1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 07 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 678       Contents: Re: ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.8 < Announcing the Availability Manager V2.4 and DECamds V7.3-2A another Macro64 question Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw !- FTP program connect to VMS client under linux - Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX - Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX - Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX 2 Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!2 Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!2 Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!2 Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!2 Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!? Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS ? Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS  ldiq/ldil in Macro64  Re: OpenVMS V7.3-2 License issue  Re: OpenVMS V7.3-2 License issue  Re: OpenVMS V7.3-2 License issue  Re: OpenVMS V7.3-2 License issue' Re: OpenVMS.org comp.os.vms link failed  Re: OT: HP and US dollar Re: OT: HP and US dollar Re: OT: HP and US dollar Re: OT: HP and US dollar Re: OT: HP and US dollar Re: OT: HP and US dollar Re: OT: HP and US dollar Re: pathworks and domain trust Re: pathworks and domain trust Re: pathworks and domain trust Re: pathworks and domain trust; Re: Reinstalling DECwindows after losing it during upgrade? $ Replacing shareable image routines ?( Re: Replacing shareable image routines ? Scripted Mail Agent? Re: Scripted Mail Agent? Re: Scripted Mail Agent? Re: Scripted Mail Agent?1 Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? 1 Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? 1 Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? 1 Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? 1 Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? 1 Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? 1 Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? 1 Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:00:43 GMT 5 From: "Ed Vogel" <edward.vogel_stop_the_spam.@hp.com>   Subject: Re: ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.82 Message-ID: <fE4td.3979$8s1.3895@news.cpqcorp.net>  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:A15q7dnZ4tEj@eisner.encompasserve.org... 7 > In article <41928DEF.7AE7EE00@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei & <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > > 
 > > default :  > > }  <- end of switch  > >  > / >    That's perfectly valid in C, C++, or Java.  >   @     (A little late for this reply...just noticed the string now)  K     As Richard pointed out...this is not valid C.  A statement is required.   I     As this is common coding, we modified the compiler to silently accept ?     this in V6.2 (released many years ago).  Adding /STAND=ANSI 4     will cause the required diagnostic to be issued.       Ed Vogel#     HP/DEC/Compaq C/C++ Engineering    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:27:31 GMT 0 From: "Barry Kierstein" <Barry.Kierstein@HP.Com>E Subject: Announcing the Availability Manager V2.4 and DECamds V7.3-2A 1 Message-ID: <Do2td.3961$ja1.876@news.cpqcorp.net>   G     The Availability Manager team is pleased to announce the release of J the Availability Manager V2.4 and DECamds V7.3-2A.  Both of these kits are. now available on the Web at the following URL:  5  http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/availman/   >     The DECamds and  Availability Manager kits address severalG kitting issues that existed in previous versions of the products. These J issues resulted in newer kits not being able to update SYS$RMDRIVER files.E This problem existed in OpenVMS Alpha and VAX systems from V6.2 up to F but not including V7.3; it has been addressed in both of the new kits.@ The problems corrected and new features are in the release notes corresponding to the kits.A     One particular note about the Availability Manager kits.  The D kitting for the Availability Manager for OpenVMS has been updated inH preparation for Itanium versions.  The Availability Manager kit has beenC split into a Data Collector kit and a Data Analyzer kit for OpenVMS H Alpha systems.  When OpenVMS for the Itanium platform is released, there/ will also be a Data Analyzer kit to support it. I     Reasons for the reorganization are listed on the Availability Manager E software download page.  The main reason is kit size.  In sum, adding E the files necessary for the Itanium platform to the already large kit F would have more than doubled the kit size.  For a smooth installation,? please read the download page and installation notes carefully. B     The next version of the Availability Manager will be availableB when the next version of OpenVMS is released.  It will support the; next version of OpenVMS on the Itanium and Alpha platforms. 6     Thank you for using our products.  If you have any questions, let the team know.    The Availability Manager Team  OpenVMS Engineering    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:56:10 -05002 From: Chip Coldwell <coldwell@physics.harvard.edu>! Subject: another Macro64 question H Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0412061654320.32739-100000@frank.harvard.edu>  F This is probably a painfully stupid question, but here it goes anyway:  K Suppose I have an externally defined symbol "foo".  I can declare it in an   assembly module as   	$LINKAGE_SECTION  	.EXTERNAL FOO  K Great.  Now how do I get the contents of this symbol into a register where   I can work with it?    Chip   --   Charles M. "Chip" Coldwell System Administrator Harvard Physics Department 617-495-3388   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2004 17:07:31 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>% Subject: Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw ! B Message-ID: <1102381651.029356.96080@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   Vance Haemmerle wrote: > Alan E. Feldman wrote:= > > spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message 9 news:<b096a4ee.0411241522.30b5c839@posting.google.com>...  > > B > >>hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) wrote in message. news:<5ZMod.3409$CF2.1718@news.cpqcorp.net>... > >> > >>>Somebody wrote: > >>>  > >>> 8 > >>>>Time is like a river. It flows into one direction. > >>> , > >>>    "Time, like an ever rolling stream,% > >>>        bears all its sons away. ) > >>>     They fly, forgotten, as a dream & > >>>        dies at the openging day" > >>>  > >>>Oh, come now! > >>> , > >>>Time is a DIMENSION -- just like space. > >>C > >>Well, yes and no. You measure space with rulers and you measure  time2 > >>with clocks. It's easy to tell the difference. > >>A > >>If you divide a length by a length, you get a ratio -- a pure  number. C > >>If you divide a length by a duration, you get an average speed.  Quite  > >>different. > >>E > >>In one sense it is more accurate to say that  ict  is a dimension G > >>(with i = (-1)**0.5, c = speed of light, t = time). This is because G > >>when you measure a light ray, you get by using the distance formula @ > >>and the basic relation that distance equals speed times time > >>* > >>    x**2 + y**2 + z**2 = (c**2)*(t**2) > >>G > >>where x, y, z, and t are really delta_x, etc. (This is the starting D > >>point of deriving the equations of Special Relativity. From this you F > >>can get negative delta_x, etc., as "solutions", but you can do theG > >>same with the Pythagorean Theorem, so I wouldn't take such negative  > >>"solutions" too seriously.)  > >>< > >>By setting x_0 = ict, x_1 = x, x_2 = y, x_3 = z, you get > >>, > >>    x_0**2 + x_1**2 + x_2**2 + x_3** = 0 > >  > >  > >  > > Uh, make that  > > / > >       x_0**2 + x_1**2 + x_2**2 + x_3**2 = 0  > >  > >  > > C > >>and they all look alike. NTL, time as a dimension has different ? > >>qualities from the spatial dimensions as I explained above. C > >>Releativity theory does, howevver, show that space and time are D > >>inexorably intertwined. This is what gives us length contraction and ; > >>time dilation for things moving at relativistic speeds.  > >>F > >>Other equations in special relativity turn out nice if you set the% > >>fourth dimension, x_0, to  ict  .  > >> > >> > >>= > >>>Time and space do not move or flow; we move within them. > > >>>Exactly why we percieve ourselves to be moving constantly0 > >>>in one direction in time is not understood. > >>G > >>Well, maybe Nature uses the KISS philosophy; it's certainly simpler 
 > >>this way!  > F >    With a suitable definition of distance and "proper time" (as timeD > elapses on your own clock), in space-time everything moves throughD > the 4 dimensions at the "speed" of light, c.  Most of us move muchB > more in the time dimension than the space dimensions while light) > moves entirely in the space dimensions.  >  > -- > Vance Haemmerle   D Can you clarify? If everything moves at the "speed" of light, how doF "most of us" move slower? And who's not moving slower? Only "massless"D particles (those whose "rest mass" or "proper mass" is zero) move atB the speed of light. I think the only known particles thought to beC massless are photons and gravitons. (There is now some evidence for B neutrinos having nonzero rest mass.) The rest of us have to trudge along!   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:52:26 -0800 8 From: Luc The Perverse <sll_NOSPAM_zm@remove.cc.usu.edu>6 Subject: FTP program connect to VMS client under linux> Message-ID: <pan.2004.12.07.06.52.13.801765@remove.cc.usu.edu>  J I have a little program I wrote in C++ - laughably simple, for managing my: indices on the left navbar.  This is on a suse 9.1 box.     F Problem - The location that is hosting my webpage runs on VMS and usesI some unusual protocals.  It calls itself FTP, but anything you can't pull . up in mozilla, doesn't classify in my book.     F I kept getting an error message that the directory didn't exist, and IJ messed with it for a long time, thinking I could get it working, but no, I couldn't.     E I telnetted in, but didn't have the patience to figure out the kermit K stuff (I was still adequately annoyed from the mozilla window not working.)   H So the annoying instructions, which only work in windows I resorted to. G They can be found here https://helpdesk.usu.edu/info/uploadwebpages.asp . but I will also cut and paste relevant parts.    Upload Your Website   Y Now you are ready to upload your site to the web. You need to use an FTP (File Transfer Protocol) program, such as WS-FTP or FETCH. All campus computers have the WS-FTP program already installed. If you want to put this program on your own computer, you can download it from the Computer Help Desk's site at http://helpdesk.usu.edu/downloads/.     WS-FTP Login Procedure      Open the program by first pressing "Start", then go to "All Programs", then open the "WS_FTP" folder and double click the "WS_FTP" icon.   You will then need to set up the session properties for your account as follows:                                                                     0 General Session Properties: (see picture below)  Profile name: USU VMS Cluster  Host Name/Address: cc.usu.edu  Host Type: VMS Multinet / User ID: (your VMS/Webmail username goes here)  2 Password: (leave this blank for security reasons)  Account: (leave this blank)  *Do not click OK*   / Startup Session Properties: (see picture below)   9 Under 'Initial Remote Site Folder' enter: [username.www]   Now click OK.        OK  E So ideally I would like my program to upload (or call another program , which uploads) my website to the ftp server.  I An acceptable alternative is being able to upload from linux, any program B which will recurse directories for me (command line preferred, gui
 acceptable)     I The unacceptable solution I have been using so far, is using WS_FTP under @ windows (since I do everything else with my webpage under linux)  < BTW - If anyone cares my webpage is http://cc.usu.edu/~sllzm   -LTP   :P   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2004 13:02:55 -0800   From: jordan.henderson@gmail.com6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UXC Message-ID: <1102364458.009214.159040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   2 Isn't Power single endian?  Or it was at one time?  G I don't remember which endian, but I recall that when they were porting G Windows to different architectures (MIPS and Alpha) that Power was left E out because the Windows base required a certain endian-ness and Power  couldn't or didn't support it.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:37:19 -0800* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX2 Message-ID: <s-WdnXfOuY2CQincRVn-3A@mpowercom.net>  . <jordan.henderson@gmail.com> wrote in message = news:1102364458.009214.159040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... 4 > Isn't Power single endian?  Or it was at one time? > I > I don't remember which endian, but I recall that when they were porting I > Windows to different architectures (MIPS and Alpha) that Power was left G > out because the Windows base required a certain endian-ness and Power   > couldn't or didn't support it. > I There was a short-lived Windows NT version for PPC.  I can't recall what  K kind of hardware it ran on, nor did it last very long.  I think it was one  * of the first NT versions to be killed off.   Jack Peacock     ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 05:07:42 GMT ! From: Lee Witten <lw99@yahoo.com> 6 Subject: Re: HP Expected to Drop Trucluster from HP-UX/ Message-ID: <Xns95B87B8231786nn48@199.125.85.9>   - "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote in + news:s-WdnXfOuY2CQincRVn-3A@mpowercom.net:  0 > <jordan.henderson@gmail.com> wrote in message ? > news:1102364458.009214.159040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... 5 >> Isn't Power single endian?  Or it was at one time?  >>B >> I don't remember which endian, but I recall that when they wereC >> porting Windows to different architectures (MIPS and Alpha) that A >> Power was left out because the Windows base required a certain 7 >> endian-ness and Power couldn't or didn't support it.  >>E > There was a short-lived Windows NT version for PPC.  I can't recall F > what kind of hardware it ran on, nor did it last very long.  I think7 > it was one of the first NT versions to be killed off.   L I forget the model number but indeed IBM did sell low end workstations that J could be used for either Windows NT or AIX.  I seem to recall that it was G either not possible or very difficult to change the 'console' of these  H systems so one could not readily run both operating systems on the same 	 hardware.   K As an aside, most of the Power PC embedded chips readily run little endian  E or big endian.  This was very helpful for me when I was porting code  K originally written for a little endian CPU (an Intel i960) on a Power PC.   7 I imagine this is an important feature for others, too.   I As of a few years ago, one could build all the GNU tools (GCC, gas, gdb,  I etc) for powerpcle i.e. power pc little endian.  They weren't often used  E this way, but they did work well, much better than vended tools that  ' claimed power pc little endian support.    --lw--   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:22:19 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> ; Subject: Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product! 2 Message-ID: <Lj2td.3960$Xf1.2711@news.cpqcorp.net>   Israel T wrote: @ > The days of HP's proprietory OS's are probably limited anyway.K > I can see them following SGI and abandoning all inhouse operating systems  > for Linux.  H VMS customers have heard the "VMS is going away and will be replaced by G X" line too many times and for too many values of "X" to fall for this  
 one again.  @ If you look into this in more depth, you'll find that there are F significant capabilities that VMS, NonStop, and HP-UX have that Linux I does not have (and is not likely to gain any time soon) and some that it   will never have.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:54:46 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing); Subject: Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product! 6 Message-ID: <00A3BF23.9BCB9842@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  f In article <Dl%sd.29138$Rf1.21715@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:7 >"Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message  8 >news:d7791aa1.0412051003.294b88f2@posting.google.com...@ >> What is this "you get a new file system one year early" bull?= >> If I were a tru64 user, or HP unix user for that matter, I ? >> would rather wait a year for a superior product then to have ? >> a generic substitute ... if anyone buys this baloney, then I & >> have some swamp land in Florida ... >> > M >It could be that HP looked at the TruCluster project and decided to dump it  G >because, if someone wants real clusters, they would sell them OpenVMS.   K I note that the recent BusinessWeek article "Carly's Choice" suggested that K Veritas was a desireable target for acquisition by HP.  If that were indeed O on HP's mind, they might want to endorse Veritas by using their software rather N than having to explain why they were trying to sell Veritas solutions to other# people and not using it themselves.    -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:09:01 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ; Subject: Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product! , Message-ID: <41B4D87C.9DE0B158@teksavvy.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:9 > Competing with Yet Another Unix is not very profitable.   C Well, this is the big existentialist question of the day isn't it ?   M If the above is true, then it is pointless to have anything but Linux, and no N vendor will differentiate itself except for colour of boxes, and how the boxesH are sold. Dell wins because they have more efficient sales/distribution.  N The one who still offers a different product with many added capabilities willN get a share of the market. How big a share ? Big question. According to carly, very little.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:14:35 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ; Subject: Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product! , Message-ID: <IM-dnTtQX9FmnijcRVn-3Q@igs.net>  , Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:F > In article <Dl%sd.29138$Rf1.21715@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>, "John# > Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes: 8 >> "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message: >> news:d7791aa1.0412051003.294b88f2@posting.google.com...A >>> What is this "you get a new file system one year early" bull? > >>> If I were a tru64 user, or HP unix user for that matter, I@ >>> would rather wait a year for a superior product then to have@ >>> a generic substitute ... if anyone buys this baloney, then I' >>> have some swamp land in Florida ...  >>>  >>F >> It could be that HP looked at the TruCluster project and decided toC >> dump it because, if someone wants real clusters, they would sell  >> them OpenVMS. > > > I note that the recent BusinessWeek article "Carly's Choice" > suggested thatF > Veritas was a desireable target for acquisition by HP.  If that were > indeedA > on HP's mind, they might want to endorse Veritas by using their  > software rather G > than having to explain why they were trying to sell Veritas solutions 
 > to other% > people and not using it themselves.     C Shades of Victor Kiam....."I liked the product so much I bought the 
 company."?  I See....that's just one example of how powerful advertising can be...an ad D that has not run in years yet people (at least one in North America)K remembers the product... Maybe we can bring ol' Vic back from the grave and 0 get him to buy VMS - at least he'd advertise it.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:10:48 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ; Subject: Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product! , Message-ID: <beWdnXPbi8CFnijcRVn-jQ@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:: >> Competing with Yet Another Unix is not very profitable. > E > Well, this is the big existentialist question of the day isn't it ?  > A > If the above is true, then it is pointless to have anything but E > Linux, and no vendor will differentiate itself except for colour of E > boxes, and how the boxes are sold. Dell wins because they have more  > efficient sales/distribution.  > > > The one who still offers a different product with many addedD > capabilities will get a share of the market. How big a share ? Big, > question. According to carly, very little.    F Maybe she's clairvoyent....or perhaps it's just that she uses Clairol.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2004 12:29:32 -0800  From: bob@instantwhip.com H Subject: Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMSC Message-ID: <1102364972.640933.207140@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Joe Matuscak wrote:  > E > The long and the short of this is that I dont think its accurate to  call< > Linux "a piece of $#!]", at least compared to the (viable)
 alternatives.  >  > -- > Joe Matuscak > Rohrer Corporation > 717 Seville Road > Wadsworth, OH 44281   E no, it is accurate, because linux is trying to reinvent the wheel ... B It will never be what VMS is, no matter how many patched up piecesF of code they add to it ... as for software, VMS has many solutions ...  A You want DNS and emai?  Try OpenVMS TCPware PMDF Sophos antivirus @ and Precisemail anti spam software ... no other vendors solution> can match it, and it is completely virus proof and UNHACKABLE!   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2004 13:03:07 -0800  From: bob@instantwhip.com H Subject: Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMSC Message-ID: <1102364999.382121.223150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Joe Matuscak wrote:  > E > The long and the short of this is that I dont think its accurate to  call< > Linux "a piece of $#!]", at least compared to the (viable)
 alternatives.  >  > -- > Joe Matuscak > Rohrer Corporation > 717 Seville Road > Wadsworth, OH 44281   E no, it is accurate, because linux is trying to reinvent the wheel ... B It will never be what VMS is, no matter how many patched up piecesF of code they add to it ... as for software, VMS has many solutions ...  A You want DNS and emai?  Try OpenVMS TCPware PMDF Sophos antivirus @ and Precisemail anti spam software ... no other vendors solution> can match it, and it is completely virus proof and UNHACKABLE!   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:44:39 -05002 From: Chip Coldwell <coldwell@physics.harvard.edu> Subject: ldiq/ldil in Macro64 H Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0412061441420.31273-100000@frank.harvard.edu>  J The Digital Unix/OSF1/Tru64 Alpha assembler provides ldil (load immediate J longword) and ldiq (load immediate quadword) macros for loading constants I into registers.  I took a peak as the gas sources (the GNU assembler for  H Alpha also provides these macros) and the implementation in machine ops E looks pretty gnarly.  Does MACRO64 provide anything similar to these   macros?    Chip   --   Charles M. "Chip" Coldwell System Administrator Harvard Physics Department 617-495-3388   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:47:50 GMT ( From: "John Hayes" <hayes1966@yahoo.com>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS V7.3-2 License issue = Message-ID: <qP1td.29192$Rf1.5488@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>   	 Hi Peter,   : I hope that this sheds a little more light on the problem.  	 $ show us   7       OpenVMS User Processes at  6-DEC-2004 13:42:31.63 9     Total number of users = 22,  number of processes = 67   5  Username    Node     Interactive  Subprocess   Batch )  CATHY      ALPHA1            1         1 )  CHERI      ALPHA2            2         2 )  DAN        ALPHA1            2         2 )  DYAN       ALPHA1            1         1 )  ERIK       ALPHA1            1         1 )  GARY       ALPHA2            1         1 )  GEOFF      ALPHA2            1         1 )  GRAZIA     ALPHA2            1         1 )  JENNIFER   ALPHA2            2         2   JOHN       ALPHA1            2 )  KAREN      ALPHA2            1         1 )  KARYN      ALPHA2            1         1 )  LORI       ALPHA1            3         3 )  NAIOMI     ALPHA1            2         2 )  PAULA      ALPHA1            2         2 )  PHIL       ALPHA1            1         1 )  PHIL       ALPHA2            1         1 )  RICK       ALPHA2            2         2 )  ROY        ALPHA2            2         2 3  SYSTEM     ALPHA1            1         -         1   SYSTEM     ALPHA2            1 )  TARA       ALPHA1            1         1 )  TARA       ALPHA2            1         1 )  WAREHOUSE  ALPHA1            1         1 )  WOODIE     ALPHA2            1         1      $show license/usage/full *vms*  & [ALPHA1] show license/usage/full *vms*  D View of loaded licenses from node ALPHA1                 6-DEC-2004  13:43:26.52   5 ACTIVITY license DEC OPENVMS-ALPHA usage information:          Availability: 0          Activity: A          Version:  0.0          Release Date: (none)          Termination Date: (none)         NO_SHARE>     Pid        Process Name      Units   Username         Node@     20202576   WAREHOUSE            75   WAREHOUSE        ALPHA1A     Units loaded: 75    Units allocated: 75    Units available: 0   9 ACTIVITY license DEC OPENVMS-ALPHA-ADL usage information:          Availability: 0          Activity: 100          Version:  0.0          Release Date: (none)          Termination Date: (none)>     Pid        Process Name      Units   Username         Node@     2020095C   _OPA0:              100   SYSTEM           ALPHA1@     204002AD   _OPA0:              100   SYSTEM           ALPHA2@     2020256A   JOHN                100   JOHN             ALPHA1@     20400F63   KAREN               100   KAREN            ALPHA2@     20400F65   GRAZIA              100   GRAZIA           ALPHA2@     20202879   PAULA               100   PAULA            ALPHA1@     20202E7B   _TNA371:            100   PAULA            ALPHA1@     20400F67   RICK                100   RICK             ALPHA2@     20401069   _TNA455:            100   RICK             ALPHA2@     20400E6B   JENNIFER            100   JENNIFER         ALPHA2@     2040106C   _TNA457:            100   JENNIFER         ALPHA2@     2020267E   NAIOMI              100   NAIOMI           ALPHA1@     2040106F   ROY                 100   ROY              ALPHA2@     20401071   _TNA459:            100   ROY              ALPHA2@     20202A80   CATHY               100   CATHY            ALPHA1@     20202B81   DYAN                100   DYAN             ALPHA1@     20202603   LORI                100   LORI             ALPHA1@     20202805   _TNA376:            100   LORI             ALPHA1@     2020241D   _TNA377:            100   NAIOMI           ALPHA1@     20202426   _TNA378:            100   LORI             ALPHA1@     20400D73   CHERI               100   CHERI            ALPHA2@     20400E75   _TNA461:            100   CHERI            ALPHA2@     20202233   _TNA381:            100   JOHN             ALPHA1@     20400F7B   KARYN               100   KARYN            ALPHA2@     20401080   GEOFF               100   GEOFF            ALPHA2@     20401082   WOODIE              100   WOODIE           ALPHA2@     20202861   PHIL                100   PHIL             ALPHA1@     20401088   GARY                100   GARY             ALPHA2@     20400E8F   TARA                100   TARA             ALPHA2@     20202765   TARA                100   TARA             ALPHA1@     20202D84   DAN                 100   DAN              ALPHA1@     20202102   _LTA5059:           100   DAN              ALPHA1@     20202456   ERIK                100   ERIK             ALPHA1G     Units loaded: 4000    Units allocated: 3300    Units available: 700   6 AVAILABILITY license DEC VMSCLUSTER usage information:         Availability: H          Activity: 0          Version:  0.0          Release Date: (none)          Termination Date: (none)     Units   Node      1050   ALPHA1      1050   ALPHA2E     Units loaded: 2100    Units allocated: 2100    Units available: 0     2 [ALPHA1] show proces/rights/subprocess/id=20202585  G  6-DEC-2004 13:44:58.72   User: DAN              Process ID:   20202585 H                           Node: ALPHA1           Process name: "DAN_158"   Process rights: +  DAN                               resource   INTERACTIVE  LOCAL   System rights:  SYS$NODE_ALPHA1   Soft CPU Affinity: off  " There are 2 processes in this job:     DAN      DAN_158 (*)      My program does a    xcall lib$spawn("$RUN "+prgram)   John  H "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message & news:31jn8rF3abs0pU1@individual.net... > John Hayes wrote:  >> Hi, >>D >> Recently (not sure when it started happening) our system has beenD >> grabbing an openvms license for each process the user creates. We? >> have an application that spawns a new process as part of the G >> application and each of these seperate processes grab a license. Any  >>...  > G > Haven't seen it myself, I do not have a 7.3-2 system that I can reach B > right now to test, but I'm sure I would have noticed if this was > happening. > ? > Just to be sure that these are subprocesses try doing a "show  > license/usage/full *vms*"  > . > Then for every process ID you see do a "show% > process/rights/subprocesses/id=pid"  > J > If you do have sub-processes requesting licenses then post an example ofI > how the spawn is happening, is it a DCL spawn or a system service call?  >  > --   > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  > Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  > www.weaverconsulting.ca  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:23:22 -0500< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS V7.3-2 License issue , Message-ID: <31jptcF3cf00lU1@individual.net>   John Hayes wrote:  >...+ >  DAN        ALPHA1            2         2  >...B >     20202D84   DAN                 100   DAN              ALPHA1B >     20202102   _LTA5059:           100   DAN              ALPHA1 >...4 > [ALPHA1] show proces/rights/subprocess/id=20202585 > > >  6-DEC-2004 13:44:58.72   User: DAN              Process ID:C >                           20202585 Node: ALPHA1           Process  > name: "DAN_158"  >...  G Well it shows that the subprocess is not requesting a license (20202585 F does not show up in the SHOW LICENSE output), so that is not where theB problem lies.  It does look like DAN is logged in on two differentD terminals, try a SHOW USER/FULL DAN and you should see two differentG terminal names and depending on how DAN is connecting (IP, LAT, DECNet) % you may see where each one came from.   H Was the user connected through a PC terminal emulator and his PC crashedF so he restarted the emulator but VMS did not see the original terminalB go away? Or was a new hire brought in and rather than giving him aB username DAN gave out his username and password? Or maybe DAN justG figured out that running two terminals made his work easier? Maybe half 1 a dozen other reasons could be the cause of this.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 20:01:34 GMT ( From: "John Hayes" <hayes1966@yahoo.com>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS V7.3-2 License issue = Message-ID: <yU2td.40813$Qv5.3786@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>    Peter,  L I just noticed something looking at the show license command. It is listing I users from both nodes of the cluster. We have 40 licenses loaded on each  J node. I am just wondering if it is not really taking it to be 40 per node  but 40 in total.   John  H "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message & news:31jptcF3cf00lU1@individual.net... > John Hayes wrote:  >>... , >>  DAN        ALPHA1            2         2 >>... C >>     20202D84   DAN                 100   DAN              ALPHA1 C >>     20202102   _LTA5059:           100   DAN              ALPHA1  >>... 5 >> [ALPHA1] show proces/rights/subprocess/id=20202585  >>? >>  6-DEC-2004 13:44:58.72   User: DAN              Process ID: D >>                           20202585 Node: ALPHA1           Process >> name: "DAN_158" >>...  > I > Well it shows that the subprocess is not requesting a license (20202585 H > does not show up in the SHOW LICENSE output), so that is not where theD > problem lies.  It does look like DAN is logged in on two differentF > terminals, try a SHOW USER/FULL DAN and you should see two differentI > terminal names and depending on how DAN is connecting (IP, LAT, DECNet)D' > you may see where each one came from.e >oJ > Was the user connected through a PC terminal emulator and his PC crashedH > so he restarted the emulator but VMS did not see the original terminalD > go away? Or was a new hire brought in and rather than giving him aD > username DAN gave out his username and password? Or maybe DAN justI > figured out that running two terminals made his work easier? Maybe half 3 > a dozen other reasons could be the cause of this.t >c > --   > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc.M > Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXn > www.weaverconsulting.ca2 >c >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:03:07 -0500< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS V7.3-2 License issueP, Message-ID: <31jvoeF3cgemnU1@individual.net>   John Hayes wrote:  >...E > I just noticed something looking at the show license command. It istC > listing users from both nodes of the cluster. We have 40 licenses E > loaded on each node. I am just wondering if it is not really takingg' > it to be 40 per node but 40 in total.  >...  D Your licenses should be in a common database on the cluster and eachG member should be sharing the common database.  From what I see it looks A like you should have a maximum of 42 users on the cluster. 1 from C OPENVMS-ALPHA on ALPHA1, 1 (I'm guessing) from OPENVMS-ALPHA on thepH second node and 40 from OPENVMS-ALPHA-ADL that is shared between the two nodes.  G Check the logical LMF$LICENSE on both nodes and make sure they are bothi@ pointing to the same file if the logical is defined. dir/file_idD lmf$license on both nodes should produce the same result if you have
 this logical.-  G If the LMF$LICENSE logical is not defined then the file LMF$LICENSE.LDB2D should be in SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]. If both nodes do not give the sameE answer to the command dir/file_id sys$system:lmf$license.ldb then you. have problems.  E If LIC/LIST OPENVMS-ALPHA-ADL does not show the same information from D both nodes then you have one ADL in one database and one in another.   -- 0 Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.k Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2004 13:21:06 -0800 ' From: "DL Phillips" <whohe@whoever.com>.0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org comp.os.vms link failedC Message-ID: <1102368066.472818.257320@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>s   Alan E. Feldman wrote:G > clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) wrote inn7 message news:<Axw5BU7jgwgJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>...qG > > In article <1101982184.952623.216270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,n2 "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:9 > > > As Google changed the format of the News Group toolB; > > > I ask to Ken Farmer to change the OpenVMS.org button.M > > > I use it a lot ;-) > > > 
 > > > Regards2 > > >$ > > > Fabio Cardoson > > >  > >h1 > > That new Google style is absolutely horrible.t >r >a	 > Agreed.  >i >iF > > It looks like it has been designed by a Microsoftie let loose with al! > > HTML tool for the first time.  >h >:F > Agreed. I've already to Google responded with my review. I hope they > get swamped with complaints. >s >r  D If you choose -View-Titles-Only- and -Sort-Date-of-Most-Recent-Post-@ then it's pretty close to the old. As you scroll up and down theD message list, the little delta pointer moves up and down to point to& the message you are currently viewing.  F It looks like new posts hit within minutes now rather that hours, too. That's a good change.t  G It seems there are a few problems with quoting test in a reply, though. D I had to click "show options" and "reply" on the message header line5 rather than "reply" at the footer to get quoted text.t  G And, I think a horizontal line between messages would help readability.o  ( I guess that's why they call it "beta";)  D After the initial anxiety of "oh no, they moved my cheese!", I think I'll adjust.    DougD   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 10:51:16 -0800s# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>t! Subject: Re: OT: HP and US dollarn( Message-ID: <opsilnzqwuzgicya@hyrrokkin>  G On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:30:09 -0700, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:r   >n >u > leslie wrote:.1 >> JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com) wrote:oH >> : The US dollar has been losing ground against major currencies at anI >> : accelerated pace since early November. This can affect positively oreL >> : negatively major US corporations, depending on whether they are net :   >> exporters or importers.K >> :  If Morgan Stanley's chief economist is right, HP's status as importerh1 >> or exporter will be the least of our problems:  >>   -K >>    http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=55356CB >>    BostonHerald.com - Business: Economic `Armageddon' predicted& >>    "Economic `Armageddon' predicted& >>    By Brett Arends/ On State Street  >>    Tuesday, November 23, 2004G >>     Stephen Roach, the chief economist at investment banking giant  d	 >> Morgano9 >>    Stanley, has a public reputation for being bearish.$7 >>     But you should hear what he's saying in private.gE >>     Roach met select groups of fund managers downtown last week,   $ >> including    a group at Fidelity.H >>     His prediction: America has no better than a 10 percent chance of' >>    avoiding economic ``armageddon.''eC >>     Press were not allowed into the meetings. But the Herald hasuJ >>    obtained a copy of Roach's presentation. A stunned source who was atI >>    one meeting said, ``it struck me how extreme he was - much more, itr% >>    seemed to me, than in public.''EF >>     Roach sees a 30 percent chance of a slump soon and a 60 percentK >>    chance that ``we'll muddle through for a while and delay the eventualt >>    armageddon.''Z9 >>     The chance we'll get through OK: one in 10. Maybe. 
 >>     [snip] C >>     Smart people downtown agree with much of the analysis. It is>F >>    undeniable that America is living in a ``debt bubble'' of record >>    proportions.F >>     But they argue there may be an alternative scenario to Roach's.H >>    Greenspan might instead deliberately allow the dollar to slump andH >>    inflation to rise, whittling away at the value of today's consumer >>    debts in real terms.H >>     Inflation of 7 percent a year halves ``real'' values in a decade.. >>     It may be the only way out of the trap.B >>     Higher interest rates, or higher inflation: Either way, theG >>    biggest losers will be long-term lenders at fixed interest rates.cF >>     You wouldn't want to hold 30-year Treasuries, which today yield >>    just 4.83 percent."h4 >>   Time to bury gold and AK-47s in the back yard ? >> >uI > I've been pondering the problem for quite a while now.  A much bigger   @ > problem is looming in connection with an economic crises and  J > bankruptcy...  almost all of our goods come from China.  As the dollar  I > weakens the price of goods will also rise along with any inflationary   K > rises.  I'd say you better get everything fixed or purchased now or you   G > won't even be able to afford them.  Of course there may be a bright   H > lining in this black cloud.  Start up our old factories that used to   > make the goods.y  ' The Chinese peg the yaun to the dollar.* >+J > Another problem, if there is an economic crises, we need food.  Who is  H > going to take gold for food?  Maybe my sack of spuds will be worth a  F > pound of gold.  Right now, we hear "Buy gold!".  Well, even if you  K > physically hold the gold and the gov. devalues the dollar in half, what  sK > will the price of gold be set at?  If the value isn't at least twice as  uI > much, then it will be a scam to part the fool from his money or gold.  s > Hopefully, this won't happen.a >n- Last I checked US was a net exporter of food.t       -- oC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/c   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:48:04 -0600< From: "Stanley Reynolds" <nospam_stanley_reynolds@yahoo.com>! Subject: Re: OT: HP and US dollare3 Message-ID: <Po6dnYrIl_xmKyncRVn-ug@pghconnect.com>i  J > >> : The US dollar has been losing ground against major currencies at anK > >> : accelerated pace since early November. This can affect positively ortL > >> : negatively major US corporations, depending on whether they are net : > >> exporters or importers.  J The effect is more complex for a global company with production as well asK profits world wide. A product produced and sold outside the US may generategK a profit which would be greater due to the lower dollar but it would not beoI an import or export to the US. Some companies hedge currency to level outo> earnings and this would distort any advantage or disadvantage.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:24:43 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Re: OT: HP and US dollar , Message-ID: <c6mdnW_q252HUyncRVn-ow@igs.net>   Tom Linden wrote:a > ) > The Chinese peg the yaun to the dollar.      For the moment.P  G The US gov't is urging China to float their currency but China probablylJ won't do that until they've sucked every bit of production they can out ofJ the US for long-term strategic geo-political reasons. Only then might theyK float the currency. Basically they are using the US consumer to build theiriE economy and heavily upgrading their strategic armed forces (carriers,a etc...).  L There's a saying in boating circles that a yacht is a hole in the water intoI which you sink money. Shrub continues to sink money into that hole in thex sand called Iraq.w  L Since he came to office, the US has had a net swing of nearly $1 trillion inG the annual budget deficit (this years vs. last year of Clinton), and an ' aggregate change of nearly $3 trillion.r  B In Japan at the height of the real estate bubble, average homes inD reasonable proximity to major urban centers became so expensive thatK mortgages were unaffordable - the only way average people could afford them ' is if they took out 100 year mortgages.   J At the present rate, the US is mortgaging its future at a fast and furious" rate. Hope you enjoy Chinese food.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:27:37 -0500n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>r! Subject: Re: OT: HP and US dollarf, Message-ID: <41B4DCD7.1089EE81@teksavvy.com>   John Smith wrote:aI > The US gov't is urging China to float their currency but China probably"L > won't do that until they've sucked every bit of production they can out of8 > the US for long-term strategic geo-political reasons.   P China holds a LOT of US debts, treasury bills etc. Those are denominated in USD.  I If the YUAN is allowed to float, the net result is that the USD will dropbN against the YUAN (and probably against many other currencies since the YUAN is# helping support the USD right now).W  K To the Chinese, if the USD drops, then their massive investments in the USA  will also drop in net value.  I To third world nations that have debts in USD,  having the USD devalue isnN great because their monthly payments end up going down since it will cost much1 less to buy  USDs to make their monthly payments.(  M If you know that the USD will continue to drop, you wait until it hits bottompN become you buy into USD investments, and then ride the wave as the USD regainsH value. But during the "wait" period, it will make the USD drop even more! because everyone will be waiting.e  2 Some analysts say the USD will drop to 1.40 euros.  N In terms of corporations such as HP, they may have hedges on foreign exchange, but those eventually run out.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:50:53 -07005" From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>! Subject: Re: OT: HP and US dollar 0 Message-ID: <x5WdnYQUNO0yYCncRVn-uw@bresnan.com>   JF Mezei wrote:g > John Smith wrote:c > I >>The US gov't is urging China to float their currency but China probablywL >>won't do that until they've sucked every bit of production they can out of8 >>the US for long-term strategic geo-political reasons.  >  > R > China holds a LOT of US debts, treasury bills etc. Those are denominated in USD. > K > If the YUAN is allowed to float, the net result is that the USD will droprP > against the YUAN (and probably against many other currencies since the YUAN is% > helping support the USD right now).2 > M > To the Chinese, if the USD drops, then their massive investments in the USA1 > will also drop in net value. > K > To third world nations that have debts in USD,  having the USD devalue is P > great because their monthly payments end up going down since it will cost much3 > less to buy  USDs to make their monthly payments.t > O > If you know that the USD will continue to drop, you wait until it hits bottomoP > become you buy into USD investments, and then ride the wave as the USD regainsJ > value. But during the "wait" period, it will make the USD drop even more# > because everyone will be waiting.  > 4 > Some analysts say the USD will drop to 1.40 euros.  H I'm not sure which direction the value of a dollar to a Euro takes.  It D is now at $1.34 to the Euro.  So if the dollar goes which direction . against the Euro if it is decreasing in value?  B I'm still trying to figure out why Gold is such a good investment.G Something about the latest ads concerning Gold bothers me.  It's as if .F the financial community is trying to dump gold on the market for some  later profit gains.  ???   > P > In terms of corporations such as HP, they may have hedges on foreign exchange, > but those eventually run out.>   -- g! ---------------------------------  Th3 G0ld3n Yrs Sux0r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:09:49 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>'! Subject: Re: OT: HP and US dollarh, Message-ID: <IZWdnUcD-9hAnyjcRVn-iQ@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:n > John Smith wrote:oA >> The US gov't is urging China to float their currency but ChinaTF >> probably won't do that until they've sucked every bit of productionH >> they can out of the US for long-term strategic geo-political reasons. >A> > China holds a LOT of US debts, treasury bills etc. Those are > denominated in USD.  >nF > If the YUAN is allowed to float, the net result is that the USD willC > drop against the YUAN (and probably against many other currenciesm7 > since the YUAN is helping support the USD right now).  >sE > To the Chinese, if the USD drops, then their massive investments inf& > the USA will also drop in net value. > @ > To third world nations that have debts in USD,  having the USD > devalue isF > great because their monthly payments end up going down since it will= > cost much less to buy  USDs to make their monthly payments.e >sC > If you know that the USD will continue to drop, you wait until it D > hits bottom become you buy into USD investments, and then ride theF > wave as the USD regains value. But during the "wait" period, it will? > make the USD drop even more because everyone will be waiting.e >a4 > Some analysts say the USD will drop to 1.40 euros. >6F > In terms of corporations such as HP, they may have hedges on foreign) > exchange, but those eventually run out.     L Lots of people, corporations, and governments are easing up on their holdingG of US dollars and US-dollar denominated debt. That's one (not the only)eK reason why US interest rates are starting to edge up. The dollar's weakness H relative to most G30 currencies has been in the works for a while and it. appears likely that it will continue to slide.  L Perhaps this discussion ought to be taken to alt.us.dollar.slide.slide slide   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:36:33 -0500-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: Re: OT: HP and US dollarE, Message-ID: <41B5172C.753FFD46@teksavvy.com>   GreyCloud wrote:I > I'm not sure which direction the value of a dollar to a Euro takes.  It.E > is now at $1.34 to the Euro.  So if the dollar goes which directionp0 > against the Euro if it is decreasing in value?  < Currently, 1 Euro => 1.34 USD or   1 USD gets you 0.74 euros  7 In 2002, 1 Euro = 0.82 USD  or 1 USD got you 1.21 eurosW  L So, if a chocolate bar sold for 1 Euro in Paris 2002, it would only cost you 0.82 in US money. L Today the same chocolate bar costs you $1.34, or a 62% increase for you. The8 canadian dollar only appreciated 37% during that period.  L As the value of the euro rises, europeans get more USD money when exchanging; their euros, americans get fewer euros when exchanging USD.m  B http://www.xe.com/ucc/  is a good place to get raw exchange rates.  D > I'm still trying to figure out why Gold is such a good investment.  L Gold is just like a currency, esxcpt when you buy it, you're only betting onG its value changing and not getting any dividends or interest payments. n  H > Something about the latest ads concerning Gold bothers me.  It's as ifG > the financial community is trying to dump gold on the market for someA > later profit gains.  ???  K No, they are just luring scared investors to something that has an image ofp stability, reliability etc.:   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2004 12:09:11 -0800B' From: "Mikeal" <Mikeal.Clark@gmail.com>g' Subject: Re: pathworks and domain trustrC Message-ID: <1102363751.936452.112100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>t    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > In articleF <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F950@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>,, Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com> writes:C > >Does pathworks have a way to configure at #Pre #Dom with a locale	 host files > >like lmhost does in windows?  >l- > Yes. Exactly this. See PWRK$LANMAN:LMHOSTS.p >l > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERe' > Network and OpenVMS system specialisti > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.at@ > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   6 Thank you for the help that is what I was looking for.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2004 12:10:11 -08003' From: "Mikeal" <Mikeal.Clark@gmail.com> ' Subject: Re: pathworks and domain trust3C Message-ID: <1102363811.261062.198380@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>i    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > In articleF <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F950@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>,, Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com> writes:C > >Does pathworks have a way to configure at #Pre #Dom with a localn	 host file  > >like lmhost does in windows?w > - > Yes. Exactly this. See PWRK$LANMAN:LMHOSTS.  >e > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.at@ > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realistd  6 Thank you for the help that is what I was looking for.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2004 13:02:29 -0800r' From: "Mikeal" <Mikeal.Clark@gmail.com> ' Subject: Re: pathworks and domain trustuB Message-ID: <1102363771.054652.95980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > In articleF <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F950@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>,, Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com> writes:C > >Does pathworks have a way to configure at #Pre #Dom with a locals	 host fileu > >like lmhost does in windows?a > - > Yes. Exactly this. See PWRK$LANMAN:LMHOSTS.n >. > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist) > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.at@ > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realists  6 Thank you for the help that is what I was looking for.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:18:34 -0500$ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com>' Subject: Re: pathworks and domain trustW, Message-ID: <cp2ibf$nv3$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>  
 Hi Mikeal,  3 "Mikeal" <Mikeal.Clark@gmail.com> wrote in message o< news:1102363771.054652.95980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com..." > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:
 >> In articleeH > <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F950@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>,. > Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com> writes:D >> >Does pathworks have a way to configure at #Pre #Dom with a local > host filei  >> >like lmhost does in windows? >>. >> Yes. Exactly this. See PWRK$LANMAN:LMHOSTS. >> >> --a >> Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER( >> Network and OpenVMS system specialist >> E-mail  peter@langstoeger.attA >> A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm au	 > realist. > 8 > Thank you for the help that is what I was looking for. >0  J Also be aware that you must enable LMHOSTS lookup on the PATHWORKS server $ before it will use the LMHOSTS file:   $ admin/config Select the Transports button2 Tab to the LMHOSTS option and press the space bar.  I You will need to restart PATHWORKS for this change to take affect.  Once aK enabled, you can make changes on-the-fly to the lmhosts file, but you need  G Advanced Server v7.3A or later to reload the TCP/IP NetBIOS name cache.   J If you're running Advanced Server for OpenVMS v7.3A or later you can view 8 the NetBIOS name cache and dynamically reload the cache:  # $ @sys$startup:pwrk$define_commands. $ nbshow knbcacheM $ nbshow knbcache reload   HTH,   Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:02:42 -0500s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> D Subject: Re: Reinstalling DECwindows after losing it during upgrade?, Message-ID: <41B4D701.58311E81@teksavvy.com>   Charlie Hammond wrote:D > Yes.  Stop messing around with options -- just install EVERYTHING.J > HP strongly recommends this becausse... well, you now know why, I guess.  / OK, maybe you can reduce some of the confusion:g  K On VAX, one must first install the DECwindows "support" files. (fonts etc).pN This is VMS specific and not related to Motif per say. This is part of the VMSL installation procedure but is optional. If you do not install this with VMS,E you can install it later with the SYS$UPDATE:DECW$TAILOR.EXE utility.   B Once that is done, you can then install the Motif layered product.   ----  L On Alpha, are the decwindows support files an option during VMS installation" or are they installed by default ?  G On Alpha, does the installation CD give the equivalent functionality ofo6 DECW$TAILOR, or must one re-install VMS from scratch ?  J Or does the Alpha version of Motif include both motif and the decw support files ?0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:24:40 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>4- Subject: Replacing shareable image routines ?a, Message-ID: <41B4EA32.59CAC9AA@teksavvy.com>  M Lets say there is function bake$cake in a system provided shareable image andn3 I want to update it to better handle its functions.a  L If I create my own bake$cake function, are there magic tricks when I like itH into my own shareable image to make my bake$cake take precedent over theI system provided one without the linker complaining about multiply definedd	 symbols ?m  L In practical terms, I'd like to compile some of the Motif 2.3 code/functionsN to override the ancient functions on VAX-VMS. I know I can't compile the wholeJ thing due to the even more ancient Xlib on VAX, but I might be able to getH some of the modern functionality up, which would allow easier porting of modern apps to VMS.o  N So I'd want my own alternate but partial motif shareable image to replace onlyH some of the functions in the DEC provided Motif shareable image. Is that
 possible ?   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2004 17:42:06 -0800  From: dooleys@snowy.net.au1 Subject: Re: Replacing shareable image routines ? C Message-ID: <1102383726.877754.280120@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:LE > Lets say there is function bake$cake in a system provided shareable 	 image and 5 > I want to update it to better handle its functions.  > F > If I create my own bake$cake function, are there magic tricks when I like it F > into my own shareable image to make my bake$cake take precedent over the C > system provided one without the linker complaining about multiplyN defined  > symbols ?  > ? > In practical terms, I'd like to compile some of the Motif 2.3  code/functionsF > to override the ancient functions on VAX-VMS. I know I can't compile	 the whole E > thing due to the even more ancient Xlib on VAX, but I might be ableS to getG > some of the modern functionality up, which would allow easier porting  of > modern apps to VMS.  > C > So I'd want my own alternate but partial motif shareable image to  replace onlyE > some of the functions in the DEC provided Motif shareable image. Is  that > possible ? Since I've never done this...s' If you put your shared image in jfshare 1 and define/sys/exec allshare as jfshare,sys$share: and your linker options containE allshare:motif$share.exe/share< Would the linker search the shared images in both locations,* but use your custom version in preference?3 Using /MAP/FULL in the link command will reveal alli If you google form4 "Resolving Link-Time Conflicts with Multiple C RTLs" it may also help Phil   ------------------------------  " Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:16:16 GMT. From: "J K Werner" <james.k.werner@boeing.com> Subject: Scripted Mail Agent?n( Message-ID: <I8BEv3.8FA@news.boeing.com>  D I Worked in Open VMS several years ago, UNIX and Perl more recently.  J I want to programatically intercept mail sent to an Open VMS user account,I filter for specific subjects and, when found, read the body, extract dataH* and perform file processing on the system.  . I would like to code the agent in Perl or DCL.  ( Can this be done in a scripted language?   Any ideas will be appreciated,
 Jim Werner   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2004 12:46:05 -0800  From: blokey@gmail.com! Subject: Re: Scripted Mail Agent?AC Message-ID: <1102365965.464900.305340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   : I do just that... using a piece of freeware called DELIVER  D Mail to my VMS box to certain users is forwarded to DELIVER%USERNAME. and the MAIL.DELIVERY file runs a DCL program.  D I use it to look for certain to/from addresses (lists and stuff) and divert the mail 8 to the correct place whilst adding headers and stuff....  < If you want I can email you the DCL and MAIL.DELIVERY stuff.  C One little gotcha is that DELIVER can't (easily)  forward a message % whilst not changing the FROM address. G I cheat and use TCPware's Submit from file and just make my own to/from1
 addresses.     J K Werner wrote:0F > I Worked in Open VMS several years ago, UNIX and Perl more recently. >_C > I want to programatically intercept mail sent to an Open VMS user3 account,F > filter for specific subjects and, when found, read the body, extract data, > and perform file processing on the system. > 0 > I would like to code the agent in Perl or DCL. > * > Can this be done in a scripted language? >   > Any ideas will be appreciated, > Jim Werner   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:58:42 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)! Subject: Re: Scripted Mail Agent?O1 Message-ID: <newscache$txib8i$img1$1@news.sil.at>   Y In article <I8BEv3.8FA@news.boeing.com>, "J K Werner" <james.k.werner@boeing.com> writes: E >I Worked in Open VMS several years ago, UNIX and Perl more recently.0 >TK >I want to programatically intercept mail sent to an Open VMS user account, J >filter for specific subjects and, when found, read the body, extract data+ >and perform file processing on the system.N > / >I would like to code the agent in Perl or DCL.  >1) >Can this be done in a scripted language?d   I think so.t   >Any ideas will be appreciated,e  2 *) SITE interface of Matt Madison's MX SMTP mailer *) DELIVER freewarev" *) PMDF Mailer of Process Software ...    -- s Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 01:36:00 GMTo6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>! Subject: Re: Scripted Mail Agent? > Message-ID: <4O7td.33863$Mu3.1997419@twister.southeast.rr.com>  $ <blokey@gmail.com> wrote in message = news:1102365933.723535.303080@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...y >m< > I do just that... using a piece of freeware called DELIVER > F > Mail to my VMS box to certain users is forwarded to DELIVER%USERNAME0 > and the MAIL.DELIVERY file runs a DCL program. >tF > I use it to look for certain to/from addresses (lists and stuff) and > divert the maili: > to the correct place whilst adding headers and stuff.... > > > If you want I can email you the DCL and MAIL.DELIVERY stuff. >nE > One little gotcha is that DELIVER can't (easily)  forward a messagea' > whilst not changing the FROM address.aI > I cheat and use TCPware's Submit from file and just make my own to/fromn > addresses. >  >  > J K Werner wrote:eG >> I Worked in Open VMS several years ago, UNIX and Perl more recently.b >>D >> I want to programatically intercept mail sent to an Open VMS user
 > account,G >> filter for specific subjects and, when found, read the body, extract  > data- >> and perform file processing on the system.r >>1 >> I would like to code the agent in Perl or DCL.e >>+ >> Can this be done in a scripted language?x >>! >> Any ideas will be appreciated, 
 >> Jim Wernerw >r  5 Can you post DCL procedure on http://dcl.openvms.org?e   Kenn   OpenVMS.orgs% _____________________________________  Kenneth R. Farmer <><c& SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 20:37:24 GMTr% From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net>c: Subject: Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?3 Message-ID: <slrncr9gq1.s0j.rivie@Stench.no.domain>   . On 2004-12-06, Barry <dysert@gmail.com> wrote:I > Would someone be so kind as the answer the original question, i.e., how0H > can I do the equivalent of a standalone backup under Windows?  I'm notD > interested in decompression, but in doing a full backup of my hardI > drive while Windows is doing as little as possible.  I have W98SE.  Who0H > knows the best way to do a complete (/IMAGE) backup of my C drive even* > while I'm up and running off C?  Thanks!  C Symantec's Ghost is supposed to be able to do that sort of thing. It? don't have a lot of experience with it, though, and what littlegA experience I have is very recent. And I am sorely, sorely missing  standalone backup.  G While mousing around the other day, my wife accidentally dropped 10,000tH files on the root directory. This caused the system to fragment the rootG directory, something up with which the bootstrap cannot put. Of course,rH the error message is simply 'NTLDIR is missing', even though the file isC sitting right there in front of your face. And the standard WindersaE defragmenting tools can't deal with this, so I'm having to defragmentaB the old fashioned way: make a complete backup and restore from the backup.e  F Of course, since I can't run from the disk I'm trying to fix, I had toC slap in an extra disk to load an OS on so that I can do the backup.-H Although Systemworks comes with a 'Rescue Disk', a bootable Winders diskA with recovery tools, those tools DO NOT include tools to create aeF backup; only to restore one. So I had to slap in an extra hard disk to boot from to make a backup.o  ! Further complicating matters are:i  H   - I attempted to use the Windows XP installation CD's 'Repair' featureH     before I slapped a disk in the system to make a backup. That did not     work for two reasons:a  0     A) it doesn't defragment the root directory.  C     B) Some portions of the system have apparently been upgraded by.C        Windows Update, so they require bits that aren't repaired by D        the installation CD (which is the original XP). Consequently,F        the 'Repaired' system CANNOT BOOT to complete the repair. Argh!  D     This means that the backup I took after attempting a 'Repair' is     useless.  L   - Fortunately, I had taken a backup using Ghost just a few weeks ago when B     we Systemworks (for a virus repair). This means I can boot theH     Systemworks Repair Disk and recover the ghost image. BUT that image A     is a couple of weeks old. I'm trying to suck just the Windows G     directory out of the Ghost backup and paste it onto the rest of thedF     disk, but this is really, really, really slow. Which brings me to:  G   - The Systemworks 'Rescue Disk' has a "security feature" which causesnE     it to reboot after 24 hours of continuous use. Which it did aboutaB     halfway through restoring the Windows directory from the GhostG     backup. So I had to figure out how far it had gotten and tell it tonE     restore the rest. I'm (> 12 hours later) about done with the resta     of the restore.   F     Clearly, the 24 hours of continuous use "security feature" is way,G     way too short. I can only IMAGINE how long it would take Ghost fromn1     the 'Rescue Disk' to restore the ENTIRE disk!   @   - Oh yeah. The backup I'm currently trying to suck the WindowsD     directory out of was taken in the middle of a particularly nastyC     virus cleanup, so I suspect that I'm restoring viruses onto the<G     system. However, a system that boots with viruses will be a step ups     from one which CANNOT BOOT.e  D Anyway, like I said, Ghost is supposed to be able to do that sort of4 thing. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to vent.   Lessons for this week:  @   - DO NOT accidentally drop 10,000 files on the root directory.  H   - DO NOT attempt to use the Windows XP 'Restore' feature BEFORE taking      a backup of the dead system.  D   - DO NOT think you can use the Windows XP 'Restore' feature if you%     have installed ANY service packs.I  <   - DO keep a spare hard drive hanging around with a good XP'     installation on it. You'll need it.A  E   - It would be REALLY REALLY nice if the same folks who thought thatPJ     they should ship a 'Rescue Disk' with Systemworks had the foresight toI     think that you might want to make a backup while running off the diske"     instead of just restoring one. -- _
 Roger Ivie rivie@ridgenet.net http://anachronda.webhop.org/  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----e
 Version: 3.12gH GCS/P d- s:+++ a+ C++ UB--(++++) !P L- !E W++ N++ o-- K w O- M+ V+++ PS+? PE++ Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X-- R tv++ b++ DI+++ D+ G e++ h--- r+++ z+++ m ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:47:00 -0600t/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> : Subject: Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?2 Message-ID: <41B4D354.2030609@applied-synergy.com>   Barry wrote:  I > Would someone be so kind as the answer the original question, i.e., howeH > can I do the equivalent of a standalone backup under Windows?  I'm notD > interested in decompression, but in doing a full backup of my hardI > drive while Windows is doing as little as possible.  I have W98SE.  Who H > knows the best way to do a complete (/IMAGE) backup of my C drive even* > while I'm up and running off C?  Thanks! >   : Windows does not have the equivalent of standalone backup.  G There are some third party tools which come close.  With a combination  . of tools, you may be able to do what you want.  E NOTE: In general, the third party tools require that Windows be shut  G down so that they can do a full backup.  Then again, standalone backup n3 requires that VMS be shutdown for the same reasons.l  B Windows 98SE comes with MSBACKUP. This can do a full backup while I Windows is running, but you have to reinstall a Windows 98 system before    you can use MSBACKUp to restore.  I Ghost and Partion Magic are two of the third party products that come to lE mind.  I use (and can recommend) both.  They both have their places, s! depending on what you want to do.o  
 Good luck!  H PS: Make sure that you create and save a Windows 98 startup disk.  This H will allow you to partition, format, and put book blocks on a new disk. H    The boot blocks are not part of the C: partition, so they may not be  backed up with it.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------a$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:35:02 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> : Subject: Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?, Message-ID: <8-SdnbwdR5UbTSncRVn-2Q@igs.net>   Roger Ivie wrote:-0 > On 2004-12-06, Barry <dysert@gmail.com> wrote:F >> Would someone be so kind as the answer the original question, i.e.,D >> how can I do the equivalent of a standalone backup under Windows?E >> I'm not interested in decompression, but in doing a full backup of F >> my hard drive while Windows is doing as little as possible.  I haveE >> W98SE.  Who knows the best way to do a complete (/IMAGE) backup ofp; >> my C drive even while I'm up and running off C?  Thanks!: >gE > Symantec's Ghost is supposed to be able to do that sort of thing. I>A > don't have a lot of experience with it, though, and what little C > experience I have is very recent. And I am sorely, sorely missingo > standalone backup. > B > While mousing around the other day, my wife accidentally dropped? > 10,000 files on the root directory. This caused the system to'D > fragment the root directory, something up with which the bootstrap? > cannot put. Of course, the error message is simply 'NTLDIR iseC > missing', even though the file is sitting right there in front ofrD > your face. And the standard Winders defragmenting tools can't deal( > with this, so I'm having to defragmentD > the old fashioned way: make a complete backup and restore from the	 > backup.  >>H > Of course, since I can't run from the disk I'm trying to fix, I had toE > slap in an extra disk to load an OS on so that I can do the backup.nE > Although Systemworks comes with a 'Rescue Disk', a bootable WindersaH > disk with recovery tools, those tools DO NOT include tools to create aH > backup; only to restore one. So I had to slap in an extra hard disk to > boot from to make a backup.n > # > Further complicating matters are:r >tB >   - I attempted to use the Windows XP installation CD's 'Repair'E >     feature before I slapped a disk in the system to make a backup.Z( >     That did not work for two reasons: > 2 >     A) it doesn't defragment the root directory. >nE >     B) Some portions of the system have apparently been upgraded byrE >        Windows Update, so they require bits that aren't repaired by F >        the installation CD (which is the original XP). Consequently,H >        the 'Repaired' system CANNOT BOOT to complete the repair. Argh! >lF >     This means that the backup I took after attempting a 'Repair' is >     useless. > D >   - Fortunately, I had taken a backup using Ghost just a few weeksD >     ago when we Systemworks (for a virus repair). This means I canG >     boot the Systemworks Repair Disk and recover the ghost image. BUTlF >     that image is a couple of weeks old. I'm trying to suck just theE >     Windows directory out of the Ghost backup and paste it onto thenF >     rest of the disk, but this is really, really, really slow. Which > brings me to:  > B >   - The Systemworks 'Rescue Disk' has a "security feature" whichD >     causes it to reboot after 24 hours of continuous use. Which itD >     did about halfway through restoring the Windows directory fromD >     the Ghost backup. So I had to figure out how far it had gottenC >     and tell it to restore the rest. I'm (> 12 hours later) about ( >     done with the rest of the restore. > H >     Clearly, the 24 hours of continuous use "security feature" is way,D >     way too short. I can only IMAGINE how long it would take Ghost8 >     from the 'Rescue Disk' to restore the ENTIRE disk! >nB >   - Oh yeah. The backup I'm currently trying to suck the WindowsF >     directory out of was taken in the middle of a particularly nastyE >     virus cleanup, so I suspect that I'm restoring viruses onto theaF >     system. However, a system that boots with viruses will be a step$ >     up from one which CANNOT BOOT. >tF > Anyway, like I said, Ghost is supposed to be able to do that sort of6 > thing. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to vent. >t > Lessons for this week: >tB >   - DO NOT accidentally drop 10,000 files on the root directory. >tC >   - DO NOT attempt to use the Windows XP 'Restore' feature BEFORE,) >     taking a backup of the dead system.R >oF >   - DO NOT think you can use the Windows XP 'Restore' feature if you' >     have installed ANY service packs.@ >c> >   - DO keep a spare hard drive hanging around with a good XP) >     installation on it. You'll need it.t >pG >   - It would be REALLY REALLY nice if the same folks who thought thatl? >     they should ship a 'Rescue Disk' with Systemworks had the>C >     foresight to think that you might want to make a backup whileo9 >     running off the disk instead of just restoring one.d  H You need to do periodic 'system checkpoints', which are snapshots of the2 system at points in time. Look under System Tools.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:02:47 +0000o- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> : Subject: Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?8 Message-ID: <rgo9r01mu91u8bp217bkrshomb4306pqsn@4ax.com>  1 On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:47:00 -0600, Chris Scheersg" <chris@applied-synergy.com> wrote:  
 >Barry wrote:w >eJ >> Would someone be so kind as the answer the original question, i.e., howI >> can I do the equivalent of a standalone backup under Windows?  I'm notoE >> interested in decompression, but in doing a full backup of my hardfJ >> drive while Windows is doing as little as possible.  I have W98SE.  WhoI >> knows the best way to do a complete (/IMAGE) backup of my C drive eveni+ >> while I'm up and running off C?  Thanks!e >>; >Windows does not have the equivalent of standalone backup.t  J It certainly doesn't ;-)  Until such time as it ever addresses this issue,L instead of the laughable notion that reinstalling Windows is the way to cureH all ills, I suspect many people will refuse to drop the "toy o/s" jibes.  J However, all is not lost, especially for Win98 users.  I have successfullyI cloned partitions (some bootable) onto new and larger disks using nothingeJ more complex than FDISK, FORMAT and XCOPY32.  As disks are so cheap, it isJ not worth forking out for any commercial solutions (many of which cost theB equivalent of 160Gb of storage).  This will work for FAT and FAT32H partitions.  Creating a boot-disk is not too onerous, but ready-made andD improved ones can easily be found at http://www.bootdisk.com  In allC honesty, a cloned disk is a much better way of having a backup thaneG attempting to recover individual files, folders and registries by hand. 9 Don't try to backup a running system in this way, though.h  L Once you move to XP, things get more difficult.  Add NTFS and you are up theI proverbial creek.  Copying a bootable XP system on a FAT32 partition only J worked for me if I actually did a fresh install onto it and then overwroteL the files (but not the folders) with XCOPY32 - there is something in XP thatL involves knowledge of folder locations, I suspect.  Maybe someone knows of aH genuine block-for-block partition copying utility ?  That ought to work.   --  5 My mind's made up.  Don't confuse me with the facts. h   Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 00:46:06 +0100s From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>: Subject: Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?2 Message-ID: <cp2r02$uj5$1@news3.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>   Barry wrote:I > Would someone be so kind as the answer the original question, i.e., howiH > can I do the equivalent of a standalone backup under Windows?  I'm notD > interested in decompression, but in doing a full backup of my hardI > drive while Windows is doing as little as possible.  I have W98SE.  WhotH > knows the best way to do a complete (/IMAGE) backup of my C drive even* > while I'm up and running off C?  Thanks! >     @ The original question was more about defragmentation I'm afraid.  O In answer to your question, such a utility does not exist for (any) Windows as R far as I know.  P However there is a very simple free (sort of) utility that can make an bootable N copy of disk. Get yourself a second hard disk and buy a Maxtor disk! Then you Q can download a bootable CD image from the Maxtor site, and after you burned that  Q CD you can use it to make a bootable copy of your original disk. However keep in nO mind that the original and/or the second disk must be a Maxtor disk, otherwise   you can't use the utility.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2004 16:20:52 -0800( From: deanw@rdrop.comn: Subject: Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?C Message-ID: <1102378852.555855.234170@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>m   Dirk Munk wrote:A > Get yourself a second hard disk and buy a Maxtor disk! Then youtB > can download a bootable CD image from the Maxtor site, and afterC > you burned that CD you can use it to make a bootable copy of yourhB > original disk. However keep in mind that the original and/or the$ > second disk must be a Maxtor disk,  D Or buy Seagate, and use their utility. Or buy a Western Digital, and use their utility.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2004 16:21:14 -0800i From: deanw@rdrop.come: Subject: Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?C Message-ID: <1102378874.519209.153790@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>c   Dirk Munk wrote:A > Get yourself a second hard disk and buy a Maxtor disk! Then youhB > can download a bootable CD image from the Maxtor site, and afterC > you burned that CD you can use it to make a bootable copy of youriB > original disk. However keep in mind that the original and/or the$ > second disk must be a Maxtor disk,  D Or buy Seagate, and use their utility. Or buy a Western Digital, and use their utility.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 02:13:44 GMT % From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net>g: Subject: Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?3 Message-ID: <slrncra4gl.1ei.rivie@Stench.no.domain>2  1 On 2004-12-06, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:m > Roger Ivie wrote:HC >> While mousing around the other day, my wife accidentally droppedM@ >> 10,000 files on the root directory. This caused the system toE >> fragment the root directory, something up with which the bootstraph@ >> cannot put. Of course, the error message is simply 'NTLDIR isD >> missing', even though the file is sitting right there in front of
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