1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 08 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 681       Contents:C Re: carly(tm): HP's Future All About Execution ....we can only hope 2 Re: finding out what is installed on a system disk2 Re: finding out what is installed on a system diskH FOR SALE: Lot of 6 Belkin Serial DB25 M/M Cables & other misc. equipment1 Re: FTP program connect to VMS client under linux 1 Re: FTP program connect to VMS client under linux 1 Re: FTP program connect to VMS client under linux 2 Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!+ Intel accelerates deployment of 64 bit 8086 / Re: Intel accelerates deployment of 64 bit 8086  Re: Need DLT label stockB NFS problem, server = VMS-TCPIP, client = Solaris.  Mount, hang...F Re: NFS problem, server = VMS-TCPIP, client = Solaris.  Mount, hang...F Re: NFS problem, server = VMS-TCPIP, client = Solaris.  Mount, hang...E Re: NFS problem, server = VMS-TCPIP, client = Solaris. Mount, hang...  Re: OpenVMS Multimedia Re: OpenVMS Multimedia0 Re: OT: Chinese now 3rd biggest PC manufacturers0 Re: OT: Chinese now 3rd biggest PC manufacturers0 Re: OT: Chinese now 3rd biggest PC manufacturers; Re: Reinstalling DECwindows after losing it during upgrade?  Re: Suggestion for DECW TPU/EVE  Re: Suggestion for DECW TPU/EVE  Re: TK50 cartridge resurrection  Re: TK50 cartridge resurrection P Re: [SPAM] - Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? - Bayesian Filter  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2004 10:54:27 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)L Subject: Re: carly(tm): HP's Future All About Execution ....we can only hope3 Message-ID: <5k$22xkIC5$A@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <G6adnfZXMqwVvivcRVn-tg@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:G > It's amazing how much less compact a language Weasel is than English.  > 9 > http://www.crn.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=55300072  > * > Fiorina: HP's Future All About Execution  ) Once can only hope they start at the top!   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I I support drug testing. I believe every public official should be given a I shot of sodium pentathol and ask "Which laws have you broken this week?".    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 11:30:15 +0200 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>; Subject: Re: finding out what is installed on a system disk & Message-ID: <41B6E5C7.2D88E3FC@hp.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:  >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > d > > In article <41B38D20.641D2FA4@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:5 > > > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > > M > > >> I have only installed stuff via the menu from the layered-product CDs, 7 > > >> so there shouldn't be anything strange going on.  > > >>N > > >> It would be nice if, when installing a product from the layered-productH > > >> CDs, it would give an informational message if the product is notL > > >> already installed or if an older version is, and a warning if a newer$ > > >> version is already installed. > > > N > > > Depends. What are the criteria for those decisions? I believe that's the# > > > root question you are asking.  > > > M > > > I doubt there is a DEFINITIVE approach, since there are so many ways to  > > > "skin a cat".  > > > K > > > The contents of the SYS$SYSTEM path won't do since some folks like to / > > > have third-party products kept elsewhere.  > > . > > You missed the part (above) where he said: > > M > > >> I have only installed stuff via the menu from the layered-product CDs, 7 > > >> so there shouldn't be anything strange going on.  > G > Actually, no I didn't. I thought it brash to assume that just because B > software was installed using the menu on the CD that the install4 > procedures and implementation were all consistent. > J > ...unless you're aware of a(n undocumented?) install history facility in > the CD menus...? >  > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   D Do you have a CD labeled "software tools" that came with the OpenVMS distrib?F IIRC theres something called "DASC" - of course my memory could be way off...   Mike --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2004 11:53:19 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: finding out what is installed on a system disk 3 Message-ID: <cBDIFovmxjPK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <41B66E22.7F81FB1E@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote:  - >> You missed the part (above) where he said:  >>  L >> >> I have only installed stuff via the menu from the layered-product CDs,6 >> >> so there shouldn't be anything strange going on. > G > Actually, no I didn't. I thought it brash to assume that just because B > software was installed using the menu on the CD that the install4 > procedures and implementation were all consistent.  D The last I heard, for a group to get their product onto the softwareC distribution CDroms it had to use LMF and either VMSINSTAL or PCSI.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 03:19:19 -0500  From: VLC User <fake@email.com> Q Subject: FOR SALE: Lot of 6 Belkin Serial DB25 M/M Cables & other misc. equipment 8 Message-ID: <9rddr0hg28qked83gt716vhnckn6tafqcl@4ax.com>  1 FOR SALE: Lot of 6 Belkin Serial DB25 M/M Cables.    Brand new, never used  6 ft. M/M DB25 cables  Serial, straight-through Belkin Part No. F3D111b06   E These cables are hard-to-find, but I have a lot of six (6) of them if  you're in need of them.   ? For more information on this and other items I'm selling, or to 7 contact me, see http://mywebpages.comcast.net/4sale2005    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:58:49 -0800 8 From: Luc The Perverse <sll_NOSPAM_zm@remove.cc.usu.edu>: Subject: Re: FTP program connect to VMS client under linux> Message-ID: <pan.2004.12.08.08.58.45.898658@remove.cc.usu.edu>  6 On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:37:20 -0600, Bob Koehler wrote:  { > In article <pan.2004.12.07.06.52.13.801765@remove.cc.usu.edu>, Luc The Perverse <sll_NOSPAM_zm@remove.cc.usu.edu> writes:  > I >> Problem - The location that is hosting my webpage runs on VMS and uses L >> some unusual protocals.  It calls itself FTP, but anything you can't pull1 >> up in mozilla, doesn't classify in my book.     > E >    FTP does not include any standard that references mozilla.  Your D >    tool is probably breaking the stanard for FTP that says LIST isG >    for human readable output and NLST is for machine readable output.  > I >    This has nothing to do with the underlying protocol and is the fault 3 >    of the tool you are using.  Get a better tool.  > H >    Also, be darn sure your tool knows the difference between uploadingF >    in binary and ASCII.  Most web browsers try to figure this out by >    file extension.  3 I was actually coming here looking for a suggestion    -LTP   :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:50:03 +0100 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> : Subject: Re: FTP program connect to VMS client under linux* Message-ID: <cp6f7r$n0q$1@news.tudelft.nl>  , Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:{ > In article <pan.2004.12.07.06.52.13.801765@remove.cc.usu.edu>, Luc The Perverse <sll_NOSPAM_zm@remove.cc.usu.edu> writes:  > L >>I have a little program I wrote in C++ - laughably simple, for managing my< >>indices on the left navbar.  This is on a suse 9.1 box.    >>H >>Problem - The location that is hosting my webpage runs on VMS and usesK >>some unusual protocals.  It calls itself FTP, but anything you can't pull 0 >>up in mozilla, doesn't classify in my book.    >  > N > This subject comes up here on comp.os.vms every so often.  It turns out thatQ > the FTP protocol doesn't define remote directory listing formats very well, and K > so FTP clients try to parse whatever they get back, and most of them only P > really know how to do Unix and Windows directory listings.  I know that's trueN > for IE; didn't know it was true for Mozilla.  Not clear why you're trying to' > use Mozilla as an FTP client, though.  > F Recent version of Mozilla work just fine as client to an OpennVMS-FTP  server.   / I always advise people to use (in this order) :     1) plain text-mode FTP     2) On Windows : WS-FTP     3) On MacIntosh : Fetch$    4) Mozilla for anonymous download                 Jouk   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2004 08:10:27 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org: Subject: Re: FTP program connect to VMS client under linux3 Message-ID: <8p4JQAbk7aaa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   y In article <pan.2004.12.08.08.58.45.898658@remove.cc.usu.edu>, Luc The Perverse <sll_NOSPAM_zm@remove.cc.usu.edu> writes: 8 > On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:37:20 -0600, Bob Koehler wrote:J >>> Problem - The location that is hosting my webpage runs on VMS and usesM >>> some unusual protocals.  It calls itself FTP, but anything you can't pull 2 >>> up in mozilla, doesn't classify in my book.    >>  F >>    FTP does not include any standard that references mozilla.  YourE >>    tool is probably breaking the stanard for FTP that says LIST is H >>    for human readable output and NLST is for machine readable output. >>  J >>    This has nothing to do with the underlying protocol and is the fault4 >>    of the tool you are using.  Get a better tool. >>  I >>    Also, be darn sure your tool knows the difference between uploading G >>    in binary and ASCII.  Most web browsers try to figure this out by  >>    file extension.  > 5 > I was actually coming here looking for a suggestion   1 One suggestion that comes to mind is unprintable.    On a more productive note...  C Suggestion:  Learn to include relevant information when you ask for H help.  What did you try?  How did it fail?  What was supposed to happen?> All in as much detail as is possible.  Actual commands, actualC error messages, pulled with cut and past, if possible.  And give us D a little background information.  It's amazing how often someone whoD is pulling out their hair after working a problem for hours will notC include details like which side is the client and which side is the  server when asking for help.   e.g.  @ "I am using a command line ftp client on Linux (RedHat blah blahG blah) to access an FTP server on a VMS box.  This is all on the company F network, so there's no firewall or proxy or NAT involvement.  I do notG know what FTP software is in place on the server side.  It appears that H I can get logged in successfully, but I can't reach the directory that I$ want to hit.  Here is a session log:   C:\> ftp alpha.tst.tracor.com " Connected to alpha.tst.tracor.com.P 220 alpha.tst.tracor.com MultiNet FTP Server Process V4.3(16) at Wed 8-Dec-2004 
 8:55AM-EST [login details suppressed] ftp> pwd, 257 "DISK1420:[VAXS09] is current directory. ftp> cd nosuchdir 1 550 %RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: [.nosuchdir]  ftp> cd [nosuchdir] 0 550 %RMS-E-DNF, directory not found: [nosuchdir] ftp>  A "According to the instructions I got from the administrators, ...    	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2004 10:14:26 -0800 ' From: "DL Phillips" <whohe@whoever.com> ; Subject: Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product! B Message-ID: <1102529666.032370.88660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:D > In article <1102457912.566914.20390@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,) "DL Phillips" <whohe@whoever.com> writes:  > > Larry Kilgallen wrote:2 > >> In article <87r7m2hvit.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com  > > writes: : > >> > Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes: > >> >G > >> >> If you look into this in more depth, you'll find that there are G > >> >> significant capabilities that VMS, NonStop, and HP-UX have that E > >> >> Linux does not have (and is not likely to gain any time soon)  and % > >> >> some that it will never have.  > >> >D > >> > Well, that just took a beating. Oracle have anounced that the New B > >> > way is Oracle on a Dell box running Linux. Sun and HPUS are `old'. > >>D > >> After spending $40,000 on an Oracle license, I don't understand why ' > >> someone would go cheap on the box.  > > < > > From: < http://www.oracle.com/solutions/mid/index.html > > >  > > ++A > > Oracle Database 10g Standard Edition One-Easy to Buy, Easy to  > > Install, Easy to Use > > C > > Get the world's most popular database priced for your business.  OracleF > > Database 10g Standard Edition One is available for US$149 per user withC > > Named User Plus Licensing (minimum five users US$745). Make the  mostE > > efficient use of your hardware and IT resources, deliver response  times E > > your users demand, reduce downtime, secure for your business, and < > > invest in technology that will grow with as you do. ..." > F > I was under the impression that the per-user licensing did not applyE > to Oracle Rdb and thus even for Oracle Classic it was missing heavy E > integrity features one expects if one is bothering to consider VMS.   F The point is that you don't have to spend $40,000 for a license to getE an Oracle Database. As far as going upscale and spending $40k, if you C properly analyze your needs and budget, and you can accomplish your E goals on a $10k- $15k Linux platform, then why would it make sense to . spend double or triple that for anything else?  6 Here's the article that explains what Paul was saying:  > < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/06/oracle_ow_opening/ >   ++< Oracle's data center of the future doesn't include HP or Sun   By Ashlee Vance in Chicago, Published Monday 6th December 2004 19:01 GMT  B HP and Sun Microsystems should take note. Oracle has announced itsC "architecture of the future," and HP and Sun have been left off the  plans. ...  ++  G The link at the bottom: Linux_set_for_ERP_ascendency goes to an article 
 that says:   ++A There are four reasons for the shift: Linux has hit technological E parity with Windows Server and Unix; it runs on cheaper hardware than C Unix and is cheaper to acquire than Windows; it is more secure than < Windows Server; and it enjoys the support of Oracle and IBM.  @ [The] Peerstone [Research study, promoted by IBM] found two mainD barriers to widespread adoption of Linux: concerns of a higher totalG cost of ownership because of the high cost of Linux administrators; and D fears raised by SCO's attempted "legal assault on Linux intellectual
 property".  F Peerstone believe labour costs will fall as more people get trained inE Linux. It adds: "As for SCO's court case, we believe it has little if C any substance, and will sooner or later succumb to IBM's vast legal $ resources and "hang tough" strategy. ++  E So, VMS isn't wasn't mentioned and since Carly spoke immediatly after G the Oracle announcement, that would have been a great chance to mention E some of the VMS advantages. Too bad she doesn't know what they are;-(  Doug   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:21:54 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Intel accelerates deployment of 64 bit 8086, Message-ID: <41B7463E.BCBDF416@teksavvy.com>   ##M Intel once said desktop buyers wouldn't really need 64-bit capabilities until K toward the end of the decade, but the company will make such capabilities a , feature across its desktop lines next year.   K The Santa Clara, Calif.-based chipmaker disclosed at its analyst meeting in G New York that it will include 64-bit functionality on its desktop chips I starting in 2005, a schedule that roughly coincides with the release of a J 64-bit version of Windows for desktops coming next year. The functionality- will appear even in the budget Celeron line.   ##   full article at:d > http://news.com.com/Intel+to+put+64+bits+in+desktops+in+2005/2100-1006_3-5482345.html?tag=nefd.top  M This is, of course no surprise. AMD has put pressure on Intel to make its own D 8086 64 bits, and AMD will put pressure on Intel to raise the 8086'sH performance and features to grab more and more of the enterprise market.  I Perhaps we haven't heard much of Hoff lately because he is sequestered in 4 ZKO's basement working on the VMS port to the 8086 ?  M Seems to me that both HP and Intel are on some fast path to announcing IA64's N demise. I was originally under the impression that they'd wait until 2007. ButR now, I am not sure that IA64 will see the end of 2005 before its EOL is announced.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 10:41:31 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 8 Subject: Re: Intel accelerates deployment of 64 bit 8086( Message-ID: <opsipcvhbkzgicya@hyrrokkin>  . On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:21:54 -0500, JF Mezei  % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > ##K > Intel once said desktop buyers wouldn't really need 64-bit capabilities    > until @ > toward the end of the decade, but the company will make such   > capabilities a- > feature across its desktop lines next year.  > L > The Santa Clara, Calif.-based chipmaker disclosed at its analyst meeting   > inI > New York that it will include 64-bit functionality on its desktop chips K > starting in 2005, a schedule that roughly coincides with the release of a @ > 64-bit version of Windows for desktops coming next year. The   > functionality . > will appear even in the budget Celeron line. > ## >  > full article at:e >> http://news.com.com/Intel+to+put+64+bits+in+desktops+in+2005/2100-1006_3-5482345.html?tag=nefd.top  > I > This is, of course no surprise. AMD has put pressure on Intel to make   	 > its own F > 8086 64 bits, and AMD will put pressure on Intel to raise the 8086'sJ > performance and features to grab more and more of the enterprise market. > K > Perhaps we haven't heard much of Hoff lately because he is sequestered in 6 > ZKO's basement working on the VMS port to the 8086 ? > J > Seems to me that both HP and Intel are on some fast path to announcing   > IA64'sH > demise. I was originally under the impression that they'd wait until   > 2007. But K > now, I am not sure that IA64 will see the end of 2005 before its EOL is    > announced.  * I wonder if they will have smp support :-)   --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2004 10:45:44 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)! Subject: Re: Need DLT label stock 3 Message-ID: <UA4rfv+dAu5F@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <mcmldu342+v8@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:D > We got some nifty blank light cardboard pre-perforated label stockG > from www.netclabels.com.  The part number on the DLT/TK50 label stock H > is 749303-70001.  I can print a sheet at a time and tear off the one ID > need when I need it.  I used a PS file I found on c.o.v. (IIRC) toD > create barcode and text labels for these sheets.  Sometimes I just< > scribble on a blank one if I don't need to have a barcode.  E I've asked them to send me a sample, but this looks like what I need.   H I found the PS barcode generator, but I don't need that as we don't haveJ libraries, just the drives. What I do need is something to generate labelsK that indicate IMAGE or DAILY, SYSTEM name, and DATE as my handwriting would G qualify me for an M.D. :-) Since there are 30 labels per sheet, maybe a , month worth per page or something like that.    1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I I support drug testing. I believe every public official should be given a I shot of sodium pentathol and ask "Which laws have you broken this week?".    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:41:56 -0600 (CST) From: sms@antinode.orgK Subject: NFS problem, server = VMS-TCPIP, client = Solaris.  Mount, hang... ) Message-ID: <04120723415676@antinode.org>   H    Today's NFS problem follows.  Clever ideas and/or helpful suggestionsA are welcome.  Does anyone actually use a Solaris system as an NFS H client of a VMS-TCPIP system?  (Q: Why would anyone use a Solaris systemD as an NFS client of a VMS-TCPIP system?  A: Because it feels so good when you stop.)   
    Client:  
 ung# uname -a 8 SunOS ung 5.9 Generic_112233-11 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-1      Servers:   , ALP $ tcpip show version  ! AlpSta 200 4/233?   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 4 4   on a AlphaStation 200 4/233 running OpenVMS V7.3-1  ' ALP2 $ tcpip show version ! PWS 500a[u] ;   HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 4 ;   on a Digital Personal WorkStation  running OpenVMS V7.3-2     F    On the Solaris system, I can "cd" to one of the exported VMS disks,F and OPCOM messages show the mount as successful, but any attempt to doH anything on the Solaris system ("pwd", "ls") hangs, for at least severalD minutes, during which time the TCPIP SHOW NFS counters rise, and the@ TCPIP$NFS_1 process accumulates I/O and (lots of) CPU time.  TheH behavior is the same with either VMS server (except that the CPU hogging& is more painful on the slower system).   ALP $ tcpip show map"             Dynamic Filesystem Map; Pathname                                Logical File System 1 /dka0                                   ALP$DKA0:    ALP2 $ tcpip show map "             Dynamic Filesystem Map; Pathname                                Logical File System 4 /dkb300                                 ALP2$DKB300:2 /dka0                                   ALP2$DKA0:   TCPIP> sho nfs /ver = v3   Server rpc: G tcp:       calls   badcalls   nullrecv     badlen    xdrcall    creates G             3133          0          0          0          0          8 < udp:       calls   badcalls   nullrecv     badlen    xdrcall<                4          0          0          0          0   Server nfs: B       calls   badcalls    badprog    badproc    badvers    badargsB        3136          0          1          0          0          0  unprivport   weakauth           0          0  ' Server nfs V3: (3136 out of 3136 calls) M        null    getattr    setattr     lookup     access   readlink       read M      4   0%     8   0%     0   0%     9   0%    18   0%     0   0%     0   0% M       write     create      mkdir    symlink      mknod     remove      rmdir M      0   0%     0   0%     0   0%     0   0%     0   0%     0   0%     0   0% M      rename       link    readdir   readdir+     fsstat     fsinfo   pathconf M      0   0%     0   0%     0   0%  3095  98%     0   0%     2   0%     0   0%       commit       0   0%   .    Everyone thinks that mounts work.  Samples:  P %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   7-DEC-2004 23:22:26.35  %%%%%%%%%%%    (from node ALP2   at   7-DEC-2004 23:22:25.88) # Message from user TCPIP$NFS on ALP2 . %TCPIP-S-NFS_MNTSUC, mounted file system /dka0= -TCPIP-S-NFS_CLIENT, uid=0 gid=0 host_name = ung.antinode.org   P %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   7-DEC-2004 23:44:22.35  %%%%%%%%%%%    (from node ALP2   at   7-DEC-2004 23:44:21.87) # Message from user TCPIP$NFS on ALP2 3 %TCPIP-S-NFS_UMNSUC, file system /dka0 is unmounted = -TCPIP-S-NFS_CLIENT, uid=0 gid=0 host_name = ung.antinode.org   8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   8-DEC-2004 00:01:09.76  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user TCPIP$NFS on ALP. %TCPIP-S-NFS_MNTSUC, mounted file system /dka0= -TCPIP-S-NFS_CLIENT, uid=0 gid=0 host_name = ung.antinode.org    ung# mount | grep alp P /net/alp2/dkb300 on alp2:/dkb300 remote/read/write/nosuid/xattr/dev=47c0004 on T ue Dec  7 23:32:56 2004 P /net/alp/dka0 on alp:/dka0 remote/read/write/nosuid/xattr/dev=47c0005 on Tue Dec   7 23:52:44 2004   G    A Tru64 system works fine as an NFS server to the Solaris system and F as an NFS client of the VMS systems, so neither is completely broken. > Not knowing much, I'd suspect that Sun's NFS implementation isF approximately standard, and thus that this problem is on the VMS side.      Tru64 behavior:  1 urt# date ; cd /net/alp/dka0/utility ; pwd ; date  Wed Dec  8 00:36:06 CST 2004 /net/alp/dka0/utility  Wed Dec  8 00:36:07 CST 2004      Solaris (mis)behavior:   + ung# date ; cd /net/alp/dka0/utility ; date  Wed Dec  8 00:30:36 CST 2004 Wed Dec  8 00:30:36 CST 2004  1 ung# date ; cd /net/alp/dka0/utility ; pwd ; date  Wed Dec  8 00:27:53 CST 2004 ^Cung# date  Wed Dec  8 00:28:30 CST 2004      but with a Tru64 server:   ) ung# date ; cd /net/urt/usr1 ; pwd ; date  Wed Dec  8 00:48:13 CST 2004
 /net/urt/usr1  Wed Dec  8 00:48:13 CST 2004  D    NFS mounts on the Solaris system are done by the automounter, all very defaulty:  & ung# grep automount /etc/nsswitch.conf automount:  files    ung# cat /etc/auto_master  # Master map for automounter #  +auto_master0 /net            -hosts          -nosuid,nobrowse) /home           auto_home       -nobrowse  /xfn            -xfn  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 10:40:42 GMT # From: "Phil" <dooleys@snowy.net.au> O Subject: Re: NFS problem, server = VMS-TCPIP, client = Solaris.  Mount, hang... < Message-ID: <KSAtd.64139$K7.3027@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  G <sms@antinode.org> wrote in message news:04120723415676@antinode.org... J >    Today's NFS problem follows.  Clever ideas and/or helpful suggestionsC > are welcome.  Does anyone actually use a Solaris system as an NFS J > client of a VMS-TCPIP system?  (Q: Why would anyone use a Solaris systemF > as an NFS client of a VMS-TCPIP system?  A: Because it feels so good > when you stop.)  >  >    Client: >  > ung# uname -a : > SunOS ung 5.9 Generic_112233-11 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-1 > 
 >    Servers:  > . > ALP $ tcpip show version  ! AlpSta 200 4/233A >   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 4 6 >   on a AlphaStation 200 4/233 running OpenVMS V7.3-1 > ) > ALP2 $ tcpip show version ! PWS 500a[u] = >   HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 4 = >   on a Digital Personal WorkStation  running OpenVMS V7.3-2  >  > H >    On the Solaris system, I can "cd" to one of the exported VMS disks,H > and OPCOM messages show the mount as successful, but any attempt to doJ > anything on the Solaris system ("pwd", "ls") hangs, for at least severalF > minutes, during which time the TCPIP SHOW NFS counters rise, and theB > TCPIP$NFS_1 process accumulates I/O and (lots of) CPU time.  TheJ > behavior is the same with either VMS server (except that the CPU hogging( > is more painful on the slower system). >  <snip>0 Does it hang for serveral minutes and then work,- or does it hang for several minutes and fail? = If the issue is performance there are various caching options 1 you can set using logical names and nfs sysconfig  Phil   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:30:43 -0600 (CST) From: sms@antinode.orgO Subject: Re: NFS problem, server = VMS-TCPIP, client = Solaris.  Mount, hang... ) Message-ID: <04120809304335@antinode.org>   # From: "Phil" <dooleys@snowy.net.au>   2 > Does it hang for serveral minutes and then work,/ > or does it hang for several minutes and fail? ? > If the issue is performance there are various caching options 3 > you can set using logical names and nfs sysconfig   C    Because it largely consumes the CPU, I've left it for a only few D minutes before whacking something.  This would be (at least) severalE hundreds of times as long as should be needed to work.  I'd call it a = total non-performance problem, as I've never seen it un-hang.   ! From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net   F > If these boxes are on the same LAN segment the advice I kept gettingC > from CSC was to use UDP instead of TCP for NFS communications (my I > particular Unix client was Debian Linux, but CSC claimed that this made ? > a significant difference, particularly for a NOVELL clients).   F    There's a switch involved, but they're pretty close to each other. ) Did your stuff work slowly or not at all?   G > Other advice on the client side (YMMV depending on the client) was to  > raise default RPC values:  > RPC timeout to 4 seconds > RPC retries to 20  > RPC outstanding packets to 4  F    It's tough to believe that there's anything wrong with the client. 5 (Well, with the client's NFS implementation, anyway.)   H    How many "readdir+" events should one expect per "pwd" request?  One? A few?  Thousands?  Unlimited?  G    Back when I was part of a paying customer, I touched UCX 1.something E long enough to be persuaded to choose Wollongong WIN/TCP instead.  It G still amazes me how lame/untested this stuff seems to be.  Inability to ? interoperate easily with what must be among the most common NFS F implementations on the planet, for version after version?  Yikes.  I'd be embarrassed.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2004 07:10:21 -0800 ! From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net N Subject: Re: NFS problem, server = VMS-TCPIP, client = Solaris. Mount, hang...B Message-ID: <1102518621.501689.20300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   > TCPIP> sho nfs /ver = v3 > 
 > Server rpc: > > tcp:       calls   badcalls   nullrecv     badlen    xdrcall creates > >             3133          0          0          0          0 8 > > udp:       calls   badcalls   nullrecv     badlen    xdrcall> >                4          0          0          0          0 > 
 > Server nfs: D >       calls   badcalls    badprog    badproc    badvers    badargsD >        3136          0          1          0          0          0 >  unprivport   weakauth >           0          0 >   D If these boxes are on the same LAN segment the advice I kept gettingA from CSC was to use UDP instead of TCP for NFS communications (my G particular Unix client was Debian Linux, but CSC claimed that this made = a significant difference, particularly for a NOVELL clients).   F Supposedly you can do this by using sysconfig to set tcp_threads to 0,@ but this depends on the NFS client being able to 'find' that TCP, communications are not available but UDP is.  E Other advice on the client side (YMMV depending on the client) was to  raise default RPC values:  RPC timeout to 4 seconds RPC retries to 20  RPC outstanding packets to 4   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:27:31 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> Subject: Re: OpenVMS Multimedia B Message-ID: <41b71d64$0$16035$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>  # kaminski@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de wrote:  > Hallo, > 5 > gibt es irgendwelche Multimedia-tools fuer OpenVMS?    doch!   0 _OpenVMS Multimedia Solutions - Video and Sound_   *OpenVMS Multimedia Services* : http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/mmov/index.html Multimedia - OpenVMS HELP ( http://zinser.no-ip.info/HELP/Multimedia  * *DECWindows ARCHIVE - Animation and Video*" http://decwarch.free.fr/video.html  & *DECWindows ARCHIVE - Audio and Sound*" http://decwarch.free.fr/audio.html  & Alpha Software Express - Audio Express. http://www.alphase.com/Audio/Announcement.html  , Compaq Multimedia Services for OpenVMS AlphaH http://www.sysworks.com.au/disk$axpdocdec022/progtool/mmserv22/runti.htm  + Converting a DECserver 200 to a MIDI-Server / http://www.vaxman.de/projects/midi/midi200.htmla  9 DECtalk - Fonix Corporation - DECtalk : Technical Manualsi1 http://www.fonix.com/products/dectalk/manuals.phps  / DECtalk - Index of /freeware/freeware40/dectalko: http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware40/dectalk/  / DECtalk - Index of /freeware/freeware50/dectalki: http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/dectalk/  1 DECtalk - OpenVMS RTL DECtalk (DTK$) Manual - PDF H http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/documentation/pdf/OVMS_RTL_DTK.pdf  # Flash Plugin for Mozilla on OpenVMSi# http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/extra/F   GIFMerge - Home Page http://the-labs.com/GIFMerge/,  E GIFMerge - GIF Animation tool - Phil Ottewell's Free Software for VMSh0 http://www.yrl.co.uk/~phil/pds/pds.html#GIFMerge  3 GIFMERGE - GIF Anim creator - The DECWindows Archive' http://decwarch.free.fr/video.html#MISC    HIFI STEREO for OpenVMSs, http://membres.lycos.fr/pmoreau/audiogb.html  , Jazz Midi Sequencer - The DECWindows ARCHIVE' http://decwarch.free.fr/audio.html#JAZZ    Lame 3_93_1 for VMSe# http://decwarch.free.fr/decwindows/   $ madplay and MAD - MPEG Audio Decoder7 http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/software2.html#MADo  / MG_PLAY -  An MPEG (movie) player for OpenVMS -  Hunter Goatley's FILESERVi> http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?MPEG_PLAY  $ MPEG_PLAY - MPJZ's hyper VMS SW-list3 http://zinser.no-ip.info/www/vms/sw/mpeg_play.htmlxB  3 MPG123 - Plays MP3 files from local files or URLs -u OpenVMS Freeware CD v65 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/mpg123/e   MPG123 - Marl Berryman0 http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/submissions/mpg123/  A MPlayer for OpenVMS (a porting project in progress for OpenVMS) -s pre-release SW without support# http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/extra/c MPlayer - freshmeat.netr& http://freshmeat.net/projects/mplayer/ MPlayer - The Movie Player2 http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/news.html  9 ROSEGARDEN - Musical Notation Editor and Midi Sequencer -l OpenVMS Freeware CD v49 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/rosegarden/n  @ SoX - convert various formats of audio files in to other formats7 http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/software2.html#SoX   5 Timidity MIDI and MOD Player - The DECWindows Archivec' http://decwarch.free.fr/audio.html#TIMI-   Timidity - SAIC-# http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/extra/:  $ VAXcamera Software for VMS SPD - PDF2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP3343/SP3343PF.PDF  8 VCS Aktiengesselschaft - dira! - digital radio solutions) http://media.vcs.de/products/content/show   # VRweb - vrml viewer - TU Delft HREM 9 http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/software2.html#VRwebe   XAnim - Home Pagec' http://smurfland.cit.buffalo.edu/xanim/r   XAnim - U of Texas, http://www.utexas.edu/cc/vms/apps/xanim.html  1 XFORGE Sound File Editor - The DECWindows Archive ) http://decwarch.free.fr/audio.html#XFORGEo  & *XMCD - Motif CD Player - ibiblio.org*! http://www.ibiblio.org/tkan/xmcd/t  / *XMCD audio CD Player - The DECWindows Archive*f' http://decwarch.free.fr/audio.html#XMCD   : XMORPH - Morphing under X Windows - The DECWindows Archive) http://decwarch.free.fr/video.html#XMORPHn    H > Im Moment verwende ich mpg123 zum abspielen von Musik, aber das FehlenH > von den noetigsten Funktionen (Vorlauf/Rcklauf, etc.) macht das ganzeC > ziemlich.... unakzeptabel. Ich habe schon einige mpg123-Frontends D > probiert, die scheiterten aber alle an der miserablen curses, bzw.+ > fehlenden ncurses implementation von VMS. = > (auch dieses emacs-frontend scheint nicht zu funktionieren)d  0 Emacs - Older Emacs Versions - CTRL-C User GroupK http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/ftp/gnu-vms/html/software/released2/old_emacs.html   0 Emacs 19.16 for VMS - MIT Project Athena Archive> http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/project/sipb-athena/src/emacs/vms/   Emacs 19.28 - CTRL-C User GroupuZ http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/ftp/gnu-vms/html/software/released1/emacs.html#get_emacs_1928_kit  # Emacs 21.2 - OpenVMS Freeware v6 CD 9 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/emacs-21_2/.  0 Emacs Language Sensitive Editor (ELSE) templates( http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dharter46/  # Emacs Language Sensitive Extensionst# http://www.zipworld.com.au/~peterm/    EmacsWiki: EmacsOnVMSp0 http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/EmacsOnVMS   GNU Emacs 19.28 - LevitteI6 http://www.lp.se/gnu-vms/software/released1/emacs.html  6 GNU Emacs for VMS - 1992 Sep 19 16:15:54 - FTP Archive3 http://www.klid.dk/ftp/gnu/gnu-utils/gnu/emacs/vms/C  < info2hlp - Convert EMACS info file to VMS help file format - Martin Vorlnder0 http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/info2hlp  & Emacs/W3 4.0 - Emacs-based Web Browser# http://www.cs.indiana.edu/elisp/w3/c   Multilingualization  http://tsukuba.m17n.org/   Emacs Resources at Fermi Lab( http://www.fnal.gov/docs/products/emacs/   > I > GTK-Frontends habe ich noch nicht probiert. Wie hoch ist ueberhaupt der-' > Aufwand GTK-Programme zu uebersetzen?-1 Ich habe damit leider kein Erfahrung. Trotzdem...-   GTK+ for OpenVMS7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/gtk.html   " GTK+ v1.2.8 For OpenVMS Patch Kit.= http://www.ourservers.net/openvms_ports/gtk/gtk_contents.html-  # glib/gtk+ and glib2 - TU Delft HREM47 http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/software2.html#gtka   gtk2+ Library - TU Delft HREMw8 http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/software2.html#GTK2   Cheers!e   Keith Cayemberg ) IBM Business Services - Hannover, Germany>   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:28:57 -0500< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: OpenVMS Multimediaf, Message-ID: <31ooeaF3dvufnU1@individual.net>   Keith Cayemberg wrote: (Lots of good stuff.)g   Keith,  C One of these days you should just publish a link to your links, you F probably have things there that we will never even think of asking for :)   -- a Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.a Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXt www.weaverconsulting.cao   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2004 07:42:58 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: OT: Chinese now 3rd biggest PC manufacturersj3 Message-ID: <CnkifaJkTjYK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   7    Kudos to IBM for selling of the non-profit business.6  9    Someone inside HP please insert between Carly's ears: 2%       The handwriting is on the wall.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:17:07 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>,9 Subject: Re: OT: Chinese now 3rd biggest PC manufacturers , Message-ID: <eY2dnWTitN9_kSrcRVn-2Q@igs.net>   Bob Koehler wrote:9 >    Kudos to IBM for selling of the non-profit business.2 > : >    Someone inside HP please insert between Carly's ears:' >       The handwriting is on the wall.<    L I still like the military tradition of placing a loaded .45 on the table andE advising the recipient, "For the good of the service".....or company.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:04:22 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>e9 Subject: Re: OT: Chinese now 3rd biggest PC manufacturerst, Message-ID: <41B73415.44BEBA3E@teksavvy.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > 9 >    Kudos to IBM for selling of the non-profit business.T > : >    Someone inside HP please insert between Carly's ears:' >       The handwriting is on the wall.   M And even more kudos for IBM doing it first. Right now, if HP were to announceiH the same, it would be a "me too" and people would see HP as copying IBM.H Carly's ego will prevent her from ditching the PC business anytime soon.  L The good side of this is that perhaps she will be motivated to prove that HPN can succeed where IBM failed and work hard to make her PC business profitable.L Maybe she'll hire someone to manage the company while she jets around making> presentations with fancy words that mean nothing in real life.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2004 17:59:31 GMT-7 From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279))OD Subject: Re: Reinstalling DECwindows after losing it during upgrade?$ Message-ID: <2004Dec8.175931@hujicc>   Thanks to all who responded!  L I managed only today to find some old Alpha to test this issue on it (beforeN disturbing the users again...). I did VMS re-install (selected option 1, askedL to install everything) and then installed the new Motif. This solved all the	 problems.   7                                 Thanks again! __Yehavi:x   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:43:36 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> ( Subject: Re: Suggestion for DECW TPU/EVE< Message-ID: <YaGtd.3045$nE7.1298@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message I& news:41B67FF2.EF223B31@teksavvy.com...L >I just discovered the ability to just highlight a file name on a decterm orJ > fileview, and in an existing TPU windows, use the "open selected" and it+ > quickly switches to the file yo selected.. > I > Pretty neat. (You don't neet to actually use the "COPY" menu functions.  > K > However, what would be even neater is to have a little box on the window n > wherelK > you could drag a filename to it and TPU would then automatically open it.e+ > Would make it faster and less cumbersome.e  C I wrote a utility that does something like that.  It's basically a  M replacement for the EDIT/TPU (or LSEDIT) command except, instead of starting -J an editor, it finds an editor that's using your X display and tells it to M open the file you specified.  The editor will deiconify or pop to the top of 4J the window stack and read the file into a new buffer.  I also tweaked the G editors close command so that, when you save the last file, instead of e exiting, it shrinks to an icon.0  5 It's MUCH faster than waiting for an editor to start.o  L I've been meaning to post the code (or send it to Hoff) but, it just hasn't ? made it to the top of my todo list.  I'll try to get that done.   i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:46:56 -0500s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>o( Subject: Re: Suggestion for DECW TPU/EVE, Message-ID: <41B73E0D.39556815@teksavvy.com>   John Vottero wrote: D > I wrote a utility that does something like that.  It's basically aN > replacement for the EDIT/TPU (or LSEDIT) command except, instead of startingK > an editor, it finds an editor that's using your X display and tells it tow > open the file you specified.  M Ok, you've got my attention. How does one utility "tell" an X program to open  a specific file ?y7 (or to de-iconify another application for that matter).t  I However, this still isn't as cool as being able to drag a filename to TPUiN because your utility sicne you'd still needto type a command and cut/paste the7 filename, instead of just dragging the filename to TPU.l   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2004 09:32:32 -0800e From: jordan@ccs4vms.com( Subject: Re: TK50 cartridge resurrectionC Message-ID: <1102527151.975494.186490@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>l  E Thanks for responding.  We've got three TZ30s and a few others on theeD shelf.  I doubt sending them out will be of any use,  Glenn actuallyD emailed with a suggestion other than VMSTPCE which I may try if timeC allows; I'd forgotten about the utility and will take a look at it.  Rich   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Dec 2004 09:40:47 -0800A From: jordan@ccs4vms.com( Subject: Re: TK50 cartridge resurrectionB Message-ID: <1102527647.050714.61550@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   John, B thanks for replying.  The tapes are definitely not in TK70 format;G some were created here way back when on TK50 and/or TZ30 drives, otherslE were vendor distributions sent to us that we used, and we never had a0E TK70 drive here.  A few are older VMS distributions that I was hopingX' to save; sadly that looks unlikely now.h  ? The tapes are all write protected when we try to read them.  NonG attempt is being made to write them, though when we need to dump them IcC plan on trying to initialize/erase them then physically crunch themh just to follow procedure.-  ; We'll see what happens with the VMSTPCE utility or a customhF program, but if the control track is whats messed up, I guess we won'tG be recovering much.  Hopefully the racks of old magtapes will go easierl in our TSZ05 drive.   	 Thanks...t Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:38:21 +0100l' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>aY Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? - Bayesian Filter.* Message-ID: <cp6ehv$mr5$1@news.tudelft.nl>  ? > On 2004-12-07, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:o > H >>My friend also said that there was no reliable way to backup a running >  > system > J >>because some files would be missing (anything which is locked). And withE >>floppies a thing of the past, the "standlone boot" is not so simple  > 
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