0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 14 Feb 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 89      Contents: Allocation classes and SAN, ANN: HGFTP V3.1-1 (now for OpenVMS IA64 too)I Re: BACKUP/COPY change file's allocated size. WHY? How do I prevent this? I Re: BACKUP/COPY change file's allocated size. WHY? How do I prevent this? I Re: BACKUP/COPY change file's allocated size. WHY? How do I prevent this? P Re: BACKUP/COPY change file's allocated size. WHY? How do I prevent this? this?t Re: Day of Year DCL procedure 1 DCL procedure to find and delete unused accounts?  Re: Hobbyist questions?  Re: Hobbyist questions? 6 Re: how to determine processes started at a given time6 Re: how to determine processes started at a given time Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!! ! Making images of RL02's under VMS  Re: Microvax vs Vaxstation 3100  Re: Microvax vs Vaxstation 3100  Re: Microvax vs Vaxstation 3100 - Re: Mozilla for OpenVMS Alpha V1.5 available! - Re: Mozilla for OpenVMS Alpha V1.5 available! - Re: Mozilla for OpenVMS Alpha V1.5 available! - Re: Mozilla for OpenVMS Alpha V1.5 available! - Re: Need copy of VMS5.5 2H4 distribution TK50 - Re: Need copy of VMS5.5 2H4 distribution TK50 < obj/olb from vax. need to create source and migrate to alpha@ RE: obj/olb from vax. need to create source and migrate to alpha@ Re: obj/olb from vax. need to create source and migrate to alpha Re: OpenVMS Feelings' OpenVMS on AlphaPC (PC164 motherboard)? + Re: OpenVMS on AlphaPC (PC164 motherboard)? + Re: OpenVMS on AlphaPC (PC164 motherboard)? @ Re: OpenVMS thrashes slowaris and aix in cluster tco/virus study@ Re: OpenVMS thrashes slowaris and aix in cluster tco/virus studyK Re: OpenVMS thrashes slowaris and aix in cluster tco/virus study ... again! * Re: OT: Windows has become open source :-)5 re: puzzle involving ALLOCLASS and SET VOLUME/REBUILD @ QUESTION - Basic setup of SMTP , simple e-mail notification taskD Re: QUESTION - Basic setup of SMTP , simple e-mail notification taskD Re: QUESTION - Basic setup of SMTP , simple e-mail notification taskD Re: QUESTION - Basic setup of SMTP , simple e-mail notification taskD Re: QUESTION - Basic setup of SMTP , simple e-mail notification task Re: Renaissance of VAX-VMS ?$ Reversed links for joining Encompass( Re: Reversed links for joining Encompass' Re: Searching for VMS 5.x documentation ' Re: Searching for VMS 5.x documentation ' Re: Searching for VMS 5.x documentation 4 Re: Solved: "Known problems with V7.3 security MUP?"4 Re: Solved: "Known problems with V7.3 security MUP?" Re: Tape Problem6 Re: Unknown identifier DECW$WS_QUOTA in rightslist.dat VAXUS: Symposium cancelled
 Re: VMS 7.3-2 
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 Re: VMS 7.3-2  Re: VMS and Unicode - Re: What kind of memory for AlphaServer 1000? - Re: What kind of memory for AlphaServer 1000? = Re: will these non-DEC disks work with my hobbyist equipment? = Re: will these non-DEC disks work with my hobbyist equipment? 6 [DCL] Quitting DELETE/CONFIRM doesn't stop immediately: Re: [DCL] Quitting DELETE/CONFIRM doesn't stop immediately1 Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full 1 Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full 1 Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full 1 Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full 1 Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full 1 RE: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full 1 Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full 1 Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full 1 Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full 1 Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full M Re: [VMS V7.3-2/AMDS/AVAILMAN] AVAILMAN installation deletes AMDS$CONSOLE.EXE   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:49:38 -0500 ) From: "Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com> # Subject: Allocation classes and SAN ; Message-ID: <am6Xb.14543$sO4.1322509@news20.bellglobal.com>   
 Hello all:  * If I want to cluster some nodes with a SAN0 as the disk interconnect, is the following true:  @ 1) All disks on the SAN are allocation class 1 (i.e. $1$DGAxxxx)@ 2) All tapes on the SAN are allocation class 2 (i.e. $1$MGAxxxx)C 3) Each Alpha with local disks that are to be served to the cluster I     should (must) have its own allocation class, so that device names are      unique in the cluster.  = My point being, that allocation classes cannot be assigned to = SAN storage arrays - the convention is allocation class 1 for  disks and 2 for tapes?   TIA  Scott    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:56:26 -0600 - From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> 5 Subject: ANN: HGFTP V3.1-1 (now for OpenVMS IA64 too) 9 Message-ID: <tdfXb.41606$Ch.10090@bignews6.bellsouth.net>   C HGFTP V3.1-1 is now available for download.  HGFTP is an FTP client E and server for OpenVMS VAX, OpenVMS Alpha, and OpenVMS IA64.  It runs E with MultiNet (VAX and Alpha), TCPware (VAX and Alpha), CMU-IP (VAX), B and HP TCP/IP Services (VAX, Alpha, and IA64).  It has a number ofE features not supported by other VMS FTP clients and servers including > support for STRU O VMS (which TCP/IP Services lacks), multipleE anonymous FTP accounts, support for "ftp:" URLs, support for FTP site  aliases, and lots more.   + This version includes one bugfix over V3.1:   @            o  The HGFTP server has been modified to return a 553>               error for the MKDIR command when a syntactically8               invalid directory name has been specified.=               Previously, a 599 error was returned, which was :               treated as a permanent error that closed the               connection.   B HGFTP V3.1-1 runs on OpenVMS IA64 V8.1, in addition to OpenVMS VAXC (all versions back to V5.4) and OpenVMS Alpha (all versions back to  V1.5).  8 HGFTP can be downloaded using any of the following URLs:   http://www.process.com/openvms/   5 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/hgftp.zip : http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/hgftp.zip  1 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/hgftp.zip 6 http://www.tmk.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/hgftp.zip   and the usual mirrors.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ ; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:25:48 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> R Subject: Re: BACKUP/COPY change file's allocated size. WHY? How do I prevent this?0 Message-ID: <102sffstl25fo90@corp.supernews.com>  2 Richard B. Gilbert <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote: : See: : $ HELP COPY /ALLOCATION 4 : for the explanation.  COPY is working as designed.  F Thank you.  So it seems the only way around this is to define a symbolF for COPY that uses a .COM procedure which then uses f$file(... ALQ) toJ get the allocated size, then specifies it explicitly for a COPY/ALLOCATION command?    H : You did not demonstrate a problem with BACKUP and I would be a little  : surprised if you could.   4 True.  I'll double check that BACKUP also does this.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:01:55 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>R Subject: Re: BACKUP/COPY change file's allocated size. WHY? How do I prevent this?0 Message-ID: <402E5483.77E2BA71@sture.homeip.net>   Z wrote: > 4 > Richard B. Gilbert <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote: > : See: > : $ HELP COPY /ALLOCATION 6 > : for the explanation.  COPY is working as designed. > H > Thank you.  So it seems the only way around this is to define a symbolH > for COPY that uses a .COM procedure which then uses f$file(... ALQ) toL > get the allocated size, then specifies it explicitly for a COPY/ALLOCATION
 > command? >    $ HELP COPY/TRUNCATE   COPY     /TRUNCATE            /TRUNCATE (default)          /NOTRUNCATE   B      Controls whether the COPY command truncates an output file atF      the end-of-file (EOF) when copying it. This operation can only be       used with sequential files.  F      By default, the actual size of the input file determines the sizeE      of the output file. If you select /NOTRUNCATE, the allocation of ;      the input file determines the size of the output file.   8 So all you need to do is use COPY/NOTRUNCATE .            I > : You did not demonstrate a problem with BACKUP and I would be a little  > : surprised if you could.  > 6 > True.  I'll double check that BACKUP also does this.   By contrast:   $ HELP BACKUP/TRUNCATE   BACKUP_Command     /TRUNCATE            /TRUNCATE          /NOTRUNCATE (default)         Command Qualifier  =      Controls whether a copy or restore operation truncates a B      sequential output file at the end-of-file (EOF) when creatingD      it. By default, a copy or restore operation uses the allocation@      of the input file to determine the size of the output file.      --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:07:15 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> R Subject: Re: BACKUP/COPY change file's allocated size. WHY? How do I prevent this?0 Message-ID: <102sle3g4cq705b@corp.supernews.com>  + Chris <chris.lonsdale@uktransco.com> wrote:  : > : $ HELP COPY /ALLOCATION 8 : > : for the explanation.  COPY is working as designed.  J : > Thank you.  So it seems the only way around this is to define a symbolJ : > for COPY that uses a .COM procedure which then uses f$file(... ALQ) toN : > get the allocated size, then specifies it explicitly for a COPY/ALLOCATION : > command?  ! : Have you tried COPY/NOTRUNCATE?    Duh!  Not yet.  Will do.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:19:25 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> Y Subject: Re: BACKUP/COPY change file's allocated size. WHY? How do I prevent this? this?t : Message-ID: <c0l41o$18du4f$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>   On 2004-02-14 02:24, "Z" wrote:   F > Why does COPY (and BACKUP) alter the file's allocated size (from 105C > blocks to 35 ... see below ) ?!  This is causing databases on our  > BACKUP tapes to be unusable.  H Why? Isn't it just the _allocation_ size, i.e., reserved but unused disk/ blocks, except of the first 4 blocks of course?    > $ dir/full db1.db  >      > Directory DB1_DSK:[DB] >     3 > DB1.DB;1                     File ID:  (222,23,0) . > Size:            4/105        Owner:    [DB]                    ^^^^^   105 = 3 * 35   > [...] 4 > Record format:      Fixed length 1024 byte records > [...]  >  > $ copy db1.db x.x/log  > E > %COPY-S-COPIED, DB1_DSK:[DB]DB1.DB;1 copied to DB1_DSK:[DB]X.X;1 (4 	 > blocks)  >      > $ dir/full x.x >  > Directory DB1_DSK:[DB] >     4 > X.X;1                         File ID:  (329,33,0). > Size:            4/35         Owner:    [DB]                    ^^^^  > [...] 4 > Record format:      Fixed length 1024 byte records > [...]   E A used block count of 4 (of 512 bytes each) and a fixed length record L size of 1024 result in 2 data records in both cases. So where's the problem?  F Which "cluster size" does "$ SHOW DEV /FULL DB1_DSK:" show? I'd expect1 35, i.e., each "cluster" contains 35 disk blocks.    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 09:01:59 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org& Subject: Re: Day of Year DCL procedure3 Message-ID: <Op80DmR8zg2e@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <402A863D.5070605@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes: J > I'm in a hurry and rather than reinvent another wheel, does anyone have G > a segment of a DCL procedure for returning the Day of the Year?  For  J > example, today is 11-Feb-2004, I would want the procedure to return 42, J > and this procedure must obviously take into consideration leap year and 
 > so on...I $! daynumber.com -- compute the day number within a year for a given date  $!	 $! Input:  $!K $! P1 : VMS date as text string, e.g. 01-JAN-2001.  Default = current date.  $!
 $! Output: $!L $! julian_day : Day number within year.  01-JAN => 1  31-DEC => 365 (or 366) $! $! year_number : Year number $! $ 2 $       date = f$cvtime ( p1, "ABSOLUTE", "DATE" )2 $       day = f$cvtime ( date, "ABSOLUTE", "DAY" )6 $       month = f$cvtime ( date, "ABSOLUTE", "MONTH" )4 $       year = f$cvtime ( date, "ABSOLUTE", "YEAR" ) $ c $       month_number = 1 + f$locate ( month,"JAN,FEB,MAR,APR,MAY,JUN,JUL,AUG,SEP,OCT,NOV,DEC" ) / 4 d $       month_start = f$element ( month_number, ",", ",0,31,59,90,120,151,181,212,243,273,304,334" )= $       julian_day == f$integer(month_start) + f$integer(day) f $       leap = ((year/4)*4 .eq. year  .and.  (year/100)*100 .ne. year)  .or.  (year/400)*400 .eq. yearK $       if leap .and. month_number .ge. 3 then julian_day == julian_day + 1  $       year_number == year   . Verified from 1899 through 2201.  Test script:   $       year = 1899  $ year_loop:8 $       day = 0 ! Note, day ranges from 0-365, not 1-366 $ day_loop: H $       date = f$cvtime ( "01-jan-''year'+''day'-", "ABSOLUTE", "DATE" ) $       @daynumber 'date) $       if julian_day .eqs. day+1  .or. - S            day .eq. 365  .and. year_number .eq. year + 1  .and. julian_day .eqs. 1   $       then! $               continue ! passed  $       else $               show sym date  $               show sym day# $               show sym julian_day $ $               show sym year_number $               exit
 $       endif  $       day = day + 1 * $       if day .le. 365 then goto day_loop3 $       write sys$output "Year ", year, " verified"  $       year = year + 1  $       goto year_loop   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:19:19 GMT 0 From: "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@example.com>: Subject: DCL procedure to find and delete unused accounts?7 Message-ID: <HEtXb.21578$1S1.5833@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>   D Just so I don't have to reinvent the wheel, has anyone written a DCLK procedure to find users that haven't logged in for a certain amount of time  and disable or delete them?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:00:16 +1300 1 From: Tux Wonder-Dog <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz>   Subject: Re: Hobbyist questions?4 Message-ID: <g1pXb.24141$ws.2992097@news02.tsnz.net>   Hunter Goatley wrote:    > glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: >>  > >> For which versions should we expect TCP/IP to be available? > > > I'm late answering this, but CMU-IP V6.3 ran on VAX/VMS V4.4> > through V4.7.  You should be able to find different versions5 > of CMU-IP on sites like Mark Berryman's FTP server, 0 > mvb.saic.com, which hosts old DECUS SIG tapes. > = > I don't remember exactly when in terms of VMS versions that 8 > MultiNet and TCPware came on the scene---long before I' > started working for Process Software.  > ; > Note that MultiNet and TCPware are both available free of : > charge to Hobbyists, and both support VMS on VAX back to; > V5.5-2 (in the case of MultiNet, I'm pretty sure that the 8 > current V4.4 kit will actually install on VMS V5.0 and= > later; most of it will still run on VMS V5.0), so it sounds ; > to me like your best bets would be CMU-IP (called CMU-TEK 3 > IP back then) for VMS V4.x and MultiNet for V5.x.  > 9 > For more info on the Process Software Hobbyist program,  > see our web site:  > . > http://www.process.com/openvms/hobbyist.html >  > Hunter > ------; > Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ : > goathunter@goatley.com    http://www.goatley.com/hunter/  L Well, I've got a copy of MultiNet Version 4.1 that I saved from being turfed* into the tip, and it's dated 1998.  Quote:  ' 1.3 Check OpenVMS and MultiNet Versions H Ensure your system is running VAX/VMS V5.0 or later, OpenVMS VAX V6.0 orK later, or OpenVMS Alpha V1.5 or later.  If you are not running one of these I operating system versions, you _must_ upgrade before installing MultiNet.  Closequote.   $ From the horse's mouth, so to speak.  
 Wesley Parish  --  G "Good, late in to more rewarding well."  "Well, you tonight.  And I was K lookintelligent woman of Ming home.  I trust you with a tender silence."  I C get a word into my hands, a different and unbelike, probably - 'she = fortunate fat woman', wrong word.  I think to me, I justupid. G Let not emacs meta-X dissociate-press write your romantic dialogs...!!!    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:36:11 -0600 - From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com>   Subject: Re: Hobbyist questions?: Message-ID: <3PfXb.65351$uS3.35691@bignews4.bellsouth.net>   glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > = > For which versions should we expect TCP/IP to be available?   < I'm late answering this, but CMU-IP V6.3 ran on VAX/VMS V4.4< through V4.7.  You should be able to find different versions3 of CMU-IP on sites like Mark Berryman's FTP server, . mvb.saic.com, which hosts old DECUS SIG tapes.  ; I don't remember exactly when in terms of VMS versions that 6 MultiNet and TCPware came on the scene---long before I% started working for Process Software.   9 Note that MultiNet and TCPware are both available free of 8 charge to Hobbyists, and both support VMS on VAX back to9 V5.5-2 (in the case of MultiNet, I'm pretty sure that the 6 current V4.4 kit will actually install on VMS V5.0 and; later; most of it will still run on VMS V5.0), so it sounds 9 to me like your best bets would be CMU-IP (called CMU-TEK 1 IP back then) for VMS V4.x and MultiNet for V5.x.   7 For more info on the Process Software Hobbyist program,  see our web site:   , http://www.process.com/openvms/hobbyist.html   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 8 goathunter@goatley.com    http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:37:18 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)? Subject: Re: how to determine processes started at a given time 0 Message-ID: <newscache$kbl1th$jy2$1@news.sil.at>  b In article <7e127df6.0402131259.3154d53e@posting.google.com>, thick_guy_9@yahoo.com (AMIT) writes:G >How can I find which processes were started after a given date & time,  >say 01-Feb-2004 13:00:00.00  N A simple script (about 40-50 lines) with F$PID, F$GETJPI (and maybe F$CONTEXT) and F$CVTIME   Drop me a line if you need help    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 16:12:34 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ? Subject: Re: how to determine processes started at a given time 3 Message-ID: <FcsuntC1yulu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <7e127df6.0402131259.3154d53e@posting.google.com>, thick_guy_9@yahoo.com (AMIT) writes: > hiH > How can I find which processes were started after a given date & time, > say 01-Feb-2004 13:00:00.00   8    Look in the accounting log and/or security audit log.  G    You didn't have process level accounting or auditing turned on back  &    then?  Now you need a time machine.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 07:59:22 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> ( Subject: Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!0 Message-ID: <xIqdnRvFTYYBhrPdRVn_iw@comcast.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0405020606030706020107009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   H No, I meant that politicians are indicted and convicted more frequently D than Mafia Dons!   If theMafia had a Department of Youth and Family F Services, the children in its care would not be in foster homes where D the foster parents were starving them (See recent NJ DYFS scandals).   Alan E. Feldman wrote:  l >"Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<f4mdndltd5ws5IXd4p2dnA@comcast.com>... >  >    > H >>The biggest difference between government and organized crime is that . >>organized crime is usually better organized! >>     >> > F >You mean that organized crime has a space program; a flag; elections;G >a post office; treasury bonds; social programs; army, navy, air force; E >monuments; physical, human, and community development programs; pays C >interest on the national debt; resides on the UN Security Council; E >holidays; social security; medicare; federal reserve bank; and saved @ >the world from facism in world wars? WOW! Tell us about it! ;-) >  >[...] > @ >Speaking of govt organization, I guarantee you that if you parkB >illegally overnight in my neighborhood or anytime at all at U. of@ >Maryland, College Park, you are nearly 100% guaranteed to get aG >ticket!!! (OK, U. of MD is a university, not govt, but it is a *state* 	 >school.)  >    >   & --------------040502060603070602010700) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">  <html> <head>I   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">    <title></title>  </head> ' <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> G No, I meant that politicians are indicted and convicted more frequently M than Mafia Dons!&nbsp;&nbsp; If theMafia had a Department of Youth and Family E Services, the children in its care would not be in foster homes where H the foster parents were starving them (See recent NJ DYFS scandals).<br> <br> Alan E. Feldman wrote:<br> <blockquote type="cite" ;  cite="midb096a4ee.0402131958.67811c18@posting.google.com"> &  <pre wrap="">"Richard B. Gilbert" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rgilbert88@comcast.net">&lt;rgilbert88@comcast.net&gt;</a> wrote in message news:<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:f4mdndltd5ws5IXd4p2dnA@comcast.com">&lt;f4mdndltd5ws5IXd4p2dnA@comcast.com&gt;</a>...     </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">W     <pre wrap="">The biggest difference between government and organized crime is that  , organized crime is usually better organized!
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->E You mean that organized crime has a space program; a flag; elections; F a post office; treasury bonds; social programs; army, navy, air force;D monuments; physical, human, and community development programs; paysB interest on the national debt; resides on the UN Security Council;D holidays; social security; medicare; federal reserve bank; and saved? the world from facism in world wars? WOW! Tell us about it! ;-)    [...]   ? Speaking of govt organization, I guarantee you that if you park A illegally overnight in my neighborhood or anytime at all at U. of ? Maryland, College Park, you are nearly 100% guaranteed to get a F ticket!!! (OK, U. of MD is a university, not govt, but it is a *state* school.)   </pre>
 </blockquote>  </body>  </html>   ( --------------040502060603070602010700--   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:31:36 GMT , From: "Dutchman2000" <icelord2006@yahoo.com>* Subject: Making images of RL02's under VMS; Message-ID: <cd5Xb.6627$PY.5731@newssvr26.news.prodigy.com>    Hello-  J I have several unknown RL02 platters that I would like to convert to ImageC files that I can use under SIMH and hopefully determine the format.    How can I do this using VMS?  G I can mount the paks as FOREIGN but I'm not sure what to do after that.    Anyone here know?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:11:36 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> ( Subject: Re: Microvax vs Vaxstation 31000 Message-ID: <KaWdnSbZIKHng7PdRVn-uQ@comcast.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0908020409090109080901079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   A It has been about six years since I saw either one.  I thought I  H recalled that the Model 90 case was an inch or so taller than the Model  60 case.  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:    >>Would a VAXstation  , >>4000 Model 90 fit in a 4000 Model 60 case? >>     >> > I >I have both; the boxes look the same except for the "60" or "90" on the   >front.  >  >    >   & --------------090802040909010908090107) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">  <html> <head>I   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">    <title></title>  </head> ' <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> E It has been about six years since I saw either one.&nbsp; I thought I G recalled that the Model 90 case was an inch or so taller than the Model  60 case.<br> <br>3 Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:<br> 9 <blockquote type="cite" cite="midc0khgf$siu$2@online.de">    <blockquote type="cite">$     <pre wrap="">Would a VAXstation * 4000 Model 90 fit in a 4000 Model 60 case?
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->H I have both; the boxes look the same except for the "60" or "90" on the  front.     </pre>
 </blockquote>  </body>  </html>   ( --------------090802040909010908090107--   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:50:14 -0600 / From: Clay M. Denton <denton@orison.dsserv.com> ( Subject: Re: Microvax vs Vaxstation 31008 Message-ID: <5nis20d2qqh9c1ccrm9mc1qolendgc74s2@4ax.com>  Y Same modules - not same configuration.  The 4000-60 has 6 slots - a bank is 2 SIMMs.  Max @ memory is 104MB using the 8MB onboard plus 6 16MB MS44L modules.  T The 4000-9x also uses MS44L modules - but 4 at a time.  Max memory is 128MB, using 8* SIMMs.  The 4000-9x has no onboard memory.   Clay.   R On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 07:06:55 +0000 (UTC), helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip( Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:  H >In article <c0j75s$17kqjj$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Hans Vlems"" ><hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> writes:  > . >> The VAXstation 4000 series are related, the? >> 60/90/90A/96 even use the same memory and video controllers.  > I >Interesting.  Is the maximum memory the same for the 90 and the 60?  If  A >so, it might make sense for me to swap some memory cards around.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:50:39 -0500 (EST) + From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu> ( Subject: Re: Microvax vs Vaxstation 3100H Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58-035.0402141147150.1941@unix44.andrew.cmu.edu>  = he might be thinking of the BA42A/B, which housed most of the F vaxstation and microvax 3100's. the BA42A was the lower one, the B wasB identical but about 1.5" taller. The vs3100 [34][08] came in thoseB enclosures, for example, and the 3* version came in the ba42a, theG 4* version in the ba42b. the microvax 3100/40 also came in a ba42b, and - i think the later 3100's were all in ba42b's.    > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: D > > It has been about six years since I saw either one.  I thought IK > > recalled that the Model 90 case was an inch or so taller than the Model  > > 60 case. > G > The case are identical. Even the Storage Expansion case is identical. E > Obviously the bits inside are different (although I think all 3 use  > the same PSU). > B > The VAXstation 4000 VLC is the odd one out - it has the very low > "pizza box" style case.   ! yes, the Very Little Computer :-) D the motherboard on those is small enough that  i keep thinking about making a vax laptop out of it.   isildur    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2004 12:07:00 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) 6 Subject: Re: Mozilla for OpenVMS Alpha V1.5 available!! Message-ID: <aiYXcXXIUgkJ@sinead>   f In article <cc5619f2.0402131215.5041d87c@posting.google.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes:C > Just saw the announcement that Mozilla M1.5 has been released for C > Alpha.  Thanks, VMS folks!  Its been a long wait, but its finally  > here!    Huraaa  !!!  Good news !!!   Patrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)      ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:30:29 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>6 Subject: Re: Mozilla for OpenVMS Alpha V1.5 available!0 Message-ID: <402E3105.659167FB@sture.homeip.net>   Dirk Munk wrote: >  > Rich Jordan wrote:E > > Just saw the announcement that Mozilla M1.5 has been released for E > > Alpha.  Thanks, VMS folks!  Its been a long wait, but its finally 	 > > here!  > >  > > Rich Jordan P > That is nice, but where can I find the kit? It is not on the Mozilla web site. > + > And where did you read the announcement ?   ) http://h71000.www7.hp.com/new/index.html     --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:53:20 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>6 Subject: Re: Mozilla for OpenVMS Alpha V1.5 available!0 Message-ID: <402E5280.33B9F018@sture.homeip.net>   warren sander wrote: > G > I just pulled the kit, run the .exe and product installed the pcsi it  > creates and it worked fine.  >   G I've installed it OK, but it's doing something horrible with the colour E map. The desktop and other application windows turn various shades of E blue, although this changes back when when I bring another app to the H foreground, and it's back to normal when I minimize Mozilla. The url bar+ is also black and I cannot see what I type.   D When run from an account with only NETMBCX and TMPMBX privileges, it/ gives  %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on the following files:   B [VMS$COMMON.MOZILLA.COMPONENTS]XPTI.DAT;1 - 6 times on READ access  B [VMS$COMMON.MOZILLA.CHROME]CHROME.RDF;1 - multiple times some READ access, some READ,WRITE access.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:34:02 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)6 Subject: Re: Mozilla for OpenVMS Alpha V1.5 available!0 Message-ID: <newscache$46l1th$yw2$1@news.sil.at>  f In article <cc5619f2.0402131215.5041d87c@posting.google.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes:B >Just saw the announcement that Mozilla M1.5 has been released forB >Alpha.  Thanks, VMS folks!  Its been a long wait, but its finally >here!  I It is unfortunately not installable. Hopefully it gets fixed real soon...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Feb 2004 07:10:18 EST) From: rankin@pactechdata.com (Pat Rankin) 6 Subject: Re: Need copy of VMS5.5 2H4 distribution TK50/ Message-ID: <13FEB200404101833@pactechdata.com>   4 In article <Mmf0mEA05ALAFwBp@crowfeld.demon.co.uk>,\0  Mike King <mike@crowfeld.demon.co.uk> writes... [...]  > AQ-PXL-R1. A01   > VMS V5.52H4 RMST TK50 2/2  > H > Any help with this problem would be very much appreciated, I am tryingJ > to reload VMS on to a MicroVAX 3400 under a hobbyist license and I would, > particularly like to install that version.  D      Several people have mentioned installing old versions recently,B but so far I haven't seen anyone reminding them to install the Y2KC update patch afterwards.  So consider yourself warned.  (The issues C turned out to be pretty minor but it is absurd to re-introduce such D bugs at this late date.)  The version for 5.5-2 was available to theC general public for a while and then later limited to customers with A support contracts only.  (Perhaps that was intended to goad sites A into upgrading to more recent versions--at least I can't think of C any other rational reason.)  I don't know its status these days--if E it isn't already available to hobbyists, that ought to be changed....   2                 Pat Rankin, rankin@pactechdata.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:45:35 +0000 + From: Mike King <mike@crowfeld.demon.co.uk> 6 Subject: Re: Need copy of VMS5.5 2H4 distribution TK503 Message-ID: <2z5qDBAvClLAFw26@crowfeld.demon.co.uk>S   >N >Many thanks in anticipation,S  G Thanks also to Mark Garrett for your emailed response.  I would like tovG respond directly but my emails have bounced.  Is there an obvious spam-r- block in your address that I have overlooked?o  
 Best Regards,H   Mike.r   -- h	 Mike KingA   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:05:59 GMTt" From: tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.comE Subject: obj/olb from vax. need to create source and migrate to alphas8 Message-ID: <1u7q20hl12qtb53mifeic3q4ept9hl93hi@4ax.com>  E Is there a way to get the source (either in COBOL or C) using the OBJi! file on VAX(32-Bit architecture)?c   Thanks JRKi  eC I also have this problem - migrating missing source from the VAX tox the ALPHA box....   @ Please email directly to     schiffkey  at    cfl dot rr dot com  
 Thank you, JS   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 05:42:29 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>nI Subject: RE: obj/olb from vax. need to create source and migrate to alpha 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKEDECNAA.tom@kednos.com>m     -----Original Message-----J   From: tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com [mailto:tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com])   Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 8:12 PMe   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com E   Subject: Re: obj/olb from vax. need to create source and migrate ton   alphap      	   Hi Bob,o      Thank you!MD      I emailed our client, and found out he has three 3100's sittingG   around. Thus, we should be able to get into them (hopefully they havec*   not upgraded the versions ie: 3.0(?)....   /   I promise to keep you posted on our success !n   	   Jerroldd   '   On 13 Feb 2004 16:10:35 -0600, wrote:v   <   >In article <1u7q20hl12qtb53mifeic3q4ept9hl93hi@4ax.com>, &   tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com writes:   > J   >> Is there a way to get the source (either in COBOL or C) using the OBJ&   >> file on VAX(32-Bit architecture)?   >fJ   >   Yes.  Prior to VMS 3.0 debug records in the object file were used byJ   >   the compiler to store source.  If your object file was compiled longJ   >   ago with the /debug qualifier, the source is in there.  At about 3.0F   >   the debugger simply let compilers store a record pointing to the   >   source file.   >ME   >   But if it is that old, it probably wasn't written in C.  COBOL,v+   >   Macro, Pascal, or Fortran, but not C.  or PL/I, VaxC or SCAN  m   ---V(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.566 / Virus Database: 357 - Release Date: 1/22/2004    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.566 / Virus Database: 357 - Release Date: 1/22/2004   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 16:10:35 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)LI Subject: Re: obj/olb from vax. need to create source and migrate to alphas3 Message-ID: <hgEKzKo$rynU@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  ] In article <1u7q20hl12qtb53mifeic3q4ept9hl93hi@4ax.com>, tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com writes:a  G > Is there a way to get the source (either in COBOL or C) using the OBJs# > file on VAX(32-Bit architecture)?l  G    Yes.  Prior to VMS 3.0 debug records in the object file were used byeG    the compiler to store source.  If your object file was compiled longsG    ago with the /debug qualifier, the source is in there.  At about 3.0fC    the debugger simply let compilers store a record pointing to theD    source file.   B    But if it is that old, it probably wasn't written in C.  COBOL,(    Macro, Pascal, or Fortran, but not C.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:23:23 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>4 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Feelings C Message-ID: <fd4Xb.467$s6M.84@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>d   Sue Skonetski wrote:E > Forgive the spelling mistakes, but since we are family I figure you. > will understand. >pF > Since I can not officially recommend anything, I am doing this on my* > own time. How about these for some ideas   <snip> > A > When VMS is not mentioned in articles, write a note asking why.r  @ I agree with you on many points Sue, but here's where we differ.  F The lack of mentions of VMS in articles in the trade press is a DIRECTJ result of HP not doing its job of advertising and raising awareness of VMSE to the potential consumers of VMS. Do you really think that the 25-30rH year-old junior staffers who write these articles that don't mention VMSK even know what VMS is? Of course not - the product has no 'mind share' with J the press because HP doesn't advertise it in their publications, and these! kids never used it in university.h   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 23:20:14 -0800, From: sapphos@carolina.rr.com (Becca Putman)0 Subject: OpenVMS on AlphaPC (PC164 motherboard)?= Message-ID: <cfc74b14.0402132320.56a35871@posting.google.com>r  D I've heard it can be done, but so far I haven't had much success.  IF don't have any SCSI drives in this machine, only an IDE drive.  I take@ it that OpenVMS doesn't do IDE?  I ask, because that's where theD OpenVMS Alpha CD seems to get confused... it'll hit the CD, then hitE the IDE drive a bit, then reset something (the keyboard lights flash)lB then the CD again, then the IDE, pause a moment, flash the lights, repeat ad nauseum.  E Anyway, I'm looking to pick up a QLogic SCSI card (been told to get atD 10x0 series) and a DE500 ethernet card from eBay.  Once I have those4 (I have SCSI drives) should OpenVMS run on this box?  
 Thank you! Becca5   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:24:01 -0500a3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>o4 Subject: Re: OpenVMS on AlphaPC (PC164 motherboard)?0 Message-ID: <cJidnY3KOML-vLPd4p2dnA@comcast.com>  F Try to get the DEC versions of the Qlogic cards.  The firmware in the H DEC/Compaq/Qlogic is probably different from the plain Qlogic version.   VMS does not like brand X!!r  C Just for grins, I put a Sun dual UWSE card in an Alphastation 200, gD connected a system disk and tried to boot.  The firmware saw a SCSI E controller, found the disk read the bootblock and loaded APB.EXE and  I then SYSBOOT.   At that point the boot failed;  VMS didn't recognize the tG the SCSI card.  I might have been able to boot using the on board SCSI u8 and configured the driver using SYSGEN but I didn't try.   Becca Putman wrote:E  E >I've heard it can be done, but so far I haven't had much success.  I.G >don't have any SCSI drives in this machine, only an IDE drive.  I takelA >it that OpenVMS doesn't do IDE?  I ask, because that's where theQE >OpenVMS Alpha CD seems to get confused... it'll hit the CD, then hitLF >the IDE drive a bit, then reset something (the keyboard lights flash)C >then the CD again, then the IDE, pause a moment, flash the lights,o >repeat ad nauseum.P >sF >Anyway, I'm looking to pick up a QLogic SCSI card (been told to get aE >10x0 series) and a DE500 ethernet card from eBay.  Once I have thoseR5 >(I have SCSI drives) should OpenVMS run on this box?o >p >Thank you!  >Becca >  4 >5   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 07:44:39 -0600 (CST)c From: sms@antinode.org4 Subject: Re: OpenVMS on AlphaPC (PC164 motherboard)?) Message-ID: <04021407443916@antinode.org>   3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>d  H > Try to get the DEC versions of the Qlogic cards.  The firmware in the J > DEC/Compaq/Qlogic is probably different from the plain Qlogic version.   > VMS does not like brand X!!   E    I've had no trouble with generic QLogic ISP1040B cards under VMS. uH There's one in my "new" PWS 500a, for example.  On the other hand, Tru64C _really_ gets upset by one.  It's been a while, but as I recall, ithA looks as if the driver wants to load the thing with new firmware,BE doesn't like what it sees, and then loops.  It's pretty fatal.  (SameoC results with cards labeled "SGI  p/n  9980983".  The chips with the * white labels all say "AA67A", by the way.)  F    It's been even longer, but as I (dimly) recall, a generic 1020 card: did _not_ work under VMS, despite a hope-inducing entry in SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$CONFIG.DAT.  H    That said, I have no experience with the main board under discussion.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547a   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 13:18:02 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)hI Subject: Re: OpenVMS thrashes slowaris and aix in cluster tco/virus studyl3 Message-ID: <K$X$HGaBv84r@eisner.encompasserve.org>-   In article <c0i9ip$mmv$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  > > OpenVMS doesn't scale to more than 16 CPU's reliably, so the< > likelyhood of the TechFoolish study finding enough OpenVMS9 > customers using fully configured GS320/GS1280's runningt > OpenVMS is vanishingly low.e  H    Sigh.  VMS was working fine on 24 CPUs years ago.  I know, I used it,     managaed it, and measured it.  <    What's not so clear is how well the SMP provisions scale.  B    This is VMS.  SMP is not the only way to run multiple CPUs in a<    single system.  We have real clusters, not just NFS toys.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 16:07:58 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)mI Subject: Re: OpenVMS thrashes slowaris and aix in cluster tco/virus studyo3 Message-ID: <ONV$tZCdrfXD@eisner.encompasserve.org>1  a In article <zA9Xb.27339$yE5.102621@attbi_s54>, glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:t > < > Hacking rates are not so much related to how good a system' > is, but how much of a target it is.         Both are relavent.u   > I still remember thatt< > we were still running SunOS machines when Solaris became a > hacking target.s  F    I still remember we were running VMS when nobody outside of Berkely?    ran UNIX.  So what do you think hackers were targeting then?0   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:08:19 +0000 (UTC)0 From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.ukT Subject: Re: OpenVMS thrashes slowaris and aix in cluster tco/virus study ... again!( Message-ID: <c0lkm3$j6$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>  a In article <zA9Xb.27339$yE5.102621@attbi_s54>, glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes: & > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy : ><Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message - >news:<c0i9ip$mmv$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >o >(snip): >  >i; >Hacking rates are not so much related to how good a systemo< >is, but how much of a target it is.   I still remember that; >we were still running SunOS machines when Solaris became ab< >hacking target.  SunOS had more known bugs, but Solaris was; >popular for running web servers.  Since that time, Windowsl= >NT and 2000 became popular web server OS, and joined Solariso >as a hacking target.  >l> >If VMS can approach Solaris and Win2K in terms of running web@ >servers, then I am sure it will also increase as a hack target. >y  G This is the same garbage Microsoft tries to sell to show that it isn't -H really insecure it's just noone else has as many systems to be targeted.  L The fact that IIS has historically been much less secure than Apache despiteJ Apache having a much bigger market share shows that this is total rubbish.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University       >-- glen >e >-- glen >e   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 13:23:39 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 3 Subject: Re: OT: Windows has become open source :-)b3 Message-ID: <nNsaW5W$kGOh@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  V In article <402CFD3C.11DBC7DC@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > I > However, this makes for interesting copyright issues. If a company's ITnO > infrastruicture is so insecure that its copyrighted materials can flow out of1H > the vaults so easily, can the company really claim a copyright on it ?  G   I hope not.  A hacker once get a copy of the VMS source.  Even though,H   that doens't expose lots of security holes (because they aren't there)*   I hope DEC didn't loose copyright on it.     8-)"      ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 07:28:51 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)l> Subject: re: puzzle involving ALLOCLASS and SET VOLUME/REBUILD3 Message-ID: <GyRNn$E$NHTj@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  w In article <c0h0u4$tv7$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:r > M > SYSMAN> do pipe sh sys/noproc ; write sys$output f$getsyi("hw_name") ; SET  ! > VOLUME/REBUILD/LOG DISK$SCRATCHd4 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DANEELK > OpenVMS V7.3  on node DANEEL  13-FEB-2004 00:01:55.57  Uptime  3 15:37:373 > VAX 4000-100A + > %SET-I-MODIFIED, _ELIJAH$DKA200: modifieda4 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node GLADIAM > OpenVMS V7.3-1  on node GLADIA  13-FEB-2004 00:02:02.89  Uptime  3 15:37:27_ > DEC 3000 - M300LX ( > %SET-I-MODIFIED, _$44$DKA200: modified4 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node ELIJAHK > OpenVMS V7.3  on node ELIJAH  13-FEB-2004 00:02:03.78  Uptime  3 15:38:09w > VAXstation 4000-60+ > %SET-I-MODIFIED, _ELIJAH$DKA200: modified 	 > SYSMAN>  > H > Why is the disk sometimes referred to with the ALLOCLASS and sometimesI > with the NODE name?  Is it a VAX/ALPHA or a 7.3/7.3-1 thing?  (There isaD > no 7.3-1 VAX, and I never ran 7.3 ALPHA.)  I only have a couple ofE > non-shadowed disks; shadowed ones show up as _DSAxxx: on all nodes.@ > C > The behaviour is the same regardless of what machine the disk is   > physically connected to. >   F    The rule of thumb is ALLOCLASS 0 is no allocation class, so use the
    node name.n  F    As far as why the "same" disk shows up with different names, I haveH    no reason to believe its the same disk.  I infer from your discussionE    that you have a mixed architecture cluster, that means you have ataG    least two system disks.  Generally one runs SYSMAN from a privilegedpH    account, such as SYSTEM.  Since SYS$SCRATCH defaults to SYS$LOGIN andD    SYS$LOGIN defaults to the system disk for the SYSTEM account, I'd?    assume that you are actually looking at two different disks.6  D    Perhaps you can show us something convincing that you really have)    two different names for the same disk?a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:36:42 -0500." From: "BillC" <bclark_at_lrgh.org>I Subject: QUESTION - Basic setup of SMTP , simple e-mail notification task-2 Message-ID: <YI-dna4aCZLcfLHd4p2dnA@metrocast.net>  	 greetingsoD     have been thwarted by the online OpenVMS Documentation and wouldD     like some guidance in setting up TCPIP / SMTP on an AlphaServer.  E     the requirement is simple 'E-Mail' notification, possibly with ani
 attachment0     of an error-log. TCPIP is version 5.1 ECO 4.       thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:29:22 -0500n" From: "BillC" <bclark_at_lrgh.org>M Subject: Re: QUESTION - Basic setup of SMTP , simple e-mail notification taske2 Message-ID: <QrKdnQdT64oHcLHdRVn-gg@metrocast.net>  	 greetings L     yes, i see my question would not make as much sense to anyone who is not me... sorry...I     i have SMTP Enabled, but none of the configuration steps seem to haveM
 been done.J     specifically the 'Gateway' and 'Alternate Gateway', and other things i may not be aware     of. H     the error i receive when trying your suggested command: (From within VaxMail)....       Subject: Returned mail    ' ---- Transcript of session follows ----e  3 %TCPIP-E-SMTP_UNKHST, remote host unknown, lrgh.orgd, -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown    ---- Unsent message follows ----  % Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:23:09 -0400n. Message-Id: <04021310230965@lakes.allegra.com>         thanks again..  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message"# news:402CEB2F.762A8E0B@istop.com...f > BillC wrote:I > >     the requirement is simple 'E-Mail' notification, possibly with anu > > attachment4 > >     of an error-log. TCPIP is version 5.1 ECO 4. >gE > You need to be a bit more precise about what you do not understand.: >1F > If the task is to send a log file to some internet address, then the	 followings
 > will do it:- > J > $ MAIL thefile.log "smtp%""pastry@chocolate.com""" /subject="This is the subject"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:50:08 -0500e" From: "BillC" <bclark_at_lrgh.org>M Subject: Re: QUESTION - Basic setup of SMTP , simple e-mail notification taskU2 Message-ID: <3LGdnemSRp7lb7HdRVn-iQ@metrocast.net>  L hi - TCPIP is indeed setup and functional. i use IP for printing, TELNET for interactive sessions,aL     etc. SHOW SERVICE SMTP shows that the service is enabled... but not much else:s     TCPIP> sho service smtp/fult  
 Service: SMTPb-                            State:     EnableddG Port:               25     Protocol:  TCP             Address:  0.0.0.0eJ Inactivity:          5     User_name: TCPIP$SMTP      Process:  TCPIP$SMTPE Limit:              10     Active:        0           Peak:         0e  2 File:         TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_RUN.COM Flags:        Listen   Socket Opts:  Rcheck Scheck 0  Receive:            0     Send:               0  K Log Opts:     Acpt Actv Dactv Conn Error Exit Logi Logo Mdfy Rjct TimO Addrr>  File:        SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_RUN.LOG   Security  Reject msg:  not definedw  Accept host: 0.0.0.0   Accept netw: 0.0.0.0-   tia.  7 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in messagee) news:402CFB26.2A79D39@sture.homeip.net...) > BillC wrote: > > 
 > > greetingssH > >     have been thwarted by the online OpenVMS Documentation and wouldH > >     like some guidance in setting up TCPIP / SMTP on an AlphaServer. > >_I > >     the requirement is simple 'E-Mail' notification, possibly with ant > > attachment4 > >     of an error-log. TCPIP is version 5.1 ECO 4. > >a >tG > Have you got basic TCP/IP set up already, or do you need instructions  > from the start?o >e > -- > Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:15:04 -0500e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>M Subject: Re: QUESTION - Basic setup of SMTP , simple e-mail notification task-) Message-ID: <402CF803.A55C5906@istop.com>    BillC wrote:5 > %TCPIP-E-SMTP_UNKHST, remote host unknown, lrgh.orgw. > -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown   this would be a DNS issue.   do the following:g  $ $ @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$DEFINE_COMMANDS  
 $ NSLOOKUP
 > SET TYPE=MXh
 > LRGH.ORG  M This should provide a positive response, complete with "mail exchangers".  If H it does not, then the problem is with the bind client on that node which. doesn't seem to be able to resolve host names.   $ TCPIP SHOW NAMEl  L It should show some IP address (or adresses) in the "Servers" line under the System: "paragraph"-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:12:56 -0500B" From: "BillC" <bclark_at_lrgh.org>M Subject: Re: QUESTION - Basic setup of SMTP , simple e-mail notification task@2 Message-ID: <5badndfryNJNarHdRVn-hw@metrocast.net>  B ahhh. i see now that i have much more work to do.. thanks. i guess< i will have to re-enter the world of online documentation...   $ TCPIP SHOW NAME: ...............a  Systemd     State:     Started, Disabled     Transport: UDP	   Domain:f   Retry:     Not defined   Timeout:   Not defined   Servers:    No values definedt   Path:       No values definedo    Process     State:     Disabledr     Transport:	   Domain:    Retry:
   Timeout:
   Servers:7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagee# news:402CF803.A55C5906@istop.com...m > BillC wrote:7 > > %TCPIP-E-SMTP_UNKHST, remote host unknown, lrgh.orgi0 > > -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown >e > this would be a DNS issue. >u > do the following:c >e& > $ @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$DEFINE_COMMANDS >a > $ NSLOOKUP > > SET TYPE=MXo > > LRGH.ORG >mK > This should provide a positive response, complete with "mail exchangers".p IfJ > it does not, then the problem is with the bind client on that node which0 > doesn't seem to be able to resolve host names. >e > $ TCPIP SHOW NAME  >tJ > It should show some IP address (or adresses) in the "Servers" line under theS > System: "paragraph"a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:34:04 -0500h1 From: Dieter Montanez <dieter@plantcomputers.com>P% Subject: Re: Renaissance of VAX-VMS ?g9 Message-ID: <xNtXb.44201$8a5.5144@bignews1.bellsouth.net>u   Didier,s  = I didn't know that VAXes actually "control" nuclear reactors,1= at least not here in the USA. Most Nuclear Plants here in thef? USA do also run VAXes, mostly using an application called SAIC-1< PMS but these are Information Systems only and do not really= execute any control on the actual plant I&C. They do actuallyt< interface I/O systems (like RTP G2) but they do not send any control information to them.  @ Just out of curiosity, is this different in France's EDF NPP's ?  > FRAMATOME the most likely builder of most french NPP does alsoB not provide any solutions for migrating VAX (SAIC-PMS or whatever)@ to any new DEC based system. They provide new solutions based on@ SIEMENS TXS and TXP which perform IC based controls with SIEMENSB S5 based PLC and Information Systems (OM690) based on SUN Hardware and Solaris OS.l  ? The new NPP to be build in Finalnd (EPR) will also have SIEMENSa0 I&C and OM 690 (Operation & Monitoring) systems.  D Ovewr the last couple of years I have spend quite some times workingA on VMS based VAXes and I must say I really like them and I'm very<A impressed what they can do out of such limited resources. I wouldeE even recommend some of the NPP's to first migrate to something newer rC (alpha perhaps) in order to cope with some obsolescnence issues buteC on the other hand you can get lots of spare parts for VAXen here in  the US, and this very cheap. on   regardst   Dieter    
 vive l'Atom !s         >  >   -----Original Message------ >   From: Didier Morandi [mailto:no@spam.com]a* >   Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 5:37 PM >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi) >   Subject: Re: Renaissance of VAX-VMS ?s >    >    >   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: >   > Didier Morandi wrote:  >   > I >   >> Come to the VAXUS Symposium in Paris in June and you'll know more.y >   >>M >   > Non-sense!  HP has made the future of VMS on VAX rather clear, so your  D >   > cat-and-mouse game to imply that there is more to know is not K >   > appropriate and you should not be encouraging the spending of travel   >   > funds for nothing. >   I >   I'm sorry, Barry, but I cannot fully react to your remarks in public.- >    >   I can just say that: >   C >   I do not play "cat and mouse", I'm a professional with a fame,   >   and I also have ? >   Electricite de France (EDF) here who control their nuclear   >   reactors with VAX/VMS. >   B >   The VAX/VMS obsolescence issue *is* a very serious issue. The  >   migration of  D >   thousand of lines of code from VAX/VMS to Itanium is not a game  >   at all. HP has sD >   to answer the questions that a LOT of CEOs will ask during that  >   meeting (if I I >   succeed to alert the Press, which is unfortunately not yet the case).d >   C >   I even considered to send a letter to my Government to explain   >   that most of the nC >   French mission critical IT systems are running on VAX/VMS, and E >   these users have -F >   no other future than migrating to Itanium, which is an issue that  >   HP France does -E >   not adress yet. HP France answer to my Customers is today "don't h >   worry, Mister A >   Customer, we will take you to VMS i64". They will "take" 160 h >   tools machines  F >   running DEC DNC-11 on VAX since 20 years to i64? How will they do  >   that? Nonsense.i >   E >   I have another future for these Customers. Actually Robert Boers s >   has, with his A >   CHARON-VAX serie of products. As you know, VAX/VMS users are 2 >   happy users. When J >   you talk to them about migration, they smile. Here is another problem. >   C >   When the EDF CEO, or the SNECMA one, or the Airbus one, or the h >   France Telecom uB >   one or or or... will learn that they do have systems in their  >   labs which are  B >   obsolete since more than ten years, with no future other than  >   "migrating" to oE >   Itanium, I bet that there will be s** in the fan. I do hope that s >   HP will show oB >   up at the VAXUS Symposium with answers, because there will be  >   lots of questions. >  > Don't forget EADSg >    @F >   Something else, please avoid personal judjements on my intentions. >    >   Thanks,9 >    >   D. >    >   ---?* >   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.> >   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).D >   Version: 6.0.566 / Virus Database: 357 - Release Date: 1/22/2004 >    > ----( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.566 / Virus Database: 357 - Release Date: 1/22/2004 >    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 08:25:24 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)h- Subject: Reversed links for joining Encompass 3 Message-ID: <2PNJsDog4Yp+@eisner.encompasserve.org>S  E    A fellow I know is trying to join Encompass as an associate as thea+    first step in getting hobbyist licenses.9  B    Currently on www.encompassus.org when one follows the links forA    "join today" for an associate member, one comes to the form at =    https://secure2.sba.com/encompass/memberApp/associate.cfm 4  B    This form requires it's first field "Associate ID".  As a newly6    joining member he doesn't have an associate ID yet.      The form for "renew online" eF    (https:////secure2.sba.com/encompass/memberApp/associate_renew.cfm)#    has the "Associate ID" optional.   @    I will send a copy of this to the information@encompassus.org=    address which is the only email address I see on the page.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:39:41 +1300:1 From: Tux Wonder-Dog <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz>.1 Subject: Re: Reversed links for joining Encompass 4 Message-ID: <_JoXb.24139$ws.2991587@news02.tsnz.net>   glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:   > Bob Koehler wrote: > H >>    A fellow I know is trying to join Encompass as an associate as the. >>    first step in getting hobbyist licenses. >> 3E >>    Currently on www.encompassus.org when one follows the links for D >>    "join today" for an associate member, one comes to the form at? >>    https://secure2.sba.com/encompass/memberApp/associate.cfmu >>  E >>    This form requires it's first field "Associate ID".  As a newly 9 >>    joining member he doesn't have an associate ID yet.s > 8 > I put in 123456 and hoped someone would figure it out. > @ > Maybe that is why mine hasn't gone through yet, though I don't > think the 10 days are up yet.P > 	 > -- glen G I put in a quick sideways sequence from the Qwerty keyboard plus simplexF number sequence and it seemed to be accepted.  E.g., alphanumeric like qwer456.  C I took a snapshot of the page, though, _just_ _in_ _case_.  It pays.D sometimes to take such precautions - but it seemed to be acceptable.  
 Wesley Parishm -- rG "Good, late in to more rewarding well."  "Well, you tonight.  And I wascK lookintelligent woman of Ming home.  I trust you with a tender silence."  IiC get a word into my hands, a different and unbelike, probably - 'she>= fortunate fat woman', wrong word.  I think to me, I justupid.uG Let not emacs meta-X dissociate-press write your romantic dialogs...!!!o   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 07:23:04 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)=0 Subject: Re: Searching for VMS 5.x documentation3 Message-ID: <RoOKHfqgFdjv@eisner.encompasserve.org>_  X In article <c0h06c$nmb$1@news.worldonline.be>, "Seghers Bruno" <tips@euronet.be> writes:J > Somebody has told me that there is a beautifull explanation of how works& > memory in the VMS 5.x documentation. > M > He things that it's in the "Tuning" book, and it's a comparison between VMS 4 > memory mechanism and the management of a warehouse  G    Nope.  It's in the VMS 3.6 version of the doc set.  I'd sure like to=-    know who's decision it was to take it out.=   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:50:37 +0000 (UTC)0 From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk0 Subject: Re: Searching for VMS 5.x documentation) Message-ID: <c0irod$2h3$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>.  ] In article <402CE389.245C7232@sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:c >Bob Koehler wrote:. >>  [ >> In article <c0h06c$nmb$1@news.worldonline.be>, "Seghers Bruno" <tips@euronet.be> writes: M >> > Somebody has told me that there is a beautifull explanation of how works ) >> > memory in the VMS 5.x documentation.n >> >P >> > He things that it's in the "Tuning" book, and it's a comparison between VMS7 >> > memory mechanism and the management of a warehousea >> aJ >>    Nope.  It's in the VMS 3.6 version of the doc set.  I'd sure like to0 >>    know who's decision it was to take it out. >!B >I'm fairly sure it was there from either 3.0 or maybe 3.1 or 3.2. >tH >Yes, a shame it went missing. It was also my opinion that the V4 docsetE >dumbed down on the RMS details, although I could be mixing up the V3 + >documentation with the RMS-11 manual here.  >a  K I'm sure it was in a later version of the Doc set. I only started using VMShO with version 4.5 and I remember reading the warehouse analogy. It may well haves" still been in the VMS 5.x doc set.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University         >--  >Paul Sture    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 13:07:19 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler);0 Subject: Re: Searching for VMS 5.x documentation3 Message-ID: <L95sSaD7wRTW@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  \ In article <402CF811.21D0100@sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: > I > I stand corrected then. I must have got further up the V3.n path than IGC > had remembered when working at the customer site where I read it.s >   F    We got lots of updates that we applied to the doc set but only some,    of them we applied to production systems.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:40:53 GMTh& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>= Subject: Re: Solved: "Known problems with V7.3 security MUP?"i8 Message-ID: <cbop20l8qfsetdmj3h7nqorr662b1c0hgr@4ax.com>  E On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:55:30 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyt. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:  
 >jlsue wrote:R   >>  I >> Except that most of the OpenVMS Security folks in here have never made-H >> claims like what you're trying to debunk.  There have been one or twoB >> people, but the rest have been much more reasonable about it.   >>   >F: >Well  Bob, Bob, Keith, Mark and yourself adds up to 5 not! >1 or 2 but lets not split hairs.   I I know of at least one of those (myself) for which your statement is just F not true.  Kinda makes me suspicious of the rest of your claims.  As II recall it, only one person is really pulling your chain in this area, the B rest are only responding to specific security issues you bring up.   >>  N >> Most also acknowledge that the networking stack, web server, etc,, may alsoK >> introduce some vulnerabilities... but we also recognize that these don'trB >> always open *security* holes, or even result in a DOS attack.   >> t >i@ >Thats obvious and its not the issue, the issue is that when the? >holes do exist either for DOS or worse they don't get reportedr >accurately if at all.  C They generally do get patches, but those may not always follow CERTiH processes.  Again, the question of CERT as a measure is silly to most ofE us.  We've agreed with you time and again, but you just don't want totH acknowledge that; and instead persist in these meaningless dart-throwing! activities...  why would that be?    >nA >In addition because some of the holes appear in layered products B >the pervading culture tries to pretend that these are not OpenVMS >issues. >u  K Again, OpenVMS engineering would not be the source of the patches.  There'sFH no governing body to specify that all products utilize CERT for securityC releases.  They do get released, but through normal, internal patche distribution channels.   --- jlso0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 13:13:14 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s= Subject: Re: Solved: "Known problems with V7.3 security MUP?"e3 Message-ID: <BMENAMFhRspB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <cbop20l8qfsetdmj3h7nqorr662b1c0hgr@4ax.com>, jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> writes:gG > On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:55:30 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyc0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >>jlsue wrote: >  >>> J >>> Except that most of the OpenVMS Security folks in here have never madeI >>> claims like what you're trying to debunk.  There have been one or twoeC >>> people, but the rest have been much more reasonable about it.  @ >>>  >>; >>Well  Bob, Bob, Keith, Mark and yourself adds up to 5 not@" >>1 or 2 but lets not split hairs. >   I    I don't make the kind of security claims that he tries to debunk.  He .D    just doens't like it when I debunk his.  Wants to throw us all inD    with the fellows claiming CERTs are a measure of security.  Can't@    deal with the simple fact that we have better data than CERT.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:19:54 GMTr( From: Barry <barrynospam-news@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Tape Problemo? Message-ID: <_G7Xb.2225$t16.1797119@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>0  * Sorry I spelled your name wrong, Winfried.   Barry wrote:   > Thanks, Winifried, > H > A tape broke in the drive the other day, and I'll bet there's still a 8 > piece in there. It may be time to put in a call to HP. >  > Winfried Bergmann wrote: > L >> The term "medium offline" means the tape itself (the medium) is "offline"B >> (damaged, broken, unreadable). Have you tried a different tape? >> >  >    -- u
 barry in indye   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:41:22 +0400 3 From: "Gordon Robb" <gordon@emirates.nospam.net.ae> ? Subject: Re: Unknown identifier DECW$WS_QUOTA in rightslist.dat 2 Message-ID: <c0kmv9$8201@news-dxb.emirates.net.ae>  > "Gordon Robb" <gordon@emirates.nospam.net.ae> wrote in message( news:c0g4ca$5vs6@news.emirates.net.ae... >tB > I had just completed the installation of a new VMS 7.3-1 cluster@ > when I noticed that I had an new identifier in rightslist.dat. >r? > The identifier is DECW$WS_QUOTA and has a value of %X8001001.m > D > The cluster nodes have separate system disks but use a common disk? > for sysuaf and other common data files. The SYS$NODE_nodename E > identifier for the first cluster node has a value of %X8001000 withRB > the other nodes having sequential values from %X8001002 upwards. >gE > I have made the usual documentation and internet searches but can't2I > find any relevant information as to the source and reason for existence  > of this identifier.  > G > I would like to remove and reuse its value (i.e. rename it) as I neede> > to import data, with specific ACLs, from a previous cluster. >i* > Any help or advice would be appreciated. >c >  >y% Thanks Peter and Martin for the help.a  @ My ISP's NEWS server is a bit slow on updates but I've read your replies on Google.  ; The DECW$WS_QUOTA identifier is a new feature of VMS 7.3-2.i  : Peter's output from the HELP SET DISPLAY /QUOTA sent me inG the right direction. I had been searching all the release notes and new-: features documentation for VMS releases 7.3-1 and earlier.  G This identifier appeared in my 7.3-1 installation of VMS as I had takenDI the opportunity, of recently received 7.3-2 media, to do some application  compatibility testing.  J After the testing I had reinitialised the system disks and installed 7.3-1H and required patches. Although I use separate system disks I still use a= common disk for SYSUAF.DAT, Queue Manager database files etc.nJ I had obviously overlooked the need to refresh these files with the resultB that RIGHTSLIST.DAT now contained a new identifier from VMS 7.3-2.  F I have always been wary about changes to the structure of these files,K while upgrading VMS on the clusters I look after. It's looks as though it'slF not only necessary to do things like disable Volume Shadowing but it'sK also important to return all these files to their original locations beforei starting the upgrade.p  H While a change in structure has probably not been such a great risk, theG chance of a change in parameters within the files now looks more likely-6 and would appear to be less obvious or easy to detect.   Gordon Robb    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:00:02 +0100m" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com># Subject: VAXUS: Symposium cancelledm4 Message-ID: <402d1eba$0$28136$636a15ce@news.free.fr>  O The VAXUS Symposium, which was scheduled for June the 25th, 2004, in Paris has .Q been cancelled due to the lack of publicity from the so-called specialized Press.   P Read our open letter to the French so-called specialized Press at www.waxus.org 
 (French only)h   D. -- y2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928C$                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 05:25:54 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-23 Message-ID: <OwGe8OwycYuk@eisner.encompasserve.org>4  c In article <402CA216.AA396C8D@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:  > Mike Naime wrote:  >> gI >> Our App will not be certified for 7.3-2 until sometime in June.  So nofL >> production clusters at this time.  July, August, and September should seeM >> some 100+ OS packs  upgraded to 7.3-2.  I'm hoping that they will have theg' >> first update patch out by then.  :-)p > 3 > Any special reason you are *hoping* for a patch ?o7 > Wouldn't it be better if no patch was needed at all ?r  9 For those who don't use Command Recall or F$ENVIRONMENT ?t  = http://eisner.decus.org/DECUServe/DECnotes/VMS/2841.2006.HTMLI   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 15:22:08 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)w Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-2- Message-ID: <402cdd90$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>c  4 In article <iyPWb.36174$QX4.24478@clgrps13>, Lee Mah  <lytmah@telusplanet.net> writes:D >Has anyone implemented VMS 7.3-2 into a production environment yet?) >If so, what issues have you encountered?t >e >,  F The Multinet-server (V4.4a) process rwasts (don't know if it's HP's or Process' fault.).   	 Eberhard n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:44:00 GMTA" From: GreyCloud <mist@Cumulus.com> Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-27 Message-ID: <k97Xb.766$ss.22599@bcandid.telisphere.com>a   Alan Frisbie wrote:   " > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > ? >> In article <402BE589.9060702@Flying-Disk.com>, Alan Frisbie -+ >> <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes:: >  >  >> > Lee Mah wrote:@ >  > J >> > > Has anyone implemented VMS 7.3-2 into a production environment yet?/ >> > > If so, what issues have you encountered?i >  > E >> > The firmware on our 1000A was version 5.5 and v7.3-2 wanted 5.7, F >> > but 5.7 was more than three years old and was not on the firmwareG >> > CD.   I had to go find an old firmware CD.   I don't consider thisv; >> > a VMS problem -- more of a hardware maintenance issue.. >  > 1 >> Oh, haven't you heard, they are still online ?oE >> http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/archive/as1000a.htmls >  > C > Yes, but it was faster to go find the CD than to download it overa= > that sorry excuse for an Internet connection we have.   :-(aD > We're 23,000 feet from the telco CO, so we can't get ADSL.   ThereE > is no cable in the neighborhood.   The best we can get is IDSL (DSLnE > over an ISDN line).   144kbps max if nobody else in the building iso! > downloading photos, music, etc.n > C > The irony is that three of the fattest fiber pipes in the countryn* > are just 50 feet from our property line.  H Looks like you're going to have to purchase a Hughes satellite internet  dish.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:49:40 +0100 4 From: Per =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schr=F6der?= <per@mimer.se> Subject: Re: VMS and Unicode2 Message-ID: <c0irbr$dbv$1@yggdrasil.glocalnet.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:  = > In article <d28306e.0402111018.7c89d68@posting.google.com>,r. > denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich) writes: >> KG >> As I understand the Unicode issue, it means that any given charactereH >> may consist of a byte stream of from 1 to many bytes. I don't know if' >> the byte count is fixed or variable.s > ? >    Single byte Unicode maps to ASCII, and is the most common.   J Unicode contains more than 70,000 characters. There are several different I encodings used, but the "variable byte encoding" is most likely UTF-8. A  L property of UTF-8 is that all ASCII characters are encoded as-is (one byte)  in an UTF-8 file.a  F Note that ASCII is a 7-bit encoding and contains only 128 code points.    For more general info, see here:  + http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html  http://www.unicode.org   > C >> Using this bytestream, it is possible to encode most symbols and & >> characters in most major languages. >>  @ >> We need to map some of those characters to the ASCII that our# >> applications know how to handle.  >> tH >> So, there will be some bit pattern that identifies the "euro currencyB >> character" (I picked this because its probably not in the ASCIII >> character set). When this is encountered, our ASCII-based software can H >> make some internal 'notation' that the currency to follow is in Euros >> rather than in yen or pesos.u >  >    Euro is in ASCII now.  3 No, it is not. ASCII contains only 128 code points.uK DEC multinational was a character set that extended the 128 code points to h/ use all 256 code points usable in a 8-bit byte.-M The ISO 8859-1 (aka Latin-1) standard developed later. It is very similar to h3 Dec Multinational and differs in only a few places.aE When the euro symbol was included, the ISO 8859-15 character set was n% created. It is similar to ISO 8859-1.3  5 http://wwwwbs.cs.tu-berlin.de/user/czyborra/charsets/l* http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/latin9.html  I Do you think all these character sets are becoming messy? Prepare to use n Unicode instead!     >> tB >> I took a cursory look at the VMS doc CD but didn't come up with >> anything startling. > I >    LIB$MOVTC is a good place to start, but was designed for single byteeA >    character sets.  LIB$TRA_EBC_ASC and LIB$TRA_ASC_EBC use it.e > C >    Of course, if you program in Macro-32 MOVTC is an instruction.s  F In your C program, use the type wchar_t to represent a single Unicode H character point. This datatype is 4 bytes long on OpenVMS. (Some people I (Java, Windows) got it all wrong and thought 2 bytes would do. Trying to l? fit more than 70,000 character points into that becomes messy.)M  F On VMS use UTF-8 as an external representation. On Windows, UTF-16 is K popular (use 2 bytes per code point), but this can become messy on OpenVMS rK since VMS has its own different ideas on how lines (records) are separated  6 in files. Use UTF-8 for the least number of surprises.  H Use C RTL routines to convert between external (file) encodings and the I internal wchar_t format. Also use wide character string routines in C to 2 perform string operations.  G http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/c/docs/5763p016.html#widechar_sectb   Regardss
 /Per Schrders http://developer.mimer.ser   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:06:07 GMTi) From: Alfred Falk <falk@arc.REMOVE.ab.ca> 6 Subject: Re: What kind of memory for AlphaServer 1000?7 Message-ID: <Xns948E5C96EB60Afalkarcabca@198.80.55.250>t  + John Travell <john@travell.uk.net> wrote in 3 news:c0ilgb$17elrs$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de: r   > DAVID TURNER wrote:n! >> The AS1000a uses the followinge >> s, >> X x 36Bit Parity SIMMS (Gold is standard)H >> Largest SIMM is 64MB and these must be installed in fours, unless you0 >> have an AS1000a 4/266 - then you need 5 simms >> (1 is for ECC)  >>  % > This isn't quite the whole story...eA > EV4 does LONGword ECC and needs the 5th SIMM to be installed tol > provide enough bits.H > EV5 does QUADword ECC and there are enough bits on 4 SIMMS so the 5th  > one is not needed.H > So, whether it is a 1000 or 1000a, how many SIMMs you need depends on " > what CPU you use in the machine.  E Thanks to all who replied.  The machine is 1000 4/200 and it takes 5 T SIMMs.  I Incidentally, I played around a bit with the existing memory and noticed  @ that the 5th (ECC) SIMM does not actually need to be 36-bit - a H "regular" SIMM from a PC works in that position.  (SRM doesn't complain  and it boots successfully.)  -- n@ ----------------------------------------------------------------A   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca S@ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Roadn1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canada8 http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4T  http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:47:01 GMTL( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>6 Subject: Re: What kind of memory for AlphaServer 1000?' Message-ID: <9JaXb.104$D_5.12@edtnps84>.   Alfred,a  E I have an AS1000A 4/266 which also takes 5-SIMM memory 'options'.  I nI upgraded my system with 5 64-MB SIMMs from www.kahlon.com in California, eH but since I too live in Canada, the price, after exchange rates, taxes, * and customs fees, was a whopping $240 CDN.  H If you find a Canadian source for generic SIMMs, please let me know.  I - looked high and low for one, but had no luck.a   Cheers,  Alderr   Alfred Falk wrote::t- > John Travell <john@travell.uk.net> wrote in 5 > news:c0ilgb$17elrs$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de: l >  >  >>DAVID TURNER wrote:e >>! >>>The AS1000a uses the followinge >>>S, >>>X x 36Bit Parity SIMMS (Gold is standard)H >>>Largest SIMM is 64MB and these must be installed in fours, unless you0 >>>have an AS1000a 4/266 - then you need 5 simms >>>(1 is for ECC)n >>>  >>% >>This isn't quite the whole story...eA >>EV4 does LONGword ECC and needs the 5th SIMM to be installed to- >>provide enough bits.H >>EV5 does QUADword ECC and there are enough bits on 4 SIMMS so the 5th  >>one is not needed.H >>So, whether it is a 1000 or 1000a, how many SIMMs you need depends on " >>what CPU you use in the machine. >  > G > Thanks to all who replied.  The machine is 1000 4/200 and it takes 5 s > SIMMs. > K > Incidentally, I played around a bit with the existing memory and noticed  B > that the 5th (ECC) SIMM does not actually need to be 36-bit - a J > "regular" SIMM from a PC works in that position.  (SRM doesn't complain  > and it boots successfully.),   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:53:36 -0800R* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>F Subject: Re: will these non-DEC disks work with my hobbyist equipment?2 Message-ID: <A9SdnWAWL7WMnLDdRVn-jQ@mpowercom.net>  L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>. wrote in message news:c0h1mj$v6$1@online.de... > I could get two.J > identical Quantum Fireballs as mentioned above, and have an external box >aL I'd recommend you not use the Fireball drives.  In the past I've had quite aG bit of trouble with them on VMS systems.  I think the command tag queue-
 doesn't work.s    Jack Peacock-   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:27:53 -0500H3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>oF Subject: Re: will these non-DEC disks work with my hobbyist equipment?0 Message-ID: <hMSdnXExfMnRv7PdRVn-ug@comcast.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0708060706020707020006049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowedm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitl  G About eight or ten years ago there was a problem with Quantum Fireball CI drives and tagged command queuing!  The fireballs didn't do it correctly aG and could corrupt your data.  DEC, however, shipped Quantum Fireballs, h2 presumably correctly operating ones, as the RZ26F.    / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:i  H >In article <c0j6lg$181n6k$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Hans Vlems"" ><hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> writes:  >r >  l >.I >>Some (all ?) of the DEC RZnn drives were re-badged third party devices.i >>     >> >g4 >Right, but in some cases they changed the firmware. >P >  n >d >>In >>front of me sit two drives:r >> >>RZ26L  made by Quantum? >>RZ28C-E made by Seagate, actually an ST32550N Barracuda drives >>     >> > E >Yes, the RZ28 which came in my ALPHAstation 255/233 (bought new from  >DEC) was a Seagate Barracuda. >  >  e > I >>Your reluctance to use non-DEC gear for system disks is understandable.nN >>Especially if you've been confronted with early SCSI support in VAX/VMS (5.3. >>?) But 7.3 (AXP and VAX) is quite tolerant.  >>     >> >eE >The only non-DEC disks I've used up until now have been a couple of iF >SEAGATEs, but I've had no problems with them.  Before I bought them, I >several folks here said that they had been using them with no problem.  dF >I haven't had any bad experiences, but since not ALL SCSI disks will J >work, I'd like to have some feedback.  I was able to borrow them to test I >before I decide to buy them.  Obviously, if they don't work I won't buy oJ >them.  I'm more concerned with them appearing to work but actually doing + >something wrong and/or stop working later.t >b >    >i  & --------------070806070602070702000604) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-asciiS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">a <html> <head>I   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">y   <title></title>  </head>r' <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">mF About eight or ten years ago there was a problem with Quantum FireballC drives and tagged command queuing!&nbsp; The fireballs didn't do itmJ correctly and could corrupt your data.&nbsp; DEC, however, shipped QuantumA Fireballs, presumably correctly operating ones, as the RZ26F.<br>i <br> <br>3 Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:<br>w9 <blockquote type="cite" cite="midc0kivl$siu$7@online.de">u   <pre wrap="">In article <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:c0j6lg$181n6k$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de">&lt;c0j6lg$181n6k$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de&gt;</a>, "Hans Vlems"q <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl">&lt;hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl&gt;</a> writes: o     </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">X     <pre wrap="">Some (all ?) of the DEC RZnn drives were re-badged third party devices.
     </pre>   </blockquote>-   <pre wrap=""><!---->3 Right, but in some cases they changed the firmware.b     </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">     <pre wrap="">InT front of me sit two drives:n   RZ26L  made by Quantum= RZ28C-E made by Seagate, actually an ST32550N Barracuda drive 
     </pre>   </blockquote>.   <pre wrap=""><!---->D Yes, the RZ28 which came in my ALPHAstation 255/233 (bought new from DEC) was a Seagate Barracuda.      </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">X     <pre wrap="">Your reluctance to use non-DEC gear for system disks is understandable.L Especially if you've been confronted with early SCSI support in VAX/VMS (5.3, ?) But 7.3 (AXP and VAX) is quite tolerant. 
     </pre>   </blockquote>J   <pre wrap=""><!---->D The only non-DEC disks I've used up until now have been a couple of E SEAGATEs, but I've had no problems with them.  Before I bought them, iH several folks here said that they had been using them with no problem.  E I haven't had any bad experiences, but since not ALL SCSI disks will _I work, I'd like to have some feedback.  I was able to borrow them to test lH before I decide to buy them.  Obviously, if they don't work I won't buy I them.  I'm more concerned with them appearing to work but actually doing o* something wrong and/or stop working later.     </pre>
 </blockquote>  </body>s </html>w  ( --------------070806070602070702000604--   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:25:43 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)? Subject: [DCL] Quitting DELETE/CONFIRM doesn't stop immediatelyA1 Message-ID: <newscache$3sy2th$ez51$1@news.sil.at>1  I If I do a DELETE/CONFIRM/LOG on a large directory (tree) and I "Q"uit it,uJ then it seems it continues until the end of the filelist (without deletingI any more files of course) before it finally writes the summary and quits.   B Is this the intended behaviour (sometimes taking umteen minutes) ?M Why is in DELETE.EXE no short way from quitting the fileloop to the summary ?    TIA    -- y Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERn% Network and OpenVMS system specialists E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:49:02 +0100e" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>C Subject: Re: [DCL] Quitting DELETE/CONFIRM doesn't stop immediatelyC4 Message-ID: <402e5f97$0$28932$626a14ce@news.free.fr>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:  K > If I do a DELETE/CONFIRM/LOG on a large directory (tree) and I "Q"uit it,hL > then it seems it continues until the end of the filelist (without deletingK > any more files of course) before it finally writes the summary and quits.a > D > Is this the intended behaviour (sometimes taking umteen minutes) ?O > Why is in DELETE.EXE no short way from quitting the fileloop to the summary ?s   Which VMS ?m  Q I just did a test on VMS Alpha 7.3-1 and did not notice the effect you described.    D.   -- h2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928O$                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:22:21 GMTM0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>: Subject: Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full- Message-ID: <1VkXb.33302$uV3.58733@attbi_s51>    Lord Isildur wrote:S   (snip)  M > sure, you can create memory filesystems and mount them in /tmp if you like.hO > that's not what was being talked about in the solaris issue; there, the issue L > was that solaris will swap on the same device that is mounted in /tmp. BSDO > will swap on whatever devices you tell it to swap on. that is disk space, not,* > memory, by definition.. it's swap space!  D tmpfs is pretty much a variable sized file system in virtual memory.  E As it is in virtual memory, as it expands it uses swap space, as does   any other use of virtual memory.  F It is that /tmp, (or any other file system as tmpfs) is in swap space, not swap space is in /tmp.  C I usually mount /tmptmp as tmpfs, as I prefer /tmp not to disappeari
 on reboot.   -- glenS   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 07:17:35 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) : Subject: Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full3 Message-ID: <nvtT+wmM4iqA@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  i In article <c0h6ic$16mdfb$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:a > I > C'mon Bob.  I expect better of you.  The problem with Solaris is uniquemH > in that it isn't really about filling up /tmp as much as it appears toF > be forcing an exhaustion of swap because /tmp is actually in memory.  ;    Both have the underlying cause of exhausting disk space.w   >  IH > have been working with Unix systems of pretty much every flavor since H > around 1981 amd have never seen a system crash because /tmp filled up.F > I have seen them become unusable, but never crash.                    *    Your experience is different from mine.  ,I > BSD has had numerous process resource quotas for many years now.  WhichgF > just goes to show how stupid the rush to SYSV and the abandonment of? > commercialization of the version previously known as BSD was.c  9    BSD was a hell of a lot easier to manage in many ways.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:13:33 GMT ' From: nospam <x@wedontwantyourspam.com>g: Subject: Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full5 Message-ID: <BC5334D8.230AC%x@wedontwantyourspam.com>A  < in article 402CEBAB.2AD40B83@sture.homeip.net, Paul Sture at2 nospam@sture.homeip.net wrote on 14/02/2004 01:22:   > Stuart, Ed wrote:o >> rM >> What about if the disk where the OpenVMS security audit file resides fills  >> up? >> o > G > You can't log in. So if you don't have a process already logged in topI > free up some space, then forcing a crash then doing a minimum boot willD- > let you in to do the necessary cleaning up.s > I > Decent monitoring tools should normally provide you with enough warningc2 > to take remedial action before you get that far.  L WRONG answer. When audit is in default or C2 mode the correct response is toJ crash the system if an audit can't be logged. There is no login in to freeI space its a halt,  not even a friendly shutdown. The author was trying to@ point this out.r    Mark;)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:03:30 +0000fO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>h: Subject: Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full. Message-ID: <c0isit$b$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <c0gdqq$3h5$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > B >>Solaris isn't allowing an unpriviledged user to fill up a system. >>disk /tmp isn't generally a disk its memory. >> >  > G >    You should learn more about your product.  From one of our Solarist
 >    systems:e >  > x> df | grep tmpH > /tmp               (swap              ): 1148800 blocks    26993 files > G >   "swap" is hard disk space.  It implements backing store for virtualg! >   memory, but it is disk space.j >   Wrong sorry but I do know my OS.   This is on my server.o  	 # swap -l9 No swap devices configured   # dfF /                  (/dev/dsk/c0t0d0s0 ): 1237550 blocks   341546 filesF /proc              (/proc             ):       0 blocks    11787 filesF /etc/mnttab        (mnttab            ):       0 blocks        0 filesF /dev/fd            (fd                ):       0 blocks        0 filesF /var/run           (swap              ):  390240 blocks    73565 filesF /tmp               (swap              ):  390240 blocks    73565 files  D There is no swap space on disk or over the network but /tmp is still in a "swap".  A I guess you need to retract your point and grovel ......... now !    Regardsi Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:45:19 GMT " From: GreyCloud <mist@Cumulus.com>: Subject: Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full7 Message-ID: <za7Xb.767$ss.22599@bcandid.telisphere.com>e   Bob Koehler wrote:   > In article <c0g8os$1qs$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  > A >>It looks like you have a user/process problem. Does OpenVMS runi) >>indefinitely if you fill its disks up ?M >  >  >    It does not crash.d > H >    What it does do depends on how it's managed.  If the disk with the J >    security audit log fills up the default action is to complain on the L >    operator's console and stop processing (appears to hang to most users).F >    The system manager can determine where the audit file is and what- >    action to take when it's disk gets full.l > A >    If the system or a data disk fills up but the security auditOA >    system does not block processing then VMS will keep running.w > I >    It will also complain on the operator's console if it can't write tolH >    the error log or the opertor's log for any reason, including a full
 >    disk. > F >    I've seen VMS as old as 2.5 keep on running with it's system diskC >    removed.  And VMS as old as 4.0 fully recover without further uF >    intervention when it's system disk was removed and then put back. >   < Whatever happened to setting high water marks for each user?   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 12:53:09 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)S: Subject: RE: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full3 Message-ID: <Cz7Q7fIH5+2w@eisner.encompasserve.org>,   In article <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC120D2293@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>, "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> writes:L > What about if the disk where the OpenVMS security audit file resides fills > up?e  D    As I said before, the system responds in the manner chosen by the&    system manager.  It does not crash.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 12:56:01 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t: Subject: Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full3 Message-ID: <Vm7hsxBjlToo@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  _ In article <BC5334D8.230AC%x@wedontwantyourspam.com>, nospam <x@wedontwantyourspam.com> writes:  > N > WRONG answer. When audit is in default or C2 mode the correct response is toL > crash the system if an audit can't be logged. There is no login in to freeK > space its a halt,  not even a friendly shutdown. The author was trying toh > point this out.a  H    No.  The system does not unless the system manager explicitly sets it)    to do so.  This is not required by C2.n   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:07:16 -0500 (EST)-+ From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu>0: Subject: Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is fullH Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58-035.0402130857530.2281@unix44.andrew.cmu.edu>  C on any self-respecting unix, this will not crash the _system_, this1D will merely barf the offending process, when it finds that it cannotF allocate more address space. if the program was written to detect thatI condition and not just die, and its work can still be done, it might just D go on, using a lot of core, but most programs, especially those justB written to blindly hog tons of core, will likely just segfault andJ die. the system does not die from running out of swap. processes trying toB acquire more resources, when those requests return unsuccessfully,H often find themselves operating in an undefined state and do odd things,D including crashing. nobody says you _have_ to check return values of system calls! :-)e  C now, maybe solaris is so behind the times that it actually does dieEA when there is no more swap space. one more reason not to use thatd ugly system.  F the extremely moronic decision on solaris to have swap and /tmp on theG same device (and as far as i know the user can't change this), however, I allows anything which can write enough files to fill up /tmp to cause thesC system to run out of swap... though ive also seen that solaris willuE stat removing files to free up space if it needsmore swap. altogetheroB just a stupid, pointless scheme though. sun was and is really goodH at implementing subsystems, but for the past decade or so, i have reallyF gotten the impression from both their hardware and their software thatH they lack any greater vision or overall design.. i'm sure that someone'sK idea of putting tmp and swap in the same place was clever for the first tenoD minutes of its life; it never should have gotten into a release of aG real operating system. there are so many such 'features' which when one F looks at them, one thinks 'why? just why? what is the reason for this?! there was no reason!' about them.a   me, i use BSD.8 vms content: i run BSD on vaxen, which also can run vms.    / On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:    > Roy Omond wrote: >  > (snip) >nH > > 1) From "Feb 2 12:35:06" in the messages.0 log there were error msgs< > > reporting that /tmp was full, which is a very bad error: > >tJ > > xxxxx unix: WARNING: /tmp: File system full, swap space limit exceeded > >tJ > > 2) The OS eventually crashed itself to resolve the problem (this wouldB > > have cleaned out /tmp) at 16.59 and then came back up at 17.07 >tA > The common /tmp implementation on Solaris is in virtual memory.r0 > That is why it says swap space limit exceeded. >uC > While a full disk may cause unix to crash, filling virtual memorynA > is more likely to do it.  Once, as part of a test for something  > else did the equivalent of:t >d >     for(;;) malloc(1000);  >a > and crashed the system.- >- > Don't do that. >b	 > -- glen: >- >0   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Feb 2004 13:05:57 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s: Subject: Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is full3 Message-ID: <tjM$xBVcQLQ6@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  \ In article <za7Xb.767$ss.22599@bcandid.telisphere.com>, GreyCloud <mist@Cumulus.com> writes: > > > Whatever happened to setting high water marks for each user?  H    You mean disk quotas?  Hightwater marks have no control over how much    disk space a user can use.    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:44:45 -0500 (EST)e+ From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu> : Subject: Re: [OT] Solaris crashes itself when /tmp is fullI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58-035.0402131534190.25639@unix44.andrew.cmu.edu>n  / On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:oH > Programs that check the return value from malloc() shouldn't segfault.H > The program above will allocate as much memory as it can.  Though someH > systems have a per process memory limit below the system memory limit,I > if you run enough such processes you will fill up memory.  You can alsor > tryr >b >     for(;;) fork();o% > or for(;;)  malloc(1000000),fork();-  G yes, yes, but regardless of how many processes youre using, or whatever H resource youre using, the behavior of the system is, when it runs out ofM resources (or when it , for example, hits the rlimit limits on some resource) 8 is to deny requests for further resources, not to crash.L in the case of a fork bomb, it is still easy to stop the fork bomb. they areH often effective denial of service, especially since they keep the systemL spinnning in system calls so much, but they do not crash or otherwise impairK the system, aside from slowing it down and blocking new processes until youg0 clear them up. clearing one up is pretty simple.   > > me, i use BSD.< > > vms content: i run BSD on vaxen, which also can run vms. >tC > I believe newer BSD versions also have a tmpfs equivalent, thoughm1 > it may not be installed by the install scripts.t  K sure, you can create memory filesystems and mount them in /tmp if you like.nM that's not what was being talked about in the solaris issue; there, the issue J was that solaris will swap on the same device that is mounted in /tmp. BSDM will swap on whatever devices you tell it to swap on. that is disk space, notf( memory, by definition.. it's swap space!   isildurr   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:18:18 GMTs0 From: "Barry Kierstein" <Barry.Kierstein@HP.Com>V Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-2/AMDS/AVAILMAN] AVAILMAN installation deletes AMDS$CONSOLE.EXE/ Message-ID: <u84Xb.369$pK.180@news.cpqcorp.net>e   Peter,  J     Sorry for the delay, many things going on in getting a new release out the door...nL     This behavior is not intended.  The team here will check to see if there are any problems.u   Barry Kierstein  AM/DECamds Project leaderd   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.089 ************************