1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 15 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 694       Contents:* Re: CSWS 2.0 - newbie help needed again...* Re: CSWS 2.0 - newbie help needed again... Debugging shared executables  Re: Debugging shared executables, Re: help with RX2600/VMS 8.2FT setup please?, Re: help with RX2600/VMS 8.2FT setup please?, Re: help with RX2600/VMS 8.2FT setup please?, Re: help with RX2600/VMS 8.2FT setup please? Re: Is this still RTA????????  Re: SIMH setup Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file  TCPIP V5.4 and LPD
 Re: VMS V1 we need your es45 systems < [Nomex on]: Security research suggests Linux has fewer flaws  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:59:32 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: CSWS 2.0 - newbie help needed again... + Message-ID: <41BFA894.AEC4B252@comcast.net>    "Schroeder, AJ" wrote: >  > Hello, > D > I wrote this list before on PHP failing and it was my error in notI > completley reading the documentation under the '7.3-1 patches required' M > section, and I assume that my next question will fall along the same lines.  > H > I have enabled the UserDir directive and defined the home dir on CSWS,L > however, every time I navigate to http://server/~user I get the 'ForbiddenL > 403' message. Whenever I would get that in the past on *nix, it was alwaysI > releated to permissions, so I googled for the answer and found that the L > APACHE$WWW user needs read on the home dir of the user and read+execute onL > the public_html folder and files underneath. I set that up and the resultsH > are below. The only other thing that I can think of is that I have theK > httpd.conf set-up wrong, but no matter how I set up the directory I still  > get the 403. > L > I think I have everything set up properly as far as security is concerned,F > and after messing with everything that I saw on google, please help! >  > $ SHO SECURITY HOME.DIR  > 9 > DISK$HOMES-CSWS:[000000]HOME.DIR;1 object of class FILE  >      Owner: [SYSTEM]A >      Protection: (System: RWE, Owner: RWE, Group: RE, World: E)  >      Access Control List: : >           (IDENTIFIER=[AP_HTTPD,APACHE$WWW],ACCESS=READ)  A ACE needs EXECUTE access to allow processes to traverse the tree.   # > $ SHO SECURITY [HOME]AJSCHROE.DIR  > ; > DISK$HOMES-CSWS:[HOME]AJSCHROE.DIR;1 object of class FILE  >      Owner: [AJSCHROE]E >      Protection: (System: RWED, Owner: RWED, Group: RWED, World: R)  >      Access Control List: : >           (IDENTIFIER=[AP_HTTPD,APACHE$WWW],ACCESS=READ)  A ACE needs EXECUTE access to allow processes to traverse the tree.   / > $ SHO SECURITY [HOME.AJSCHROE]PUBLIC_HTML.DIR  > G > DISK$HOMES-CSWS:[HOME.AJSCHROE]PUBLIC_HTML.DIR;1 object of class FILE  >      Owner: [AJSCHROE]B >      Protection: (System: RWE, Owner: RWE, Group: RWE, World: R) >      Access Control List: B >           (IDENTIFIER=[AP_HTTPD,APACHE$WWW],ACCESS=READ+EXECUTE)   This one should be correct.   6 > $ SHO SECURITY [HOME.AJSCHROE.PUBLIC_HTML]INDEX.HTML > N > DISK$HOMES-CSWS:[HOME.AJSCHROE.PUBLIC_HTML]INDEX.HTML;1 object of class FILE >      Owner: [AJSCHROE]E >      Protection: (System: RWED, Owner: RWED, Group: RWED, World: R)  >      Access Control List: B >           (IDENTIFIER=[AP_HTTPD,APACHE$WWW],ACCESS=READ+EXECUTE)  A EXECUTE access should be meaningless in this context, unless CSWS   requires it for whatever reason.   Hope this helps...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Dec 2004 20:51:30 -0800% From: "Tony" <tonymcg27@yahoo.com.au> 3 Subject: Re: CSWS 2.0 - newbie help needed again... C Message-ID: <1103086290.189910.202930@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Schroeder, AJ wrote: > Hello, > D > I wrote this list before on PHP failing and it was my error in not? > completley reading the documentation under the '7.3-1 patches 	 required' F > section, and I assume that my next question will fall along the same lines. > B > I have enabled the UserDir directive and defined the home dir on CSWS, A > however, every time I navigate to http://server/~user I get the 
 'ForbiddenE > 403' message. Whenever I would get that in the past on *nix, it was  alwaysE > releated to permissions, so I googled for the answer and found that  the < > APACHE$WWW user needs read on the home dir of the user and read+execute on D > the public_html folder and files underneath. I set that up and the results D > are below. The only other thing that I can think of is that I have the E > httpd.conf set-up wrong, but no matter how I set up the directory I  still  > get the 403. > A > I think I have everything set up properly as far as security is 
 concerned,F > and after messing with everything that I saw on google, please help! >  >  > $ SHO SECURITY HOME.DIR  > 9 > DISK$HOMES-CSWS:[000000]HOME.DIR;1 object of class FILE  >      Owner: [SYSTEM]A >      Protection: (System: RWE, Owner: RWE, Group: RE, World: E)  >      Access Control List: : >           (IDENTIFIER=[AP_HTTPD,APACHE$WWW],ACCESS=READ)# > $ SHO SECURITY [HOME]AJSCHROE.DIR  > ; > DISK$HOMES-CSWS:[HOME]AJSCHROE.DIR;1 object of class FILE  >      Owner: [AJSCHROE]E >      Protection: (System: RWED, Owner: RWED, Group: RWED, World: R)  >      Access Control List: : >           (IDENTIFIER=[AP_HTTPD,APACHE$WWW],ACCESS=READ)/ > $ SHO SECURITY [HOME.AJSCHROE]PUBLIC_HTML.DIR  > G > DISK$HOMES-CSWS:[HOME.AJSCHROE]PUBLIC_HTML.DIR;1 object of class FILE  >      Owner: [AJSCHROE]B >      Protection: (System: RWE, Owner: RWE, Group: RWE, World: R) >      Access Control List: B >           (IDENTIFIER=[AP_HTTPD,APACHE$WWW],ACCESS=READ+EXECUTE)6 > $ SHO SECURITY [HOME.AJSCHROE.PUBLIC_HTML]INDEX.HTML > C > DISK$HOMES-CSWS:[HOME.AJSCHROE.PUBLIC_HTML]INDEX.HTML;1 object of 
 class FILE >      Owner: [AJSCHROE]E >      Protection: (System: RWED, Owner: RWED, Group: RWED, World: R)  >      Access Control List: B >           (IDENTIFIER=[AP_HTTPD,APACHE$WWW],ACCESS=READ+EXECUTE) > $  >  >  >  > Thanks in advance, >  > AJ Schroeder  	 G'day AJ, = Given that the name of the disk is DISK$HOMES-CSWS: I get the F impression that you've setup a disk specifically for CSWS. But is thatC where SYSUAF thinks that you're SYS$LOGIN directory is? As far as I G know the relevant module in Apache looks in the SYSUAF file to get your = default device and directory. It then will expect to find the 6 PUBLIC_HTML directory to be a subdirectory below that. Cheers from Oz,  Tony ---  Tony McGrath9 OpenVMS System Administrator, Corporate IT, Toll Holdings " Doveton, Victoria, Australia, 3177# tony_mcgrath at toll dot com dot au    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Dec 2004 19:25:40 EST, From: "Paul Dembry" <pade@nospam.trifox.com>% Subject: Debugging shared executables 0 Message-ID: <cpo0a4$b5b@dispatch.concentric.net>  E How do I set a breakpoint in a shared executable? My main dynamically D (dlopen) loads a shared executable identified by an exec define, eg.K define/exec cow dka100:[bin]cow.exe. cow.exe has an entry point, sow. After K my main has loaded cow.exe, how can I get debug to set a breakpoint at sow? F When I try the obvious, set break sow, it never finds the entry point. Thanks,  Paul   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:36:45 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ) Subject: Re: Debugging shared executables 2 Message-ID: <NyMvd.4442$CG2.3302@news.cpqcorp.net>  _ In article <cpo0a4$b5b@dispatch.concentric.net>, "Paul Dembry" <pade@nospam.trifox.com> writes: F :How do I set a breakpoint in a shared executable? My main dynamicallyE :(dlopen) loads a shared executable identified by an exec define, eg. L :define/exec cow dka100:[bin]cow.exe. cow.exe has an entry point, sow. AfterL :my main has loaded cow.exe, how can I get debug to set a breakpoint at sow?G :When I try the obvious, set break sow, it never finds the entry point.   I   Tried something like SET IMAGE COW, SET MODULE/ALL, then SET BREAK SOW? G   (This would likely have to be executed after the image is activated.) H   (I've not tried this sequence, but -- for those that want to play withH   the code or the debugger in this area, there is example code posted in   Ask The Wizard (2486).)   G   You can also step into the image, and then set a breakpoint -- that's    a common approach.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:31:37 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 5 Subject: Re: help with RX2600/VMS 8.2FT setup please? 2 Message-ID: <ZtMvd.4441$CG2.1693@news.cpqcorp.net>   In article <rdeininger-1212040931040001@user-105n8gv.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes:: :In article <00A3C34B.1C8EC1B7@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  :@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  : N :>>4) VT100+ mode seems to work fine with a terminal emulator (eg: PowerTerm).K :>>It doesn't work too well with a real VT (eg: VT420 in VT100 mode). I use N :>>PowerTerm with a 9pin serial cable connected to the MP console, then attach@ :>>from the MP console to the BMC console with the "CO" command. : F :I've had good luck with vt420s and vt3xx series terminals.  I haven't :found a vt100 to try.  C   I've been using a VT320 as a console for quite some time, and it  C   works just fine -- some of the older rx2600 firmware was a little B   flakey with the console handling of the serial terminal display,?   but I've not noticed any particular weirdness with any of the    recent firmware.  E   If you hit anything weird in the handling of the terminal display,  D   do please let us know and we'll pass it along to the proper folks.E   (We could use the command(s) needed to reproduce the display error, E   of course -- and the output from a display controls or similar such    would be ideal.)    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:01:44 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> 5 Subject: Re: help with RX2600/VMS 8.2FT setup please? A Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041214190015.024c8f58@raptor.psccos.com>   + At 06:31 PM 12/14/2004, Hoff Hoffman wrote: D >   I've been using a VT320 as a console for quite some time, and itE >   works just fine -- some of the older rx2600 firmware was a little D >   flakey with the console handling of the serial terminal display,A >   but I've not noticed any particular weirdness with any of the  >   recent firmware. > F >   If you hit anything weird in the handling of the terminal display,F >   do please let us know and we'll pass it along to the proper folks.G >   (We could use the command(s) needed to reproduce the display error, G >   of course -- and the output from a display controls or similar such  >   would be ideal.)  I Does this mean there are firmware updates?  On mine, the console switches K randomly to reverse video, etc. when booting.  I'm accessing it via telnet. ( I got this machine around December 2003.   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:53:49 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG5 Subject: Re: help with RX2600/VMS 8.2FT setup please? 0 Message-ID: <00A3C5A7.799B59B5@SendSpamHere.ORG>  X In article <ZtMvd.4441$CG2.1693@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: >In article <rdeininger-1212040931040001@user-105n8gv.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes: ; >:In article <00A3C34B.1C8EC1B7@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-   >:@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >:O >:>>4) VT100+ mode seems to work fine with a terminal emulator (eg: PowerTerm). L >:>>It doesn't work too well with a real VT (eg: VT420 in VT100 mode). I useO >:>>PowerTerm with a 9pin serial cable connected to the MP console, then attach A >:>>from the MP console to the BMC console with the "CO" command.  >:G >:I've had good luck with vt420s and vt3xx series terminals.  I haven't  >:found a vt100 to try.  > D >  I've been using a VT320 as a console for quite some time, and it D >  works just fine -- some of the older rx2600 firmware was a littleC >  flakey with the console handling of the serial terminal display, @ >  but I've not noticed any particular weirdness with any of the >  recent firmware.  > F >  If you hit anything weird in the handling of the terminal display, E >  do please let us know and we'll pass it along to the proper folks. F >  (We could use the command(s) needed to reproduce the display error,F >  of course -- and the output from a display controls or similar such >  would be ideal.)   C I'd love to see <esc>[m at the initial copyright statement to reset E my terminal to normal.  I've patched out the HP in the initial state-  ment to clear it for now.    --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 02:47:57 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) 5 Subject: Re: help with RX2600/VMS 8.2FT setup please? L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1412042147590001@user-uinj4rv.dialup.mindspring.com>  E In article <6.1.2.0.2.20041214190015.024c8f58@raptor.psccos.com>, Dan " O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote:  , >At 06:31 PM 12/14/2004, Hoff Hoffman wrote:E >>   I've been using a VT320 as a console for quite some time, and it F >>   works just fine -- some of the older rx2600 firmware was a littleE >>   flakey with the console handling of the serial terminal display, B >>   but I've not noticed any particular weirdness with any of the >>   recent firmware.  >>G >>   If you hit anything weird in the handling of the terminal display, G >>   do please let us know and we'll pass it along to the proper folks. H >>   (We could use the command(s) needed to reproduce the display error,H >>   of course -- and the output from a display controls or similar such >>   would be ideal.)  > J >Does this mean there are firmware updates?  On mine, the console switchesL >randomly to reverse video, etc. when booting.  I'm accessing it via telnet.) >I got this machine around December 2003.   F There are firmware updates.  If you dig around in the Integrity serverJ section of the HP web pages, you'll evenually find them.  I've given up onE trying to save URLs deep in the bowels of HP's web; the URLs have the  lifetime of a fruit fly.  I IIRC, someone decided to classify server firmware as "drivers", to better - fit the mind-set of the typical Windoze user.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:50:11 +0100 (CET) % From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> & Subject: Re: Is this still RTA????????8 Message-ID: <05ead3c45d823c34abec005c7a44e54b@dizum.com>  E Gregory Morrow <gregorymorrowLUCKBEALADYTONIGHT@earthlink.net> wrote:    >  >Nomen Nescio wrote: > , >> JF Mezei <jfmezei@vaxination.ca> trolled: >> >> >Gregory Morrow wrote: J >> >> Now there's a laugh - JF Mezei wouldn't be allowed anywhere *near* aJ >> >> moderated newsgroup.  After all, his relentless off - topic trolling >here is; >> >> one of the reasons rta is in the sorry shape it is...  >> >E >> >Apart from your constant insults and verbatim reposting  of Nomen 	 >Nescio's K >> >posts, what have you contributed to this newsgroup that was air related  >??????  >>+ >> Laughing at you is a great contribution.  >>5 >> Haven't you heard?  Laughter is the best medicine.  >  > L >Yup...it's true...it sure beats foaming at the mouth...I mean who would YOU. >rather be - Sheryl Mexic or Connie Wong...???  C Maybe we can get Miss Connie Wong to chop JF up into 100 pieces and , serve him to Sheryl at Miyako for lunch.....   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:30:21 +0100 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> Subject: Re: SIMH setup , Message-ID: <3297t7F3h07upU1@individual.net>  1 <pa@it.singer-friedlander.com> schreef in bericht = news:1103018257.905947.160640@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  > Hello, > A > I have managed to get SIMH up and running. However I would like < > to change the virtual hardware from VaxServer to MicroVax. > H > I have tried the instructions in the faq but they do not seem to work.& > I get a "non-existant device" error. >  > sim> set ptr ena > Non-existent device  > sim> att ptr ka655.bin > Non-existent device  > sim> ie ptr 4  > Invalid argument > sim> det ptr > Non-existent device ) > Could someone tell me how to a MicroVax  > 	 > Thanks,  >  > Piyush >   I That just won't work unless you write the code that emulates the microVAX L model you're interested in. What are you trying to do that a VAXserver modelC cannot not do? In other words what problem are you trying to solve?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:37:43 -0800 ! From: Fred Bach <music@triumf.ca> ( Subject: Re: Simple EDT or TPU init file( Message-ID: <41BF5D27.1060906@triumf.ca>  	 Big John,   8    Thank you for your TPU insight.  I don't do much TPU.  :    I copied your code directly into SIMPLE.TPU in my login-    directory.  Right now my SIMPLE symbol is:   S   SIMPLE == "edit/tpu/read/command=SYS$LOGIN:SIMPLE.TPU/noinit/nosection/nojournal"   "    There are a couple of problems.  ?    First, using SHOW TERMINAL/FULL I find the keypad is usually ?    in numeric mode by default to start with.  It needs to be in =    application mode before you call SIMPLE or else the keypad >    doesn't work and you can't get out except with a CONTROL-Y.  ?    Second, if you type enough of the undefined keys, there is a =    buffer that gets full somewhere and the terminal beeps and >    nothing happens each time you hit another key, even a legit;    key.  This requires me to clear the communications on my >    VT300 X-window on my PC via the Commands pulldown menu, and8    that causes the cursor to show up again.  Perhaps the>    type-ahead buffer needs to be zero??  Something needs to be?    done to throw those keys away properly and to make sure they     do not pile up.  @    Unlike the original request, it would be nice if SIMPLE could>    fill the existing screen whatever length / width it is.  WeB    should pick the screen lengths and widths from the existing DCL@    window size before SIMPLE is called.  It would still work forB    the size of screen originally specified by the original poster.  ?    Clearly we need to put the necessary DCL setup commands into >    a tidy foolproof little .COM file, SIMPLE.COM .  What setup>    commands do you advise?  And if one has to change something@    at the DCL level, perhaps one should put it back after SIMPLE    has finished.      Thanks in advance.   "   .. fred bach ..  music@triumf.ca     Big John wrote:    > Peter Weaver wrote >  >  >>Mike Buchanan wrote: >> >>>...& >>>1) Can I make the cursor invisible? >>>... >>A >>The only way I can think of doing this depends on how good your  > 
 > terminal >  >>emulator is; >> >>$ esc[0,8]=27 " >>$ write sys$output "''esc'[?25l"* >>$ assign sys$command sys$input/user_mode0 >>$ edit/tpu/nosec/comm=sys$login:simple.tpu 'P1" >>$ write sys$output "''esc'[?25h" >> >>-- >  > F > This is fine, but you can do it very simply, entirely within the TPUD > command. This would make it much easier to set up if you do decideC > to use the callable TPU directly, instead of spawning out.  There E > are two ways to do it.  The 'proper' way would be to set the window F > not to translate escape sequences, but put them straight out, with a > command like: ' > set (TEXT, main_window, NO_TRANSLATE) > > - then copy_text the escape sequence, and update the window. > F > However here, there is a simpler solution. Since we are not trappingF > messages, but splashing them unaltered straight on to the screen, weD > can output the escape sequences with a couple of MESSAGE commands. > C > (There, I believe I said before that it was a much better idea to A > start from scratch and build, instead of stripping down the EVE  > section :-). > @ > So all you need to do, after you have mapped the window to the > buffer is to add the line..  > message (ascii(27)+"[?25l");? > .. and change the kp1 key to execute the 2-command sequence.. ) > message(ascii(27)+'[?25h');QUIT (OFF,1) / > .. to switch the cursor back on when exiting.  >  > $ > One other point worth mentioning.. > D > If you don't care about the cursor position, then you can move theA > screen about more simply with the SCROLL command instead of the D > MOVE_VERTICAL command. SCROLL changes the editing point by leavingD > the cursor position unchanged on the screen and adjusting the fileD > window display. This is exactly what you want here, and you do notC > need to adjust the cursor to the top/bottom before moving up/down ) > a line, making the whole thing simpler.  > > > Also, SCROLL does not report an error if you scroll too far.E > (Instead it returns a value of the amount actually scrolled, if you D > need it. It's a shame, I think, that MOVE_VERTICAL does not do theE > same).  Thus, you will not need any on_error processing, so you can < > simplify it further by removing the SIMPLE_MOVE procedure. >  > C > So here is a really cool stripped down version of SIMPLE.TPU that > > displays the file, moves the display, and hides the cursor.. >  > 5 > input_file := GET_INFO (COMMAND_LINE, "file_name"); 3 > main_buffer:= CREATE_BUFFER ("main", input_file);  > ( > position (BEGINNING_OF (main_buffer));) > main_window := create_window(1,21,off);  > . > the_key_map := create_key_map ("user_keys");G > the_key_map_list := create_key_map_list ("the_keylist", the_key_map);  > 2 > set (UNDEFINED_KEY, the_key_map_list, "return");6 > set (KEY_MAP_LIST,  the_key_map_list,  main_buffer);. > set (SELF_INSERT,   the_key_map_list,  OFF); >   > MAP (main_window,main_buffer); > message (ascii(27)+"[?25l"); >  > ! = > define_key ("message(ascii(27)+'[?25h');QUIT (OFF,1)", kp1,  > the_key_map); A > define_key ("scroll (current_window, 1)",  kp2,   the_key_map); A > define_key ("scroll (current_window, -1)", kp8,   the_key_map); A > define_key ("scroll (current_window, 20)", kp6,   the_key_map); A > define_key ("scroll (current_window, -20)",kp4,   the_key_map); A > define_key ("scroll (current_window, 1)",  down,  the_key_map); A > define_key ("scroll (current_window, -1)", up,    the_key_map);  > !  >  > Cheers, John --  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:49:01 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: TCPIP V5.4 and LPD 0 Message-ID: <00A3C56C.21667B1B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  C Looking for somebody with experience setting up LPD with TCPIP V5.4   B I can get files into the spool directory but they never get put on the local queue to print.      --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:25:48 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: VMS V1 2 Message-ID: <woMvd.4440$CG2.4117@news.cpqcorp.net>  t In article <K1Ssd.55117$QJ3.46542@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> writes: :Dan O'Reilly wrote:, :> At 12:14 PM 11/24/2004, Bob Kaplow wrote: :>  - :>> In article <co2hea$57i$2@pcls4.std.com>,  = :>> moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes: < :>> > kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) writes: :>> > H :>> >>At the VMS 20th anniversary DECUS they had a 780 running whatever , :>> >>version of VMS it first shipped with.      No, we did not.   ?   We did not have the hardware necessary to run VAX/VMS V1.0 on @   the particular VAX-11/780 configuration that we showed.  (WhatB   hardware we had was simply too new for compatibility with V1.0.)  @   Having just checked my email archives from November 1997, the B   DECUS "Campground of the Past" configuration was running V5.5-2,>   unpatched, with its dates deliberately set to November 2003.?   Most (all?) systems in the campground were running with dates        N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:50:42 -0500 % From: "DAVID TURNER" <DAVID@HPAQ.NET> " Subject: we need your es45 systems0 Message-ID: <10rv25ra7vvkg0b@news.supernews.com>   as many as we can get     prefer model 2's  pn dh-68daa-xx   --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:53:33 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> E Subject: [Nomex on]: Security research suggests Linux has fewer flaws , Message-ID: <leCdnZ3cbbIh2SLcRVn-qg@igs.net>  0 Security research suggests Linux has fewer flaws By Robert Lemos 4 URL: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5489804.html    L The Linux operating system has many times fewer bugs than typical commercial* software, according to an upcoming report.  I The conclusion is the result of a four-year research project conducted by D code-analysis company Coverity, which plans to release its report onI Tuesday. The project found 985 bugs in the 5.7 million lines of code that K make up the latest version of the Linux core operating system, or kernel. A L typical commercial program of similar size usually has more than 5,000 flaws> or defects, according to data from Carnegie Mellon University.  L "Linux is a very good system in terms of bug density," said Seth Hallem, CEOH of Coverity, a San Francisco company that makes flaw-detection tools for4 software written in C and C++ programming languages.  I Code-analysis tools typically use software-design principles to analyze a L program's source code and flag any possible problems. Microsoft already usesE such tools widely in its internal development, and many compilers are K starting to include rudimentary versions of the programs as well. The tools E are also being used to tame the wild coding prevalent around the Web.   L Though Coverity does not have any data about the relative frequency of flawsI in Microsoft's Windows operating system, the latest data will likely feed H the debate between the various proponents of Linux, Mac OS X and Windows+ over which operating system is more secure.   I A recent report, for example, found that Red Hat Linux had fewer critical K flaws than Microsoft Windows. Another research paper, prepared by Forrester I Research and hosted on Microsoft's Web site, favored Windows. Yet another H code analysis firm, however, last year analyzed the core networking code" used in Linux and found few flaws.  J Coverity has not analyzed the source code to Microsoft Windows because theC company does not have access to the source code, Hallem said. Apple H Computer's Mac OS X has a great deal of proprietary programming, but theF core of the operating system is based on BSD, an open-source operating system similar to Linux.  L Hallem stressed that the research on Linux--specifically, version 2.6 of theL kernel--indicated that the open-source development process produced a secure operating system.   I "There are other public reports that describe the bug density of Windows, J and I would say that Linux is comparable or better than Windows," he said.  K A representative of Microsoft could not immediately comment on the Coverity  study.  > The research suggests that the Linux kernel scored better thanK run-of-the-mill commercial code. Proprietary software, in general, has 1 to I 7 flaws per thousand lines of code, according to an April report from the B National Cybersecurity Partnership's Working Group on the SoftwareI Lifecycle, which cited an analysis of development methods by the Software 4 Engineering Institute at Carnegie Mellon University.  H For a 5.7 million-line program, such as version 2.6 of the Linux kernel,7 that roughly adds up to between 5,700 and 40,000 flaws.   I Microsoft uses analysis tools similar to those in Coverity's study to vet F its Windows code. One tool, known as PREfast, runs on each developer'sI workstation to check code for simple problems. The other tool, PREfix, is H run every night on the Windows source code to catch more complex issues.  H Coverity's Hallem acknowledged that by running similar tools to its own,> Microsoft likely had reduced the number of defects in Windows.  J Coverity plans to provide regular bug analysis reports on Linux and make aB summary of the results available to the Linux developer community.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.694 ************************                                                                                  iVvcRVn-rw@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > I >I'm also quite sure that somewhere in Palo Alto there is a pixie, who in B >Cromwell-like thinking is musing "Will someone not rid me of this >troublesome operating system?"    ITYM "Henry II".  I (Acto anecdotage.com: [According to the Dictionary of National Biography, I Henry's actual complaint was longer: "What a parcel of fools and dastards H have I nourished in my house that not one of them will avenge me of thisG one upstart clerk!"]  "Fools and dastards" would seem like a reasonable I description of some of the proprietors of VMS, at least from the point of  view of VMS proponents.)   -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:01:40 +1100 4 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au> Subject: Re: HP exodus to Intel - Message-ID: <41C694F4.90403@transgrid.com.au>   , Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:T > In article <yd-dneZTlPtPiVvcRVn-rw@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > J >>I'm also quite sure that somewhere in Palo Alto there is a pixie, who inC >>Cromwell-like thinking is musing "Will someone not rid me of this   >>troublesome operating system?" >  >  > ITYM "Henry II". > K > (Acto anecdotage.com: [According to the Dictionary of National Biography, K > Henry's actual complaint was longer: "What a parcel of fools and dastards J > have I nourished in my house that not one of them will avenge me of thisI > one upstart clerk!"]  "Fools and dastards" would seem like a reasonable K > description of some of the proprietors of VMS, at least from the point of  > view of VMS proponents.) > 	 > -- Alan    Alan,   G John may not have been quoting Shakespear (however DEC spells its name  I this week and however William spelt his name in folios) -- I do not have  D my anthology handy to check the actual words, but I can believe you.  
 But check:  E http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/state/church_reformation/becket_04.shtml   @ which uses John's quote if "priest" and "operating syste