1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 10 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 685       Contents: Re: Documentation for DCL  Re: Documentation for DCL  Re: DS10L for 250 Bucks! Re: Galaxy and ES45 ? Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS  Re: Is Sue OK ? ( Re: J F on...what else...Americans again( RE: J F on...what else...Americans again( Re: J F on...what else...Americans again( Re: J F on...what else...Americans again link Looking for driver for DRV11-J" Re: Looking for driver for DRV11-J" Re: Looking for driver for DRV11-J+ Re: Macintosh Installers (was: Java on VMS) ) Need DECnet users for trade press article - Re: Need DECnet users for trade press article - Re: Need DECnet users for trade press article  Re: News Server 0 Re: NFS mount of ODS-5 vs traditional parse type$ Re: PC/PCI DRQ3B card for Windows XP$ Re: PC/PCI DRQ3B card for Windows XP$ Re: PC/PCI DRQ3B card for Windows XP% Re: pscp, psftp and openvms 7.3-2 SSH % Re: pscp, psftp and openvms 7.3-2 SSH % Re: pscp, psftp and openvms 7.3-2 SSH  Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  Upgrade from VMS 7.3 to 7.3-2 ! Re: Upgrade from VMS 7.3 to 7.3-2 ! Re: Upgrade from VMS 7.3 to 7.3-2 ! Re: Upgrade from VMS 7.3 to 7.3-2 ! Re: Upgrade from VMS 7.3 to 7.3-2 ! Re: Upgrade from VMS 7.3 to 7.3-2 ! Re: Upgrade from VMS 7.3 to 7.3-2 ! Re: Upgrade from VMS 7.3 to 7.3-2 1 Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? 1 Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows? 
 Re: VMS V1  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 06:47:02 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) " Subject: Re: Documentation for DCL3 Message-ID: <A5oTAo6N6u1k@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <Kh5ud.9$195.2@dfw-service2.ext.ray.com>, Arthur Schwarz <aschwarz@acm.org> writes:+ > Anyone know how to get DCL documentation?   @ Look at the documentation CDROM that came with your copy of VMS.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 07:26:48 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: Documentation for DCL3 Message-ID: <PDWQ2TIVNQG2@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <Kh5ud.9$195.2@dfw-service2.ext.ray.com>, Arthur Schwarz <aschwarz@acm.org> writes:+ > Anyone know how to get DCL documentation?       1) log on and type "help"!    2) start BNU and/or bookreader %    3) goto www.openvms.compaq.com/doc    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:22:11 +0000 E From: Tim ffrench-Lynch <tim-DOT-ffrench-HYPHEN-lynch@baesystems.com> ! Subject: Re: DS10L for 250 Bucks! . Message-ID: <41B9A303.CDC94E64@baesystems.com>   DAVID TURNER wrote:  >  > Only $250 while stocks last % > delivery within 14 days from order.  > FOB Leeds UK (proximity)  @ I think these are the ones without memory or disk, is the memory5 something standard or is it very specific to a DS10L?    Tim    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:51:01 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)  Subject: Re: Galaxy and ES45L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1012040251070001@user-uinj42d.dialup.mindspring.com>  = In article <3c26958b.0412090527.399784a7@posting.google.com>, , lex.beekman@isc-west.nl (Lex Beekman) wrote:  E >According to the specs. and other documents it is still not possible D >to work with Galaxy on an ES45 Alphaserver. Are there any plans for@ >correcting this, because Galaxy is working on an ES40 and ES47.  1 There are no plans to add Galaxy support to ES45.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:20:59 +1100 4 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au>H Subject: Re: IBM smells the coffee - HP refuses to market profitable VMS/ Message-ID: <41B95C6B.9020908@transgrid.com.au>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > second that ...   A O.k., I'll third it.  But what the heck or who's comments are we   seconding and thirding?    Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  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I am at the hotel getting & > > ready for the Ambassadors meeting. > > F > > Starting to plan for the boot camp in June, we had a few excellentF > > seminars this week as a dry run for some new classes in June which you  > > will be hearing about. > > @ > > We are also working on the next technical journal, but thats probablyD > > going to be a little late because the same editing team is doing the / > > documentation for 8.2 and that has priorty.  > > @ > > As far as the engineering group goes we are very busy, still working,F > > still doing the port, still making VMS better, still fighting.  InF > > spite of analysts, in spite of journalists in spite of executives.> > > Remember Ken Olsen saying "Do the Right Thing" I think the	 engineers B > > really did do the right thing when we started and they keep on doing 6 > > it now. Its easier to build on a solid foundation. > > G > > I also think that because the customers and partners that fight for E > > VMS everyday nn spite of the journalists in spite of the analysts  inG > > spite of the executives, it makes the engineers want to work harder G > > and better than anyone else we can not give up, we do not know how.  > > F > > However there is a part of me that would really like to go nah nah? > > nah, its Jan and the group's still hear what about a public  apology. > > E > > Enough of my soap box I am sure you have much better things to do  than > > listen to me.  >  > A > Glad to hear that you and the rest of the gang are still at it.  > D > Now if we could only give pink slips to those who are holding back	 effective  > and sustanined VMS marketing.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 03:37:56 -0800 From: semiretired@my-deja.com 1 Subject: Re: J F on...what else...Americans again B Message-ID: <1102678676.965489.22850@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   Nomen Nescio wrote:  >JF Mezei wrote   , >>re: stories of strip searches in airports.E >>Look, you guys re-elected the very government that instituted those F >>measures in the first place. You have no right to complain about theF >>measures americans requested. After all, you are scared shit of someE >>terrorist and have repeatedly said on US TV that you are willing to C >>undergo whatever measures ans searching is necessary to catch the G >>terrorists. Your government is merely doing what you are asking it to  do.   C >For someone who hates the US so much, you sure spend an inordinate D >amount of time watching US television.  And reading US papers.  AndF >talking about the US.  And obsessing about the US.  And ranting about. >the US.  And trolling about the US on usenet.  = Surely the "Treasonable Actions by Aliens Regulations" forbid  non-citizens discussing such matters?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:25:26 -0500 $ From: "Noce, Guy" <gnoce@towson.edu>1 Subject: RE: J F on...what else...Americans again H Message-ID: <957B7AB3AFF9EB4182E46BD96F48B77B01A88134@helium.towson.edu>  E Surely we don't have the Martians on our case, too?  Say it ain't so!        Nomen Nescio wrote:  >JF Mezei wrote   , >>re: stories of strip searches in airports.H >>Look, you guys re-elected the very government that instituted those=20I >>measures in the first place. You have no right to complain about the=20 I >>measures americans requested. After all, you are scared shit of some=20 H >>terrorist and have repeatedly said on US TV that you are willing to=20F >>undergo whatever measures ans searching is necessary to catch the=20G >>terrorists. Your government is merely doing what you are asking it to  do.   F >For someone who hates the US so much, you sure spend an inordinate=20G >amount of time watching US television.  And reading US papers.  And=20 I >talking about the US.  And obsessing about the US.  And ranting about=20 . >the US.  And trolling about the US on usenet.  = Surely the "Treasonable Actions by Aliens Regulations" forbid % non-citizens discussing such matters?    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:53:09 GMT - From: john <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> 1 Subject: Re: J F on...what else...Americans again 8 Message-ID: <bskjr0th5gccdsu0r2h31aejjtaqitg6pg@4ax.com>  = On 10 Dec 2004 03:37:56 -0800, semiretired@my-deja.com wrote:    >Nomen Nescio wrote: >>JF Mezei wrote > - >>>re: stories of strip searches in airports. F >>>Look, you guys re-elected the very government that instituted thoseG >>>measures in the first place. You have no right to complain about the G >>>measures americans requested. After all, you are scared shit of some F >>>terrorist and have repeatedly said on US TV that you are willing toD >>>undergo whatever measures ans searching is necessary to catch theH >>>terrorists. Your government is merely doing what you are asking it to >do.  2 Whether you like it or not, his comments are true.  E I live in the US and, unlike you, I welcome any comments about the US  by anybody.     I can handle criticism--Can you? > D >>For someone who hates the US so much, you sure spend an inordinateE >>amount of time watching US television.  And reading US papers.  And G >>talking about the US.  And obsessing about the US.  And ranting about / >>the US.  And trolling about the US on usenet.  > > >Surely the "Treasonable Actions by Aliens Regulations" forbid
 >non-citizens  >discussing such matters?         ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:16:45 -0500 ! From: "Joseph" <miom@moimiom.org> 1 Subject: Re: J F on...what else...Americans again 9 Message-ID: <uPkud.29997$bD6.742784@wagner.videotron.net>   : "john" <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message2 news:bskjr0th5gccdsu0r2h31aejjtaqitg6pg@4ax.com...? > On 10 Dec 2004 03:37:56 -0800, semiretired@my-deja.com wrote:  >  > >Nomen Nescio wrote: > >>JF Mezei wrote > > / > >>>re: stories of strip searches in airports. H > >>>Look, you guys re-elected the very government that instituted thoseI > >>>measures in the first place. You have no right to complain about the I > >>>measures americans requested. After all, you are scared shit of some H > >>>terrorist and have repeatedly said on US TV that you are willing toF > >>>undergo whatever measures ans searching is necessary to catch theJ > >>>terrorists. Your government is merely doing what you are asking it to > >do. > 4 > Whether you like it or not, his comments are true. > G > I live in the US and, unlike you, I welcome any comments about the US 
 > by anybody.  > " > I can handle criticism--Can you? > > F > >>For someone who hates the US so much, you sure spend an inordinateG > >>amount of time watching US television.  And reading US papers.  And I > >>talking about the US.  And obsessing about the US.  And ranting about 1 > >>the US.  And trolling about the US on usenet.  > > @ > >Surely the "Treasonable Actions by Aliens Regulations" forbid > >non-citizens  > >discussing such matters?  >  >   ; Here is my thorie, not just the US but in KaKanada also...    In US,J Over $500 billions, because their was 6,000 dead (max for the last decade) because of terrorists.L How much was finance by the gouvernement in research for cancer for exemple?= close to $0. That is for x millions dead in the last decade).   F Where should the priority go? Unless, the american governement (we the/ people) doesn't care about the peolpe who dies.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:03:51 -0500 ; From: Robert DiRosario <robert.j.dirosario.1@gsfc.nasa.gov> 
 Subject: link * Message-ID: <41B9E507.70403@gsfc.nasa.gov>  ( http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:43:10 +0100 ( From: "Ralf van Diesen" <Ralf@nospam.nl>' Subject: Looking for driver for DRV11-J / Message-ID: <41b96f89$1@nnrp1.psineteurope.com>   : I am searching for a driver for the DRV11-J (DNDRIVER.exe)  6 and test programs for DRV11-J and DRV11-WA are needed.  $ Anybody that can share this with me?   --     Ralf van Diesen    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 07:35:24 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: Looking for driver for DRV11-J 3 Message-ID: <Bn8RzBNonV60@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <41b96f89$1@nnrp1.psineteurope.com>, "Ralf van Diesen" <Ralf@nospam.nl> writes:< > I am searching for a driver for the DRV11-J (DNDRIVER.exe) > 8 > and test programs for DRV11-J and DRV11-WA are needed. > & > Anybody that can share this with me?  E    I know about DR11-B, DR11-C, DR11-W, DRV11-WA, and DRQ3B, but I've )    never heard of a DRV11-J.  What is it?   :    On VAXen DRV11-WA had examples programs in sys$examples   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:06:39 +0100 ( From: "Ralf van Diesen" <Ralf@nospam.nl>+ Subject: Re: Looking for driver for DRV11-J / Message-ID: <41b9bbeb$1@nnrp1.psineteurope.com>   # It is a 4 port 16 bit parallel card    Digital partnumber = M8049   Ralf  I "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message  - news:Bn8RzBNonV60@eisner.encompasserve.org... D > In article <41b96f89$1@nnrp1.psineteurope.com>, "Ralf van Diesen"  > <Ralf@nospam.nl> writes:= >> I am searching for a driver for the DRV11-J (DNDRIVER.exe)  >>9 >> and test programs for DRV11-J and DRV11-WA are needed.  >>' >> Anybody that can share this with me?  > F >   I know about DR11-B, DR11-C, DR11-W, DRV11-WA, and DRQ3B, but I've* >   never heard of a DRV11-J.  What is it? > ; >   On VAXen DRV11-WA had examples programs in sys$examples  >    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 06:49:39 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 4 Subject: Re: Macintosh Installers (was: Java on VMS)3 Message-ID: <nj3N7i1xHjh0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <opsirlxsy3aqvj2s@news.ntlworld.com>, reb <natron@ntlworld.com> writes:I > On 6 Dec 2004 07:53:02 -0600, Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net>    > wrote: > 9 >> In article <opsikv3fkiaqvj2s@news.ntlworld.com>, reb     >> <natron@ntlworld.com> writes: >>G >>> There can be some interesting side effects: a well-known commercial D >>> installer product that is sold on MacOS X cannot handle resourceE >>> forks for exactly this reason - it is now implemented in Java and C >>> they wont add support for any non-standard file system features B >>> (well, I suspect they would if they were MS Windows features). >>+ >> Please give the name of that installer !  >  >  > InstallShield.  A Ok, thanks.  I think that is a PC-based installer that if it does C Macintosh only started in the past 10 years.  So it is not one that  I would likely purchase.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:57:49 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>2 Subject: Need DECnet users for trade press article> Message-ID: <hAkud.35027$Mu3.2413059@twister.southeast.rr.com>  K I'm working on getting another trade press article up.  Need customers who  ( use DECnet with one of these conditions:  % 1. An organization still using DECnet K 2. Someone who used DECnet for years, tore it out and moved to IP, and now   regrets it. H 3. Someone who was on DECnet, switched to IP and is happy with the move.  ) This will be an email or voice interview.   ; You will possibly be quoted so make sure you have approval.    Reply to below email address.      Ken    kfarmer[at]openvms.org% _____________________________________  Kenneth R. Farmer <>< # OpenVMS.org, http://www.OpenVMS.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:30:01 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: Need DECnet users for trade press article, Message-ID: <41B9DD14.F641E2DF@teksavvy.com>   Kenneth Farmer wrote:  > L > I'm working on getting another trade press article up.  Need customers who* > use DECnet with one of these conditions:  L You need to specify if DECnet is being used in a LAN or WAN scenario. You'llK probably still find plenty of DECNet users with machine sright next to each F other to help with management tasks etc (such as SYSMAN, MONITOR etc).  H So you need to specify if you are looking for DECnet users with nodes in6 different buildings/cities or just plain decnet users.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 10:27:51 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com 6 Subject: Re: Need DECnet users for trade press articleC Message-ID: <1102703271.629699.220150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    how about decnet over IP? :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:09:53 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: News Server, Message-ID: <JcqdneSCDv7veyTcRVn-3Q@igs.net>   Fred Bach wrote:   > F >    The un*x and lin*x users here laughed at us when we presented VMSF >    as an option for the future.  But let me assure you, VMS is alive >    and very well here.     Can you elaborate?   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 06:04:32 -08005 From: "Sylvain F.DUBOIS" <sylvain_dubois_ca@yahoo.ca> 9 Subject: Re: NFS mount of ODS-5 vs traditional parse type C Message-ID: <1102687472.658515.278560@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Hi Bob,     > One disk needs to have case-preserving for ORACLE 9i . But theG remaining of the disk doesn't need it. Thus, we can't share it with NFS - throught the taditional case-insensitive way.   D ODS-5 doesn't only provide case-preserving capability. It does other things like accessed date.E We have a LOT of files. We would appreciate to have the ACCESSED date  in order to do a safe clean up. ! - Example:   $ DIR /DATE=ACCESSED   D In addition, I try to migrate our softwares to ODS-5 gradually. Yet,  some processes can, but not all.     Regards    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Dec 2004 07:03:05 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>- Subject: Re: PC/PCI DRQ3B card for Windows XP ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-JYlfiiYW6LEU@dave2_os2.home.ours>   D On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:06:45 UTC, Arthur Schwarz <aschwarz@acm.org>  wrote:  ? > Anyone know if any of these cards exist and where to get one?  >  > art   C The Logical company, I believe. They are reputed to work well with   Charon-VAX.    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 07:32:15 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: PC/PCI DRQ3B card for Windows XP 3 Message-ID: <1KHX9sDtIhoZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <pM5ud.10$195.5@dfw-service2.ext.ray.com>, Arthur Schwarz <aschwarz@acm.org> writes:   ? > Anyone know if any of these cards exist and where to get one?       Try:       The Logical Company    75 Gateway Blvd    Cottage Grove, OR 97424  H    I believe they have a competitor called Bit3.  I have not used eitherA    company's products, but I knew of folks using the competitor's     product.   A    They also have drivers for VMS, but I don't know if anyone has     drivers for Windows.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:29:41 -0800 ' From: Arthur Schwarz <aschwarz@acm.org> - Subject: Re: PC/PCI DRQ3B card for Windows XP & Message-ID: <41B9EB15.3080805@acm.org>   Dave Weatherall wrote:  F > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:06:45 UTC, Arthur Schwarz <aschwarz@acm.org>  > wrote: >  > ? >>Anyone know if any of these cards exist and where to get one?  >> >>art  >  > E > The Logical company, I believe. They are reputed to work well with  
 > Charon-VAX.  >   H I've looked at them and sent them a request for information. It appears F that their product is PCI compliant but requires a Vax emulator. I've < heard that Charon_VM is suitable. I am really looking for a I Windows-centric rehost rather than a Vax-centric rehost. This simplifies   some of the local logistics.  I The logical website (www.logical-co.com) has pages last updated in 2003.  % Does anyone know how viable they are?    Thanks   art    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:37:46 -0500 , From: "Richard Whalen" <WhalenR@process.com>. Subject: Re: pscp, psftp and openvms 7.3-2 SSH+ Message-ID: <cpc8rc$kfu$1@news.process.com>   : "Hans Jivesten" <hans.jivesten@telia.com> wrote in message, news:epdud.10632$d5.94675@newsb.telia.net...G > I have problems using pscp and psftp to fetch/put files on my OpenVMS  v7.3-2 > hobbyist server. > H > I can run SSH sessions with PuTTY and I can log on to and do directory  > listings using pscp and psftp. >  > psftp gives the following:( > C:\Program\PuTTY>psftp xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx > login as: xxxx > Using username "xxxx"." > xxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx's password:1 > Remote working directory is /alpha1$dka100/xxxx  > psftp> > psftp> > psftp> > psftp> ls ' > Listing directory /alpha1$dka100/xxxx  > TEST.BAS;1 > psftp> get test.bas 2 > /alpha1$dka100/xxxx/test.bas: unknown error code > psftp> > psftp> get test.bas;1 J > /alpha1$dka100/qrajive/test.bas;1/test.bas;1: expected FXP_STATUS packet > psftp> > % > using pscp gives something similar.  > 2 > Has anyone out there been successfull with this? >  > 
 > regards, > Hans J >  >   H According to http://www.process.com/sshclients/index.html pscp and psftp0 work with the SFTP that Process Software offers.  G When TCP/IP Services started including an SSH implementation I did some 1 basic testing to understand compatibility issues. E One compatibility issue that I discovered is that the server does not L accurately report the version of the SFTP protocol that it implements.  FromF what I could tell (from a little bit of packet analysis) it implementsE version 2 of the SFTP protocol, but will respond that it supports any J version above version 2.  The behavior above leads me to believe that PSCP3 and PSFTP implement version 3 of the SFTP protocol.      ---------------------------  Richard Whalen Process Software   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 07:33:46 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) . Subject: Re: pscp, psftp and openvms 7.3-2 SSH3 Message-ID: <sAM$PPm9ll7W@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <epdud.10632$d5.94675@newsb.telia.net>, "Hans Jivesten" <hans.jivesten@telia.com> writes:O > I have problems using pscp and psftp to fetch/put files on my OpenVMS v7.3-2   > hobbyist server. >   E    This is going to depend very much on which IP stack you've loaded. C    I'd recommend loading Multinet, Process will give you a hobbyist     license.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:16:27 GMT / From: "Hans Jivesten" <hans.jivesten@telia.com> . Subject: Re: pscp, psftp and openvms 7.3-2 SSH2 Message-ID: <%ciud.10655$d5.94960@newsb.telia.net>   Thanks Richard,   M I tried forcing psft and pscp to use version 2 (there is an option for that)   but that didn't work either.  G I guess I have to request a hobbyist license for Multinet and try that.    b r,
 Hans Jivesten ; "Richard Whalen" <WhalenR@process.com> skrev i meddelandet  % news:cpc8rc$kfu$1@news.process.com...  > < > "Hans Jivesten" <hans.jivesten@telia.com> wrote in message. > news:epdud.10632$d5.94675@newsb.telia.net...H >> I have problems using pscp and psftp to fetch/put files on my OpenVMS > v7.3-2 >> hobbyist server.  >>I >> I can run SSH sessions with PuTTY and I can log on to and do directory ! >> listings using pscp and psftp.  >> >> psftp gives the following: ) >> C:\Program\PuTTY>psftp xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx  >> login as: xxxx  >> Using username "xxxx". # >> xxxx@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx's password: 2 >> Remote working directory is /alpha1$dka100/xxxx	 >> psftp> 	 >> psftp> 	 >> psftp>  >> psftp> ls( >> Listing directory /alpha1$dka100/xxxx
 >> TEST.BAS;1  >> psftp> get test.bas3 >> /alpha1$dka100/xxxx/test.bas: unknown error code 	 >> psftp>  >> psftp> get test.bas;1K >> /alpha1$dka100/qrajive/test.bas;1/test.bas;1: expected FXP_STATUS packet 	 >> psftp>  >>& >> using pscp gives something similar. >>3 >> Has anyone out there been successfull with this?  >> >> >> regards, 	 >> Hans J  >> >> > J > According to http://www.process.com/sshclients/index.html pscp and psftp2 > work with the SFTP that Process Software offers. > I > When TCP/IP Services started including an SSH implementation I did some 3 > basic testing to understand compatibility issues. G > One compatibility issue that I discovered is that the server does not I > accurately report the version of the SFTP protocol that it implements.   > FromH > what I could tell (from a little bit of packet analysis) it implementsG > version 2 of the SFTP protocol, but will respond that it supports any L > version above version 2.  The behavior above leads me to believe that PSCP5 > and PSFTP implement version 3 of the SFTP protocol.  >  >  > ---------------------------  > Richard Whalen > Process Software >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Dec 2004 07:03:03 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-Osehdo0ZE8fy@dave2_os2.home.ours>   1 On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:51:48 UTC, "Mike Buchanan"   <News@InsightfulMES.com> wrote:   L > I was hoping that someone could help me out with some simple editor setup. > L > I have written a program that will generate a large text file that I want M > the user to view.  This program is called from within another program that  N > is used by operators in a factory.  I was thinking of spawning a subprocess M > and use a text editor to view the file.  The users do not normally use any  D > VMS editors, so without some key mapping this isn't a good option.  D If you want to do this directly from a program, have you considered @ callable EDT or EVE.i.e. you call EDT or EVE directly from your F program with the filename as an argument. I did originally with EDT buE switched to EVE later because , on balance, users were more familiar    with the EVE/TPU user interface.  A > I would like the editor to have only the following keys mapped:  >   > Up arrow    - move up one line$ > Down arrow    - move down one line > Keypad 4    - page forward > Keypad 6    - page backward  > Keypad 1    - quit >  > That's it.  F Callable EDT, gets you all this apart from quit, which F10 or Ctrl-Z,  would give you, IIRC   O > I was thinking that an EDT command file with lines might work.  I don't have  / > any documentation other than the online HELP.  > Anyone know how to do this?  > 7 > Or maybe the EDT or TPU manual are on-line somewhere?  >  > Mike    3 I think they're documented in the utilities manual.    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 05:09:04 -0800& From: "Galen" <gspamtackett@yahoo.com>( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init fileC Message-ID: <1102684144.005196.292470@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   G Note that TPU and EDT can both be invoked from a program without having F to spawn another process. It takes a bit more work to code, maybe, but! avoids process creation overhead.   C You can find out how to do this from the Utility Routines Reference C Manual in the VMS doc set. If you dont' have a copy handy, here's a  link:    http://tinyurl.com/5zth9   Hope this is helpful.    Galen    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 06:34:47 -08003 From: "Big John" <john.powers@airwidesolutions.com> ( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init fileC Message-ID: <1102689287.598750.253530@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Ah, now it becomes less simple!   B In fact, if you want to suppress those error messages, its not allA that hard. Attached below is a slightly modified version of Peter ; Weaver's entry that suppresses all those annoying messages.   C Actually, if I were doing this from scratch, I would not do it this E way. Instead of starting from scratch (NOSECTION) and building up the C facilities I want, I would start with the EVE section, and strip it E down. That way I could leave in the HELP stuff, and also the nice way F EVE traps messages and puts them on the bottom line and in the messageB buffer for me to study when I want to. (It always used to annoy meE when I used the old EDT, that whenever oper sent me an OPCOM message, $ it splashed it all over the screen).  ; So here are the changes you need to prevent error messages.   @ To prevent the warnings on moving up or down too far, there is aB procedure 'simple_move' which does the move, but also has an errorE trap. If you move too far up, just move to the top, and likewise down  and bottom.   D To prevent the typing keys from inserting stuff, set the SELF_INSERTF on the key-map list to OFF. This will treat any typing key exactly the  same as any other undefined key.  : To prevent the 'Key is undefined' error message, I set theD UNDEFINED_KEY parameter on the key-map list to simply 'return'. Thus0 the program will silently ignore all other keys.  7 I also replaced EXIT with QUIT (since we are quitting).   C In case you are using this on terminals of various sizes instead of @ the standard 24 line VTs, it might be a good idea to replace the= numbers 21 (and 20) by 'GET_INFO(screen,"length")-3' (and -4)   A With that proviso, this version of SIMPLE.TPU does what you want.  HTH.         procedure simple_move (p1_num)   on_error [TPU$_BEGOFBUF]: position (BUFFER_BEGIN); [TPU$_ENDOFBUF]: position (BUFFER_END); endon_error;   move_vertical(p1_num);  
 endprocedure;  !   3 input_file := GET_INFO (COMMAND_LINE, "file_name"); 1 main_buffer:= CREATE_BUFFER ("main", input_file);   & position (BEGINNING_OF (main_buffer));& main_window := create_window(1,21,on);  , the_key_map := create_key_map ("user_keys");E the_key_map_list := create_key_map_list ("the_keylist", the_key_map);   0 set (UNDEFINED_KEY, the_key_map_list, "return");4 set (KEY_MAP_LIST,  the_key_map_list,  main_buffer);, set (SELF_INSERT,   the_key_map_list,  OFF);   MAP (main_window,main_buffer);   ! 4 define_key ("QUIT (OFF,1)",     kp1,   the_key_map);4 define_key ("simple_move (1)",  kp2,   the_key_map);4 define_key ("simple_move (-1)", kp8,   the_key_map);4 define_key ("simple_move (20)", kp6,   the_key_map);4 define_key ("simple_move (-20)",kp4,   the_key_map);4 define_key ("simple_move (1)",  down,  the_key_map);4 define_key ("simple_move (-1)", up,    the_key_map); !      - Cheers, John   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 07:18:55 -08003 From: "Big John" <john.powers@airwidesolutions.com> ( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init fileB Message-ID: <1102691935.817466.92860@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  E Sorry I didn't include any of Mike Buchanan's message to put my entry  into contextE - I hope it was clear enough what I was on about.  I have not yet got  the hang of ) this hideous new Google Groups interface.   D One other thing that I intended to add but forgot is to mention that
 you had said: F > I have written a program that will generate a large text file that I wantG > the user to view.  This program is called from within another program: thatB > is used by operators in a factory.  I was thinking of spawning a
 subprocess) > and use a text editor to view the file.e  E It would be  much more efficient if you are calling in from a writtenw program, toeB use the callable interface to TPU. It's not that hard. There is an	 excellent.B example of it in use in Hunter's archive at process.com in program FLIST.C,& nicely written and easy to understand.  F It would be very easy to plagiarize this, copy the code, strip out all theaB clever bits and use it yourself. I couldn't possibly say if I know anybody > who has done this for himself (I believe you Americans call it	 'pleadingl the fifth')!   - John   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:33:22 -0500i< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file, Message-ID: <31u26sF3d6mmhU1@individual.net>  
 AEF wrote: >...@ > The problem with this is that he wants *ONLY* these keys to beF > defined. He wants all other keys to be disabled, AFAICT. Sounds like >...  F That is what it does, plain old TPU does not define any key by default  so there are no keys to disable.  H Your comments about the screen length and paging are correct, the OP may5 want to make those changes to what I hacked together.p   -- o Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.caV   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:46:18 -05007< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file, Message-ID: <31u26tF3d6mmhU2@individual.net>   Big John wrote:s! > Ah, now it becomes less simple!h >...  H Right, if I knew the OP wanted a 100% working solution then there shouldE have been a PO involved, what I did was a quick hack to show the idealD not write the program, but it looks like your post should do exactly what he wanted.o  F IIRC the manual states that we are supposed to create a message bufferH and a show buffer in every program that displays a window (it has been aE long time since I did anything serious with TPU though). Putting thistG code at the front will eliminate all messages (OPCOM, Mail...) from the0 screen;   ) ! Create a buffer and window for messagesn3 message_buffer := CREATE_BUFFER ("Message Buffer");a SET (NO_WRITE, message_buffer);I SET (SYSTEM, message_buffer); # SET (EOB_TEXT, message_buffer, "");v- message_window := CREATE_WINDOW (21, 4, OFF);.% ! Create a buffer and window for SHOWD, show_buffer := CREATE_BUFFER("Show Buffer"); SET (NO_WRITE, show_buffer); SET (SYSTEM, show_buffer);) info_window := CREATE_WINDOW (1, 20, ON);-   -- - Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXD www.weaverconsulting.caa   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:21:31 -0500D- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file, Message-ID: <41B9DB16.5AFF3B35@teksavvy.com>   Peter Weaver wrote:nH > That is what it does, plain old TPU does not define any key by default" > so there are no keys to disable.  ' But TPU still lets you edit the text...-  K Actually, the real solution to the guy's problem is ALL-IN-1 ! :-) It has a(M LIST function which does exactly what he wants (displays contents of a file).4I It has the ability to switch to wide mode, or scroll left/right, it has a0L basic find facility, and won't let you enter text. It also has the advantage; of not reading the whole file into memory (which TPU does).i   $define myfile report.data $allin1/noinit oa$ini_initializee list myfilea exit $c   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 09:51:20 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init fileB Message-ID: <1102701080.932211.95620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   Peter Weaver wrote:m > AEF wrote: > >...B > > The problem with this is that he wants *ONLY* these keys to beC > > defined. He wants all other keys to be disabled, AFAICT. Sounds  like > >... > @ > That is what it does, plain old TPU does not define any key by defaulto" > so there are no keys to disable.  C Hmmm. I tried $ EDIT/TPU/NOSEC/NOCOM/NOINIT LOGIN.COM but it didn't*E display the file at all. So just what *is* "plain old TPU"? I thoughtp? TPU is just the tools to build your own editor, text processinge program, whatever.  G Actually, I don't think he needs to disable keys (except ^Y) if he addse@ /READ_ONLY, but he said he couldn't get that to work. When I useF /READ_ONLY, I get an "unmodifiable" buffer displayed on the screen andG I cannot edit it. I can only navigate and quit, which is what I thoughtiG he wanted. Still, I am curious how difficult it would be to disable allt& key definitions in EVE, TPU, whatever.   Thanks.e    F > Your comments about the screen length and paging are correct, the OP mayf7 > want to make those changes to what I hacked together.  >l > -- > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc.n > Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXr > www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 09:56:16 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init fileC Message-ID: <1102701376.004619.112670@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>i   JF Mezei wrote:: > Peter Weaver wrote:DB > > That is what it does, plain old TPU does not define any key by defaulte$ > > so there are no keys to disable. ><) > But TPU still lets you edit the text...a  F Hmmm. When I run $ EDIT/TPU/READ_ONLY, I cannot modify the text. I canD only navigate and exit. Actually, add the Do key command to that. HeD might want to disable that! And maybe Help also. I don't know how toD run TPU without any keys being defined. Please enlighten me. Thanks. [...]r   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 10:00:36 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init fileC Message-ID: <1102701636.745593.127410@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>t   Big John wrote: G > Sorry I didn't include any of Mike Buchanan's message to put my entry  > into contextG > - I hope it was clear enough what I was on about.  I have not yet got 
 > the hang ofy+ > this hideous new Google Groups interface.o  A Yeah, it's bad. But you might still be able to use the old one attG http://groups.google.co.uk. The problem there being that you go back tonD slow updates. The new version does update MUCH more quickly: minutes instead of hours.h  G Sometimes the reply link at the bottom of a post doesn't include quotedaC text. But I've found that if you click "Show options" and click ITS # Reply link you get the quoted text.    [...]n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:35:45 +0100e0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init fileB Message-ID: <41b9ec82$0$29838$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>  , Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:l > In article <1102630552.070139.128130@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: >  >>Dave Greenwood wrote:t >>( >>>In a previous article, "Peter Weaver" >>0 >><WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> >>>>Mike Buchanan wrote: >>>> >>>>>...# >>>>>Up arrow    - move up one line ' >>>>>Down arrow    - move down one liner >>>>>Keypad 4    - page forward-  >>>>>Keypad 6    - page backward >>>>>Keypad 1    - quiti >>>>>... >>>>? >>>>I like Alan's TYPE/PAGE=SAVE idea, but here is a simple TPU  >> >>procedure9 >>* >>>>that should be close to what you want; >> >>@ >>The TYPE/PAGE=SAVE command is not good for files larger than 5G >>screenfuls or so. Otherwise it's fine except for the keyboard mappings >>that the OP requested. >  > O > Well, how about the "MOST" (enhanced _more_) file viewer?  It was good enoughl > for SWING. > 	 > -- Alane     It's here...9 http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?MOSTn  H However I prefer, and greatly recommend, LOOK. LOOK is Serge Kovalyov's D *fast* file viewer for VMS. It is small and doesn't try to read the C whole file into memory, so it's efficient and fast with very large  H files. It has no native capability to edit a file, although it can call B TPU and load the file being viewed for editing. It has single key ? commands which are keyboard layout neutral. It has a menu line rC indicating the most important commands. These commands include the sD normal scrolling and paging keys, the ability to jump to the top or F bottom, or jump to percent of file or jump to line number, and also a I forward/backward search capability. There is a hex viewing mode, a spawn EC capability, a help screen, and a one key switching of screen width M? between 80 and 132 columns. It also provides a vertical scroll wE capability for viewing very wide reports. The status line shows your .G current line number, column number, and % position in file, along with 0I the name of the file with version number; which could be important for a  H user to tell others which log file they saw an error. If invoked with a F filename containing wild cards, LOOK will load all matching files one I after another as you finish viewing the previous file. I have been using 09 it without error for many years on VAX and Alpha systems.e9 http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?LOOKc     Cheers!p   Keith Cayemberg0   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 07:50:37 -0800G From: "steven@NOSPAMtrudgill.demon.co.uk" <steven@trudgill.demon.co.uk>o& Subject: Upgrade from VMS 7.3 to 7.3-2C Message-ID: <1102693837.742201.207200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>n  G As far as I can see, VMS 7.3-2 is an "Enhancement Release" (because the-= version number increases to show a revision by using a dash).2D This release may contain new hardware support, software enhancementsC and maintenance, but the changes are isolated and have no impact ono% applications that use published APIs.mF Because of this, "There is no need for ISVs to test on the new release! or produce a new application kit"s= (taken from an old version of www.hp.com/hps/os/os_ovms.html)t  D So we shouldn't need to do anything when upgrading from 7.3 to 7.3-2  F But we are getting conflicting information from a third party, who areA saying that this is a major upgrade, and we need to produce a newU. application kit (or at least test on 7.3-2...)  
 Who is right?a  B Any pointers to relevant documents/web pages would be appreciated. Thanks   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 08:09:29 -0800G From: "steven@NOSPAMtrudgill.demon.co.uk" <steven@trudgill.demon.co.uk>m* Subject: Re: Upgrade from VMS 7.3 to 7.3-2B Message-ID: <1102694969.422979.63730@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  : Should have added that this is, of course OpenVMS Alpha...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:35:00 +0000s- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>S* Subject: Re: Upgrade from VMS 7.3 to 7.3-2* Message-ID: <41B9D034.9080308@bigpond.com>  7 steven@NOSPAMtrudgill.demon.co.uk was overheard to say:eI > As far as I can see, VMS 7.3-2 is an "Enhancement Release" (because the6? > version number increases to show a revision by using a dash).oF > This release may contain new hardware support, software enhancementsE > and maintenance, but the changes are isolated and have no impact on ' > applications that use published APIs.jH > Because of this, "There is no need for ISVs to test on the new release# > or produce a new application kit"t? > (taken from an old version of www.hp.com/hps/os/os_ovms.html)i > F > So we shouldn't need to do anything when upgrading from 7.3 to 7.3-2 > H > But we are getting conflicting information from a third party, who areC > saying that this is a major upgrade, and we need to produce a newd0 > application kit (or at least test on 7.3-2...) >  > Who is right?o > D > Any pointers to relevant documents/web pages would be appreciated. > Thanks  ! And who would the third party be?t   Regards, Dave.a --  D David B Sneddon (dbs)  VMS Systems Programmer  dbsneddon@bigpond.comD Sneddo's quick guide ...     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/D DBS freeware     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 08:43:03 -0800G From: "steven@NOSPAMtrudgill.demon.co.uk" <steven@trudgill.demon.co.uk>S* Subject: Re: Upgrade from VMS 7.3 to 7.3-2C Message-ID: <1102696983.930480.182080@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>l  ; One of our clients (I work for a financial software house).A   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 08:56:36 -0800G From: "steven@NOSPAMtrudgill.demon.co.uk" <steven@trudgill.demon.co.uk>n* Subject: Re: Upgrade from VMS 7.3 to 7.3-2C Message-ID: <1102697796.793977.230920@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>r  G Perhaps I should also mention that they're quite happily running on VMSo4 7.3 with software compiled (by us) on VMS 6.2-1H2...  C Because of backwards compatibility issues, we can't upgrade our VMSc" until our clients have upgraded...   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 12:24:20 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) * Subject: Re: Upgrade from VMS 7.3 to 7.3-2- Message-ID: <3XW564bWn+uz@cuebid.zko.dec.com>0  I "steven@NOSPAMtrudgill.demon.co.uk" <steven@trudgill.demon.co.uk> writes:- [...]-F > So we shouldn't need to do anything when upgrading from 7.3 to 7.3-2 > H > But we are getting conflicting information from a third party, who areC > saying that this is a major upgrade, and we need to produce a newe0 > application kit (or at least test on 7.3-2...)  H Well, have you upgraded your own systems to V7.3-2 and run your software7 to demonstrate to your client that there is no problem?-   -- -  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comr   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 10:15:50 -0800/ From: "Martin Walker" <martin.walker@csf.co.uk> * Subject: Re: Upgrade from VMS 7.3 to 7.3-2C Message-ID: <1102702550.808921.179600@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>a  @ How do you ever manage to upgrade?  You can't upgrade until your+ customers do; customers can't until you do!d  G The cost of a small Alpha for testing is well below =A31000 - can't youRF justify that?  (David Turner is advertising a DS10L for $250 in the UK@ today).  As a software house, you should be able to get licensesC free through DSPP.  What is the impact if a customer's system fails0. after they upgrade - for you and the customer?9 In my opinion, having testing facilities is not optional!b   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:41:35 +0000 (UTC)a- From: lewis@SPYDER.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)k* Subject: Re: Upgrade from VMS 7.3 to 7.3-2. Message-ID: <cpcqkv$4qp$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "steven@NOSPAMtrudgill.demon.co.uk" <steven@trudgill.demon.co.uk> writes in article <1102693837.742201.207200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> dated 10 Dec 2004 07:50:37 -0800: E >So we shouldn't need to do anything when upgrading from 7.3 to 7.3-2A >oG >But we are getting conflicting information from a third party, who are1B >saying that this is a major upgrade, and we need to produce a new/ >application kit (or at least test on 7.3-2...)s  0 The upgrade to 7.2-3 broke our app.  Here's how:  F 7.3-2 is the first version which is incompatible with Decwindows/MotifH 1.2-5.  Version 1.3 works, but an arcane feature (overlay bitplanes) has1 been yanked, and our app depends on that feature.o  L I would recommend testing in-house before advising your customers to upgradeG in general.  And in this case specifically, especially if your app usesaG Decwindows.  In general, upgrade your "test" system first, then all the.1 customers, then your "production build" system.     C If you're on a low budget you can use a single alpha for "test" and 0 "production build", with 2 different boot disks.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:53:02 +0100o* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>: Subject: Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?, Message-ID: <31tridF3e4gjsU1@individual.net>   Bob Kaplow wrote:th > In article <1102345538.159703.164460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Barry" <dysert@gmail.com> writes: > I >>Would someone be so kind as the answer the original question, i.e., howrH >>can I do the equivalent of a standalone backup under Windows?  I'm notD >>interested in decompression, but in doing a full backup of my hardI >>drive while Windows is doing as little as possible.  I have W98SE.  WhocH >>knows the best way to do a complete (/IMAGE) backup of my C drive even* >>while I'm up and running off C?  Thanks! >  >  > Install Linux? >   I I can confirm that Linux on a second disk worked fine for backing up and oD restoring Win98, and was fast too. I used gzip and tar to produce a G compressed archive. I created a Linux boot floppy which pointed at the yG second disk, and left the original boot block on C: alone, so choosing [J which O/S to boot was simply a matter of inserting or ejecting the floppy.  I As part of this exercise, I never got Linux to work with the CD burner I  E had then, so I created different backups for data files etc, putting @9 them on a DOS partition, then used Win98 to burn the CDs.e  G Moving on to NTFS on NT4, I found that creating a minimum installation wE (preferably on a separate disk, though it is possible to use another eH installation directory on the first disk, a sort of alternate VMS root) I gave me the chance of booting if the main NT4 got hosed, and offered the yE opportunity of backing up/restoring files which would be locked on a tA running system. I used ntbackup with a SCSI tape for this. NT4's ., ntbackup  can't backup to anything but tape.  I Another solution to look for is Ultraback, but IIRC it can get expensive e& depending on which options you go for.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:22:37 -0500:# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>s: Subject: Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?, Message-ID: <oPKdnXmDTqbzdCTcRVn-gg@igs.net>   Paul Sture wrote:- > Bob Kaplow wrote:aF >> In article <1102345538.159703.164460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,% >> "Barry" <dysert@gmail.com> writes:D >>G >>> Would someone be so kind as the answer the original question, i.e.,nE >>> how can I do the equivalent of a standalone backup under Windows?oF >>> I'm not interested in decompression, but in doing a full backup ofG >>> my hard drive while Windows is doing as little as possible.  I haveeF >>> W98SE.  Who knows the best way to do a complete (/IMAGE) backup of< >>> my C drive even while I'm up and running off C?  Thanks! >> >> >> Install Linux?0 >> >.F > I can confirm that Linux on a second disk worked fine for backing upG > and restoring Win98, and was fast too. I used gzip and tar to producesF > a compressed archive. I created a Linux boot floppy which pointed atC > the second disk, and left the original boot block on C: alone, sor@ > choosing which O/S to boot was simply a matter of inserting or > ejecting the floppy. >aA > As part of this exercise, I never got Linux to work with the CDpG > burner I had then, so I created different backups for data files etc,u	 > putting ; > them on a DOS partition, then used Win98 to burn the CDs.  >eH > Moving on to NTFS on NT4, I found that creating a minimum installationF > (preferably on a separate disk, though it is possible to use anotherC > installation directory on the first disk, a sort of alternate VMSLD > root) gave me the chance of booting if the main NT4 got hosed, andF > offered the opportunity of backing up/restoring files which would beB > locked on a running system. I used ntbackup with a SCSI tape for
 > this. NT4'sa. > ntbackup  can't backup to anything but tape. > @ > Another solution to look for is Ultraback, but IIRC it can get2 > expensive depending on which options you go for.    A Maxtor sells external USB 2.0 disk drives in a custom case with anK push-button on the front. They bundle Win backup software from Dantz called<I Retrospect, which in addition to allowing copying of files also creates a I 'disaster recovery image' of the boot drive which you can burn onto a CD.   L If your system ever dies, you just pop the CD in, follow the instructions toG create your boot image on the new hard drive, and then copy one or moree@ 'save sets' from the external drive and you're back in business.  L The software does data compression, so 80Gb of compressed external disk will3 hold about 110-120Gb of original uncompressed data.-  C Plus it's really easy to simply move the external drive in/out of ar fireproof safe each day.  J If you choose to roll you own external case solution, get a case with someH removable drive trays installed and swap drives periodically to off-siteL storage. I find this way of dealing with a few PC's much faster than dealing2 with tape backup - 160+Gb drives are pretty cheap.  K Also, all my PC's have RAID1 controllers with 2 drives for added safety....lI not that it means anything when a Microsoft operating system is involved.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Dec 2004 07:24:30 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)b Subject: Re: VMS V1n3 Message-ID: <Qo+5gjGQz2ov@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  h In article <1102630256.065495.104140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "ewilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes:D > I cut my teeth on Vaxes with Intergraph back in  1981 or 1982 (andF > RSX-11 on an Intergraph PDP-11/70 before that).  'twas the blue wall" > (VMS 2.4) that I learned VMS on.  1    Gee, all we got with VMS 2.x was a blue shelf.p   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.685 ************************