1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 26 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 717       Contents:' Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft ' Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft ' Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft ' Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft ' Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft  Re: DECnet IV address 1.0  Re: DECnet IV address 1.0 ) Re: Legato vs VMS Backup -- Recover Speed  Re: Needing some help  Re: Needing some help * Re: Suggestion for SYSUAF.DAT improvements Re: WHOIS 1.6 updated   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:56:17 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)0 Subject: Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft$ Message-ID: <cqlubg$ks3$1@online.de>  C In article <1104042547.690118.274880@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, ' "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:    H > Then what *should* the courts do in your opinion? Nothing? Demand thatH > Microsoft come up with another OS to compete with itself? Apologies if  > I'm missing something obvious.  G They should carry out measures to do away with any unfair advantages of G the operating system itself.  For example, as of 1-JAN-2005 in Germany, G everyone who takes in sales tax (i.e. self-employed people, businesses, E freelancers) are REQUIRED to use a Windows program on a PC to send in E the necessary information (which used to be sent in on paper).  There E are no plans for a version of this software (download the executable) F for other operating systems.  We here have a case where the governmentH is requiring people to use Windows.  This is a much worse case of misuseH of a monopoly than the bundling issue.  (Actually, no software is neededC at all; the relevant information could be uploaded via a secure web G form, with whatever browser the user wants to use.)  The last I heard,  D there was a security bug in the software---all one needs is the tax D number, so if you know the tax number of ANYONE, you can change the  sales-tax records.  E Personally, I don't have the time or money to take this to court (my  D wife works as a freelancer and hence collects and pays sales tax).  I However, I haven't heard of anyone who is, and I don't think the chances   are very good.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 05:42:45 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 0 Subject: Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft( Message-ID: <opsjma1jfxzgicya@hyrrokkin>  K On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:56:17 +0000 (UTC), Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES   1 to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:   I > They should carry out measures to do away with any unfair advantages of I > the operating system itself.  For example, as of 1-JAN-2005 in Germany, I > everyone who takes in sales tax (i.e. self-employed people, businesses, G > freelancers) are REQUIRED to use a Windows program on a PC to send in G > the necessary information (which used to be sent in on paper).  There G > are no plans for a version of this software (download the executable) H > for other operating systems.  We here have a case where the governmentJ > is requiring people to use Windows.  This is a much worse case of misuseJ > of a monopoly than the bundling issue.  (Actually, no software is neededE > at all; the relevant information could be uploaded via a secure web H > form, with whatever browser the user wants to use.)  The last I heard,E > there was a security bug in the software---all one needs is the tax E > number, so if you know the tax number of ANYONE, you can change the  > sales-tax records.  A What is the Windows program?  Could you use Star Office on Linux?    --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:49:43 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)0 Subject: Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft$ Message-ID: <cqmmin$egd$2@online.de>  F In article <opsjma1jfxzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:     > What is the Windows program?     See   "    https://www.elster.de/index.php  F I haven't yet looked at this in much detail.  There was an article in F DER SPIEGEL (German weekly news magazine, similar to TIME or NEWSWEEK F but many more pages) a few weeks ago which mentioned that it requires E Windows and that no versions for other operating systems are planned.   % > Could you use Star Office on Linux?   H I don't know, as I'm not familiar with either.  It appears that all one F can download is a Windows Executable.  I don't know if Star Office or F Linux can run Windows executables, but even if they could, that's not F much better, from my point of view, than using a PC running Windows.  I Perhaps one could save on the Windows license, but a) this still assumes  I that "Windows is the preferred platform" and b) there would certainly be  % no support for non-Windows platforms.   H From my point of view, a VMS version should be available, if they insistA on the "download the executable" format.  However, as I mentioned H before, I don't see why the same functionality couldn't be achieved via 
 an HTML form.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:34:19 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 0 Subject: Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft( Message-ID: <opsjmizhpwzgicya@hyrrokkin>  K On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:49:43 +0000 (UTC), Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES   1 to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:   H > In article <opsjma1jfxzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>	 > writes:  >  >> What is the Windows program?  >  > See  > $ >    https://www.elster.de/index.php > G > I haven't yet looked at this in much detail.  There was an article in G > DER SPIEGEL (German weekly news magazine, similar to TIME or NEWSWEEK G > but many more pages) a few weeks ago which mentioned that it requires G > Windows and that no versions for other operating systems are planned.   I I read the pages you referred to and it isn't quite as odious as it first H looked.  It appears that Felfri (pron.  fehl-free) offers both Linux andH Mac versions.  I didn't read it in detail so I can't say how complete itI is,  but thinking about what the tax authorities are trying to accomplish D choice of Windows for the client would certainly give the broadest  	 coverage.   K What is perhaps more interesting, is what type of servers they are running. G I doubt, given the sensitivity of the data that this would be Windows    based,% More likely z-os (or perhaps VMS:-) )  > & >> Could you use Star Office on Linux? > I > I don't know, as I'm not familiar with either.  It appears that all one G > can download is a Windows Executable.  I don't know if Star Office or G > Linux can run Windows executables, but even if they could, that's not F > much better, from my point of view, than using a PC running Windows.J > Perhaps one could save on the Windows license, but a) this still assumesJ > that "Windows is the preferred platform" and b) there would certainly be' > no support for non-Windows platforms.  > J > From my point of view, a VMS version should be available, if they insistC > on the "download the executable" format.  However, as I mentioned I > before, I don't see why the same functionality couldn't be achieved via  > an HTML form.  >        --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:32:41 -0800 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> 0 Subject: Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft6 Message-ID: <3f119ada041226103244aa222@mail.gmail.com>  A On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:56:17 +0000 (UTC), Phillip Helbig---remove 9 CLOTHES to reply <helbig@astro.multiclothesvax.de> wrote: E > In article <1104042547.690118.274880@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, ( > "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: > J > > Then what *should* the courts do in your opinion? Nothing? Demand thatJ > > Microsoft come up with another OS to compete with itself? Apologies if" > > I'm missing something obvious. > I > They should carry out measures to do away with any unfair advantages of I > the operating system itself.  For example, as of 1-JAN-2005 in Germany, I > everyone who takes in sales tax (i.e. self-employed people, businesses, G > freelancers) are REQUIRED to use a Windows program on a PC to send in G > the necessary information (which used to be sent in on paper).  There G > are no plans for a version of this software (download the executable) H > for other operating systems.  We here have a case where the government% > is requiring people to use Windows.   C Tying threads together somewhat, but that's not quite true. They're E requiring users to run a system that presents a _Windows_environment_ C to an executable. There is at least one package available for Linux = (WINE- http://www.winehq.com/) that will do this- isn't there  something similar for MacOS?  E Assuming the software doesn't use any funny system calls (MS likes to F save those for themselves), this may run on one of those environments.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:38:09 +0100 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>" Subject: Re: DECnet IV address 1.0, Message-ID: <337m6rF3te6ooU1@individual.net>  K "Christoph Gartmann" <gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens> schreef in bericht * news:cqcaa3$76j$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de... > Hello, > K > I just discovered that our cluster alias has an id of "1.0". But for some G > reason it is impossible to remove the alias and recreate it with this  address.L > Why? Was it valid in the past and now in OpenVMS 7.3-1 no longer? Or is it a 
 > bug in NCP?  > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmann  >   J My best guess is that somebody made a mistake while setting up the initial7 cluster. 1.0 is definitely not a valid DECnet address .    NCP>sho node 1.0+ %NCP-F-PRMRNG, parameter value out of range   1.\0\ NCP>  L SCSSYSTEMID however, though related to the DECnet address, does allow valuesC that won't translate to a valid DECnet address. If there ever was a B restriction then it was lifted once DECnet was no longer a cluster% prerequisite. On VAX/VMS V6.1 system:    $ mc sysgen  SYSGEN>  SHO SCSSYSTEMIDG Parameter Name            Current    Default     Min.     Max.     Unit  Dynamic L --------------            -------    -------    -------  -------   ----  --- ----K SCSSYSTEMID                  1035          0        -1        -1 Pure-numbe  SYSGEN>   K OTOH the command SET HOST 0 is similar to TELNET 127.0.0.1, so a value of 0  has a meaning in DECnet.7 I'd go with the recommendation of Peter: get rid of it.    Hans   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:40:16 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)" Subject: Re: DECnet IV address 1.0$ Message-ID: <cqmm10$egd$1@online.de>  9 In article <337m6rF3te6ooU1@individual.net>, "Hans Vlems" " <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> writes:    > If there ever was a D > restriction then it was lifted once DECnet was no longer a cluster > prerequisite.   D Was DECnet EVER a prerequisite for clustering?  I realise that some I applications (PHONE) might not work properly in a cluster if there is no  C DECnet (fortunately, MONITOR can be run over TCPIP), but that is a  I mistake of the writer of the application---I don't think DECnet was ever  % a prerequisite for clustering per se.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:29:29 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> 2 Subject: Re: Legato vs VMS Backup -- Recover Speed0 Message-ID: <6u6dnckbishUV1PcRVn-pg@comcast.com>   Alan Fay wrote:    >    >   >>Date: 2004-08-19 21:00:17 PST & >>From: Alex (vms@iss-integration.com)1 >>Subject: Legato vs VMS Backup -- Recover Speed   >>Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  >>	  >>L >>Are there any VMS users who benchmarked a recent Legato client (6.0.1-D or= >>6.0.1-C) restore performance against the native VMS backup?  >>A >>I am looking for timing estimates for a disaster recovery test.  >>	 >>Thanks,  >>Alex >> >>     >> >  >  >Alex, > : >You may want to look at some of the performance examples = >in the NetBackup User's Guide for OpenVMS which is available  >from VERITAS support:-  > K >ftp://ftp.emea.support.veritas.com/pub/support/Products/NetBackup_OpenVMS/  >    nbu_v5_0_vms_pdf.zip  > 5 >Restore performance has been significantly improved.  > ; >The only way to really test this, is to try it yourself on % >your system and compare the results.  > 	 >Alan Fay  >VERITAS Software Corporation  >Roseville Engineering   >  >  >  >    > I The problem with Netbackup for disaster recovery is that, before you can  F recover your VMS system, you must first recover your Netbackup server H and, second, you must install  a Netbackup client.  All this before you 5 can even start restoring the rest of your VMS System!   E If you use VMS Backup, Sungard (or whoever you use) gives you a boot  I disk  which you use to boot the system.  You stick your backup tape in a   drive and start restoring.  G The other not nice thing about Netbackup is that, when a backup fails,  F it returns success!!  I not talking about Backup just encountering an I error backing up a particular file, I'm talking about a drop-dead halt!   F It says "server not responding" and exits.  There is no such thing as D checking your return status and sending E-mail to your pager when a F backup fails.   If the same job does more than one backup, the others F all fail silently as well.  If you want to know that a backup failed, E you have to run another job to examine the log file of the first job.   B When I tried to report it as a bug Veritas told me that this is a C feature!!!!!  Apparently the idea is that it's better to exit with  H success and "keep on trucking" than to allow the system manager to trap C the error with an ON ERROR statement and then do something halfway   intelligent.  G I would not use Netbackup for anything I would have to recover in case   of a disaster!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:48:54 +0100 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> Subject: Re: Needing some help, Message-ID: <3378p0F3t0t8aU1@individual.net>  K Well I guess I'm in the same surprised, somewhat shocked state you're in... G To be honest, this has never happened to me and I'm clueless about what L causes this problem. If you really want to go to 7.3 then an upgrade of your 6.2 disk might work.& And have an image backup available....   Hans  1 "cf" <carl.fulton@verizon.net> schreef in bericht & news:BXtzd.11771$2X6.10597@trnddc07... > Thank you for responding.  > Hope this makes sense.C > Snapshot of disk and controllers is as follows, there are 12 DSSI B > drives, 1 DSSI tape, the SCSI controler is a KZQSA. VMS 6.2 is aG > preinstalled system disk. I have made backup copies which run just as I > well hung off the KZQSA as they do running hung off the KFQSA, I do not & > have the CD or tape of the original. >  >>>sh dev > DSSI Bus 0 Node 0 (RF35B2) > -DIA0 (RF35) > DSSI Bus 0 Node 1 (RF35B3) > -DIA1 (RF35) > DSSI Bus 0 Node 2 (PATH8)  > -DIA8 (RF35) > DSSI Bus 0 Node 3 (PATH9)  > -DIA9 (RF35) > DSSI Bus 0 Node 4 (PATH10) > -DIA10 (RF35)  > DSSI Bus 0 Node 5 (PATH11) > -DIA11 (RF35)  > DSSI Bus 0 Node 6 (TF85) > -MIA0 (TF85) > DSSI Bus 0 Node 7 (*)  > DSSI Bus 1 Node 0 (PATH0)  > -DIB0 (RF35) > DSSI Bus 1 Node 1 (PATH1)  > -DIB1 (RF35) > DSSI Bus 1 Node 2 (PATH2)  > -DIB2 (RF35) > DSSI Bus 1 Node 3 (PATH3)  > -DIB3 (RF35) > DSSI Bus 1 Node 4 (PATH4)  > -DIB4 (RF35) > DSSI Bus 1 Node 5 (PATH5)  > -DIB5 (RF35) > DSSI Bus 1 Node 7 (*)  > $ > SCSI Adapter 0 (761300), SCSI ID 7 > -DKA0 (DEC RZ40-AA)  > -DKA100 (SEAGATE ST15150N) > -DKA200 (SEAGATE ST15150N) > -DKA300 (SEAGATE ST15150N) > -DKA400 (SEAGATE ST15150N) > -DKA500 (SEAGATE ST15150N) > -DKA600 (DEC RRD45)  > I > Just in case it was an issue with the SCSI I made as suggested an image G > backup of the Hobby CD onto dia11 of the DSSI drives, mounted and set F > def to $1$dia11:[000000]I then did a BACK/IMAGE/VERIFY vms073.b/save9 > $1$dib0: All went well until I try the boot, same error  >  >  >>>b dib0 > (BOOT/R5:0 DIB0) >  >    2..
 > -PATH0$DIB0  >    1..0..  >  > ? > %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk ? > %SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk < > %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping PAGEFILE.SYS on the System DiskK > %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT SAVEDUMP parameter not set to protect the PAGEFILE.SYS J >     OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version BI73-7G7 Major version id = 1 Minor version > id = 0 >  > ?12 DBL ERR2 >          PC = 90C8BF6C > Restarting system software.  >  > ?12 DBL ERR2 >          PC = 0001135D > Restart failure.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 07:42:25 GMT " From: cf <carl.fulton@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Needing some help, Message-ID: <BXtzd.11771$2X6.10597@trnddc07>   Thank you for responding.  Hope this makes sense.B Snapshot of disk and controllers is as follows, there are 12 DSSI A drives, 1 DSSI tape, the SCSI controler is a KZQSA. VMS 6.2 is a  F preinstalled system disk. I have made backup copies which run just as H well hung off the KZQSA as they do running hung off the KFQSA, I do not $ have the CD or tape of the original.
  >>>sh dev DSSI Bus 0 Node 0 (RF35B2) -DIA0 (RF35) DSSI Bus 0 Node 1 (RF35B3) -DIA1 (RF35) DSSI Bus 0 Node 2 (PATH8)  -DIA8 (RF35) DSSI Bus 0 Node 3 (PATH9)  -DIA9 (RF35) DSSI Bus 0 Node 4 (PATH10)
 -DIA10 (RF35)  DSSI Bus 0 Node 5 (PATH11)
 -DIA11 (RF35)  DSSI Bus 0 Node 6 (TF85) -MIA0 (TF85) DSSI Bus 0 Node 7 (*)  DSSI Bus 1 Node 0 (PATH0)  -DIB0 (RF35) DSSI Bus 1 Node 1 (PATH1)  -DIB1 (RF35) DSSI Bus 1 Node 2 (PATH2)  -DIB2 (RF35) DSSI Bus 1 Node 3 (PATH3)  -DIB3 (RF35) DSSI Bus 1 Node 4 (PATH4)  -DIB4 (RF35) DSSI Bus 1 Node 5 (PATH5)  -DIB5 (RF35) DSSI Bus 1 Node 7 (*)   " SCSI Adapter 0 (761300), SCSI ID 7 -DKA0 (DEC RZ40-AA)  -DKA100 (SEAGATE ST15150N) -DKA200 (SEAGATE ST15150N) -DKA300 (SEAGATE ST15150N) -DKA400 (SEAGATE ST15150N) -DKA500 (SEAGATE ST15150N) -DKA600 (DEC RRD45)   H Just in case it was an issue with the SCSI I made as suggested an image F backup of the Hobby CD onto dia11 of the DSSI drives, mounted and set E def to $1$dia11:[000000]I then did a BACK/IMAGE/VERIFY vms073.b/save  7 $1$dib0: All went well until I try the boot, same error   
  >>>b dib0 (BOOT/R5:0 DIB0)      2.. -PATH0$DIB0 	    1..0..     = %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk = %SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk : %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping PAGEFILE.SYS on the System DiskI %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT SAVEDUMP parameter not set to protect the PAGEFILE.SYS I     OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version BI73-7G7 Major version id = 1 Minor version   id = 0   ?12 DBL ERR2          PC = 90C8BF6C Restarting system software.    ?12 DBL ERR2          PC = 0001135D Restart failure. Hans Vlems wrote:    > Carl,  > D > try this (if you haven't done that already) since you seem to have > sufficient diskspace: 
 > - boot V6.2  > - mount the 7.3 CDK > - copy the VMS073.% files from cd to the master directory ([000000]) of a 
 > harddisk+ > - backup/image vms073.b/save <targetdisk> 9 > - boot from <targetdisk> and continue the installation.  > H > IIRC a 4500 is a DSSI machine and has no native SCSI. Perhaps V6.2 was > installed from tape? >  > Hans > 3 > "cf" <carl.fulton@verizon.net> schreef in bericht & > news:rS3zd.5074$tG3.2755@trnddc02... >  >>Need help I >>Trying to upgrade vax vms 6.2 to 7.3 using the hobby cd (I've purchased G >>two because of the same problem with what I thought might be with the  >>first cd) C >>System is VAX 4000 - 500 256 meg mem 6 scsi disks and 1 cd drive.  >>Runs fine with vms 6.20 >>When I do upgrade refuses to boot with new os. >>F >>If I boot from cd or from drive created with backup of save set b to >>another drive I get  >> >> >>>B/10000000 DKA400  >>(BOOT/R5:10000000 DKA400)  >>   2..	 >>-DKA400  >>   1..0.. ? >>%SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk ? >>%SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk @ >>%SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map PAGEFILE.SYS on the System DiskK >>    OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version X7G7 Major version id = 1 Minor version id =  >  > 0  >  >>?12 DBL ERR2 >>         PC = 90C96FAC >>Restarting system software.  >>?12 DBL ERR2 >>         PC = 0001135D >>Restart failure. >>Loading system software.? >>Then boots vms 6.2 with original boot drive which boots fine. = >>This is a hobby system so am confined to internet for help. I >>This is driving me nuts, any ideas? or can you point me to a reference?  >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Dec 2004 03:58:45 -0800) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> 3 Subject: Re: Suggestion for SYSUAF.DAT improvements B Message-ID: <1104062325.883644.54490@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote: A > The /INTERACTIVE /NETWORK /REMOTE  qualifiers in AUTHORIZE have 
 become farily * > irrelevant in this day and age of TCPIP. > B > I would suggest the addition of a few bytes of bit flags to deny	 access to D > certain well known TCPIP services. For instance, a user might have
 FTP but noE > Telnet access, or vice versa, you may have POP and IMAP, but no FTP 
 or TELNET.B >  At present, it seems impossible to accomplish on a user by user basis. > E > By default, you'd grant access unless the flag is set and the TCPIP  Services= > has been upgraded to have the applications check that flag.    JF,   G With all due respect, I think that adding bits to the SYSUAF record for F these purposes is not the best path. A far better path would be to useF the approach described in one of my DECUS sessions a while back, whichB is also used by some elements of DECnet V, that of using RIGHTLIST identifiers to control access.  F There are far fewer limits on the number of RIGHTSLIST identifiers youB may hold, and they are far easier to check once a process has beenF started. Adding fields to SYSUAF raises problems with interoperabilityA between releases, as well as incompatibility issues with existing 
 utilities.  - Best wishes for a happy and healthy New Year! $ - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 03:22:36 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: WHOIS 1.6 updated, Message-ID: <41CE74C8.FC729995@teksavvy.com>   Alex Daniels wrote: F > I see http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/whois.html is still FUDing TCP/IP > Services.   K Sorry, haven't gotten around to updating the pages. However, the Whois that M comes with the TCPIP services only goes to one server and expects that server R to provide referal to other servers in all .tlds. This doesn't work for many TLDs.  L > Maybe while you are waiting for a compile on your "mighty MicroVAX II" you > can update the page.  L Its the "*all* mighty Microvax II" (and I am not that much of a masochist, I compile on other machines :-)   L > I also consider it pretty bad practice to release new versions of the same/ > software, without changing the version number   K Yes, I know. But this change was extremely small, (just change 2 words in a I header file), and there was no updates the the whois server list, so this L provides no new functionality and nobody had ever complained to me about theN AS number bug. Just wanted a heads up in case someone did encounter the bug so' they knew they could download it again.   M There are some new TLDs coming, and when that happens, a new version with new   version number will be released.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.717 ************************