0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 08 Feb 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 76      Contents:0 Re: Canadian Troll infestation in rec.travel.air# Re: DADDY LET ME LICK YOUR LOLLIPOP ' J F on boy's erections and masturbation  J F on brainwashed Americans  Re: J F on brainwashed Americans Re: new TCPIP patch for 5.3 F Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene gestuD OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene gestureH Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene gestureP Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene gesture gesture Re: Shannon on Itanium Re: Shannon on Itanium Re: Shannon on Itanium Re: Shannon on Itanium5 Re: SHOCKING:  J F under fire for lying  (BBC  Radio)  Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?& Re: ~Latest known J F trolling aliases  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:15:47 GMT ( From: "Ian Phillips" <cactusjoe@shaw.ca>9 Subject: Re: Canadian Troll infestation in rec.travel.air . Message-ID: <TcfVb.417135$JQ1.177255@pd7tw1no>  9   Or perhaps poor USA so close to God's country - Canada!      Ian   B   "Mike O'sullivan" <mike.osullivan3@nowhere.com> wrote in message, news:bvgunr$2ar$1@hercules.btinternet.com...   > 4   > "edo" <nobody@cryptorebels.net> wrote in message=   > news:ace8b8aaabac68b63bd3c695e5da05b6@cryptorebels.net...    > > I   > > It's envy, mostly.  Having to live so close to the US that they can    > practically I   > > smell the abundance and success yet not being able to enjoy it.  It  just	   > kills    > > them.    > B   > "Poor Canada, so far from God, so close to the United States"!   >    >    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun,  8 Feb 2004 06:14:45 +0100 (CET) ) From: George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> , Subject: Re: DADDY LET ME LICK YOUR LOLLIPOP; Message-ID: <9ff5d986a971ccd3bcab8bc26a770165@mixmaster.it>   / >Pull out that lollipop of yours daddy.  I love + >sucking on it.  It tastes so good.  Let me / >lick it just right with my little pink tongue. * >Ooooh...look how hard it's getting daddy.2 >Let me lick the balls underneath your pole daddy./ >I'm going to get to the creamy filling of your 1 >lollipop in no time daddy....right in my mouth.  / >Then you can stick your rock hard lollipop in   >my tight wet little box.   B Looks like J F is playing with the neighbor's daughter again . . .   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat,  7 Feb 2004 22:08:31 +0100 (CET) ) From: George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> 0 Subject: J F on boy's erections and masturbation; Message-ID: <744fd888d9bb3ebd6039336e6aed8a2f@mixmaster.it>   @ JF Mezei <nobody@nobody.org> trolls about his favorite subjects:   >BTR1701 wrote: D >> How does seeing a part of the human body make a child delinquent? > N >If it gives the little boy an erection, the little kid is then more likely toL >learn about masturbation before age 18, and in the USA, masturbating before1 >that age is not considered acceptable as per the / >bible-belt/moral-majority/family-values thing.  > M >So, parents all over the United States should sue CBS/Timberlake/Jackson for 5 >having prematurely awakened their son's sexual life.  > L >And there is a financial cost to this too. The earlier your son is sexuallyO >awakened, the earlier he might get a girlfriend pregnant which would force the N >parents to wed the boy with that teenage girl to conserve the appearance of a4 >proper family with no children born out of wedlock. > N >And if parents are forced to prematurely cash in their savings to pay for theO >wedding, it messes with their financial planning which had predicted a wedding L >much later. So there is a financial cost to parents. And if the cost of theJ >teenage wedding takes away the money that would have gone towards collegeG >tuition, then the son may end up a waiter instead of a doctor, costing G >millions in revenus over the child's lifetime. One more reason to sue.  > J >And since Superbowl is seen by millions of children, when you repeat thisL >story a million times, it will seriously affect the USA economy since thereL >will be million fewer highly educated males which will cost the USA much inL >terms of innovation and industrial leadership since all males who have seenJ >Jackson's tit will end up bums and waiters with teenage wives and babies. > M >Therefore, the Bush regime should also sue Jackson/Timberlake for having set O >in motion something which will seriously damage the USA economy in the future.  > L >The one positive aspect of this is that it will help with birth rates sinceO >you'll have plenty of teenagers having babies before they learn about condoms, C >which will result in a higher number of average babies per family.  > J >In conclusion, it is clear that this small tit exposure will cost the USAL >massive damage to the current and next generation americans whose life will >have changed due to this. > K >(outside the USA, this will have no effect since seing a tit is considered * >good to to a son's development/education)   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat,  7 Feb 2004 22:38:35 +0100 (CET) ) From: George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> % Subject: J F on brainwashed Americans ; Message-ID: <066899c048e93237304ef3259ff610a9@mixmaster.it>   % JF Mezei <nobody@nobody.int> trolled:    >mondaymorning wrote: K >> As I remember, Everyone thought there were WMD's.  If anyone lied it was 	 >> Sadam.  > L >Remember why the USA started to isult its allies ? Why do you think "frenchK >fries" were outlawed in the states, replaced with "freedom fries" ? It was N >because France didn't believe the USA so called evidence. Neither did Canada,= >Mexico, Russia, China, Germany, New Zealand etc etc etc etc.  > O >The only country where there was support from citizens is the USA. None of the N >other countries that send troups in the illegal invasion had popuylar support  >for their government's actions. > M >Spain's government may be the first to fall. Bliar almost lost a vote of non  >confidence last week. > O >The illusion that there was widespread belief that Iraq still had WMDs is just I >an illusion crafted by the Bush regime along with its loyal puppy Bliar. % >Unfortunatly, americans believed it.  > E >Had there been widespread belief that Iraq was still filled with the M >stockpiles of WMDs, ready to fire withn 45 minutes notice or have a mushroom N >cloud from a nuclear, then there wouldn't have been massive opposition at theM >UN for the USA requests to grant it a second resolution which gave the right  >to invade.  >  > N >You can believe all you want inside the USA. We understand, when brainwashed,N >a population really can't see the truth. But please do not think for a minute? >that outside the USA, everyone believed those stories of WMDs.  > G >It may be news to american citizens that they've been lied to by their J >government, but outside the USA, we've seen and known this all along. And; >there is plenty of record abnout this, even in this group.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:11:00 +0000 1 From: SteveL <stevelon@deletethisbitntlworld.com> ) Subject: Re: J F on brainwashed Americans 1 Message-ID: <IpWdnbDUoJrs_7jdRVn-vw@giganews.com>   7 On Sat,  7 Feb 2004 22:38:35 +0100 (CET), George Orwell  <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote:  & >JF Mezei <nobody@nobody.int> trolled: >  >>mondaymorning wrote:L >>> As I remember, Everyone thought there were WMD's.  If anyone lied it was
 >>> Sadam. >>M >>Remember why the USA started to isult its allies ? Why do you think "french L >>fries" were outlawed in the states, replaced with "freedom fries" ? It wasO >>because France didn't believe the USA so called evidence. Neither did Canada, > >>Mexico, Russia, China, Germany, New Zealand etc etc etc etc. >>P >>The only country where there was support from citizens is the USA. None of theO >>other countries that send troups in the illegal invasion had popuylar support ! >>for their government's actions.  >>N >>Spain's government may be the first to fall. Bliar almost lost a vote of non >>confidence last week.  >>P >>The illusion that there was widespread belief that Iraq still had WMDs is justJ >>an illusion crafted by the Bush regime along with its loyal puppy Bliar.& >>Unfortunatly, americans believed it. >>F >>Had there been widespread belief that Iraq was still filled with theN >>stockpiles of WMDs, ready to fire withn 45 minutes notice or have a mushroomO >>cloud from a nuclear, then there wouldn't have been massive opposition at the N >>UN for the USA requests to grant it a second resolution which gave the right >>to invade. >> >>O >>You can believe all you want inside the USA. We understand, when brainwashed, O >>a population really can't see the truth. But please do not think for a minute @ >>that outside the USA, everyone believed those stories of WMDs. >>H >>It may be news to american citizens that they've been lied to by theirK >>government, but outside the USA, we've seen and known this all along. And < >>there is plenty of record abnout this, even in this group. >   D What's your problem with him? Apart from wrongly stating that FrenchC Fries were "outlawed", he's pretty much on the money about the myth ) that "everybody thought there were WMDs".   < I sure didn't. My British friends didn't. Most of my British colleagues didn't.    C My AMERICAN friends and colleagues, well that's a different matter.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:35:59 -0600- From: "Shael Richmond" <ksrich@bellsouth.net> $ Subject: Re: new TCPIP patch for 5.3: Message-ID: <GYiVb.14675$Rl4.11879@bignews5.bellsouth.net>  L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>/ wrote in message news:c03759$30j$1@online.de... G > Why is the new patch for TCPIP 5.3 in the VMS 7.3 area for VAX but in & > the layered-products area for ALPHA? > D > Has anyone installed this yet?  Any gotchas (the release notes are > huge)?  G I installed it Friday and SMTP has a problem.  It gets a ACCVIO and the  queues> never start.  I've opened a ticket but haven't heard anything.   Shael    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat,  7 Feb 2004 22:38:35 +0100 (CET) ) From: George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> O Subject: Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene gestu ; Message-ID: <37b2ac600cb5210e383fe4eb62616340@mixmaster.it>   / fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote:   @ >What is happening with the americans ? I allways had admiration >for the American minds...      Oh look, it's a Brazilian Mezei!  H Do you like to talk about little boy's erections, little girls' pussies,L masturbation, circumcision, and measuring men's foreskins in the locker room too???   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2004 11:41:43 -0800 . From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)M Subject: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene gesture = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0402071141.50370950@posting.google.com>   ? What is happening with the americans ? I allways had admiration  for the American minds...   @ http://www.estadao.com.br/ext/man/070204ameri.jpg  <-- The photo  P http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/02/06/brazil.fingerprinting.ap/index.html  E SAO PAULO, Brazil (AP) -- In the second incident of its kind in three F weeks, an American was arrested Friday after making an obscene gestureD while being fingerprinted and photographed at a Brazilian airport as1 part of the entry requirements for U.S. citizens.   F Douglas A. Skolnick, a retired bank worker from New Jersey, raised hisB middle finger while going through the new entry requirement at theB international airport in Foz de Iguacu, a southeastern resort townF famous for its massive waterfalls, said Marcos Koren, a federal police
 spokesman.   (...)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:04:56 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>Q Subject: Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene gesture 6 Message-ID: <40258B38.FE4310C8@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > A > What is happening with the americans ? I allways had admiration  > for the American minds...   A Say, "freedom of expression". Some Americans just assume, perhaps H incorrectly, that their homeland rights extend to the rest of the world.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:12:39 GMT & From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com>Y Subject: Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene gesture gesture = Message-ID: <bxcVb.22450$7x.10153@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>    Hi FabioI As an American, I am sad to see such juvenile behavior of my countrymen,  G but remember there are nearly 300,000,000 of us and so far only 2 have  G behaved thus. As for me, I am anxious to vist Brazil and will be happy  & to follow your rules when I get there.   Don    Fabio Cardoso wrote:  A > What is happening with the americans ? I allways had admiration  > for the American minds...  > B > http://www.estadao.com.br/ext/man/070204ameri.jpg  <-- The photo > R > http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/02/06/brazil.fingerprinting.ap/index.html > G > SAO PAULO, Brazil (AP) -- In the second incident of its kind in three H > weeks, an American was arrested Friday after making an obscene gestureF > while being fingerprinted and photographed at a Brazilian airport as3 > part of the entry requirements for U.S. citizens.  > H > Douglas A. Skolnick, a retired bank worker from New Jersey, raised hisD > middle finger while going through the new entry requirement at theD > international airport in Foz de Iguacu, a southeastern resort townH > famous for its massive waterfalls, said Marcos Koren, a federal police > spokesman. >  > (...)      --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:58:24 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: Shannon on Itanium 6 Message-ID: <402589B0.46CED55D@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Rob Young wrote: > " >         Stir the pot?  Probably. > D >         But it does apply to VMS as VMS's platform futures revolve >         around Itanium.  > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14016  > Q > That means, he says, that the adoption of Opterons wouldn't represent any crack P > in the HP-Intel Itanium coalition. Some Usenet pundits, he says say this couldP > be reprise of the decline and fall of Alpha architectures, and HP will scuttle > its Itanium project. > Q > That, he adds, is codswallop, because HP is showing no sign that it will change P > its 64-bit enterprise strategy. That would be a serious business blunder, with= > six generations of new or enhanced Itanics in the pipeline.  >  > ---  > H >         Angle here of course is 6 Itaniums under development.  That isJ >         a large commitment no matter how you splice it  (yes, there wereC >         Alpha projects underway - but nothing of that magnitude).   E No, nothing of that magnitude - just customers AROUND THE WORLD being C told to "bet the business on Alpha" just days before The Alphacide.    Nothing big...  H Whooda Hell's you guys' propaganda minister, anyway? ...and how long did4 he/she work for the KGB before coming to OpenVMS/hp?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:59:38 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: Shannon on Itanium 6 Message-ID: <402589FA.C2E2A0FF@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Tom Linden wrote:  > H > Perhaps VMS engineering has the perspicacity to secretly be working on > a port to the AMD chip:-)   ? That wouldn't be "perspicacity", that would be business acumen.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 19:07:23 -0800* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> Subject: Re: Shannon on Itanium 2 Message-ID: <yLSdne_DdJN2Orjd4p2dnA@mpowercom.net>  K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 0 news:402589B0.46CED55D@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net...G > No, nothing of that magnitude - just customers AROUND THE WORLD being E > told to "bet the business on Alpha" just days before The Alphacide.  > J > Whooda Hell's you guys' propaganda minister, anyway? ...and how long did6 > he/she work for the KGB before coming to OpenVMS/hp? > H I understand the former Iraqi information minister is looking for a job,F perhaps he could be the outsourced marketing director for HP's ItaniumK servers.  On the other hand, the job might not last as long as his previous 
 engagement...     Jack Peacock    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:46:28 -0500 * From: Jf Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Shannon on Itanium ) Message-ID: <4025B100.450471FC@istop.com>    Jack Peacock wrote: J > I understand the former Iraqi information minister is looking for a job,H > perhaps he could be the outsourced marketing director for HP's Itanium
 > servers.    K "I tell you, VMS is doing very well, and there is no truth whatsover to the L claims that Windows and Unix have captured a large number of VMS customers."  I "I tell you, VMS is very cheap, very competitive and we are doing all the 5 marketing that we are legally allowed to do for VMS".   8 "I tell you, VMS has over 400,000 customer and growing".    I "The rumours that VMS is being confined to a very small proportion of the N market are totally false. VMS is allowed to be sold to any custoemr, large andI small, from any industry, there is no law against selling VMS outside its  niche markets".       M Seems to me that the Iraqi information minister would be a perfect fit inside U the current HP organisation. He might even succeed in giving a few folks some smiles.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat,  7 Feb 2004 21:38:29 +0100 (CET) ) From: George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> > Subject: Re: SHOCKING:  J F under fire for lying  (BBC  Radio); Message-ID: <faf3351a7acb38c21fb0751d0c4d69ea@mixmaster.it>   & J F Mezei <nobody@nobody.net> trolled:   >Oelewapper wrote:J >> Britain's Defence Minister under fire for lying on Iraq - on BBC radio:8 >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/audio/geoffhoon.ram* >> Sensational.  Incredible stuff...  !!!! > N >Well, there is nothing that is terribly new in that 20 minute broadcast. Just >confirms suspicions that = >	1- the intelligence knew there was no international threath 8 >	2- ministers and Bliar made sure they had deniability. > N >I think was was more telling was teh former speaker (his name espaces me) whoO >admitted in parliament yesterday that he knew about it and had personally told $ >Bliar prior to resigning his post.  > O >Mr Bliar may claim his aides didn't tell him. But he can't deny that he wasn't N >told by others, he can't deny he wasn't told by other world leaders, he can'tK >deny that he wasn't told by Blix and El Baradei that none of the so called ) >intelligence they were given panned out.  > 9 >And all this happened before the illegal invasion began.  > O >Both Bliar and Bush deserve to be tried for war crimes. Their invasion of Iraq O >was just as legal as Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, or Argentina's invasion of the M >Falklands. And you should include the leaders of spain and australia in that O >war crime tribunal. They are personally responsible for more deaths than those M >who perished on 9-11, especially outside the USA since these leaders did not * >have any popular support for their crime.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 23:10:48 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> % Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? 8 Message-ID: <tora20d9ke1pvbsheqqsgmmj90fmd7ebio@4ax.com>  J On 7 Feb 2004 10:04:12 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:   ` >In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEEJHCMAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: >>  L >> Orthogonal is a term that has not been used for some time in reference toJ >> instructions sets, the meaning was that the components that make up theO >> instruction were independent of one another.  The term probably derived from F >> the analogy of these components to the basis set of a vector space. > H >   I don't see how one can consider TSTL to be independent of MOVL on aH >   VAX since they both set the condition codes based on a 32 bit value. > & >   To me, that's just not orthogonal.  B That's a traditional definition of orthogonality.  When applied toB instruction sets, I think the focus is more on the operands of theL instructions.  Can any instruction operate on data referenced in a manner ofL the compiler's choosing ?  For Vax-11, the answer is pretty much yes.  There9 are some quirks like the string and polynomial functions.    --  ; We are born naked, wet and hungry.  Then things get worse.     Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 02:44:12 GMT 0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>% Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? + Message-ID: <0ohVb.852$032.16502@attbi_s53>    Daryl Jones wrote:    H > On the earlier VAXes, the null mode process was use to keep the systemE > busy during idle times. On the later VAXes and Alphas the null mode G > process was removed. Therefore, a later VAX and Alpha processor could H > have 0-2% utilization when it is idle and 100% when it was being used.  C Do VAX and Alpha have a way to stop the CPU, like the WAIT state on  IBM S/360, S/370, etc.?    -- glen    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2004 19:58:24 -0800 7 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) % Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? = Message-ID: <8a646952.0402071958.37239dd0@posting.google.com>   [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<4024D8CB.9A3FC8CC@istop.com>...  > Daryl Jones wrote:J > > On the earlier VAXes, the null mode process was use to keep the systemG > > busy during idle times. On the later VAXes and Alphas the null mode  > > process was removed.   > P > I thought that the null process was just hidden away from SHOW SYSTEM but thatA > it was still there ar priority 0, eating up any unused cycles ?  > ' > Didn't it disapear with 5.0 of VMS ?   > P > That process was a neat way to see how busy a system was over a certain periodM > (find out how much cpu was consumed in minutes versus total minutes elapsed A > and you had your average CPU utilisation rate for that period).    Dear JF Mezei:  D Yes the null process was deleted as of VMS 5.0, according to VAX/VMS> Internals and Data Structure, Version 5.2, Ruth E. Goldenberg,! Lawrence J. Kenah, 1991, page 20.    Regards, Daryl Jones    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 04:46:11 GMT ' From: nospam <x@wedontwantyourspam.com> % Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? 5 Message-ID: <BC4C0A38.1F2E2%x@wedontwantyourspam.com>   F When I started out with VAX orthogonal at least to me, was a referenceC partly to the mnemonic names used ie MOV to which you add 1 char to ; reference the size ie B W L  Byte Word Long  or the ZBL ZWL L  Zero Byte to Long Zero Word to Long (compare that to Intel 8080 or Motorola 68k mnemonics)J   But more importantly to the usage of addressing modes and operands. (itsJ been a while since I programmed in VAX) There are no restrictions or rulesJ that I can remember about what registers and address mode combination thatH you can use. When you look at a lot of other CPU's there heaps rules andD restrictions. And these no divisions in the register set, any of the, registers can be float, data,address, index.L     This all adds up to a brilliant machine to program but sucks big time toL make it go faster. RISC was about reducing memory references and getting ridK of instructions like MOVTC, EDITPC, MOVC5 etc. So most people perceive that L RISC just means reduced number of instructions and complexity, really that'sI what initial happened as a result of getting an instruction set processor C that can load/exe consistent opcode streams with out lots of memory L references (esp conditional ones) getting in the way of pipe lining. CurrentK RISC chips have quite complex instruction and a fare few of them.  There is I now doubt that today we can make a faster VAX, but there is also no doubt H that all things being equal we can make a faster non-VAX CPU. The memoryL foot print of a VAX kills it every time. An instruction with 5 operands likeK @(r1)[r11], @mydata(r2) etc, cant remember what the longest instruction was K it ends up over 30bytes from memory, you can see what this does to the load L and decode part of the CPU. And then the very lovely CALLG and CALLS compareD these too and alpha or even CISC chips 68k and PDP-11 using a return) register instead of stack for fast calls. L     The VAX is nice to programmers (but who uses macro these days) but sucksI in silicon. The VAX when alpha came along was just about at the limits of J what they could do to make it faster and the company weak from competitionG and the losses from VAX-9000. It was very much the right decision to go J Alpha and get VMS there ASAP, they didn't dump VAX like PDP-10 or recentlyF ALPHA it was a very soft landing by comparison. Unfortunately the good  decisions stop soon after this;(         Mark ;)   @ in article 0C8fEECP8Gh4@eisner.encompasserve.org, Bob Koehler atB koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org wrote on 08/02/2004 03:04:  H > In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEEJHCMAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" > <tom@kednos.com> writes: >>  L >> Orthogonal is a term that has not been used for some time in reference toJ >> instructions sets, the meaning was that the components that make up theO >> instruction were independent of one another.  The term probably derived from F >> the analogy of these components to the basis set of a vector space. > G >  I don't see how one can consider TSTL to be independent of MOVL on a G >  VAX since they both set the condition codes based on a 32 bit value.  > % >  To me, that's just not orthogonal.  >    ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 06:01:52 +0000 (UTC)% From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase) % Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? ( Message-ID: <c04jcg$8mo$1@pcls4.std.com>  , In article <40208A9A.6090403@tsoft-inc.com>,* David Froble  <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:   > Really oversimplified: > H > Today's CPUs use various techniques to allow pipelining, out of order,A > branch prediction, and such.  The VAX was designed before these < > practices were developed, and the architechure wasn't very > compatable.     C Well, the x86 family doesn't seems to have managed despite its CISC C nature.  The VAX has a few more instructions, but I think it's more ; cleanly designed and likely would've been easier to extend.   ; > A MOVC5 is a nice instruction, and does considerable work D > for a single assembler instruction.  That same MOVC5 would destroy7 > everything a modern processor design is trying to do.  > D > The last N-VAX CPUs used various tricks to break down the complex @ > VAX instructions to allow simpler instructions which were moreC > compatable with newer techniques.  They worked quite well, but in D > general wouldn't compare to the performance of Alpha.  I'm talking/ > about Alphas produced in the same timeframe.    G I'd agree that Alpha had a much better design and was probably close to B being "the right thing to do" given the state of technology in theH late 1980s and early 1990s.  However, had the VAX line stuck around longJ enough, I think the technology of the 2000s would've allowed for some veryI impressively performing CPUs, at least as fast as their x86 counterparts.    -brian.  --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----+ Font-o-Meter!      Proportional  Monospaced '                                       ^    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 06:15:17 GMT ' From: nospam <x@wedontwantyourspam.com> % Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? 5 Message-ID: <BC4C1F1A.1F2EF%x@wedontwantyourspam.com>   G in article c04jcg$8mo$1@pcls4.std.com, Brian Chase at bdc@world.std.com  wrote on 08/02/2004 17:01:  . > In article <40208A9A.6090403@tsoft-inc.com>,, > David Froble  <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: >  >> Really oversimplified:  >>  ; >> Today's CPUs use various techniques to allow pipelining, ; They a number of examples of pipelining dating back to 1982    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 11:33:53 -0800M From: "Fucktard \"Virus\" Campbell , \"Got Fingered\"" <travisc@powergate.ca> / Subject: Re: ~Latest known J F trolling aliases : Message-ID: <c03ej0$12r8l8$1@ID-217638.news.uni-berlin.de>    _   FUCK YOU   _ 4                        |_|                       |_|2                        | |        /^^^\        | |2                       _| |_    (| "o" |)     _| |_5                     _| | | | _   (_---_)   _ | | | |_ 8                    | | | | |' |    _| |_    | `| | | | |8                    |          |   /     \   |          |7                     \        /  / /(. .)\ \  \        / 5                       \    /  / /  | . |  \ \  \    / 3                         \  \/ /    ||Y||    \ \/  / 2                          \__/      || ||      \__/(                                    () ()(                                    || ||)                                   ooO Ooo    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.076 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  omes through
>> >best of luck :o)  ~J
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Genie" <geniedolly@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >news:3e3c52b3.718546635@news-server.cfl.rr.com...
>> >> So since my life has taken an interesting turn the past week. (Not
>> >> only is my very expensive stats program stolen but card numbers and
>> >> misc other things) Now I have to fight ticketmaster for tickets to
>> >> D&T. (card number stolen cancled card you get the picture)
>> >>
>> >> SO, anyone have an suggestions for ticketmaster? I don't care if I'm
>> >> in the front row (I'd like it) I just want a ticket.
>> >>
>> >> What has been others experiences with websight? Should I just go to NC
>> >> and beg outside the venue? Lol
>> >>
>> >> Genie
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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Craig I do I do (holding up hand) lol



On Sun, 02 Feb 2003 19:33:05 -0500, Craig
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>Nobody has a copy of Photoshop on their PC, right?
