1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 11 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 687       Contents: Re: Anything and Everything  Re: Anything and Everything  Re: Anything and Everything $ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T$ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T$ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T$ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T$ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T$ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T$ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T$ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T$ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T$ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T$ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T( Re: J F on...what else...Americans again( Re: J F on...what else...Americans again- Re: Need DECnet users for trade press article - Re: Need DECnet users for trade press article  Shared library creating 1 Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:49:00 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com $ Subject: Re: Anything and Everything- Message-ID: <87ekhwki03.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   " jordan.henderson@gmail.com writes:  = >> I emailed him and asked. His response was, "anything and > ! >> everything to do with DECnet."   C > If you need "anything and everything" then you'll want to mention C > how DECnet is used in single-node (not LAN nor WAN) systems as an  > application protocol.   C For an example, WASD uses DECnet for server processes. It is REALLY F easy to mod it so they all run on another node, or on another CLUSTER,E and they does not even have to run IP at all. Makes it a bit toughter  for the script kinder ;)   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:18:50 +1030 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>$ Subject: Re: Anything and Everything- Message-ID: <41bb3331@duster.adelaide.on.net>    prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:$ > jordan.henderson@gmail.com writes: >  > = >>>I emailed him and asked. His response was, "anything and > ! >>>everything to do with DECnet."  >  > C >>If you need "anything and everything" then you'll want to mention C >>how DECnet is used in single-node (not LAN nor WAN) systems as an  >>application protocol.  >  > E > For an example, WASD uses DECnet for server processes. It is REALLY H > easy to mod it so they all run on another node, or on another CLUSTER,G > and they does not even have to run IP at all. Makes it a bit toughter  > for the script kinder ;)  D A small clarification Paul.  WASD primarily uses detached processes I running under a non-server account for scripting purposes.  (It also can  D use subprocesses.)  DECnet is used for its OSU scripting emulation. A DECnet can also be used for interfacing its standard CGI scripts.   0    http://wasd.vsm.com.au/ht_root/doc/scripting/  H Being capable of executing the script off-server-host, and as you point H out on *any* DECnet-enabled host in your network, is certainly a useful H aspect of DECnet-based scripting.  This makes Dave Jones' original idea H of using DECnet for Web server scripting a powerful addition to the VMS  networking environment.    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2004 10:54:08 -0800  From: jordan.henderson@gmail.com$ Subject: Re: Anything and EverythingC Message-ID: <1102791248.180885.102500@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:$ > jordan.henderson@gmail.com writes: > ? > >> I emailed him and asked. His response was, "anything and > # > >> everything to do with DECnet."  > E > > If you need "anything and everything" then you'll want to mention E > > how DECnet is used in single-node (not LAN nor WAN) systems as an  > > application protocol.  > E > For an example, WASD uses DECnet for server processes. It is REALLY ? > easy to mod it so they all run on another node, or on another  CLUSTER,G > and they does not even have to run IP at all. Makes it a bit toughter  > for the script kinder ;)  G I've always thought that a really secure setup for eCommerce would be a E pair of VMS machines, one facing the Internet with the Web interface, > the other behind it connected to it ONLY by DECNet holding theF sensitive data utilizing an Rdb/DECnet connection (no TCPIP running on the backend at all).  F Even if the front end were broken into, it would be difficult for themB to then crack into the backend.  Of course, this is using SecurityC Through Obscurity, because if the front end were broken completely, D you'd have access to the Rdb/DECnet link, but I think it would offer- some additional protection in the real world.    >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 6076, > comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot0 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.D > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.    -Jordan Henderson    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Dec 2004 07:06:20 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>- Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-bNPIWZ301fde@dave2_os2.home.ours>   . On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:57:40 UTC, "Guy Peleg" % <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> wrote:   J > We have added the ability to customize the output of the CTRL-T routine. > E > If the symbol DCL$CTRLT is defined DCL will append it's contents to  > H > the traditional CTRL-T output. It allows users to use CTRL-T for their   <Snip>  C > What do you think? unfortunately we missed the V8.2 train so this  > J > will ship with the first version after V8.2. However, if the response is > A > positive enough, I'll consider backporting it to V7.3-2 or V8.2  >  > Guy Peleg  >  > OpenVMS Engineering    F Neat !! and useful. How about  7.3-1 too? We finally get to move up to
 it next year.    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:57:56 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T 1 Message-ID: <cpe9a3$i3$1@hercules.btinternet.com>    Hi,   L While I'm all for any and all new functionality, I'm a bit confused on this.C At least, from a 3GL point of view, what does this give you that an E out-of-band CTRL/T AST doesn't? Admittedly DCL is a bit harder; but I K remember at least one example in the old VAX Professional (Oooohh, remember H those!) of a Terminate and Stay Resident job that would do the DCL bits.  I Anyway, well done. But sadly it would appear that after the 8.2 workload, J VMS engineering now has some fat that could be trimmed. It's a shame, as IK certainly have some functionality that I'd like to see go in ahead of this.    Regards Richard Maher.  ; "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> wrote in message & news:41ba1eac$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com...J > We have added the ability to customize the output of the CTRL-T routine. > E > If the symbol DCL$CTRLT is defined DCL will append it's contents to  > H > the traditional CTRL-T output. It allows users to use CTRL-T for their > D > own needs in their applications. It may also be used for debugging >  > user/supervisor mode code. > 6 > Here is a simple DCL procedure using the new feature >  > IPL31> ty ctrlt_loop.com >  > $ inner=0  >  > $ outer=0  > 	 > $ loop:  > 
 > $ loop1: > + > $ if inner .gt. 20000 then goto end_loop1  >  > $ inner=inner+1  > C > $ dcl$ctrlt=F$FAO("Inner loop count is !SL !/ Outer loop count is  > !SL",inner,outer)  >  > $ goto loop1 >  > $ end_loop1: >  > $ inner=0  >  > $ outer=outer+1  > 
 > $ goto loop  >  > IPL31> @ctrlt_loop > D > IPL31::GUY 10:46:37 (DCL) CPU=00:03:42.68 PF=13453 IO=6743 MEM=187 >  > Inner loop count is 12306  >  > Outer loop count is 0  > D > IPL31::GUY 10:46:43 (DCL) CPU=00:03:49.19 PF=13455 IO=6744 MEM=187 >  > Inner loop count is 19200  >  > Outer loop count is 2  > 6 > Here is a simple C program utilizing the new feature >  > IPL31> ty ctrlt_looper.c >  > #include <descrip> > 
 > void main()  >  > {  >  > int counter=0; > $ > $DESCRIPTOR(sym_name,"dcl$ctrlt"); > , > static struct dsc$descriptor_s value_desc; >  > char buffer[256]={0};  > ) > value_desc.dsc$b_dtype = DSC$K_DTYPE_T;  > ) > value_desc.dsc$b_class = DSC$K_CLASS_S;  >  > while (1){ >  > counter++; > * > sprintf(buffer,"Counter is %d",counter); > $ > value_desc.dsc$a_pointer = buffer; > + > value_desc.dsc$w_length = strlen(buffer);  > ( > lib$set_symbol(&sym_name,&value_desc); >  > }  >  > }  >  > IPL31> r ctrlt_looper  > H > IPL31::GUY 10:47:27 CTRLT_LOO CPU=00:03:53.26 PF=13631 IO=6784 MEM=335 >  > Counter is 216766  > H > IPL31::GUY 10:47:28 CTRLT_LOO CPU=00:03:54.45 PF=13631 IO=6785 MEM=335 >  > Counter is 338429  > G > The DCL$CTRLT symbol may have different values in different procedure  levels >  > which I find useful as well. >  >  > C > What do you think? unfortunately we missed the V8.2 train so this  > J > will ship with the first version after V8.2. However, if the response is > A > positive enough, I'll consider backporting it to V7.3-2 or V8.2  >  > Guy Peleg  >  > OpenVMS Engineering  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:45:53 +0000 / From: "R.A.Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> - Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T 4 Message-ID: <cpefkg$aen$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   Guy Peleg wrote:  J > We have added the ability to customize the output of the CTRL-T routine.E > If the symbol DCL$CTRLT is defined DCL will append it's contents to H > the traditional CTRL-T output. It allows users to use CTRL-T for theirD > own needs in their applications. It may also be used for debugging > user/supervisor mode code.  # Just to add another vote for this !   1 Excellent, and this will *greatly* aid debugging.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:21:14 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG- Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T 0 Message-ID: <00A3C2DA.7673FDD0@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <cpe9a3$i3$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  >Hi, > M >While I'm all for any and all new functionality, I'm a bit confused on this. D >At least, from a 3GL point of view, what does this give you that anF >out-of-band CTRL/T AST doesn't? Admittedly DCL is a bit harder; but IL >remember at least one example in the old VAX Professional (Oooohh, rememberI >those!) of a Terminate and Stay Resident job that would do the DCL bits.  > J >Anyway, well done. But sadly it would appear that after the 8.2 workload,K >VMS engineering now has some fat that could be trimmed. It's a shame, as I L >certainly have some functionality that I'd like to see go in ahead of this. >  >Regards Richard Maher.   ; ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/ctrl-verify.zip    --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:30:18 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG- Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T 0 Message-ID: <00A3C2DB.BAAA3DE0@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <cpe9a3$i3$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  >Hi, > M >While I'm all for any and all new functionality, I'm a bit confused on this. D >At least, from a 3GL point of view, what does this give you that anF >out-of-band CTRL/T AST doesn't? Admittedly DCL is a bit harder; but IL >remember at least one example in the old VAX Professional (Oooohh, rememberI >those!) of a Terminate and Stay Resident job that would do the DCL bits.  > J >Anyway, well done. But sadly it would appear that after the 8.2 workload,K >VMS engineering now has some fat that could be trimmed. It's a shame, as I L >certainly have some functionality that I'd like to see go in ahead of this.  ; ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/ctrl-verify.zip    --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:52:22 +0200 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com>- Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T , Message-ID: <41bb0c85$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  7 All people responded suggested they would benefit using = this in debugging situations. I might say that I was a little 9 surprised. While this makes a great debugging tool it may @ also use in your applications to indicate some kind of progress.: Assuming I'm calculating the largest prime number, I might> define the symbol (in the application) to indicate what is the7 current number being processed (maybe update the symbol $ only every 50000 loop iteration)....  ; It is always surprising to see how people use our features.   4 Thank you for your valuable feedback. Keep it coming   Guy    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2004 08:58:24 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T 3 Message-ID: <N2pp6KucGpU7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <41ba2c84@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> writes:   G > I'm up to the challenge !!! I'm willing to provide VAX image for V7.3   A But if you can get the feature into the VAX 8.2 release, for once 8 VAX would be ahead of Alpha in getting the new stuff !!!   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2004 09:05:02 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T 3 Message-ID: <WMO0QEdQXKPO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <cpe9a3$i3$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:   N > While I'm all for any and all new functionality, I'm a bit confused on this.E > At least, from a 3GL point of view, what does this give you that an G > out-of-band CTRL/T AST doesn't? Admittedly DCL is a bit harder; but I   E As I see it, being able to do it from DCL is the goal, and being able D to use it from a real program just falls out for free due to the way it is implemented.  M > remember at least one example in the old VAX Professional (Oooohh, remember J > those!) of a Terminate and Stay Resident job that would do the DCL bits.  1 This implementation is (or will be) SUPPORTED !!!    That is crucial for many sites.   ? Terminate and Stay Resident is for another operating system :-)   K > Anyway, well done. But sadly it would appear that after the 8.2 workload, 9 > VMS engineering now has some fat that could be trimmed.   B What makes you say that ?  While adding this feature may not be soC crucial a job for Guy as making LMF work for Itanium, this category A of change is what VMS Development used to call a "delighter".  It D will not sell any additional machines per se, but it keeps the loyalA VMS fans enthused, which is quite important.  A similar status is B true for other forthcoming features discussed at the VMS SymposiumC in Nashua -- much desired by those customers who personally use VMS : but not strategic enough to slow down the Itanium release.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2004 09:07:16 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T 3 Message-ID: <7gB4Jxwnigxr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <41bb0c85$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> writes: 9 > All people responded suggested they would benefit using ? > this in debugging situations. I might say that I was a little ; > surprised. While this makes a great debugging tool it may B > also use in your applications to indicate some kind of progress.< > Assuming I'm calculating the largest prime number, I might@ > define the symbol (in the application) to indicate what is the9 > current number being processed (maybe update the symbol & > only every 50000 loop iteration)....  ? I gather from the idea of only updating every so often that Guy > does not get paid according to how much time customer machines spend in Supervisor Mode :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2004 12:34:06 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) - Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T - Message-ID: <i$He1NdABMNT@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   4 "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> writes:H > Neat !! and useful. How about  7.3-1 too? We finally get to move up to > it next year.   H Since V7.3-1 is not supported after the end of the calendar year (and itO is not eligible for prior version support), there is a reluctance to spend time   working on unsupported software.  3 Please note that I'm not speaking for Guy, however.    --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2004 10:29:42 -0800+ From: "Richard Levitte" <levitte@gmail.com> - Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T A Message-ID: <1102789782.588990.7450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Guy Peleg wrote:A > We have added the ability to customize the output of the CTRL-T  routine. > E > If the symbol DCL$CTRLT is defined DCL will append it's contents to B > the traditional CTRL-T output. It allows users to use CTRL-T for their D > own needs in their applications. It may also be used for debugging > user/supervisor mode code.$ I love this idea!  Please implement.   --   Richard Levitte    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:21:01 GMT F From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregorymorrowLUCKBEALADYTONIGHT@earthlink.net>1 Subject: Re: J F on...what else...Americans again > Message-ID: <xdxud.91$Yj4.43@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>   Zippy wrote:  G > Criticism from JF is a different story.  His comments don't mean SHIT G > in the real world.  He hasn't seen the real world in years.  Even his E > fellow Canadians are waiting for him to come out of the basement so $ > they can beat the crap out of him.     AHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA.....!!!  H JF is known as the "human mushroom"...he lives in a dank basement and is nourished by horse doody.....  --   Best Greg   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:13:29 GMT 9 From: "Frank F. Matthews" <frankfmatthews@houston.rr.com> 1 Subject: Re: J F on...what else...Americans again 2 Message-ID: <dNGud.12154$2e.7191@fe2.texas.rr.com>   john wrote:   E > On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:06:19 GMT, Zippy <zipadeedoda@no.com> wrote:  >  > ( >>On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:14:56 GMT, john+ >><z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote:  >> >>F >>>On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:22:24 GMT, Zippy <zipadeedoda@no.com> wrote: >>>  >>> * >>>>On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:53:09 GMT, john- >>>><z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote:  >>>> >>>>B >>>>>On 10 Dec 2004 03:37:56 -0800, semiretired@my-deja.com wrote: >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>>Nomen Nescio wrote:  >>>>>> >>>>>>>JF Mezei wrote  >>>>>>2 >>>>>>>>re: stories of strip searches in airports.K >>>>>>>>Look, you guys re-elected the very government that instituted those L >>>>>>>>measures in the first place. You have no right to complain about theL >>>>>>>>measures americans requested. After all, you are scared shit of someK >>>>>>>>terrorist and have repeatedly said on US TV that you are willing to I >>>>>>>>undergo whatever measures ans searching is necessary to catch the M >>>>>>>>terrorists. Your government is merely doing what you are asking it to  >>>>>>	 >>>>>>do.  >>>>> 7 >>>>>Whether you like it or not, his comments are true.  >>>>> J >>>>>I live in the US and, unlike you, I welcome any comments about the US >>>>>by anybody. >>>>> % >>>>>I can handle criticism--Can you?  >>>> >>>>I >>>>Criticism from JF is a different story.  His comments don't mean SHIT I >>>>in the real world.  He hasn't seen the real world in years.  Even his G >>>>fellow Canadians are waiting for him to come out of the basement so & >>>>they can beat the crap out of him. >>>  >>> " >>>Oh, I see, selective criticism. >>> H >>>Have you made up a list of who HAS YOUR APPROVAL to  criticize the US; >>>and who does not have your approval to criticize the US?  >>>  >>>  >>>YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! >> >>* >>I handle the truth just fine, thank you.1 >>John & JF---Butt Buddies? or just good friends.  >  >  >  > I ask you again: > G > Have you made up a list of who HAS YOUR APPROVAL to  criticize the US : > and who does not have your approval to criticize the US?    H It's not that he said that JF couldn't criticize  Zippy was just saying 8 that it wasn't worth paying attention to his criticisms.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 08:10:35 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 6 Subject: Re: Need DECnet users for trade press article/ Message-ID: <cpea1r$d9g$1@titan.btinternet.com>    Hi,   C I hope someone that volunteers can also mention the benefits of the @ programming side of DECnet! Little things like record boundries.   Regards Richard Maher   A "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> wrote in message 8 news:hAkud.35027$Mu3.2413059@twister.southeast.rr.com...L > I'm working on getting another trade press article up.  Need customers who* > use DECnet with one of these conditions: > ' > 1. An organization still using DECnet L > 2. Someone who used DECnet for years, tore it out and moved to IP, and now
 > regrets it. J > 3. Someone who was on DECnet, switched to IP and is happy with the move. > + > This will be an email or voice interview.  > = > You will possibly be quoted so make sure you have approval.  >  > Reply to below email address.  >  >  > Ken  >  > kfarmer[at]openvms.org' > _____________________________________  > Kenneth R. Farmer <>< % > OpenVMS.org, http://www.OpenVMS.org  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:27:49 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 6 Subject: Re: Need DECnet users for trade press article, Message-ID: <mMednZxvGvGOjybcRVn-gQ@igs.net>   Kenneth Farmer wrote: > > I'm working on getting another trade press article up.  Need8 > customers who use DECnet with one of these conditions: > ' > 1. An organization still using DECnet D > 2. Someone who used DECnet for years, tore it out and moved to IP, > and now regrets it. D > 3. Someone who was on DECnet, switched to IP and is happy with the > move.   H And also mentioning the availability of DECnet on multiple platforms for0 security and reliable deterministic performance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:08:11 +0100 7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>   Subject: Shared library creating+ Message-ID: <cperfr$h26$1@bozon2.softax.pl>    Hi all!   G Does anybody know how to determine automatically what option shuold be   used in options file= when we create shared library from object library. We create  ) automatically options file which contains H all symbols from OLB, but we don't know how to determine when we should  use    SYMBOL_VECTOR=(symbol=DATA)   
 instead of    SYMBOL_VECTOR=(symbol=PROCEDURE)    E After first creating EXE, we know what need to be changed in options  & file, because linker displays messages like following:     < %LINK-W-SYMVABNORMAL, Symbol CXXL$PNTTRCSNKSCXX1F7F3107DNOO4.          defined in module TRACE_SINKS as DATA-          was declared in options as PROCEDURE   I As you can see we use CXX compiler (VMS 7.3-1 and 7.3-2). Problem starts   when we need buildF different distributions using diffrent CXX versions. Name mangling is  different, so we have to  maintain diffrent options files.   Thanks for help,   Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:31:05 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>: Subject: Re: VMS stand alone backup is what in MS Windows?, Message-ID: <31vt2rF3glnamU1@individual.net>   John Smith wrote:    <snip>   > C > Maxtor sells external USB 2.0 disk drives in a custom case with a M > push-button on the front. They bundle Win backup software from Dantz called K > Retrospect, which in addition to allowing copying of files also creates a K > 'disaster recovery image' of the boot drive which you can burn onto a CD.  > N > If your system ever dies, you just pop the CD in, follow the instructions toI > create your boot image on the new hard drive, and then copy one or more B > 'save sets' from the external drive and you're back in business. > N > The software does data compression, so 80Gb of compressed external disk will5 > hold about 110-120Gb of original uncompressed data.  > E > Plus it's really easy to simply move the external drive in/out of a  > fireproof safe each day. > L > If you choose to roll you own external case solution, get a case with someJ > removable drive trays installed and swap drives periodically to off-siteN > storage. I find this way of dealing with a few PC's much faster than dealing4 > with tape backup - 160+Gb drives are pretty cheap. > M > Also, all my PC's have RAID1 controllers with 2 drives for added safety.... K > not that it means anything when a Microsoft operating system is involved.  >  > < Thanks for that. It looks a neat and comprehensive solution.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.687 ************************