah, its Jan and the group's still hear what about a public apology.  F Enough of my soap box I am sure you have much better things to do than
 listen to me.    Sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 19:24:32 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Is Sue OK ?, Message-ID: <41B25528.CBA4E1FF@teksavvy.com>   Sue Skonetski wrote:C > I am fine,  thanks so much for asking.  I am at the hotel getting $ > ready for the Ambassadors meeting.  N Glad to know you're ok. >Lots of people here have a lot of respect for you. So1 when you're absent for a long while, we worry :-)   H > Enough of my soap box I am sure you have much better things to do than > listen to me.   D No. Your opinions and "soap box" are very important and I certaintly& appreciate hearing your point of view.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:33:14 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: Is Sue OK ?, Message-ID: <3rednTWaNprXyi_cRVn-sQ@igs.net>   Sue Skonetski wrote:: > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message* > news:<41AF2880.D3DE7310@teksavvy.com>...- >> We haven't heard from Sue in a long while.  >> >> Is she OK ? > 
 > Dear JF, > C > I am fine,  thanks so much for asking.  I am at the hotel getting $ > ready for the Ambassadors meeting. > D > Starting to plan for the boot camp in June, we had a few excellentH > seminars this week as a dry run for some new classes in June which you > will be hearing about. > G > We are also working on the next technical journal, but thats probably F > going to be a little late because the same editing team is doing the- > documentation for 8.2 and that has priorty.  > G > As far as the engineering group goes we are very busy, still working, D > still doing the port, still making VMS better, still fighting.  InD > spite of analysts, in spite of journalists in spite of executives.F > Remember Ken Olsen saying "Do the Right Thing" I think the engineersF > really did do the right thing when we started and they keep on doing4 > it now. Its easier to build on a solid foundation. > E > I also think that because the customers and partners that fight for F > VMS everyday nn spite of the journalists in spite of the analysts inE > spite of the executives, it makes the engineers want to work harder E > and better than anyone else we can not give up, we do not know how.  > D > However there is a part of me that would really like to go nah nahF > nah, its Jan and the group's still hear what about a public apology. > H > Enough of my soap box I am sure you have much better things to do than > listen to me.     ? Glad to hear that you and the rest of the gang are still at it.   L Now if we could only give pink slips to those who are holding back effective and sustanined VMS marketing.    ------------------------------   Date: 04 Dec 2004 18:58:10 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> 9 Subject: Re: It's crunch time ... to survive HP must  ... 7 Message-ID: <Xns95B5CB4CB5E05dcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>   % %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Bob Ceculski wrote in 5 news:d7791aa1.0412040959.1f2c5e54@posting.google.com    5 > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message < > news:<d7791aa1.0412040506.52dfbe2a@posting.google.com>... 8 >> 1. offer free VMS licenses to all tru64 customers and6 >>    even free porting assistance ... this would give8 >>    them better security and clustering then what they1 >>    have already and lighten the bitterness ...  > 8 > and I should have added to this free compiler licenses7 > and maybe even free itaniums to complete the gesture!   A What's wrong with free beer?  And why aren't you providing it? ;)      Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Dec 2004 13:46:14 -0800 * From: thierry.uso@wanadoo.fr (Thierry USO) Subject: Re: Java on VMS= Message-ID: <79c022e7.0412041346.262c2182@posting.google.com>    > L > Is the app already written in Java?  If so has he simply tried to run it? < > Isn't the whole purpose of Java, write once, run anywhere? > L I have tested more than 30 free java applications on OpenVMS. Only around 10J applications work well with nothing to do. The others exhibit more or less severe dysfunctions.  K The slogan "write once, run everywhere" is a joke. There is often a porting O effort with java applications. The porting effort is only slighter than with C   or C++ applications.  P Most of the dysfunctions that I have identified are related to the specifity of M the OpenVMS filesystem. These dysfunctions are often easy to correct but not  M always. No dysfunction was related with the swing graphical library. All the  N applications using an embedded servlet container (tomcat or jetty) don't work  and I don't understand why.   O I plan to package some of these free applications (specific documentation, DCL   procedures and pcsi installer).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 00:39:51 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> Subject: Re: News ServerB Message-ID: <41b24ac7$0$29853$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:  , > George Cook <cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> wrote: > I >>With DNEWS on VMS we have never had any type of rebuild or news related F >>downtime in the five or so years we have used it.  The DNEWS processE >>has run non-stop for over 500 days, and then the only reason for it & >>not running longer was VMS upgrades. >  > I > Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be possible to buy DNEWS for OpenVMS N > anymore.  They offer versions for most Unix varients, and Windows, but there > is no longer one for OpenVMS.  >  > 		Zane >     ( DNews for VMS - Planet Mirror - Download8 http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/netwinsite/dnews/vms/     Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.674 ************************