1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 09 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 683       Contents:1 Re: FTP program connect to VMS client under linux 1 Re: FTP program connect to VMS client under linux  Galaxy and ES45 
 Hp Divorce Re: Hp Divorce RE: Hp Divorce Re: Hp Divorce? Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS ? RE: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS F IQR on Itanium (Public Domain BEA Message Queue Equivalent) Relase 3.10 Re: It's crunch time ... to survive HP must  ...0 Re: It's crunch time ... to survive HP must  ...( Re: J F on...what else...Americans again Logical Translation , Modbus TCP/IP API for OpenVMS 8.2 on Itanium, NFS mount of ODS-5 vs traditional parse typeF Re: NFS problem, server = VMS-TCPIP, client = Solaris.  Mount, hang...F Re: NFS problem, server = VMS-TCPIP, client = Solaris.  Mount, hang... Re: OpenVMS Multimedia0 Re: OT: Chinese now 3rd biggest PC manufacturers0 Re: OT: Chinese now 3rd biggest PC manufacturers0 Re: OT: Chinese now 3rd biggest PC manufacturers0 Re: OT: Chinese now 3rd biggest PC manufacturers PLUG: txt2pdf 7.6 " Re: Restricted account behavior... Simple EDT or TPU init file  Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file / VMS 8.next wish list (was: Logical Translation) : Re: VT1xx flavors (was Re: DEC retail stores in the 1980s)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2004 08:18:10 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org: Subject: Re: FTP program connect to VMS client under linux3 Message-ID: <8KqRo9HmCvPl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <41B76046.D5E0485D@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:% > set type image  -> binary transfers " > set type ascii -> text transfers  6 Neither of those will work on any standard ftp client.   ftp> set type i  ?Invalid command ftp> set type a  ?Invalid command ftp> set type image  ?Invalid command ftp> set type ascii  ?Invalid command ftp> binary  200 Type I ok.
 ftp> ascii 200 Type A ok. ftp> type image  200 Type I ok. ftp> type ascii  200 Type A ok.  	 ftp> help + Commands may be abbreviated.  Commands are:   D !               cr              macdef          proxy           sendF $               delete          mdelete         sendport        statusF account         debug           mdir            put             structG append          dir             mget            pwd             sunique E >>>ascii<<<     disconnect      mkdir           quit            tenex E bell            form            mls             quote           trace J >>>binary<<<    get             mode            recv            >>>type<<<D bye             glob            mput            remotehelp      userG case            hash            nmap            rename          verbose A cd              help            ntrans          reset           ? 5 cdup            lcd             open            rmdir 7 close           ls              prompt          runique   E The ones that I use are "binary" and "ascii".  Easy to remember, easy  to use.   @ Note that these are _client_ commands.  They are not the same as _server_ commands.  < User keys in "binary".  Client sends "TYPE I" to the server.; User keys in "ascii".  Client sends "TYPE A" to the server.   B User keys in "ls".  Client negotiates port numbers, active/passiveD mode and transfer format, establishes (or accepts) connection, sends@ "NLST" to server, accepts directory listing over data connection and closes data connection.   E If you want to send a server command, use the client "quote" command. B This bypasses the smarts of the client and allows the user to sendA uninterpreted commands directly to the server.  This usally falls A somewhere between quite dangerous and incredibly useful depending D on exactly what you're trying to do and how comfortable you are with" the behavior of client and server.   ftp> quote pasv 8 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (149,32,32,27,18,12)  D   which is pointless since the client doesn't know that passive modeB   is being enabled.  And now we have a dangling TCP port allocated   that nobody is using  
 ftp> ascii
 200 Type A OK  ftp> quote type I 
 200 Type I OK   D   Now the server is doing binary transfers.  And the client is doingC   ASCII transfers.  And it's barely possible that this will help us $   with some arcane conversion issue.  & ftp> quote site spawn show users /full; 200-      OpenVMS User Processes at  9-DEC-2004 09:01:54.64 = 200-    Total number of users = 32,  number of processes = 41  200-/ 200- Username  Process Name    PID     Terminal  ... 0 200  VAXS04    VAXS04        0002F605  OPA0:         which is darned handy    	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2004 12:00:03 -0600 B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley): Subject: Re: FTP program connect to VMS client under linux3 Message-ID: <qt+npVIKH00u@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <8KqRo9HmCvPl@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:^ > In article <41B76046.D5E0485D@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:& >> set type image  -> binary transfers# >> set type ascii -> text transfers  > 8 > Neither of those will work on any standard ftp client. >   4 They work just fine with the TCPIP 5.3 FTP client...   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       7 Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2004 05:27:44 -0800 + From: lex.beekman@isc-west.nl (Lex Beekman)  Subject: Galaxy and ES45= Message-ID: <3c26958b.0412090527.399784a7@posting.google.com>   D According to the specs. and other documents it is still not possibleC to work with Galaxy on an ES45 Alphaserver. Are there any plans for ? correcting this, because Galaxy is working on an ES40 and ES47.    Thanks.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:54:03 -0600* From: Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com> Subject: Hp Divorce Q Message-ID: <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F96E@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>   9 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/08/hp_talks_divorce/   E "HP's board have discussed splitting up the company on three separate G occasions, Carly Fiorina, CEO, revealed yesterday. She told a meeting =  of> financial analysts: "The board looked at this analytically andF dispassionately and in detail three separate times...and each time theA board...came to the same, unanimous conclusion," Reuters reports.   D Fiorina made the disclosure in response to a question from Merrill = Lynch H analyst Steven Milunovich who has repeatedly called for the firm to be = split F up. HP's printer business deliver the lion's share of group profits. = Plagued F by uneven recent financial performance HP has been under pressure fromE investors for some time. Some observers also believe separating its =  consumer3 and business divisions would improve profitability.   F Fiorina warned that such a process would incur "real costs" and take = years D to achieve. She pointed out that HP's spin-off of Agilent in 1999, = which = raised $2bn was only finally completed three months ago. =AE"     A CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all H attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom = it is A addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be =  distributed,C copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be = 
 subject toH intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed = and G are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please E notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and =  thenB immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, = without , copying, distributing or disclosing same.=20   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2004 09:35:01 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Hp Divorce 3 Message-ID: <JR6GhHLn5f26@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ~ In article <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F96E@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>, Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com> writes:  C > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all J > attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom = > it is C > addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be =  > distributed,E > copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be =  > subject toJ > intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed = > and  > are not waived.   G It seems to me that all such notices should include an address to which 3 we can report violations of the confidentiality :-)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:22:01 -0600* From: Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com> Subject: RE: Hp Divorce Q Message-ID: <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F970@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>   
 > In article  @ > <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F96E@EMAILSERVER2.nemscho7 > ff.com>, Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com> writes:  > E > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all 9 > > attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the   > person(s) to whom = 	 > > it is E > > addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be =  > > distributed,G > > copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be =  > > subject to9 > > intellectual property rights and all such rights are   > expressly claimed =  > > and  > > are not waived.  > 9 > It seems to me that all such notices should include an   > address to which5 > we can report violations of the confidentiality :-)   0 Ill make sure to blackhole that email address =)    A CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all L attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it isL addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed,L copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject toJ intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed andG are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please H notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and thenH immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without* copying, distributing or disclosing same.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2004 12:02:18 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) Subject: Re: Hp Divorce 3 Message-ID: <m6vI7J38cU2T@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ~ In article <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F96E@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>, Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com> writes:; > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/08/hp_talks_divorce/  > G > "HP's board have discussed splitting up the company on three separate I > occasions, Carly Fiorina, CEO, revealed yesterday. She told a meeting =  > of@ > financial analysts: "The board looked at this analytically andH > dispassionately and in detail three separate times...and each time theC > board...came to the same, unanimous conclusion," Reuters reports.  > F > Fiorina made the disclosure in response to a question from Merrill = > Lynch J > analyst Steven Milunovich who has repeatedly called for the firm to be = > split H > up. HP's printer business deliver the lion's share of group profits. =	 > Plagued H > by uneven recent financial performance HP has been under pressure fromG > investors for some time. Some observers also believe separating its = 
 > consumer5 > and business divisions would improve profitability.   " Hmmm, how about a three way split:  # A printer company to be called H-P.   ! A PC company to be called Compaq.   " A server company to be called DEC.  # Set the Wayback machine for 1990...   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  C         We need to ensure that actions by our government uphold the F         principles of a democratic society, accountable government andG         international law, and that all decisions are taken in a manner )         consistent with the Constitution.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:22:27 GMT ( From: Joe Matuscak <matuscak@rohrer.com>H Subject: Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS? Message-ID: <MPG.1c22388648371797989683@news-server.neo.rr.com>   D In article <1102364999.382121.223150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,  bob@instantwhip.com says... G > no, it is accurate, because linux is trying to reinvent the wheel ... D > It will never be what VMS is, no matter how many patched up piecesH > of code they add to it ... as for software, VMS has many solutions ... > C > You want DNS and emai?  Try OpenVMS TCPware PMDF Sophos antivirus B > and Precisemail anti spam software ... no other vendors solution@ > can match it, and it is completely virus proof and UNHACKABLE!  D The point is that with the Linux I use (Red Hat in the past and now H Fedora) has had essentially 100% uptime for those functions. Thats over F the course of *years*. Our main email server processes a few thousand A emails a day, is the main internal DNS server and does some file  E sharing. Its on a Compaq 450Mhz PIII server. The only times its been  G down is for upgrades and as I recall one hardware problem. Thats since  
 1999 or so.     I Yes, there have been security fixes to sendmail and bind over that time.  B The fixes were released in a timely way, and got installed by the . automated update tools (up2date and now yum).   E Im not sure that there is much room for improvement in availability.  I Granted, there could be less security bugs, but overall, I dont think it  H would a night and day difference.  Since RedHat released the Enterprise F versions, I've moved to Fedora. My out of pocket for that is $0, I do I have a commercial anti-virus scanner.  What does TCPware and Precisemail   cost?        --   Joe Matuscak Rohrer Corporation 717 Seville Road Wadsworth, OH 44281    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:49:15 -0600* From: Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com>H Subject: RE: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMSQ Message-ID: <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F96F@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>   F > In article <1102364999.382121.223150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,  > bob@instantwhip.com says... @ > > no, it is accurate, because linux is trying to reinvent the  > wheel ...    Reinventing the wheel for free.   F > > It will never be what VMS is, no matter how many patched up pieces= > > of code they add to it ... as for software, VMS has many   > solutions ...  > > E > > You want DNS and emai?  Try OpenVMS TCPware PMDF Sophos antivirus D > > and Precisemail anti spam software ... no other vendors solutionB > > can match it, and it is completely virus proof and UNHACKABLE!  D Nothing is unhackable.  I run OpenBSD for gateways and dns, and they) do a very good job keeping the OS secure.    > F > The point is that with the Linux I use (Red Hat in the past and now ? > Fedora) has had essentially 100% uptime for those functions.  
 > Thats over  H > the course of *years*. Our main email server processes a few thousand C > emails a day, is the main internal DNS server and does some file  G > sharing. Its on a Compaq 450Mhz PIII server. The only times its been  = > down is for upgrades and as I recall one hardware problem.   > Thats since 
 > 1999 or so.   A We have a FreeBSD system that besides standard OS reboots for the A occasional patch, doesn't get turned off ever.  Runs great, never  has issues.     > @ > Yes, there have been security fixes to sendmail and bind over 
 > that time.  D > The fixes were released in a timely way, and got installed by the 0 > automated update tools (up2date and now yum).  > G > Im not sure that there is much room for improvement in availability.  = > Granted, there could be less security bugs, but overall, I   > dont think it ? > would a night and day difference.  Since RedHat released the  
 > Enterprise  H > versions, I've moved to Fedora. My out of pocket for that is $0, I do ? > have a commercial anti-virus scanner.  What does TCPware and   > Precisemail 
 > cost?     G When it comes down to it, its all about cost.  So what if you can do it H better if it cost me everything I have to set it up.  A little "better"  is not worth giving up free.    A CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all L attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it isL addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed,L copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject toJ intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed andG are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please H notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and thenH immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without* copying, distributing or disclosing same.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:24:58 -0600' From: "Earl Lakia" <elakia@hotmail.com> O Subject: IQR on Itanium (Public Domain BEA Message Queue Equivalent) Relase 3.1 1 Message-ID: <M4ydnbSbl-nX8yXcRVn-oA@netnitco.net>   K IPACT recently migrated the IQR (Queue and Routing software for OpenVMS) to L OpenVMS 8.2 running Itanium.  This is a public domain product similar to DECJ MessageQ (Now BEA MessageQ).   Those interested should contact me directlyE for a distribution/development saveset.  My email (remove all percent " signs):  L%A%K%I%A@%I%PACT.COM.  I  F won't be able to release kits until January as I migrated this product( during Developers Forum and I don't have  H my Itanium yet.  Also new release for Alpha as result of bug fixes found during port.      4 You can also read documentation using following URL:% http://www.ipact.com/PDF_Docs/iqr.pdf            -earl    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2004 07:38:12 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: It's crunch time ... to survive HP must  ... 3 Message-ID: <m0fZefL6673+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <41B77A3A.DDCB1E95@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Hoff Hoffman wrote: = >>   For details, here is the current license policy listing:  >>  Q >>   http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/download/policy1.pdf  > 9 > Unfortunatly, there is no VAX-VMS to Alpha-VMS program.   9    It might not be on that page, but it does still exist.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 06:01:35 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 9 Subject: Re: It's crunch time ... to survive HP must  ... ( Message-ID: <opsiqukxxpzgicya@hyrrokkin>  + On 9 Dec 2004 07:38:12 -0600, Bob Koehler   0 <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:  9 > In article <41B77A3A.DDCB1E95@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei   ( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >> Hoff Hoffman wrote:> >>>   For details, here is the current license policy listing: >>> R >>>   http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/download/policy1.pdf >>: >> Unfortunatly, there is no VAX-VMS to Alpha-VMS program. > ; >    It might not be on that page, but it does still exist.  >   G Given the speed of Opteron's and CHARON-VAX 6630 emulation, maybe there - should be a Alpha to VAX migration policy :-)    --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu,  9 Dec 2004 19:30:04 +0100 (CET) % From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> 1 Subject: Re: J F on...what else...Americans again 8 Message-ID: <94b430a01b9aa336ada34d3c85f8fa26@dizum.com>  ) JF Mezei <jfmezei@vaxination.ca> trolled:   + >re: stories of strip searches in airports.  > M >Look, you guys re-elected the very government that instituted those measures O >in the first place. You have no right to complain about the measures americans E >requested. After all, you are scared shit of some terrorist and have O >repeatedly said on US TV that you are willing to undergo whatever measures ans J >searching is necessary to catch the terrorists. Your government is merely$ >doing what you are asking it to do.  B For someone who hates the US so much, you sure spend an inordinateC amount of time watching US television.  And reading US papers.  And E talking about the US.  And obsessing about the US.  And ranting about - the US.  And trolling about the US on usenet.   ) Have you considered electroshock therapy?   > It's said to be most effective in extreme cases such as yours.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2004 04:08:59 -0800 # From: "Shankar" <passhan@gmail.com>  Subject: Logical TranslationC Message-ID: <1102594139.011957.265210@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Hi, > Is there a way to specify a wildcard for either the SYS$TRNLNME system service or the "getenv()" C RTL, which will give me the set of B all logicals and their equivalent names. I need this for one of my< applications which will dump these contents into a log file.  F I need to do this on C and hence any kernel hacks, macro code and user0 created system services are out of the question.# Thanks in advance for all the help.    Regards, Shankar    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:31:17 -0600' From: "Earl Lakia" <elakia@hotmail.com> 5 Subject: Modbus TCP/IP API for OpenVMS 8.2 on Itanium 1 Message-ID: <xqqdnY4e_Ypb8iXcRVn-oQ@netnitco.net>   L IPACT recently migrated the Modbus over TCP/IP API library to OpenVMS 8.2 onL Itanium at the HP Developers Forum.  This is library provides easy access toE Modicon devices (PLC, Temperature Devices, etc.) and a virtual PLC on K OpenVMS that can be used to communicate with many HMI products that support I this protocol (e.g., iFix, Simplicity, inTouch, etc.).  Beta releases are ( also available for Linux on non-Itanium.      G http://www.ipact.com/Products/Modicon/TCP%20Communication%20Library.htm           J Those interested should contact me directly for a distribution/development- saveset. My email (remove all percent signs):    L%A%K%I%A@%I%PACT.COM.   -earl    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2004 08:59:50 -0800 5 From: "Sylvain F.DUBOIS" <sylvain_dubois_ca@yahoo.ca> 5 Subject: NFS mount of ODS-5 vs traditional parse type C Message-ID: <1102611590.231012.244740@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Hello,    E I would like to know if someone of you found a workaround about a NFS @ Client "feature" not supported by HP OpenVMS by all TCP/IP (UCX)	 versions.      My problem is:  D We have two identical Alpha. One have ODS-5 disks which are exportedE throught NFS. Files are accessed in a traditional parse type (doesn't C make any difference between lower and upper cases) in order to keep F compatibility with our softwares. Everything is fine excepted with theC NFS client which is also a VMS box. The NFS client can handle lower 0 cases only if we are in Extended parse mode (SETF PROCESS/PARSE=EXTENDED). HP told us they don't support the traditionalG parse type on NFS with ODS-5 disks. They say we must use ODS-2 disks or : ODS-5 with extended parse type when used with NFS clients.    % Our SYSTEM, for both Alpha DS20-E is:  OpenVMS 7.3-1, TCPIP 5.3ECO4     Hints requested:* - Does one of you have found a workaround?B - Do you use something like a detached process to rename lowercase files to uppercase?     
 Thank you. Regards      Sylvain    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:06:36 -0500 4 From: David R. Beatty <QWDavidER.TYBeattyUI@sas.com>O Subject: Re: NFS problem, server = VMS-TCPIP, client = Solaris.  Mount, hang... 8 Message-ID: <i1qgr0la1537pclfe99rgv84n63psrb46f@4ax.com>  @ On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:30:43 -0600 (CST), sms@antinode.org wrote:  $ >From: "Phil" <dooleys@snowy.net.au> > 3 >> Does it hang for serveral minutes and then work, 0 >> or does it hang for several minutes and fail?@ >> If the issue is performance there are various caching options4 >> you can set using logical names and nfs sysconfig > D >   Because it largely consumes the CPU, I've left it for a only fewE >minutes before whacking something.  This would be (at least) several F >hundreds of times as long as should be needed to work.  I'd call it a> >total non-performance problem, as I've never seen it un-hang. > " >From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net > G >> If these boxes are on the same LAN segment the advice I kept getting D >> from CSC was to use UDP instead of TCP for NFS communications (myJ >> particular Unix client was Debian Linux, but CSC claimed that this made@ >> a significant difference, particularly for a NOVELL clients). > G >   There's a switch involved, but they're pretty close to each other.  * >Did your stuff work slowly or not at all? > H >> Other advice on the client side (YMMV depending on the client) was to >> raise default RPC values: >> RPC timeout to 4 seconds  >> RPC retries to 20 >> RPC outstanding packets to 4  > G >   It's tough to believe that there's anything wrong with the client.  6 >(Well, with the client's NFS implementation, anyway.) > I >   How many "readdir+" events should one expect per "pwd" request?  One?  >A few?  Thousands?  Unlimited?  > H >   Back when I was part of a paying customer, I touched UCX 1.somethingF >long enough to be persuaded to choose Wollongong WIN/TCP instead.  ItH >still amazes me how lame/untested this stuff seems to be.  Inability to@ >interoperate easily with what must be among the most common NFSG >implementations on the planet, for version after version?  Yikes.  I'd  >be embarrassed. > I >------------------------------------------------------------------------  > 5 >   Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818 4 >   382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org >   Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547  @     I found a thread on the ITRC site that addresses this issue:  r http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?admit=716493758+1102602069617+28353475&threadId=705820  ? I'm seeing the same issue from Solaris 9 to VMS servers running ? TCP/IP V5.3 ECO 4 and TCP/IP V5.4 ECO 4.  I only see this issue @ if I perform a wild card search on the root directory of the NFSB mount, I get expected results on sub-directories.  If you read the* thread, a sysconfig setting is recommended; (ovms_xqp_plus_enabled=7), but that doesn't seem to address 
 the issue.  C     I currently do not have typeless_directories enabled, I'm going + to try to enable that and see what happens.   ?     One workaround is to use -o vers=2 on the Solaris 9 client.    David Beatty SAS Institute, Inc.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:24:33 -0500 4 From: David R. Beatty <QWDavidER.TYBeattyUI@sas.com>O Subject: Re: NFS problem, server = VMS-TCPIP, client = Solaris.  Mount, hang... 8 Message-ID: <8frgr0pos7vsvtrsqlathnb74qmqa2bl8b@4ax.com>  3 On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:06:36 -0500, David R. Beatty % <QWDavidER.TYBeattyUI@sas.com> wrote:   A >On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:30:43 -0600 (CST), sms@antinode.org wrote:  > % >>From: "Phil" <dooleys@snowy.net.au>  >>4 >>> Does it hang for serveral minutes and then work,1 >>> or does it hang for several minutes and fail? A >>> If the issue is performance there are various caching options 5 >>> you can set using logical names and nfs sysconfig  >>E >>   Because it largely consumes the CPU, I've left it for a only few F >>minutes before whacking something.  This would be (at least) severalG >>hundreds of times as long as should be needed to work.  I'd call it a ? >>total non-performance problem, as I've never seen it un-hang.  >># >>From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net  >>H >>> If these boxes are on the same LAN segment the advice I kept gettingE >>> from CSC was to use UDP instead of TCP for NFS communications (my K >>> particular Unix client was Debian Linux, but CSC claimed that this made A >>> a significant difference, particularly for a NOVELL clients).  >>H >>   There's a switch involved, but they're pretty close to each other. + >>Did your stuff work slowly or not at all?  >>I >>> Other advice on the client side (YMMV depending on the client) was to  >>> raise default RPC values:  >>> RPC timeout to 4 seconds >>> RPC retries to 20   >>> RPC outstanding packets to 4 >>H >>   It's tough to believe that there's anything wrong with the client. 7 >>(Well, with the client's NFS implementation, anyway.)  >>J >>   How many "readdir+" events should one expect per "pwd" request?  One?  >>A few?  Thousands?  Unlimited? >>I >>   Back when I was part of a paying customer, I touched UCX 1.something G >>long enough to be persuaded to choose Wollongong WIN/TCP instead.  It I >>still amazes me how lame/untested this stuff seems to be.  Inability to A >>interoperate easily with what must be among the most common NFS H >>implementations on the planet, for version after version?  Yikes.  I'd >>be embarrassed.  >>J >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>6 >>   Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98185 >>   382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org  >>   Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547  > A >    I found a thread on the ITRC site that addresses this issue:  > s >http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?admit=716493758+1102602069617+28353475&threadId=705820  > @ >I'm seeing the same issue from Solaris 9 to VMS servers running@ >TCP/IP V5.3 ECO 4 and TCP/IP V5.4 ECO 4.  I only see this issueA >if I perform a wild card search on the root directory of the NFS C >mount, I get expected results on sub-directories.  If you read the + >thread, a sysconfig setting is recommended < >(ovms_xqp_plus_enabled=7), but that doesn't seem to address >the issue.  > D >    I currently do not have typeless_directories enabled, I'm going, >to try to enable that and see what happens. > @ >    One workaround is to use -o vers=2 on the Solaris 9 client. > 
 >David Beatty  >SAS Institute, Inc.  @     FYI, it's an issue with typeless_directories, but the client@ appears to hang and does not continue to issue readdir requests.   David    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2004 10:00:19 +0100 C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)  Subject: Re: OpenVMS Multimedia 2 Message-ID: <41b81423$1@merkur.rz.uni-konstanz.de>   Hallo,   noch etwas zur Hardware:  A man bekommt die frher mal sehr teuere AV321-PCI-Karte fr 25 US$  bei www.electronicsurplus.com.   Eberhard   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:30:13 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk9 Subject: Re: OT: Chinese now 3rd biggest PC manufacturers ) Message-ID: <cp9d05$fmp$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   a In article <E+mJSBwuJvhr@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: S >In article <z7GdndGumNqyVCrcRVn-sw@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > J >> Let's see Rob....over the period you cite, just how much profit on what >> total PC sales did HP make?   > 0 >	The last 6 quarters PSG has made $232 million. >  On what total revenue ?   K Ideally the PC division needs to be making a greater percentage profit than 2 can be made by just putting the money in the bank.K You can justify getting lower returns or even a loss for a short period if  I the company expects large future profits from that area - but that seems  	 unlikely. L You may be able to justify a slightly smaller profit percentage than puttingJ the money in the bank for strategic reasons - such as being a full serviceM provider. However if the difference is not extremely small it is difficult to L see the justification for not just providing that service by working closelyO with other companies which have that as their prime business and are capable of $ making a reasonable profit eg DELL.   
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University      2 >> Suggest you go through the HP quarterly reports >> before you answer.  >  >	Smarmy laddy aren't we?  >  >> Unfortunately HP  >  >			Rob  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 05:44:20 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 9 Subject: Re: OT: Chinese now 3rd biggest PC manufacturers ( Message-ID: <opsiqtr6b0zgicya@hyrrokkin>  J On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:30:13 +0000 (UTC), <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote:  7 > In article <E+mJSBwuJvhr@eisner.encompasserve.org>,  g/ > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:r> >> In article <z7GdndGumNqyVCrcRVn-sw@igs.net>, "John Smith"   >> <a@nonymous.com> writes:p >>K >>> Let's see Rob....over the period you cite, just how much profit on whata >>> total PC sales did HP make?e >>2 >> 	The last 6 quarters PSG has made $232 million. >> > On what total revenue ?u >qJ > Ideally the PC division needs to be making a greater percentage profit   > than4 > can be made by just putting the money in the bank.K > You can justify getting lower returns or even a loss for a short period    > ifJ > the company expects large future profits from that area - but that seems > unlikely.IH > You may be able to justify a slightly smaller profit percentage than  	 > puttingoF > the money in the bank for strategic reasons - such as being a full  	 > servicemD > provider. However if the difference is not extremely small it is   > difficult toH > see the justification for not just providing that service by working  	 > closelyxH > with other companies which have that as their prime business and are   > capable of% > making a reasonable profit eg DELL.   K It is not just interest rate, it is the margin of your toughest competitor,iH in this case Dell, with 8.8% operating margin.  HP's is just under 1%,   which-I is about a 4-fold improvement year over year.  If the business does not  u provide:K sales for other higher margin products, and it doesn't, it should be sold  n off.D To succor this unit is irresponsible and mismanagement of resources.   >j > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >r >  >e3 >>> Suggest you go through the HP quarterly reportsl >>> before you answer. >> >> 	Smarmy laddy aren't we?I >> >>> Unfortunately HP >>	 >> 			Robd >>       -- sC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:07:07 -0500g- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>A9 Subject: Re: OT: Chinese now 3rd biggest PC manufacturersa, Message-ID: <41B86A19.47148A0B@teksavvy.com>   Tom Linden wrote: H > in this case Dell, with 8.8% operating margin.  HP's is just under 1%,  K One must be carteful though. Shareholders measure return on investment, not  the ratio of profit/revenus.    N Lets say I made a deal with Lenovo to sell computers in canada. I'd use my allM mighty microvax II to run a web server to take orders. If, after all costs, I E ended up with a 1% margin on revenus, that would be pure profit and a J tremendous return on investment since I would have had to invest basically nothing to get that revenu.   I You have to look at how much HP invested in plants, machinery etc against > which you measure the profits to get the return on investment.  R This is in relation to "it would be better to just invest that money in the bank".  M What the 8% and 1% figures do show however is that Dell is far more efficientmA at building machines and delivering them to customers than HP is.y   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:42:30 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>k9 Subject: Re: OT: Chinese now 3rd biggest PC manufacturerss, Message-ID: <KOCdnWRr4v3oHSXcRVn-1g@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Tom Linden wrote:mE >> in this case Dell, with 8.8% operating margin.  HP's is just undert >> 1%, > = > One must be carteful though. Shareholders measure return onf > investment, not  > the ratio of profit/revenus. >tE > Lets say I made a deal with Lenovo to sell computers in canada. I'drG > use my all mighty microvax II to run a web server to take orders. If,lE > after all costs, I ended up with a 1% margin on revenus, that would  > be pure profit and aB > tremendous return on investment since I would have had to invest' > basically nothing to get that revenu.e >gC > You have to look at how much HP invested in plants, machinery etcs	 > againsti@ > which you measure the profits to get the return on investment. >aF > This is in relation to "it would be better to just invest that money > in the bank".t >qE > What the 8% and 1% figures do show however is that Dell is far moree > efficientcC > at building machines and delivering them to customers than HP is.s    H And Dell's advertising is about actual products people and companies can@ purchase and a number people can call immediately to spend theirK cash........not some airy fairy concepts of imagine or invent...or spacemen  ambling down the road.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2004 02:29:59 -08000 From: mail@sanface.com Subject: PLUG: txt2pdf 7.6C Message-ID: <1102588199.554214.164990@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>0  . We would like to announce txt2pdf 7.6 version.# http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.htmlRE txt2pdf is shareware; it is a very flexible and powerful Perl5 scriptHB that converts text files to PDF format files, so you can use it in> every operating systems supported by Perl5, including OpenVMS.( Remember to read "txt2pdf on OpenVMS" at# http://www.sanface.com/openvms.htmle; It's simple to design background like invoices, orders etc. ) Here nice examples made using txt2pdf PROw- http://www.sanface.com/pdf/Purchase_Order.pdfy) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/oldinvoice.pdfn$ http://www.sanface.com/pdf/hfmus.pdf) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/heraldbill.pdfF@ If you prefer we also distribute executables for Windows, Linux,G Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, and Mac OS X. Inside the Windows version is Visualr txt2pdf, a VB GUI.   What's new in this version9 Solved problems with Simplified Chinese and Korean fonts.a Minor bug corrected.  4 Read Independent Liquor Group PDF Invoice Project at' http://www.sanface.com/ilg-project.htmla   Test txt2pdf 7.6!r6 You can find it at http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2004 09:20:20 -0800-' From: "ClaudeVMS" <claudevms@attbi.com>3+ Subject: Re: Restricted account behavior....B Message-ID: <1102612820.021934.46490@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   Oh thank you!!!S  2 I forgot my DECnet Transparent I/O from years ago.3 I added a f$mode() .eqs. "NETWORK" then goto REMOTEs <snip>   REMOTE:  exit  = to my LOGIN.COM and bingo!!! It works. The customer is happy. A The codes been this way for years and now everything works great.d
 Thanks again,   	 ClaudeVMSa   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:51:48 GMTe. From: "Mike Buchanan" <News@InsightfulMES.com>$ Subject: Simple EDT or TPU init fileB Message-ID: <Ug0ud.6178$yr1.4279@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>  J I was hoping that someone could help me out with some simple editor setup.  J I have written a program that will generate a large text file that I want K the user to view.  This program is called from within another program that nL is used by operators in a factory.  I was thinking of spawning a subprocess K and use a text editor to view the file.  The users do not normally use any  B VMS editors, so without some key mapping this isn't a good option.  ? I would like the editor to have only the following keys mapped:    Up arrow    - move up one line" Down arrow    - move down one line Keypad 4    - page forward Keypad 6    - page backwardd Keypad 1    - quit  
 That's it.  M I was thinking that an EDT command file with lines might work.  I don't have i- any documentation other than the online HELP.t   Anyone know how to do this?T  5 Or maybe the EDT or TPU manual are on-line somewhere?o   Mike c   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2004 10:44:39 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init fileB Message-ID: <1102617879.848929.85450@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   Mike Buchanan wrote:E > I was hoping that someone could help me out with some simple editors setup. >rF > I have written a program that will generate a large text file that I wantG > the user to view.  This program is called from within another program: thatB > is used by operators in a factory.  I was thinking of spawning a
 subprocessD > and use a text editor to view the file.  The users do not normally use any D > VMS editors, so without some key mapping this isn't a good option. > A > I would like the editor to have only the following keys mapped:n >s  > Up arrow    - move up one line$ > Down arrow    - move down one line > Keypad 4    - page forward > Keypad 6    - page backwardo > Keypad 1    - quit >n > That's it. >sC > I was thinking that an EDT command file with lines might work.  Ia
 don't have/ > any documentation other than the online HELP.  >v > Anyone know how to do this?  >h7 > Or maybe the EDT or TPU manual are on-line somewhere?r >i > Mike  D I assume you don't want the users to be able to alter the text file,E not even in the editor's main buffer. I think this will go a long wayo to solving your problem:   $ EDIT/TPU/READ_ONLY file0  D assuming a vanilla VMS environment. The only thing left is to defineC the keys you want. Since the above command creates an "unmodifable" C buffer which is displayed on the terminal -- combined with the factFD that the user cannot create a new copy of the file -- all you should> only have to worry about is defining the keys you want and notB disabling the keys you don't want. Well, you might want to disableE control-Y interrupts. But I don't think you really need to explicitly.F disable all other keys. And if the operators are using a PC you'll endD up with the page up and page down keys working normally! On a VT the& Next and Prev keys will work normally.  E Of course if the file is REALLY HUGE there may be a delay in bringing G it up on the screen while TPU copies the entire file to virtual memory.a    E If you still need to disable all other keys it might be better to useeF EDT with a SET MODE CHANGE in the EDT initialization file. Maybe a TPUG wizard can suggest an easy way to disable all the keys -- I don't know.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2004 07:42:01 -0600.; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e8 Subject: VMS 8.next wish list (was: Logical Translation)3 Message-ID: <r1ruKqtk0w+g@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  i In article <1102594139.011957.265210@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Shankar" <passhan@gmail.com> writes:m > Hi,l@ > Is there a way to specify a wildcard for either the SYS$TRNLNMG > system service or the "getenv()" C RTL, which will give me the set of-D > all logicals and their equivalent names. I need this for one of my> > applications which will dump these contents into a log file.  F    No.  There is an unsupported hack somewhere which will do this, butB    the only supported wildcard listing of logical names is in DCL.      VMS 8.next wish list?   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2004 18:16:03 GMTH& From: Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu>C Subject: Re: VT1xx flavors (was Re: DEC retail stores in the 1980s)e7 Message-ID: <slrncrh5j3.mvf.fdc@sesame.cc.columbia.edu>l  4 On 2004-11-30, Lee Roth <leeroth@my-deja.com> wrote:G : An interesting note about the VT102 from that page: "VT102 User GuiderF : (EK-VT102-UG). Most terminal emulators that claim to emulate a VT100A : actually emulate its slightly more capable brother, the VT102."  :yF Mainly character insert/delete, so that when editing in EMACS or Vi orD EVE or whatever, the entire line did not have to be repainted if you@ inserted or deleted a character, which was painful at 1200 baud.   - FrankH   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.683 ************************