1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 12 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 688       Contents: Re: Anything and Everything $ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T$ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T$ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T$ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T$ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T$ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T$ Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw !, Re: help with RX2600/VMS 8.2FT setup please?, Re: help with RX2600/VMS 8.2FT setup please?, Re: help with RX2600/VMS 8.2FT setup please? J F  M e z e i  F.A.Q.( Re: J F on...what else...Americans again( Re: J F on...what else...Americans again( Re: J F on...what else...Americans again( Re: J F on...what else...Americans again( Re: J F on...what else...Americans again( Re: J F on...what else...Americans again/ Re: J F says no sympathy for USA from the world  Re: Shared library creating   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2004 15:57:32 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) $ Subject: Re: Anything and Everything3 Message-ID: <Ip3o$LCvSHVc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <1102791248.180885.102500@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, jordan.henderson@gmail.com writes:  I > I've always thought that a really secure setup for eCommerce would be a G > pair of VMS machines, one facing the Internet with the Web interface, @ > the other behind it connected to it ONLY by DECNet holding theH > sensitive data utilizing an Rdb/DECnet connection (no TCPIP running on > the backend at all). > H > Even if the front end were broken into, it would be difficult for themD > to then crack into the backend.  Of course, this is using SecurityE > Through Obscurity, because if the front end were broken completely, F > you'd have access to the Rdb/DECnet link, but I think it would offer/ > some additional protection in the real world.   D The critical security aspect of such an arrangement is that the backB end is programmed to respond only to _authorized_ request, such asE "retrieve the customer name for this customer number" not to requests C that should not originate from the front end, such as "retrieve all ? customer names".  An appropriately sparse customer number space A coupled with VMS security alarms for excessive guessing completes 
 the model.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:19:41 +0200 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com>- Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T , Message-ID: <41bb4b2d$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   I agree < "Rob Brooks" <brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message' news:i$He1NdABMNT@cuebid.zko.dec.com... 6 > "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> writes:J > > Neat !! and useful. How about  7.3-1 too? We finally get to move up to > > it next year.  > J > Since V7.3-1 is not supported after the end of the calendar year (and itL > is not eligible for prior version support), there is a reluctance to spend time" > working on unsupported software. > 5 > Please note that I'm not speaking for Guy, however.  >  > --   > 1 > Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group  brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:50:24 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T + Message-ID: <41BB4F7F.197E81C@teksavvy.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:D > What makes you say that ?  While adding this feature may not be soE > crucial a job for Guy as making LMF work for Itanium, this category C > of change is what VMS Development used to call a "delighter".  It F > will not sell any additional machines per se, but it keeps the loyal > VMS fans enthused,    M I disagree. As an operating system, it is those little "unimportant" features > that Guy is addding which most improve our productivity as VMSM users/programmers/system managers. They benefit a hell of a lot more features H than the ability to build a cluster with nodes on mars , moon and earth.- (earth having more votes than moon and mars).   K VMS management has decided that VMS should only be for very large sites, at J which point the priorities do become clustering for far away backup sites,L using fancy fibre stuff for disk arrays etcm, but the vasty majorioty fo theL POTENTIAL vms customer base doesn't benefit from this. They benefit from the) neat little gadgets that Guy adds to VMS.   M The installed base doesn't quite benefit from Guy's neat little gadgets since 7 they are not availabel on the version they are running.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:39:41 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T / Message-ID: <cpfids$884$1@titan.btinternet.com>    Hi Guy,   9 > All people responded suggested they would benefit using  > this in debugging situations.   = No they didn't. I suggested it was a waste of time and money.   / >While this makes a great debugging tool it may B > also use in your applications to indicate some kind of progress.   Maybe something like: -   ) DO6 >> rmu/unload my_db my_table my_table K MYNODE::MAHER_R 18:21:35 RMU71     CPU=00:00:05.03 PF=3245 IO=4688 MEM=1150 L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----L  ELAPSED:    0 00:00:02.30  CPU: 0:00:01.81  BUFIO: 98  DIRIO: 1623  FAULTS: 1041   21750 records unloaded. L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----K MYNODE::MAHER_R 18:21:38 RMU71     CPU=00:00:06.93 PF=3286 IO=6418 MEM=1150 L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----D  ELAPSED:    0 00:00:04.59  CPU: 0:00:03.71  BUFIO: 119  DIRIO: 3332 FAULTS: 1057   55950 records unloaded. L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----0 %RMU-I-DATRECUNL,   97191 data records unloaded.  B . . . or is your wheel just that bit rounder than everybody elses?  ? > (maybe update the symbol only every 50000 loop iteration)....   I Or you could bypass the overhead of updating a DCL symbol and simply dump & the contents of local working-storage.   Regards Richard Maher   ; "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> wrote in message & news:41bb0c85$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com...9 > All people responded suggested they would benefit using ? > this in debugging situations. I might say that I was a little ; > surprised. While this makes a great debugging tool it may B > also use in your applications to indicate some kind of progress.< > Assuming I'm calculating the largest prime number, I might@ > define the symbol (in the application) to indicate what is the9 > current number being processed (maybe update the symbol & > only every 50000 loop iteration).... > = > It is always surprising to see how people use our features.  > 6 > Thank you for your valuable feedback. Keep it coming >  > Guy  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Dec 2004 15:52:26 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T 3 Message-ID: <nTjGHmY5+IWn@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <cpfids$884$1@titan.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:   : >> All people responded suggested they would benefit using  >> this in debugging situations. > ? > No they didn't. I suggested it was a waste of time and money.     E That seems a bit harsh.  It also seems a bit imperious, since I doubt F that anybody other than Guy knows how hard or easy it was to implement- (excluding the time to think about the need).   G Personally, I don't think I would benefit from this, due to how I spend  my time on VMS.   A But I am fully willing to admit that _other_ may get considerable  benefit from the feature.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:48:05 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>- Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T + Message-ID: <41BB7925.70A31485@comcast.net>    Guy Peleg wrote: > 9 > All people responded suggested they would benefit using ? > this in debugging situations. I might say that I was a little ; > surprised. While this makes a great debugging tool it may B > also use in your applications to indicate some kind of progress.< > Assuming I'm calculating the largest prime number, I might@ > define the symbol (in the application) to indicate what is the9 > current number being processed (maybe update the symbol & > only every 50000 loop iteration).... > = > It is always surprising to see how people use our features.  > 6 > Thank you for your valuable feedback. Keep it coming  @ Bravo! Excellent new feature! Will come in very handy, I'm sure!  F As there are precious few debugging tools available for DCL, how 'boutG back-porting as far as possible, preferably at least to VAX V5.5-2, and ? Alpha V6.2, V7.1-2, V7.2-2, V7.3-2 (the Alpha "landing zones").   # For future enhancements, how about:    $! DCL$CTRLT_DEBUG as a bitmap: ) $! Bit  0 = Display procedure line number % $! Bit  1 = Display all local symbols & $! Bit  2 = Display all global symbols% $! Bit  3 = Display most recent label + $! Bit  4 = Display current procedure depth . $! Bit  5 = Display current procedure filespec% $! Bit  6 = Display current statement . $! Bit  7 = Display calling procedure filespec $! Bit  8 - 15 Reserved . $ DCL$CTRLT_DEBUG == 1 + 2 + 8 + 16 + 64 + 128   $ TYPE MYPROC.COM  $!	 $LABEL_1:  $ WAIT 00:00:15  $ EXIT  	 $ @MYPROC  ^TC DJAS01::DJD 10:46:43 (DCL) CPU=00:03:49.19 PF=13455 IO=6744 MEM=187 	  LINE = 3   P1 = ""  P2 = ""  P3 = ""  P4 = ""  P5 = ""  P6 = ""  P7 = ""  P8 = ""  LABEL = "LABEL_1"
  DEPTH = 1  COMMAND = "WAIT 00:00:15"  CALLER = "SYS$COMMAND"    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:03:55 +0200 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com>- Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T , Message-ID: <41bba9ee$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:41BB7925.70A31485@comcast.net...  > Guy Peleg wrote: > > ; > > All people responded suggested they would benefit using A > > this in debugging situations. I might say that I was a little = > > surprised. While this makes a great debugging tool it may D > > also use in your applications to indicate some kind of progress.> > > Assuming I'm calculating the largest prime number, I mightB > > define the symbol (in the application) to indicate what is the; > > current number being processed (maybe update the symbol ( > > only every 50000 loop iteration).... > > ? > > It is always surprising to see how people use our features.  > > 8 > > Thank you for your valuable feedback. Keep it coming > B > Bravo! Excellent new feature! Will come in very handy, I'm sure! > H > As there are precious few debugging tools available for DCL, how 'boutI > back-porting as far as possible, preferably at least to VAX V5.5-2, and A > Alpha V6.2, V7.1-2, V7.2-2, V7.3-2 (the Alpha "landing zones").  > % > For future enhancements, how about:  > ! > $! DCL$CTRLT_DEBUG as a bitmap: + > $! Bit  0 = Display procedure line number ' > $! Bit  1 = Display all local symbols ( > $! Bit  2 = Display all global symbols' > $! Bit  3 = Display most recent label - > $! Bit  4 = Display current procedure depth 0 > $! Bit  5 = Display current procedure filespec' > $! Bit  6 = Display current statement 0 > $! Bit  7 = Display calling procedure filespec > $! Bit  8 - 15 Reserved 0 > $ DCL$CTRLT_DEBUG == 1 + 2 + 8 + 16 + 64 + 128 >  > $ TYPE MYPROC.COM  > $! > $LABEL_1:  > $ WAIT 00:00:15  > $ EXIT >  > $ @MYPROC  > ^TE > DJAS01::DJD 10:46:43 (DCL) CPU=00:03:49.19 PF=13455 IO=6744 MEM=187  >  LINE = 3 
 >  P1 = ""
 >  P2 = ""
 >  P3 = ""
 >  P4 = ""
 >  P5 = ""
 >  P6 = ""
 >  P7 = ""
 >  P8 = "" >  LABEL = "LABEL_1" >  DEPTH = 1 >  COMMAND = "WAIT 00:00:15" >  CALLER = "SYS$COMMAND"  >      Very interesting idea!   > --   > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:26:46 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>- Subject: Re: Customizing the output of CTRL-T + Message-ID: <41BBBA76.11B8E465@comcast.net>    Guy Peleg wrote: > A > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message ' > news:41BB7925.70A31485@comcast.net...  > > Guy Peleg wrote: > > > = > > > All people responded suggested they would benefit using C > > > this in debugging situations. I might say that I was a little ? > > > surprised. While this makes a great debugging tool it may F > > > also use in your applications to indicate some kind of progress.@ > > > Assuming I'm calculating the largest prime number, I mightD > > > define the symbol (in the application) to indicate what is the= > > > current number being processed (maybe update the symbol * > > > only every 50000 loop iteration).... > > > A > > > It is always surprising to see how people use our features.  > > > : > > > Thank you for your valuable feedback. Keep it coming > > D > > Bravo! Excellent new feature! Will come in very handy, I'm sure! > > J > > As there are precious few debugging tools available for DCL, how 'boutK > > back-porting as far as possible, preferably at least to VAX V5.5-2, and C > > Alpha V6.2, V7.1-2, V7.2-2, V7.3-2 (the Alpha "landing zones").  > > ' > > For future enhancements, how about:  > > # > > $! DCL$CTRLT_DEBUG as a bitmap: - > > $! Bit  0 = Display procedure line number ) > > $! Bit  1 = Display all local symbols * > > $! Bit  2 = Display all global symbols) > > $! Bit  3 = Display most recent label / > > $! Bit  4 = Display current procedure depth 2 > > $! Bit  5 = Display current procedure filespec) > > $! Bit  6 = Display current statement 2 > > $! Bit  7 = Display calling procedure filespec > > $! Bit  8 - 15 Reserved 2 > > $ DCL$CTRLT_DEBUG == 1 + 2 + 8 + 16 + 64 + 128 > >  > > $ TYPE MYPROC.COM  > > $!
 > > $LABEL_1:  > > $ WAIT 00:00:15 
 > > $ EXIT > > 
 > > $ @MYPROC  > > ^TG > > DJAS01::DJD 10:46:43 (DCL) CPU=00:03:49.19 PF=13455 IO=6744 MEM=187 
 > >  LINE = 3  > >  P1 = "" > >  P2 = "" > >  P3 = "" > >  P4 = "" > >  P5 = "" > >  P6 = "" > >  P7 = "" > >  P8 = "" > >  LABEL = "LABEL_1" > >  DEPTH = 1 > >  COMMAND = "WAIT 00:00:15" > >  CALLER = "SYS$COMMAND"  > >  >  > Very interesting idea!  G If you got into it enough you could even cook up a small program to add  a SET keyword:   SET      CTRLT_DEBUG   . 	Set or clear features of DCL Control+T debug.  %     Additional Information available:        Qualifiers>     /ALL       /CALLER   /COMMAND   /DEPTH     /GLOBAL_SYMBOLS2     /LABEL     /LINE_NUMBER         /LOCAL_SYMBOLS     /PROCEDURE  E ...set [un]set the bits. Qualifiers (including /ALL) would need to be A negatable. SET CTRLT_DEBUG/NOALL turns them all off, for example.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:35:58 GMT 3 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> % Subject: Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw ! = Message-ID: <OSIud.41396$6q2.4436@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>   
 AEF wrote: > Vance Haemmerle wrote: >>F >>   With a suitable definition of distance and "proper time" (as timeD >>elapses on your own clock), in space-time everything moves throughD >>the 4 dimensions at the "speed" of light, c.  Most of us move muchB >>more in the time dimension than the space dimensions while light) >>moves entirely in the space dimensions.  >> >>-- >>Vance Haemmerle  >  > F > Can you clarify? If everything moves at the "speed" of light, how doH > "most of us" move slower? And who's not moving slower? Only "massless"F > particles (those whose "rest mass" or "proper mass" is zero) move atD > the speed of light. I think the only known particles thought to beE > massless are photons and gravitons. (There is now some evidence for D > neutrinos having nonzero rest mass.) The rest of us have to trudge > along! >   @    The details are in a footnote (#5 for Chap 2) in "The Elegant@ Universe" by Brian Greene.  You have to think about speed thoughB all four dimensions of space-time, not just the motion through theA spatial dimensions vs the time dimension.  For space-time, if you C consider time a physical dimension, a dimension that you experience E motion in, then we move through this dimension (ct) much like we move G through the other dimensions (x,y,z).  If you define proper time as the I rate at which time elapses on an object's clock compared to a stationary  D clock, then special relativity holds that an increase in an object'sH speed though space must be acompanied by a decrease in its speed though ? time.  The total speed, the quatrature of the two, is the speed 	 of light.   @ So the answer to your question is we move along the time axis at= nearly the "speed" of light and hardly in the x,y and z axes.    -- Vance Haemmerle    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:41:46 GMT 1 From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net> 5 Subject: Re: help with RX2600/VMS 8.2FT setup please? * Message-ID: <_3Iud.3689$lZ6.1016@trnddc02>  @ >> I don't seem to be able to set the console to be the keyboardA and VGA adapter. If I select them as "console input" and "console = output" I get an error when VMS boots about it not being able < to  find a console input device. Is this expected? I set the> console to the "console" connector on the 3 headed adapter andA I can do everything from a terminal - but the bolding of selected ? lines doesn't appear to work so it's very awkward to figure out = what line you're on in the menus. The bolding works fine if I @ make the keyboard and VGA the console, but then VMS isn't happy.B (Decwindows works fine on the keyboard/vga once VMS is booted). <<  " Do you have a USB mouse connected?  F We had to have a USB keyboard and USB mouse in order to get DECWindows to work.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:53:23 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> 5 Subject: Re: help with RX2600/VMS 8.2FT setup please? > Message-ID: <DTKud.35261$up1.20263@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>  J 1) I'm not sure that the graphics output (ATI Radeon type on the MP board,E driven from the system board after system board power-up) is actually  supported as a console device.  E 2) USB mouse & keyboard will let you use the graphics as a DECwindows  display.  G 3) Use the MP console to clear the system and event logs - the flashing K light will go away (or at least go green). Read the console commands manual I carefully. Beware that the MP console runs immediately the box has power, H the main board console (BMC) only runs when the main board is powered upJ from the MP console ("CM" mode, then "PC -ON -NC") or from the front panel button.   K 4) VT100+ mode seems to work fine with a terminal emulator (eg: PowerTerm). H It doesn't work too well with a real VT (eg: VT420 in VT100 mode). I useK PowerTerm with a 9pin serial cable connected to the MP console, then attach = from the MP console to the BMC console with the "CO" command.   E You might find these slides from a recent User Group talk useful. See D http://www.xdelta.co.uk/seminars.html and look for the 8th Dec. 2004 session.   --     Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk L Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 01:47:37 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG5 Subject: Re: help with RX2600/VMS 8.2FT setup please? 0 Message-ID: <00A3C34B.1C8EC1B7@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <DTKud.35261$up1.20263@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> writes:K >1) I'm not sure that the graphics output (ATI Radeon type on the MP board, F >driven from the system board after system board power-up) is actually >supported as a console device.  > F >2) USB mouse & keyboard will let you use the graphics as a DECwindows	 >display.  > H >3) Use the MP console to clear the system and event logs - the flashingL >light will go away (or at least go green). Read the console commands manualJ >carefully. Beware that the MP console runs immediately the box has power,I >the main board console (BMC) only runs when the main board is powered up K >from the MP console ("CM" mode, then "PC -ON -NC") or from the front panel  >button. > L >4) VT100+ mode seems to work fine with a terminal emulator (eg: PowerTerm).I >It doesn't work too well with a real VT (eg: VT420 in VT100 mode). I use L >PowerTerm with a 9pin serial cable connected to the MP console, then attach> >from the MP console to the BMC console with the "CO" command.  B Sounds like the spiel/spewage that HP is pushing.  Anythign to try9 to push a BillyBox(tm) running small-n-flaccid warez(tm).   E I have one on a VT525 and, with the exception of the ugly ansi color  D sequences I have yet to figure out how to eschew, it works just fine with the console.     E At the HP development forum, I used a simple Xterm on my Powerbook G4 B and a UBS/serial connector to connect to the RX2600.  No problems.  C I just acquired a Socket BlueTooth serial adapter.  Plugged it into C the the Itanium console with the null-modem adaptor that it shipped : with and connected via kermit and an Xterm.  No problem.    D I do have a real honest to goodness VT100 here on mothballs that I'dD like to try with this but I don't have the heart to open up a still ' factory sealed box jusrt for academics.    --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 05:40:01 +0100 (CET) % From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>  Subject: J F  M e z e i  F.A.Q. 8 Message-ID: <e8897af756f5dd666a9051a9e5f419cc@dizum.com>   FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS    About JF MEZEI  @ The "nobody" troll of rec.travel.air and "John Doe" troll of the sci.space.* newsgroups.    (Revised Dec. 10, 2004)    Written by:    Darrell Larose 121 Northwestern Ave Ottawa, ON K1Y 0M1 (613) 725-0245 cota348@rogers.com ad607@FreeNet.Carleton.CA    1.  Who is JF Mezei?  C Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever C hit rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is also 4 one of the longest running trolls in usenet history.  C ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME AND C E-MAIL ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS  THEIR MESSAGES.***  E If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitor E the control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled your < messages, forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and abuse@astraweb.com .  " 2.  How long has he been trolling?   For well over a decade.    3.  Where does he live?    Montreal, Quebec, Canada   Jean-Francois Mezei  86 Harwood Gate  Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3  (514) 992-0474 (514) 695-8259  9 His current e-mail addresses are jfmezei@teksavvy.com and  jfmezei@vaxination.ca .   ) His website is http://www.vaxination.ca .   * 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll?  C His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades D your newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, dayF in and day out, every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He@ does not listen to pleas to stop, he does not listen to anything4 anyone tells him, he does not pay attention when theA misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just goes C right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his F ears closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"    5.  What does he troll about?   F His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  HeB hates the USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn itC into a USA-bashing fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just start  making lewd posts.  $ 6.  What does he hate about the USA?  E Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have E a visceral hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a B happier, better, more successful version of their country and they> can't stand it.  Some of JF's favorite troll bait is "the BushC regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis of evil", "Americans are B brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are stupid" etc.  # 7.  What about his sexual trolling?   E Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre. > Among his favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women'sA genitalia, sex toys, circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of   course) ... the list is endless.   8.  Circumcision???   F Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes< to insert circumcision into his trolling every now and then.C Apparently, JF was traumatized as a child because his parents, poor B Hungarian immigrants to Canada, left him uncircumcised when he wasB born, as is the custom in most of the world.  Growing up in Canada@ where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time, he was? psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could he @ arranged to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades ofE circumcision proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a @ free willy.  His main argument is how much better he was able toB masturbate after getting circumcised without that "pesky foreskin"F getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has made it his mission in' life to spread the circumcision gospel.   @ 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky.   @ Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among theE subjects dear to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, E especially little boy's foreskins (and how tight they are) and little @ girls' hymens.  He is also a tireless activist and advocate thatC children should be taught to masturbate early on so that they don't , grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".  E He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their C little boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, F proper movement, and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.A Utopia for JF would be a world full of parents manipulating their  little boys' penises.   @ 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the+ minute!  Are you sure about all this stuff?   D Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a' decade full of Mezei trolling in there.   C 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the  time like all trolls do?  B Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling aliases.   A 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he  work?   E Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, a C grown man who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and @ trolls the newsgroups all night.  In his free time when he isn'tF trolling he likes to ride his bike down to Dorval Airport and race the# planes down the runway in his bike.   9 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?   D Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he neverA got past the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor F (i.e. "pull my finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.  C 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about  them, is that true?   @ Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in theB locker room.  He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has= seen in locker rooms over the years, especially his unnatural F obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the men in locker rooms trying toB measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is left if theyF have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case of phimosis.  @ 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insane asylum!  D Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin; foil hat world where others are out to get him.  The key to F understanding JF is that he sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the worldD is out to get him, especially the USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about.  D What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian railD system was "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut,D spotting trains, writing down their numbers and chasing them down atB the train yard like a good freak.  Then he turned his attention toC aviation.  Major events that made him fall head first deep into the C abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines and their subsequent F takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid is he thatE when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employees D went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to coverE up the Air Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of ; the crash investigation.  He has never recovered from this.   6 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!  F His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to someE ancient, arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken A seriously for decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits and C social dropouts who share his psychological traumas, crying for the 1 good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!   ! 17.  Where else does he hang out?   @ can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geekyD computer groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster heB invaded the sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, andF trolled it relentlessly with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crapE he's so famous for.  But they ran him off that group and he had to go D crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail between his legs, licking his wounds.   A 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and  doesn't troll.  F Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so> he slips in troll bait every now and then, but by and large heA respects comp.os.vms, and, more importantly, he tries to hide his A trolling activities from them so they won't find out what a major  netkook he is.  F 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho he is!  E Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And while F you're at it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido? too.  And to alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and  news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.  4 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address?  D Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:   * abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com abuse@teranews.com  7 You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.    TekSavvy Solutions Inc.  330 Richmond St., Suite 205  Chatham, ON, Canada  N7M 1P7   D And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups,C email it to people, you may host it at your own website, send it to D newspapers and magazines that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.      *** APPENDIX ***  @ List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over theF years.  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You have no right to complain about theJ >> >>>measures americans requested. After all, you are scared shit of someI >> >>>terrorist and have repeatedly said on US TV that you are willing to G >> >>>undergo whatever measures ans searching is necessary to catch thetK >> >>>terrorists. Your government is merely doing what you are asking it toG >> >do.  >>5 >> Whether you like it or not, his comments are true.  >>H >> I live in the US and, unlike you, I welcome any comments about the US >> by anybody. >># >> I can handle criticism--Can you?  >> >G >> >>For someone who hates the US so much, you sure spend an inordinate.H >> >>amount of time watching US television.  And reading US papers.  AndJ >> >>talking about the US.  And obsessing about the US.  And ranting about2 >> >>the US.  And trolling about the US on usenet. >> >A >> >Surely the "Treasonable Actions by Aliens Regulations" forbid: >> >non-citizens >> >discussing such matters? >> >> >d= > Here is my thorie, not just the US but in KaKanada also...- >- > In US,L > Over $500 billions, because their was 6,000 dead (max for the last decade) > because of terrorists.F > How much was finance by the gouvernement in research for cancer for 
 > exemple?? > close to $0. That is for x millions dead in the last decade).A  /       1.  Learn how to spell, and some grammar.-D     2.  What's your point?  That the government is paying to combat - terrorism at the expense of medical research?e > H > Where should the priority go? Unless, the american governement (we the1 > people) doesn't care about the peolpe who dies.a >n >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:21:11 GMTy- From: john <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> 1 Subject: Re: J F on...what else...Americans againr8 Message-ID: <bm3nr0tg7lefjulntk9pgursuh8cp3er1d@4ax.com>  5 On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:13:29 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews" & <frankfmatthews@houston.rr.com> wrote:   >u >o >john wrote: >hF >> On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:06:19 GMT, Zippy <zipadeedoda@no.com> wrote: >> a >>  ) >>>On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:14:56 GMT, johno, >>><z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>e >>>eG >>>>On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:22:24 GMT, Zippy <zipadeedoda@no.com> wrote:i >>>> >>>>+ >>>>>On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:53:09 GMT, john . >>>>><z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>. >>>>> C >>>>>>On 10 Dec 2004 03:37:56 -0800, semiretired@my-deja.com wrote:  >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Nomen Nescio wrote: >>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>JF Mezei wrote >>>>>>>-3 >>>>>>>>>re: stories of strip searches in airports.0L >>>>>>>>>Look, you guys re-elected the very government that instituted thoseM >>>>>>>>>measures in the first place. You have no right to complain about theaM >>>>>>>>>measures americans requested. After all, you are scared shit of sometL >>>>>>>>>terrorist and have repeatedly said on US TV that you are willing toJ >>>>>>>>>undergo whatever measures ans searching is necessary to catch theN >>>>>>>>>terrorists. Your government is merely doing what you are asking it to >>>>>>>s
 >>>>>>>do. >>>>>>8 >>>>>>Whether you like it or not, his comments are true. >>>>>>K >>>>>>I live in the US and, unlike you, I welcome any comments about the USn >>>>>>by anybody.r >>>>>>& >>>>>>I can handle criticism--Can you? >>>>>  >>>>>yJ >>>>>Criticism from JF is a different story.  His comments don't mean SHITJ >>>>>in the real world.  He hasn't seen the real world in years.  Even hisH >>>>>fellow Canadians are waiting for him to come out of the basement so' >>>>>they can beat the crap out of him.D >>>> >>>># >>>>Oh, I see, selective criticism.r >>>>I >>>>Have you made up a list of who HAS YOUR APPROVAL to  criticize the USe< >>>>and who does not have your approval to criticize the US? >>>> >>>> >>>>YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!i >>>  >>>l+ >>>I handle the truth just fine, thank you.k2 >>>John & JF---Butt Buddies? or just good friends. >> p >> n >> , >> I ask you again:e >> oH >> Have you made up a list of who HAS YOUR APPROVAL to  criticize the US; >> and who does not have your approval to criticize the US?r >o >.I >It's not that he said that JF couldn't criticize  Zippy was just saying  9 >that it wasn't worth paying attention to his criticisms.r >! >c >e     Look, JF said:  E " Look, you guys re-elected the very government that instituted thoselE  measures in the first place. You have no right to complain about theaE  measures americans requested. After all, you are scared shit of somehD  terrorist and have repeatedly said on US TV that you are willing toB  undergo whatever measures ans searching is necessary to catch theF  terrorists. Your government is merely doing what you are asking it to do."    ) There is a lot of truth to that statemente      ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:07:39 -0500r! From: "Joseph" <miom@moimiom.org>a1 Subject: Re: J F on...what else...Americans againr: Message-ID: <LWLud.34385$bD6.1562350@wagner.videotron.net>  0 "Jeff Hacker" <jhacker@usa.net> wrote in message8 news:4hLud.42846$Al3.10683@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com... > . > "Joseph" <miom@moimiom.org> wrote in message5 > news:uPkud.29997$bD6.742784@wagner.videotron.net...P > >"> > > "john" <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message6 > > news:bskjr0th5gccdsu0r2h31aejjtaqitg6pg@4ax.com...B > >> On 10 Dec 2004 03:37:56 -0800, semiretired@my-deja.com wrote: > >> > >> >Nomen Nescio wrote:e > >> >>JF Mezei wrotea > >> >2 > >> >>>re: stories of strip searches in airports.K > >> >>>Look, you guys re-elected the very government that instituted thoseVL > >> >>>measures in the first place. You have no right to complain about theL > >> >>>measures americans requested. After all, you are scared shit of someK > >> >>>terrorist and have repeatedly said on US TV that you are willing togI > >> >>>undergo whatever measures ans searching is necessary to catch the@J > >> >>>terrorists. Your government is merely doing what you are asking it to	 > >> >do.  > >>7 > >> Whether you like it or not, his comments are true.n > >>J > >> I live in the US and, unlike you, I welcome any comments about the US > >> by anybody. > >>% > >> I can handle criticism--Can you?u > >> >I > >> >>For someone who hates the US so much, you sure spend an inordinateaJ > >> >>amount of time watching US television.  And reading US papers.  AndL > >> >>talking about the US.  And obsessing about the US.  And ranting about4 > >> >>the US.  And trolling about the US on usenet. > >> >C > >> >Surely the "Treasonable Actions by Aliens Regulations" forbid  > >> >non-citizens > >> >discussing such matters? > >> > >> > >r? > > Here is my thorie, not just the US but in KaKanada also...  > >s
 > > In US,F > > Over $500 billions, because their was 6,000 dead (max for the last decade)s > > because of terrorists.G > > How much was finance by the gouvernement in research for cancer forl > > exemple?A > > close to $0. That is for x millions dead in the last decade).D >G1 >       1.  Learn how to spell, and some grammar.eE >     2.  What's your point?  That the government is paying to combata/ > terrorism at the expense of medical research?r > > J > > Where should the priority go? Unless, the american governement (we the3 > > people) doesn't care about the peolpe who dies.u > >  > >m >  >   & My english is not that good, I know...  J It's a question of logic and not related to any particular country, but inI the US it's more obvious. Spending $ 500 Billions because there was 6 000 K dead versus $ 6 billions for x millions dead (cancer). If i would be really=L interrested in saving the lives of  the people, the budget would be reverse.  L If I had the intention of protecting my country against terrorists (look forL the definition of terrorist), i would protect my borders first. That is, theJ physical borders, the airports, the mail, communication system, etc. AfterH that, the infrastructure in my country, chemical plants, nuclear plants, etc.  G Never a preemptive strike! I pittied Powell (how could he do it withoutgL laughing) when he presented his proof at the UN. A picture of a truck! Shame" on him for taking me for an idiot!  I Democracy cannot be impose. It have to come from "we the people". France, K England, Russia and the US are mostly to blame for what is going on, in thegL arab world. What we see know, is the result of their interventions since theA last 100 years. We made the terrotist, we are responsible for theoK destruction of there country. "We the people", by voting for those animals,: made it so.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:15:54 -0500e! From: "Joseph" <miom@moimiom.org>t1 Subject: Re: J F on...what else...Americans again : Message-ID: <A2Mud.34390$bD6.1566320@wagner.videotron.net>  H "Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>A wrote in message news:00A3C249.A8E5957A@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU...pD > In article <uPkud.29997$bD6.742784@wagner.videotron.net>, "Joseph" <miom@moimiom.org> writes: > > = > >"john" <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote in messagea5 > >news:bskjr0th5gccdsu0r2h31aejjtaqitg6pg@4ax.com... B > >> On 10 Dec 2004 03:37:56 -0800, semiretired@my-deja.com wrote: > >> > >> >Nomen Nescio wrote:e > >> >>JF Mezei wroted > >> >2 > >> >>>re: stories of strip searches in airports.K > >> >>>Look, you guys re-elected the very government that instituted thoseeL > >> >>>measures in the first place. You have no right to complain about theL > >> >>>measures americans requested. After all, you are scared shit of someK > >> >>>terrorist and have repeatedly said on US TV that you are willing toiI > >> >>>undergo whatever measures ans searching is necessary to catch thepJ > >> >>>terrorists. Your government is merely doing what you are asking it to	 > >> >do.  > >>7 > >> Whether you like it or not, his comments are true.d > >>J > >> I live in the US and, unlike you, I welcome any comments about the US > >> by anybody. > >>% > >> I can handle criticism--Can you?  > >> >I > >> >>For someone who hates the US so much, you sure spend an inordinate J > >> >>amount of time watching US television.  And reading US papers.  AndL > >> >>talking about the US.  And obsessing about the US.  And ranting about4 > >> >>the US.  And trolling about the US on usenet. > >> >C > >> >Surely the "Treasonable Actions by Aliens Regulations" forbid  > >> >non-citizens > >> >discussing such matters? > >> > >> > > > > >Here is my thorie, not just the US but in KaKanada also... > >y	 > >In US, E > >Over $500 billions, because their was 6,000 dead (max for the last: decade)  > >because of terrorists.  >aL > The argument would be, rather, all that money to make America safer in theK > future.  (I'm not convinced that this is the way to go about it, but it'sO not a 9 > $500 billion line item labeled punishment and revenge.)U > F > >How much was finance by the gouvernement in research for cancer for exemple?@ > >close to $0. That is for x millions dead in the last decade). >a9 > According to the National Cancer Institute Web Site, at  >f6 > http://plan.cancer.gov/pdf/nci_2006_plan.pdf#page=56 >oJ > the Federal Budget request for FY2005 for the National Cancer Institutes was/F > almost five billion dollars, and the request for FY2006 is about six billion H > dollars.  (Billion = thousand million, for those playing along outside North  > America.)l >vH > I'm not saying anything here about your larger point, but five billion dollarsOJ > isn't very close to zero.  You need to pick a better example if you want to6 > convince anybody who doesn't already agree with you. >nJ > (I haven't found out what actually _happened_ to the five billion dollar budgetK > request in the big omnibus budget scramble.  But agencies tend to ask foruH > inflationary increases of their previous year's budgets unless they've gottenL > Congressional or Presidential signals that they should start expensive newI > initiatives, so that five billion is probably not that much higher thanf they > actually _got_ in FY2004.) >s > >?I > >Where should the priority go? Unless, the american governement (we thez2 > >people) doesn't care about the peolpe who dies. >o	 > -- Alans >o   Thanks for the numbers...o  L But i see that you understand my point. To me, it doesn't make sense. In oneK hand you have millions that dies and millions more to come and on the othereL hand, you have half a dozen thousand who died. Where should be your priorityF (money wise) if you would be really interrested in the welfare of your country man?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 01:16:24 GMTm- From: john <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> 1 Subject: Re: J F on...what else...Americans againe8 Message-ID: <9q6nr05mpjqtutp0f4m0n573h9enmk2824@4ax.com>  A On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:20:32 GMT, "Jeff Hacker" <jhacker@usa.net>  wrote:   >     E >    2.  What's your point?  That the government is paying to combat p. >terrorism at the expense of medical research?    F The government is paying for the war on terrorism and the Iraqi war at* the expense of ALL domestic expendiitures.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 05:21:50 GMTi9 From: "Frank F. Matthews" <frankfmatthews@houston.rr.com>h1 Subject: Re: J F on...what else...Americans againa2 Message-ID: <OzQud.27069$Eq.9730@fe1.texas.rr.com>   john wrote:4  7 > On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:13:29 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"n( > <frankfmatthews@houston.rr.com> wrote: >  >  >>
 >>john wrote:g >> >>F >>>On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:06:19 GMT, Zippy <zipadeedoda@no.com> wrote: >>>  >>>  >>>e* >>>>On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:14:56 GMT, john- >>>><z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote:n >>>> >>>> >>>>H >>>>>On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:22:24 GMT, Zippy <zipadeedoda@no.com> wrote: >>>>>I >>>>>e >>>>>l, >>>>>>On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:53:09 GMT, john/ >>>>>><z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote:  >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>D >>>>>>>On 10 Dec 2004 03:37:56 -0800, semiretired@my-deja.com wrote: >>>>>>>n >>>>>>>o >>>>>>>m >>>>>>>>Nomen Nescio wrote:i >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>JF Mezei wroteb >>>>>>>>4 >>>>>>>>>>re: stories of strip searches in airports.M >>>>>>>>>>Look, you guys re-elected the very government that instituted those N >>>>>>>>>>measures in the first place. You have no right to complain about theN >>>>>>>>>>measures americans requested. After all, you are scared shit of someM >>>>>>>>>>terrorist and have repeatedly said on US TV that you are willing to2K >>>>>>>>>>undergo whatever measures ans searching is necessary to catch theuO >>>>>>>>>>terrorists. Your government is merely doing what you are asking it toe >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>do.  >>>>>>>m9 >>>>>>>Whether you like it or not, his comments are true.  >>>>>>>oL >>>>>>>I live in the US and, unlike you, I welcome any comments about the US >>>>>>>by anybody. >>>>>>>e' >>>>>>>I can handle criticism--Can you?  >>>>>> >>>>>>K >>>>>>Criticism from JF is a different story.  His comments don't mean SHITnK >>>>>>in the real world.  He hasn't seen the real world in years.  Even hisrI >>>>>>fellow Canadians are waiting for him to come out of the basement sop( >>>>>>they can beat the crap out of him. >>>>>C >>>>>r$ >>>>>Oh, I see, selective criticism. >>>>>eJ >>>>>Have you made up a list of who HAS YOUR APPROVAL to  criticize the US= >>>>>and who does not have your approval to criticize the US?o >>>>>  >>>>>9  >>>>>YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! >>>> >>>>, >>>>I handle the truth just fine, thank you.3 >>>>John & JF---Butt Buddies? or just good friends.e >>>e >>>m >>>c >>>I ask you again:s >>> H >>>Have you made up a list of who HAS YOUR APPROVAL to  criticize the US; >>>and who does not have your approval to criticize the US?c >> >>J >>It's not that he said that JF couldn't criticize  Zippy was just saying : >>that it wasn't worth paying attention to his criticisms. >> >> >> >  >  >  > Look, JF said: > G > " Look, you guys re-elected the very government that instituted those G >  measures in the first place. You have no right to complain about the G >  measures americans requested. After all, you are scared shit of somecF >  terrorist and have repeatedly said on US TV that you are willing toD >  undergo whatever measures ans searching is necessary to catch theH >  terrorists. Your government is merely doing what you are asking it to > do." >  > + > There is a lot of truth to that statemente >       > I'm not arguing values or truth except to note that Zippy said  F "Criticism from JF is a different story.  His comments don't mean SHITE in the real world.  He hasn't seen the real world in years.  Even his C fellow Canadians are waiting for him to come out of the basement som# they can beat the crap out of him."n  F That is not a denial of his right to criticize but a rejection of the H value of the criticism.  You are the one who said that he had a list of  who was permitted to criticize.o   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:10:06 +0100 (CET)m% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>r8 Subject: Re: J F says no sympathy for USA from the world8 Message-ID: <fc7854a2c4aebd7ccfa1d7f080de4c96@dizum.com>  ) JF Mezei <jfmezei@vaxination.ca> trolled:s   >WizardryOf wrote:* >> And the common denominator to all these* >> murderers is that they are all MUSLIMS. >wL >Tim McVeigh wasn't muslim. The IRA aren't Muslim, ETA, Red Brigade, FLQ and >any others are not muslim.  >eO >The common denominator is that they are humans who feel opressed and who can'ty< >see any other way to get attention to solve their problems. >0J >Terrorists are far more complex beings than the USA wants its citizens toJ >understand. Misreading true intentions/needs of terrorists is the biggestO >mistake you can make because you end up making terrorists even more determined ' >to strike when your response is wrong.h >lJ >The USA should be put in a playpen until it is mature enough to deal withI >terrorism in an intelligent way instead of sending bombs left and right.m >oL >Military force isn't the answer to terrorism. Unfortinatly, americans don'tO >understand that and have reelected a war mongering goverment who just wants to @ >show its military power even if it means committing war crimes. >!M >When terrorists next strike at the USA, there will be far less sympathy fromoO >the rest of the world, and the USA will get a lot of "I told you so" messages.   F Most Americans don't give a damn about "I told you so" messages comingC from unemployed adult babies like yourself being eaten up inside byR intense jealousy of the USA.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:18:13 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>$ Subject: Re: Shared library creatingD Message-ID: <craigberry-EB41DC.22181311122004@news.isp.giganews.com>  + In article <cperfr$h26$1@bozon2.softax.pl>, 9  Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> wrote:d  I > Does anybody know how to determine automatically what option shuold be u > used in options file4 > when we create shared library from object library.  " Read the Shareable Image Cookbook:  ; http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/swdev/ovms-shexe-cook.html   0 and of course the OpenVMS Linker Utility manual:  7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/4548/4548PRO.HTMLs   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.688 ************************