1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 23 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 710       Contents:' Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft ' Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft ' Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft ' Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft ' Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft 9 Re: Can 80 pin UltraSCSI drives be used on Alpha systems? # Re: DISMOUNT/ABORT/NODE=<node_name>  Re: Heirarchal network question ) Re: HP pulls out of IA64 chip development @ Re: MntVerifyTimeout, (remote shadow member), clustering, volume@ Re: MntVerifyTimeout, (remote shadow member), clustering, volume@ Re: MntVerifyTimeout, (remote shadow member), clustering, volume  Re: New Features in OpenVMS V8.2  Re: New Features in OpenVMS V8.29 Re: OT: Deutsche Borse wants to buy London Stock Exchange 8 Sign up for the carly(tm), Livermore, Marcello talk show5 Re: SSH Keys: MULTINET SSH Client to TCPIP SSH Server & Re: TCPIP: SMTP - setting HELO value ?& Re: TCPIP: SMTP - setting HELO value ?& Re: TCPIP: SMTP - setting HELO value ?" Re: TruCluster/AdvFS open-sourced?" Re: TruCluster/AdvFS open-sourced?" Re: TruCluster/AdvFS open-sourced?" Re: TruCluster/AdvFS open-sourced?! Re: VAX Hobbyist In The Making... ! Re: VAX Hobbyist In The Making... * VAXstation 4000/60: what is error code 47?. Re: VAXstation 4000/60: what is error code 47?. Re: VAXstation 4000/60: what is error code 47?I Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2] GETDVI Item for Volume Owner (and Volume Protection)  ~ J F  M e z e i  F A Q ~  ~ NomenNescio F A Q ~   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:55:52 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 0 Subject: Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft, Message-ID: <7MKdncksV_CoXlTcRVn-tQ@igs.net>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > In article <cqcasg$o4u$1@news3.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>, Dirk Munk > <munk@home.nl> writes: > C >> Today Microsoft got a fine of 497 million euro (US $650 million) E >> from the European Court. The reason is misuse of monopoly position D >> etc. Furthermore M$ has to remove Mediaplayer from the Windows-XP= >> distribution, and publish the API's for communication with  >> periphirals. Nice ......  > E > I don't like Microsoft software due to the low quality, so I simply A > don't use it.  I don't really see the point of the proceedings, D > though. Why shouldn't anyone be able to offer anything---say an OSG > with a web browser and media player integrated---take it or leave it. C > As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter if the web browser and G > media player are intentionally unnecessarily integratated into the OS C > to the point where alternatives can't be installed.  If you don't  > like it, don't buy it. > D > By requiring Microsoft to publish their specifications and offer aA > version of Windows without media player, the courts are in fact G > confirming that Microsoft software IS the de-facto standard.  I'm not H > saying it isn't, but I don't think it is the business of the courts toF > tell the world that, for better or worse, the world has to live with > Microsoft.    D Do you think that we could get the European Court to fine HP for NOT marketing OpenVMS?  + Doesn't seem like too much of a stretch :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:51:38 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 0 Subject: Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft, Message-ID: <41C9D041.841AEB23@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: E > I don't like Microsoft software due to the low quality, so I simply A > don't use it.  I don't really see the point of the proceedings,   M Many people do not have a choice are are forced to use it to "be compatible".   H Fact is that Microsoft has used its dominant position in the OS to quashL application vendors one by one. In time, this removes competitition not onlyC in the OS but also in the application. And when Microsoft buys some F application writer, with few exceptions, you ca no longer expecvt that3 applictaion to be available on competing platforms.   J This si why countries have anti-monopoly laws. When a company controls too- much of the market, it needs to be regulated.   M Remember that Microsoft forced PC assemblers to pay for Windows licences even D if the PC was sold without Windows on it. (is that still the case ?)  L Just look at what Gates had Palmer do to all the software Digital had , justI to make sure it woudl eliminate any competition from DEC at the sowftware V level. (Notably killing the messaging software where DEC used to be the world leader).  K And while Gates brags about innovation, MS itself doesn't innovate much. It E buys companies that innovate and then puts the Microsoft label on the N product's name, and reduces competition by bundling that product with Windows.  K If HP wants to sell you a PC with a whole buch of bundled software , a deal M negotiated betwene HP and individual software vendors, I have no problem. But H I have a problem with Microsoft giving away free software to prevent newJ companies from starting and offering potentially better products, at which, point I no longer have a choice of software.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:52:29 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)0 Subject: Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft$ Message-ID: <cqcmqd$ae2$1@online.de>  5 In article <41C9D041.841AEB23@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: G > > I don't like Microsoft software due to the low quality, so I simply C > > don't use it.  I don't really see the point of the proceedings,  > O > Many people do not have a choice are are forced to use it to "be compatible".   @ Right, but by saying that "we have to make sure everyone can be A compatible with Windows", the courts are cementing the Microsoft  	 standard.   E I agree with what you say about anti-monopoly laws.  It seems to me,  E though, that the attack against Microsoft is not taking place at the   correct level.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:48:11 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 0 Subject: Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft, Message-ID: <41C9EB8D.87ED54F2@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: F > I agree with what you say about anti-monopoly laws.  It seems to me,F > though, that the attack against Microsoft is not taking place at the > correct level.  G The attack was launched essentially by Real Networks protesting against L Microsoft including its proprietary windows media player and pushing content) providers to support the windows formats.   T Before that, there was an attack by Netscape against Microsoft for the same reasons.  I A monopoly per say isn't illegal. But when you use your monopoly to quash L potential competition, then that is illegal. So the courts have to deal withF specific cases of a competitor complaining about Microsoft abusing its monopoly power.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:34:57 +0100   From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>0 Subject: Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft, Message-ID: <cqd3rm$fn5$1@news.cybercity.dk>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > In article <cqcasg$o4u$1@news3.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>, Dirk Munk > <munk@home.nl> writes: > C >> Today Microsoft got a fine of 497 million euro (US $650 million) E >> from the European Court. The reason is misuse of monopoly position D >> etc. Furthermore M$ has to remove Mediaplayer from the Windows-XP= >> distribution, and publish the API's for communication with  >> periphirals. Nice ......  > E > I don't like Microsoft software due to the low quality, so I simply A > don't use it.  I don't really see the point of the proceedings, D > though. Why shouldn't anyone be able to offer anything---say an OSG > with a web browser and media player integrated---take it or leave it.   H It is the notion of "bundling" and is illegal for monopolies.  This is a8 pretty simple legal concept even for an astrophysicist !I The MS OS is a monopoly.  Anyone wishing to provide ANY product on top of D this OS is at the mercy of MS.  MS did not get US$60B in the bank byL behaving in a friendly or legal manner to either the consumers, its partnersF or its competitors.  http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm  D Putting companies out of business by screwing with the underlying OSF ("MS-DOS is not finished until Lotus 1-2-3 will not run") has been theK standard behaviour of the Microsoft corporation for decades.  Now that they L are legally a monopolist (ie. convicted of illegal monopolistic activities),I they can no longer bundle things like WMP in order to screw RealPlayer or 7 anyone else tring to exist in the media player segment.   C > As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter if the web browser and G > media player are intentionally unnecessarily integratated into the OS C > to the point where alternatives can't be installed.  If you don't  > like it, don't buy it. > D > By requiring Microsoft to publish their specifications and offer aA > version of Windows without media player, the courts are in fact > > confirming that Microsoft software IS the de-facto standard.  D No, it is saying that Microsoft is a Monopoly - something completelyK different.  Forcing disclosure simply levels the playing field somewhat for  other market participants.  F > I'm not saying it isn't, but I don't think it is the business of the	 courts to F > tell the world that, for better or worse, the world has to live with > Microsoft.  F Well, actually it is.  Monopolies, both in the US and Europe (and mostK western nations) must behave within a much stricter set of rules than other C companies.  Again, the concepts are simple and the reasons obvious.   G We have to live with them now, and the courts have to insure that other L companies wishing to enter (or stay/survive) in the same marketplace are not disadvantaged.  E Monopolies are (at least in the US), deemed by legal definition to be K negative for the consumer and their actions are restricted because of this.   L Summa Summarium:  The reasons for the European courts decision are sound and just  	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Dec 2004 00:44:16 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com B Subject: Re: Can 80 pin UltraSCSI drives be used on Alpha systems?+ Message-ID: <cqd4d00fke@enews3.newsguy.com>   $ Hoff Hoffman <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote:C >   Another aspect is thermal -- some of the older systems may not  E >   provide sufficient cooling for various newer devices.  (I've been C >   shouted down on this comment in the past, but I've also toasted F >   some disks with this problem.  Make certain whatever enclosure youB >   install the newer disks into has sufficient cooling for deviceB >   requirements.  There are SCSI disks of certain vintages and of5 >   certain designs that run very hot, for instance.)   L This can be a serious problem.  I've seen HW which will run just fine with aJ given hard drive in a nice cold computer room, but when you pull it out of& the computer room it will cook the HD.   		Zane   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:34:16 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply), Subject: Re: DISMOUNT/ABORT/NODE=<node_name>$ Message-ID: <cqcen8$ug5$4@online.de>  3 In article <a0+XP388APde@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   y > In article <cqc2s3$hmd$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  > > H > > If the SYSUAF is not accessible, then I can't log in, even from the  > > console, right?  > D >    Wrong.  There is a fallback mechanism that allows you to log in >    from the console.  H Right, been there, done that.  The problem is that the cluster, and the  console, are 500 km away.   E A long-term solution, I suppose, is to get some terminal server which G speaks TCPIP so that I can log into it remotely and then connect to the " console from the terminal server.   G It's not a problem to ring up and get someone to do a reboot.  Until I  > do that, though, I'd like to find out if there is another way.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:24:07 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> ( Subject: Re: Heirarchal network question2 Message-ID: <41CA1027.8030607@applied-synergy.com>   JF Mezei wrote:    > Chris Scheers wrote: >  > G >>Is there a way I can do this with a single router?  I've been looking G >>into VLANs, but the information I've seen so far doesn't say anything E >>about establishing seperate DHCP and NAT domains within the router.  >  > N > VLANs are more an ethernet concept than a TCPIP concept.  Between VLAN-awareQ > switches, the ethernet packets are different and contain an additional payload.  > K > So if you can find a VLAN aware router that has DHCP capability, it could 3 > theoretically discriminate between DHCP requests.  > L > Is there a reason why you need different subnets at the TCPIP level if you/ > provide ethernet blocks between the subnets ?     0 I'm not sure what you mean by ethernet "blocks".  G I'm trying to reduce the number of boxes.  Each subnet needs to have a  F DHCP and NAT capability.  If I need to buy seperate boxes for this, I * may as well go with the broadband routers.  F What I would like to know is if there is a smart switch/router that I F can use which would allow me to assign ports to seperate subnets, and 3 have provide DHCP/NAT capabilities for each subnet.   G At some point, these subnets all get connected together for the shared  I internet connection, so they are not completely blocked from each other,  F but the NAT "firewall" capability should be enough seperation between # for the needs of this installation.   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:56:59 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 2 Subject: Re: HP pulls out of IA64 chip development, Message-ID: <rZydnYqAfafqXlTcRVn-vQ@igs.net>   John Reagan wrote: > Bob Kaplow wrote:  >  >> >>H >> In addition to the EV8 team, didn't Intel get the compiler people and? >> intellectual property? Who does Steve Lionel work for today?  >> > = > Excuse me, *THE* compiler people?  Who am I, chopped liver?  > A > Yes, Intel acquired many very-talented, very-dedicated compiler 	 > people.  > D > However, Compaq (and subsequently HP) retained some very-talented,F > very-dedicated compiler people (including me).  So stop with the "OhC > my God, Compaq sold all the compiler folks to Intel. The world is  > doomed" story.    4 Not eveyone writes their code in Macro any more  ;-)   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:17:40 +0000 (UTC) - From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) I Subject: Re: MntVerifyTimeout, (remote shadow member), clustering, volume . Message-ID: <cqch8k$ehk$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes in article <cqce59$ug5$1@online.de> dated Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:24:41 +0000 (UTC):. >In article <q+KaGJHQVEYq@cuebid.zko.dec.com>,3 >brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:   > 3 >> "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcor.de> writes:  >> > Phlip,  >> >  L >> > when a disk went to MntVfyTimeout nothing will help other thn a reboot! >>  2 >> That statement, by itself, is just plain wrong. > G >That's what I'm trying to determine.  In my case, the shadow set is in H >MntVfyTimeout on node A.  It is accessible with no problems on node B. I >However, since the SYSUAF is on this shadow set, I cannot log in on node ! >A to issue any sort of command.   > 4 >Is there a way to get out of this without a reboot?  K I don't know if this will work, but you might try using SYSMAN to issue the - commands.  From the SYSTEM account on node B,    $ mc sysman  SYSMAN> set env/node=A SYSMAN> do show dev/files dsa0 SYSMAN> do stop/id=  SYSMAN> do dismount/abort dsa0  G If SMISERVER always needs to read SYSUAF this won't work.  I don't know  whether that's the case though.   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:47:28 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)I Subject: Re: MntVerifyTimeout, (remote shadow member), clustering, volume $ Message-ID: <cqcj0g$606$1@online.de>  E In article <cqch8k$ehk$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG  (Keith A. Lewis) writes:    M > I don't know if this will work, but you might try using SYSMAN to issue the / > commands.  From the SYSTEM account on node B,   G As I mentioned in my other post, SYSMAN doesn't work---perhaps because  & it can't access the UAF, I don't know.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:40:29 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> I Subject: Re: MntVerifyTimeout, (remote shadow member), clustering, volume , Message-ID: <41C9E9C0.5D763992@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: H > As I mentioned in my other post, SYSMAN doesn't work---perhaps because( > it can't access the UAF, I don't know.    L What about define/table=lnm$syscluster/system/exec SYSUAF  filespecification  2 where the spec points to a valid SYSUAF.DAT file ?  M The logical name definition is done through the SCS, so if it doesn't need to J create a process, it shoudl still work even though the SYSUAF on the other node is invalid.  H Once this is defined, you should then be able to create a process on the remote node.   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Dec 2004 20:50:28 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com ) Subject: Re: New Features in OpenVMS V8.2 , Message-ID: <cqcmmk02j6j@enews2.newsguy.com>  0 Rob Brooks <brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:% > Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes: " > > It's been available for months9 > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82eft/6675/6675pro.html   J > Of course, that is only lists the features available with the field test > version of V8.2.  B > There are other, non-trivial additions to VMS added too late for > inclusion in the field-test.  K Am I the only one that finds this comment rather disturbing?  I thought the L whole purpose behind the field test versions were to allow people to bang onK the new features in the field to see what breaks.  How common is it for new * features to be added after the field test?   		Zane   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2004 21:58:45 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ) Subject: Re: New Features in OpenVMS V8.2 3 Message-ID: <lGJGNa7OtV0G@eisner.encompasserve.org>   H In article <cqcmmk02j6j@enews2.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:2 > Rob Brooks <brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:& >> Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:# >> > It's been available for months : >> > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82eft/6675/6675pro.html > K >> Of course, that is only lists the features available with the field test  >> version of V8.2.  > C >> There are other, non-trivial additions to VMS added too late for  >> inclusion in the field-test.  > M > Am I the only one that finds this comment rather disturbing?  I thought the N > whole purpose behind the field test versions were to allow people to bang onM > the new features in the field to see what breaks.  How common is it for new , > features to be added after the field test?  C Adding new features should only be done after determining that they  will be adequately tested.  * For some features field test is important.  ; For other features, inhouse testing is much more important.   E When Alpha first came out, DEC had some tests that would saturate the G CPU capacity beyond 99% for hours at a time.  This brings out bugs that G customer field test sites will never find (especially since they should 5 not be making production use of field test software).    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:18:12 +0100   From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>B Subject: Re: OT: Deutsche Borse wants to buy London Stock Exchange, Message-ID: <cqd2s5$ec4$1@news.cybercity.dk>   Swedish Chef wrote: ? > Paul Sture scribbled something like this, on Sun, 19 Dec 2004  > 15:24:38 +0100:  >  >> JF Mezei wrote: >>C >>> Does Deutsche Borse use VMS ? Any chance they may influence the 9 >>> LSE's next technological decisions in favour of VMS ?  >>) >> Anyone know what systems Euronext use?  > D > Deutsche Borse's amalgamated feed is produced using Suns, althoughD > some of the regional exchanges (eg Xetra), runs on OVMS I believe. >   L IIRC Xetra and Eurex trading are both VMS based, as are some of the clearing components.   F > Euronext at least used to run OVMS, not sure if they still do (theirA > soon-to-be-replaced feed structure certainly is very VMS-like).  > H > Bearing in mind that both of these have had major glitches in the lastF > couple of weeks (as anyone who follows the European markets sae), myG > guess is that it's the feed systems inate fear of having to deal with / > the exasperatingly cryptic LSE trading rules.   @ I have not been following - what happenned and was VMS at fault?  	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:11:37 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> A Subject: Sign up for the carly(tm), Livermore, Marcello talk show , Message-ID: <zqKdnbuCGvxrSVTcRVn-gw@igs.net>  9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=04/12/22/2788402     L Who knows? Maybe everyone in the audience that day will get a new car - just like on Oprah.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:08:44 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>> Subject: Re: SSH Keys: MULTINET SSH Client to TCPIP SSH Server+ Message-ID: <Mhtyd.16460$dv1.2764@edtnps89>    Richard Whalen wrote::  N > The TCP/IP Services supplied with recent versions of TCP/IP services uses anJ > earlier version of the same code base that Process Software uses for itsL > implementation on MultiNet and TCPware.  Hence, the keys for one will work5 > with the other without the need for any conversion.  > L > I believe that TCP/IP services has a restriction that the files must be in > STREAM-LF L > format.  Process Software's implementation had this restriction initially,	 > but has < > made changes to accommodate typical VMS text file formats. >  >   C Right you are, and I had made sure they were given a proper record  ! format prior to my original post.   C In the end, my problems stemmed from simple confusion.  I had been  B working with several different SSH clients and servers, including I OpenSSH on Cygwin.  The problem I reported on boiled down to the lack of  E an IDENTIFICATION file on the Multinet client host.  I'd created the  , file, but placed it on the wrong host.  Doh.  * Thanks to Richard and Martin for replying.   Alder    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:02:54 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk/ Subject: Re: TCPIP: SMTP - setting HELO value ? ) Message-ID: <cqd5fu$j2s$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   W In article <32tk0mF3rm4h6U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: * >In article <cqbtgl$68s$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>," >	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:] >> In article <41C91CBB.8C3B3B@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >>>Here is my problem: >>> P >>>nodes bike and velo are behind a NAT firewall. the external/internet IP point >>>to node "gw" (gateway). >>> O >>>So, when the smtp software sends an email to the internet, the receiver gets  >>>an 7 >>>HELO bike.vixenation.ca command from the VMS server.  >>> B >>>but when reverse translating the IP, it gets "gw.vixenation.ca" >>>   >>>Some servers don't like that. >>> R >> This doesn't help you much I know. But any server which refuses mail because ofA >> the argument provided with the HELO or EHLO command is broken. Q >> This is the one check which the RFCs explicitly state cannot be used to refuse  >> mail. >>   >> From  >>   >>  ( >> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html >>   >> section 4.1.4 >>   >>   >> "J >>    An SMTP server MAY verify that the domain name parameter in the EHLOC >>    command actually corresponds to the IP address of the client. F >>    However, the server MUST NOT refuse to accept a message for thisJ >>    reason if the verification fails: the information about verification. >>    failure is for logging and tracing only. >>   >> " > F >In a perfect world that may have once been so, but today with SPAMersD >happily pretending to be all different legitimate, well known hostsF >it is common practice to reject connections from people who lie about >who they are. >   ? The correct check is of the IP address of the system connecting 9 to the server not what it puts in the HELO/EHLO argument.   N If you reject mail because of the HELO/EHLO argument then you are breaking the; RFCs pure and simple. There is no "perfect world" about it.   D >As for the original posters problem, I would be amazed if there wasA >not sme way to make the HELO message say anything you wanted to.   	 I agree.     >  Thus E >he could make it match the outside address and cure this problem. Of G >course, the other question then becomes why is his mail server (or any G >server that needs to be reached from  the INTERNET) hiding behine NAT?   N This seems a pretty standard home/small office type setup. I would presume hisJ ISP has just given him a single IP address so he is forced to use NAT for L his multiple machines with the single address being assigned to the external interface of his firewall.    E >If this is a machine only used to originate mail and not receive it, H >then it shold be forwarding all of it's mail to whoever is the INTERNET >mail handler for his network. > B >Many of the RFC's were written for a much friendlier network that2 >no longer exists and badly need to be re-written. >    Sorry I strongly disagree.  I If you think there are problems with the RFCs then you are at liberty to  M propose changes and get them adopted. Until then adherence to the RFCs is the A only way to avert chaos with everyone doing things their own way.     
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >bill  >  >-- K >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves E >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.  >University of Scranton   | B >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>      ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:17:59 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk/ Subject: Re: TCPIP: SMTP - setting HELO value ? ) Message-ID: <cqd6c7$je3$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   \ In article <41C9B1DE.17A7C9F5@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:R >> This doesn't help you much I know. But any server which refuses mail because ofA >> the argument provided with the HELO or EHLO command is broken. Q >> This is the one check which the RFCs explicitly state cannot be used to refuse  >> mail. > O >In my case, my problem is with yahoo. It doesn't refuse the email. It files it 1 >in the destination user's "bulk" folder as spam.  > K This sounds like a rule in some anti-spam software product rather than the  J yahoo MTA (and since it's delivering the mail it's not breaking the RFCs).    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University          M >From what I have read, the receiving server should verify that the HELO host N >name translates to the same IP being used by the sending server. And not viceG >versa. It is also ok to check that the IP is backtranslatable, but the Y >backtranslation may not necessarily match the name in HELO (think multi homed machines).  > H >Now, I haven't concluded that this is the issue with Yahoo. It could beK >something else. But emails sent to someone with spam-assassin reulted in a L >perfect 0.0 score. So I am surprised by Yahoo saying I am a bulk emailer...L >(my all mightly microvax is just incapable of sending that many emails in a >day :-) :-) :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2004 19:24:35 -0800 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au/ Subject: Re: TCPIP: SMTP - setting HELO value ? C Message-ID: <1103772275.651432.271190@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Here is my problem:  > F > nodes bike and velo are behind a NAT firewall. the external/internet IP point > to node "gw" (gateway).  > @ > So, when the smtp software sends an email to the internet, the
 receiver gets  > an6 > HELO bike.vixenation.ca command from the VMS server. > A > but when reverse translating the IP, it gets "gw.vixenation.ca"  >  > Some servers don't like that.  >  > F > Does anyone know of a trick the symbiont into using a different host name for) > its HELO command to the remote server ? 3 No, but you could test this using telnet to port 25 4 smtp will respond with a number/message at each step? see http://email.about.com/cs/standards/a/smtp_error_code_2.htm  Phil $telnet whereever.com 25 HELO gw.vixenation.ca  MAIL FROM: jf@home.com  RCPT TO: whoever@destination.com DATA blah blah blah .  QUIT   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:01:59 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> + Subject: Re: TruCluster/AdvFS open-sourced? % Message-ID: <41C9C4A7.60104@MMaz.com>    John Smith wrote:    >Bob Koehler wrote:  >    > ; >>In article <WpOdnXD_vN7gCFTcRVn-hg@igs.net>, "John Smith"  >><a@nonymous.com> writes: >> >>     >>F >>>Why make linux (an operating system which HP makes ZERO money on) a >>>better competitor? 	 >>>        >>> D >>   HP sells preconfigured Linux systems.  To HP that means they're >>   making money. >>     >> >  > < >What's the point of selling Linux with TruCluster embedded? > J >They already have a fully functional highly debugged unix called Tru64 toG >sell so why would they want to suffer through the bugs and integration K >headaches of shoehorning TruCluster into Linux - it would probably require 3 >kernel changes which could bugger up other things.  >  >    > G Well, because it doesn't run on X86 systems, be that AMD or Intel, and  E with the limited remaining life of Alpha, the brilliant success that  I Itanic has been for HP and Intel, if they were to keep Tru64 alive, what  I would you suggest that they market the OS to run on?   Gotta be worrying   about VMS as well!!!     Barry    --    < Barry Treahy, Jr                     E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com< Midwest Microwave, Inc.                  Phone: 480/314-1320< Vice President & CIO                      FAX:  480/661-7028  I                        ... but it's a DRY HEAT!                              ------------------------------   Date: 22 Dec 2004 20:39:59 GMT/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> + Subject: Re: TruCluster/AdvFS open-sourced? 0 Message-ID: <slrncsjmsv.1dp.thierry@MARS.Family>  9 On 2004-12-22, Barry Treahy, Jr. <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote:  > John Smith wrote:  >>Bob Koehler wrote:< >>>In article <WpOdnXD_vN7gCFTcRVn-hg@igs.net>, "John Smith" >>><a@nonymous.com> writes:  >>> G >>>>Why make linux (an operating system which HP makes ZERO money on) a  >>>>better competitor? >>> E >>>   HP sells preconfigured Linux systems.  To HP that means they're  >>>   making money.  >>= >>What's the point of selling Linux with TruCluster embedded?  >>K >>They already have a fully functional highly debugged unix called Tru64 to H >>sell so why would they want to suffer through the bugs and integrationL >>headaches of shoehorning TruCluster into Linux - it would probably require4 >>kernel changes which could bugger up other things. > I > Well, because it doesn't run on X86 systems, be that AMD or Intel, and  G > with the limited remaining life of Alpha, the brilliant success that  K > Itanic has been for HP and Intel, if they were to keep Tru64 alive, what  K > would you suggest that they market the OS to run on?   Gotta be worrying   > about VMS as well!!!  L Not only that, but -- ever wondered which one of the two (Tru64 or Linux) isK better known?  On one side most bosses won't know it, and on the other sideoO (as an implication of it) if you can tell your customers that you run on Linux, ; it's different than if you tell them that you run on Tru64.o   Thierryi   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:51:37 -0500n# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a+ Subject: Re: TruCluster/AdvFS open-sourced?I, Message-ID: <deWdnfu3YdvIQ1TcRVn-2w@igs.net>   Thierry Dussuet wrote:; > On 2004-12-22, Barry Treahy, Jr. <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote:r >> John Smith wrote: >>> Bob Koehler wrote:> >>>> In article <WpOdnXD_vN7gCFTcRVn-hg@igs.net>, "John Smith" >>>> <a@nonymous.com> writes:d >>>>G >>>>> Why make linux (an operating system which HP makes ZERO money on)r >>>>> a better competitor? >>>>F >>>>   HP sells preconfigured Linux systems.  To HP that means they're >>>>   making money. >>>h? >>> What's the point of selling Linux with TruCluster embedded?C >>>SD >>> They already have a fully functional highly debugged unix calledG >>> Tru64 to sell so why would they want to suffer through the bugs and C >>> integration headaches of shoehorning TruCluster into Linux - it?E >>> would probably require kernel changes which could bugger up other  >>> things.b >>E >> Well, because it doesn't run on X86 systems, be that AMD or Intel,sF >> and with the limited remaining life of Alpha, the brilliant successD >> that Itanic has been for HP and Intel, if they were to keep Tru64C >> alive, what would you suggest that they market the OS to run on? ) >> Gotta be worrying about VMS as well!!!- >-D > Not only that, but -- ever wondered which one of the two (Tru64 orE > Linux) is better known?  On one side most bosses won't know it, andiB > on the other side (as an implication of it) if you can tell yourG > customers that you run on Linux, it's different than if you tell them1 > that you run on Tru64.    J So you obfuscate by saying you run on a Linux-like operating system calledJ Tru64, which has all of the strengths of linux and none of the weaknesses.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:55:57 -0500r) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>p+ Subject: Re: TruCluster/AdvFS open-sourced?p: Message-ID: <cYmyd.12704$Z%3.716787@news20.bellglobal.com>  @ "Chip Coldwell" <coldwell@physics.harvard.edu> wrote in message ? news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0412221011140.13982@localhost.localdomain...  >o? > http://www.encompassus.org/surveys/unixsurvey/unixsurvey.htmld >dD > Question 7 on this survey seems to imply that HP is contemplating L > open-sourcing TruCluster and AdvFS for purposes of donating them to Linux. >n > Discuss. [ duck ]e >n > Chip >  > -- e > Charles M. "Chip" Coldwell > System Administrator > Harvard Physics Department > 617-495-3388 >iM They should just open source the whole Tru64 OS. Better to give it away than w destroy it.p  H p.s. I forget which popular database was open sourced then morphed into  MySQLo  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,I Ontario, Canada.9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html b   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:13:55 GMTk3 From: "James T. Sprinkle" <oicmrsnakes@hotmail.com>N* Subject: Re: VAX Hobbyist In The Making.... Message-ID: <nslyd.8$8A.285@news-west.eli.net>  - Hmmmm...not a word from the peanut gallery...0    > "James T. Sprinkle" <oicmrsnakes@hotmail.com> wrote in message* news:sC6sd.21$8%.2450@news-west.eli.net...I > Hi!  I have posted before about running a VAX 6000 series machine underr homeJ > (dryer outlet) power (USA).  I found a good explanation on how to do theJ > conversion from 3 phase to something compatible with a home dryer outlet andoH > I was wondering if anyone out there is running a VAX with this type ofL > configuration?  I have decided to try to get this beast working instead ofL > trading it or selling it, so any help would be greatly appreciated.  Also,D > if you are in the Seattle/Tacoma/Olympia area (Washington) and are	 scrappingtK > any VAX machines, media, or documentation, please let me know.  If thingsi goI > as planned, I will set up a web site detailing my progress if anyone is.L > interested.  I was a VAX admin (VMS) during the mid-90s on 6000 series and: > would like to get this one working for nostalgia's sake. >w2 > The web site I saw the power conversion on was : > 6 > http://aurora.regenstrief.org/~schadow/VAX/power.txt >a > Thanks for your interest.r >i > James T. Sprinklem >  >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:55:08 -0500a% From: "vax, 9000" <vax9000@gmail.com>e* Subject: Re: VAX Hobbyist In The Making...: Message-ID: <cqcqb9$b5f$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>   James T. Sprinkle wrote:  / > Hmmmm...not a word from the peanut gallery...h > F To get response, leave some obvious mistakes in your post, or ask some( simple questions that people can answer.  	 vax, 9000h   > @ > "James T. Sprinkle" <oicmrsnakes@hotmail.com> wrote in message, > news:sC6sd.21$8%.2450@news-west.eli.net...J >> Hi!  I have posted before about running a VAX 6000 series machine under > homeK >> (dryer outlet) power (USA).  I found a good explanation on how to do the K >> conversion from 3 phase to something compatible with a home dryer outlet  > and4I >> I was wondering if anyone out there is running a VAX with this type ofiJ >> configuration?  I have decided to try to get this beast working instead >> ofsG >> trading it or selling it, so any help would be greatly appreciated. yK >> Also, if you are in the Seattle/Tacoma/Olympia area (Washington) and areg > scrappingTL >> any VAX machines, media, or documentation, please let me know.  If things > goJ >> as planned, I will set up a web site detailing my progress if anyone isI >> interested.  I was a VAX admin (VMS) during the mid-90s on 6000 seriese? >> and would like to get this one working for nostalgia's sake.  >>3 >> The web site I saw the power conversion on was :e >>7 >> http://aurora.regenstrief.org/~schadow/VAX/power.txto >> >> Thanks for your interest. >> >> James T. Sprinkle >> >>   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:48:27 +0000 (UTC)-P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)3 Subject: VAXstation 4000/60: what is error code 47?i$ Message-ID: <cqcj2b$606$2@online.de>  H What does the error code 47 mean at the console of a VAXstation 4000/60?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:24:16 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>s7 Subject: Re: VAXstation 4000/60: what is error code 47?t8 Message-ID: <ge0ks09klb09fna2ti2uhljc7tcfei2t27@4ax.com>  I On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:48:27 +0000 (UTC), helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.deg1 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:   I >What does the error code 47 mean at the console of a VAXstation 4000/60?m  F That's a little vague, to say the least.  Can you report the full lineL containing the 47 ?  I have a /60 owners manual - 47 doesn't jump out at me,7 but FRU 47 would be SIMM 7 which, er, doesn't exist :-)g   -- M5 Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it. -   Mail john rather than nospam...e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:19:30 -0600m/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>r7 Subject: Re: VAXstation 4000/60: what is error code 47?T2 Message-ID: <41CA0F12.5040108@applied-synergy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:wJ > What does the error code 47 mean at the console of a VAXstation 4000/60?  + What is the full text of the error message?   G -----------------------------------------------------------------------y$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2004 12:33:16 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)pR Subject: Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2] GETDVI Item for Volume Owner (and Volume Protection)3 Message-ID: <g8sBegxVilmy@eisner.encompasserve.org>k  i In article <newscache$w4n49i$uh6$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:   O > I also don't find an item for the Volume Owner (name not UIC). Is there one ?gN > You can't see it in SHOW DEVICE either, only in a listing of BACKUP/IMAGE... >  > .... > Volume attributesg > Structure level:   5 > Label:             SCRTCHs > Owner:             SYSTEMi$ > Owner UIC:         [000001,000004]  , What makes you think there is such a field ?  D I would guess the Owner: line above is just the translation of [1,4]G and they add the Owner UIC: line so you can compare group numbers, etc.r  B Someone who has time could take a look at the source listings kit.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2004 20:13:22 -00000 From: Darrell Larose <ad607@FreeNet.Carleton.CA>" Subject: ~ J F  M e z e i  F A Q ~7 Message-ID: <XMG6J06038343.8842824074@anonymous.poster>r   FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS    About JF MEZEI  @ The "nobody" troll of rec.travel.air and "John Doe" troll of the sci.space.* newsgroups.a   (Revised Dec. 10, 2004)l   Written by:'   Darrell Larose 121 Northwestern Ave Ottawa, ON K1Y 0M1 (613) 725-0245 cota348@rogers.com ad607@FreeNet.Carleton.CAs   1.  Who is JF Mezei?  C Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have everfC hit rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is alsoe4 one of the longest running trolls in usenet history.  C ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME AND C E-MAIL ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELSe THEIR MESSAGES.***  E If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitorsE the control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled yourn< messages, forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and abuse@astraweb.com .  " 2.  How long has he been trolling?   For well over a decade.o   3.  Where does he live?h   Montreal, Quebec, Canada   Jean-Francois Mezei  86 Harwood Gaten Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3v (514) 992-0474 (514) 695-8259  9 His current e-mail addresses are jfmezei@teksavvy.com ande jfmezei@vaxination.ca .o  ) His website is http://www.vaxination.ca .i  * 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll?  C His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades D your newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, dayF in and day out, every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He@ does not listen to pleas to stop, he does not listen to anything4 anyone tells him, he does not pay attention when theA misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just goesmC right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his(F ears closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"    5.  What does he troll about?m  F His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  HeB hates the USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn itC into a USA-bashing fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just starto making lewd posts.  $ 6.  What does he hate about the USA?  E Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who haveoE a visceral hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is akB happier, better, more successful version of their country and they> can't stand it.  Some of JF's favorite troll bait is "the BushC regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis of evil", "Americans areOB brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are stupid" etc.  # 7.  What about his sexual trolling?   E Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre.t> Among his favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women'sA genitalia, sex toys, circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (ofe  course) ... the list is endless.   8.  Circumcision???   F Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes< to insert circumcision into his trolling every now and then.C Apparently, JF was traumatized as a child because his parents, poorsB Hungarian immigrants to Canada, left him uncircumcised when he wasB born, as is the custom in most of the world.  Growing up in Canada@ where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time, he was? psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could heo@ arranged to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades ofE circumcision proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a4@ free willy.  His main argument is how much better he was able toB masturbate after getting circumcised without that "pesky foreskin"F getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has made it his mission in' life to spread the circumcision gospel.w  @ 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky.'  @ Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among theE subjects dear to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls,tE especially little boy's foreskins (and how tight they are) and littleh@ girls' hymens.  He is also a tireless activist and advocate thatC children should be taught to masturbate early on so that they don'tl, grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".  E He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check theirbC little boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, F proper movement, and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.A Utopia for JF would be a world full of parents manipulating their  little boys' penises.t  @ 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the+ minute!  Are you sure about all this stuff?   D Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a' decade full of Mezei trolling in there.b  C 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all thes time like all trolls do?  B Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling aliases.l  A 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't hed work?u  E Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, a-C grown man who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and @ trolls the newsgroups all night.  In his free time when he isn'tF trolling he likes to ride his bike down to Dorval Airport and race the# planes down the runway in his bike.e  9 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?   D Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he neverA got past the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor F (i.e. "pull my finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.  C 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about  them, is that true?m  @ Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in theB locker room.  He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has= seen in locker rooms over the years, especially his unnatural F obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the men in locker rooms trying toB measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is left if theyF have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case of phimosis.  @ 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insane asylum!  D Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin; foil hat world where others are out to get him.  The key to$F understanding JF is that he sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the worldD is out to get him, especially the USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about.  D What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian railD system was "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut,D spotting trains, writing down their numbers and chasing them down atB the train yard like a good freak.  Then he turned his attention toC aviation.  Major events that made him fall head first deep into thelC abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines and their subsequenteF takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid is he thatE when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employees D went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to coverE up the Air Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up ofs; the crash investigation.  He has never recovered from this.m  6 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!  F His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to someE ancient, arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has takenaA seriously for decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits andhC social dropouts who share his psychological traumas, crying for the 1 good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!.  ! 17.  Where else does he hang out?   @ can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geekyD computer groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster heB invaded the sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, andF trolled it relentlessly with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crapE he's so famous for.  But they ran him off that group and he had to go D crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail between his legs, licking his wounds.n  A 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects andr doesn't troll.  F Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so> he slips in troll bait every now and then, but by and large heA respects comp.os.vms, and, more importantly, he tries to hide hisRA trolling activities from them so they won't find out what a majore netkook he is.  F 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho he is!  E Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And whileaF you're at it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido? too.  And to alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, ando news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.  4 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address?  D Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:e  * abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com abuse@teranews.com  7 You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.d   TekSavvy Solutions Inc.- 330 Richmond St., Suite 205  Chatham, ON, Canadae N7M 1P7c  D And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups,C email it to people, you may host it at your own website, send it tomD newspapers and magazines that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.0     *** APPENDIX ***  @ List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over theF years.  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Any address shown in the From headern is unverified.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2004 14:10:49 -0800, From: "Nomen Nescio" <geoff_one@hotmail.com> Subject: ~ NomenNescio F A Q ~C Message-ID: <1103753449.106730.208570@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>o   FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS Abouti NOMEN NESCIO  : **********************************************************8 Simply put Mikey is a coward who should watch his back.    NN   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.710 ************************