1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 29 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 723       Contents:' Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft ' Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft ' Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft  ftp  Re: ftp  Re: ftp P Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal  wave iP Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal  wave iP Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal  wave iP Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal wave inP Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal wave inP Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal wave in8 Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh< Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh< Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh< Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh< Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh< Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh< Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh Re: Need UNIX clarification  Re: Need UNIX clarification  Re: Needing some help * Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available* Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available* Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available8 Re: OT:  anybody know the details on the COMAIR debacle? Re: Rdb in Datamation  Re: Rdb in Datamation 0 Santa Clause like you have never seen him before Re: Supported Itanium hardware Re: Supported Itanium hardware TeX / LaTeX for Open VMS Re: TeX / LaTeX for Open VMS Re: TeX / LaTeX for Open VMS Re: Time to revive Emerald? " Re: TruCluster/AdvFS open-sourced?B Re: Unsupported Itanium hardware (was: Supported Itanium hardware)B Re: Unsupported Itanium hardware (was: Supported Itanium hardware). VMS field test update for Itanium installation2 Re: VMS field test update for Itanium installation2 Re: VMS field test update for Itanium installation ~ Happy New Year ~  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 29 Dec 2004 17:14:24 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)0 Subject: Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft, Message-ID: <33g6vgF40f3rmU1@individual.net>  8 In article <3g3ls0lsh599kb9pl8g914ttp7daipq3mq@4ax.com>,$ 	Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes: > P > Did any of the various companies providing 3rd party TCP/IP stacks for WindowsP > sue Microsoft when Windows for Workgroups 3.11 shipped with integrated TCP/IP?  F Just because the sardine decides not to take on the shark doesn't meanH the shark wasn't a bully.  Discretion being the better part of valor....   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 29 Dec 2004 17:51:05 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)0 Subject: Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft, Message-ID: <33g949F40f3rmU2@individual.net>  - In article <87brcdxjga.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,  	prep@prep.synonet.com writes:/ > Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes:  >  >> Dave Froble wrote:  > G >>> So what is Free BSD and such?  Why haven't those products done what + >>> the Linux proponents claim will happen?  > E >> AT&T sued FreeBSD on copyright issues.  Companies would not use it @ >> because of that.  Linux had already got so much momentum whenA >> FreeBSD won, that FreeBSD has not been capable of catching up.  > E > No, AT&T sued BSDi et al. The first open x86 unix was the Jolitze's C > work. From that, the push onto PC for `bsd' line systems started.  > C >> Besides, the BSD license allows you to compile BSD code into you F >> closed source products.  I would not trust companies to continue toI >> let their code be open source, if they are not forced to do so, and to E >> me one of the most important advantages is that it is open source. H >> The BSD license is not as attractive from a customer view as the GPL,, >> e.g., Bill Gates hates GPL and likes BSD. > F > But you can also take BSD licence code and re-spin it under the GPL.  < You can, but the only party that the GPL would cover is your: modifications. I can't imagine why you wold bother or that# anyone in the BSD camp would care.     > D > Why did Linux take off and not ???BSD? Part fashion, and gnu knowsH > what drives that, and part doubt from BSD, BSD-lite, Open BSD, NetBSD,
 > FreeBSD.  @ No, Marketing.  Linux has been hyped to high-heaven almost sinceA it's inception.  BSD has never had anyone intereted in marketing. B As a result, the superior product sits in the background while theH inferior product grows in publicity and market share. (Sound familiar??)   bill      --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:33:41 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 0 Subject: Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft- Message-ID: <87brcdxjga.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   - Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes:    > Dave Froble wrote:  F >> So what is Free BSD and such?  Why haven't those products done what* >> the Linux proponents claim will happen?  D > AT&T sued FreeBSD on copyright issues.  Companies would not use it? > because of that.  Linux had already got so much momentum when @ > FreeBSD won, that FreeBSD has not been capable of catching up.  C No, AT&T sued BSDi et al. The first open x86 unix was the Jolitze's A work. From that, the push onto PC for `bsd' line systems started.   B > Besides, the BSD license allows you to compile BSD code into youE > closed source products.  I would not trust companies to continue to H > let their code be open source, if they are not forced to do so, and toD > me one of the most important advantages is that it is open source.G > The BSD license is not as attractive from a customer view as the GPL, + > e.g., Bill Gates hates GPL and likes BSD.   D But you can also take BSD licence code and re-spin it under the GPL.  B Why did Linux take off and not ???BSD? Part fashion, and gnu knowsF what drives that, and part doubt from BSD, BSD-lite, Open BSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:16:47 -0500 ! From: "Brian" <n9000@hotmail.com>  Subject: ftp3 Message-ID: <3EBAd.1528$df.93066@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   : is there a way to ftp from the vax to the Windows server?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:29:41 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: ftp+ Message-ID: <41D2E985.11082E4B@comcast.net>    Brian wrote: > ; > is there a way to ftp from the vax to the Windows server?   H Yes, provided the "VAX" (is it really a VAX running OpenVMS, or is it an2 ALpha running OpenVMS?) is running a TCP/IP stack.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:22:28 +0100 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> Subject: Re: ftp, Message-ID: <33gb11F3u4g2iU1@individual.net>  . "Brian" <n9000@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht- news:3EBAd.1528$df.93066@tor-nn1.netcom.ca... ; > is there a way to ftp from the vax to the Windows server?  >  > I If the problem you're trying to solve is with the Windows system then you @ might want to have a look at CesarFTP (http://www.aclogic.com/).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 03:07:52 -0800 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>Y Subject: Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal  wave i 2 Message-ID: <b8KdnTet8_nTEk_cRVn-3Q@mpowercom.net>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:41D25E3A.861A2173@teksavvy.com...J > There were reports of high-than-usual water levesl on west coast of USA  > and $ > mexico. Any similar news in asia ? > K I took a look at the waterfront at the Kowloon Bay area from HK Island, no  M unusual high water mark.  The sidewalk is a few meters above the water line,  K sea level looked normal to me, no high water marks further up the pilings.  M Nothing unusual at the old airport site either.  A friend of mine out in the  K New Territories went down to the beach below his apartment, nothing out of  H the ordinary.  There hasn't been anything about Vietnam on CCTV news or ' Radio 5 about any kind of damage there.    Jack Peacock* (on a weeklong working vacation in China)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:44:27 +0100 , From: "Dr. Dweeb" <5msg0h202@sneakemail.com>Y Subject: Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal  wave i - Message-ID: <cqumtm$1qnc$1@news.cybercity.dk>    JF Mezei wrote: $ > susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: >>E >> I just keep worrying every time I look at the news.  If anyone has / >> any information can they please let me know.  > F > Sue, it will take quite some time to find out. The wave videos we'veC > seen were taken from areas where the tsunami wasn't very bad. BBC F > went to another beach resort yesterday and their report was not onlyA > of total devastation, but also quite gruesome. It takes time to - > declare someone dead when you have no body.  > G > If I may make a suggestion though, if VMS engineering and ambassadors > > and maybe even customers could all make contributions to theE > international red cross or Unicef, and then you could issue a press   J After the 9/11 debacle, the Red Cross is not the organisation of choice as to where I would donate money!  	 Dr. Dweeb   G > release explaining how the VMS folks have donated to Unicef/Red-Cross C > and inviting everyone else to do the same to help people in need.  > G > It would show some leadership and be a good example of good corporate @ > citizenship. And it would put the VMS name out into the media.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 02:02:57 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal  wave i , Message-ID: <41D2567B.73B5794E@teksavvy.com>   Dan Foster wrote: K > That's an interesting idea, but this tragedy transcends a PR opportunity.   M Band Aid is a huge PR oppportunity. But it got millions to buy the record and H now the CD to help the poor. People in leadership positions can use such7 leadership position to lead people into donating money.   H The goal isn't to sell VMS, but rather tell the world/mddia that the VMSL community is donating money, essentially challenging (or giving the example)L to other communities to also get together and donate money.  The positive PR" impact is just a nice side effect.  @ > If anybody would like to know how to help, one place would be: > G > http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/quake.aidsites/index.html     J The only 2 aid organisation that count are the international red cross/redM crescent (through your national organisation) and the UN (Unicef and Oxfam).  M They are the ones with people on site. And more importantly, not everyone has H access to Sumatra since the hardest hit area was in a state of civil warM before the calamity. Only the red cross and the UN are really in any position M to deliver help to the region since they already have people on site and have I contacts with the local governments to coordinate what help and goods are M needed. The small organisation in a western country is in no position to know M how to help and its efforts, while laudable, may not end up helping anyone in  the target region.  N I realise that the republicans and CNN have made it their mission to discreditM the UN, but you have to get over the local USA politics and accept that it is L the best organisation for such a disaster (along with red cross).  DonationsM to any other organisations will essentially end up either being transfered to N UN and/or red cross, or be declared useless (such as food) and not go anywhere outside the USA.  J BTW, sending warships at a time the USA military has such a terrible imageL isn't a very good idea. The last thing people there want is to have to worryM about a USA military invasion. Producing drinking water isn't the problem. It % is carrying it to the affected areas.   I Remember that it is only the areas near shores have have been devastated, F except for the northern tip of Aceh province which got hit by both theJ earthquake and tsunami. The rest of the countries involved are still fullyL functional. The problem is getting the help through the last 6km where roadsK are blocked, and getting the equipment to clear the rubble, dig bodies from J beaches, and collect the body parts that return to the shores after having been washed to sea.   J Once the initial cleanup/survival phase is stabilized, reconstruction mustN begin. Those countries have the ability to reconstruct, but not the money. For? instance, individual villages must rebuild fishery, tourism etc J infrastructure. We, in the west, can't decide what needs to be done, it is/ people on site that know what needs to be done.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:17:00 -0800 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>Y Subject: Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal wave in 2 Message-ID: <RPednS3Q5IOKxE_cRVn-ow@mpowercom.net>  / <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message  < news:1104276943.900820.93840@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...G >I just keep worrying every time I look at the news.  If anyone has any * > information can they please let me know. > J No damage at all to the north, here in southern China.  No reports of any M quake or tsunami problems around this part of the South China Sea.  I didn't  H even feel the quake, and I was about ten stories up at the time. Nohing K unusual in the harbor.  It looks like the tsunamis were all to the west of  K Sumatra.  Local news in Hong Kong is full of stories, mostly about several  K hundred chinese tourists missing or stranded in Phuket, Thailand (that's a   major asian resort area).    Jack Peacock     ------------------------------    Date: 29 Dec 2004 04:22:11 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Y Subject: Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal wave in 3 Message-ID: <+hV4QBdYamVl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <RPednS3Q5IOKxE_cRVn-ow@mpowercom.net>, "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> writes: 1 > <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message  > > news:1104276943.900820.93840@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...H >>I just keep worrying every time I look at the news.  If anyone has any+ >> information can they please let me know.  >>L > No damage at all to the north, here in southern China.  No reports of any O > quake or tsunami problems around this part of the South China Sea.  I didn't  J > even feel the quake, and I was about ten stories up at the time. Nohing M > unusual in the harbor.  It looks like the tsunamis were all to the west of  M > Sumatra.  Local news in Hong Kong is full of stories, mostly about several  M > hundred chinese tourists missing or stranded in Phuket, Thailand (that's a   > major asian resort area).   E Yes, I had been wondering why all the reports of damage from Thailand F but not from Vietnam which is also on the Indochina peninsula.  It wasD quite instructive to stop the ReplayTV and get a look at the networkD news map for the region.  The South China Sea is quite shielded, andC contrary to localized experience with ocean swells, it would seem a ) Tsunami is ineffective at taking corners.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 02:36:02 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal wave in , Message-ID: <41D25E3A.861A2173@teksavvy.com>   Jack Peacock wrote: B > Local news in Hong Kong is full of stories, mostly about severalL > hundred chinese tourists missing or stranded in Phuket, Thailand (that's a > major asian resort area).   K There were reports of high-than-usual water levesl on west coast of USA and " mexico. Any similar news in asia ?  L In terms of tourists, you need to understand that a tourist whose hotel roomK has been washed out won't have a ticket nor a passport back home.  Tourists I must meet with consular representatives who are visiting resort towns and J arrange for temporary papers and a ticket back home. If the tourist was onM beach on bathing suit, he may not even have a wallet with him. The airport at T Phuket re-opened fairly rapidly after the event, but many had to wait to get papers.  N And now, most scheduled flights have been cancelled for quite some time. So ifK the chinese aren't organising flights back, chinese nationals would have to G arrange for transport on some other country's plane to a hub such as to B bangkok where a regular flight could be gotten back to their home.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Dec 2004 04:41:45 -0800  From: "amk" <sumdavar@yahoo.com>A Subject: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh B Message-ID: <1104324105.678340.52110@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   HI all,   8 I need a way (in DCL, if possible) to  find, from within= an existing process, if this process was logged-in using SSH. A As a matter of fact, I want to deny access from interactive users " trying to login without using SSH.   Thanks,  Amk    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:10:05 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGE Subject: Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh 0 Message-ID: <00A3D106.44E81E54@SendSpamHere.ORG>  e In article <1104324105.678340.52110@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "amk" <sumdavar@yahoo.com> writes:  >  >HI all, > 9 >I need a way (in DCL, if possible) to  find, from within > >an existing process, if this process was logged-in using SSH.B >As a matter of fact, I want to deny access from interactive users# >trying to login without using SSH.    Which ssh and TCP/IP stack?    --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Dec 2004 05:42:47 -0800  From: "amk" <sumdavar@yahoo.com>E Subject: Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh B Message-ID: <1104327767.955067.15580@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   Hi,   B I'm talking about HP TCP/IP Version 5.4, using its ssh service. My OpenVMS version is V7.3-1.   Amk.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:03:23 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGE Subject: Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh 0 Message-ID: <00A3D116.18D5775D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  e In article <1104327767.955067.15580@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "amk" <sumdavar@yahoo.com> writes:  >  >Hi, > C >I'm talking about HP TCP/IP Version 5.4, using its ssh service. My  >OpenVMS version is V7.3-1.  >  >Amk.  >     F If I could make it work on my machine, I might have an answer for you.  G Personally, the more I deal with this TCP/IP services stuff, the more I , feel that HP ought to just license MultiNet.   --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:17:54 -0800 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> E Subject: Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh 7 Message-ID: <3f119ada04122907173449b16f@mail.gmail.com>   > On 29 Dec 2004 04:41:45 -0800, amk <sumdavar@yahoo.com> wrote:C > As a matter of fact, I want to deny access from interactive users $ > trying to login without using SSH.  ( That's easy- turn off the TELNET server.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:27:27 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>E Subject: Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh + Message-ID: <41D2E8FE.288912CF@comcast.net>   
 amk wrote: > 	 > HI all,  > : > I need a way (in DCL, if possible) to  find, from within? > an existing process, if this process was logged-in using SSH. C > As a matter of fact, I want to deny access from interactive users $ > trying to login without using SSH.  < Does F$GETDVI( "TT", "TT_ACCPORNAM" ) return anything easily identifiable as an SSH source?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:05:12 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)E Subject: Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh ) Message-ID: <04122912051187@antinode.org>   2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>   > amk wrote:< > > I need a way (in DCL, if possible) to  find, from withinA > > an existing process, if this process was logged-in using SSH. E > > As a matter of fact, I want to deny access from interactive users & > > trying to login without using SSH. > > > Does F$GETDVI( "TT", "TT_ACCPORNAM" ) return anything easily  > identifiable as an SSH source?  
 alp $ ssh alp  Authentication successful.? @ SYS$MANAGER:ANNOUNCE.TXT              <--- Great stuff, this.    [...]   6 alp $ write sys$output F$GETDVI( "TT", "TT_ACCPORNAM")G                                         <--- Beat that for informative.  alp $ show logi tt'    "TT" = "_FTA41:" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)   E    RLOGIN/RSH and TELNET give "_TNAxx:".  Perhaps FTA is distinctive.    ALP $ prod show prod /full [...]  DEC AXPVMS TCPIP_SSH T5.3-15 DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.3-1  [...]   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Dec 2004 02:01:19 -0800 From: "Ben" <cellctl@lycos.com> $ Subject: Re: Need UNIX clarificationB Message-ID: <1104314479.610621.50510@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  D Threads?  That's total bullcrap.  You'd have a harder time finding aF non-multithreaded UNIX.  Who gave you that information?  Sounds like a* salesman trying to take adavantage of you.  D If you're running Solaris, like you mentioned, you can use dtrace toF track down the problem.  Read Sun's tutorial... it includes an exampleF on how to fix exactly what you describe.  Unfortunately, it'll requireG Solaris 10.  Fortunately, it's pretty stable, and if you set it up on a D "test" system you could probably use the results you find to correct& the problem on your older Solaris box.  	 Good luck    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:47:38 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com $ Subject: Re: Need UNIX clarification- Message-ID: <873bxpxit1.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   + "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:    ...   A > So here's my question. Is it true that most flavors of UNIX are E > single threaded? Is LINUX? Is HP-UX? Is AIX?  I was lead to believe > > that Tru64 was multi-threaded and this was one reason why HP@ > couldn't move AdvFs and TruCluster support from Tru64 into HP.  C The drible from your slesthing is meaningless. What does he mean by E `single threaded'? I'll bet you can't get a straight answer from him.   H BTW, PDP-11 unix was single threaded way back when. None of the BSD lineE where ever that way. I suspect you are hearing a part understood echo  of this ancient history.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:18:29 GMT 0 From: John Santos <john.santos@post.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: Needing some help> Message-ID: <MPG.1c3c78b328f2d3b09896e5@news.bellatlantic.net>  E In article <3350m3F3rc0vnU1@individual.net>, hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl   says...  > ; > "Steven M. Schweda" <sms@antinode.org> schreef in bericht % > news:04122500283399@antinode.org...  > > From: Z <z@no.spam>  > > 3 > > > What version of the firmware are you running?  > > , > > > Did you get a firmware CD with the OS? > > L > >    Perhaps I'm the dope, but what firmware is there for a VAX 4000 model > > 500?  Or any VAX?  > >  > L > Firmware for the VAX systems was installed by DEC field service. They wereM > not sent to customers like the AXP firmware upgrade kits. I have a firmware J > upgrade kit for the VAXstation 4000-90A. I was allowed to make a "backupB > copy" while the field service guy went away for a cup of coffee.M > My memory was never that reliable but AFAIK there's no VAX/VMS release that I > requires a VAX firmware upgrade. Unlike the AXP, a VAX is a VAX, right?  >  > Hans  E I'm sure our 780 needed a firmware upgrade (for the interlocked queue C instructions) in order to run VMS 2.x (or maybe it was 3.x).  They  B called it WCS, IIRC, and it was loaded from the RX01 at boot time.F I also remember firmware upgrades being required for various VAX 6000 9 systems at various times, in about the V4-V5 time frame.     --   John   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 02:20:34 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available , Message-ID: <41D25A9A.659DCE62@teksavvy.com>   Robert Deininger wrote: L > I was just saying that hiring UPS to do the shipping might be a good idea,L > since UPS is almost certainly better at it than HP is.  The fact that they4 > outsourced is not the cause of the shoddy service.  F Carly must as seen the UPS ads on TV where UPS says it can manage yourV wharehouse AND ship. (I think they call it "logistics" in todays buzzword dictionary).  K The problem isn't UPS per say, it is the level of service HP has contracted G for. UPS does have overnight air service that is even acceptable across K borders. But most customers choose the cheap ground service that is just as # slow as the regular postal service.   G The challenge is integratring the ordering system, as well as inventory I management of the wharehouse so that HP can restock items that UPS ships.   I If HP had selected overnight Air service, then locating the wharehouse at K UPS's main airport hub would make a lot of sense and really improve service K since it would extend the deadline for processing an order for a part until N about 2am in the morning since that box wouldn't have to first fly to that hubB before taking a flight to destination and arrive the same morning.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:43:28 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available + Message-ID: <41D2DEB0.8AF9B04E@comcast.net>    Dave Froble wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > L > > ...which doesn't say much. The stat.'s so far: six DOAs before I finally4 > > found a good one. Stopped looking at that point. > > L > > I'm gonna get with the boss and A/P and see if we can find a way to billJ > > that back to HP. (My time, time on our gear to test, plus a *GENEROUS*> > > markup - think "Nieman Marcus" (read: "needless markup").) > Q > Now you're getting to the issue.  If you have a service CONTRACT that specifies R > a certain response time, then what you should be doing is reading the fine printN > of the CONTRACT, and if HP has violated that CONTRACT, resort to the actions > available to you.  > : > Bitching about it here will not help your response time.  F A/P and the legal department are both valid avenues to seek redress atE this point. However, the boss is out this week. So, we'll see what we ! can do beginning in the new year.   B Truth be told, though, I'm more disturbed about the good:DOA ratioF (currently stands at 1:5) at this point than I am about delivery timesF (I can start driving to work and go get the damn parts, if that's whatG it takes to keep the systems up and running - we'll worry about redress ? and legalities once the patient care systems are back on-line).    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:10:41 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available + Message-ID: <41D2E511.3A31A3EF@comcast.net>    Robert Deininger wrote:  > P > In article <41D1AA8B.FA980050@comcast.net>, djesysno@spam.earthlink.net wrote: >  > [snip]L > I was just saying that hiring UPS to do the shipping might be a good idea,9 > since UPS is almost certainly better at it than HP is.    F Depends. At getting stuff there regardless of how long it takes, yes -A UPS may have the upper hand in that area. When it comes to urgent E delivery of elements of life-critical systems, UPS is far from the #1  spot.    > The fact that they4 > outsourced is not the cause of the shoddy service. > ? > I'm not saying the service you describe is at all acceptible.   E Understood, but as you say, UPS is not at fault here: HP is for doing ; something entirely inappropriate and wholly and irrevocably 
 unacceptable.   ! > >> I guess someone(s) at HP has K > >> recently botched the inventory planning for a number of popular parts.  > > I > >"A number" would likely translate to "the bulk of HP's OpenVMS-related  > >inventory". > K > I can't agree or disagree with that, based on what I've heard.  Anecdotes E > are notoriously unreliable for understanding the scope of a complex 
 > problem.  F Then again, when it takes 6 DOAs to get one good part, severity likely+ tells a better story than the story itself.   F > >> That probably has little or nothing to do with the outsourcing ofJ > >> warehousing, packing, and shipping to UPS.  Moke likely, some fool(s)I > >> thought they could save a lot of money by reducing inventory levels.  > > E > >...or letting the customer do the testing to find the still-usable 	 > >stuff.  > > G > >> This is hardly equivalent to getting out of the hardware business.  > > F > >As JF might say, "au contraire". Screwing one's customers (the onlyJ > >thing at which HP seems to excel) is hardly conducive to either growing) > >or maintaining a business or a market.  > E > When you are using JF to bolster your argument, your credibility is H > wearing pretty thin.  The sky is ALWAYS falling for JF, and I guess heJ > wants the rest of us to feel guilty because none of it has landed on us.  H Perhaps you became misfocused by that reference, but I couldn't think ofH another french-speaker well known to this group (and still active - most2 of us know Didier Morandi from his earlier posts).  I > If you really think the ONLY thing HP is good at is screwing customers,uK > why do you stick around?  Since VMS comes from HP, I guess that sucks toolK > in your view.  And GS1280s suck, and all the new Itanium servers, and theiI > printers, and everything else.  None of the folks making these productsh* > excel?   Or was that JF-style hyperbole?  E Do GS1280s, etc. suck? Depends. They have their good points and theire( bad points. Likely a thread unto itself.  G Itanic servers? They are not now, nor have they ever been, nor are theyaA likely to ever be either "industry" or de-facto standard. I can'twE imagine any respected/accepted standards body issuing a specificationtH requiring Itanics for compliance. Given their reception in the market to* date, the outlook is less than impressive.  D We stay with VMS for security. We DEARLY wish it was in the hands ofF business people who possess at least a modicum of cluefulness (is thatD even a word?). Alas, we are faced with people who are worse than theF most derelict of addicts. Since for addicts, "rock bottom" tends to beA much lower than for the people around them (read: VMS's partners,tC suppliers and customers), I'm sure we've not seen the last of their E self-destructive behavior, not by a long shot. What we've seen so farl2 will likely pale in comparison to what lies ahead.  > > If you keep insulting everyone at HP (except the ones in theJ > customer-screwing department), you might not get too much help in fixingJ > your spare parts problem.  But maybe lobbing insults in public makes you > feel better.  B As noted, yes - we frequently come to this forum to "vent". VMS/HP' ignores such rantings at its own peril.t  E The "insulting everyone at HP" stuff comes from "one bad apple spoilsIG the bunch". If you serve someone well, they'll tell a friend or two. IfmC you screw someone, they'll tell anyone who will listen. That's justiH human nature. One can exploit that to its best advantage or be destroyed5 by it - the choice is up to the individual/group/etc.-  F If it was me (it isn't, but just for the sake of this discussion), I'dC want to make sure that no one had anything bad to say, even if thatR costs me a little profit.   D A good reputation is hard-won, and not to be squandered as easily asF money tends to be. Money is only money, and is easily replaced. That's% what the whole economy is all about. s  , Reputation, on the other hand, is priceless.  E If VMS/HP could learn that one lesson, mots of the other issues wouldn evaporate in short order.c   -- e David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:e" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:53:03 -0000d6 From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk>A Subject: Re: OT:  anybody know the details on the COMAIR debacle?n6 Message-ID: <41d29aa1$0$15196$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message< news:1104288382.6e9d2e990dea42d28bed4e8344228b0b@teranews... > a few more tidbits:o >m* > The software had been in use since 1986.D > The number 32,0000 was repeated again. (32,000 changes per month). >t4 > Software was supposed to be changed within months. > K > Software came from SBS international, which is now owned by Boeing (since  2001). >o > http://www.sbsint.comy >tF > No real mention of an OS. However some screen shots of Windows based clients.  8 My last involvement with that product was 15+ years ago.  J At the time I knew of around 30 sites running in on Primos and one running
 it on VMS.  K For obvious reasons I doubt anyone is running it on Primos anymore, no idea 
 about VMS.   Alex   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Dec 2004 06:18:21 -0800 From: maher_rj@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Rdb in DatamationB Message-ID: <1104329901.763704.88210@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   "It evolved in the 1908's"  ! Certainly stood the test of time!h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:00:49 -0800o# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: Rdb in Datamation( Message-ID: <opsjrynnmvzgicya@hyrrokkin>  < On 29 Dec 2004 06:18:21 -0800, <maher_rj@hotmail.com> wrote:   > "It evolved in the 1908's" >.# > Certainly stood the test of time!d >t It was Hollerith based     -- oC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/N   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:14:13 GMT  From: joshz@hotmail.comi9 Subject: Santa Clause like you have never seen him beforea- Message-ID: <F4yAd.609162$nl.316018@pd7tw3no>r  p Santa Clause like you have never seen him before, this is a must see for everyone http://paddy.home.comcast.net/   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Dec 2004 01:33:07 -0800 From: "Ben" <cellctl@lycos.com> ' Subject: Re: Supported Itanium hardwarerC Message-ID: <1104312787.065861.201860@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>d  E Okay then, reglardless of if it's supported or not, plain and simple, A will OpenVMS (whatever version one can aquire today) boot on a HP7 i2000?     If no, why not?o   -Ben   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Dec 2004 11:55:05 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) ' Subject: Re: Supported Itanium hardwaree- Message-ID: <FlVLVY0bGXcD@cuebid.zko.dec.com>o  ! "Ben" <cellctl@lycos.com> writes:eG > Okay then, reglardless of if it's supported or not, plain and simple,tC > will OpenVMS (whatever version one can aquire today) boot on a HPa
 > i2000?     	No.   > If no, why not?g  > 	For the same reason that VMS won't boot on Sparc; there is no1 hardware support for the i2000 (or Sparc) in V8.2b   -- e  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comn   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Dec 2004 08:45:48 -08001 From: ralf.gaertner@t-systems.com (Ralf Gaertner)a! Subject: TeX / LaTeX for Open VMSe= Message-ID: <e1b5cbf1.0412290845.4e91b0b5@posting.google.com>.  C The changes of TeX made by D.E.Knuth since 1997 are minimal. I haveLA updated on my hobbyist systems all the core programs and they areo working.  B The more serious work is the development of LaTeX. There have beenF requirements to include (i.e. respect) the extensions of eTeX into theE LaTeX kernel such that package writer could use them. This means thatcA the change files for TeX and Metafont have to reworked to enshure0D proper functionality of future LaTeX versions. Than utlities have toC be updated, especially dvips, which is no longer a separate programe" but part of the Unix distribution.  A Postscript fonts could be included; one can get them from the ftphE archive at www.ctan.org . There is also a fontinstallationguide.pdf ,,: which describes the addition of new fonts to a TeX system.  C Then there is pdfTeX. This adds "PDF specials" to TeX which are not C easily ported to VMS. pdfTeX is built by translating the TeX source-C from WEB to C and modify the result by a change file. This approach F would imply to rewrite the VMS change file from scratch to get the PDF= additions. My preferred way would be to code the PDF commands 	 directly.a  E My plan is to get a new complete (in the sense of Postscript support)X5 and better structerred  distribution out during 2005.h   Ralf   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:27:49 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)% Subject: Re: TeX / LaTeX for Open VMSA$ Message-ID: <cqupel$pm8$1@online.de>  = In article <e1b5cbf1.0412290845.4e91b0b5@posting.google.com>,t4 ralf.gaertner@t-systems.com (Ralf Gaertner) writes:   G > My plan is to get a new complete (in the sense of Postscript support)v7 > and better structerred  distribution out during 2005.g  D Please be sure to announce it here!  Also, submit it to the freeware CDs!    D Do you plan to have VAX executables as well as ALPHA?  If so, there H needs to be an easy way to have the architecture-appropriate executable C ran, without duplicating the entire tree (even more important when lH Itanium comes into focus).  If there are no VAX executables (or even if I there are), detailed instructions on compiling and linking would be nice @ as well.  I In principle, it is no problem to have the latest LaTeX on VMS, at least hE the latest versions of packages etc without the PDF stuff.  However,  I what takes time is updating all the stuff that has changed.  With a unix .H system, one could just do the brute-force method of downloading a whole G tree and starting over.  In that sense, a VMS [TEXMF...] tree which is   kept up to date would be nice.  G I spent/wasted a lot of time trying to figure out the best way to keep  F LaTeX up to date on VMS, then ran across Ralf Grtner's distribution, G which is very easy to set up and get running, and well documented.  It a really saved a lot of time.h  G Unfortunately, I've been away from LaTeX for 4 years.  A while back, I bD asked in comp.text.tex what had changed since then, and how best to G update.  Incremental updates, if done regularly, might have kept me on eG top of things, but I didn't go that route.  The advice was essentially -G to start over.  However, that brings me back to the lack of a current, r9 well documented, publicly available [TEXMF] tree for VMS.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:40:48 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.comw% Subject: Re: TeX / LaTeX for Open VMS - Message-ID: <877jn1xj4f.fsf@prep.synonet.com>s  1 stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au (Stuart Norris) writes:y  D > I was wondering what is the latest available version for Open VMS.    > The latest I can see is 1997.     That is the current version AIR.  J > I am after a later version that include postscript for such as MathTime.  0 What specifically are you after? MathTime fonts?   -- f< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.f@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:38:28 -0600t2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>$ Subject: Re: Time to revive Emerald?+ Message-ID: <41D2DD83.92452E8B@comcast.net>t   Peter Weaver wrote:i >  > David J Dachtera wrote:o > > Peter Weaver wrote:o > >> > >> Dave Froble wrote:  > >>> David J Dachtera wrote:h	 > >>> ...oJ > >>>> What happens when your Charon-VAX process GPF's or experiences some6 > >>>> other fault? Your "VAX" disappears, doesn't it? > >>>>H > >>>> Other than the odd spurious reset, I've never seen that on either6 > >>>> VAX or Alpha (the real thing, not an emulator). > >>>o > >>>a% > >>> Have you seen it on Charon VAX?n	 > >>> ...  > >>I > >> I have never seen CHARON-VAX disappear due to a Windows GPF or BSOD.  > >tJ > > Then, let's look at that question from another angle: has the platformB > > under your Charon-VAX ever experienced a BSOD while Charon was > > running? >  > No.  > H > > First guess time, I'd say no. WhineBloze is deceptively stable whileC > > doing very little. Many is the time I've walked up to my wife'smF > > comupter (W/95-OSR2) happily running the 3D-pipes screen saver forG > > literally weeks on end (she's not a big computer user), touched the # > > mouse and had it lock up tight.b > @ > Right. When you have CHARON-VAX on a PC the PC is there to runJ > CHARON-VAX. It is not there to be a web browser, it is not there to readJ > mail, it only runs CHARON-VAX. When the PC is only running CHARON-VAX on+ > top of Windows XP then it is very stable.o > H > > Charon-VAX on WhineBloze is o.k. for non-critical uses, IMO, but forD > > mission critical implementation, it needs to evolve into its ownA > > operating environment - no underlying o.s. to cause problems.v > D > Wrong, but nothing I say here would ever convince you that you areC > wrong. You have never tried CHARON-VAX on Windows in a productionrH > environment, other people have, the people who have tried it know that1 > CHARON-VAX works great for their critical uses.l  G Well, what I think is irrelevant. I work in a highly regulated industrytG (healthcare). So, if the regulators can[not] be convinced, I must abideu by their dictates.   -- l David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:)" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/,  " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    ------------------------------   Date: 29 Dec 2004 16:57:49 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)+ Subject: Re: TruCluster/AdvFS open-sourced?w, Message-ID: <33g60dF3ss2fdU2@individual.net>  : In article <cYmyd.12704$Z%3.716787@news20.bellglobal.com>,, 	"Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > O > They should just open source the whole Tru64 OS. Better to give it away than  
 > destroy it.g  B  You can't open source what you don't own.  Much of Tru64 is other@ people's proprietary code licensed for use in Tru64.  SystemV is? not like BSD. (Which is why I never understood why any businesseA would choose SYSV over BSD for any business venture. To a smallere= degree, the same applies to Linux, but that's another story.)w   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Dec 2004 04:24:46 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)-K Subject: Re: Unsupported Itanium hardware (was: Supported Itanium hardware) 3 Message-ID: <cCc26Shc3OVr@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  e In article <1104312787.065861.201860@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Ben" <cellctl@lycos.com> writes:@G > Okay then, reglardless of if it's supported or not, plain and simple,1C > will OpenVMS (whatever version one can aquire today) boot on a HPw
 > i2000?    D A lot of people here do things for money, and absent support from HP> they are probably not being paid to investigate that question.   > If no, why not?p  @ Unless a VMS Developer knows off the top of his or her head, the? answer to _that_ question would probably be even more expensiven
 to answer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:36:05 -0600r2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>K Subject: Re: Unsupported Itanium hardware (was: Supported Itanium hardware)s+ Message-ID: <41D2DCF5.173C11E5@comcast.net>a   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > g > In article <1104312787.065861.201860@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Ben" <cellctl@lycos.com> writes:@I > > Okay then, reglardless of if it's supported or not, plain and simple, E > > will OpenVMS (whatever version one can aquire today) boot on a HPV
 > > i2000? > F > A lot of people here do things for money, and absent support from HP@ > they are probably not being paid to investigate that question. >  > > If no, why not?  > B > Unless a VMS Developer knows off the top of his or her head, theA > answer to _that_ question would probably be even more expensive  > to answer.  E On the other hand, if you already have an i2000, or can get access to A one, I'm sure the group would be interested in reading about your ; experiences attempting to boot up the OpenVMS-I64 CD on it.f   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsu http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:s" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:04:32 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG7 Subject: VMS field test update for Itanium installationi0 Message-ID: <00A3D11E.A33DEC79@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ; I have downloaded a ZIP file containing a backup saveset ofh; a VMS field test for Itanium.  How do I go about installinge< it?  Do I go about restoring it to an Itanium disk on a run-; ning Itanium?  There doesn't appear to be a GPT.SYS file in-: the backup saveset which is this PeeCee partitioning magic; stuff.  I am afraid that if I restore this saveset, my diskr will not be bootable.r     Anyone know how???   -- a< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.o -- a, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! h -- eK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:33:56 -0800t% From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com>n; Subject: Re: VMS field test update for Itanium installationu7 Message-ID: <3f119ada04122908333d8bdccb@mail.gmail.com>i  : On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:04:32 GMT, VAXman-@sendspamhere.org! <VAXman-@sendspamhere.org> wrote: = > I have downloaded a ZIP file containing a backup saveset ofi= > a VMS field test for Itanium.  How do I go about installingv> > it?  Do I go about restoring it to an Itanium disk on a run-= > ning Itanium?  There doesn't appear to be a GPT.SYS file in < > the backup saveset which is this PeeCee partitioning magic= > stuff.  I am afraid that if I restore this saveset, my disk  > will not be bootable.g  E It looks like GPT.SYS perhaps get created when you INIT the disk. Are-= there .EFI files present somewhere that would then want to bem+ (somehow) copied out to the boot partition?r  2 This would be a good topic for an IDF session, eh?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:40:13 GMTl" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG; Subject: Re: VMS field test update for Itanium installatione0 Message-ID: <00A3D123.9FB23E92@SendSpamHere.ORG>  _ In article <3f119ada04122908333d8bdccb@mail.gmail.com>, DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> writes: ; >On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:04:32 GMT, VAXman-@sendspamhere.org1" ><VAXman-@sendspamhere.org> wrote:> >> I have downloaded a ZIP file containing a backup saveset of> >> a VMS field test for Itanium.  How do I go about installing? >> it?  Do I go about restoring it to an Itanium disk on a run-r> >> ning Itanium?  There doesn't appear to be a GPT.SYS file in= >> the backup saveset which is this PeeCee partitioning magica> >> stuff.  I am afraid that if I restore this saveset, my disk >> will not be bootable. > F >It looks like GPT.SYS perhaps get created when you INIT the disk. Are> >there .EFI files present somewhere that would then want to be, >(somehow) copied out to the boot partition? > 3 >This would be a good topic for an IDF session, eh?   H I'm surprise that there are no instructions in a readme to accompany the	 download.h   -- f< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.- -- -, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! C --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMc   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Dec 2004 15:28:14 -0000) From: Darrell Larose <cota348@rogers.com>o Subject: ~ Happy New Year ~-7 Message-ID: <6XIGBLCP38350.6862731481@anonymous.poster>2   FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS    About JF MEZEI  @ The "nobody" troll of rec.travel.air and "John Doe" troll of the sci.space.* newsgroups.7   (Rev. Dec. 10, 2004)   Written by:4   Darrell Larose 121 Northwestern Ave Ottawa, ON K1Y 0M1 (613) 725-0245 cota348@rogers.com ad607@FreeNet.Carleton.CA    1.  Who is JF Mezei?  C Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever C hit rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is alsoo4 one of the longest running trolls in usenet history.  C ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME AND C E-MAIL ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS  THEIR MESSAGES.***  E If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitorrE the control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled yourM< messages, forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and abuse@astraweb.com .  " 2.  How long has he been trolling?   For well over a decade.    3.  Where does he live?7   Montreal, Quebec, Canada   Jean-Francois Mezei  86 Harwood Gateh Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3d (514) 992-0474 (514) 695-8259  9 His current e-mail addresses are jfmezei@teksavvy.com and  jfmezei@vaxination.ca .a  ) His website is http://www.vaxination.ca .   * 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll?  C His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades D your newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, dayF in and day out, every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He@ does not listen to pleas to stop, he does not listen to anything4 anyone tells him, he does not pay attention when theA misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just goessC right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding hiswF ears closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"e   5.  What does he troll about?   F His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  HeB hates the USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn itC into a USA-bashing fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just starts making lewd posts.  $ 6.  What does he hate about the USA?  E Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have E a visceral hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a B happier, better, more successful version of their country and they> can't stand it.  Some of JF's favorite troll bait is "the BushC regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis of evil", "Americans aregB brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are stupid" etc.  # 7.  What about his sexual trolling?w  E Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre.i> Among his favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women'sA genitalia, sex toys, circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (ofi  course) ... the list is endless.   8.  Circumcision???O  F Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes< to insert circumcision into his trolling every now and then.C Apparently, JF was traumatized as a child because his parents, poor$B Hungarian immigrants to Canada, left him uncircumcised when he wasB born, as is the custom in most of the world.  Growing up in Canada@ where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time, he was? psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could he @ arranged to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades ofE circumcision proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a-@ free willy.  His main argument is how much better he was able toB masturbate after getting circumcised without that "pesky foreskin"F getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has made it his mission in' life to spread the circumcision gospel.l  @ 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky.7  @ Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among theE subjects dear to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls,XE especially little boy's foreskins (and how tight they are) and littlek@ girls' hymens.  He is also a tireless activist and advocate thatC children should be taught to masturbate early on so that they don'ti, grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".  E He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check theiruC little boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, F proper movement, and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.A Utopia for JF would be a world full of parents manipulating their- little boys' penises.   @ 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the+ minute!  Are you sure about all this stuff?.  D Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a' decade full of Mezei trolling in there.t  C 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all theU time like all trolls do?  B Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling aliases.   A 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't heo work?t  E Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, aoC grown man who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day andl@ trolls the newsgroups all night.  In his free time when he isn'tF trolling he likes to ride his bike down to Dorval Airport and race the# planes down the runway in his bike.   9 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?   D Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he neverA got past the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humorsF (i.e. "pull my finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.  C 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about  them, is that true?4  @ Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in theB locker room.  He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has= seen in locker rooms over the years, especially his unnaturaluF obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the men in locker rooms trying toB measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is left if theyF have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case of phimosis.  @ 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insane asylum!  D Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin; foil hat world where others are out to get him.  The key toiF understanding JF is that he sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the worldD is out to get him, especially the USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about.  D What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian railD system was "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut,D spotting trains, writing down their numbers and chasing them down atB the train yard like a good freak.  Then he turned his attention toC aviation.  Major events that made him fall head first deep into the C abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines and their subsequent F takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid is he thatE when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employees0D went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to coverE up the Air Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of0; the crash investigation.  He has never recovered from this.u  6 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!  F His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to someE ancient, arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken A seriously for decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits andtC social dropouts who share his psychological traumas, crying for thel1 good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!c  ! 17.  Where else does he hang out?(  @ can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geekyD computer groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster heB invaded the sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, andF trolled it relentlessly with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crapE he's so famous for.  But they ran him off that group and he had to gogD crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail between his legs, licking his wounds.r  A 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects ande doesn't troll.  F Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so> he slips in troll bait every now and then, but by and large heA respects comp.os.vms, and, more importantly, he tries to hide hisuA trolling activities from them so they won't find out what a majorh netkook he is.  F 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho he is!  E Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And whilesF you're at it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido? too.  And to alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, andr news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.  4 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address?  D Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:a  * abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com abuse@teranews.com  7 You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.t   TekSavvy Solutions Inc.u 330 Richmond St., Suite 205t Chatham, ON, Canada( N7M 1P7e  D And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups,C email it to people, you may host it at your own website, send it totD newspapers and magazines that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.C     *** APPENDIX ***  @ List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over theF years.  This is only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to compile a full list.   jfmezei@teksavvy.com jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com jfmezei@istop.com  jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com  jfmezei@videotron.ca jfmezei@vl.videotron.car nospam.jfmezei@videotron.ca  "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam]   nobody <nobody@nobody.com> nobody <nobody@nobody.net> nobody <nobody@nobody.org> nobody <nobody@nobody.info>t nobody <nobody@nobody.int> nobody <nobody@nothing.nil>u nobody <nobody@null.dev>) Lorenna Bobbit <lbobbit@ginsu_knives.com>l' Lando Calrisian <Lcalrisian@empire.org>  muklak <muklak@eskimo.net> Sheep skin <sheep@station.au>y# snowy squirrel <squirrel@nest.tree>.) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org>p& Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>a Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>0" Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com>s' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> " Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>o' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>r( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>m' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>d Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>-! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>a# Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>i  Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>n Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> $ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>b! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>H  Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org>f% Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>e% Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>n' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>>( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>n% Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>o( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>u" Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> & Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>e) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org>a' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>u" Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> * Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> * Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>g Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>c  ; *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY*  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~sE This message was posted via one or more anonymous remailing services.aE The original sender is unknown.  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