1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 06 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 676       Contents:- Re: AlphaStation 200 4/233 does not power up.  Re: Carly's challenge  Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw ! Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw !/ FA : OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM software kit. Dec-1999. 2 Re: finding out what is installed on a system disk2 Re: finding out what is installed on a system disk2 Re: finding out what is installed on a system disk- Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX - Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX 2 Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!2 Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!2 Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!2 Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!? Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS ? Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS ? Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS ? Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS ? Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS ? Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS ? Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS  Re: Is Sue OK ?  Re: Is Sue OK ?  Re: Java on VMS D Re: looking for list of CD contents of layered-products distributionD Re: looking for list of CD contents of layered-products distributionD Re: looking for list of CD contents of layered-products distribution OT: HP and US dollar Re: Radeon 7500 problem 
 Re: SMTP FQDN A Re: Stalker Announces Beta Release of CommuniGate Pro for OpenVMS A Re: Stalker Announces Beta Release of CommuniGate Pro for OpenVMS 
 Re: VMS V1  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 20:04:28 -0500 " From: Glenn Everhart <gce@gce.com>6 Subject: Re: AlphaStation 200 4/233 does not power up., Message-ID: <d_GdnTmTv4GVLC7cRVn-3A@rcn.net>   Michael Moroney wrote:) > "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> writes:  >  > ) >>Two weeks ago we had a power outage.=20 ; >>Since then we cannot switch on an AlphaStation 200 4/233. A >>If the power switch is pressed, a short click is heard from the < >>internal speaker, but nothing else happens. No green LEDs. >  > C > VERY common for alphastation 200 power supplies to die like this. E > The power supply comes on for a fraction of a second and then shuts E > down (either due to a defective safety circuit, or a safety circuit F > detecting a real problem).  I have two that died the same exact way.E > One I replaced the power supply with a generic PC one, the other is 
 > still dead.  > G > The one I fixed (typing on it now) was a bit of a project.  I had to  K > replace the motherboard connectors as well as figure out what to do with  J > every single output, and make sure I got everything right as the PC and J > alphastation power supplies used entirely different color codes for the L > different voltages to prevent frying things (blue and yellow were reversed > for example, +/- 12 votes)  G Could you post or let me have the pinouts anyhow? It could be handy for H others not to have to experiment. (If my p/s goes, it won't help much in figuring that stuff out.)    Thanks Glenn Everhart everhart@gce.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 03:54:01 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: Carly's challenge- Message-ID: <87zn0sikrq.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   F > Also: Carly is a big time rebublican and may leave HP before the endC > of the Bush regime's term to accept some high ranking position in ? > his cabinet. But this is hindered by the fact that she is now E > considered an underperformer, way down from her glory days when she C > was "hired" by the Bush regime to help with the merger of FBI etc ' > during creation of Homeland Security.   E I would have thought `underperforming' was just what the weed and his  cohorts would want.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 02:05:07 GMT 3 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> % Subject: Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw ! = Message-ID: <n7Psd.29221$zx1.6836@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>    JF Mezei wrote: # > VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > K >>'Tis my understanding that Mr. Einstein's theories state that any assump- K >>tion that time is consistent for all observers it not true.  I do not be- ; >>lieve that his theories show that time varies negatively.  >  > ? > It does every year in most parts of the world, by one hour...   ?    That's one of the things I miss about living in Arizona.  No   Daylight savings to worry about.  I    BTW, Mozilla on VMS has the same problem as DEC$CLOCK.  If you set the G clock back, MOzilla will hang until the system time passes the time you  set it back from.    -- Vance Haemmerle    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 02:40:27 GMT 3 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> % Subject: Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw ! > Message-ID: <vEPsd.29227$zx1.17042@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>   Alan E. Feldman wrote:u > spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<b096a4ee.0411241522.30b5c839@posting.google.com>...  > o >>hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) wrote in message news:<5ZMod.3409$CF2.1718@news.cpqcorp.net>...  >> >>>Somebody wrote: >>>  >>> 6 >>>>Time is like a river. It flows into one direction. >>> * >>>    "Time, like an ever rolling stream,# >>>        bears all its sons away. ' >>>     They fly, forgotten, as a dream $ >>>        dies at the openging day" >>>  >>>Oh, come now! >>> * >>>Time is a DIMENSION -- just like space. >>F >>Well, yes and no. You measure space with rulers and you measure time0 >>with clocks. It's easy to tell the difference. >>G >>If you divide a length by a length, you get a ratio -- a pure number. G >>If you divide a length by a duration, you get an average speed. Quite  >>different. >>C >>In one sense it is more accurate to say that  ict  is a dimension E >>(with i = (-1)**0.5, c = speed of light, t = time). This is because E >>when you measure a light ray, you get by using the distance formula > >>and the basic relation that distance equals speed times time >>) >>    x**2 + y**2 + z**2 = (c**2)*(t**2)   >>E >>where x, y, z, and t are really delta_x, etc. (This is the starting F >>point of deriving the equations of Special Relativity. From this youD >>can get negative delta_x, etc., as "solutions", but you can do theE >>same with the Pythagorean Theorem, so I wouldn't take such negative  >>"solutions" too seriously.)  >>: >>By setting x_0 = ict, x_1 = x, x_2 = y, x_3 = z, you get >>* >>    x_0**2 + x_1**2 + x_2**2 + x_3** = 0 >  >  >  > Uh, make that  > - >       x_0**2 + x_1**2 + x_2**2 + x_3**2 = 0  >  >  > A >>and they all look alike. NTL, time as a dimension has different = >>qualities from the spatial dimensions as I explained above. A >>Releativity theory does, howevver, show that space and time are F >>inexorably intertwined. This is what gives us length contraction and9 >>time dilation for things moving at relativistic speeds.  >>D >>Other equations in special relativity turn out nice if you set the# >>fourth dimension, x_0, to  ict  .  >> >> >>; >>>Time and space do not move or flow; we move within them. < >>>Exactly why we percieve ourselves to be moving constantly. >>>in one direction in time is not understood. >>E >>Well, maybe Nature uses the KISS philosophy; it's certainly simpler  >>this way!   D    With a suitable definition of distance and "proper time" (as timeB elapses on your own clock), in space-time everything moves throughB the 4 dimensions at the "speed" of light, c.  Most of us move much@ more in the time dimension than the space dimensions while light' moves entirely in the space dimensions.    -- Vance Haemmerle    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:09:24 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 8 Subject: FA : OpenVMS VAX CD-ROM software kit. Dec-1999.' Message-ID: <41B38714.7C9110C2@aaa.com>    eBay item no : 5736426815 = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5736426815   ! The following CD's are included :   > OpenVMS VAX Software Product Library, "December 1999", 14 CDs.2 OpenVMS Year 2000 readiness Kit, Apr-1998, one CD.E OpenVMS Year 2000 readiness Kit "Supplementary files", Febr-1999, one  CD.   
 Best Regards, 	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2004 16:25:07 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: finding out what is installed on a system disk 3 Message-ID: <wQaSZkuDGMgr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <covjgi$rcb$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: K > As I mentioned in another thread, before donating some old CDs to a good  H > home, I want to make sure that I have installed all the products from F > them which a) I need, b) have since been retired and c) are not yet C > installed.  Thus, I was using PRODUCT SHOW HISTORY and searching  J > SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL.HISTORY to see what was installed.  Interestingly, H > although I have the PL/I compiler installed on VAX and ALPHA, I could  > thus see it only on ALPHA.  @ If SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL.HISTORY has been added to VAX it is only quite recently .  7 > Is there any DEFINITIVE way to see what is installed?     $ DIRECTORY/FULL SYS$SYSTEM:.EXE  # and then figure out which is which.   G That is why PRODUCT SHOW HISTORY was developed, but the initial release I of PCSI was inadequate and any vendor who wants to support older versions B of VMS is not helped by changes that only come on recent versions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 16:35:13 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>; Subject: Re: finding out what is installed on a system disk + Message-ID: <41B38D20.641D2FA4@comcast.net>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > J > As I mentioned in another thread, before donating some old CDs to a goodG > home, I want to make sure that I have installed all the products from E > them which a) I need, b) have since been retired and c) are not yet B > installed.  Thus, I was using PRODUCT SHOW HISTORY and searchingI > SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL.HISTORY to see what was installed.  Interestingly, G > although I have the PL/I compiler installed on VAX and ALPHA, I could  > thus see it only on ALPHA. > 7 > Is there any DEFINITIVE way to see what is installed?  > H > I have only installed stuff via the menu from the layered-product CDs,2 > so there shouldn't be anything strange going on. > I > It would be nice if, when installing a product from the layered-product C > CDs, it would give an informational message if the product is not G > already installed or if an older version is, and a warning if a newer  > version is already installed.   H Depends. What are the criteria for those decisions? I believe that's the root question you are asking.   G I doubt there is a DEFINITIVE approach, since there are so many ways to  "skin a cat".   E The contents of the SYS$SYSTEM path won't do since some folks like to ) have third-party products kept elsewhere.   G The contents of the command tables won't do since some products use DCL ! symbols to invoke the components.   G Likewise, the contents of the process symbol tables won't do since many C products have verbs installed or don't install verbs, symbols, etc. " without customization by the site.  E The DCL$PATH won't do since this is fairly obscure and, admittedly, a ' bit dangerous due to some known issues.   @ So, no - there is likely not a SINGLE, DEFINITIVE approach. Many approaches may be needed.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2004 20:47:05 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: finding out what is installed on a system disk 3 Message-ID: <QtWI5mpVd6wV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <41B38D20.641D2FA4@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:   I >> I have only installed stuff via the menu from the layered-product CDs, 3 >> so there shouldn't be anything strange going on.  >>  J >> It would be nice if, when installing a product from the layered-productD >> CDs, it would give an informational message if the product is notH >> already installed or if an older version is, and a warning if a newer  >> version is already installed. > J > Depends. What are the criteria for those decisions? I believe that's the > root question you are asking.  > I > I doubt there is a DEFINITIVE approach, since there are so many ways to  > "skin a cat".  > G > The contents of the SYS$SYSTEM path won't do since some folks like to + > have third-party products kept elsewhere.   * You missed the part (above) where he said:  I >> I have only installed stuff via the menu from the layered-product CDs, 3 >> so there shouldn't be anything strange going on.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 17:55:32 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX, Message-ID: <41B391E1.44A40D59@teksavvy.com>  L I think that we may be seeing pieces of the puzzle start to fall into place.  D So, DEC engineers have spent the last couple of years trying to port@ TruCluster to HP-UX/IA64 and change its endianness to fit HP-UX.  9 Rumours abound about the lack of a bright future for IA64   N HP abandons TruCluster in favour of industry standard Veritas which is already available on many platforms.  N If IA64 is to go, it means that a lot of the work done by the DEC engineers toG port TruCluster would be wasted and that would require further delay in E porting to the 8086 or to PaRisc should HP decide to revive the chip.   K Inquirer mentioned an imminent iceberg hit for IA64. With recent statements L about downscaling of IA64 (no more workstations, and intel admitting it willM further restrict its niche to high performance computing), I don't think that B they can go on much longer without making some official statement.   I can just see the headline:  A Intel abandons IA64, HP chooses Sparc for its enterprise systems. 	 <ducking>    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 01:58:26 GMT & From: Israel T <rambam@bigpond.net.au>6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX* Message-ID: <87zn0s192l.fsf@kafka.homenet>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   N > I think that we may be seeing pieces of the puzzle start to fall into place.   Right.B With the Itanic headed for a watery grave, HP has limited options.  > On the otherhand, Intel's new 64 bit non-Itanic line ( the oneB based on AMD's 64 bit extensions )should be hitting the shops RSN.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 21:58:49 GMT & From: Israel T <rambam@bigpond.net.au>; Subject: Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product! * Message-ID: <871xe4o193.fsf@kafka.homenet>  * bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:  ? > What is this "you get a new file system one year early" bull? < > If I were a tru64 user, or HP unix user for that matter, I> > would rather wait a year for a superior product then to have > a generic substitute    Q Depends on whether anyone believes that waiting one year is going to give them a  T product that is superior enough to warrant the opportunity cost of waiting one year.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 17:12:41 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>; Subject: Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product! = Message-ID: <KZ-dncbMl4VBGi7cRVn-sQ@metrocastcablevision.com>   3 "Israel T" <rambam@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message $ news:871xe4o193.fsf@kafka.homenet..., > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: > A > > What is this "you get a new file system one year early" bull? > > > If I were a tru64 user, or HP unix user for that matter, I@ > > would rather wait a year for a superior product then to have > > a generic substitute > K > Depends on whether anyone believes that waiting one year is going to give  them aL > product that is superior enough to warrant the opportunity cost of waiting	 one year.   H If that's a problem for them, they could simply have gone to Veritas andI obtained that product *this* year:  it's not like any serious integration L work was going to occur over the next 9 months - my impression is that HP isK just arranging to bundle Veritas's existing product suite that *already* is  available on HP-UX.   H The advantage of the Tru64 CFS port was that it provided both a level ofL Tru64 compatibility and an arguably superior alternative.  Of course, it mayI already have served its purpose in keeping as many Tru64 customers within G the fold as was possible, in which case there would be little reason to > follow through on it simply because HP had committed to do so.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 17:20:10 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ; Subject: Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product! , Message-ID: <41B3899A.EBA23AF3@teksavvy.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:  > ? > What is this "you get a new file system one year early" bull? < > If I were a tru64 user, or HP unix user for that matter, I> > would rather wait a year for a superior product then to have> > a generic substitute ... if anyone buys this baloney, then I% > have some swamp land in Florida ...   M The way I see it, HP is out to buy software, not write software. HP is out to D make its systems "commodity" and use only "industry standard" stuff.  M Using DEC's file/cluster system would make HP-UX proprietary and use one of a N kind stuff that is unkown to the marketplace. Using Veritas means that you useL a more or less industr standard product, you don't have to spend in R&D, and3 you get to ride on whatever publicity Veritas does.   C HP is no interested in making products that give HP a technological 3 competitive edge. Carly is interested in her image.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 02:00:23 GMT & From: Israel T <rambam@bigpond.net.au>; Subject: Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product! * Message-ID: <87vfbg18zc.fsf@kafka.homenet>  , "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  J > The advantage of the Tru64 CFS port was that it provided both a level ofN > Tru64 compatibility and an arguably superior alternative.  Of course, it mayK > already have served its purpose in keeping as many Tru64 customers within I > the fold as was possible, in which case there would be little reason to @ > follow through on it simply because HP had committed to do so.  > The days of HP's proprietory OS's are probably limited anyway.I I can see them following SGI and abandoning all inhouse operating systems 
 for Linux.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 22:20:41 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> H Subject: Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS- Message-ID: <covu35$1m6n$1@news.cybercity.dk>    Bob Ceculski wrote: B > Haven't you read the home pc projections yet?  They are going to@ > collapse!  The mainframe will rule as cable vendors will offer> > users web and email packages ... your cable box will be your@ > computer, and your flat screen 50 inch digital tv will be both@ > tv and monitor ... I told you this was inevitable years ago as! > soon as tv prices began to drop   < So the entire family is going to watch while little Brian or: Sue is surfing the internet for information for the scholl: assignment.  It is easy to add features to TVs so that you9 can surf the internet, read E-mails, etc.  But.  But I do 6 not want to do that from an easy chair.  I want to sit9 comfortable while watching TV and movies, but I would not = like to participate in usenet discussions, surf the internet, 9 play computer games, etc. from an easy chair.  Sitting at < a desc in an office chair is much more comfortable for that.: And I do not want to be forced to watch the wife, I do not8 have, write E-mails to her mother, sisters, girlfriends, while I want to watch soccer.   = You can have a CRT monitor at $200 or an LCD monitor at $300. : You can have a complete PC suitable for home office use at9 $500.  Those prices are so low, that people are not going ' to use their TV just those few dollars.   : WiFi networks are so cheap, that in the future people will8 accept solutions were they are bound to use the computer from just one place.  7 The main reason why the PC market will go down, is that 6 neither Intel nor AMD nor Microsoft have new products,- that can make many people open their wallets.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 22:25:15 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> H Subject: Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS- Message-ID: <covuc0$1mms$1@news.cybercity.dk>    Bob Ceculski wrote: h > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<EswY3g3Cxy7d@eisner.encompasserve.org>... > ; > business lesson number 2 ... next pc's will diminish from 8 > the business realm as well ... business is looking for8 > every cost cutting angle they can ... why do you think9 > ceo's drool over a piece of $#!] like linux ... because 9 > the licensing is cheap (never mind the price of all the 9 > add ons i.e. security) ... they want cheap hardware and 9 > cheap licenses ... why do you think sun has resorted to ; > the desperate move of giving away slowaris ... because if < > it doesn't, it will cease to exist (which it will anyway)!  9 Sun has had solutions like that for years.  Yet they have ; steamrolled the rest of the IT-industry, and yet you always  claim Suns products suck.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 22:28:20 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> H Subject: Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS- Message-ID: <covuhe$1mms$2@news.cybercity.dk>    Karsten Nyblad wrote:  > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > : >> young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message 2 >> news:<EswY3g3Cxy7d@eisner.encompasserve.org>... >>< >> business lesson number 2 ... next pc's will diminish from9 >> the business realm as well ... business is looking for 9 >> every cost cutting angle they can ... why do you think : >> ceo's drool over a piece of $#!] like linux ... because: >> the licensing is cheap (never mind the price of all the: >> add ons i.e. security) ... they want cheap hardware and: >> cheap licenses ... why do you think sun has resorted to< >> the desperate move of giving away slowaris ... because if= >> it doesn't, it will cease to exist (which it will anyway)!  >  > ; > Sun has had solutions like that for years.  Yet they have = > steamrolled the rest of the IT-industry, and yet you always  > claim Suns products suck.   ? Sorry, I forgot a "not."  I should have read "Yet they have not ( steamrolled the rest og the IT-industry.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 22:01:37 GMT & From: Israel T <rambam@bigpond.net.au>H Subject: Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS* Message-ID: <87wtvwmmjy.fsf@kafka.homenet>  * bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:  6 >  The mainframe will rule as cable vendors will offer> > users web and email packages ... your cable box will be your@ > computer, and your flat screen 50 inch digital tv will be both@ > tv and monitor ... I told you this was inevitable years ago as  @ As John Maynard Keynes said, " In the long run, we are all dead"   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 22:10:58 GMT & From: Israel T <rambam@bigpond.net.au>H Subject: Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS* Message-ID: <87sm6kmm4e.fsf@kafka.homenet>  * bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:  " > (never mind the price of all the > add ons i.e. security)   They are free too. Have a look at freshmeat.   9 > VMS and itanium are the wildcards ... if the alpha team  > can improve on itanium  ! To paraphrase Pink Floyd's Sheep:    "Have you heard the news ? The dog is dead"  C Intel is deperately looking for a way to cancel the Itanic without   looking too stupid.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 02:02:05 GMT & From: Israel T <rambam@bigpond.net.au>H Subject: Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS* Message-ID: <87r7m418wi.fsf@kafka.homenet>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   O > IBM recently signed deals to form a Power alliance and push the chip into the L > market. With IA64 in a market molasses quagmire just waiting to be killed,P > Power seems ready to take the winning trophy and I think IBM is positioning it > for quite a take off.   G Dont forget that the PS3, Xeon (Xbox 2 ) and the Nintendo are going to  & be based around IBM POWER derivatives.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 02:03:57 GMT & From: Israel T <rambam@bigpond.net.au>H Subject: Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS* Message-ID: <87mzws18te.fsf@kafka.homenet>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   O > It doesn't mean that the "entertainment PC" will be the one your kids use for P > schoolwork. It just means that instead of buying a Sony TV, you'll be buying a6 > DELL system, complete with large flat panel display.  * Sony may have something to say about that.  N It is no accident that Sony has teamed with IBM to produce the highly scalableK Cell processor. 16 teraflops in a 1U rack unit is what I have been hearing.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun,  5 Dec 2004 20:20:06 +0100 (CET) % From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>  Subject: Re: Is Sue OK ?8 Message-ID: <80da0b4b0967fbc92ec5cddcb0337776@dizum.com>  E Gregory Morrow <gregorymorrowLUCKBEALADYTONIGHT@earthlink.net> wrote:    >  >Nomen Nescio wrote: > ) >> JF Mezei <jfmezei@teksavvy.com> wrote:  >>. >> >We haven't heard from Sue in a long while. >> > >> >Is she OK ?  >>5 >> Is she another one of your multiple personalities?  >  > ( >Oh has JF elected for a sex change now? > 2 >This opens up a whole new world of possibilities!  D Yep, apparently he's suffering from Gender Identity Dysphoria (GID).  N http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=gender+identity+dysphoria&btnG=Search  M Just like Voight.  What is it about these trolls and netkooks that makes them K sprout female personalities?  Voight is the master of that.  Remember Kathy N Stoltz?  He created a whole new female trolling persona, complete with family,P children, new place to live (Phoenix), AOL account, the works.  I'm sure they'reN still laughing over at Cisco about that one.  Sad thing is, he doesn't realize( they're laughing *at* him, not with him.  L At least Mezei doesn't have to worry about a boss and co-workers laughing at= him.  It's one of the perks of being perpertually unemployed.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun,  5 Dec 2004 20:30:04 +0100 (CET) % From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>  Subject: Re: Is Sue OK ?8 Message-ID: <37fa51b475a136a86d072b0261256e4a@dizum.com>  E Gregory Morrow <gregorymorrowLUCKBEALADYTONIGHT@earthlink.net> wrote:    >Nomen Nescio wrote: > ) >> JF Mezei <jfmezei@teksavvy.com> wrote:  >>. >> >We haven't heard from Sue in a long while. >> > >> >Is she OK ?  >>5 >> Is she another one of your multiple personalities?  >  > ( >Oh has JF elected for a sex change now? > 2 >This opens up a whole new world of possibilities!  D Yep, apparently he's suffering from Gender Identity Dysphoria (GID).  N http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=gender+identity+dysphoria&btnG=Search  M Just like Voight.  What is it about these trolls and netkooks that makes them K sprout female personalities?  Voight is the master of that.  Remember Kathy N Stoltz?  He created a whole new female trolling persona, complete with family,P children, new place to live (Phoenix), AOL account, the works.  I'm sure they'reN still laughing over at Cisco about that one.  Sad thing is, he doesn't realize( they're laughing *at* him, not with him.  L At least Mezei doesn't have to worry about a boss and co-workers laughing at= him.  It's one of the perks of being perpertually unemployed.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2004 11:06:30 -0800 . From: dieter.rossbach@gmx.de (dieter rossbach) Subject: Re: Java on VMS= Message-ID: <e1d40caf.0412051106.55f10a5d@posting.google.com>   O > the OpenVMS filesystem. These dysfunctions are often easy to correct but not  O > always. No dysfunction was related with the swing graphical library. All the  P > applications using an embedded servlet container (tomcat or jetty) don't work  > and I don't understand why.  >   # We are very happy with java on VMS.   D It was a big step forward for us, we develop with W2K /WXP, NetbeansD and Mysql and the production systems run on VMS 7.3-2 with oracle or' Rdb. (And on Linux, we tested that ...)    Our applications are:   F 1. Level 2 automation system for steel plants and similar environmentsC 2. Laboratory Information System for Automatic Data Acquisition and ( Handling with Level 2 Automation Systems  F These systems have everything in them: lot of socket based I/O to realE time systems, multi national language support (one of the lab systems  run in China). Corba, JDBC, ...   E 3. Content Management for Online Magazines (based on CSWS and TOMCAT)   A We have almost NO porting to do. Maybe that porting existing java < applications causes problems, but not with new applications.   Regards    Dieter   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 22:15:56 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)M Subject: Re: looking for list of CD contents of layered-products distribution 0 Message-ID: <newscache$pur98i$wfx$1@news.sil.at>  w In article <covik0$pbg$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: G >Before giving away some old CDs to a good home, I wanted to make sure  J >that I install FROM THE OLD CDs anything which has been retired, which I I >want and which I don't have installed, since it won't be on more modern   >CDs.   J Today's method is making an ISO image of the CD, ZIP it, store it on a bigH IDE disk and keep a directory listing file handy. And if you need accessG to the CD, unzip it (temporarily) and use it directly via SYS$LDDRIVER.   B I don't want to install kits I don't need only for not loosing it.A And if someone else needs it, I couldn't pass the kit on, because ; nobody wants to repack a kit from my system disk's content.   J >With this in mind, I was doing a check to see what is installed on which J >system disk, by searching SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL.HISTORY and using PRODUCT = >SHOW HISTORY.  Presumably, this should pick up everything.   G >Interestingly, it doesn't show the PL/I compiler on VAX, though it is  > >there.  It DOES show it on ALPHA.  How could this come about?  I If the product was installed before the required VMSINSTAL.COM on VAX got I the VMSINSTAL.HISTORY support, then you're on your own. A SET HOST/LOG is J therefore my way since over a decade now (before, it was a LA120 or LA100)   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 19:41:49 -0500 " From: Glenn Everhart <gce@gce.com>M Subject: Re: looking for list of CD contents of layered-products distribution , Message-ID: <efOdnVOXcO0gNi7cRVn-3Q@rcn.net>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:y > In article <covik0$pbg$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  > H >>Before giving away some old CDs to a good home, I wanted to make sure K >>that I install FROM THE OLD CDs anything which has been retired, which I hJ >>want and which I don't have installed, since it won't be on more modern  >>CDs. >  > L > Today's method is making an ISO image of the CD, ZIP it, store it on a bigJ > IDE disk and keep a directory listing file handy. And if you need accessI > to the CD, unzip it (temporarily) and use it directly via SYS$LDDRIVER.e > D > I don't want to install kits I don't need only for not loosing it.C > And if someone else needs it, I couldn't pass the kit on, becauseo= > nobody wants to repack a kit from my system disk's content.  >  > K >>With this in mind, I was doing a check to see what is installed on which sK >>system disk, by searching SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL.HISTORY and using PRODUCT  > >>SHOW HISTORY.  Presumably, this should pick up everything.  H >>Interestingly, it doesn't show the PL/I compiler on VAX, though it is ? >>there.  It DOES show it on ALPHA.  How could this come about?  >  > K > If the product was installed before the required VMSINSTAL.COM on VAX gotcK > the VMSINSTAL.HISTORY support, then you're on your own. A SET HOST/LOG isrL > therefore my way since over a decade now (before, it was a LA120 or LA100) > H My old compressed disk scheme is an alternative. Make a compressed imageI of the disk, use dtdriver and dthost to make that look like a normal disk > when you like. Old stuff, but it does work. It stopped workingC briefly with the new cache, in 7.3 or thereabouts, since they broke D split i/o, but that has been fixed, or you could use no cache or the old vioc and all was well.  E If making a copy of the disk, the dtdriver image could just be copied-K to CD or the like, which would decompress it on the fly. It just compresses2H the whole disk at once and keeps a bunch of pointers to where each groupJ of blocks starts on the compressed file. One of the compressions used zlibH which is not too bad. Of course an offline decompress is possible of theH image with a fairly trivial program, since the index file format was not exactly rocket science.4   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Dec 2004 20:48:29 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)eM Subject: Re: looking for list of CD contents of layered-products distributiono3 Message-ID: <h3yJpx2C87wD@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  i In article <newscache$pur98i$wfx$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: y > In article <covik0$pbg$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:nH >>Before giving away some old CDs to a good home, I wanted to make sure K >>that I install FROM THE OLD CDs anything which has been retired, which I  J >>want and which I don't have installed, since it won't be on more modern  >>CDs. > L > Today's method is making an ISO image of the CD, ZIP it, store it on a bigJ > IDE disk and keep a directory listing file handy. And if you need accessI > to the CD, unzip it (temporarily) and use it directly via SYS$LDDRIVER.   , The VMS Distribution CDROMs use ODS not ISO.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 01:32:23 -0500c- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>n Subject: OT: HP and US dollar , Message-ID: <41B3FCDC.B02AE8A4@teksavvy.com>  C The US dollar has been losing ground against major currencies at anCD accelerated pace since early November. This can affect positively orM negatively major US corporations, depending on whether they are net exporterse
 or importers.y  I Does anyone know if HP is a net exporter ? Will its profits be positivelykK affected by the lower USD ? Or is the imported value of components used for N both US and export markets greater than the total value of the export market ?  J Are Alpha systems now assembled in the USA, or are there still some system3 assembly being done in England or other countries ?t  M It will be interesting to see if HP lowers its overseas prices and whether US R prices will rise. HP can only be protected from currency fluctuations for so long.  L If HP benefits significanly from devaluation of the USD, it may help to hideL underperforming units to Wall Street Casino analysts who might be happy with2 the total profit number and not really gid deeper.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 01:08:29 GMT-3 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US>   Subject: Re: Radeon 7500 problem= Message-ID: <hiOsd.29212$zx1.6166@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>e   Hi Fred,  /   Ever get those HP L2335s 23" LCDs in to test?    -- Vance Haemmerlem   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 20:36:45 +0100i" From: labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr> Subject: Re: SMTP FQDN6 Message-ID: <41b363d1$0$9026$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>   Mike Schoepke a crit :hO > We currently send 800-900 short (80-100 characters) e-mail messages each day hN > to a group of 50 text pagers. In the past we used RamPage, but in an effort M > to reduce telco costs we have converted to e-mail delivery. The FQDN shows eO > up as the first part of the text message. I.E. "From:cizmgr@node.domain.com"  * > in our case this is about 30 characters.' > Alpha ES40 VMS 7.3-2, Tcpip 5.4 eco 1- > N > Is these a way to remove or reduce the string of characters on the outbound  > messages?e > 	 > Thanks,e >  > Mike Schoepke:# > mschoepkeXatXdailyheraldXdotXcom D >  >  use the logical tcpip$smtp_fromr   from the Tcpip Smtp doca  8   DEFINE TCPIP$SMTP_FROM "[VERBATIM] bill.smith@xxx.com"$ The resulting address is as follows:     From: bill.smith@xxx.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 16:19:17 -0600:2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>J Subject: Re: Stalker Announces Beta Release of CommuniGate Pro for OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <41B38965.67EB532A@comcast.net>i   John Smith wrote:  >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > Kenneth Farmer wrote:  > >>H > >> Stalker Software has just announced the release of the OpenVMS betaI > >> for their CommuniGate Pro Integrated Communications server. The Betar@ > >> period will run through to January 15, 2005. The product isC > >> available for OpenVMS on Alpha, and IA64 (Itanium2) platforms.o > >>> > >> http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=04/12/02/3371441 > >oE > > Hhmmm... Could this be the much sought-after Micro$lop EggsChangem > > equivalent for VMS???!!! > J > Don't knock it. If it isn't from Microsoft, it has a high probability of > being a decent product.e   Who's knocking it?  H I'm asking if that's the long-missing piece of the VMS web server puzzleA that would finally make it practical and saleable (aside from VMS , license pricing and Itanic issues, that is).   -- T David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:e" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/i   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 01:49:54 GMT26 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>J Subject: Re: Stalker Announces Beta Release of CommuniGate Pro for OpenVMS> Message-ID: <6VOsd.30988$Mu3.1863472@twister.southeast.rr.com>  @ "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:41B38965.67EB532A@comcast.net...r > John Smith wrote:r >> >> David J Dachtera wrote: >> > Kenneth Farmer wrote: >> >>oI >> >> Stalker Software has just announced the release of the OpenVMS betaiJ >> >> for their CommuniGate Pro Integrated Communications server. The BetaA >> >> period will run through to January 15, 2005. The product istD >> >> available for OpenVMS on Alpha, and IA64 (Itanium2) platforms. >> >>i? >> >> http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=04/12/02/3371441u >> >F >> > Hhmmm... Could this be the much sought-after Micro$lop EggsChange >> > equivalent for VMS???!!!c >>K >> Don't knock it. If it isn't from Microsoft, it has a high probability ofg >> being a decent product. >s > Who's knocking it? > J > I'm asking if that's the long-missing piece of the VMS web server puzzleC > that would finally make it practical and saleable (aside from VMS . > license pricing and Itanic issues, that is).    ! It is THE M$ Exchange Killer.  :)      Ken-   OpenVMS.org-% _____________________________________c Kenneth R. Farmer <><R& SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 05:23:54 GMTa3 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US>h Subject: Re: VMS V1i> Message-ID: <K1Ssd.55117$QJ3.46542@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>   Dan O'Reilly wrote:e+ > At 12:14 PM 11/24/2004, Bob Kaplow wrote:n > , >> In article <co2hea$57i$2@pcls4.std.com>, < >> moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:; >> > kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) writes:  >> >G >> >>At the VMS 20th anniversary DECUS they had a 780 running whatever s
 >> version of J >> >>VMS it first shipped with. IT belonged to a DEC F/S engineer, but theD >> >>Dectapes were Andy Goldstein's. He might know where the 780 is. >> >J >> > Unfortunately, it was accidentally scrapped.  It was brought back to  >> theL >> > VMS Engineering lab after DECUS and someone who didn't know what it wasL >> > had it sent out for scrap.  One of the engineers here who brought it to; >> > life will rant on and on if the subject is brought up.C >> >> Oh My God!!!a >  > : > Hey, just so long as the VAXbar is still intact!  <grin> >   B    It is!  I moved last year and it was a bit scary the way it was@ handled by the movers.  I still need to have some work done so I! can hook it up to a water supply.A   -- Vance Haemmerlee   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.676 ************************