1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 07 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 679       Contents:@ Re: Announcing the Availability Manager V2.4 and DECamds V7.3-2A@ Re: Announcing the Availability Manager V2.4 and DECamds V7.3-2A@ Re: Announcing the Availability Manager V2.4 and DECamds V7.3-2A Re: another Macro64 question Re: Carly's challenge % CSWS 1.3, CSWS_PHP 1.2 newbie help... ) Re: CSWS 1.3, CSWS_PHP 1.2 newbie help... ) Re: DEC Is Dead, Long Live DEC, the book. ) Re: DEC Is Dead, Long Live DEC, the book. ) Re: DEC Is Dead, Long Live DEC, the book. ) Re: DEC Is Dead, Long Live DEC, the book. ) Re: DEC Is Dead, Long Live DEC, the book. 4 Re: dtrace's (Solaris 10) equivalent tool on OpenVMS1 Re: FTP program connect to VMS client under linux 1 Re: FTP program connect to VMS client under linux  How to get a free iPod? 2 Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!2 Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!2 Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!2 Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!2 Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!2 Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!2 Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!? Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS  Re: ldiq/ldil in Macro64 Re: ldiq/ldil in Macro64D Re: looking for list of CD contents of layered-products distributionD Re: looking for list of CD contents of layered-products distribution@ OpenVMS HP - Intel Developer Forum - Report from the Front Lines  Re: OpenVMS V7.3-2 License issue: Re: OT Battersea Power Station. Was Re: Marvel Performance: Re: OT Battersea Power Station. Was Re: Marvel Performance3 Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 2007 ( OT: Pfeiffer mentioned in Forbes article7 Pathworks 6.0C Windows 2003k AD Domain, making it work. ; Re: Reinstalling DECwindows after losing it during upgrade? ; Re: Reinstalling DECwindows after losing it during upgrade? ; Re: Reinstalling DECwindows after losing it during upgrade? 1 Re: reporter inquiry: Is HP selling AlphaServers?  Re: Scripted Mail Agent?1 Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? 1 Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? 1 Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? 1 Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? 1 Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? 1 RE: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? 1 Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? P RE: [SPAM] - Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? -	Bayesian FilterP Re: [SPAM] - Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? -	Bayesian FilterP Re: [SPAM] - Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? - Bayesian Filter  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 11:51:43 GMT 0 From: "Barry Kierstein" <Barry.Kierstein@HP.Com>I Subject: Re: Announcing the Availability Manager V2.4 and DECamds V7.3-2A 2 Message-ID: <jPgtd.3998$zR1.3122@news.cpqcorp.net>   Peter,  A     Part of the kitting rework for both new kits is to addres the J AMDS$CONSOLE.EXE issue.  This should not be a problem after installing the	 new kits.    Barry    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:45:40 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)I Subject: Re: Announcing the Availability Manager V2.4 and DECamds V7.3-2A 1 Message-ID: <newscache$xbwc8i$2tu1$1@news.sil.at>   e In article <jPgtd.3998$zR1.3122@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Barry Kierstein" <Barry.Kierstein@HP.Com> writes:  >Peter,  > B >    Part of the kitting rework for both new kits is to addres theK >AMDS$CONSOLE.EXE issue.  This should not be a problem after installing the 
 >new kits.  J Yes, this you told me/us months ago in the last thread here. Thanks again.; But I didn't expect to lose now the AMDS$CONSOLE.EXE on the 8 PRODUCT REMOVE again. Maybe a false expectation of mine.   Afterwards it is fixed. Good. 1 But during the upgrade, one has to be careful ;-)    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:25:03 GMT 0 From: "Barry Kierstein" <Barry.Kierstein@HP.Com>I Subject: Re: Announcing the Availability Manager V2.4 and DECamds V7.3-2A 1 Message-ID: <jXjtd.4004$B02.241@news.cpqcorp.net>    Peter,  G     In doing a product upgrade, the previous product is removed, and is C removed with the code from the previous product's kit instructions. 9 Couldn't change that part, just the remove going forward.    Barry    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:29:46 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>% Subject: Re: another Macro64 question 1 Message-ID: <K%jtd.4005$K12.266@news.cpqcorp.net>    Chip Coldwell wrote:H > This is probably a painfully stupid question, but here it goes anyway: > M > Suppose I have an externally defined symbol "foo".  I can declare it in an   > assembly module as >  > 	$LINKAGE_SECTION  > 	.EXTERNAL FOO > M > Great.  Now how do I get the contents of this symbol into a register where   > I can work with it?  >  > Chip >   F .EXTERNAL FOO just told Macro-64 that the name "FOO" is external.  It I didn't declare any sort of storage.  Since you want the address in order  , to fetch from it, you'll want something like         .EXTERNAL FOO        $LINKAGE_SECTION  # FOO_ADDR = . - MACRO64$CURR_SECTION        .ADDRESS FOO   and then         $CODE_SECTION   3       LDQ R0, FOO_ADDR(R27)  ; Fetch address of FOO $       LDQ R0, (R0)       ; Fetch FOO  G The Macro-64 kit drops three .M64 examples into SYS$EXAMPLES: for more   reading enjoyment.   --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 08:53:16 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>  Subject: Re: Carly's challenge+ Message-ID: <cp4n5t$hj7$1@naig.caltech.edu>    John Smith wrote:   F >>Also: Carly is a big time rebublican and may leave HP before the endG >>of the Bush regime's term to accept some high ranking position in his 
 >>cabinet.  D She probably would see that as an ideal exit strategy.  That way sheB would be out of HP before the final flaming crater producing end. A Sadly, no existing cabinet position would do her talents justice. H A new one should be created just for her:  Secretary of Job Exportation.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:41:47 -0600" From: "Schroeder, AJ" <aj1@qg.com>. Subject: CSWS 1.3, CSWS_PHP 1.2 newbie help...( Message-ID: <41b5c12b$1@news.qgraph.com>  
 Greetings,  K I am new to VMS, so I apologize in advance if I am doing something foolish. L What I am attempting to do is get CSWS 1.3 and CSWS_PHP 1.2 onto a VMS 7.3-1J hobbyist system. This is VMS/Alpha if that makes a difference. I have beenJ to the documentation sites several times at HP and have read them over andF over so I hope I am missing something silly that can be solved quickly* before I pull what is left of my hair out.  L Anyway, I have both products installed, but apache would not start due to anL exclamation point in the MOD_PHP.CONF file. I removed that and apache startsJ with no problems, and I can navigate to the start page with no issues. TheL only change I made to APACHE$ROOT:[CONF]HTTPD.CONF was telling apache to run? on port 8080; other than that change my install is by the book.   J Now on to the PHP, I read in the docs for CSWS_PHP that I need to test phpI out by navigating to http://machine/php/php_rules.php to test out the PHP E engine. However, *every* time I go to that URL my browser pops up the F download box rather than the server executing it. I have tried this inG Mozilla, Konquerer, and even IE and the server does not execute the PHP  script.   L Since I have followed the documentation I have no other ideas, if anyone outD there has any ideas on how to get around this I would appreciate it.   Thank you in advance,    AJ Schroeder   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 08:26:03 -0800 ) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com> 2 Subject: Re: CSWS 1.3, CSWS_PHP 1.2 newbie help...B Message-ID: <1102436763.249409.67250@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   Schroeder, AJ wrote: > Greetings, > D > I am new to VMS, so I apologize in advance if I am doing something foolish.D > What I am attempting to do is get CSWS 1.3 and CSWS_PHP 1.2 onto a	 VMS 7.3-1 G > hobbyist system. This is VMS/Alpha if that makes a difference. I have  beenC > to the documentation sites several times at HP and have read them  over and@ > over so I hope I am missing something silly that can be solved quickly , > before I pull what is left of my hair out. > D > Anyway, I have both products installed, but apache would not start	 due to an G > exclamation point in the MOD_PHP.CONF file. I removed that and apache  starts@ > with no problems, and I can navigate to the start page with no issues. The G > only change I made to APACHE$ROOT:[CONF]HTTPD.CONF was telling apache  to runA > on port 8080; other than that change my install is by the book.  > C > Now on to the PHP, I read in the docs for CSWS_PHP that I need to  test phpG > out by navigating to http://machine/php/php_rules.php to test out the  PHP G > engine. However, *every* time I go to that URL my browser pops up the E > download box rather than the server executing it. I have tried this  inE > Mozilla, Konquerer, and even IE and the server does not execute the  PHP 	 > script.    Make sure you have the line:  & Include /apache$root/conf/mod_php.conf  + in your apache$common:[conf]httpd.conf file   F If that line is not there, then apache will not know what to do with a	 PHP file.   A Where was the exclamation point (!) that you removed? This is the 0 mod_php.conf file from one of the machine I use:   ##  Load PHP module  ## <IfModule prefork.c>5 LoadModule php4_module modules/mod_php_apache-2_0.exe  </IfModule>  <IfModule !prefork.c> 5 LoadModule php4_module modules/mod_php_apache-1_3.exe  </IfModule>   + AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml , AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps  ' Alias /php/ "/apache$root/php/scripts/"   " #PHP_FLAG       engine          ON8 #PHP_VALUE      error_log       /php_root/logs/error_log   Ken Robinson   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 03:17:25 -0800  From: n.rieck@sympatico.ca2 Subject: Re: DEC Is Dead, Long Live DEC, the book.C Message-ID: <1102418245.747653.124350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Didier Morandi wrote:  > (from www.decalumni.com) >  > DEC Is Dead, Long Live DEC5 > The Lasting Legacy of Digital Equipment Corporation  > 7 > A new book by Edgar H. Schein. Read the Press Release ; > (http://www.decalumni.com/pdf/DEC_book_Press_Release.pdf)  >  > D.  = I am just (Dec-2004) in the middle of reading of reading this E fascinating look at the world of DEC (warts and all) from before 1956 E through the Compaq and HP years. I know that everyone takes a stab at 7 arm-chair quarterbacking so here is my two cents worth:   & "I think DEC would still be around if:  * 1. Ken Olsen wouldn't have been forced out  A 2. The board of directors would have mandated a graceful 1-2 year E transition to a new leader with Ken Olsen playing the role of mentor.   G After all, he ran the company from 1956 to 1992 and there were only two E years when the company wasn't profitable. How many companies can make  this claim?   C On a slightly different point, Compaq on a buying spree in the late ? 1990s might be considered the "canary in the coal mine" for the @ "dot.com" melt down of the early 2000s. Compaq bought stuff theyD shouldn't have and this behavior reminds me of something that Nortel
 was doing.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 07:08:58 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: DEC Is Dead, Long Live DEC, the book., Message-ID: <41B59D34.5AADBCA6@teksavvy.com>   n.rieck@sympatico.ca wrote: ( > "I think DEC would still be around if:C > 2. The board of directors would have mandated a graceful 1-2 year G > transition to a new leader with Ken Olsen playing the role of mentor.   L In hindsight: Olsen should have begun to groom his successor back in 1985 to- 1986 timeframe, and passed the torch by 1990.   F By the time Palmer took over, DEC had begun to sink, and Palmer wasn't# competent enough to turn the tide.    I Had Olsen begun to groom a replacement earlier, by the time the board got K tired of Olsen, there would have been a clear replacement who was competant L and Olsen wouldn't have resisted leaving until forced to since he would have@ known his replacement would have taken good care of the company.  I > After all, he ran the company from 1956 to 1992 and there were only two , > years when the company wasn't profitable.   L I'd say from 1987 onwards, Olsen didn't run the company. It was on autopilotM with small kingdoms (departments) going their own ways and no clear strategic B pricing/marketing to attack the new compatition (Sun, Apollo etc).  B > "dot.com" melt down of the early 2000s. Compaq bought stuff theyF > shouldn't have and this behavior reminds me of something that Nortel > was doing.  J Nortel went  on a binge and suffered severe indigestion. But some of theirG purchases were strategic. Nortel was, by today's standards, a telephony G dinosaur. By investing in Bay-Networks for instance, Nortel entered the G router/switches market which will be the new telephone switches with IP K telephony. Had Nortel remained with its old legacy equipment, it would have   been made irrelevant. Very fast.  N Similarly, Compaq's purchase of Digital wasn't so stupid. If they foresaw thatH wintel junk would have every decreasing profit margins, while consultingO companies made lots of money, then getting into trhe services sector was smart.   I IBM went with a winner (PriceWaterhouse) to complement its already strong J services sector. Compaq chose a sick/dying loser and inherited products itU didn't want. For Palmer, it was an easy way out without admitting he was incompetant.   M had DEC hired Lou Gerstner, Compaq might have bought a decimated IBM, and DEC # might be the biggest company today.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 07:58:04 -0500) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> 2 Subject: Re: DEC Is Dead, Long Live DEC, the book.: Message-ID: <CNhtd.24794$dC3.534921@news20.bellglobal.com>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:41B59D34.5AADBCA6@teksavvy.com... > n.rieck@sympatico.ca wrote:  [snip] > L > In hindsight: Olsen should have begun to groom his successor back in 1985  > to/ > 1986 timeframe, and passed the torch by 1990.  >  [snip]  D I agree. But someone (in this case "The Board") didn't think it was I necessary to replace a technical guy with a technical guy. Palmer didn't  K have Olsen's passion for the computer business and I suspect this could be  4 the downfall of most companies doing the same thing.   >  [snip] > L > Nortel went  on a binge and suffered severe indigestion. But some of theirI > purchases were strategic. Nortel was, by today's standards, a telephony I > dinosaur. By investing in Bay-Networks for instance, Nortel entered the I > router/switches market which will be the new telephone switches with IP I > telephony. Had Nortel remained with its old legacy equipment, it would   > have" > been made irrelevant. Very fast.  H The Nortel purchase of Bay Networks (who previously Synoptics) was very G smart but once this process started they couldn't stop. There are many  = explanations for the Nortel fiasco but the two main ones are:   H 1. buying up worthless companies and paying for them with your valuable ' stock (which only servers to dilute it) I 2. noticing huge profits in the fibre optic portion of their business (I  K think it doubled every year from 1997 to 2001) which made them think "what  L do we need all this other stuff for?". As anyone familiar with science will M tell you, the only thing that can double every so often without an restraint  J is cancer. Nortel should have kept a larger interest in their Access Node 6 business as well as their PBX and DMS switch business.   > L > Similarly, Compaq's purchase of Digital wasn't so stupid. If they foresaw  > thatJ > wintel junk would have every decreasing profit margins, while consultingK > companies made lots of money, then getting into trhe services sector was   > smart. >   M Once Compaq purchased Tandem (1997) and DEC (1998), they didn't know what to  F do with them because they only had expertise in running a PC business.  K > IBM went with a winner (PriceWaterhouse) to complement its already strong L > services sector. Compaq chose a sick/dying loser and inherited products itK > didn't want. For Palmer, it was an easy way out without admitting he was   > incompetant. > L > had DEC hired Lou Gerstner, Compaq might have bought a decimated IBM, and  > DEC % > might be the biggest company today.   ' On this point we are in full agreement.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada." http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:06:08 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 2 Subject: Re: DEC Is Dead, Long Live DEC, the book., Message-ID: <VZadnUxUstdCWyjcRVn-iQ@igs.net>   Neil Rieck wrote: < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message( > news:41B59D34.5AADBCA6@teksavvy.com... >> n.rieck@sympatico.ca wrote: > [snip] >>G >> In hindsight: Olsen should have begun to groom his successor back in 
 >> 1985 to0 >> 1986 timeframe, and passed the torch by 1990. >> > [snip] > E > I agree. But someone (in this case "The Board") didn't think it was C > necessary to replace a technical guy with a technical guy. Palmer E > didn't have Olsen's passion for the computer business and I suspect D > this could be the downfall of most companies doing the same thing.    K DEC's BoD were a bunch of old farts (age-wise) by then and also were not so L nimble in understanding the changing nature of the marketplace. Compaq's BoD was just ignorant.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:14:04 -0500 3 From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@REMOVEintelME.com> 2 Subject: Re: DEC Is Dead, Long Live DEC, the book.8 Message-ID: <eehbr0tugrtcpaj3nbukbla8mrbhca3nnd@4ax.com>  9 On 7 Dec 2004 03:17:25 -0800, n.rieck@sympatico.ca wrote:   > >I am just (Dec-2004) in the middle of reading of reading thisF >fascinating look at the world of DEC (warts and all) from before 1956! >through the Compaq and HP years.   H I read it earlier this year and also found it fascinating, having been aM DECcie from 1978 onwards. It's been a while since I read it, but my memory is M that it doesn't really cover the post-KO years in any useful level of detail.   N Many of us have played the "if only..." game, but I've given up on that.  MoreJ insightful is the latter section of the book detailing how the diaspora ofK DECcies has instilled parts of the DEC culture in many major players in the M computer industry.  Heck, here at Intel, I keep running across former DECcies K in addition to the ones I work with directly.  Don Harbert, for example, is I once again in my management chain!  Lots of chip design and manufacturing H people from DEC have found their way to Intel, AMD and other influentialK players. Closer to home, the Intel Fortran compiler (and to a lesser extent 2 the C++ compiler) have a sizeable "DEC" component.  J So, indeed, DEC is dead as a company, but in another sense it is very much still alive, and this is good.   Steve    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 01:56:49 -0800  From: vzbywqtr@search26.com = Subject: Re: dtrace's (Solaris 10) equivalent tool on OpenVMS C Message-ID: <1102413409.680101.114860@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    http://www.ardice.com/Regional/North_America/United_States/Washington/Metro_Areas/Tri-Cities_Metro/Business_and_Economy/Advertising_&_Marketing/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 06:49:23 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing): Subject: Re: FTP program connect to VMS client under linux6 Message-ID: <00A3BF6E.4B5122BE@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  y In article <pan.2004.12.07.06.52.13.801765@remove.cc.usu.edu>, Luc The Perverse <sll_NOSPAM_zm@remove.cc.usu.edu> writes: K >I have a little program I wrote in C++ - laughably simple, for managing my ; >indices on the left navbar.  This is on a suse 9.1 box.     > G >Problem - The location that is hosting my webpage runs on VMS and uses J >some unusual protocals.  It calls itself FTP, but anything you can't pull/ >up in mozilla, doesn't classify in my book.      L This subject comes up here on comp.os.vms every so often.  It turns out thatO the FTP protocol doesn't define remote directory listing formats very well, and I so FTP clients try to parse whatever they get back, and most of them only N really know how to do Unix and Windows directory listings.  I know that's trueL for IE; didn't know it was true for Mozilla.  Not clear why you're trying to% use Mozilla as an FTP client, though.   M There are several different TCP/IP packages which may run on VMS systems, and N there are different ways of getting them to give directory listings in formatsM your clients can understand.  You probably don't have much influence over the N administration of the system that hosts your site, but if you do you could askN them to install the HGFTP FTP-server add-on (high-quality freeware) which willF give directory listings in a format brain-dead clients can understand.     > G >I kept getting an error message that the directory didn't exist, and I K >messed with it for a long time, thinking I could get it working, but no, I  >couldn't.    J I'm not sure I'm following you.  Are you saying that on your Linux box youJ wrote a CGI script in C++ which is supposed to run as part of your websiteO (hosted on a VMS server), and you can't upload to the website, because it keeps N giving you an error saying it can't find the directory you're trying to put it into.   G So what directory is that?  I'm guessing you were trying something like H [username.www.cgi-bin]  or /cgi-bin or something like that.  It probablyL _doesn't_ exist.  (Based on the the [.www] subdirectory for ~username sites,M I'm guessing USU is running the OSU webserver.  While it's possible to set up H per-user CGI sites, it doesn't happen by default (to say the least); youN probably don't have a CGIBIN or HTBIN or /cgi or whatever of your own, and youM probably don't have access rights to the systemwide one.)  If you want to run K your own CGIs on the server, you probably need to make special arrangements  with the webmaster.   N (Also, you know you're going to have learn enough about the VMS environment toN recompile your C++ program on the VMS server; the executable you made on LinuxO isn't going to work even if things get set up so you're allowed to run a CGI at  all.)    > F >I telnetted in, but didn't have the patience to figure out the kermitL >stuff (I was still adequately annoyed from the mozilla window not working.) > F >So ideally I would like my program to upload (or call another program- >which uploads) my website to the ftp server.  > J >An acceptable alternative is being able to upload from linux, any programC >which will recurse directories for me (command line preferred, gui  >acceptable)    N Won't the command-line ftp command do this for you, once you get the directory structure issues sorted out?   -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 08:30:42 -0800  From: Z <z@no.spam> : Subject: Re: FTP program connect to VMS client under linux( Message-ID: <NUktd.532$s%5.488@fe07.lga>  , Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:O > There are several different TCP/IP packages which may run on VMS systems, and P > there are different ways of getting them to give directory listings in formatsO > your clients can understand.  You probably don't have much influence over the P > administration of the system that hosts your site, but if you do you could askP > them to install the HGFTP FTP-server add-on (high-quality freeware) which willH > give directory listings in a format brain-dead clients can understand.  . FYI: Reflection's FTP package works just fine.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 10:02:48 -0800  From: jameltoms@hotmail.com   Subject: How to get a free iPod?B Message-ID: <1102442568.837130.52580@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  E Hey, honestly you guys can get a free apple iPod with minimal effort. F Nothing is free we all know that and what this is going to cost you isG a little bit of your time, but absolutely no dollars out of your pocket D for in return a $300 dollar value.  The way this work is you sign inG with your email and make a password, and then you type in your shipping A address so you'll get it after you are able to receive your iPod. G After that you have one requirement, to sign up with a service, usually G over 5 dif choices, something it really doesn't matter because they are D all free for 2 wks - 1 month, and then they start charging.  So justG sign up for one service, mark your calendar a week later to cancel, and C you are one step away from receiving your iPod.  Next all you do is D talk to 5 of your friends and tell them exactly what I'm telling youD they should be interested, if not just ask them if they can do you aC small favor and won't cost them any money, just maybe five minutes. E Tell them to go to your site that you receive when you sign up and to F try the service and tell them that you will mark your calendar and youF will call them and remind them a week later to cancel in time, so theyF don't have to worry about that.  I recommend talking to them in personG next to a computer and walk them through it that, definitely guarantees D that you get your iPod.  Do this to five people and you will have anE iPod in the mail.  For those of you that try to beat the system don't C try.  First thing you can't have the same address anywhere, no room D mate, no sister no brother nothing like that, so watch out for that.  G This guy has already got his iPod cost him probably bout an hour of his F time, you work $8/hr if you can get a $300/(2-3) hr iPod and put it onC eBay and make 250 that certainly beats that and is basically making F $83.33/hr. Scroll down at this site you will see him talking about it.  ! http://home.comcast.net/~jaybeez/   E So if you think you're up for this free money, try it, here's my link E and it will get you started, and I really appreciate you reading this  and checking out my link  # http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=8657657   A If you do exactly what this says. You will have a %99.9 chance of  receiving a free iPod.     Thank you,   Jamel    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 07:06:02 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product! 3 Message-ID: <nXUVzT5JM0g2@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <00A3BF23.9BCB9842@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) writes:   M > I note that the recent BusinessWeek article "Carly's Choice" suggested that M > Veritas was a desireable target for acquisition by HP.  If that were indeed Q > on HP's mind, they might want to endorse Veritas by using their software rather P > than having to explain why they were trying to sell Veritas solutions to other% > people and not using it themselves.   E Acquisition would likely hurt Veritas profits but enhance HP profits. G Competitors might be unwilling to depend on a product line owned by HP, D causing them to founder looking for another approach.  Thus HP wouldE have an effective monopoly on clustering in Unix space (for those who " do not want to count MVS as Unix).  6 Of course the FTC should not allow such a transaction.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 05:21:51 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ; Subject: Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product! ( Message-ID: <opsim3epe1zgicya@hyrrokkin>  G On 7 Dec 2004 07:06:02 -0600, Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net>    wrote:  : > In article <00A3BF23.9BCB9842@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,  J > winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)  	 > writes:  > K >> I note that the recent BusinessWeek article "Carly's Choice" suggested    >> that I >> Veritas was a desireable target for acquisition by HP.  If that were   	 >> indeed D >> on HP's mind, they might want to endorse Veritas by using their   >> software ratherJ >> than having to explain why they were trying to sell Veritas solutions   >> to other & >> people and not using it themselves. > G > Acquisition would likely hurt Veritas profits but enhance HP profits. I > Competitors might be unwilling to depend on a product line owned by HP, F > causing them to founder looking for another approach.  Thus HP wouldG > have an effective monopoly on clustering in Unix space (for those who $ > do not want to count MVS as Unix). > 8 > Of course the FTC should not allow such a transaction.  J I think that was just smoke.  Carly is also quoted as saying she nixed a   dealK to buy Price Waterhouse for half of what IBM paid.  The truth is that she    was K willing to pay twice as much but was dissuaded from doing so.  It was a bit ( of a joke in Silicon Valley at the time.  J I have it on goud sources that a similar deal with IBM is pending, so as   Larry L says HP buying isn't going to happen.  Actually I have been buying Veritas   stock:-)   --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 09:52:49 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ; Subject: Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product! 3 Message-ID: <RLCDkclOpuCG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <41B3899A.EBA23AF3@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > O > Using DEC's file/cluster system would make HP-UX proprietary and use one of a P > kind stuff that is unkown to the marketplace. Using Veritas means that you useN > a more or less industr standard product, you don't have to spend in R&D, and5 > you get to ride on whatever publicity Veritas does.   D    Which leaves your customers wondering why they should buy a HP-UXB    with Veritias when they could buy Solaris with Veritias, or AIX4    with Veritias, or Red Hat Linux with Veritas, ...  F    It's those proprietary things that get customers to choose one UNIX=    or Linux over another.  Red Hat has made this quite clear.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:38:26 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ; Subject: Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product! , Message-ID: <OJOdncPhIPkfQSjcRVn-gA@igs.net>   Bob Koehler wrote:7 > In article <41B3899A.EBA23AF3@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >>G >> Using DEC's file/cluster system would make HP-UX proprietary and use G >> one of a kind stuff that is unkown to the marketplace. Using Veritas B >> means that you use a more or less industr standard product, you> >> don't have to spend in R&D, and you get to ride on whatever >> publicity Veritas does. > F >    Which leaves your customers wondering why they should buy a HP-UXD >    with Veritias when they could buy Solaris with Veritias, or AIX6 >    with Veritias, or Red Hat Linux with Veritas, ... > H >    It's those proprietary things that get customers to choose one UNIX? >    or Linux over another.  Red Hat has made this quite clear.     F Do you think we'll see carly(tm) smacking herself up-side the head and' saying, "It's the file system Stupid.".    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:11:26 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> ; Subject: Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product! < Message-ID: <2vltd.42276$Qv5.106@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>  I "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message  - news:RLCDkclOpuCG@eisner.encompasserve.org... 8 > In article <41B3899A.EBA23AF3@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >>L >> Using DEC's file/cluster system would make HP-UX proprietary and use one  >> of a J >> kind stuff that is unkown to the marketplace. Using Veritas means that 
 >> you useL >> a more or less industr standard product, you don't have to spend in R&D,  >> and6 >> you get to ride on whatever publicity Veritas does. >dE >   Which leaves your customers wondering why they should buy a HP-UXmC >   with Veritias when they could buy Solaris with Veritias, or AIXS5 >   with Veritias, or Red Hat Linux with Veritas, ...P >1G >   It's those proprietary things that get customers to choose one UNIXs> >   or Linux over another.  Red Hat has made this quite clear. >h  M I think it makes sense to stop pouring development dollars into making HP-UX DM more proprietary.  HP-UX should be HP's supported Linux and they should push rF OpenVMS and NSK as their proprietary advantages over Solaris, AIX etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 01:23:54 +0800f From: prep@prep.synonet.com'; Subject: Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!w- Message-ID: <87r7m2hvit.fsf@prep.synonet.com>h  3 Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes:w  A > If you look into this in more depth, you'll find that there aresA > significant capabilities that VMS, NonStop, and HP-UX have that!C > Linux does not have (and is not likely to gain any time soon) ande > some that it will never have.l  A Well, that just took a beating. Oracle have anounced that the NewtB way is Oracle on a Dell box running Linux. Sun and HPUS are `old'.  < Carly can tell you all about it, she was the next speaker...   -- F< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 10:03:04 -0800i From: bob@instantwhip.com ; Subject: Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product! C Message-ID: <1102441499.921374.286080@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>n  D Congratulations ... you have just won the "I get it" show 1st prize, CEO position at HP!    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 07:12:06 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) H Subject: Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS3 Message-ID: <Dzso3247kBdH@eisner.encompasserve.org>k  _ In article <1102364972.640933.207140@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes:a  C > You want DNS and emai?  Try OpenVMS TCPware PMDF Sophos antivirus?B > and Precisemail anti spam software ... no other vendors solution@ > can match it, and it is completely virus proof and UNHACKABLE!  C Actually, I want tarpitting, and Precisemail neither has it now nor1& will have it in the forseeable future.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:45:38 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>! Subject: Re: ldiq/ldil in Macro64 2 Message-ID: <Cektd.4008$z12.2535@news.cpqcorp.net>   Chip Coldwell wrote:L > The Digital Unix/OSF1/Tru64 Alpha assembler provides ldil (load immediate L > longword) and ldiq (load immediate quadword) macros for loading constants K > into registers.  I took a peak as the gas sources (the GNU assembler for )J > Alpha also provides these macros) and the implementation in machine ops G > looks pretty gnarly.  Does MACRO64 provide anything similar to these .	 > macros?2 >  > Chip >   G LDIL is usually just a LDA and a LDAH pair to load the 32-bit constant   16-bits at a timeg       LDIL  Rn, ttttbbbb   is       LDA   Rn, bbbb(R31)X     LDAH  Rn  tttt(Rn)  A However, sometimes a 2nd LDAH is needed.  The generic approach isd  &    val = <sign-extended, 32-bit value>      low = val <15:0>i    tmp1 = val - SEXT(low)     high = tmp1 <31:16>*    tmp2 = tmp1 - SHIFT_LEFT(SEXT(high,16))    if tmp2 ne 0 then9       ; original value in range 0x7FFF8000 .. 0x7FFFFFFFF        extra = 0x4000       tmp1 = tmp1 - 0x40000000       high = tmp1 <31:16>m    elses       extra = 0@    endif      LDA Rn, low(R31)S+    LDAH Rn, extra(Rn)  ; omit if extra is 0r*    LDAH Rn, high(Rn)   ; omit if high is 0      H For LDIQ, that is probably best just to materialize the 64-bit constant F in the $LINKAGE section and load it from there.  You could expand the G above approach for the 64-bit version which would involve shifting and  F the like, but in general tends to be large enough that the fetch from 5 the linkage section (most likely in cache) is faster.i  E To answer your question, I don't think Macro-64 provides any utility d  macros to do LDIL/LDIQ directly.     -- - John Reaganu/ HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leaderj Hewlett-Packard Companyc   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 10:25:00 -0600s; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)p! Subject: Re: ldiq/ldil in Macro64i3 Message-ID: <tH1RzTxd0aMR@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  } In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0412061441420.31273-100000@frank.harvard.edu>, Chip Coldwell <coldwell@physics.harvard.edu> writes:  > L > The Digital Unix/OSF1/Tru64 Alpha assembler provides ldil (load immediate L > longword) and ldiq (load immediate quadword) macros for loading constants K > into registers.  I took a peak as the gas sources (the GNU assembler for dJ > Alpha also provides these macros) and the implementation in machine ops G > looks pretty gnarly.  Does MACRO64 provide anything similar to these  	 > macros?D  G    I don't know of any that ship with VMS, but I've written them in the H    past and posted them here.  I wonder if Google goes back 10-12 years?  H    Basically there are two approaches:  stuff the data in the data psectC    where it belongs and pick it up using a generated label, or use e=    PC-relative addressing to pick it up from the code stream.-  G    The latter looks cute but is almost certain to cause a D-cache miss.gJ    I believe every Alpha ever built actually implemented separate D-cache     and I-cache.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 01:47:57 -0800y From: martin.walker@csf.co.uktM Subject: Re: looking for list of CD contents of layered-products distribution C Message-ID: <1102412877.524092.167030@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>e  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:rG > In article <newscache$86498i$ftq$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.ats% > (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:  >tE > > >For VAX and ALPHA, for each distribution, there are lists of theaC > > >contents of each CD, what products have changed since the lastc9 > > >distribution, what's new, what has been deleted etc.u > >:; > > For Alpha nothing important and for VAX nothing at all.$ >e* > I guess you mean the most recent change. >,G > Before giving away some old CDs to a good home, I wanted to make suret  B > that I install FROM THE OLD CDs anything which has been retired, which IeB > want and which I don't have installed, since it won't be on more modern > CDs. >sD > With this in mind, I was doing a check to see what is installed on which B > system disk, by searching SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL.HISTORY and using PRODUCTh< > SHOW HISTORY.  Presumably, this should pick up everything.G > Interestingly, it doesn't show the PL/I compiler on VAX, though it is   ? > there.  It DOES show it on ALPHA.  How could this come about?e > F > > and on some more places and finally just where you wanted it to be found,D > > on the OpenVMS homepage in the column "Service and support" item	 "Software  > > Product Library" >n( > Didn't look long enough, I guess.  :-(  8 To find hat you have installed, you could consider RCM -W http://www.software.hp.com/portal/swdepot/displayProductInfo.do?productNumber=RCMBASE01L   (watch line wrap)h  D It looks for key images for each product it knows about and gets the installed version from them.  C If you have the CDs, you can dump and search the indexes (using VMSeD SEARCH) - the index is CD_CONTENTS.DAT - I think it's in the [CDROM]! directory on each distribution CDd   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 01:53:11 -0800r From: martin.walker@csf.co.uk-M Subject: Re: looking for list of CD contents of layered-products distributionmC Message-ID: <1102413191.458599.221460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>1  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:>G > In article <newscache$86498i$ftq$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.atg% > (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:  >lE > > >For VAX and ALPHA, for each distribution, there are lists of theoC > > >contents of each CD, what products have changed since the lastd9 > > >distribution, what's new, what has been deleted etc.r > >m; > > For Alpha nothing important and for VAX nothing at all.  >s* > I guess you mean the most recent change. > G > Before giving away some old CDs to a good home, I wanted to make sure   B > that I install FROM THE OLD CDs anything which has been retired, which I B > want and which I don't have installed, since it won't be on more modern > CDs. > D > With this in mind, I was doing a check to see what is installed on which B > system disk, by searching SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL.HISTORY and using PRODUCTe< > SHOW HISTORY.  Presumably, this should pick up everything.G > Interestingly, it doesn't show the PL/I compiler on VAX, though it isu  ? > there.  It DOES show it on ALPHA.  How could this come about?  >HF > > and on some more places and finally just where you wanted it to be found,D > > on the OpenVMS homepage in the column "Service and support" item	 "Softwarel > > Product Library" > ( > Didn't look long enough, I guess.  :-(  8 To find hat you have installed, you could consider RCM -W http://www.software.hp.com/portal/swdepot/displayProductInfo.do?productNumber=RCMBASE01e   (watch line wrap)p  D It looks for key images for each product it knows about and gets the installed version from them.  C If you have the CDs, you can dump and search the indexes (using VMS#D SEARCH) - the index is CD_CONTENTS.DAT - I think it's in the [CDROM]! directory on each distribution CDf   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:42:51 GMTa6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>I Subject: OpenVMS HP - Intel Developer Forum - Report from the Front Lines > Message-ID: <Ljjtd.16957$8S5.1875650@twister.southeast.rr.com>  M The OpenVMS Consultant: OpenVMS HP - Intel Developer Forum - Report from the n Front Lines-+ by: Bob Gezelter , CDP, Software Consultant7  9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=04/12/07/0088240e       Kenv   OpenVMS.org.% _____________________________________@ Kenneth R. Farmer <><s& SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:31:24 GMTa( From: "John Hayes" <hayes1966@yahoo.com>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS V7.3-2 License issuer> Message-ID: <09jtd.42180$Qv5.35770@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>  H Thank you for all your help. Looks like we need a few more license paks.   John  H "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message & news:31jvoeF3cgemnU1@individual.net... > John Hayes wrote:  >>... F >> I just noticed something looking at the show license command. It isD >> listing users from both nodes of the cluster. We have 40 licensesF >> loaded on each node. I am just wondering if it is not really taking( >> it to be 40 per node but 40 in total. >>...y > F > Your licenses should be in a common database on the cluster and eachI > member should be sharing the common database.  From what I see it looksyC > like you should have a maximum of 42 users on the cluster. 1 fromCE > OPENVMS-ALPHA on ALPHA1, 1 (I'm guessing) from OPENVMS-ALPHA on thenJ > second node and 40 from OPENVMS-ALPHA-ADL that is shared between the two > nodes. >fI > Check the logical LMF$LICENSE on both nodes and make sure they are bothlB > pointing to the same file if the logical is defined. dir/file_idF > lmf$license on both nodes should produce the same result if you have > this logical.  >dI > If the LMF$LICENSE logical is not defined then the file LMF$LICENSE.LDB F > should be in SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]. If both nodes do not give the sameG > answer to the command dir/file_id sys$system:lmf$license.ldb then your > have problems. >dG > If LIC/LIST OPENVMS-ALPHA-ADL does not show the same information fromuF > both nodes then you have one ADL in one database and one in another. >a > -- e > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc.E > Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  > www.weaverconsulting.ca  >n >    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 01:36:43 -0800m. From: "londonphotographer" <mail@ajphoto.info>C Subject: Re: OT Battersea Power Station. Was Re: Marvel PerformancevB Message-ID: <1102412203.365740.35030@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  H Check out my photograph of Battersea Power Station at www.ajphoto.info .   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:11:03 +0100  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>C Subject: Re: OT Battersea Power Station. Was Re: Marvel Performancel- Message-ID: <cp4kms$1abk$1@news.cybercity.dk>i   londonphotographer wrote:e7 > Check out my photograph of Battersea Power Station atn > www.ajphoto.info .  7 One of my favourite industrial buildings - nice photo !h  	 Dr. Dweeb'   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 09:45:10 -0600o; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o< Subject: Re: OT: Gartner says HP may pullk out of PC by 20073 Message-ID: <ma9yKji0P16a@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  V In article <41B111BD.727D293E@pacbell.net>, Tom O'Toole <ereiamjh@pacbell.net> writes: > @ > I'm tempted to say, gartner are fools, but my god they must beF > brilliant, who else could make so much money convincing so many high= > level managers to listen to their crap. It's truly amazing.p >   A    If only we could bless them with some DEC marketing skills form
    Christmas.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 18:15:02 GMTe6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>1 Subject: OT: Pfeiffer mentioned in Forbes articlec> Message-ID: <Gqmtd.17016$8S5.1888583@twister.southeast.rr.com>  F NEW YORK - Doers and doings in business, entertainment and technology:8 http://www.forbes.com/2004/12/07/1207autofacescan02.html  J ..."Accoona Chairman Eckhard Pfeiffer--once the chief executive of Compaq , prior to its merger with Hewlett-Packard"...     Ken    OpenVMS.org % _____________________________________a Kenneth R. Farmer <>< & SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:20:38 -0600* From: Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com>@ Subject: Pathworks 6.0C Windows 2003k AD Domain, making it work.Q Message-ID: <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F960@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>   @ I asked a while back, months back, about getting Windows 2003 ADE Server and Pathworks 6.0C to work together.  The general response waskF that it would not work.  Google did not have any information of anyone; doing this before, so hopefully someone else will find thisaD information useful.  I had to make it work, this is a 24-7 operation> and no downtime was allowed of OpenVMS, so after some creative thinking here is what happened:m  E The old domain was at NT 4 domain, in which the OpenVMS 7.2-1 Machine F was a backup domain controller emulating Windows 3.51 Domain services.D I installed the new 2003 machine as a AD Server, on a new domain.  IE created a domain trust between the 2003 Domain and the NT 4.0 Windowse domain controller.(Q325874)   E LMHOST had to be created(or WINS) on the Windows NT Domain Machine tot see the Windows 2003 Domainc  , 127.0.0.1 <http://127.0.0.1>       localhost@ 10.10.13.1 <http://10.10.13.1>     svhqdcinv721             #PRE #DOM:2k3Domain  F I used the LMHOST file on OpenVMS to declare the IP Address and domain of the 2003 Server.  PWRK$LMROOT:[LANMAN] LMHOST.  ? 10.10.13.1 <http://10.10.13.1> svhqdcinv721 #PRE #DOM:2k3Domainf: 10.10.13.1 <http://10.10.13.1> "2k3Domain      \0x1b" #PRE> 10.10.10.3 <http://10.10.10.3> backupserver #PRE #DOM:NTDomain  E Pathworks was modified to work with LMHOST instead of WINS.  For sometB reason It would not pick up the domain from the WINS entries I had? created.  On the Windows 2003 AD server I modified the Security A Options in the "Default Domain Controller Security Settings" GPO.iE These are the same modifications that are required to make samba work  on with Windows 2003.   : Domain controller: LDAP server signing requirements = NONEF Domain member: Digitally encrypt or sign secure channel data(always) = DISABLEDJ Microsoft network server: Digitally sign communications(always) = DISABLEDE Microsoft network server: Digitally sign communications(if the client  agrees) = DISABLEDC Network security: LAN Manager authentication level = Send LM & NTLMr	 responsesv   rebooted Windows 2003 AD serveri   on OpenVMS:h  ! @sys$startup:pwrk$define_commandsr pwstop pwstartn   To test I went into admin mode   NTDOMAIN\\ALPHA1> login  Username: administratorn	 Password:mF The server \\BACKUPSERVER successfully logged you on as Administrator.1 Your privilege level on domain NTDOMAIN is ADMIN.e1 The last time you logged on was 12/06/04 03:15 PM    NTDOMAIN\\ALPHA1> show trust# Domains trusted by domain NTDOMAIN:-    2k3DOMAIN+ Domains permitted to trust domain NTDOMAIN:     2k3DOMAIN  B NTDOMAIN\\ALPHA1> modify share miccla/perm=(2k3DOMAIN\miccla=full)< %PWRK-S-SHAREMOD, share "MICCLA" modified on server "ALPHA1"  C At this point I was able to browse to the share from windows, whilee$ logged into the Windows 2003 Domain.  " ----------------------------------$ Hopefull I didnt leave anything out.  D Special thanks to the guys at OpenVMS Support for sticking it out on= the phone with me even if you did tell me it wouldn't work =)g    
 Michael Clarkn Network Adminsitrator  Nemschoff Chairs Inc mclark at Nemschoff dot comn" CompTIA A+, Network+, Server+, MCP         A CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all L attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it isL addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed,L copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject toJ intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed andG are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, pleasecH notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and thenH immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without* copying, distributing or disclosing same.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:49:49 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)mD Subject: Re: Reinstalling DECwindows after losing it during upgrade?2 Message-ID: <hqjtd.4001$Wm1.3395@news.cpqcorp.net>  \ In article <41B4D701.58311E81@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >Charlie Hammond wrote:oE >> Yes.  Stop messing around with options -- just install EVERYTHING.vJ >> HP strongly recommends this because... well, you now know why, I guess. >w0 >OK, maybe you can reduce some of the confusion:  # More likely I'll add to it.  <grin>   D Hint: Installation for OpenVMS VAX is different from installation ofK OpenVMS Alpha and I64.  It may be easier NOT to look for parallel functions 1 but just to [try to] undertstand each on its own.o   That said...  L >On VAX, one must first install the DECwindows "support" files. (fonts etc).O >This is VMS specific and not related to Motif per say. This is part of the VMSsM >installation procedure but is optional. If you do not install this with VMS,EF >you can install it later with the SYS$UPDATE:DECW$TAILOR.EXE utility. >aC >Once that is done, you can then install the Motif layered product.    Correct.   >----0 > M >On Alpha, are the decwindows support files an option during VMS installationo# >or are they installed by default ?0   They are an option.  w  4 On a new installation they are installed by default.+ (i.e. the default for the option is "YES".)r  = On an upgrade, if this option was NOT installed in the prior /E installation/upgrade, then the default for THIS upgrade becomes "NO".M< (i.e. by default, the upgrade trys to keep things the same.)  H >On Alpha, does the installation CD give the equivalent functionality of7 >DECW$TAILOR, or must one re-install VMS from scratch ?>  D On OpenVMS Alpha and I64 the POLYCENTER Software Installation (PCSI)G utility provides the PRODUCT RECONFIGURE command.  While not completelypJ identical to the VMSTAILOR and/or DECW$TAILOR, this provides functionality that is very similar.n  J If you try to PRODUCT RECONFIGURE VMS or OPENVMS (see explaination furtherL along) from a running system, you need to point to the kit on the CD or DVD.K I do not recommend (or support!!) doing this.  Instead, boot the CD or DVD.s  G If you attemt to install, from the OpenVMS Alpha Operating System CD or D from the OpenVMS I64 Operating Environment DVD, the same version of F OpenVMS that is already installed, you will get to a menu with several options:  -         1)  Reconfigure the OpenVMS platform.y5         2)  Reconfigure the OpenVMS operating system.w3         3)  Reinstall the OpenVMS operating system.   J In a prior reply I suggested that you choose the 3rd option, and, after itE completes, choose the install LP option from the main menu to install H DWMOTIF.  This is what I would do because even though it is a bit largerF hammer than necessary, the added time is minimal and it is most likley8 to get things right in an environment that is not right.  B However, an alternate approache is to first choose the 2nd option.C Say "NO" to "Do you want all the defaults"; go through the defaultsn< and set [at least] the DECwindows support option to "YES".  ? (I recommend setting _ALL_ options to "YES" to avoid any other g problems that may be lurking.)  F After you do this you can either do the LP install for DWMOTIF, or youD can do another operating system install and choose option 1 from theG menu shown above.  Again , say "NO" to "Do you want all the defaults";  D go through the defaults and say "YES" to the option that selects the DWMOTIF installation.t  - See, I told you I would add to the confusion!o A bit of Explaination...  A On OpenVMS Alpha and I64, the installation or upgrade points to a B "Platform" kit.  This is a very small PCSI kit that includes otherF kits, some required and some optional.  On OpenVMS V7.3-2 the required kits include       VMS (the operating system)     CDSA     KERBEROS- (There are additional required kits on V8.2.)o   and the optional kits includen       DWMOTIFN     DECNET Phase IVw     DECnet Plus (DECNET_OSI)
     TCP/IP  C So when you install from the CD/DVD you have two levels of options:rG You can choose to install or not the windowing and networking products. J And for the required products plus any optional products that you include,J you can choose whaterver options they offer.  (Some may not have options.)  xI For software that was previously installed, the defaults for options comeoL from the prior installation.  For software that is NOT previously installed,E the defaults come from the kit; this applies both to the PLATFORM kityH and to the individual product kits.  If a kit has an option and does not? supply an explicit default, the default for the default is yes.     Now, aren't you sorry you asked?  F But seriously, if you just always accept the defaults, pretty much theB right things happens automagically.  Unlike VAX, where you have to& re-input your choices on each upgrade.  K >Or does the Alpha version of Motif include both motif and the decw supports >files ?   No.  See above.-   I hope this is useful.   -- eJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:33:33 -0500r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>oD Subject: Re: Reinstalling DECwindows after losing it during upgrade?, Message-ID: <41B5CD43.E95C7BF5@teksavvy.com>   Charlie Hammond wrote: > I hope this is useful.  E Yes, your explanation was quite helpful and did not add to confusion.u  M On VAX, one could DECW$TAILOR VMSINSTALL DWMOTIF on a running system. In yournN message, you strongly advised to boot from the CD to perform those operations.K Are there reasons that this is more "strongly suggested" on Alpha with PCSIo than on VAX with VMSINSTAL ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 18:35:48 GMTo3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)lD Subject: Re: Reinstalling DECwindows after losing it during upgrade?2 Message-ID: <8Kmtd.4020$Kc2.1025@news.cpqcorp.net>  \ In article <41B5CD43.E95C7BF5@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >Charlie Hammond wrote:n >> I hope this is useful.a >sF >Yes, your explanation was quite helpful and did not add to confusion.  
 Thank you.  K >On VAX, one could DECW$TAILOR VMSINSTALL DWMOTIF on a running system. ... aA     This command   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   is not valid. < You cannot combine VMSINSTAL [note: 1 "L"] and DECW$TAILOR.   9 On VAX, one can (still!) use DECW$TAILOR to add or remover? the DECWINDOWS support option to/from a running OpenVMS system.a  I For installing DWMOTIF on VAX, there are (on the 7.3 operating system CD)n@ both PCSI and VMSINSTAL kits for both V1.2-5 and V1.2-6 DWMOTIF.@ So one could use VIMINSTAL or PCSI.   I don't have a copy of theJ DECwindows installation manual at hand, so I don't know the considerationsI for which of these you would choose.  Earlier version of OpenVMS probably > had only the VMSINSTAL kit(s).  (for some value of "earlier".)   >... In yourO >message, you strongly advised to boot from the CD to perform those operations.lL >Are there reasons that this is more "strongly suggested" on Alpha with PCSI >than on VAX with VMSINSTAL ?t  F Well, on VAX you must do it from the running system.  You can't do it C from the CD.  (O.K., in _theory_ you could install the PCSI DWMOTIFhA kit when booted from the CD, but this assumes you know how to usesL PRODUCT INSTALL /REMOTE, which can be tricky and is beyond this discussion.)  N On Alpha and I64, there is no supported way to add the DECwindows support bitsJ except by booting the CD.  Once you've done that,  it is easier to use theD LP option (or reconfigure the platform) to install the DWMOTIF bits.G I "strongly recommneded" this because I think it is an approach that iseG less likely to lead you into making mistakes.  However, once the suportlG bits are in place, you certainly can mount the CD on your runing systemiB and PRODUCT INSTALL DWMOTIF with the /SOURCE qualifier pointing to the CD.u   -- cJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 01:57:02 -0800D From: vzbywqtr@search26.coma: Subject: Re: reporter inquiry: Is HP selling AlphaServers?C Message-ID: <1102413422.280675.203120@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>l   http://www.ardice.com/Regional/North_America/United_States/Washington/Metro_Areas/Tri-Cities_Metro/Business_and_Economy/Advertising_&_Marketing/   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 10:30:06 -0800o+ From: "Edward Alexander" <blokey@gmail.com>e! Subject: Re: Scripted Mail Agent?eC Message-ID: <1102444206.513332.183700@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>i   Done....  G If its a mess or you want any info email me at blokey [at] blokey [dot]i org    Edward Alexander.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:27:41 +0000 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>a: Subject: Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?, Message-ID: <31lf12F3ai4gmU1@individual.net>   Chris Scheers wrote: > Barry wrote: > J >> Would someone be so kind as the answer the original question, i.e., howI >> can I do the equivalent of a standalone backup under Windows?  I'm not E >> interested in decompression, but in doing a full backup of my hardrJ >> drive while Windows is doing as little as possible.  I have W98SE.  WhoI >> knows the best way to do a complete (/IMAGE) backup of my C drive even + >> while I'm up and running off C?  Thanks!t >> > < > Windows does not have the equivalent of standalone backup. > I > There are some third party tools which come close.  With a combination s0 > of tools, you may be able to do what you want.  >  > [...snip...]   E How's about the idea of using a low-end VMS box (such as PWS or DS10)>; with an IDE controller (assuming the Windoze disk is IDE) ?i   Then it's a simple case of:    	$ backup/physical dqa1: ...  < Yes, I know it would require a reboot of the VMS box ... ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 06:11:09 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>h: Subject: Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?, Message-ID: <41B58FAA.A14C67AB@teksavvy.com>  L Friends of mine were touring on bikes recently and the husband had a laptop.J Twice, the hard drive had to be rebuilt from scratch by whatever stores he could find.a  N He started off with Windows 2000 I think, but after the second crash, he endedN up with Windows 98 because the Toshiba repair centre insisted on reloading theM OS the machine came with. These are raw disk images, and I do not believe youmJ can load those onto a partitioned drive (eg: to load 2 copies of the OS).   M My friend also said that there was no reliable way to backup a running systemVH because some files would be missing (anything which is locked). And withL floppies a thing of the past, the "standlone boot" is not so simple anymore.  K Howeber, the BBC programme "Click Online" had an interesting suggestion foruL this very problem. There are now disk caddies that incorporate a USB adaptorN and power supply for a cheap drive. So you can put in a 40 gig drive into thisK small caddy, plug it into the USB port of your laptop and voila, you have auH backup drive. But not all ROMs are able to boot from a USB served drive.  L You still need a partitioned drive. When C is corrupt, you boot from D whichL has copy of C, then insert the backup drive (Lets call it D) and copy from D to A.   M To backup A to D, you have to boot from D, (freeing A), and you can then copyw from A to D.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 12:08:01 +0100iC From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) : Subject: Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?2 Message-ID: <41b58f11$1@merkur.rz.uni-konstanz.de>  6 In article <31lf12F3ai4gmU1@individual.net>, Roy Omond% <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> writes:r >Chris Scheers wrote:y >> Barry wrote:c >> :G >>> Would someone be so kind as the answer the original question, i.e.,k >howJ >>> can I do the equivalent of a standalone backup under Windows?  I'm notF >>> interested in decompression, but in doing a full backup of my hardG >>> drive while Windows is doing as little as possible.  I have W98SE. e >WhoJ >>> knows the best way to do a complete (/IMAGE) backup of my C drive even, >>> while I'm up and running off C?  Thanks! >>>u >> d= >> Windows does not have the equivalent of standalone backup.p >> iJ >> There are some third party tools which come close.  With a combination 1 >> of tools, you may be able to do what you want.d > >S > > [...snip...] > F >How's about the idea of using a low-end VMS box (such as PWS or DS10)< >with an IDE controller (assuming the Windoze disk is IDE) ? >N >Then it's a simple case of: >R >	$ backup/physical dqa1: ...r > = >Yes, I know it would require a reboot of the VMS box ... ;-)h >e   Here is my solution:  > DVDarchive/restore (freeware) + DVDwrite (free for Hobbyists).  A Put the disk drive in a extern box. Use a SCSI- or IDE-interface.m6 Mount it foreign.  Call the archive command procedure.8 Restriction: you need temporary disk space (~ 4 - 8 GB).   Eberhard  B PS: A IA64 version of DVDwrite now is available. I'm sure Intel/HP3 will produce millions a servers for that reason ....   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:13:34 GMTs% From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net>i: Subject: Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?3 Message-ID: <slrncrbi6r.5mj.rivie@Stench.no.domain>   = On 2004-12-07, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: O > My friend also said that there was no reliable way to backup a running systemuJ > because some files would be missing (anything which is locked). And withN > floppies a thing of the past, the "standlone boot" is not so simple anymore.  H I just did a backup of my wife's PC (the merging of backups worked! It'sE up again) using MaxBlast3 (Staples was having a sale on really reallyo@ big hard disks) and it claimed it could not copy 9 files. 8 wereF Exploder temporary files and the 9th was pagefile.sys. The system will> recreate pagefile.sys and I doubt Exploder temporary files are
 important. -- p
 Roger Ivie rivie@ridgenet.net http://anachronda.webhop.org/o -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- 
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    Use ghost.r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:07:34 -0500# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>-: Subject: RE: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDKEJDFNAA.dallen@nist.gov>  B UltraBac image backup is pretty close to VMS image SAB. StandaloneG backup/restore to/from network file shares and tapes is supported via a L standalone bootable CD image. It's not as flexible as SAB wrt restoring to aN disk that's not the same as the original but it's a good way to recover if theN replacement hardware is the same as the original.  Claims to work on a runningN system as well but I'm paranoid...  Last time I checked not very pricey for anL individual system and of course they have the "Enterprise Solution" as well.& Not an endorsement just my experience.   Danw  G Hey Microsoft - it's not rocket science, just basic computer science...e   > -----Original Message-----. > From: Roger Ivie [mailto:rivie@ridgenet.net]+ > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 10:14 AMi > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com1< > Subject: Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? >- >-? > On 2004-12-07, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:jB > > My friend also said that there was no reliable way to backup a > running systemL > > because some files would be missing (anything which is locked). And withP > > floppies a thing of the past, the "standlone boot" is not so simple anymore. >aJ > I just did a backup of my wife's PC (the merging of backups worked! It'sG > up again) using MaxBlast3 (Staples was having a sale on really reallysB > big hard disks) and it claimed it could not copy 9 files. 8 wereH > Exploder temporary files and the 9th was pagefile.sys. The system will@ > recreate pagefile.sys and I doubt Exploder temporary files are > important. > -- > Roger Ivie > rivie@ridgenet.net > http://anachronda.webhop.org/X! > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----, > Version: 3.12LJ > GCS/P d- s:+++ a+ C++ UB--(++++) !P L- !E W++ N++ o-- K w O- M+ V+++ PS+@ > PE++ Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X-- R tv++ b++ DI+++ D+ G e++ h--- r+++ z+++! > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------S >T >F   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Dec 2004 12:01:25 -0600g4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow): Subject: Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?3 Message-ID: <Z4nz7vyHB1A3@eisner.encompasserve.org>R  f In article <1102345538.159703.164460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Barry" <dysert@gmail.com> writes:I > Would someone be so kind as the answer the original question, i.e., howeH > can I do the equivalent of a standalone backup under Windows?  I'm notD > interested in decompression, but in doing a full backup of my hardI > drive while Windows is doing as little as possible.  I have W98SE.  WhokH > knows the best way to do a complete (/IMAGE) backup of my C drive even* > while I'm up and running off C?  Thanks!   Install Linux?  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"/& 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf4L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I         Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do ita4         with religious conviction. --  Blaise Pascal   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:53:06 -0600* From: Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com>Y Subject: RE: [SPAM] - Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? -	Bayesian FilterqQ Message-ID: <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F962@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>   < Norton Ghost is my favorite way of handling this on windows.    = On 2004-12-07, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:.H > My friend also said that there was no reliable way to backup a running systemJ > because some files would be missing (anything which is locked). And withE > floppies a thing of the past, the "standlone boot" is not so simplet anymore.      A CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all L attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it isL addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed,L copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject toJ intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed andG are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, pleaseuH notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and thenH immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without* copying, distributing or disclosing same.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:47:13 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? -	Bayesian Filterc, Message-ID: <hpqdnQoKL_8NQyjcRVn-vw@igs.net>   Michael Clark wrote:> > Norton Ghost is my favorite way of handling this on windows.        I I replied to the original poster but my reply seems to have vanished intoe, the bit bucket, and I hate my newsreader....  5 The OP was basically looking for a disk defragmenter.   J Norton Systemworks Speed Disk will do what he wants, including the abilityI to decide which files go where on the drive - if that's important to you.   ; Executive Software Diskeeper for Windows may also help you.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 09:24:55 -0800S From: Z <z@no.spam>CY Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? - Bayesian Filter'( Message-ID: <CHltd.533$ff4.120@fe07.lga>   John Smith wrote:D> >>Norton Ghost is my favorite way of handling this on windows.  K > I replied to the original poster but my reply seems to have vanished intot. > the bit bucket, and I hate my newsreader.... > 7 > The OP was basically looking for a disk defragmenter.l > L > Norton Systemworks Speed Disk will do what he wants, including the abilityK > to decide which files go where on the drive - if that's important to you.d  G I sure hope the current one is better than the one that shipped System aD Works 2000, which corrupted the filesystems on 2 PCs I had.  I will C NEVER EVER use Norton again for defrag. Booting into Safe Mode and eC running the regular Windows defrag, I can defrag in about the same ]C time as Speed Disk (when it worked) and I've NEVER wound up with a -
 corrupted fs.     Use Speed Disk at YOUR OWN RISK.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.679 ************************