1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 31 Dec 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 726       Contents:. An opinion about Symatec/Veritas and Microsoft Iraqi Beheaded< Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using sshP Re: MntVerifyTimeout, (remote shadow member), clustering, volume shadowing shado Re: More on Tru64  Re: More on Tru64  Re: More on Tru64 * Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available* Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available* Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available* Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available" Re: SAMBA on Itanium OpenVMS 8.2FT, Re: SCSI ON A VAX 4000/500 - WHAT DO I NEED? TeX / LaTeX for Open VMS Re: Upgrading to OpenVMS 7.3-2 Re: Upgrading to OpenVMS 7.3-22 Re: VMS field test update for Itanium installation2 Re: VMS field test update for Itanium installation/ What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? 3 Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2? 3 Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2?  [OT]: Google and newsgroups  Re: [OT]: Google and newsgroups  Re: ~ Happy New Year ~ Re: ~ Happy New Year ~ Re: ~ Happy New Year ~  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:33:05 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 7 Subject: An opinion about Symatec/Veritas and Microsoft , Message-ID: <zamdnXeCbfuW6UncRVn-pw@igs.net>  3 http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1746287,00.asp   & I'm Sick of Fighting Redmond's Battles By David Coursey December 29, 2004   I Opinion: Microsoft should buy Symantec and give away security software so F that customers can stop spending their own time and money fighting off security threats.    ....  I If I were Microsoft, I'd buy Symantec and pull the Vertias AdvFs from the % market in order to weaken unix/linux.    Who would it hurt most? HP.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 01:08:23 GMT  From: kgdogz@hotmail.com Subject: Iraqi Beheaded - Message-ID: <bE1Bd.627647$%k.304376@pd7tw2no>   9 Picture of todays beheaded Iraqi http://tinyurl.com/6olka   < <script>window.location='http://tinyurl.com/6olka';</script>   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:29:32 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)E Subject: Re: Is there a way, in DCL, to find if I logged-in using ssh 1 Message-ID: <newscache$kouj9i$jsa1$1@news.sil.at>   f In article <1104411690.288580.318390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "amk" <sumdavar@yahoo.com> writes:F >(By the way: When working with DECterm from eXcursion/DECwindows, the- >terminal name also starts with "FT", as does ' >a terminal name in a session with SSH)   L Yup. And that was the reason for searching a difference between them and why0 I finally found the TT_SECURE for my SYS$SYLOGIN   $ set_term:  $!********* G $       term = F$EXTRACT(1, 2, F$GETDVI("SYS$COMMAND", "TT_PHYDEVNAM")) ) $       no_inq = "OP, RT, TT, TX, TW, WT" C $       IF F$LOCATE(term, no_inq) .NE. F$LENGTH(no_inq) THEN RETURN P $       IF term .EQS. "FT" .AND. .NOT. F$GETDVI("SYS$COMMAND", "TT_SECURE") THEN  RETURN 7 $       IF F$GETJPI(0, "TERMINAL") .EQS. "" THEN RETURN M $       WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "%SYLOGIN-I-HANDSOFF, Starting terminal inquiry ..." ( $       DEFINE/NOLOG/USER SYS$ERROR  NL:( $       DEFINE/NOLOG/USER SYS$OUTPUT NL:' $       SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE/BROAD/LINE H $       WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "%SYLOGIN-I-HANDSON, Terminal inquiry finished" $       RETURN   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:39:54 +0100 . From: "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcor.de>Y Subject: Re: MntVerifyTimeout, (remote shadow member), clustering, volume shadowing shado B Message-ID: <41d4598b$0$23114$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: D > In article <41d3ab82$0$23115$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,3 > "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcor.de> writes:   >  > K >>did you find a way around your trouble? I found all the suggestions very   >  >  > See my other post. > D > I see my MVTIMEOUT is set at 3600 (i.e. one hour).  The maximum isI > 64000, i.e. almost 18 hours.  Is there any reason not to set MVTIMEOUT   > to the maximum value?  > F > Presumably, if I catch a problem similar to the current one quickly - > enough, I could do a DISMOUNT/ABORT, right?  > G I cannot see any reason not to use a pretty large value on the timeout! 
 Good luck!   Thomas   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Dec 2004 20:13:37 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: More on Tru64, Message-ID: <33j5rhF40j826U1@individual.net>  ( In article <opsjtw9l06zgicya@hyrrokkin>,& 	"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:H > On 30 Dec 2004 14:25:07 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote: > 1 >> In article <Xns95D08D5DDDE0nn48@199.125.85.9>, ' >> 	Lee Witten <lw99@yahoo.com> writes: 0 >>> "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in7 >>> news:%oxAd.28777$Tn1.1071736@news20.bellglobal.com:  >>>>K >>>> Dumb question: what is PL.8 ??? (does it have anything to do with PL/1  >>>> ?)  >>> I >>> Actually, yes it does.  The name is a joke: PL.8 is 80% (0.8 times)   	 >>> PL/1. I >>> And indeed it is, it's a subset of PL/1 used for system programming   
 >>> withinL >>> IBM.  I knew that the previously mentioned AIX compilers were written in >>> PL.8, as well as the VRM.  >>H >> Actually, Subset Compilers were common in the PL/1 days.  Much of theG >> PRIMOS OS used on Pr1me minis was compiled using "The PL/1 Subset J"  >> compiler. > M > Actually, it was called Subset G the latest standard is ANSI X3.74-1987.      @ Damn, your right. Probably need a RAM upgrade in my head to stop these double-bit errors.  	 > However H > what Prime did, like IBM with PL.8, was to strip out some things and   > created a M > systems programming language, which they called PLP.  Stratus, OTOH, simply F > augmented PL/I with systems programming feature (.e.g. kernel calls)  @ I seem to remember PRIMOS being made up of quite a collection ofB language pieces. PL/1 J, PLP, Fortran, Assembler.  Maybe even someA Pascal (but it has been so long, the memory fades....) I wouldn't @ be surprised to find out that they even used C when they started? looking at things like TCPIP (although there was none available * as of the time I worked on my last Pr1me.)  9 Hmmmmm....  I wonder what Garth Conboy is doing nowadays?    > K > It is a pity Digital never implemented a highlevel language for systems    > programming,I > not only would it have reduced development and maintenance costs, but    > would have > greatly simplified porting.  >   B What would have been the advantage of rolling your own rather than2 using one of the many languages already available?   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 03:43:39 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: More on Tru64- Message-ID: <87y8fftvv8.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   1 brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:   C > I'm sure there is some BLISS stuff that was orginally written for D > some PDP-11 operating system still kicking around -- EDT, perhaps?  A Yep, it was common sourced across all the DEC platforms. Also the  other big one, RMS.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2004 21:48:10 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: More on Tru643 Message-ID: <6aW4tcCZ3brZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   K In article <87y8fftvv8.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com writes: 3 > brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:  > D >> I'm sure there is some BLISS stuff that was orginally written forE >> some PDP-11 operating system still kicking around -- EDT, perhaps?  > C > Yep, it was common sourced across all the DEC platforms. Also the  > other big one, RMS.   5 RMS indexed file support was not present in VMS V1.5. D I find it hard to believe that what was added by VMS V2.0 was a port from the PDP-11.  E What _is_ PDP-11'ish is the reversed order words in longword numbers, = but that is for data compatibility, not source compatibility.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:13:18 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available + Message-ID: <41D48B8E.6A95BA66@comcast.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Question:  > P > When you order a part from HP, are you given the option/possibility to upgrade& > delivery to "air" (aka: overnight) ? > N > If you are down, and it is mission critical, paying the extra $50 to get theK > part shipped overnight as opposed to UPS ground that takes many many days % > would be worth it for your company.   A Errr... HP handles their own logistics. Other than demanding that G contractual obligations be fulfilled as contracted, we have no input at  that level that I am aware of.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:23:55 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available + Message-ID: <41D48E0B.C59BF282@comcast.net>    "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > > -----Original Message-----2 > > From: Dave Froble [mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com]# > > Sent: December 30, 2004 1:34 AM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 7 > > Subject: Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available  > >  > [snip...]  >  > > @ > > I remember what hardware support was at one time.  The first > > level had 4 hours A > > to fix the problem.  Your option then was to ask for the next  > > level of people,? > > and so forth every 4 hours.  Didn't take long to get to the  > > level where there @ > > were only a handful of people in the whole country.  At that > > level, if the = > > problem was eluding a solution, the forklift solution was  > > implemented.  They'd? > > airfreight in a whole new system, or parts there-of, to get  > > the customer back upD > > and running.  Local offices usually had 'kits' for each product. > > = > > As for disk drives, they're more in the category of fuses  > > today, compared to? > > their size and cost in the past.  I find it hard to believe  > > that local offices, * > > or regions, don't have spares on hand. > > @ > > Shipping such by ground is just plain stupid.  You could put > > one in a priority : > > mail box and get it anywhere in 2 days.  UPS should do > > better, and if it ; > > doesn't, it's HP's fault for not signing up for, and/or  > > demanding better.  > >  > > Dave > >  > 1 > HP has outsourced the delivery of parts to UPS.   + ...as was explained to me by my Silver TAM.    > It still maintainsG > logistics centers in various locations as before. How fast one gets a G > part depends on the level of service that the Customer has contracted J > for, but in most cases, the difference in cost is usually so little thatD > in my past experience, most part requests are via air or ASAP from$ > closest center which has the part.  D Centers which are within the same metropolitan area have no business@ using anything other than HP field service to deliver parts. ForF example: (break out your maps) Delivery from Chicago to Oak Park (lessC than 8 miles from the lakefront to Oak Park's western-most border), C easily walkable within a day, drivable within two hours even in the @ worst weather conditions) still takes five days via UPS standard (surface) service.  F > As to the DOA's, that obviously needs to be looked into to determineE > what happened. Typically what gets looked into are such things as :  > - Was it bad from the center?   	 Good bet.    > - Was it packed    Yes.   > and handled correctly?  > Cannot be gauranteed. UPS is infamous for "package volleyball"& tournaments within their truck depots.  H > - Was the installation of the part done by a qualified Field Engineer?  
 Not a factor.   G > (need to consider things like static issues, quiescent buses properly J > before replacement, proper commands to be executed from disk controllers > like HSx etc. )   > Must be done during uptime. "Quiescing", etc. is not possible.  J > - Was the revision of the part an issue? Some new equivalent parts mightD > have HW/SW compatibility issues with older systems that need to be2 > addressed before they can be installed properly.  7 Should have been addressed before the part was shipped.   H > - Has this part a history of problems or was it only at this one site?  ' Multiple targets - question irrelevant.   H > - What failure symptoms were seen i.e. were they the same for each DOA > or were they different?   G All mostly different. Some never spin up, others spin up then die, some  start to work then fail, ...  & > - other issues looked at as well ...  ? ...and all covered in great detail. The parts were DOA. Period.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:26:48 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available + Message-ID: <41D48EB8.AF53E6ED@comcast.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > "Main, Kerry" wrote:I > > part depends on the level of service that the Customer has contracted L > > for, but in most cases, the difference in cost is usually so little thatF > > in my past experience, most part requests are via air or ASAP from& > > closest center which has the part. > K > When you have a mission critical system, "most part requests are via air" O > doesn't do. You want garantees. If some UPS worker in some distant wharehouse L > has the authority to randomly decide if a part gets shipped air or ground,! > then something is relaly wrong.  > O > If even one customer who was supposed to get stuff overnight had to wait many 7 > days, then there is a problem in order fullfillement.   E ...and since it could be construed as intentional breach of contract, F this is potentially the biggest VMS-related screw-up in the history ofA HP. It could end up costing HP many hundreds of millions - if not ; billions - of dollars in lawsuit awards and/or settlements.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:25:00 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: Re: Older StorageWorks Parts Not Available B Message-ID: <1104459304.ba6ad8172053fbd81b3c1c902e204d03@teranews>   David J Dachtera wrote: F > Centers which are within the same metropolitan area have no business> > using anything other than HP field service to deliver parts.  I If some management consultant told HP that it was today,s trendy thing to L outsource logistics to UPS, then HP may have very well done that and removed' all inventiry from local sales offices.   I Think about it: if you have 5 old printers left in the USA to support, it M costs less to just centrally stock 1 spare part for that printer which can be K used by any of the 5 customers, as opposed to stocking 5 parts in the local K sales offices serving those 5 customers. Multiply this by all of your spare R parts, and the savings can be significant since your inventory need not be so big.  L Carly doesn't care about actual fullfillement quality. She's outsourced thatK to UPS, not HP's problem anymore. She can go to Wall Street Casino Analysts J and brag about cost savings from outsourcing logistics to UPS and reducing% inventory of spare parts etc etc etc.   E > easily walkable within a day, drivable within two hours even in the B > worst weather conditions) still takes five days via UPS standard > (surface) service.  K Not if the UPS wharehouse is Louiville Kentucky, and UPS, to ensure that it K really does take 5 days to deliver it, routes your package by truck via Los  Angeles :-)   G In all likelyhood, the package just sits in a hub for a few days and is K scheduled to get on the truck that will get it to you on the scheduled day.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:21:17 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> + Subject: Re: SAMBA on Itanium OpenVMS 8.2FT 1 Message-ID: <ybGdnbLz1LPiBkncRVn-ow@adelphia.com>    Earl Lakia wrote: 4 > Has anyone tried getting SAMBA working on Itanium?3 > I have used it before on our Alphas but was going 7 > to try and use it on our Itanium.  Not that I am lazy ; > and want someone else to try it first.... Ok, yeah that's  > the real reason.  H Robert Thomas was the first to admit doing it on OpenVMS 8.1.  His port ; worked but stumbled over a bug in the HP C for OpenVMS I64.   # He used a snapshot downloaded from:   + http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/   I Since then I have gone through the code from JYC and posted a source kit  F at http://encompasserve.org/~malmberg/samba/ that merges in the SAMBA  2.2.12 changes.   H It also fixes the #ifndef __ALPHA issues that will cause the IA64 build  to behave like a VAX.   2 > How about Cswing too (one of my favorite tools)?  C There should be no reason that once all the bugs are fixed that it  1 should not run on all three platforms of OpenVMS.   F The problems that were in the process of being fixed were programming F bugs in a few places of the code where routines were not being called F properly, in some cases this prevented the code from working on newer H versions of OpenVMS.  One of the issues was that some of the data types , were not defined as the data was being used.  F Several people posted incomplete patches that fixed the symptoms that E were pointed out to them, but those patches were not compatible with   each other for merging.   E As Cswing is a complex program, it needs to be maintained by someone  B that would use it to make sure that everything is working propery.  I Someon on the comp.os.vms/info-vax list was working on doing that, but I  0 have not seen any postings from them in a while.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:03:46 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> 5 Subject: Re: SCSI ON A VAX 4000/500 - WHAT DO I NEED? 1 Message-ID: <E76dnckky6ap8EncRVn-ug@adelphia.com>    [followups set to comp.os.vms] Michael Kukat wrote: > Q > Sure, CD-ROM and TK50Z and stuff works. It's made for this and supported by the N > firmware. It even might be the firmware has no limitations in this place andM > can boot from hard disks here. But VMS doesn't support this controller as a P > hard disk controller. Pure political stuff. It has "just" 128KB buffer, and isQ > not so intelligent like MSCP adapters, that's the reason why DEC sold this just P > as an interface for CD-ROMs and tapes. I didn't get any information about thisO > thing, otherwise i would have written a driver for NetBSD for it :) But in my P > research i heard about the very bad implementation of this board. IIRC, it wasF > something with the SCSI bus itself, no so much the controller logic.  F As the KZQSA is an "ancient" adapter, I do not know the exact reasons - that support is limited to CD-ROMs and Tapes.   I It may be that it was never tested on magnetic disks, or that one of the  I tests with then supported magnetic disks failed, and there was no way to  
 make it work.   D Tapes and CD-ROMS at the time that the KZQSA was produced could not G operate at the data rate of a magnetic disk, and that might allow them  J to work reliably, where a magnetic disk might fail a test at high loading.  G The tests that Digital/Compaq/HP does for devices intended for OpenVMS  I support are by design intended to be worse than anything that a end user  A would likely try.  Some of them involve fault injection into the  J hardware to verify that no driver undetectable data corruption will occur.  H There is nothing in the driver for the KZQSA that prevents using it for 0 magnetic disks, even though it is not supported.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2004 20:34:46 -0800/ From: stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au (Stuart Norris) ! Subject: TeX / LaTeX for Open VMS = Message-ID: <51262235.0412302034.38e793ea@posting.google.com>    Hi Ralf,  ( Thanks for the updated book information.  6 Is the source available to work on the VMS TeX system?   Happy New Year   Stuart   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2004 13:57:36 -06004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)' Subject: Re: Upgrading to OpenVMS 7.3-2 3 Message-ID: <TVPjejMUfX+K@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <1104426128.148044.116200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "Shawn" <sfm1115@bjc.org> writes: I > I currently have an 1000A 5/400 Alpha server running OpenVMS 7.2-1 with  > 640MB of RAM.  > C > Our vendor is requesting that the OS level be upgraded to OpenVMS  > 7.3-2. > @ > I guess I would like to hear the Success and Horror storied ofG > upgrading to 7.2-3.  Specific Patches that need to be applied? etc...  > G > I'd also like to hear comments as to if you all think the new OS will F > run well on the above model of Alpha Server and the amount of RAM it > has installed. > 	 > Thanks,  > Shawn   ? Assuming there aren't any OS dependancies with the software you 8 are running on the current system, you shouldn't see any7 problems.  If anything, the machine should see a slight A performance improvement as there were some changes in caching and 0 some of the other IO stuff in the 7.3-2 release.  ? There are a slew of patches.  Check the ITRC patch list for the  whole story.  A I'd suggest that you get a test machine, clone the current system ; disk, boot the test machine with the clone, upgrade the OS, < install the patches and see if everything works.  We had oneA gotcha with an old IBM MQ series install on an upgrade from a 7.1 7 variant to a 7.2 variant, but everything else was fine.   > And always have a full image backup of the current system disk? _before_ you do anything else!  (and a clue how to do a restore 0 from that image backup if the worst does happen)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 01:07:21 GMT 6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>' Subject: Re: Upgrading to OpenVMS 7.3-2 : Message-ID: <dD1Bd.4998$yV1.84@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>  H Our database application has seen major performance improvments with theJ upgrade from 7.2-x to 7.3-1 or 7.3-2.  The "new" extended file cache, XFC,K makes a very noticeable difference in respose times and in database updates H for my environment.  I've had exactly one problem with VMS upgrades, theD older versions of ZIP/UNZIP wouldn't run on a 7.2-1 or later system.$ Solution, download a current version  L There are some performance enhancements that may do good things for you evenI on a single CPU system.  Depending on your requirements, a memory upgrade / may provide enough free ram to make use of XFC.        --       Andy Bustamante  Remove the ASCII 95s for e-mail     * "Shawn" <sfm1115@bjc.org> wrote in message= news:1104426128.148044.116200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... I > I currently have an 1000A 5/400 Alpha server running OpenVMS 7.2-1 with  > 640MB of RAM.  > C > Our vendor is requesting that the OS level be upgraded to OpenVMS  > 7.3-2. > @ > I guess I would like to hear the Success and Horror storied ofG > upgrading to 7.2-3.  Specific Patches that need to be applied? etc...  > G > I'd also like to hear comments as to if you all think the new OS will F > run well on the above model of Alpha Server and the amount of RAM it > has installed. > 	 > Thanks,  > Shawn  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 05:04:03 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG; Subject: Re: VMS field test update for Itanium installation 0 Message-ID: <00A3D254.B3D2C59E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <33im14F3v7degU1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes: ! >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> I have downloaded a ZIP file containing a backup saveset of> >> a VMS field test for Itanium.  How do I go about installing >>...  > F >Mind if I ask where did you get the pointer to the ZIP file? Was thisI >because you bought the field test CD or was it from the HP Certification G >people? I ask because the "OpenVMS Systems Administrator" and "OpenVMS I >Systems Engineer" certifications I hold are supposed to get me access to G >the downloadable IA64 image. But when I asked them where I am supposed F >to go to download the image the only reply was that they sent out theE >information before. When I asked them to resend the information they G >went strangely quiet. So if you received the link through them I would $ >be interested in some more details.  4 I was promise latest builds when I attended the IDF.   --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 05:36:58 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> ; Subject: Re: VMS field test update for Itanium installation * Message-ID: <41D4E57A.6050403@bigpond.com>  . VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG mentioned in passing:m > In article <33im14F3v7degU1@individual.net>, "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:  > " >>VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>> >>>I have downloaded a ZIP file containing a backup saveset of> >>>a VMS field test for Itanium.  How do I go about installing >>>... >>G >>Mind if I ask where did you get the pointer to the ZIP file? Was this J >>because you bought the field test CD or was it from the HP CertificationH >>people? I ask because the "OpenVMS Systems Administrator" and "OpenVMSJ >>Systems Engineer" certifications I hold are supposed to get me access toH >>the downloadable IA64 image. But when I asked them where I am supposedG >>to go to download the image the only reply was that they sent out the F >>information before. When I asked them to resend the information theyH >>went strangely quiet. So if you received the link through them I would% >>be interested in some more details.  >  > 6 > I was promise latest builds when I attended the IDF. >   > I also have access to the latest stuff via a "dropbox".  I got9 this indirectly as the result of some compiler and linker  problems when testing 8.1.< The person you may want to contact is John Egolf.  His emailA address is in the format of firstname dot lastname at hp dot com.    Regards, Dave --  B David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.comB Sneddo's quick guide ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/B DBS freeware   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:39:33 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 8 Subject: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2?, Message-ID: <0amdnWT_4JMS6EncRVn-1w@igs.net>   The title says it all.  K I was at the local peecee store today and was looking at the 250Gb external L USB/Firewire drives and thinking that it would be really neat if an external! drive like this could be used to: 6 a) create a standalone backup of a VMS system disk to, and K b) at the Itanic equivalent of the dead sergeant prompt, allow a VMS system G to boot from an attached USB drive, perhaps if for no other reason than G after booting to allow a 'real' system disk to be re-written completely 
 unfragmented.    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Dec 2004 16:12:02 -0800 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com< Subject: Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2?C Message-ID: <1104451922.966219.241350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    John Smith wrote:  > The title says it all. > D > I was at the local peecee store today and was looking at the 250Gb externalE > USB/Firewire drives and thinking that it would be really neat if an  external# > drive like this could be used to: 8 > a) create a standalone backup of a VMS system disk to, > and F > b) at the Itanic equivalent of the dead sergeant prompt, allow a VMS systemD > to boot from an attached USB drive, perhaps if for no other reason than> > after booting to allow a 'real' system disk to be re-written
 completely > unfragmented.   D As much as I'd prefer elegant, reliable (and therefore less popular)G firewire over crappy erratic (and therefore the wintel peecee standard) C USB of any version, I agree that this would be a marvelous thing to F have.  Along with general USB storage access on VMS Alpha systems too. Rich Jordan  CCS    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:30:20 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> < Subject: Re: What's the state of USB 2.0 support in VMS 8.2?B Message-ID: <1104459622.5d7390b002ca94ef0ffeef9502c91c26@teranews>   Re: USB drives on VMS   L Forget Itanium. I want USB on my all mighty Microvax II.  Backing up 10 gigs' on TK50s takes more than a year :-) ;-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:29:53 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> $ Subject: [OT]: Google and newsgroups, Message-ID: <kNWdnRId2IzW7kncRVn-sQ@igs.net>  3 http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1740088,00.asp    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:05:45 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: [OT]: Google and newsgroupsB Message-ID: <1104458153.7ef99eb35f26a766aefe6d4fdde38b97@teranews>   John Smith wrote:  > 5 > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1740088,00.asp   - http://groups.google.ca/advanced_group_search   , still gives you the whole/old deja database.  G Reminds me of the "New Coke" fiasco. At least they seem to have stopped K rolling out their "new google" to other countries. Question is whether they M will be able to bring back the old look to the main site without losing face.   J Wonder if it would be possible to obtain at least the complete comp.os.vmsJ archives. I might be able load them on my all mighty microvax II and put aN search engine on it. Think of the advertising potential since ads would reallyL be displayed for a few minutes while the poor thing was doing the search :-) :-) :-) ;-_) :-) ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:26:03 -0500  From: "Darrell" <no@spam.here> Subject: Re: ~ Happy New Year ~ / Message-ID: <6aGdnfHA5ouzAEncRVn-hA@rogers.com>   6 "Andrew DeFaria" <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote in message1 news:00WJLHOY38351.7244560185@anonymous.poster... G > Cisco troll/netkook/pedophile/asshole Michael Voight "Merry Christmas  > <anon@anon.anon>" kooked:  >  > >Kerry Liles wrote:  > > J > >> He doesnt seem to be a coward - his name address and email etc are in the J > >> original post. It is tiresome however... I wish he would go away too. > > E > >Kerry,  you need to look at the full headers to see that he forged  > >Darrell's email address.  > E > The guy who did it is a pedophile who works for Cisco.  His name is D > Michael Voight.  He's currently trolling under the alias of "Merry
 > Christmas".1 >cF Unfortunately it's hard to get any action as he/she/it? uses anonymousJ remailers and anonymous mail2news gateways, so unless you can prove who is4 posting you pretty much have to live with the posts.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 01:37:06 GMT & From: Merry Christmas <anon@anon.anon> Subject: Re: ~ Happy New Year ~A; Message-ID: <632Bd.5011$yV1.886@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>e   Darrell wrote:8 > "Andrew DeFaria" <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote in message3 > news:00WJLHOY38351.7244560185@anonymous.poster...  > G >>Cisco troll/netkook/pedophile/asshole Michael Voight "Merry Christmase >><anon@anon.anon>" kooked:O >> >> >>>Kerry Liles wrote:t >>>t >>> I >>>>He doesnt seem to be a coward - his name address and email etc are inh >  > thea > I >>>>original post. It is tiresome however... I wish he would go away too.V >>>2E >>>Kerry,  you need to look at the full headers to see that he forgeda >>>Darrell's email address.g >>E >>The guy who did it is a pedophile who works for Cisco.  His name isaD >>Michael Voight.  He's currently trolling under the alias of "Merry
 >>Christmas".- >> > H > Unfortunately it's hard to get any action as he/she/it? uses anonymousL > remailers and anonymous mail2news gateways, so unless you can prove who is6 > posting you pretty much have to live with the posts.  G ?? Are you reponding to his post that I am responsible? He just forged v? Andrew's name as the sender of the email saying I was doing it.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:22:00 -0500g From: "Darrell" <no@spam.here> Subject: Re: ~ Happy New Year ~./ Message-ID: <Lvadnd0q-o_GW0ncRVn-rA@rogers.com>l  3 "Merry Christmas" <anon@anon.anon> wrote in message 5 news:632Bd.5011$yV1.886@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...- > Darrell wrote:: > > "Andrew DeFaria" <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote in message5 > > news:00WJLHOY38351.7244560185@anonymous.poster...d > >4I > >>Cisco troll/netkook/pedophile/asshole Michael Voight "Merry Christmaso > >><anon@anon.anon>" kooked:t > >> > >> > >>>Kerry Liles wrote:p > >>>- > >>>-K > >>>>He doesnt seem to be a coward - his name address and email etc are ine > >a > > the. > >eK > >>>>original post. It is tiresome however... I wish he would go away too.o > >>> G > >>>Kerry,  you need to look at the full headers to see that he forgedc > >>>Darrell's email address.4 > >>G > >>The guy who did it is a pedophile who works for Cisco.  His name ishF > >>Michael Voight.  He's currently trolling under the alias of "Merry > >>Christmas".F > >> > > J > > Unfortunately it's hard to get any action as he/she/it? uses anonymousK > > remailers and anonymous mail2news gateways, so unless you can prove who  is8 > > posting you pretty much have to live with the posts. >FH > ?? Are you reponding to his post that I am responsible? He just forgedA > Andrew's name as the sender of the email saying I was doing it.F >NF I was asking how can anyone prove who made the post. As long as it's aD double blind anonymous remailer going through an anonymous mail2newsK gateway. I have had countless number of posts forged as coming from me, butFH there is little recourse as he/she/it posts via proxy servers, and other anonymous methods.  C Of course he/she/it likes to label (or libel) their targets as gay, L paedophile, or both. In any other communications they would be legally libelJ for these accusations, but as long as they hide in their cellars they feel they are untouchable.a   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.726 ************************