1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 30 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 725       Contents:' Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft  Re: ftp  Re: ftp P Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal wave inP Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by thetidal wave in < Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using sshP Re: MntVerifyTimeout, (remote shadow member), clustering, volume shadowing shado Re: More on Tru64 * Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available* RE: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available* Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available OpenVMS Layered Products RE: OpenVMS Layered Products Re: OpenVMS Layered Products RE: OpenVMS Layered Products Re: OpenVMS Layered Products Re: OpenVMS Layered Products SAMBA on Itanium OpenVMS 8.2FT, Re: SCSI ON A VAX 4000/500 - WHAT DO I NEED?, Re: SCSI ON A VAX 4000/500 - WHAT DO I NEED? Re: Supported Itanium hardware Re: Supported Itanium hardware TeX / LaTeX for Open VMS Re: TeX / LaTeX for Open VMS Upgrading to OpenVMS 7.3-2 Re: Upgrading to OpenVMS 7.3-22 Re: VMS field test update for Itanium installation Re: ~ Happy New Year ~ Re: ~ Happy New Year ~  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 30 Dec 2004 14:30:44 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)0 Subject: Re: 497 million euro fine for Microsoft, Message-ID: <33ihokF412va4U2@individual.net>  - In article <87u0q4v8c4.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,  	prep@prep.synonet.com writes:, > bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > C >> No, Marketing.  Linux has been hyped to high-heaven almost since D >> it's inception.  BSD has never had anyone intereted in marketing.E >> As a result, the superior product sits in the background while the ? >> inferior product grows in publicity and market share. (Sound  >> familiar??) >  > See below ;) >   $ Must be too subtle. I didn't get it.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:34:37 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: ftp2 Message-ID: <cr07i1$mlm$1@news4.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>   Brian wrote:< > is there a way to ftp from the vax to the Windows server?  >  > J Your question suggests you want to start the FTP session from the Vax (or Q Alpha?) VMS system. In that case you need a TCPIP stack on the VMS system, and a  N FTP server program on the Windows system. Windows server packages normally do N contain a FTP server (afaik), but you may have to configure it if you haven't  done so.  N On the VMS system you will have to configure at least the FTP client. For the 8 standard Dec/Compaq/HP TCPIP stack you can do this with O "@sys$manager:tcpip$config" or "@sys$manager:ucx$startup" if you have an older  @ TCPIP stack. You can also configure the VMS FTP server this way.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:36:27 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: ftp2 Message-ID: <cr07lb$mlm$2@news4.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>   Dirk Munk wrote: > Brian wrote: > < >> is there a way to ftp from the vax to the Windows server? >>H > Your question suggests you want to start the FTP session from the Vax I > (or Alpha?) VMS system. In that case you need a TCPIP stack on the VMS  I > system, and a FTP server program on the Windows system. Windows server  I > packages normally do contain a FTP server (afaik), but you may have to  & > configure it if you haven't done so. > H > On the VMS system you will have to configure at least the FTP client. B > For the standard Dec/Compaq/HP TCPIP stack you can do this with ; > "@sys$manager:tcpip$config" or "@sys$manager:ucx$startup"   5 Sorry, typo! This should be "@sys$manager:ucx$config"      if you have anH > older TCPIP stack. You can also configure the VMS FTP server this way.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 03:15:44 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by the tidal wave in B Message-ID: <1104393920.aa1ab855b9f4524e01d846abe4c07f02@teranews>  " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote:F > to do with caring about our human family.  It makes me so sad to seeD > what is on the news that I can not even look at the news any more.  J Sue, bear in mind that the news tend to show only the devastated areas andM rarely put those into perspective.  The phuket hospital is still standing and H still has power and still functioning (although overwhelmed with injuredN people).  And in many smaller towns in Sri Lanka, there is now traffic flowingN on the road closest to the beach, some ray of hope that things are starting to& improve. So the news aren't all  bad.   N When fishing boat builders start to deliver replacement boats, it will be goodH news to those towns that depended entirely on fishing. But this is whereL foreign aid will really be necessary because countries like Sri Lanka do notF have the resources to pay for them, and the fisherman aren't insured.     K However, in the case of Sumatra, (and we haven't see much from the outlying L islands north of it), the scale of devastation seems to be totally differentN from the very focused shoreline devastation in Sri-Lanka/India/Thailand. LocalJ distribution is impossible because there are no usable local trucks and no functioning petrol stations.  M BBC showed a portion of beach that has a significant amount of shore that was N totally destroyed all the way up to the first hill. They noted that there used9 to be a village there. There was absolutely noting left.    I The bright side of this is that in both Sri Lankan and Sumatra cases, the @ civil war has been put on hold in order to allow aid to flow in.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:53:20 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: Has anyone heard if any of our customers have been hurt by thetidal wave in  B Message-ID: <1104388984.7423ef78e7ae0bb07a690c824e7dc8d4@teranews>   Jack Peacock wrote: K > Lanka and came up the western coast.  The eastern coast was hit directly. 9 > Reports are few because of the civil war in the region.   H BBC  mentioned that because the area touched by civil war is filled withN landmines, it is much harder to provide help since all signs pointing to minedE areas have been pulled by the water, and there is no telling how many " landmines may have been displaced.  N It is mind boggling which a country that calls itself a super power refuses to8 stop making those bombs designed to maim/kill civilians.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2004 05:01:30 -0800  From: "amk" <sumdavar@yahoo.com>E Subject: Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh C Message-ID: <1104411690.288580.318390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   D Thank you all. With your help I've written the following DCL script,? which, for the time being, will be good enough for what I want: E (By the way: When working with DECterm from eXcursion/DECwindows, the , terminal name also starts with "FT", as does& a terminal name in a session with SSH)   $  is_ssh = "False"  $  station == f$edit(f$extract(1,2,f$getdvi("tt","tt_phydevnam")),"upcase") 6 $  if (f$getdvi("tt","tt_accpornam") .eqs. "") .and. -6 f$getdvi(tt","tt_secure")                      .and. -/ (station .eqs. "FT")    then    is_ssh = "True" - $ ! Enable either Console, "Set host" or SSH: C $  if (station .eqs. "OP") .or. (station .eqs. "RT")  .or. (is_ssh) 	 $    then  $       continue $  else  $       logout $  endif   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:17:21 +0100 . From: "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcor.de>Y Subject: Re: MntVerifyTimeout, (remote shadow member), clustering, volume shadowing shado B Message-ID: <41d3ab82$0$23115$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: H > I've got a bizarre problem.  Perhaps someone can point me in the right
 > direction.   > + > Please don't reply via email (see below).  > H > I have a three-node cluster.  Node ELIJAH crashed (and for some reasonI > didn't reboot, even though the console parameters should be set so that C > it reboots automatically).  Nodes GLADIA and DANEEL remained up.  H > DISK$USER is a shadow set consisting of two SEAGATE SCSI-2 disks, one F > member with a direct connection to ELIJAH and another with a direct H > connection to DANEEL.  This shadow set is mounted on all nodes during K > startup.  All disks are MSCP served to all nodes.  Cluster communication  @ > is over a 10 Mb/s LAN.  This shadow set has been in operation 7 > continuously for almost three years with no problems.  > E > I would have expected that the crash of ELIJAH would simply leave a J > one-member DISK$USER shadow set.  (This is what has happened when nodes J > have crashed in the past.)  However, the situation is now the following:I > DISK$USER is mounted and working on GLADIA (note that no member of this I > shadow set has a direct connection to GLADIA) while on DANEEL it shows  2 > up in MntVerifyTimeout with an error count of 3. > H > GLADIA is an ALPHA at 7.3-1, DANEEL and ELIJAH are VAXes at 7.3.  All  > patches applied. > H > The cluster is 500 km away.  I am connected to it via TELNET over DSL I > connections at both ends.  I use the TCPIP cluster alias and point all  H > incoming traffic at that address.  Thus, the TELNET connection always F > connects to the node with the cluster alias.  I can then use LAT or K > TELNET (no DECnet installed) to connect to other nodes once I am in.  (I  I > have experimented with port forwarding, letting, say, port 50123 point  K > to an address other than the cluster alias, allowing a direct connection  K > to a node other than that with the cluster alias.  However, probably due  H > to a problem with the router software, this has proved unreliable and ; > since I don't need the feature, I haven't been using it.)  > J > I noticed something was wrong when my connection hung: I was in MAIL andI > it didn't react, though CONTROL-T was OK.  Also, new TELNET connections J > hung between accepting the username and prompting for the password.  TheH > reason is that SYSUAF and friends are on DISK$USER, which on DANEEL isI > now in MntVerifyTimeout.  However, I could connect with LAT from DANEEL I > to GLADIA since there SYSUAF is accessible.  I have an internal-access  H > only account with SETPRV, so I am hoping that I can solve the problem  > from that account. > H > What I want to do is get DISK$USER mounted on DANEEL again.  I issued 9 > the MOUNT command which normally occurs during startup:  > ) > $    MOUNT/CLUSTER/NOASSIST/NOREBUILD - 5 >       DSA510:/SHADOW=($22$DKA500:,$44$DKA400:) USER  > H > This takes a while, complains that $44$DKA400: is not software enabledI > (it is the member connected to ELIJAH) then completes without errors or I > warnings, but with an informational message saying that $22$DKA500: has G > been added to the shadow set.  That is, just what I expect.  However, I > after this command the shadow set is still mounted only on GLADIA (even A > though I used the /CLUSTER qualifier) and on DANEEL is still in  > MntVerifyTimeout.  > F > Is there any way I can get DISK$USER mounted on DANEEL?  Note that IC > cannot issue any commands from a priviledged account there; since G > SYSUAF.DAT is on DISK$USER, I can't log in (the account in which I am J > logged in from 500 km away is non-priviledged) and SYSMAN isn't working: > ! > SYSMAN> SET ENVIRONMENT/CLUSTER - > %SYSMAN-I-ENV, current command environment: & >         Clusterwide on local cluster> >         Username XXXXX        will be used on nonlocal nodes > $ > SYSMAN> SET PROFILE/PRIVILEGES=ALL3 > %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node DANEEL $ > -RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed3 > %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node DANEEL ? > -SMI-E-PROTOCOL, remote protocol error - data packet w/o INIT  > SYSMAN> do show time4 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DANEEL3 > %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node DANEEL ? > -SMI-E-PROTOCOL, remote protocol error - data packet w/o INIT 4 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node GLADIA >   21-DEC-2004 21:03:57 > G > I would expect that a reboot of DANEEL would solve the problem (since J > ELIJAH needs to be rebooted as well, I might as well do a cluster rebootF > while I'm at it).  However, first I would like to know whether I canF > solve the problem without a reboot (assuming that there are no otherB > problems than the ones I have mentioned above) and also how thisH > situation could possibly arise (as mentioned above, I would expect theE > loss of ELIJAH to result in a one-member shadow set, but mounted on = > GLADIA and DANEEL; in other words, what is the cause of the  > MntVerifyTimeout on DANEEL).   > G > Since DANEEL has the TCPIP cluster alias, I cannot receive email, so    > please reply to the newsgroup! > H > A related problem: Is there any way, in the current situation, that I K > can move the TCPIP cluster alias from DANEEL to GLADIA?  Note again that  J > I cannot issue any commands from a priviledged account on DANEEL.  (The I > brute-force method, I suppose, would be to kill all relevant processes  F > and hope that GLADIA would then pick up the cluster alias, but that  > doesn't sound very elegant.) > 
 Hi Philip,  I did you find a way around your trouble? I found all the suggestions very  G   interesting, but since all my experiences with clusters told me that  F there is no way other than rebooting, I'd like to know if there *was*  another way!  
 Kind Regards,    Thomas   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Dec 2004 14:25:07 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: More on Tru64, Message-ID: <33ihe3F412va4U1@individual.net>  . In article <Xns95D08D5DDDE0nn48@199.125.85.9>,$ 	Lee Witten <lw99@yahoo.com> writes:. > "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in6 > news:%oxAd.28777$Tn1.1071736@news20.bellglobal.com:  >>  I >> Dumb question: what is PL.8 ??? (does it have anything to do with PL/1  >> ?)  > K > Actually, yes it does.  The name is a joke: PL.8 is 80% (0.8 times) PL/1. M > And indeed it is, it's a subset of PL/1 used for system programming within  K > IBM.  I knew that the previously mentioned AIX compilers were written in   > PL.8, as well as the VRM.   E Actually, Subset Compilers were common in the PL/1 days.  Much of the D PRIMOS OS used on Pr1me minis was compiled using "The PL/1 Subset J"	 compiler.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 04:34:13 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 3 Subject: Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available , Message-ID: <41D3CB95.1080004@tsoft-inc.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:    > Dave Froble wrote: >  >>David J Dachtera wrote:  >> >> >>>Dave Froble wrote:  >>>  >>>  >>>>David J Dachtera wrote:  >>>> >>>> >>>>M >>>>>...which doesn't say much. The stat.'s so far: six DOAs before I finally 5 >>>>>found a good one. Stopped looking at that point.  >>>>> M >>>>>I'm gonna get with the boss and A/P and see if we can find a way to bill K >>>>>that back to HP. (My time, time on our gear to test, plus a *GENEROUS* ? >>>>>markup - think "Nieman Marcus" (read: "needless markup").)  >>>>>  >>>>> S >>>>Now you're getting to the issue.  If you have a service CONTRACT that specifies T >>>>a certain response time, then what you should be doing is reading the fine printP >>>>of the CONTRACT, and if HP has violated that CONTRACT, resort to the actions >>>>available to you.  >>>>< >>>>Bitching about it here will not help your response time. >>>> >>>>I >>>A/P and the legal department are both valid avenues to seek redress at H >>>this point. However, the boss is out this week. So, we'll see what we$ >>>can do beginning in the new year. >>> E >>>Truth be told, though, I'm more disturbed about the good:DOA ratio I >>>(currently stands at 1:5) at this point than I am about delivery times I >>>(I can start driving to work and go get the damn parts, if that's what J >>>it takes to keep the systems up and running - we'll worry about redressB >>>and legalities once the patient care systems are back on-line). >>>  >>>  >>> Q >>I've been watching for changes in VMS customer support and hardware support for O >>some time now.  There has been vast declines in such in many parts of HP, but R >>I've not seen too much, if any, decline in the VMS arena.  To me this, much moreV >>than talk, is a prime indicator.  This could indicate that HP is keeping VMS viable. >>N >>Using a company like UPS to store and ship parts is reasonable, and possiblyN >>better than HP doing it themselves.  After all, when it comes time to ship aQ >>part, it first must be delivered to UPS or another shipper.  If UPS already has 4 >>the product, one step is removed from the process. >> > I > Then again, in a local delivery situation, with life-critical system at H > risk, it is more likely - and vastly more acceptable - that parts willJ > be given to either ethe field service rep. him/herself and/or given to a< > local courier service for delivery within the hour or two. >  > P >>That said, HP must supply UPS with good inventory.  I can see it now, UPS asksQ >>what to do with the returning parts, and some bright eyed beancounter, seeing a M >>method to keep inventory levels high, on paper, tells UPS to return them to 8 >>stock.  All it takes is one idiot to ruin a good plan. >> > G > Depends. "Good" would apply to situations that are not time-critical. I > I'm guessing there are few VMS systems that can be left down for a week  > or more awaiting parts.  > 5 > ...and BTW: that's not "anecdotal", its DOCUMENTED!  >  >   O I remember what hardware support was at one time.  The first level had 4 hours  O to fix the problem.  Your option then was to ask for the next level of people,  N and so forth every 4 hours.  Didn't take long to get to the level where there K were only a handful of people in the whole country.  At that level, if the  O problem was eluding a solution, the forklift solution was implemented.  They'd  Q airfreight in a whole new system, or parts there-of, to get the customer back up  @ and running.  Local offices usually had 'kits' for each product.  M As for disk drives, they're more in the catagory of fuses today, compared to  P their size and cost in the past.  I find it hard to believe that local offices, & or regions, don't have spares on hand.  O Shipping such by ground is just plain stupid.  You could put one in a priority  I mail box and get it anywhere in 2 days.  UPS should do better, and if it  I doesn't, it's HP's fault for not signing up for, and/or demanding better.    Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:44:15 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 3 Subject: RE: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB4E9FE3@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Dave Froble [mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com]=20 ! > Sent: December 30, 2004 1:34 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 5 > Subject: Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available  >=20	 [snip...]    >=20A > I remember what hardware support was at one time.  The first=20  > level had 4 hours=20B > to fix the problem.  Your option then was to ask for the next=20 > level of people,=20 @ > and so forth every 4 hours.  Didn't take long to get to the=20 > level where there=20A > were only a handful of people in the whole country.  At that=20  > level, if the=20> > problem was eluding a solution, the forklift solution was=20 > implemented.  They'd=20 @ > airfreight in a whole new system, or parts there-of, to get=20 > the customer back up=20 B > and running.  Local offices usually had 'kits' for each product. >=20> > As for disk drives, they're more in the category of fuses=20 > today, compared to=20 @ > their size and cost in the past.  I find it hard to believe=20 > that local offices,=20( > or regions, don't have spares on hand. >=20A > Shipping such by ground is just plain stupid.  You could put=20  > one in a priority=20; > mail box and get it anywhere in 2 days.  UPS should do=20  > better, and if it=20< > doesn't, it's HP's fault for not signing up for, and/or=20 > demanding better.  >=20 > Dave >=20  B HP has outsourced the delivery of parts to UPS. It still maintainsE logistics centers in various locations as before. How fast one gets a E part depends on the level of service that the Customer has contracted H for, but in most cases, the difference in cost is usually so little thatB in my past experience, most part requests are via air or ASAP from" closest center which has the part.  D As to the DOA's, that obviously needs to be looked into to determineC what happened. Typically what gets looked into are such things as :   - Was it bad from the center?=20) - Was it packed and handled correctly?=20 F - Was the installation of the part done by a qualified Field Engineer?E (need to consider things like static issues, quiescent buses properly H before replacement, proper commands to be executed from disk controllers like HSx etc. ) H - Was the revision of the part an issue? Some new equivalent parts mightB have HW/SW compatibility issues with older systems that need to be0 addressed before they can be installed properly.F - Has this part a history of problems or was it only at this one site?F - What failure symptoms were seen i.e. were they the same for each DOA or were they different? $ - other issues looked at as well ...   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:23:22 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>3 Subject: Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available , Message-ID: <33iobsF40sebnU1@individual.net>   Dave Froble wrote: >...G > whole country.  At that level, if the problem was eluding a solution, F > the forklift solution was implemented.  They'd airfreight in a whole@ > new system, or parts there-of, to get the customer back up and> > running.  Local offices usually had 'kits' for each product. >...  B I once had a LP29 flown in from a field service office in Texas toA Southern Ontario because that was the only field service in North G America that had a complete one. Our LP29 had every part except for the E case replaced, some parts twice, over a two or three month period. If C you have never seen a LP29 it does require a forklift to move. That C fixed the problem, but they never found out what was wrong with the H original. After that we stopped complaining that the monthly maintenance on the printer was over $600.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2004 05:42:32 -0800, From: mcintyre22001@yahoo.ie (John McIntyre)! Subject: OpenVMS Layered Products = Message-ID: <5e4e0eec.0412300542.5bf23c29@posting.google.com>    Hi,   ? i'm actually trying to become a vms hobbyist. There are lots of F products available on "OpenVMS Layered Products CD", as I found in theD web. I.e. the C compiler. But where the hell do I get this CD? Or is' there any way to download the products?   5 Didn't find anything yet. Please enlighten me. Thanx!    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:19:46 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> % Subject: RE: OpenVMS Layered Products R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB4E9FE8@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: John McIntyre [mailto:mcintyre22001@yahoo.ie]=20! > Sent: December 30, 2004 5:43 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # > Subject: OpenVMS Layered Products  >=20 > Hi,  >=20A > i'm actually trying to become a vms hobbyist. There are lots of H > products available on "OpenVMS Layered Products CD", as I found in theF > web. I.e. the C compiler. But where the hell do I get this CD? Or is) > there any way to download the products?  >=207 > Didn't find anything yet. Please enlighten me. Thanx!  >    John,   ' This might be what you are looking for:  http://www1.sqp.com/, http://www1.sqp.com/DownLoadStepByStep.shtml   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." =20    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:04:02 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Layered Products , Message-ID: <33in7kF4003e6U1@individual.net>   Main, Kerry wrote: >...B >> i'm actually trying to become a vms hobbyist. There are lots ofE >> products available on "OpenVMS Layered Products CD", as I found in E >> the web. I.e. the C compiler. But where the hell do I get this CD? 0 >> Or is there any way to download the products? >...  ! You have a few different options; D     The people who run the hobbyist program also sell a CD with some products on itE     Borrow a kit from someone you know or work with (I understand the  license terms allow for this) >     Post your general location and version you are looking for= (VAX/Alpha/IA64) and someone might respond and lend you a kit   D IANAL and I hate reading license agreements, but my understanding isB that loaning a kit is acceptable, but putting it on a FTP site for anyone to download is not.  ) > This might be what you are looking for:  > http://www1.sqp.com/. > http://www1.sqp.com/DownLoadStepByStep.shtml >...  E That only works if you have the Username/Password that came with your  latest CD kit.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:47:09 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: hamilton@Encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) % Subject: RE: OpenVMS Layered Products / Message-ID: <cr17tt$8l2$1@grandcanyon.binc.net>   | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB4E9FE8@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes: !snip!B !> i'm actually trying to become a vms hobbyist. There are lots ofI !> products available on "OpenVMS Layered Products CD", as I found in the G !> web. I.e. the C compiler. But where the hell do I get this CD? Or is * !> there any way to download the products? !snip! !  !John, ! ( !This might be what you are looking for: !http://www1.sqp.com/ - !http://www1.sqp.com/DownLoadStepByStep.shtml  !   J Unfortunately, the OP is a hobbyist - you need username/password access to? actually download the kits.  Not available to hobbyists, AFAIK.    !Regards !  !Kerry Main  !Senior Consultant !HP Services Canada  !snip!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:14:52 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Layered Products B Message-ID: <1104422721.50bd1945d307a12b204ba352d3c15db0@teranews>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:) > This might be what you are looking for:  > http://www1.sqp.com/. > http://www1.sqp.com/DownLoadStepByStep.shtml  6 Requires Miscoroft platform to proceed on those pages.  T Secondly, it also requires a support contract, and thus not applicable to Hobbyists.  N For Hobbists, you can go to http://www.montagar.com and hunt for the hobbysistL web page, where you can order the hobbysst CD which contains VMS and a small< collection of layered product kits (such as the C compiler).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:50:53 -0800 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> % Subject: Re: OpenVMS Layered Products 6 Message-ID: <3f119ada0412300750e0dd816@mail.gmail.com>  J On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:19:46 -0500, Main, Kerry <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote:8 > > From: John McIntyre [mailto:mcintyre22001@yahoo.ie]: > > C > > i'm actually trying to become a vms hobbyist. There are lots of J > > products available on "OpenVMS Layered Products CD", as I found in theH > > web. I.e. the C compiler. But where the hell do I get this CD? Or is+ > > there any way to download the products?  >  > John,  > ) > This might be what you are looking for:  > http://www1.sqp.com/. > http://www1.sqp.com/DownLoadStepByStep.shtml  A Er, I think http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/ might be more what he  wants, specifically : http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/get_yer_licenses/index.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:44:56 -0600 ' From: "Earl Lakia" <elakia@hotmail.com> ' Subject: SAMBA on Itanium OpenVMS 8.2FT 1 Message-ID: <WNKdnea99aTEm0ncRVn-sA@netnitco.net>   2 Has anyone tried getting SAMBA working on Itanium?1 I have used it before on our Alphas but was going 5 to try and use it on our Itanium.  Not that I am lazy 9 and want someone else to try it first.... Ok, yeah that's  the real reason.  0 How about Cswing too (one of my favorite tools)?   -earl  email: lakia at ipact com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:45:51 +0100 * From: Michael Kukat <michael@unixiron.org>5 Subject: Re: SCSI ON A VAX 4000/500 - WHAT DO I NEED? 8 Message-ID: <20041230173947.X47892@calchas.unixiron.org>   Hi !   On Thu, 29 Dec 2004, Ben wrote: I > KZQSA definately works as a CD-ROM controller... I've used it to boot a I > VAX 4000-400 back before I sold the whole lot off.  Supported or not, I F > don't see why you couldn't boot a hard disk from the card unless theA > hardware/software specifically prevents it.  (but I never tried 
 > that...)  O Sure, CD-ROM and TK50Z and stuff works. It's made for this and supported by the L firmware. It even might be the firmware has no limitations in this place andK can boot from hard disks here. But VMS doesn't support this controller as a N hard disk controller. Pure political stuff. It has "just" 128KB buffer, and isO not so intelligent like MSCP adapters, that's the reason why DEC sold this just N as an interface for CD-ROMs and tapes. I didn't get any information about thisM thing, otherwise i would have written a driver for NetBSD for it :) But in my N research i heard about the very bad implementation of this board. IIRC, it wasD something with the SCSI bus itself, no so much the controller logic.  J Technically, this board might even be better than a simple 5390 based SCSIJ controller like in VAXstation 3100s, but for a "real" VAX, this board just/ wasn't intended to be a true storage interface.   L Politically, it's comparable to the onboard SCSI in the VAXstation 2000. YouM could boot off TK50Z very fine. But you never saw some hard disk connected to J this controller. After applying a nice patch to the firmware (can be foundM somewhere in the net), you could boot off NetBSD very well from SCSI disks on M this controller. But nevertheless, VMS might not support it as controller for  hard disks.   I It's not just a matter of booting... The OS also has something to tell :)   
 ...Michael   --  O http://www.unixiron.org/    Home Powered by: (Net|Open|Free)BSD IRIX NonStop-UX O Solaris AIX HP-UX Tru64 MUNIX Ultrix VMS SINIX Dolphin_Unix OpenStep MacOS A/UX    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:25:40 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 5 Subject: Re: SCSI ON A VAX 4000/500 - WHAT DO I NEED? - Message-ID: <87pt0rvp5n.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   4 David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:   > hairydamon@hotmail.com wrote:   F >> The DSSI-SCSI convertor (HSD10?) option sounds like the best bet. IE >> assume it is some sort of box of tricks or electronic doo-ma-hicky D >> that you plug a DSSI cable in and one side and magically it comes! >> out as SCSI on the other side?   E > Indeed. Search eBay for disk "shelves" such as BA350-xx (where "xx" D > can be any of a number of combinations). The HSD10 will occupy one@ > location in teh shelf and will serve up disks on the shelf via' > DSSI. They will appear as DU devices.   F > You'll still need some info. on how to configure the HSD10, but this? > should be one of many stepping stones on your way to what youe	 > seek...e  F A HSD is the better way to go IMO. The 10 is pretty straight foward toE set up, via a set host/dup, or by pluging a VT into the terminal portiB on it. Can do tapes as well. You may even be able to score a 40 or5 50 with drives. Freight is often the killer for them!    -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.b@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:03:25 GMTe5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)e' Subject: Re: Supported Itanium hardware L Message-ID: <rdeininger-3012040603240001@user-uinj43l.dialup.mindspring.com>  I In article <1104384646.688227.306370@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "Ben"  <cellctl@lycos.com> wrote:  8 >For one, Sparc is a different archetecture alltogether. >-D >The Itanium 1 in the i2000 is that significantly different from the@ >Itanium 2 in the rx systems?  ... or are you referring to other; >hardware besides just the CPU?  Thanks for your time, btw.F  J The CPU isn't the problem.  It's the rest of the hardware in the box.  The  I/O infrastructure is different.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2004 12:03:19 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)i' Subject: Re: Supported Itanium hardwarei- Message-ID: <LsskkxvwROez@cuebid.zko.dec.com>e  ! "Ben" <cellctl@lycos.com> writes:h  E > The Itanium 1 in the i2000 is that significantly different from the A > Itanium 2 in the rx systems?  ... or are you referring to otheri< > hardware besides just the CPU?  Thanks for your time, btw.  D The specific reason why V8.2 will not boot on the i2000 is that the = i2000-specific software has been removed from the V8.2 kit.  n  L The E8.2 (external field test) kit does contain the needed bits, but I don'tB know if the i2000 will boot on E8.2.  It clearly is not supported.   --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com1   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2004 00:46:33 -08001 From: ralf.gaertner@t-systems.com (Ralf Gaertner)s! Subject: TeX / LaTeX for Open VMSf= Message-ID: <e1b5cbf1.0412300046.3321f5f4@posting.google.com>C  B Once the distribution is ready it will be announced. VAX and Alpha8 executables are no problem, Ithanium will be included if i) I can get a cheap rx1600 or0 ii) access to a Ithanium to supplement the tree.  $ The current layout for the images is= <disk>:[texmf.exe.<architecture>.<os_version>] . This tree isT% separated from the sources and fonts.$  E There are some changes within LaTeX, but these are more internal. The D only major "visible" change was the movement of some "optional" coreF packages to the "required" tree. Since LaTeX is pretty stable for someA time, the release interval has been increased from 6 months to 120 months.@  E The hard work is keeping up-to-date with the supplied packages on toph@ of LaTeX. Those interested can look for announcements from "CTAN@ Announcements" or postings wiht the subject "CTAN update: .." in comp.text.tex .   C Today the TeX user's groups in Germany and USA distribute a DVD for @ Windows and Unix, a CD for Windows and a second CD for Unix (see5 http://www.dante.de/software/cdrom/texcollection/ anduD http://www.tug.org/ ) with out-of-box systems and copies of the CTANB archive. In Germany the DVD is also available from a book dealer (A http://www.lob.de/cgi-bin/work/suche?stich1=3865410685&flag=dan )@  $ And some of the recent publications:A Alan Hoenig - TeX Unbound , Oxford University Press , 1999 , ISBNo 0-19-509686-X , ca. EUR 50.-C F.Mittelbach et.al - The LaTeX Companion , 2. Ed , Addison Wesley ,.& 2004 , ISBN 0-201-36299-6 , ca. $ 60.-  9 The companion is not only a reprint but a major revision..  m Ralf   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:37:48 GMTb! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>s% Subject: Re: TeX / LaTeX for Open VMS88 Message-ID: <6ql7t0t3lnk5tcd4j4ki1998mhqcsk18de@4ax.com>  J On 30 Dec 2004 00:46:33 -0800, ralf.gaertner@t-systems.com (Ralf Gaertner) wrote:  C >Once the distribution is ready it will be announced. VAX and Alpha 9 >executables are no problem, Ithanium will be included ifs >i) I can get a cheap rx1600 ore1 >ii) access to a Ithanium to supplement the tree.   5 Sign up for an account on the VMS test drive cluster.e http://www.testdrive.hp.com/   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurf   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2004 09:02:08 -0800 From: "Shawn" <sfm1115@bjc.org> # Subject: Upgrading to OpenVMS 7.3-2sC Message-ID: <1104426128.148044.116200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>d  G I currently have an 1000A 5/400 Alpha server running OpenVMS 7.2-1 with 
 640MB of RAM.l  A Our vendor is requesting that the OS level be upgraded to OpenVMSe 7.3-2.  > I guess I would like to hear the Success and Horror storied ofE upgrading to 7.2-3.  Specific Patches that need to be applied? etc...   E I'd also like to hear comments as to if you all think the new OS willeD run well on the above model of Alpha Server and the amount of RAM it has installed.   Thanks,i Shawns   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2004 10:38:39 -0800$ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org>' Subject: Re: Upgrading to OpenVMS 7.3-2sC Message-ID: <1104431919.633889.262760@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>h  E I did the upgrade from 7.3-1 to 7.3-2 a few weeks ago.  Absolutely asi4 smooth as it was supposed to be.   No issues at all.  C There are definitely patches that need to be applied and you shouldr< bring yourself up to the latest kits (update 3, sys 6, etc).  D The oldest system I did was a 2000 with 256MB memory.  It was out of: memory before the upgrade and it's still out of memory :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:43:30 -0500.< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>; Subject: Re: VMS field test update for Itanium installations, Message-ID: <33im14F3v7degU1@individual.net>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:= > I have downloaded a ZIP file containing a backup saveset off= > a VMS field test for Itanium.  How do I go about installinga >...  E Mind if I ask where did you get the pointer to the ZIP file? Was thisoH because you bought the field test CD or was it from the HP CertificationF people? I ask because the "OpenVMS Systems Administrator" and "OpenVMSH Systems Engineer" certifications I hold are supposed to get me access toF the downloadable IA64 image. But when I asked them where I am supposedE to go to download the image the only reply was that they sent out thenD information before. When I asked them to resend the information theyF went strangely quiet. So if you received the link through them I would# be interested in some more details.l  G These certifications are supposed to get me the Alpha SDK every quarterfH and I understand that some people (where "some people" really means "oneH person who responded to me") are getting the Alpha SDK, but the majority: of the people who I asked have never received the SDK. TheD certifications people also told me that the SDK include the standardC licenses that we get through the DSPP program, but when I asked for"( details they again went strangely quiet.   -- e Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.. Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX. www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:02:10 -0500-$ From: "Kerry Liles" <me@privacy.net> Subject: Re: ~ Happy New Year ~T, Message-ID: <33ijt8F40lpacU1@individual.net>  K Oops, my bad. I see that all of this back and forth was more insidious thanhL I thought. My apologies to the real Darrell Larose (I would call him but...)I My comments about the whole FAQ being tiresome still stand, but I can seem) that the target(s) would be more annoyed.t    3 "Merry Christmas" <anon@anon.anon> wrote in message 6 news:vdMAd.4645$yV1.3779@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > Kerry Liles wrote: >eI > > He doesnt seem to be a coward - his name address and email etc are int the I > > original post. It is tiresome however... I wish he would go away too.K >ED > Kerry,  you need to look at the full headers to see that he forged > Darrell's email address.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2004 16:23:13 -0000) From: Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com>  Subject: Re: ~ Happy New Year ~e7 Message-ID: <00WJLHOY38351.7244560185@anonymous.poster>M  E Cisco troll/netkook/pedophile/asshole Michael Voight "Merry Christmass <anon@anon.anon>" kooked:e   >Kerry Liles wrote:e >pL >> He doesnt seem to be a coward - his name address and email etc are in theH >> original post. It is tiresome however... I wish he would go away too. >tD >Kerry,  you need to look at the full headers to see that he forged  >Darrell's email address.o  C The guy who did it is a pedophile who works for Cisco.  His name isDB Michael Voight.  He's currently trolling under the alias of "Merry Christmas"..  ; About rogue Cisco employee and netkook/troll/usenet floodersC Michael Voight, alias "Merry Christmas", "I Love YOU", "MyNewServer < Comcast", "anon", "anonymous", "nothilaryduff", "Really Me",) "mrtravel", "mrtravelkay", etc. etc. etc.d  6 Currently posting as Merry Christmas <anon@anon.anon>.  B Recently posting as  MyNewServer Comcast <Yes@me.xxxx>, I Love YOUB <Iloveyou@melovesyoutoo.spamnot>, anon <anon@anon.anon>, anonymousA <anonymous@anon.anon>, nothilaryduff <nothilaryduff@hotmail.com>,p1 Kathy Stoltz <kathystoltz@hotmail.com>, Really Me F <reallyme@gmail.com>.  See below for a larger list of all his trolling aliases.  / His work e-mail address is <mvoight@cisco.com>.v   Michael D. Voight  111 Bean Creek Rd, No. 118 Scotts Valley,  CA  95066-4148 (831) 438-2485 mrtravel@sbcglobal.net .  C He is pedophile Gary Burnore's partner in crime.  Gary Burnore is anA convicted sex offender/child molester and the biggest kook in theO history of the net.,  B Voight likes to spend his time in the teenage personals newsgroups! trying to pick up underage girls.e  < The idiot works for Cisco in their Scotts Valley, California; Technical Assistance Center (TAC) and apparently they don'ttF keep him busy enough so he has to troll usenet newsgroups all day long
 from work.  F ***WARNING:  THIS IDIOT HAS BEEN CAUGHT FORGING PEOPLE'S IDENTITIES ON% USENET AND CANCELLING THEIR POSTS.***   < If you are one of his victims, or are simply fed up with hisC trolling/newsgroup flooding, forward his posts to abuse@cisco.com .   D He works in technical support, so forward them to tac@cisco.com too.  5 See further below for more Cisco contact information.o  @ He often posts through sbcglobal and prodigy, so forward them to2 abuse@prodigy.net and abuse@sbcglobal.net as well.  @ His main hangouts (besides the teenage personals newsgroups) areA rec.travel.air and alt.visa.us.marriage-based, a sleazy newsgroup C where foreigners wanting to immigrate to the US hook up with loserstC like Voight who are willing to marry them for money so they can get D their green card.  Voight is a pro at this, handing out daily advice6 on how to be a sleazoid like him and sell green cards.  B When he isn't giving out advice on how to commit federal crimes onC alt.visa.us.marriage-based he is usually on rec.travel.air flooding E that newsgroup with trolls and harassing posters and picking retardedn& fights with the regular posters there.  F He also tends to post a lot in the personals and penpals newsgroups as@ well as the support groups for fat people, lonely folks, and forB depression.  Obviously after his Russian Internet brides get theirD green cards they flee, leaving him lonely and desperate for company.F Maybe that's why he keeps a P.O. Box at the post office, so he can get his personals mail there:l   Voight, Michael  P.O. Box 67016,M Scotts Valley, CA 95067  (408) 461-8707  ? The idiot is a two-time high school dropout and had to join theo+ Marines because even the Army rejected him!t  F He's got a daughter in Orange County that one of his ex-wives had the D intelligence to take away from him.  Lord only knows what could haveF happened to her if she had continued to live with the kook.  The otherC kids he has belong to his previous Russian sleazy brides, and sinceiD they come and go so do the kids.  It wouldn't hurt to let Cisco know? what kind of deviant sexual pervert they have working for them.e  A Many people have wondered how Cisco ever hired such a psycho.  ItoF cheapens their image and credibility in the corporate world after all.A Well, they didn't hire him directly, he came as baggage when theyLC acquired the company he used to work for, TGV Software.  His e-mailf+ address there used to be <mvoight@tgv.com>.s  F All intelligent members of the usenet community have killfiled him, soD he takes great pains to get past their killfiles by rubbing his only; two cerebral neurons together and coming up with gems like:o   mrtrav <mrtrav@mtr.mrt.trm>  mrtrav3 <mrtaa@aa.aa>e( mrraveltay <mrraveltay@me.igpay.atinlay># mrtravelkay <mrtravelkay@a.aa>, andd/ mtravelkay <a.a.a@aaa.aaa> and <""a.a\"@a,a,a>.s  ' Some of his other trolling aliases are:k" Network Guy <networrk@doit.com.no>3 starrystarrynight <starrystarrynight@sbcglobal.net>o  sleepydoc <sleepdoc@verizon.net> jlhunt <jlhunt@huntbros.com> Lost 5 of 8 <seeme@loveme.fun> mrt <mrt@mrt.com>i& news.sf.sbcglobal.net <none@none.none> not-nomen <none@none.none>& UCLAisthebest <uclaisthebest@ucla.edd>& David Tanner <dtanner1256@dtanner.org> Jeff Davies <test@test.test>$ BobTheBuilder <noah@build.me.an.ark>( Bill Clarkj <bill@billclarkpresents.com>! nonomen (notnomen@notnomen.ed.ca)3 Really Me <reallyme@gmail.com>.   D Lately he's had some gender confusion and has been posting as women, such as:$ JerseyGirl <jersey99788@hotmail.com>& Kathy Stoltz <kathystoltz@hotmail.com>) nothilaryduff <nothilaryduff@hotmail.com>   D Perhaps he's thinking of getting a sex change (or worse, raping some teenage girls).y  9 His latest aliases are anon <anon@anon.anon>and anonymousL <anonymous@anon.anon>.  B It would be a good idea to call Cisco at 1-800-553-2447 and ask toB speak with a supervisor and explain that you are EXTREMELY unhappyD that this idiot spends his whole day at work playing on the internet* on company time.  THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT.  B Then write to corporate headquarters explaining what this idiot isC doing and telling them HOW BAD IT IS FOR THEIR COMPANY IMAGE.  They 3 will LOVE that you brought this to their attention:    Cisco Systems, Inc.h 170 West Tasman Dr.v San Jose, CA 95134 USAc  B Then also call them.  You should always follow up email or lettersF with phone calls.  Always ask for supervisors or managers.  Try to get as far up as possible.  
 (408)526-4000  (800)553-NETS or
 (800)553-6387a  > Contact Investor Relations and tell them you are interested inE investing in their company but won't do so until they get rid of thise) asshole who is wasting company resources:    Cisco Systems, Inc.  Investor Relations Department> 170 West Tasman Drive' San Jose, CA 95134-1706o Phone: (408) 526-8890  Fax: (408) 526-4545a# Email: investor-relations@cisco.comi  C Might as well contact customer service too, they LOVE to hear aboutn this type of stuff:    USA 1 800 553 6387   ic-support-us@cisco.comt cs-support-us@cisco.com   C Then finally, send letters with copies of his nasty posts addressed>? personally to each one of the OFFICERS of the company using theeD headquarters address.  Believe me, they READ your complaints and are> VERY INTERESTED in them, especially if it's about one of theirF employees.  They will take a PERSONAL interest in rooting this ASSHOLE out of their company:    John Morgridge, Chairman Phone: (408) 526-8229n Fax: (408) 526-4100  morgridg@cisco.com   John Chambers, President, CEOs Phone: (408) 526-8222> Fax: (408) 526-4100  chambers@cisco.com  9 Larry Carter, CFO, Sr. VP-Fin. and Admin., Sec., Directory Phone: (408) 526-8211  Fax: (408) 526-4100e Email: lcarter@cisco.com  3 Richard Justice, Sr. VP, Worldwide Field Operationst Phone: (408) 527-7371  Fax: (408) 526-4100r Email: justice@cisco.com  ? Brad Boston,Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer  Phone: (408) 526-7008w Fax: (408) 526-8220> Email: bboston@cisco.com   Susan Lori Bostrom8 Senior Vice President, Internet Business Solutions Group Phone: (408) 527-5648m Fax: (408) 526-4100r Email: sbostrom@cisco.com    Howard S. Charneyv. Senior Vice President, Office of the President Phone: (408) 526-8300h Fax: (408) 526-4100t Email: charney@cisco.com  
 Kate DCamp& Senior Vice President, Human Resources Phone: (408) 527-9530s Fax: (408) 526-4100  Email: kdcamp@cisco.come   Gail Morales$ Manager, Human Resources, Employment Phone: (408) 527-6654i Fax: (408) 526-4100t Email: gmorales@cisco.comt   Peggy Lyncht Employee Benefitsd Phone: (408) 526-8859h Fax: (408) 527-6080l Email: plynch@cisco.com,  
 Mario Mazzolav3 Senior Vice President and Chief Development Officerl Phone: (408) 526-5535t Fax: (408) 526-4100m Email: mazzola@cisco.com   Betsy Rafael' Vice President and Corporate Controllere Phone: (408) 525-0164i Fax: (408) 526-4100h Email: brafael@cisco.com   Claudia Cenicerosc Manager, Public Relationso Phone: (408) 525-4700h Fax: (408) 526-4100l Email: ccenicer@cisco.com    Write, call, and fax:s   Cisco Systems, Inc.  170 West Tasman Drivem$ San Jose, California 95134-1706, USA Phone: (408) 526-4000o Fax: (408) 526-4100p (800)553-NETS = (800)553-6387   	 Have fun!l ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E This message was posted via one or more anonymous remailing services.nE The original sender is unknown.  Any address shown in the From headers is unverified.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.725 ************************