0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 09 Feb 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 79      Contents:: Re: APL (was Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL) Re: Carly - Mars bound?  Re: Carly - Mars bound?  Re: Carly - Mars bound? ' chicken and egg: shadowing and licenses + Re: chicken and egg: shadowing and licenses + Re: chicken and egg: shadowing and licenses ; Comparing Clusters TCO Whitepaper: OpenVMS, Solaris and AIX  Feb Condist..., Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL, Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL4 HP/Intel Itanium is dead, long life to HP/AMD Athlon) Idle loop [was: Why was VAX abandonned ?] * Re: Mail /PERS cannot start with a number?- Re: need to get cluster impersonator from DCL - Re: need to get cluster impersonator from DCL  Re: Newbie looking for help  Re: Newbie looking for help 1 Re: OpenGL Drawing, Motif on PseudoColor, ZLXp-E1 @ Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene@ Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obsceneP Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene	gesture	gestureH Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene gestureH Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene gestureP Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene gesture gesture Other CVS on VMS problems  Re: Other CVS on VMS problems 4 Ross (Gembase)  to Move Atlanta Design Jobs to China8 Re: Ross (Gembase)  to Move Atlanta Design Jobs to China Re: Rumours of (CPU) Wars  Re: Rumours of (CPU) Wars  spammer terrorism  RE: spammer terrorism  Re: RE: spammer terrorism  Re: spammer terrorism  Re: stupid smtp/mapi question  Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? RE: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? RE: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: [MOZILLA] What's current ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 14:02:47 +0000  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> C Subject: Re: APL (was Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL) 4 Message-ID: <c083u8$quc$1$830fa795@news.demon.co.uk>   William Webb wrote:  [...snip...] > L >>Using APL was great - some investment banker would dream up a new securityN >>and often I'd have less than a day's notice of some quirky new feature whichK >>I'd have to program, test, and go live. Couldn't have done it in anything 
 >>but APL. >  > ( > First language I ever programmed in.  9 > Most un-self-documenting language I ever programmed in.  > E > I was in high school, and we used a 300 baud modem to timeshare the F > school system's IBM 360 with a terminal that looked like someone hadE > taken  an IBM Selectric II, sliced it in half latitudinally and set - > the top half down on a white Parsons table.  > E > I recall that you could do in 5 lines of APL what it would take you D > 500 lines of COBOL to do-- but if you didn't comment your code youG > could go back and look at something you'd written three months before G > and have no clue as to what you were doing unless you parsed it, line ! > by line and element by element.   0 Oh, don't forget to parse from right-to-left :-)  < I was part of an effort (late 1970's) to develop our own APL= interpreter running under IBM's MVS (ca. 500,000 lines of IBM ? Assembler), on top of which we developed a highly sophisticated D and very extendible database system using persistent tree-structured/ variables, indexable by strings and/or numbers.   A The APL we developed was called ZAPL (for Zentralarchiv APL), and > was done at the University of Cologne, Germany.  It's probably still in use today !  > And as for the 5 lines APL to 500 lines of Cobol, you couldn't: have been trying very hard.  More like 1.66 lines to 500 !   Good ol' days,  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 07:50:00 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  Subject: Re: Carly - Mars bound?) Message-ID: <402781F7.D55A0D16@istop.com>    John Smith wrote: + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13918 L > HP's significant contribution will be PC's, made in a contract facility in6 > China, utilizing a chip architecture owned by Intel,  M No, Carly will first make sure that the franchise for the hairdresser will be N given (without bidding, of course) to her favourite hairdresser on earth. NoteF that in low gravity environment, it is much harder to have the perfect hairstyle Carly expects.  J This, of course, devalues the Mars mission that people like Carly would beN called to such a committee. You don't need a high flying CEO who will tell youG wnat you want to hear. You want some geeks who will tell you the truth.   L And it is probably the CEO of Agilent (what used to be HP) who would be more( qualified than some wintel manufacturer.  N BTW, does HP make laptops ? I see Dell, IBM and even Gateway advertised, but I< don't recall seeing HP laptops.  In space, they use laptops.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2004 08:13:53 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)   Subject: Re: Carly - Mars bound?3 Message-ID: <7rdZKq1ATQVg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <402781F7.D55A0D16@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > P > BTW, does HP make laptops ? I see Dell, IBM and even Gateway advertised, but I> > don't recall seeing HP laptops.  In space, they use laptops.  F    You can quite easily find laptops if you start at www.hp.com.  Many$    of them are still Compaq branded.  G    And in space they only use laptops for non-critical functions.  Like     rebooting Windows.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:13:23 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>   Subject: Re: Carly - Mars bound?K Message-ID: <75QVb.19797$R6H.18423@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:4 > In article <402781F7.D55A0D16@istop.com>, JF Mezei% > <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  >>? >> BTW, does HP make laptops ? I see Dell, IBM and even Gateway D >> advertised, but I don't recall seeing HP laptops.  In space, they >> use laptops.  > H >    You can quite easily find laptops if you start at www.hp.com.  Many& >    of them are still Compaq branded. > C >    And in space they only use laptops for non-critical functions.  >    Like rebooting Windows.   And as auxilliary heat sources.   J BTW - the latest X1000 Compaq branded laptops are made in China by Compal,8 as I'm sure other models are for HP and other companies.   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:32:33 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)0 Subject: chicken and egg: shadowing and licenses$ Message-ID: <c07k3g$e44$1@online.de>  E I have run into a chicken-and-egg problem on my hobbyist cluster.  I  H didn't notice it before, since a) I didn't have secondary page and swap G files on a shadow set and b) the order of startup of nodes happened to  D be such that the first node to try to mount a shadow set had an old 9 version of the license database with a shadowing license.   C Problem: I have moved all cluster-wide files (SYSUAF.DAT etc) to a  E shadow set with members mounted on various nodes in the cluster.  In  I general, I am happy with this.  However, the problem is that the license  H databasse is on this shadow set.  Thus, the nodes need to mount it as a F shadow set before they have the shadowing license!  How can one solve 
 this problem?   I The disk for secondary page and swap files is mounted in SYSWPAG or what  D ever it's called even earlier in the startup sequence (I think; the H other disk is mounted from SYLOGICALS.COM).  There is a similar problem A here: how can I mount it as a shadow set if I don't yet have the   shadowing license?  G I suppose I could MOUNT/nowrite each member of the shadow set with the  I license database on it, do a license load, dismount it, then mount it as  E a shadow set.  This seems ugly, though.  Also, I would have to do it  @ even before mounting the disk for secondary page and swap files.  I Having a copy of the license database on the system disk sort of defeats  E the purpose of moving it off the system disk to a disk shared by all   members of the cluster.   2 Surely other folks must have this problem as well!  H Interestingly, the cluster eventually comes up OK, but I don't like the G bad messages during the startup!  (I'm also not completely sure why it   eventually comes up OK.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 10:56:45 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> 4 Subject: Re: chicken and egg: shadowing and licenses8 Message-ID: <ukpe20tr0slste9shh7fvi73n63sq7f1vu@4ax.com>  H On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:32:33 +0000 (UTC), helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de1 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:   J >Having a copy of the license database on the system disk sort of defeats F >the purpose of moving it off the system disk to a disk shared by all  >members of the cluster.  I Just have enough licenses in each local database to get started, and then K issue a $ LICE LOAD/DATA=common_database.ldb command at a suitable point in H your startup.  I don't see a particularly strong need for a cluster-wideI database, compared with the likes of sysuaf, rightslist, vmsmail_profile, G job queue database, etc.  Most of the time, you are hardly touching it.    --   The plural of spouse is spice.     Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2004 06:32:16 -0800 % From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) 4 Subject: Re: chicken and egg: shadowing and licenses= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0402090632.484a9b4f@posting.google.com>   A The LICENSE facility is started during the CONFIG phase of system F startup. This is after SYLOGICALS has been executed during the DEVICES phase.  C On my systems, I mount all disks, be it shadow sets or plain disks, B from SYLOGICALS.COM, way before the LICENSE facility is started. ID have the cluster wide LMF$LICENSE.LDB file on a shadowed, non-systemD disk. The cluster wide logical name LMF$LICENSE points to this file.  - And I get no license warnings during startup!   C From your description I do not see what you are doing different. It  must be some detail.  ! I am afraid this isn't much help!    Regards,  	 Bart Zorn   | helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote in message news:<c07k3g$e44$1@online.de>...G > I have run into a chicken-and-egg problem on my hobbyist cluster.  I  J > didn't notice it before, since a) I didn't have secondary page and swap I > files on a shadow set and b) the order of startup of nodes happened to  F > be such that the first node to try to mount a shadow set had an old ; > version of the license database with a shadowing license.  > E > Problem: I have moved all cluster-wide files (SYSUAF.DAT etc) to a  G > shadow set with members mounted on various nodes in the cluster.  In  K > general, I am happy with this.  However, the problem is that the license  J > databasse is on this shadow set.  Thus, the nodes need to mount it as a H > shadow set before they have the shadowing license!  How can one solve  > this problem?  > K > The disk for secondary page and swap files is mounted in SYSWPAG or what  F > ever it's called even earlier in the startup sequence (I think; the J > other disk is mounted from SYLOGICALS.COM).  There is a similar problem C > here: how can I mount it as a shadow set if I don't yet have the   > shadowing license? > I > I suppose I could MOUNT/nowrite each member of the shadow set with the  K > license database on it, do a license load, dismount it, then mount it as  G > a shadow set.  This seems ugly, though.  Also, I would have to do it  B > even before mounting the disk for secondary page and swap files. > K > Having a copy of the license database on the system disk sort of defeats  G > the purpose of moving it off the system disk to a disk shared by all   > members of the cluster.  > 4 > Surely other folks must have this problem as well! > J > Interestingly, the cluster eventually comes up OK, but I don't like the I > bad messages during the startup!  (I'm also not completely sure why it   > eventually comes up OK.)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 17:00:04 GMT 2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>D Subject: Comparing Clusters TCO Whitepaper: OpenVMS, Solaris and AIX< Message-ID: <o0PVb.3354$4I6.614439@twister.southeast.rr.com>  > Total Cost of Ownership for Entry-Level and Mid-Range Clusters by Techwise Research  E A detailed analysis of the total cost of ownership of three different H RISC-based server clusters including HP OpenVMS (Alpha), IBM AIX and Sun Solaris.   Read the whitepaper...9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=04/02/09/4975302      -- Kenneth Farmer  <><  OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.org    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:29:50 -0500" From: "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> Subject: Feb Condist... - Message-ID: <c08cjh$iba@library2.airnews.net>   ; Has anyone seen the Feb Condist for OpenVMS... (7.3-2 kits)    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2004 05:48:23 -0800 . From: al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com (William Webb)5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL = Message-ID: <d5ce4b06.0402090548.693cba94@posting.google.com>   r "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<61WUb.11001$vD8.8277@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>... > John Reagan wrote: > > John Smith wrote: E > >> I lost track of this thread for a long while...why not just pass 0 > >> parameters out to an APL interpreter?   ;-) > >>G > >> Arbitrary precsision, ceil, floor, round, string manipulation, you . > >> name it....all in one terse line of code. > >>         {snip} > J > Excellent!!  It would be a good solution to 'back-end' Guy's thoughts onJ > extending DCL for floating point and other bits, but somehow I doubt youK > could convince management, though it's not like it's any more arcane than  > things like Perl.  >          {snip}         > L > Using APL was great - some investment banker would dream up a new securityN > and often I'd have less than a day's notice of some quirky new feature whichK > I'd have to program, test, and go live. Couldn't have done it in anything 
 > but APL.  & First language I ever programmed in.  7 Most un-self-documenting language I ever programmed in.   C I was in high school, and we used a 300 baud modem to timeshare the D school system's IBM 360 with a terminal that looked like someone hadC taken  an IBM Selectric II, sliced it in half latitudinally and set + the top half down on a white Parsons table.   C I recall that you could do in 5 lines of APL what it would take you B 500 lines of COBOL to do-- but if you didn't comment your code youE could go back and look at something you'd written three months before E and have no clue as to what you were doing unless you parsed it, line  by line and element by element.    WWWebb   ========================! William W. Webb- EMS Operations,   OpenVMS Systems Support % USPS DSSC Annex - 4730 Hargrove Road  ( Raleigh, NC 27616-2874 919.325.7500x4186 * * * -    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2004 10:57:02 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <m$KDiMLBWYuu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <d5ce4b06.0402090548.693cba94@posting.google.com>, al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com (William Webb) writes:  E > I was in high school, and we used a 300 baud modem to timeshare the F > school system's IBM 360 with a terminal that looked like someone hadE > taken  an IBM Selectric II, sliced it in half latitudinally and set - > the top half down on a white Parsons table.    I recall the number 2741.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 04 12:32:06 EST ) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL ! Message-ID: <IUf86n8vXTYF@wvnvms>   c In article <m$KDiMLBWYuu@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: p > In article <d5ce4b06.0402090548.693cba94@posting.google.com>, al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com (William Webb) writes: > F >> I was in high school, and we used a 300 baud modem to timeshare theG >> school system's IBM 360 with a terminal that looked like someone had F >> taken  an IBM Selectric II, sliced it in half latitudinally and set. >> the top half down on a white Parsons table. >  > I recall the number 2741.   B Didn't they run at something like 134.5 baud?  I used them back in? college.  Had to carry my own type ball; probably still have it 
 somewhere.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 19:35:09 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>= Subject: HP/Intel Itanium is dead, long life to HP/AMD Athlon 4 Message-ID: <4027d2e5$0$28923$626a14ce@news.free.fr>  M There is a paper today in 01 Informatique Hebdo, Nr 1 in IT Press in France,  2 focusing on the "secrets HP plans for the future".  O The paper sez that HP may cancel all developments on iA64 and go AMD/Athlon 64.    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 09:18:18 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>2 Subject: Idle loop [was: Why was VAX abandonned ?]. Message-ID: <4027505A.1144.21249E5C@localhost>  ) On 9 Feb 2004 at 7:53, Bob Koehler wrote:  >    (On the@ >    other hand, I had wished I could do this when running underH >    Charon-VAX so that a fairly idle emulated VAX wouldn't be 100% load >    to it's host.)   F Actually, SRI (the CHARON-VAX developers) came out with a kernel-mode F module that does exactly that.  Completely unsupported and only works + with VMS 7.3, use at your own risk, etc....   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 08:41:37 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com3 Subject: Re: Mail /PERS cannot start with a number? Q Message-ID: <OFAEAE194F.80C8CE30-ON85256E35.004AE992-85256E35.004BB641@metso.com>    Thanks Hein.  J ISTM the full syntax listed below should also be included in the help file instead of just A a cryptic warning about not embedding 2 consecutive spaces.  This  information needs J to be more available than just from the collective collected wisdom of the hive.  1987 is> a long way to have to search back for anyone save Mr. Peabody.   -Norm   ? Hein <hein_cov@eps.zk.dec.com> wrote on 02/09/2004 01:27:35 AM:    >  >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > ! > > "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote: ? > > > It would be nice, of course, if the same information were  > duplicated in HELP< > > > MAIL/PERS (and HELP/MESS ILLPERNAM), as you suggest... > > G > > I am curious. What in the VMS mail logic/system would require thata  personalE > > name start with a special/restricted character (as opposed to any  > character) ? > J > In order not to confuse it with the timestamp as parsed by  simpleminded codeD > (like good ol Nmail). It is not a problem in the VMSmail code, but > the potential C > to have mutliple/older/frozen users of the same mail-11 protocol. G > An old RSX, Ultrix or RSTS-11 box perhaps. Admittedly this will be of  littleA > or no concern to most of us, but if you still have one ot those  > running, happilyH > receiving mail, you would not want a 'cute' personal name break it no? > :-). >  > See old note below.... >  > Hein.  >  > N ------------------------------------------------------------------------------  I > Note 264.5                   Illegal personal name?                   5  of 19 J > MU::PORTER "dave porter"                           15 lines  23-MAR-1987 11:59  > N ------------------------------------------------------------------------------   > : G >     The point here is that the stuff in quotes is NOT JUST A PERSONAL 4 >     NAME FIELD.  Its full syntax is something like > @ >         <quote><personal name><space><space><timestamp><quote> > H >     Now, you might argue that that's lousy syntax, but it's the syntaxD >     that various bits and pieces of code around the net adhere to. > H >     So we're left with the problem of trying to make sure that any oldD >     trash inserted in the <personal name> part doesn't confuse any >     software recipient.  > N ------------------------------------------------------------------------------   >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2004 01:49:45 -0600 4 From: cornelius@encompasserve.org (George Cornelius)6 Subject: Re: need to get cluster impersonator from DCL3 Message-ID: <GtFP4rUqlX7T@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <c069m5$nja$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: ? > In article <9f7f13a8.0402081253.7c465c7c@posting.google.com>, 3 > alexdaniels@themail.co.uk (Alex Daniels) writes:     [...]   * >> $ pip ucx sh int/imp | sea sys$pipe imp   I > OK, that's what I was looking for.  However (TCPIP 5.3-183 on VAX 7.3,  D > TCPIP 5.3-182 on ALPHA 7.3-1) I get "unrecognized qualifier".  :-(   Try SHOW INTERFACE/CLUSTER .  & For a clusterwide view, you might try:    $ w:=write sys$outputD  $ cmd:=do pipe ucx show interface/cluster | search sys$input impers.  $ pipe (w "set env/clus" ;w cmd) | mcr sysman   --9 George Cornelius              cornelius@encompasserve.org 0                               cornelius@mayo.edu   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:21:49 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)6 Subject: Re: need to get cluster impersonator from DCL. Message-ID: <c08c2s$cn5$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes in article <c069m5$nja$1@online.de> dated Sun, 8 Feb 2004 21:28:38 +0000 (UTC): > >In article <9f7f13a8.0402081253.7c465c7c@posting.google.com>,2 >alexdaniels@themail.co.uk (Alex Daniels) writes:  > I >> Might be helpful if you mention the version of VMS and TCP/IP Services 8 >> / UCX you are running.. but this should do it..(IIRC) > C >I would have hoped that the method doesn't depend on the versions!  > * >> $ pip ucx sh int/imp | sea sys$pipe imp > H >OK, that's what I was looking for.  However (TCPIP 5.3-183 on VAX 7.3, C >TCPIP 5.3-182 on ALPHA 7.3-1) I get "unrecognized qualifier".  :-(    I think Alex meant:   /     $ pip ucx sh int/clust | sea sys$pipe clust   K Unless the term has been changed in tcp/ip V5.4.  I'm still on 5.3, and the  above command works for me.   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:04:13 +0100- From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> $ Subject: Re: Newbie looking for help9 Message-ID: <c07t06$13gsc8$1@ID-56200.news.uni-berlin.de>    Bradford J. Hamilton wrote: ; > You can find out about the IP stack by issuing one of the 9 > following commands (for the three most popular stacks):  > 3 > ucx sho version (UCX/TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS) / > netcu sho version (TCPware, from process.com) - > mu sho/version (Multinet, from process.com)   = As TCPware doesn't install and MultiNet has the option of not ? installing into the DCLTABLES, the above might only work if the / appropriate foreign commands have been defined.   9 An alternative would be to look at running processes with  $ SHOW SYSTEM :   % - UCX$INET_ACP (UCX before version 5)   . - TCPIP$INET_ACP (TCP/IP Services, version 5+)   - TCPware_NETCP (TCPware)    - MULTINET_SERVER (MultiNet)   cu,    Martin --  @   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 14:45:24 GMT 2 From: "Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com>$ Subject: Re: Newbie looking for help< Message-ID: <82NVb.3332$4I6.596195@twister.southeast.rr.com>   http://www.openvms.org   -- Kenneth Farmer <>< OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.org       D "Roy Kidder" <RoyKidder@remove-this-part.yahoo.com> wrote in messageA news:pan.2004.02.09.01.57.44.310412@remove-this-part.yahoo.com... I > I recently got my hands on a VaxStation 3100. Now, I'm trying to figure  > out what I can do with it. :)  > J > It has a copy of VMS installed and apparently has an IP stack. I've beenH > silently watching this newsgroup for a couple of weeks hoping to see a > FAQ, but haven't noticed one.  > G > I'm completely new to VMS, so any pointers would be most appreciated.  >  > Thanks in advance, > Roy    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:21:28 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> : Subject: Re: OpenGL Drawing, Motif on PseudoColor, ZLXp-E14 Message-ID: <YzNVb.13995$eM3.10319@news.cpqcorp.net>  B Hi Andy.  Where are you these days?  (I'd send mail except for the spam-proof address you use ;-)   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2004 08:07:23 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) I Subject: Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene 3 Message-ID: <s4RBIRLWC70T@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <BC4DCA60.22E64%x@wedontwantyourspam.com>, nospam <x@wedontwantyourspam.com> writes:   L > I always thought it was such a stupid question on the form you fill out onE > for entry to USA. "Are you a terrorist ? Yes/No"  But I don't think E > answering yes would be taken as the joke that it seems to be to me.   G    The purpose of that question is so that when you arrest a terrorist, @    you can always at least charge him with lying on that form.        Catch 01.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:09:48 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> I Subject: Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene J Message-ID: <M1QVb.19767$R6H.7046@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:> > In article <BC4DCA60.22E64%x@wedontwantyourspam.com>, nospam$ > <x@wedontwantyourspam.com> writes: > F >> I always thought it was such a stupid question on the form you fillG >> out on for entry to USA. "Are you a terrorist ? Yes/No"  But I don't E >> think answering yes would be taken as the joke that it seems to be 	 >> to me.  > > >    The purpose of that question is so that when you arrest aE >    terrorist, you can always at least charge him with lying on that  > form.  >  >    Catch 01.   Wrong.  G If you want a catch-all charge that can be laid against anyone, for any J reason, who happens to be a visitor to the US and then thrown in a cell inL 'Gitmo without recourse, right to counsel, or a visit from his ambassador or0 country's legal attache, then that's the gotcha.  L Works really well for prople whose names 'sound' the same but have differentK spelling due to different representation of the spelling - how do you spell A al Queida anyway? Al Kidah - is that an organization or a person?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:38:19 GMT ' From: nospam <x@wedontwantyourspam.com> Y Subject: Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene	gesture	gesture 5 Message-ID: <BC4DCA60.22E64%x@wedontwantyourspam.com>   D in article c07p6i$o9q$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com, Andrew Harrison SUNUKH Consultancy at Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com wrote on 09/02/2004 21:59:   > David J. Dachtera wrote: >> Fabio Cardoso wrote:  >>  C >>> What is happening with the americans ? I allways had admiration  >>> for the American minds...  >>   >>  D >> Say, "freedom of expression". Some Americans just assume, perhapsK >> incorrectly, that their homeland rights extend to the rest of the world.  >>   >  > > > I would imagine that saluting US immigration with one finger% > would be equally counterproductive.   J I always thought it was such a stupid question on the form you fill out onC for entry to USA. "Are you a terrorist ? Yes/No"  But I don't think C answering yes would be taken as the joke that it seems to be to me.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2004 07:54:54 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)Q Subject: Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene gesture = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0402090754.6b4ddada@posting.google.com>   ~ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<40258B38.FE4310C8@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > C > > What is happening with the americans ? I allways had admiration  > > for the American minds...  > C > Say, "freedom of expression". Some Americans just assume, perhaps J > incorrectly, that their homeland rights extend to the rest of the world.  F Freedom of speech, not expression. Freedom of speech protects opinion,F not vulgarity. If you can't figure out a way to "express" your opinion7 without vulgarity, then you've got far bigger problems.   D Remember, not all forms of speech are protected. You are not allowed; to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater when there is no fire.    Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:56:18 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)Q Subject: Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene gesture . Message-ID: <c08e3h$e6n$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes in article <f30679fb.0402071141.50370950@posting.google.com> dated 7 Feb 2004 11:41:43 -0800: @ >What is happening with the americans ? I allways had admiration >for the American minds...    O The US population is proof that engineering and diplomacy are not correllated.    L I was in Cartegena, Colombia in the summer of 2001 as an US tourist.  It's aL historical port city that also has beaches.  A couple of days before I left,J a US navy ship tied up and unleashed several hundred marines.  If I didn'tK know what an "ugly american" was before that, I sure do now!  Yelling "five H dolla!" from the city's open-air busses at passing schoolgirls, not evenK attempting to speak Spanish, those guys turned a fun town into a shithole.  5 I was embarassed for my country and happy to leave.     0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 10:59:30 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> Y Subject: Re: OT: Another American arrested in Brazil after making obscene gesture gesture 0 Message-ID: <c07p6i$o9q$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > A >>What is happening with the americans ? I allways had admiration  >>for the American minds...  >  > C > Say, "freedom of expression". Some Americans just assume, perhaps J > incorrectly, that their homeland rights extend to the rest of the world. >     < I would imagine that saluting US immigration with one finger# would be equally counterproductive.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 09:25:01 -0800 - From: Kaleb Pederson <kpederson@mail.ewu.edu> " Subject: Other CVS on VMS problems2 Message-ID: <200402090925.01424.kpederson@ewu.edu>  M I have been trying to get CVS on OpenVMS up and running, but haven't had any  L luck.  I get the following error message and was wondering if anybody knows  how to get around it:   " $ define cvs_rsh "ssh_exe:ssh.exe"2 $ cvs -d:ext:otherhost:/home/cvs import test V1 R1@ cvs [import aborted]: cannot fdopen 3 for write: bad file number  N If I create the repository on a Linux system, and then try to check it out, I  get the same thing:   ( $ cvs -d:ext:otherhost:/home/cvs co testB cvs [checkout aborted]: cannot fdopen 3 for write: bad file number  : I'll try with a pserver here shortly to see if that helps.   Here's the version information:    $ cvs --version 0 Concurrent Versions System (CVS) 1.9.27 (client); Copyright (c) 1989-1998 Brian Berliner, david d `zoo' zuhn, 4                         Jeff Polk, and other authorsI CVS may be copied only under the terms of the GNU General Public License, ; a copy of which can be found with the CVS distribution kit.c; Specify the --help option for further information about CVSb   Thanks for the help.   --Kalebh  < On Friday 06 February 2004 01:01 am, Robert Trawinski wrote:	 > Hi all,l >nD > We use in our projects CVS client for VMS (version 1.11.2) . Local# > source tree I have on ODS-5 disk. J > Procces'  parse style is EXTENDED. But when I fetch OpenSSL files errors  > occur.  In OpenSSL source tree3 > there are multidot files. And that's the problem.I >l0 > Did anyone has the same problem? Any solution? >o > Thanks in advance, >o	 > Robert.e   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2004 11:42:29 -0600e; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) & Subject: Re: Other CVS on VMS problems3 Message-ID: <PVbmKkSi5EqH@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  b In article <200402090925.01424.kpederson@ewu.edu>, Kaleb Pederson <kpederson@mail.ewu.edu> writes: > $ > $ define cvs_rsh "ssh_exe:ssh.exe"4 > $ cvs -d:ext:otherhost:/home/cvs import test V1 R1B > cvs [import aborted]: cannot fdopen 3 for write: bad file number >   D    Whose ssh are you using?  I'm using Multinet's with CVS, with SSH    in the DCL command table.  D    For that I use cvs_rsh=="ssh" (a DCL symbol, instead of a logical	    name).u  1    What happens if you try to start SSH itself as     $run ssh_exe:ssh.exee    ?   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2004 02:42:11 -0800t. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)= Subject: Ross (Gembase)  to Move Atlanta Design Jobs to Chinam= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0402090242.26e34ee5@posting.google.com>s  9 For you those which still using Gembase for OpenVMS .... d  u http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=568&ncid=738&e=10&u=/nm/20040209/bs_nm/tech_china_chinadotcom_ross_dc?  B Its time for us to migrate do Shangai ! But with this chicken flu .... :-)   Regards    FC   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:17:28 -0500* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>A Subject: Re: Ross (Gembase)  to Move Atlanta Design Jobs to ChinaR2 Message-ID: <KXMVb.1346$l4.6525@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  5 I think Gembase development is all in Escuondido, CA.uK Payroll (now owned by Now solutions), AP and GL products were developped inv Atlanta.  I We have all of those things running. Possibly I'll sonne have to learn tot  speak chinese to get support :-)   -- ' Syltrem    OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---nE "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> a crit dans le message dee7 news:f30679fb.0402090242.26e34ee5@posting.google.com...': > For you those which still using Gembase for OpenVMS .... >  > u http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=568&ncid=738&e=10&u=/nm/20040209/bs_nm/tech_china_chinadotcom_ross_dca >tD > Its time for us to migrate do Shangai ! But with this chicken flu
 > .... :-) >o	 > Regardso >i > FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 10:23:14 +0000hO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>d" Subject: Re: Rumours of (CPU) Wars0 Message-ID: <c07n2i$nlb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > In article <bvvr7r$5ac$3@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >>Rob Young wrote: >> >>> J >>>We're sorry, but we are unable to process your request to configure theR >>>identified product. The link to the product you selected is temporarily broken.O >>>This product should be accessible shortly. If time is of the essence, we asko; >>>that you call us at and talk to a sales representative. s >>>tQ >>>Please use your browser's "back" button to return to the previous page and, ifr( >>>appropriate, make another selection.  >>>  >>>m >>< >>Just do the config Rob and stop BSing, including support a= >>PowerEdge 6550 with 4 x 2.8 GHz CPU's and 8 GB of RAM costso	 >>$30120.> >> >  > ' > 	Sure it does.  For that industry :^)8 >  > 			Rob >   : Well since that Industry accounts for the bulk of all Dell6 purchases your attempts to justify your pricing claims8 using an EDU/Govt price for the box was only what people have come to expect from you.,  7 Quite why you bothered with a smiley is a bit difficulth9 to work out, your entire argument in this thread has beent8 trashed and you have ended up playing pricing games with9 Dell configs in a sad attempt to support the last of youra; points thats still in play. Sad because as you know even atm7 discounted rates the Dell boxes are more expensive thanc a non discounted Opteron.h  8 I predicted in another thread that you would butt out of4 this one, this is the time to do so though you would6 have been advised to have done it earlier. :-) :-) :-)  . Or do you want to give me more to smile about.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2004 07:38:13 -0600e+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)a" Subject: Re: Rumours of (CPU) Wars3 Message-ID: <Ymt3BpyDD$Qi@eisner.encompasserve.org>e   In article <c07n2i$nlb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote: >> In article <bvvr7r$5ac$3@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:t >> a >>>Rob Young wrote:o >>>e >>>> eK >>>>We're sorry, but we are unable to process your request to configure thelS >>>>identified product. The link to the product you selected is temporarily broken.AP >>>>This product should be accessible shortly. If time is of the essence, we ask< >>>>that you call us at and talk to a sales representative.  >>>>R >>>>Please use your browser's "back" button to return to the previous page and, if) >>>>appropriate, make another selection. i >>>> b >>>> >>>.= >>>Just do the config Rob and stop BSing, including support a7> >>>PowerEdge 6550 with 4 x 2.8 GHz CPU's and 8 GB of RAM costs
 >>>$30120. >>>W >> s >> a( >> 	Sure it does.  For that industry :^) >>  	 >> 			Robe >> t > < > Well since that Industry accounts for the bulk of all Dell8 > purchases your attempts to justify your pricing claims: > using an EDU/Govt price for the box was only what people > have come to expect from you.l >   ? 	But it is where we purchase from, so it is a legitimate lookup. 	on my part.    : > I predicted in another thread that you would butt out of6 > this one, this is the time to do so though you would8 > have been advised to have done it earlier. :-) :-) :-)  : 	Nah.  You've got a lot of words and points, but sometimes 	they miss the mark.   			Rob   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:19:31 -0600( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> Subject: spammer terrorism0 Message-ID: <00A2D276.49C93B9D.15@tachysoft.com>  O Here recently, I noticed that the never-to-be-sufficiently-damned spammers havedK been using another technique: subject lines intended to scare the recipiento3 into reading the mail to avoid dire consequences.  d  O For instance, "Subject: Fw: zim Suspended Account pb", which presumably means IrO should read their silly ass message to rescue my mythical unnamed account whichtK has been suspended.  Of course, anyone with two brain cells to rub together H would recognize the pre- and post-gibberish as an attempt to defeat spamO filtering (haven't these dickweeds heard of wildcards?).  Given the viruses andvJ shit raging in the billyworld, I guess there is an acute shortage of brainF cells and people are actually intimidated into reading crap like this.  L The good news is that the spammers are giving me more hooks to filter on.  I just added:G   ---O
 Rule ID: 2468 &     Header: Subject: *Suspend*Account*4     Added:  9-FEB-2004 08:58:39.58, never referenced ---e    H True, if I actually *did* get some sort of account suspended, I wouldn'tH receive the mail, but I'll take my chances.  I don't typcially engage in) behavior that would cause this to happen.h   WayneIO =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   sO ===============================================================================bB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 07:47:12 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: spammer terrorism9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIAELJCMAA.tom@kednos.com>j  I How would you filter the following (MX5.3)  These must be optional fields9 in the RFC822 header?.    Content-Disposition: attachment;2         filename="doc.exe"kTh#aoY)6PO pOH1^1CdcѿXI  I This was detected as a virus on my pop client.  They have been running atsJ a size of 23KB for the psat few weeks this one was 28KB,  I get about 5-10 of these a day    I Another interseting one I get 2 of these every ~45 minutes, and have been  getting them for several weeks. J  9-FEB-2004 07:17:52.43:  MX SMTP server: rejected message from <> sent byI [81.223.31.135] due to RFC822 header rule [Subject: Returned m*] [rule id  115]       -----Original Message-----1   From: Wayne Sewell [mailto:wayne@tachysoft.com] )   Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 7:20 AMt   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu   Subject: spammer terrorism    C   Here recently, I noticed that the never-to-be-sufficiently-damned4   spammers have C   been using another technique: subject lines intended to scare the    recipient 3   into reading the mail to avoid dire consequences.o  >   For instance, "Subject: Fw: zim Suspended Account pb", which   presumably means IC   should read their silly ass message to rescue my mythical unnamedC   account whichm@   has been suspended.  Of course, anyone with two brain cells to   rub togetherJ   would recognize the pre- and post-gibberish as an attempt to defeat spamA   filtering (haven't these dickweeds heard of wildcards?).  Givene   the viruses andIL   shit raging in the billyworld, I guess there is an acute shortage of brainH   cells and people are actually intimidated into reading crap like this.  @   The good news is that the spammers are giving me more hooks to   filter on.  I 
   just added:l     ---v   Rule ID: 2468l(       Header: Subject: *Suspend*Account*6       Added:  9-FEB-2004 08:58:39.58, never referenced   ---c    J   True, if I actually *did* get some sort of account suspended, I wouldn'tJ   receive the mail, but I'll take my chances.  I don't typcially engage in+   behavior that would cause this to happen.      WaynehD   ==================================================================   =============t:   Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.coms:   http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.htmlD   ==================================================================   =============pD   Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?".   	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"     ---h(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.566 / Virus Database: 357 - Release Date: 1/22/2004   ---l& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.566 / Virus Database: 357 - Release Date: 1/22/2004   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 10:29:29 -0600( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>" Subject: Re: RE: spammer terrorism/ Message-ID: <00A2D280.0FD88E1B.3@tachysoft.com>   * >From: =22Tom Linden=22 <tom=40kednos.com> >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >Subject: RE: spammer terrorism < >Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIAELJCMAA.tom=40kednos.com>% >Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 07:47:12 -0800r  J >How would you filter the following (MX5.3)  These must be optional fields >in the RFC822 header? >e! >Content-Disposition: attachment;sL >        filename=3D=22doc.exe=22=D2kTh=F1=F3#=DAa=BFoY)=E2=E2=EE=E7=EF6=E8= PO=D7=D45 >=A9=C9p=EFO=BEH=F51=A4=FD=EE=5E1Cd=ADc=BA=D1=BFXI=AEr >!J >This was detected as a virus on my pop client.  They have been running atK >a size of 23KB for the psat few weeks this one was 28KB,  I get about 5-10n >of these a day@ >P >S    L Unfortunately, attachments don't show up in the headers.  The first blank l= ineeL is the boundary between the header and the body, and there is no filtering = ofI the body.  For stuff like this, my second level filtering, using the SITEl interface, has to take over.   WaynehL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3DL Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne=40tachysof= t.comr> http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   =20L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3DF Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: =22This place got a cement pond?=220 	Ellie May: =22And do yuh let critters in it?=22   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:01:31 GMTa# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t Subject: Re: spammer terrorismJ Message-ID: <%VPVb.19651$R6H.8608@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  C Possibly a filter based on the TLD and the presence of a .exe file.o  I Usability of this sort of scheme depends on the location of your customertG base. eg. I have a few filters for my PC e-mail client (Eudora) at homea that:o  : a) accept mail from known good senders in China, otherwiseD b) trash anything from a .cn domain if it has a variety of specified, attachment types (.exe, .scr, etc....), thenL c) put anything else from China into a 'Possible Spam' mailbox for review toJ determine if it's legit, or to determine if there's a pattern to the stuffA coming in that can be filtered for through a new filter I create.w  L I have a total of about 200 rules my incoming mail falls through and I'd sayL they are about 99.9% accurate. I do get the occasional message that makes itH through into an incorrect mailbox but that's usually due to a typo in myL rules. New legit messages from unknown senders (1st timers to me) get caught0 and directed to a holding tank for review/reply.  J If it suits your needs, maybe you can create a filter for high-order asciiB characters in the Subject line or by other means such as different! language/alphabet character sets.B  J There's only so much you can do at an organizational level if you are in aH large company. Individual users have far to many correspondents with tooG many originating domains and subject lines to ever hope to catch thingst
 centrally.  I And then you have moronic corporations and ISP's which do 'word spotting'tL and bounce legitimate e-mail from coming in. Case in point - last week I wasI corresponding with somebody whose company had the words "systemworks" and E "system works" in their list of verbotten words - my mail to them gotuH bounced. Systemworks is a product from Symantec, and 'system works' is a/ common phrase as in 'my system works properly'.5       Tom Linden wrote:4D > How would you filter the following (MX5.3)  These must be optional > fields in the RFC822 header? >u" > Content-Disposition: attachment;4 >         filename="doc.exe"kTh#aoY)6PO > pOH1^1CdcѿXI >a@ > This was detected as a virus on my pop client.  They have been > running atG > a size of 23KB for the psat few weeks this one was 28KB,  I get about- > 5-10 of these a daya >  >eF > Another interseting one I get 2 of these every ~45 minutes, and have& > been getting them for several weeks.D >  9-FEB-2004 07:17:52.43:  MX SMTP server: rejected message from <>F > sent by [81.223.31.135] due to RFC822 header rule [Subject: Returned > m*] [rule id 115]5 >b >0 >   -----Original Message-----3 >   From: Wayne Sewell [mailto:wayne@tachysoft.com]e+ >   Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 7:20 AMa >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come >   Subject: spammer terrorism >  >mE >   Here recently, I noticed that the never-to-be-sufficiently-damnede >   spammers havedE >   been using another technique: subject lines intended to scare the 
 >   recipiente5 >   into reading the mail to avoid dire consequences.d >I@ >   For instance, "Subject: Fw: zim Suspended Account pb", which >   presumably means IE >   should read their silly ass message to rescue my mythical unnamed5 >   account whichiB >   has been suspended.  Of course, anyone with two brain cells to >   rub togetherG >   would recognize the pre- and post-gibberish as an attempt to defeatpH >   spam filtering (haven't these dickweeds heard of wildcards?).  Given >   the viruses and E >   shit raging in the billyworld, I guess there is an acute shortageeC >   of brain cells and people are actually intimidated into reading- > crap like this.0 >eB >   The good news is that the spammers are giving me more hooks to >   filter on.  Il >   just added:w >V >   ---n >   Rule ID: 2468 * >       Header: Subject: *Suspend*Account*8 >       Added:  9-FEB-2004 08:58:39.58, never referenced >   ---, >h >wC >   True, if I actually *did* get some sort of account suspended, IaA >   wouldn't receive the mail, but I'll take my chances.  I don't A >   typcially engage in behavior that would cause this to happen.m > 	 >   WayneaF >   ================================================================== >   ============= < >   Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738 >   wayne@tachysoft.coml< >   http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.htmlF >   ================================================================== >   =============/F >   Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"/ >   Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"u >c >   ---i* >   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.> >   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).D >   Version: 6.0.566 / Virus Database: 357 - Release Date: 1/22/2004 >a > ---i( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.566 / Virus Database: 357 - Release Date: 1/22/2004   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2004 04:41:23 -0800e From: rutledj@rjrt.com (Rut)& Subject: Re: stupid smtp/mapi question= Message-ID: <d88f2c7d.0402090441.7f7ce7a5@posting.google.com>   F Thanks for all your responses. Basically what I want to do is get awayB from MAPI calls and send mail directly using smtp. I'm looking for; sample code that shows how to send an email with/without ansB attachment. I'm coding in Delphi 6. If anyone can help me out withC this or point me to a link that explains the different calls I'd bec much appreciated.d   Thanks Rutr              [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<402046FE.824A54A8@istop.com>...d! > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:t< > > MAPI compliant Client APP          MAPI compliant server/ > >      |                                    | 0 > >    SMTP   ------------->--------------- SMTP >  >  > Not quite: >  >     Application 
 >        | >     MAPI DLL
 >        |V > [some local server]--------------(some protocol)----------------[some remote server] >  > L > The MAPI DLL is a library of routines that provide a standard set of callsM > available to the application no matter what the underlying protocol is. TheeM > application need not know what actual protocol is being used below the MAPI I > DLL, but user has a choice of which MAPI DLL to choose (eg: why type of1< > server) and then given a way to configure that connection. > J > Perhaps the original poster was asking whether he should be using a MAPIL > driver that provides a connection to an SMTP server versus the MAPI driver' > that connects to the exchange server.> > N > This really depends on your corporate environment. If you're a windows shop,N > you are probably expected to talk the proprietary microsoft protocols to theL > exchange server, and let some central gateway transfor this in to the real > SMTP standard stuff. > N > On the other hand, if you have a more mature shop, chances are that they mayN > have a SMTP server to collect emails from clients and distribute them to theL > other users and the world. In this case, you'd be using a MAPI driver that > talks to an SMTP server.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2004 07:56:38 -0600n; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)U% Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?a3 Message-ID: <0JgXIW0mcmbs@eisner.encompasserve.org>O  v In article <Pine.LNX.4.58-035.0402081426120.3977@unix44.andrew.cmu.edu>, Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > J > control-p works on alphas? i've never met an alpha that it worked on (orI > any other way to drop to the chevron from the console, only hitting theoN > halt button or executing a halt instruction).. admittedly, i've not ever hadQ > the console of a big alpha, only workstation alphas, though from the very first M > small alphas (dec3000 [346]00's) to miata machines, control-p didnt get youaC > to the chevron. Is there any way to make it so that it does work?d  @    On my DEC 3000 Model 600S there is no halt button.  ^P works.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2004 08:01:46 -0600-; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)+% Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? 3 Message-ID: <ca0RENz5LCiu@eisner.encompasserve.org>p  w In article <c067ds$l7m$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:oJ > In article <Pine.LNX.4.58-035.0402081426120.3977@unix44.andrew.cmu.edu>,0 > Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:  > K >> control-p works on alphas? i've never met an alpha that it worked on (orDJ >> any other way to drop to the chevron from the console, only hitting theO >> halt button or executing a halt instruction).. admittedly, i've not ever had R >> the console of a big alpha, only workstation alphas, though from the very firstN >> small alphas (dec3000 [346]00's) to miata machines, control-p didnt get youD >> to the chevron. Is there any way to make it so that it does work? > < > As a matter of fact, I did so yesterday on a DEC 3000/300. > ) > I don't know if CONTINUE works, though.n  B    Yes it does.  Things can timeout:  if you let VMScluster sanityE    timers expire your system will crash when you CONTINUE.  If you're B    not running VMScluser, the next thing likely to timeout are LAT8    connections.  Then DECnet and finally IP connections.  B    On my 11/780 under VMS 2 and 3 all it caused was DECnet consoleB    messages as DECnet recognized loss and regain of connectivity. %    Nobody used the network that much.r  H    On VAXen and Alpha I have managed to HALT, alter memory, and CONTINUE1    without loosing VMScluster sanity.  Type fast!o   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2004 07:53:52 -0600O; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) % Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?c3 Message-ID: <CSN2QTDapC2f@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  ^ In article <0ohVb.852$032.16502@attbi_s53>, glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes: > Daryl Jones wrote: >  > I >> On the earlier VAXes, the null mode process was use to keep the systemSF >> busy during idle times. On the later VAXes and Alphas the null modeH >> process was removed. Therefore, a later VAX and Alpha processor couldI >> have 0-2% utilization when it is idle and 100% when it was being used.n > E > Do VAX and Alpha have a way to stop the CPU, like the WAIT state ons > IBM S/360, S/370, etc.?   C    They both have a HALT instruction.  When that stops the CPU, theo@    system console may be set up to respond in a variety of ways.  E    I do know of some systems which are completely interrupt drive andrC    so halt when there is nothing to do.  Since a VAX console can besE    set up to respond to HALT by rebooting, forcing a crash, ..., thatoD    would not be a good thing to replace the idle loop with.  (On the>    other hand, I had wished I could do this when running underI    Charon-VAX so that a fairly idle emulated VAX wouldn't be 100% load tom    it's host.)  E    And OBTW, the "idle loop" on Alpha (and probably I64) isn't alwayshF    idle.  It's been given the job of maintaining a pool of zero-filledG    pages for quick response to demand-zero page faults.  It's idle whena    that pool is full.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:10:56 -05005 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com>h% Subject: RE: Why was VAX abandonned ?-Q Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D502D06FC1@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>   L what I'm trying to say is, if the system maxed out at 100, it may have actu=L ally been higher thatn 100 - that's just as high as the needle goes.  Witho=L ut other info on how long jobs took to complete, its impossible to tell the=
  real results    -----Original Message-----A From: Daryl Jones [mailto:jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net]=20.) Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 5:02 AMR To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come% Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?e     Dear William J. Bochnik:  L You are correct that I should have added more details. The cpu queues and o=L ther performance parameters should have been added and I apologize for not =L providing a full thesis. The idea that I was trying to convey was that a pr=+ oduction VAX that was being max out (not byrL 1000%) and was replaced by a very powerful Alpha that by its specs should h=L ave blow away the VAX and it didn't. It only decrease the cpu consumption b= y one-third.  L By the way, you can have a cpu queue with less than 100% cpu consumption. A=L  standard job run-time may not be a good metric because the application isn=L 't tune. At the same site on a different VAX, I decrease the run-time of a =L process by two hours. Later I was told the VAX didn't have performance prob= lem.  
 Go figure?   Regards, Daryl Jones0  L "Bochnik, William J" <William Bochnik@acml.com> wrote in message news:<2D75=C 787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D502D06F88@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>... I > plus if the cpu was at 100% who's to say it wasnt really at 1000%, and 'I > then  dropped to 66%?  What was the cpu queue?  How long did it take=20 , > to do your standard jobs before and after? >=20 > This is misleading.t >=20 > -----Original Message-----0 > From: nospam [mailto:x@wedontwantyourspam.com]) > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 1:34 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come' > Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?h >=20 >=20F > in article 8a646952.0402052103.6555591e@posting.google.com, Daryl=20
 > Jones at@ > jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net wrote on 06/02/2004 16:03: >=20 > > Dear Richard B. Gilbert: > >=20F > > In 1999, I experience at a client site the moving a large ACMS-RdbI > > application from a max out VAX 78xx system to a Alpha 8400 where I=20lG > > only saw saw drop of cpu utilization go from 100% to 66%. I thought-F > Oh god how sad. CPU utilization cant be used like that. CPU's are=20I > always 10 0% till they halt or power down. %utilization relates to the t4 > OS being in th e idle loop.  Your deluded sorry ;) >   =20 E > > this was strange since the Interger test comparison was 1800 to 1eJ > > faster for the Alpha. Therefore, I find your statement that the Alpha C > > blows off the doors of the VAX processor not true at that time.r >=20 >=20 >=20+ > ----------------------------------------- J > The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged=20J > and c onfidential information and is intended only for the use of the=20I > person(s) n amed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an=20tE > employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the=20nD > intended recipient, any revi ew, dissemination, distribution or=20J > duplication of this communication is str ictly prohibited. If you are=20J > not the intended recipient, please contact the  sender immediately by=20H > reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Please=20F > note that we do not accept account orders and/or instructio ns by=20J > e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying out such o=20H > rders and/or instructions. 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Please note that we do not accept account orders and/or instructio=L ns by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying out such o= rders and/or instructions.L If you, as an intended recipient of this commercial e-mail or advertisement=L , would not like to receive further e-mail correspondence from the sender, =4 please "reply" to the sender indicating your wishes.< In the U.S.: 1345 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 10105   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:17:47 -0700a+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> % Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?a' Message-ID: <4027A49B.1060102@MMaz.com>h   Bob Koehler wrote:  _ >In article <0ohVb.852$032.16502@attbi_s53>, glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:a >  " >y >>Daryl Jones wrote: >> >> >>     >>I >>>On the earlier VAXes, the null mode process was use to keep the systemgF >>>busy during idle times. On the later VAXes and Alphas the null modeH >>>process was removed. Therefore, a later VAX and Alpha processor couldI >>>have 0-2% utilization when it is idle and 100% when it was being used.y	 >>>      n >>> E >>Do VAX and Alpha have a way to stop the CPU, like the WAIT state on, >>IBM S/360, S/370, etc.?  >>     >> >HD >   They both have a HALT instruction.  When that stops the CPU, theA >   system console may be set up to respond in a variety of ways.c > F >   I do know of some systems which are completely interrupt drive andD >   so halt when there is nothing to do.  Since a VAX console can beF >   set up to respond to HALT by rebooting, forcing a crash, ..., thatE >   would not be a good thing to replace the idle loop with.  (On theu? >   other hand, I had wished I could do this when running under J >   Charon-VAX so that a fairly idle emulated VAX wouldn't be 100% load to >   it's host.)  >    >e= Not that you are going to 'wear' anything out, but you can...-   Barry-   -- -  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2004 09:40:42 -0800l7 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) % Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?r= Message-ID: <8a646952.0402090940.190b9598@posting.google.com>e  g glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote in message news:<chFVb.208883$nt4.986971@attbi_s51>...  > Daryl Jones wrote: >  > (snip) > J > > I don't know everything about IBM systems. You can stop a CPU on a VAXH > > or Alpha from the console by issuing a control-p, which will produceD > > the three chevrons >>>. The system will be stop. You can issue aG > > "continue" and the system will continue were it stop at. There is a)7 > > time limit and how much time you have I don't know.  > 6 > IBM S/360 and successors have a PSW bit called WAIT. > 8 > When set, no instructions are executed, hopefully with: > interrupts enabled.   There is no NULL job or NULL task. > = > The is especially useful when running on a virtual machine,e> > as VM doesn't have to use up 100% of its time running a NULL > task loop. > B > The real reason is that IBM used to rent machines, such that the< > rental charge was based on time actually spent processing.: > A hardware timer could measure the amount actually used. > ; > As far as I know, DEC never rented VAX or Alpha that way.n > 	 > -- glen    Dear Glen Herrmannsfeldt:l  7 I should have said: "I don't know anything about IBM".    E There were businesses that rented time out on a VAX/VMS. However, you-E can't charge by cpu runtime. You have to charge by connect time. ThishA is due to the runtime not being the same each time the process ishE executed. The difference really showed itself when a process ran withoC no load on the VAX and then on a loaded VAX. This is due to the VMSr
 scheduler.   Regards, Daryl Jones    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2004 10:25:09 -0800o7 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones)f% Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? = Message-ID: <8a646952.0402091025.22aeb7c3@posting.google.com>i   Dear Lord Isildur:  E After reading several messages about Alpha's and the control-p, may I E suggest something, attached a terminal to the console and turn on thee> opscon messages so that you can see the messages appear on theA console/terminal. Now this the important part, don't log onto theoD Alpha! At this point, you can execute a control-p and should get the chevrons(>>>) or boot prompt. 
 Good Luck.   Regards, Daryl Jones.  { Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.58-035.0402081426120.3977@unix44.andrew.cmu.edu>...6J > control-p works on alphas? i've never met an alpha that it worked on (orI > any other way to drop to the chevron from the console, only hitting the N > halt button or executing a halt instruction).. admittedly, i've not ever hadQ > the console of a big alpha, only workstation alphas, though from the very firsttM > small alphas (dec3000 [346]00's) to miata machines, control-p didnt get youeC > to the chevron. Is there any way to make it so that it does work?a > 	 > isildurd >  > ( > On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Daryl Jones wrote: > g > > glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote in message news:<0ohVb.852$032.16502@attbi_s53>...s > > > Daryl Jones wrote: > > >t > > > N > > > > On the earlier VAXes, the null mode process was use to keep the systemK > > > > busy during idle times. On the later VAXes and Alphas the null modeoM > > > > process was removed. Therefore, a later VAX and Alpha processor could9N > > > > have 0-2% utilization when it is idle and 100% when it was being used. > > >nI > > > Do VAX and Alpha have a way to stop the CPU, like the WAIT state on7 > > > IBM S/360, S/370, etc.?c > > >_
 > > > -- glens > >  > > Dear Glen Herrmansfeldt: > >oJ > > I don't know everything about IBM systems. You can stop a CPU on a VAXH > > or Alpha from the console by issuing a control-p, which will produceD > > the three chevrons >>>. The system will be stop. You can issue aG > > "continue" and the system will continue were it stop at. There is a$7 > > time limit and how much time you have I don't know.e > >r > > Regards, > > Daryl Jones, > >e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:29:48 -05005 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com>u% Subject: RE: Why was VAX abandonned ? Q Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D502D06FE2@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>m  L reminds me of an "event" at my old job - Microvax (which goes to >>> on the=L  break key, unlike thie big vaxen) - we had the break key mapped to switch =L ports on our terminal servers - application guy comes into computer room to=L  ask a question, goes to the MV, and hits the break key to switch sessions =. and log in - needless to say it didnt like it. -----Original Message-----A From: Daryl Jones [mailto:jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net]=20 ' Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 1:25 PM8 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms% Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?k     Dear Lord Isildur:  L After reading several messages about Alpha's and the control-p, may I sugge=L st something, attached a terminal to the console and turn on the opscon mes=L sages so that you can see the messages appear on the console/terminal. Now =L this the important part, don't log onto the Alpha! At this point, you can e=% xecute a control-p and should get thet chevrons(>>>) or boot prompt.s
 Good Luck.   Regards, Daryl Joneso  L Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.58-=0 035.0402081426120.3977@unix44.andrew.cmu.edu>...I > control-p works on alphas? i've never met an alpha that it worked on=20wD > (or any other way to drop to the chevron from the console, only=20I > hitting the halt button or executing a halt instruction).. admittedly, -I > i've not ever had the console of a big alpha, only workstation alphas, nI > though from the very first small alphas (dec3000 [346]00's) to miata=20sJ > machines, control-p didnt get you to the chevron. Is there any way to=20 > make it so that it does work?a >=20	 > isilduru >=20 >=20( > On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Daryl Jones wrote: >=20B > > glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote in message=20+ > > news:<0ohVb.852$032.16502@attbi_s53>...H > > > Daryl Jones wrote: > > >s > > >aJ > > > > On the earlier VAXes, the null mode process was use to keep the=20I > > > > system busy during idle times. On the later VAXes and Alphas the  J > > > > null mode process was removed. Therefore, a later VAX and Alpha=20I > > > > processor could have 0-2% utilization when it is idle and 100%=20s > > > > when it was being used.a > > > I > > > Do VAX and Alpha have a way to stop the CPU, like the WAIT state=20   > > > on IBM S/360, S/370, etc.? > > >e
 > > > -- glen  > >b > > Dear Glen Herrmansfeldt: > > I > > I don't know everything about IBM systems. You can stop a CPU on a=20zG > > VAX or Alpha from the console by issuing a control-p, which will=20oG > > produce the three chevrons >>>. The system will be stop. You can=20 G > > issue a "continue" and the system will continue were it stop at.=20jB > > There is a time limit and how much time you have I don't know. > >y > > Regards, > > Daryl Jonesp > >r    ) -----------------------------------------oL The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and c=L onfidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s) n=L amed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent =L responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any revi=L ew, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is str=L ictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the=L  sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original =L message. Please note that we do not accept account orders and/or instructio=L ns by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying out such o= rders and/or instructions.L If you, as an intended recipient of this commercial e-mail or advertisement=L , would not like to receive further e-mail correspondence from the sender, =4 please "reply" to the sender indicating your wishes.< In the U.S.: 1345 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 10105   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:02:14 GMTc) From: "Rick Barry" <richard.barry@hp.com>u' Subject: Re: [MOZILLA] What's current ?I3 Message-ID: <qxLVb.13993$2K3.2494@news.cpqcorp.net>   3 "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote in messaget7 news:cc5619f2.0402061435.70ad7d0d@posting.google.com...m6 > "Rick Barry" <richard.barry@hp.com> wrote in message. news:<pcRUb.13942$u7.2328@news.cpqcorp.net>... > >  [...] G > Really looking forward to that.  V1.4 was not the happiest release todH > be stuck at.  Will V1.5 be available on the HP SWB page also?  Or will > it be Mozilla only?I  
 Yes, both.  
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