1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 27 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 719       Contents:= Re: alpha team and tukwila cancelled ... itanium done for ... = Re: alpha team and tukwila cancelled ... itanium done for ... G Arthur C. Clarke is OK (was: Re: HP pulls out of IA64 chip development)  Re: DECnet IV address 1.0  Re: DECnet IV address 1.0  Re: DECnet IV address 1.0  Re: DECnet IV address 1.0 ) Re: HP pulls out of IA64 chip development ) Re: HP pulls out of IA64 chip development ) Re: Legato vs VMS Backup -- Recover Speed  Re: Needing some help . Re: Restore from DLT-IV Tapes in an SDLT Drive. Re: Restore from DLT-IV Tapes in an SDLT Drive  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2004 09:55:18 -06004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)F Subject: Re: alpha team and tukwila cancelled ... itanium done for ...3 Message-ID: <JIyrvOsSGV5b@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <41C758A8.E6E6E3F0@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:3 > HP would then be somewhere between Dell and Sony.   J HP will always be the company that made the best handheld calculators. And not much else of note.  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I         Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it 4         with religious conviction. --  Blaise Pascal   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:02:57 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> F Subject: Re: alpha team and tukwila cancelled ... itanium done for ...* Message-ID: <cqpf81$9u$1@naig.caltech.edu>   Bob Kaplow wrote: ^ > In article <41C758A8.E6E6E3F0@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > 3 >>HP would then be somewhere between Dell and Sony.  >  > L > HP will always be the company that made the best handheld calculators. And > not much else of note.  G Not true!  They also made excellent test instruments and some very nice F optoelectronic parts.  The descendents of the instrumentation part of G the business now reside in Agilent.  Not sure where the optoelectronics 	 ended up.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2004 09:40:21 -0800) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com> P Subject: Arthur C. Clarke is OK (was: Re: HP pulls out of IA64 chip development)B Message-ID: <1104169221.629271.85420@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote (in part): 2 > BTW, does anyone know if Arthur C Clarke is OK ?  C The following was posted on The Arthur C. Clarke Foundation website # <http://www.clarkefoundation.org/>:    12.27.04  E >From Sir Arthur regarding the recent tsunamis in South and Southeast  Asia: B Thank you for your concern about my safety in the wake of Sunday's devastating tidal wave.   F I am enormously relieved that my family and household have escaped theB ravages of the sea that suddenly invaded most parts of coastal Sri& Lanka, leaving a trail of destruction.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:41:41 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)" Subject: Re: DECnet IV address 1.0$ Message-ID: <cqoebk$jvm$2@online.de>  E In article <newscache$aukc9i$q9b$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at $ (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:   8 > >You use SYSMAN to control remote systems over TCPIP ?* > >Can you share details (like TCP port) ? > > > Ok, forget it. You said cluster. There, SYSMAN is using SCS. > 1 > You need DECnet for nonclustered remote systems > > and AFAIK it is still not possible to run SYSMAN over TCPIP.  9 Right.  Outside a cluster, I suppose it does want DECnet.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:41:04 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)" Subject: Re: DECnet IV address 1.0$ Message-ID: <cqoeag$jvm$1@online.de>  E In article <newscache$3hkc9i$5za$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at $ (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:   y > In article <cqn7jm$2g1$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: K > >My hobbyist cluster has three nodes at the moment (2 VAX and 1 ALPHA).   K > >I use SYSMAN all the time.  No node in the cluster has DECnet installed.  > 7 > You use SYSMAN to control remote systems over TCPIP ? ) > Can you share details (like TCP port) ?   G I certainly didn't tell it to use TCPIP (like I did with monitor).  It  * just works out of the box, without DECnet.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:55:31 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)" Subject: Re: DECnet IV address 1.0$ Message-ID: <cqp0o2$8si$1@online.de>  E In article <newscache$aukc9i$q9b$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at $ (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:   8 > >You use SYSMAN to control remote systems over TCPIP ?* > >Can you share details (like TCP port) ? > > > Ok, forget it. You said cluster. There, SYSMAN is using SCS. > > 3 > > You need DECnet for nonclustered remote systems @ > > and AFAIK it is still not possible to run SYSMAN over TCPIP.  A Right, but the original question was "is/was DECnet required for  
 clustering?".    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Dec 2004 17:41:35 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)" Subject: Re: DECnet IV address 1.00 Message-ID: <cqphgf$qrm$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  j In article <newscache$nora9i$90c1$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:p >In article <cqcaa3$76j$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) writes:K >>I just discovered that our cluster alias has an id of "1.0". But for some P >>reason it is impossible to remove the alias and recreate it with this address.N >>Why? Was it valid in the past and now in OpenVMS 7.3-1 no longer? Or is it a
 >>bug in NCP?  > & >1.0 was never a valid DECnet address.N >Get rid of it and don't waste your time to find out who/where/when allows it.  N Sigh, this requires me to modify a whole bunch of hostd in my DECnet database.I I think the 1.0 originates from VMS 4.7 or even before, long before I was I responsible for the whole thing. For the time being I restored the DECnet H database from backup and things are fine again with the cluster alias on9 address 1.0. But I will change it when I am back to work.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2004 10:36:14 -06004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)2 Subject: Re: HP pulls out of IA64 chip development3 Message-ID: <7LXD4uryxeGD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <OvMyd.4965$7j4.2482@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: D > "Was" good Larry.  HP consolidated its meal services.  Now we haveL > kind-of-OK food, at prices that make you want to go out to lunch ($5 for a > soup and ice tea).  I My last couple years at DEC (89-91) we had a facility cafeteria. The food B vendor didn't pay rent, or for utilities. All the food preparationH equipment, from refrigerators, dishwashers, ovens to trays, glasses, andJ silverware were DEC. All the vendor had to provide was food and labor. AndJ they were still WAY more expensive than the surrounding food businesses. I" never spent my money to eat there.  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I         Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it 4         with religious conviction. --  Blaise Pascal   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:13:43 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: HP pulls out of IA64 chip development, Message-ID: <41D042B9.2491AF36@teksavvy.com>   Bob Kaplow wrote:  >  All the food preparation J > equipment, from refrigerators, dishwashers, ovens to trays, glasses, and > silverware were DEC.    K Well, another missed opportunity... so DEC developped all these systems and  never marketed them.  K Were they able to cluster the DECfrigirators with the DECwashers, DECtrays,  DECglasses, DECware together ?    0 BTW, does anyone know if Arthur C Clarke is OK ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:55:47 +0000 % From: Alan Fay <alan.fay@veritas.com> 2 Subject: Re: Legato vs VMS Backup -- Recover Speed4 Message-ID: <cqpbao$gij$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   	  Richard,  B Backup and restore status is reported correctly by the VMS client.A In fact there are DCL command procedure examples in the NetBackup B User's Guide for OpenVMS which is available from VERITAS support:-  B ftp://ftp.emea.veritas.com/pub/support/Products/NetBackup_OpenVMS/     nbu_v5_0_vms_pdf.zip  / Please see section 14 "DCL Command Procedures".   C Could you also make sure that you are running the latest 4.5 or 5.0 @ maintenance pack which are also available from VERITAS support:-  B ftp://ftp.emea.veritas.com/pub/support/Products/NetBackup_OpenVMS/  6 The lastest maintenance packs are 4.5_MP7 and 5.0_MP1.   Alan Fay VERITAS Software Corporation   Roseville Engineering     3 > From: Richard B. Gilbert (rgilbert88@comcast.net) 5 > Subject: Re: Legato vs VMS Backup -- Recover Speed   > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms   > Date: 2004-12-26 06:29:30 PST  > 	  > K > The problem with Netbackup for disaster recovery is that, before you can  H > recover your VMS system, you must first recover your Netbackup server J > and, second, you must install  a Netbackup client.  All this before you 7 > can even start restoring the rest of your VMS System!  > G > If you use VMS Backup, Sungard (or whoever you use) gives you a boot  K > disk  which you use to boot the system.  You stick your backup tape in a   > drive and start restoring. > I > The other not nice thing about Netbackup is that, when a backup fails,  H > it returns success!!  I not talking about Backup just encountering an K > error backing up a particular file, I'm talking about a drop-dead halt!   H > It says "server not responding" and exits.  There is no such thing as F > checking your return status and sending E-mail to your pager when a H > backup fails.   If the same job does more than one backup, the others H > all fail silently as well.  If you want to know that a backup failed, G > you have to run another job to examine the log file of the first job.  > D > When I tried to report it as a bug Veritas told me that this is a E > feature!!!!!  Apparently the idea is that it's better to exit with  J > success and "keep on trucking" than to allow the system manager to trap E > the error with an ON ERROR statement and then do something halfway   > intelligent. > I > I would not use Netbackup for anything I would have to recover in case   > of a disaster!   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:37:15 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: Needing some help- Message-ID: <87sm5rg3bo.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   . "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> writes:  , > <prep@prep.synonet.com> schreef in bericht) > news:87brchgjn9.fsf@prep.synonet.com... 1 >> "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> writes:   C >> > My memory was never that reliable but AFAIK there's no VAX/VMS H >> > release that requires a VAX firmware upgrade. Unlike the AXP, a VAX >> > is a VAX, right?   1 >> No, 3.2 required ECO7 firmware, aka `Twinkle'.   L > I'm glad you mention VMS 3.2. It's not my memory at fault here but lack of* > exerience: 3.4 was my first VMS release./ > What did Twinkle do, or why was it necessary?   E It was needed for CI's as I recall, so a scene setter for clustering.   0 I must dig out the old tapes and MP3 them all...   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:33:48 -0500 " From: "BillC" <bclark_at_lrgh.org>7 Subject: Re: Restore from DLT-IV Tapes in an SDLT Drive = Message-ID: <h-OdnTjxQ4y7tk3cRVn-vA@metrocastcablevision.com>    ??? 1  I did not know that. thanks for the information.   C i was told by my local HP Service Tech-s  to try this option in the I first place; i'll have to get on their case for causing me some potential  data loss.    happy holidays.       ; "Silvo Bozovicar" <silvo.bozovicar@snt.si> wrote in message  news:41CBD681.AB0B386@snt.si...  > BillC wrote: > > 
 > > greetings  > > K > >       am exasperated by my SDLT Tape drive's behavior. i have an AS4100 I > >       with a TZ887 writing backups to DLT-IV Tapes; it takes FOREVER.  > > ; > >       (FOREVER  = 22 1/4 hours in each 24 hour period).  > > K > >       it has become almost impossible to restore files without aborting  a  > > current  > >       backup.  > > J > >       i also have an ES45 with an SDLT   Drive. it is wicked fast, and the  > > tapeL > >       drive is available about 16 hours per day.      so, i use the SDLT > > drive toI > >       read files from the DLT-IV Tapes. this used to work nicely, and  the H > >       file-restore times *were* pleasantly short.   lately however i cannot > > seemF > >       to 'BACKUP/select=...' from these DLT-IV tapes in acceptable > G >  I hope you have read manuals from SDLT tape and i hope that you know  > thatG > reading heads are much stronger than those in DLT8000. That means you  > can F > read DLT-IV tapes in SDLT only once (reliable), second time data and > labelsF > can/will get corupted. Also  those DLT-IV will become useless as you
 > will not be ( > able read or write them anywhere else. > I > Only solution for reusing those migrated tapes is to take them into the 	 > special F > machine with strong magnetic field in it to erase entire tape, those	 > erasers & > are quite expensive (around $ 5000).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:34:52 -0500 " From: "BillC" <bclark_at_lrgh.org>7 Subject: Re: Restore from DLT-IV Tapes in an SDLT Drive = Message-ID: <ZeOdnavvx8P4tk3cRVn-ow@metrocastcablevision.com>    yessir. here 'tis:   $ K               back/image/ignore=(interlock,nobackup,label)/noass/norewind - >                         /block=40960/media_format=compaction -7                         /list=LPD_LOG:SMSPRDDAT01.lis - >                         _$1$DKF102: tape1:SMSPRDDAT01.sav/save   thanks.     0 "jjinva" <jjinva@earthlink.net> wrote in message= news:1103827159.308674.276440@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  >  > BillC wrote:@ > >       i must use wild card, or the files are never found.... > > - > >      $  backup/log/rewind tape:*.SAV/SAVE - > > /select=([SMSPRD.PDS.LIS]PDL0064.LIS;*) - ( > >                 DSA18:[RESTORE]*.*;* > > H > >     this used to work (i have log files to prove it !! i'm not crazy > !! > > well , that's another post)  > >  > >        $  backup/log/rewind F > > tape:SMSPRDLST00.SAV/SAVE/select=([SMSPRD.PDS.LIS]PDL0064.LIS;*) -( > >                 DSA18:[RESTORE]*.*;* > > @ > >     any thoughts or similar experiences greatly appreciated. > >  > > b clark at lrgh dot org > > Can you post the backup command that creates these savesets? >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.719 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                          