0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 07 Feb 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 75      Contents: Re: CXX patches - where are?" ECP VMSDSK Total I/O Rate = 177658" Re: Heads up on the latest UCX ECO" Re: Heads up on the latest UCX ECO) need to get cluster impersonator from DCL  new TCPIP patch for 5.3 1 Re: OpenGL Drawing, Motif on PseudoColor, ZLXp-E1 D Re: SHOCKING:  Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying  (BBC Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? RE: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?" ~Latest known J F trolling aliases  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 11:46:55 -0500 / From: Geoge Pagliarulo <georgepag@adelphia.net> % Subject: Re: CXX patches - where are? 1 Message-ID: <IYidnS4xL9mIi7jdRVn-sQ@adelphia.com>    Robert Trawinski wrote: K > I've just installed CXX 6.5-004 on OpenVMS 7.3.-1. When I compile my old   > CXX files compiler dies withK > access violation. Are there any patches for CXX? And where? I can't find   > CXX patch on ITRC. >  > Robert >     I I'll check Monday and get these patches on the ITRC site.  At the moment  G I don't know why they didn't go over when the kits were moved from the  H old site.   Anytime you don't find a kit that should be on the download I site let me know and I'll take care of it.  It's best to use the address  2 below rather than the Adelphia (personal) address.   George Pagliarulo  Hewlett Packard Company  george.pagliarulo@hp.com 603-884-1000   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 07:50:18 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)+ Subject: ECP VMSDSK Total I/O Rate = 177658 1 Message-ID: <04020707501895@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   E Enterprise Capacity Performance Analyzer V5.4B-14 (c) Compaq Computer   , I have ECP configured to cycle every minute.  L I was looking at ECP VMSDSK data records and noted a value of 177658 for the. Total I/O Rate for one of the logical volumes.  N The volume consists of 6 x 9.1-GB configured as a RAID 0+1 device, on an HSG80 controller pair (full cache).   I Obviously the volume is not capable of that high of IOPS nor is the HSG80  controller.   ; In addition I have VCC I/O cache configured for 512-MBytes.   N Is this value for the one minute cycle time (accumulated)?  That would make it3 2960 IOPS - a more appropriate value for this disk.    TIA      J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 10:47:07 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>+ Subject: Re: Heads up on the latest UCX ECO 0 Message-ID: <4024C22B.79146F60@sture.homeip.net>   Simon Clubley wrote: > [ > In article <ezUUb.304$964.111@edtnps84>, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> writes:  > > Where do you get this ?  > >  > I > One of the annoyances of patch kit notifications now been weekly... :-)  > J > There is now a command procedure (written by Graham Burley) that runs onL > Eisner and lifts any new patch kit announcements direct from the patch kitI > FTP site and posts them on Eisner without having to wait for the weekly  > bulletins. > 8 > I got the ECO announcement from the posting on Eisner. >   B Where on Eisner? I've just looked and can't  see anything obvious.  D And I can't find any recent TCP/IP patches on ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/% - or am I looking in the wrong place?    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 11:30:14 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>+ Subject: Re: Heads up on the latest UCX ECO 0 Message-ID: <4024CC46.4BE2DC19@sture.homeip.net>   Paul Sture wrote:  >  > Simon Clubley wrote: > > ] > > In article <ezUUb.304$964.111@edtnps84>, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> writes:  > > > Where do you get this ?  > > >  > > K > > One of the annoyances of patch kit notifications now been weekly... :-)  > > L > > There is now a command procedure (written by Graham Burley) that runs onN > > Eisner and lifts any new patch kit announcements direct from the patch kitK > > FTP site and posts them on Eisner without having to wait for the weekly  > > bulletins. > > : > > I got the ECO announcement from the posting on Eisner. > >  > D > Where on Eisner? I've just looked and can't  see anything obvious. >   5 OK, found Graham's procedure and ran it successfully.    F > And I can't find any recent TCP/IP patches on ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/' > - or am I looking in the wrong place?   E Aha. I made the mistake of trying that site from Netscape 3.03. Using G FTP from the command line lists both  the image and text files. Moral - < don't trust the listings of that site produced by Netscape!    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:33:12 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)2 Subject: need to get cluster impersonator from DCL$ Message-ID: <c037go$30j$2@online.de>  H Is there a way to get the current cluster impersonator from DCL (or, if , it's the only way, from a compiled program)?  F The reason I need this is because I want to periodically check if the G OSU HTTP server is running and, if not, START IT ON THE NODE WHICH HAS  ! THE CURRENT CLUSTER IMPERSONATOR.   D I've posted a few questions concerning this to the OSU list, but it ( seems to be very inactive at the moment.  D I'm still trying to figure out if it is possible to cleanly run the G server on all nodes simultaneously, with the same configuration files,  G log files etc.  Do I need to put the node name in the log file perhaps? F If it is already running on another node, it doesn't seem to start up  cleanly.  C Even if there was no problem with log files etc at startup, I don't B think this would work in my case, since all the nodes are behind aF router which forwards requests to the cluster alias.  Since I am doingE multihosting, I have to specify some IP addresses ON WHICH THE SERVER ; CAN ACTUALLY LISTEN (even though I'm just doing CNAME-based H multihosting; not sure why I have to specify IP addresses in this case).E These can only be the localhost address and the cluster-impersonator   address.   ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:27:05 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  Subject: new TCPIP patch for 5.3$ Message-ID: <c03759$30j$1@online.de>  F Why is the new patch for TCPIP 5.3 in the VMS 7.3 area for VAX but in $ the layered-products area for ALPHA?  B Has anyone installed this yet?  Any gotchas (the release notes are huge)?     ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:11:15 GMT ! From: Andy V <nobody@nowhere.net> : Subject: Re: OpenGL Drawing, Motif on PseudoColor, ZLXp-E16 Message-ID: <7T9Vb.162$FF5.42219@petpeeve.ziplink.net>   Stuart Norris wrote:
 > Hi Andy, > D > Thanks for the response. I see that you were the author of gl_ivp. > T > I sort of understand what you mean.I tried it but I get errors about my color map.   What errors?   > > > Do you have any motif / opengl / C-I example you can e-mail.  = Sorry, but that was in a galaxy far away and a long time ago.    -- Andy V   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat,  7 Feb 2004 19:22:51 +0100 (CET) ) From: George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> M Subject: Re: SHOCKING:  Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying  (BBC ; Message-ID: <1df8a5d930f57ef77482897d85aef663@mixmaster.it>   % JF Mezei <nobody@nobody.com> trolled:    >Oelewapper wrote:L >> The shit goes on,... as Tony Blair and his defence secretary keep sinkingO >> deeper away in it, and as their relentless lies are being constantly exposed  >> and inquired upon.  > N >I am not so sure. Look at Bush Jr. I strongly suspect that this was planned aN >long time ago by his political specialists: once the debate and evidence thatO >Bush lied starts to surface, Bush starts some "independant" inquiry which will L >have a mandate to clear everything up, a year from now. Between now and theM >election, Bush Jr will simply deflect any criticism, telling critics to wait N >until the report is out. Yep, people who dislike Bush Jr will see through it,O >but they wouldn't be voting for him anyways. Bush will preserve the voters who L >still believe he did the right thing by illegally invading Iraq and killing >thousands of innocent Iraqis. > L >Remember that the crime was pushed by the Cheney-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis ofN >evil. It will be fairly easy for Bush Jr to get some sort of absolution sinceN >like Reagan for Iran-Contra, he be able to claim that he really didn't know.  > F >And this this was an axil of evil plan, one has to wonder what CheneyN >Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld did to plan their one protection/escape since this was >their onw pet project.  > O >In the UK, I strongly suspect that Bliar also has a plan in place to delay and  >deflect any criticism.  > O >It is very easy to set things up so that Bliar has total deniability. "Give me I >only the short story on all the evidence since I don't have time to read O >through all the justification." So he's told about the 45 minute thing without ' >any warning that this info is useless.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2004 02:02:07 -0800 7 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) % Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? = Message-ID: <8a646952.0402070202.10459afa@posting.google.com>    Dear William J. Bochnik:  E You are correct that I should have added more details. The cpu queues = and other performance parameters should have been added and I E apologize for not providing a full thesis. The idea that I was trying B to convey was that a production VAX that was being max out (not byB 1000%) and was replaced by a very powerful Alpha that by its specsE should have blow away the VAX and it didn't. It only decrease the cpu  consumption by one-third.   < By the way, you can have a cpu queue with less than 100% cpuE consumption. A standard job run-time may not be a good metric because B the application isn't tune. At the same site on a different VAX, IE decrease the run-time of a process by two hours. Later I was told the $ VAX didn't have performance problem.  
 Go figure?   Regards, Daryl Jones    "Bochnik, William J" <William Bochnik@acml.com> wrote in message news:<2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D502D06F88@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>...M > plus if the cpu was at 100% who's to say it wasnt really at 1000%, and then M >  dropped to 66%?  What was the cpu queue?  How long did it take to do your  ! > standard jobs before and after?  >  > This is misleading.  >  > -----Original Message-----1 > From: nospam [mailto:x@wedontwantyourspam.com]  ) > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 1:34 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' > Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?  >  > M > in article 8a646952.0402052103.6555591e@posting.google.com, Daryl Jones at  @ > jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net wrote on 06/02/2004 16:03: >  > > Dear Richard B. Gilbert: > > G > > In 1999, I experience at a client site the moving a large ACMS-Rdb  G > > application from a max out VAX 78xx system to a Alpha 8400 where I  G > > only saw saw drop of cpu utilization go from 100% to 66%. I thought M > Oh god how sad. CPU utilization cant be used like that. CPU's are always 10 M > 0% till they halt or power down. %utilization relates to the OS being in th % > e idle loop.  Your deluded sorry ;)  >     F > > this was strange since the Interger test comparison was 1800 to 1 J > > faster for the Alpha. Therefore, I find your statement that the Alpha C > > blows off the doors of the VAX processor not true at that time.  >  >  > + > ----------------------------------------- M > The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and c M > onfidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s) n M > amed above. 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Please note that we do not accept account orders and/or instructio M > ns by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying out such o  > rders and/or instructions.M > If you, as an intended recipient of this commercial e-mail or advertisement M > , would not like to receive further e-mail correspondence from the sender,  6 > please "reply" to the sender indicating your wishes.> > In the U.S.: 1345 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 10105   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2004 02:10:38 -0800 7 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) % Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? = Message-ID: <8a646952.0402070210.1e5583f3@posting.google.com>   	 Dear Sir:   F On the earlier VAXes, the null mode process was use to keep the systemC busy during idle times. On the later VAXes and Alphas the null mode E process was removed. Therefore, a later VAX and Alpha processor could F have 0-2% utilization when it is idle and 100% when it was being used.   Regards, Daryl Jones   d nospam <x@wedontwantyourspam.com> wrote in message news:<BC498094.1F237%x@wedontwantyourspam.com>...L > in article 8a646952.0402052103.6555591e@posting.google.com, Daryl Jones at@ > jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net wrote on 06/02/2004 16:03: >  > > Dear Richard B. Gilbert: > > F > > In 1999, I experience at a client site the moving a large ACMS-RdbF > > application from a max out VAX 78xx system to a Alpha 8400 where IG > > only saw saw drop of cpu utilization go from 100% to 66%. I thought   J > Oh god how sad. CPU utilization cant be used like that. CPU's are alwaysL > 100% till they halt or power down. %utilization relates to the OS being in' > the idle loop.  Your deluded sorry ;)  >     E > > this was strange since the Interger test comparison was 1800 to 1 I > > faster for the Alpha. Therefore, I find your statement that the Alpha C > > blows off the doors of the VAX processor not true at that time.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 07:24:34 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>% Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? ) Message-ID: <4024D8CB.9A3FC8CC@istop.com>    Daryl Jones wrote:H > On the earlier VAXes, the null mode process was use to keep the systemE > busy during idle times. On the later VAXes and Alphas the null mode  > process was removed.    N I thought that the null process was just hidden away from SHOW SYSTEM but that? it was still there ar priority 0, eating up any unused cycles ?   % Didn't it disapear with 5.0 of VMS ?    N That process was a neat way to see how busy a system was over a certain periodK (find out how much cpu was consumed in minutes versus total minutes elapsed ? and you had your average CPU utilisation rate for that period).    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2004 10:04:12 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) % Subject: RE: Why was VAX abandonned ? 3 Message-ID: <0C8fEECP8Gh4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEEJHCMAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:  > K > Orthogonal is a term that has not been used for some time in reference to I > instructions sets, the meaning was that the components that make up the N > instruction were independent of one another.  The term probably derived fromE > the analogy of these components to the basis set of a vector space.   G    I don't see how one can consider TSTL to be independent of MOVL on a G    VAX since they both set the condition codes based on a 32 bit value.   %    To me, that's just not orthogonal.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 17:29:20 +0100 2 From: Wilm Boerhout <w.boerhoutOLD@PAINTplanet.nl>% Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? * Message-ID: <c033uh$o6h$1@reader10.wxs.nl>  H ..."better documented than 99,99% of all code written" is more accurate.  G ...but documenting doesn't prevent an incomplete leap year calculation  3 that would have to be corrected by the Y2K teams...    Tom Linden wrote:    > 6 > You don't see well documented code like this anymore) > http://www.multicians.org/calendar.html      --  
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