0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 16 Feb 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 93      Contents:I Re: BACKUP/COPY change file's allocated size. WHY? How do I prevent this? P Re: BACKUP/COPY change file's allocated size. WHY? How do I prevent this? this?t, Call 4 a copy of ovms50.gif VMS WEB Ring pix0 Re: Call 4 a copy of ovms50.gif VMS WEB Ring pix5 Re: DCL procedure to find and delete unused accounts?  Re: DESTA Director RWASTs  Re: Easiest way..  Re: Easiest way..  Re: Easiest way..  Re: Easiest way.. 4 Re: How to make higher resolution GIF or JPEG image?< Re: HP Launches Largest-ever Enterprise Advertising Campaign LG06 Documentation% Re: Making images of RL02's under VMS 0 RE: New Variant MyDoom.B targeting Microsoft.com> RE: Open Source developers are not to be thrusted says article@ Re: OpenVMS thrashes slowaris and aix in cluster tco/virus study* Re: OT: Windows has become open source :-)* Re: OT: Windows has become open source :-) RE: PL/I for VAX/VMS5 Re: puzzle involving ALLOCLASS and SET VOLUME/REBUILD D Re: QUESTION - Basic setup of SMTP , simple e-mail notification task Re: Renaissance of VAX-VMS ?? Re: SBB POWER SUPPLY 150 OR 180 WATT - HOW MANY DISKS SUPPORTS? ? Re: SBB POWER SUPPLY 150 OR 180 WATT - HOW MANY DISKS SUPPORTS? ' Re: Searching for VMS 5.x documentation - Shipping Alpha computers overseas - OK to do? 1 Re: Shipping Alpha computers overseas - OK to do?  Re: Tape Problem VAX/VMS Consultant Needed..  Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? RE: Why was VAX abandonned ?& RE: Windows has become open source :-)& [ANN] Data Plotting Library DISLIN 8.2M Re: [VMS V7.3-2/AMDS/AVAILMAN] AVAILMAN installation deletes AMDS$CONSOLE.EXE   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:00:03 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> R Subject: Re: BACKUP/COPY change file's allocated size. WHY? How do I prevent this?0 Message-ID: <102v2bjh4vk9qf7@corp.supernews.com>  . Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@spamcop.net> wrote:B : Note that it is rather difficult to write beyond the EOF pointer@ : without changing that pointer.  Somebody went to a lot of work  : to avoid playing by the rules.  A Doubtful.  They're probably just forgetting to do something, like B move it to the right place in the first place and then using block' mode IO for access after file creation.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:07:09 -0500 . From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart-nospam@gce.com>Y Subject: Re: BACKUP/COPY change file's allocated size. WHY? How do I prevent this? this?t & Message-ID: <402F8B1D.4060900@gce.com>  : The filesystem(s) in VMS are in 2 layers: the XQP and RMS.7 The XQP will happily let you read and write file blocks 9 regardless of the end of file mark, which it ignores. RMS ? on the other hand will not. Backup (somewhat reasonably) treats ? anything allocated past end of file as nonexistent. Considering @ that allocation is in clusters and sometimes it is important for= file size to be preserved, this makes sense. If you need data D kept, it is good to set file/end and ensure the endfile mark is pastC the last of it. Otherwise you play with fire (the dreaded writeonly < backup syndrome ;-) ) since nothing gets backed up except by back/physical.  ? If you want it all, backup/physical WILL save it. (There's even ? my old hack that lets you pretend the tape dataset is a disk so = you don't have to pull everything back to disk to read a file > off it.) But you also back up all your otherwise unused space.  < Alternatively if you write your own copy to backup tool, and- use $qio to read the file, you'll get it all.    Glenn Everhart   Z wrote:0 > John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote:L > : If you really must preserve the random contents of the disk that are not > : part of your file  > @ > The contents beyond EOF are not random and if they're not part< > of the file, why does SET FILE/END give me access to them? >  > ; > : (and sorry, but your application is broken if it thinks I > : copy and $ SET FILE/ATTR=(ORG:SEQ) both original and copy afterwards.  > B > The application may indeed be broken.  But that doesn't help me.B > The application is no longer supported on VMS.  So there will be: > no fix for this.  And we cannot change database vendors. > A > Is there or is there not a way for me to write ALL of the file, C > even the area between EOF and ALQ onto a tape and then back onto  9 > disk (using BACKUP) without first mucking with EOF with 3 > SET FILE/END or the file attributes with CONVERT?  >  > Yes or no?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:40:20 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>5 Subject: Call 4 a copy of ovms50.gif VMS WEB Ring pix 4 Message-ID: <402f84df$0$28139$626a14ce@news.free.fr>  P I'm fed up to miss a pix in my OpenVMS WEB Ring banner. The file is supposed to S be http://if.yimg.com/f/31ccf62c/h/tn_ca829b00/ovms50.gif, but it is missing there.   2 Anyone has a copy so that I can put it in my page?   Thanks,    D. --  <                    Discover the FutureVAX: www.futurevax.com8                            Discover VAXUS: www.vaxus.org  J     didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPL   Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation ~ MigrationJ     Offshore ~ 5 av. A. Durand 31700 Blagnac France. Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287G       SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:00:14 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>9 Subject: Re: Call 4 a copy of ovms50.gif VMS WEB Ring pix . Message-ID: <403094AE.22422.725BBA0@localhost>  . On 15 Feb 2004 at 15:40, Didier Morandi wrote:  E > I'm fed up to miss a pix in my OpenVMS WEB Ring banner. The file is H > supposed to be http://if.yimg.com/f/31ccf62c/h/tn_ca829b00/ovms50.gif, > but it is missing there.  E I emailed the ringmaster a few weeks back with the same request.  No  
 response yet.    Only he can fix the image...
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2004 06:06:46 -0800* From: denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich)> Subject: Re: DCL procedure to find and delete unused accounts?; Message-ID: <d28306e.0402160606.b614e3d@posting.google.com>    "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in message news:<FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB278C25@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>... 7 > > From: Ken Robinson [mailto:sendspamhere@rbnsn.com]  # > > Sent: February 15, 2004 6:35 AM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com B > > Subject: Re: DCL procedure to find and delete unused accounts? > > 7 > > "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@example.com> wrote in 5 > > news:PdEXb.13784$5W3.10413@nwrddc02.gnilink.net:   > >  > > > J > > > I've found some helpful stuff there, but nothing like this. I don't H > > > even know how to access system services from DCL- some help there I > > > would be appreciated. It seems DECUS has a tool to do this. I just  ; > > > downloaded it, but as I don't have DECC installed, I   >  imagine it won't 6 > > > do me any good. Only Alpha objects are included. > > @ > > Have you looked at the online doc set or done a "HELP" from  > > the DCL prompt?  > > B > > Type "Help lexical". There isn't a way to access the UAF from A > > DCL through the lexical functions. I believe there is an old  @ > > freeware program call SCANUAF that would help you.  I don't 8 > > remember where I got the copy I used in my last job. > >  > > Ken Robinson! > > kenrbnsn (at) rbnsn (dot) com  > >  > 0 > SCANUAF can be found on Hunters freeware site:> > http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?SCANUAF > 4 > The main pointer for Hunters site can be found at:/ > http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.html  > 	 > Regards  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax: 613-591-4477  > Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom - > (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)   C I wrote something like this a few years ago.  we wanted to find and B disuser accounts that were "stale", including those that had had aD password reset. The users were supposed to log in within 3 days of a% reset and change that pesky password.   C We toyed with the idea of using the user-defined fields in the UAF, E but decided not to since there is absolutely no way to guarantee that F those fields aren't whacked by some unknown application (hey, they are "user defined"!).   E YOu have to get the last login time (both batch and interactive).  If E these are 0 (?) and the PREEXPIRED value is set, then the account has F never been used. But check the password reset date. Otherwise, you can/ go by the last interactive or last batch login.   A You could do all this with a "SYSUAF> list" command and then wade F through the listing file, parsing your brains out as you go. Easier is5 to write a C program using the GETUAI system service.   D One problem we had was how to distinguish between a recently createdD but unused account, and an old account, also unused.  We didn't wantF to "whack" a recently created account for at least 60 days. So we alsoC looked at the user's directory file creation date. Not precise, but  certainly an indicator.   C There was a lot of logic that went into this program, and it worked F really well. Unfortunately , that was another life, and I don't have a: copy, but these were some of the things I had to consider.   Regards,   Denny    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2004 08:39:09 -0800, From: mobile412@yahoo.com (Robert Fairfield)" Subject: Re: DESTA Director RWASTs= Message-ID: <fc2d4446.0402160839.73686980@posting.google.com>   ~ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4030287A.C5BA5156@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > Folks, > J > We have an on-going problem with DESTA Director in (the product formerlyG > known as Compaq Analyze) sometimes referred to as "WEBES". Before you E > ask the version, assume all versions V4.x and later as the repeated E > upgrades requested by the CSC have failed to solve the problem. VMS  > versions V7.2-2 and later. > E > The "DESTA Director" process leaks BIOLM and eventually hangs in an 9 > RWAST state with a BIOCNT (remaining BIOLM) of zero(0).  > H > Does anyone here in userland know the cause and/or a possible fix? The5 > authors and the support folks appear to be stumped.  > I > In this specific case, the RWAST can be cleared by issuing a DESTA STOP G > command, waiting for that timeout, then go into SDA, find all the MBA J > devices being held open by the process, and COPY the null device (NLA0:)D > to them one by one so that outstanding I/Os will complete (with anB > end-of-file condition). (I have some DCL that does this for me.)    D My solution (after working with the CSC & HP Engineering for several> months) was to not leave the DESTA Director running. In my VMSD startup, I start DESTA so the logicals are defined, and then I issueC the DESTA STOP command. Most of the HP products I use need only the D logicals defined, but the the DESTA Director itself does not need to be running.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2004 07:54:29 -0800* From: denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich) Subject: Re: Easiest way..< Message-ID: <d28306e.0402160754.30e74c50@posting.google.com>  e David Gray <police@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:<4gb1309k07bldai1lkfo63d8nrb8f5fo5e@4ax.com>...  > Greetings all,   > H > Need to replicate an entire directory structure including  protections7 > and ACLs to another with a slight change in the path   >  > EG.    >  > From   > DISK1:[XPS...] >  > To > DISK1:[XAS...]   > E > There are a few hundred directories than need recreating in the new 
 > XAS tree.    > 
 > I've tried   >  > $ set default DISK1:[XAS] ' > $ copy/log DISK1:[XPS...]*.DIR 	[...]  >  > But am not getting the ACLs.   > - > What would be the simplest way to do this?   >  > Thanks in advance,   > 	Dave.     USE BACKUP.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2004 09:02:04 -0800. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: Re: Easiest way..= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0402160902.60f67278@posting.google.com>   e David Gray <police@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:<4gb1309k07bldai1lkfo63d8nrb8f5fo5e@4ax.com>...  > Greetings all,   > H > Need to replicate an entire directory structure including  protections7 > and ACLs to another with a slight change in the path   >  > EG.    >  > From   > DISK1:[XPS...] >  > To > DISK1:[XAS...]   > E > There are a few hundred directories than need recreating in the new 
 > XAS tree.    > 
 > I've tried   >  > $ set default DISK1:[XAS] ' > $ copy/log DISK1:[XPS...]*.DIR 	[...]  >  > But am not getting the ACLs.   > - > What would be the simplest way to do this?   >  > Thanks in advance,   > 	Dave.     You should try    # $ BACKUP xxxx yyyy / OWNER=ORIGINAL    Regards    FC   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2004 11:58:30 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: Easiest way..3 Message-ID: <nYN1yKsanNqB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <4gb1309k07bldai1lkfo63d8nrb8f5fo5e@4ax.com>, David Gray <police@spamcop.net> writes: > Greetings all,   > H > Need to replicate an entire directory structure including  protections7 > and ACLs to another with a slight change in the path   >  > EG.    >  > From   > DISK1:[XPS...] >  > To > DISK1:[XAS...]   > E > There are a few hundred directories than need recreating in the new 
 > XAS tree.    > 
 > I've tried   >  > $ set default DISK1:[XAS] ' > $ copy/log DISK1:[XPS...]*.DIR 	[...]  >  > But am not getting the ACLs.   > - > What would be the simplest way to do this?    9 $ BACKUP DISK1:[XPS...] DISK2:[XAS...] /BY_OWNER=ORIGINAL   8 Then make sure XAS.DIR has the right ACLs.  If not then:  & $ SET SECURITY DISK2:[000000]XAS.DIR -0   /LIKE=(NAME=DISK2:[000000]XPS.DIR,OBJECT=FILE)    > Although BACKUP will create any needed parent directories when8 restoring files, it will not copy ACLs to any implicitly> created parent directories that are at or above the top of the> hierarchy being restored.  For disk to disk transfers it seems@ to do a good job of retaining UIC based protection mask and fileD ownership for the directory at the top of the tree.  It is only ACLs' for this directory that are not copied.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:27:31 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Easiest way..) Message-ID: <40310B8A.CADBCEC1@istop.com>   J > > Need to replicate an entire directory structure including  protections8 > > and ACLs to another with a slight change in the path > > From > > DISK1:[XPS...] > > To > > DISK1:[XAS...]   backup is your friend.  H I am never quite sure of the right incantation to get the subdirectories properly done.   I think it is:. BACKUP/LOG DISK1:[XPDS...]*.*;* DISK1:[XAS...]  H Sometimes BACKUP recreates a flat directory with all of the files in it.J Sometimes it works as expected, and sometimes it recreates the source treeG UNDER the target tree. (see below). This is why the /LOG is very useful N because you can CYRTL-Y the operation as soon as you see it not doing what you want it to do.  D If it recreates XPDS under XAS, you can then use the RENAME command.  4 RENAME DISK1:[000000]XAS.DIR  DISK1:[000000]TEMP.DIR1 RENAME DISK1:[TEMP]XPDS.DIR DISK1:[000000]XAS.DIR  DELETE DISK1:[000000]TEMP.DIR   M (you need to do this from a privileged account, or set the protection for the L .DIR files such that you can delete them (which rename requires you can do).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:36:06 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>= Subject: Re: How to make higher resolution GIF or JPEG image? ) Message-ID: <4030F174.3D3DEDD2@istop.com>    Lawrence Bleau wrote: H > If there's none, I can create an alternate format, such as PostScript,E > that has the high resolution plots.  I'd then have to convert it to ? > GIF (simply because very few browsers, if any, interpret PS).   K You could use Ghostscript to genererate a PDF file from a postscript input. L This has the advantage that the rasrterization is performed by the client atL whatever resolution they want. When you print to a postscript printer, it isF the printer that draws the lines so there are no jagged images at all.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:19:45 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> E Subject: Re: HP Launches Largest-ever Enterprise Advertising Campaign H Message-ID: <5eLXb.26241$s6M.15795@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Alex Daniels wrote: @ >> More information on the "change +hp" campaign is available at$ >> www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/hpads. >> [end of quote]  >> >> >> Anything on VMS ? >> >> D.  >  > E > Perhaps they are waiting for the TV ad part of the campaign, before  > they mention VMS.   A ROTHFLMHO. That and a TV ad mentioning that Santa Claus uses VMS.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:02:03 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: LG06 Documentation Q Message-ID: <OF56ACAC25.C8603D9B-ON85256E3C.0062FD01-85256E3C.00630FC2@metso.com>   7 Does anyone have a pointer to the LG06 printer manuals? 8 I need to mess with the number of lines per page and the! printer is of course fighting me.  -Norm    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:16:06 GMT , From: "Dutchman2000" <icelord2006@yahoo.com>. Subject: Re: Making images of RL02's under VMS; Message-ID: <a16Yb.8627$PY.3905@newssvr26.news.prodigy.com>    Tim-  @ These look to be RSTS.  Is there a different procedure for that?    8 "Tim Shoppa" <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message7 news:bec993c8.0402131135.2b80e34b@posting.google.com... 9 > "Dutchman2000" <icelord2006@yahoo.com> wrote in message 7 news:<cd5Xb.6627$PY.5731@newssvr26.news.prodigy.com>... 
 > > Hello- > > H > > I have several unknown RL02 platters that I would like to convert to Image G > > files that I can use under SIMH and hopefully determine the format.  > >   > > How can I do this using VMS? > > K > > I can mount the paks as FOREIGN but I'm not sure what to do after that.  > >  > > Anyone here know?  >  > MOUNT/FOR DLA0:  > COPY DLA0: IMAGE.DSK
 > DISMO DLA0:  > L > Add a /LOG to the COPY if you want to explicitly see that all 20480 blocks > were copied. > F > If there are bad blocks, COPY will die when it hits them.  There areH > workarounds but it depends on the underlying filesystem (ODS-1, RT-11, > RSTS, etc.) to automate them.  >  > Tim.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:12:54 -0700 B From: "Tillman, Brian (AGRE)" <Brian.Tillman@smiths-aerospace.com>9 Subject: RE: New Variant MyDoom.B targeting Microsoft.com O Message-ID: <11721EF39C7D7F47A55447158274CAF7A59216@cossmgmbx01.email.corp.tld>   
 Nimish wrote:   = > Thank you Brian I got ur point. So pls can u suggest me how 5 > can I get rid of those mails coming on my email id?   2 A mail rule should be able to dump those messages. --=0D  Brian Tillman        =0D Smiths Aerospace 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 > Brian.Tillman is the name, smiths-aerospace.com is the domain.	       =0D : I don't speak for Smiths, and Smiths doesn't speak for me.      * ******************************************G The information contained in, or attached to, this e-mail, may contain= D  confidential information and is intended solely for the use of the=G  individual or entity to whom they are addressed and may be subject to= H  legal privilege.  If you have received this e-mail in error you should=H  notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete the message from=L  your system and notify your system manager.  Please do not copy it for any=F  purpose, or disclose its contents to any other person.  The views or=I  opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do= G  not necessarily represent those of the company.  The recipient should= I  check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses.  The= A  company accepts no liability for any damage caused, directly or= 4  indirectly, by any virus transmitted in this email.* ******************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:43:11 +1300 1 From: Tux Wonder-Dog <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> G Subject: RE: Open Source developers are not to be thrusted says article 4 Message-ID: <Lc1Yb.24562$ws.3025244@news02.tsnz.net>  K What I meant was that the Free/Libre Open Source Software setup enabled you K to fix what vulnerabilities you faced as is where is; the Closed Source and D Semi-Pried-Open-With-A-Pinch-Bar Shared Source didn't allow one thatF liberty.  While allowing one's attackers to attack at _their_ liberty.  : Sorry for any misunderstandings due to my lack of clarity.   Tom Linden wrote:   I > Having open source at least allows you to inspect the code.  Of course, J > you also need the source to the compiler you are using to ensure that itJ > doesn't install a trojan horse in compiled applications.  I believe thisL > was commented on by the Air Force when Multics got its B2 rating (30 years > ago?)  >  >   -----Original Message-----< >   From: Tux Wonder-Dog [mailto:wes.parish@paradise.net.nz]+ >   Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 3:23 AM  >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com K >   Subject: Re: Open Source developers are not to be thrusted says article  >  >  >   JF Mezei wrote:  > D >   > From an auditing point of view, isn't open-source better since >   auditors at L >   > the user site can in fact look at the source code whereas when you buyG >   > pre-compiled software you have no way to verify that there are no D >   > hidden treasures that could be nefarous to your organisation ? > A >   I've always understood that to be one of its major drawcards. D >   Interestingly, that is the very same reason that the New Zealand >   GovernmentK >   gave me last year when I queried (rather publicly, in ComputerWorld NZ) L >   their signing up to the Microsoft GSP program - with the source at least/ >   readable, they weren't quite so vulnerable.  > I >   Still doesn't fit the bill of course - imagine the joy of WW II naval J >   fighter pilots at finding that fixing the P&W or RR engine has to takeE >   place at a specific (Atlantic) depot, and that depot is six weeks  >   sailing D >   time behind them (in the Pacific).  Ditto undercarriage, radios, >   hydraulics, etc ...  > = >   You can't run any organization facing publicly accessible  >   vulnerabilities like that! >  >   Wesley Parish  >   --K >   "Good, late in to more rewarding well."  "Well, you tonight.  And I was B >   lookintelligent woman of Ming home.  I trust you with a tender >   silence."  IG >   get a word into my hands, a different and unbelike, probably - 'she A >   fortunate fat woman', wrong word.  I think to me, I justupid. K >   Let not emacs meta-X dissociate-press write your romantic dialogs...!!!  >  >   --- * >   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.> >   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).D >   Version: 6.0.566 / Virus Database: 357 - Release Date: 1/22/2004 >  > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.566 / Virus Database: 357 - Release Date: 1/22/2004   --  G "Good, late in to more rewarding well."  "Well, you tonight.  And I was K lookintelligent woman of Ming home.  I trust you with a tender silence."  I C get a word into my hands, a different and unbelike, probably - 'she = fortunate fat woman', wrong word.  I think to me, I justupid. G Let not emacs meta-X dissociate-press write your romantic dialogs...!!!    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2004 07:38:17 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)I Subject: Re: OpenVMS thrashes slowaris and aix in cluster tco/virus study = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0402160738.5fd52185@posting.google.com>   j bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in message news:<c0jkol$17ps8u$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>... > > J > >    I still remember we were running VMS when nobody outside of BerkelyC > >    ran UNIX.  So what do you think hackers were targeting then?  > C > Considering that there was no way to get to the machine remotely?  > F > Also, even well into the early years of Unix the term "hacker" had aC > totally different meaning and just like the times when we used to D > leave our front doors unlocked (and in some cases, even wide open)D > so too for the computer community.  There was a time when machinesE > didn't even have passwords set becuase the users trusted each other E > to not "trespass".  By the time societal norms changed the Internet H > was still just a late night dream (or was it nightmare?) of Vint Cerf.G > VMS has never had the presence of Unix in the eyes of hackers.  There E > are other OSes that fall into the same catagory.  Never been hacked E > but probably could be if anyone really cared.  Primos, RSX and RSTS  > to name just a few.  >  > bill  > it was hacked by the best, and they called it "unhackable" ...  * http://www.pointsecure.com/Defconwhite.pdf   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:28:20 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)3 Subject: Re: OT: Windows has become open source :-) $ Message-ID: <c0o36k$jpo$1@online.de>  B In article <402f8c15$0$3104$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, Glenn Everhart" <Everhart-nospam@gce.com> writes:   : > This is a confusion between copyright and trade secret.   G Right.  And a trademark is something else again (though often confused  ! with copyright and trade secret).    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2004 10:22:10 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 3 Subject: Re: OT: Windows has become open source :-) 3 Message-ID: <mz5CDk8MZi$c@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <c0o36k$jpo$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: D > In article <402f8c15$0$3104$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, Glenn Everhart$ > <Everhart-nospam@gce.com> writes:  > ; >> This is a confusion between copyright and trade secret.   > I > Right.  And a trademark is something else again (though often confused  # > with copyright and trade secret).    and Service Mark is...   :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 05:48:29 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: PL/I for VAX/VMS 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIIEEMCNAA.tom@kednos.com>   ( Only the newer versions.  www.kednos.com Tom      -----Original Message-----9   From: glen herrmannsfeldt [mailto:gah@ugcs.caltech.edu] )   Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 8:18 PM    To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com    Subject: PL/I for VAX/VMS       =   Is VAX PL/I available through the hobbyist license program?       Even an old version is fine.   	   -- glen       --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.566 / Virus Database: 357 - Release Date: 1/22/2004    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.566 / Virus Database: 357 - Release Date: 1/22/2004   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:00:51 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)> Subject: Re: puzzle involving ALLOCLASS and SET VOLUME/REBUILD$ Message-ID: <c0ptbj$ebq$1@online.de>  @ In article <403020A7.6B273057@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J.9 Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:    M > > > Well, simply, if ALLOCLASS or Port Allocation Class is 0, the prefix is B > > > "nodename$". If non-zero, the device name prefix is "$nnn$". > > 0 > > Right, but the allocation class IS non-zero. > B > WHICH alloclass is non-zero? The ALLOCLASS parameter or the port1 > allocation class for the device(s) in question?   H I don't use port allocation classes at all, just the normal ALLOCLASS.  G All disks have a local connection to only one machine and each machine   has a separate ALLOCLASS value.   D It has nothing to do with the disk in question, though I originally H thought it might since I noticed this in the log for my nightly rebuild A job---but there is only one non-shadowed disk rebuilt from a VAX.   H Here's what I get if I try a rebuild on another non-shadowed disk, this ) time connected to an ALPHA and not a VAX:   + SYSMAN> do set volume/rebuild/log disk$data 2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DANEEL' %SET-I-MODIFIED, _GLADIA$DKA0: modified 2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node GLADIA$ %SET-I-MODIFIED, _$33$DKA0: modified2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node ELIJAH' %SET-I-MODIFIED, _GLADIA$DKA0: modified   , GLADIA is an ALPHA, the other two are VAXes.  H Thus, I see the following: SET VOLUME/REBUILD/LOG will display the node H name from 7.3 VAX and the ALLOCLASS number from 7.3-1 ALPHA.  Questions:F Can someone reproduce this?  What about other VMS versions?  Is it an  issue 7.3/7.3-1 or VAX/ALPHA?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:17:03 -0500 " From: "BillC" <bclark_at_lrgh.org>M Subject: Re: QUESTION - Basic setup of SMTP , simple e-mail notification task 2 Message-ID: <o7udnVPDSP6UcK3dRVn-vw@metrocast.net>  8 greetings / sorry, our server has had an issue or two...   TCPIP> show config smtp    SMTP ConfigurationJ                                                                    OptionsL Initial interval:   0 00:30:00.00       Address_max:    16       NOEIGHT_BITH Retry interval:     0 01:00:00.00       Hop_count_max:  16       NORELAYL Maximum interval:   3 00:00:00.00                                TOP_HEADERS  G Timeout             Initial       Mail    Receipt       Data  Terminate G   Send:                   5          5          5          3         10    Receive:                5    Alternate gateway:  not defined  General gateway:    not defined    Substitute domain:  not defined  Zone:               not defined    Postmaster:         TCPIP$SMTPC Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG   0 Generic queue       Queues   Participating nodes  " TCPIP$SMTP_LAKES_00    1     LAKES TCPIP>   tia (and thanks 'so far')     7 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message ) news:402D0D0C.7AC158A@sture.homeip.net...  > Paul Sture wrote:  > >  >  > Ooops - typo alert.  >  > > What is the output for > >  > > TCPIP SHOW CONFIHG SMTP  > >  > $ > Should read TCPIP SHOW CONFIG SMTP >  > -- > Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:33:35 -0500 1 From: Dieter Montanez <dieter@plantcomputers.com> % Subject: Re: Renaissance of VAX-VMS ? 7 Message-ID: <xOPXb.1117$c14.148@bignews6.bellsouth.net>   = I understand your point, but anyways, none of this is "really < sensitive" information, you can find evrything I wrote about; in the WWW. Mostly on the sites of SIEMENS, FRAMATOME, DS&S  or SAIC and even the NRC.    regards    Dieter   Didier Morandi wrote:  > Dieter Montanez wrote: > @ >> I didn't know that VAXes actually "control" nuclear reactors,@ >> at least not here in the USA. Most Nuclear Plants here in theB >> USA do also run VAXes, mostly using an application called SAIC-? >> PMS but these are Information Systems only and do not really @ >> execute any control on the actual plant I&C. They do actually? >> interface I/O systems (like RTP G2) but they do not send any  >> control information to them.  >>C >> Just out of curiosity, is this different in France's EDF NPP's ?  >  > I > You understand that I will never disclose sensitive information in any  K > way. What I may only say is that I know that EDF is still using VAXen in   > their NPP control rooms. > A >> FRAMATOME the most likely builder of most french NPP does also E >> not provide any solutions for migrating VAX (SAIC-PMS or whatever) C >> to any new DEC based system. They provide new solutions based on C >> SIEMENS TXS and TXP which perform IC based controls with SIEMENS E >> S5 based PLC and Information Systems (OM690) based on SUN Hardware  >> and Solaris OS. >  > K > I did not talk yet to Framatome. There are 1800 Customers in my base and nF > it takes a fairly long amount of time to call them all, mainly when ( > those phone numbers are no more valid. >  > D.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2004 05:53:30 -0800* From: denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich)H Subject: Re: SBB POWER SUPPLY 150 OR 180 WATT - HOW MANY DISKS SUPPORTS?< Message-ID: <d28306e.0402160553.1493cc50@posting.google.com>  k "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<QeidnV3YZ8w6363dRVn-tA@comcast.com>...rI > If you are using the disks in a Wide shelf, I think you can have six.   F > It may make a difference if you have 7200RPM disks or 10k RPM disks. > > > The Ultra Shelf I/O module needs more current than the wide. > H > I wouldn't mess around with a 150W power supply if I had any choice!  L > The 180W supplies can frequently be found on  e-Bay at reasonable prices.  >  > John Brandon wrote:A > H > >How many 9-GB disk drives (blue SBB) can a 150W power supply support? > >l > >TIA > >  > >  > >e > >J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n > >VMS Systems Administrator- > >firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com  > >  1 > >   F 2 years ago, when I first bought 10Krpm disks, we were advised to makeD sure the shelf supply was 180W when using 10K disks. As a result, we2 swapped out 48 supplies and made them all be 180W.  @ I've never tried a hi-rpm disk on a 150, so can't say what mightF happen.  I think it will run fine, but the most likely problem will beD overheating of the supply if you have a full shelf of 6 or 7 drives.. So what you do sort of depends on your budget.  C But the official DEC recommendation was to use 180W for 10K drives.-? BTW: we have some 9gb and a few 18gb and they work really well.u   regards,   denny0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:48:27 -0600g( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)H Subject: Re: SBB POWER SUPPLY 150 OR 180 WATT - HOW MANY DISKS SUPPORTS?1 Message-ID: <04021608482719@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>t   denny.rich@swagelok.com writes:dH > 2 years ago, when I first bought 10Krpm disks, we were advised to makeF > sure the shelf supply was 180W when using 10K disks. As a result, we4 > swapped out 48 supplies and made them all be 180W. > B > I've never tried a hi-rpm disk on a 150, so can't say what mightH > happen.  I think it will run fine, but the most likely problem will beF > overheating of the supply if you have a full shelf of 6 or 7 drives.0 > So what you do sort of depends on your budget.  C Budget yes, however current configuration is driving this question.0  E > But the official DEC recommendation was to use 180W for 10K drives..A > BTW: we have some 9gb and a few 18gb and they work really well.e  M Well aware of the official DEC recommendation - translation is "spend money".aM J/K (sort of...) - I understand the newer power requirements for the 10K diskx drives.o  
 > regards, > dennyt  N The SW configuration I have has 3 each 9-GB (10K) disk drives with 3 each 4-GBK (7.2K) disk drives on a number of shelves - with those shelves powered by arC pair of 150W power supplies.  This is a narrow shelf configuration.i  K If I remember right, a pair of 150W power supplies will be sufficient for aeJ full shelf of 9-GB (10K) disk however when one fails then the power of one 150W will not be.y  M I think a pair of 150W power supplies will support at least 3 each 9-GB (10K) / disk drives and 3 each 4-GB (7.2K) disk drives.        J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator.* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2004 23:24:47 -0800# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)L0 Subject: Re: Searching for VMS 5.x documentation= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0402152324.6d5fac7f@posting.google.com>e  u keith.cayemberg@conti.de (Keith Cayemberg) wrote in message news:<3a65a5c8.0402130617.7890dce5@posting.google.com>...e
 > Hi Seghers,g > 6 > Most of the Bookreader ODL's for the last Decade are > online at Sysworks...t% > http://www.sysworks.com.au/odl.htmlR >  > There you will find the... > OpenVMS 5.5 ODL - March 1992D > http://www.sysworks.com.au/swadm_dat_root/cddoc04mar2/library.html > 	 > Cheers!o >  > Keith Cayembergw+ > IBM Business Services - Hannover, Germanyn >  > _ > "Seghers Bruno" <tips@euronet.be> wrote in message news:<c0h06c$nmb$1@news.worldonline.be>...aL > > Somebody has told me that there is a beautifull explanation of how works( > > memory in the VMS 5.x documentation. > > O > > He things that it's in the "Tuning" book, and it's a comparison between VMS-6 > > memory mechanism and the management of a warehouse > > = > > Is there anybody who have a digital version of this book.0 > >  > > Thanks a lot > >  > > Seghers Bruno8 > > Belgiumn9 I think it's now in the "Guide to Performance Management"R (or was at some time) < the sysworks site also has some other "hard-to-find" guides.* the google site: option may be of use here Phil Phil   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2004 07:45:57 -0800( From: stevekulpa@yahoo.com (steve kulpa)6 Subject: Shipping Alpha computers overseas - OK to do?= Message-ID: <ee336853.0402160745.73a7a7e5@posting.google.com>r  
 Greetings,B I recently became the owner of a real nice AlphaServer 800 which ID thought I'd enjoy at home.  After a couple of months, reality set in< and I find I have no spare time to do anything w/ it, so I'm considering trying to sell it.  E My questions is this (after watching a disturbing Law & Order episode1A last night):  Is there any problems shipping this thing overseas,c< should someone ina country other than the USA be interested?   Thanks in advance, Steveo   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:21:18 -0500t* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>: Subject: Re: Shipping Alpha computers overseas - OK to do?) Message-ID: <40310A15.4DE4F8B5@istop.com>s   "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:gF > Frankly, I would not expect much interest from overseas bidders; theJ > expense of shipping a used computer to, say, Australia would probably be! > more than the machine is worth!Q  L But if such machines are not available second hand in yor country of origin,M then it may become worthwhile. (But one must consider import duties as well).   L FedEx, UPS, DHL and others are probably very happy with Ebay, Amazon and all the other big internet stores.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:32:33 +0100 - From: "Winfried Bergmann" <dummy@empuron.com>  Subject: Re: Tape Problemi: Message-ID: <c0qrb1$1ajfio$1@ID-170759.news.uni-berlin.de>  ; "Barry" <barrynospam-news@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrago9 news:_G7Xb.2225$t16.1797119@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com...y, > Sorry I spelled your name wrong, Winfried. >  No problemo :-):   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2004 07:42:29 -0800% From: Cmbelz@comcast.net (Cindy Belz)e$ Subject: VAX/VMS Consultant Needed..= Message-ID: <1bc8d6ca.0402160742.5dcc5f19@posting.google.com>p  F I have a urgent need in the Richmond, VA area. This will be a contractC for about 2 weeks. Candidates must be available to start on Monday.e  + Rate is 40.00-62.00 per hour corp to corp.    6 Please send resumes ASAP to Cindy@AtlanticResource.com  F Client is looking for a consultant that can troubleshoot and resolve aD problem with the Oracle Gateway. Client has a VAX computer that usedA to be able to connect to the Oracle Database (running on Alpha NTlC platform) to send data to the database. Since a recent reboot, thisi? has not worked properly. Candidates should have a strong Oraclec< Gateway/VAX/VMS background and be able to start this week.  ? Candidates must have Oracle Gateway experience.  No exceptions.   ) View all my jobs at www.richmondjobs.org.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:55:27 +0100r* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>% Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?f/ Message-ID: <4030857F.18488D7@sture.homeip.net>a   Paul Repacholi wrote:  > . > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: >  > > John Laird wrote:4 > >>O > >> On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:37:34 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>T > >> wrote:d > >>? > >> >jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) writes:n > >> >L > >> >> I was told about this problem with VMS when I was managing a VAX 750E > >> >> using VMS 2.5 (1982) by someone who ran a VAX/VMS timesharingh > >> >F > >> >I think you may be confusing a few details. AIR, the 7xx support- > >> >didn't appear and work until 3.x or so.e > >>O > >> Given that V1.0 only ran on a 780, I don't understand your last statement. 7 > >> What do you think 1.x and 2.x supported, exactly ?e > - > 1.0 , 780 with mainly RSX 16 bit utilities.tP > 2.0 , 780 with more 32 bit stuff and DSC2 (I think... Fiche are 20 miles away) > O >  >> The 750 arrived around the same time as 2.0 (1980?)  The 730 and 3.0 alsoa, > >> arrived at about the same time (1982?). > >> > >t@ > > From page 60 of the "OpenVMS at 20 Nothing Stops it book" at > >i+ > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/20th/  > >o3 > > V2 April 1980 contained support for the 11/750. C > > V3 April 1982 contained support for the 11/730, 11/725, 11/782.d: >                                                      ^^^ > D > That I KNOW is wrong. The first 725 was at DECUS Vegas in Fall 83.G > The prototypes used a 11/44 box witha UDA-50 in them, and where quite D > nice. The IDC production ones sucked big time. The 725 had to have? > MSCP drivers plus the R80/RL02 driver and that was after 3.0.a >a  E The problem with the text I quoted from is that it lumps all the V3.ngG stuff under plain V3, but gives the release date of V3.0. The same page-F gives a release date of September 1984 for V4, so what was lumped into? the V3 section actually contained over 2 years of sub releases.2  4F > There was a 730 I worked on. SLow as hell, but it HAD fallen severalG > thousand feet down a coal mine shaft into the water at the bottom, so@8 > we put up with it and marveled that it worked at all!! >     b   -- h
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:30:56 +0000 ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>o% Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?s? Message-ID: <6yRXb.6365$vo1.4268@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>l   Tom Linden wrote: J > a bunch of instructions.  The early Alpha chips took 17 ticks to computeN > A= B + C;  because in their desire for simplicity the engineers didn't think" > 16bit arithmentic was important.  G The lack of byte manipulations was acknowledged to be the major mistakerH in the initial architecture. The architects believed that new code wouldG not need these and therefore chose not to burden the architecture with ,D it. They were mostly right, but it bit NT hard - they had to fix the problem (in EV56 IIRC).l  M > The VAX architecure was designed for high level languages, the Alpha for C.t  @ I think the VAX architecture was designed to provide that which F compilers needed at the time. I'm not sure why you think Alpha is bad E for non-C languages. I presume that there is something about it that  H PL/I finds hard to swallow, but you'll have to say what it is because I E know nothing about PL/I. I don't recall complaints from the BLISS or aF FORTRAN groups and I'd be surprised if the compiler teams didn't have + ample opportunity to comment on the design!e  N > Note that the Power PC has only a one tick penalty for unaligned data accessG > (which the Alpha engineers arrogantly refer to as misaligned access!)l  F Misaligned is misaligned. Most VAX processors also have penalties for B misaligned accesses. The compilers hide these, where possible and H allowed, by padding structures. MACRO-32 programmers are expected to be < able to count! Plenty of other processors do the same thing.   Antonio    --   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:52:29 -0800 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>% Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?R2 Message-ID: <_qOdnagUxJaSQbLdRVn-hw@mpowercom.net>  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messagei' news:87fzdcnspu.fsf@prep.synonet.com... F > There was a 730 I worked on. SLow as hell, but it HAD fallen severalG > thousand feet down a coal mine shaft into the water at the bottom, so 8 > we put up with it and marveled that it worked at all!! > L While DEC equipment was well built and took a lot of abuse, I think the coalL mine would be at about the limit of what is possible.  During a nuclear testK in Nevada many years ago the sealed tunnel failed between the device and anaC (unmanned) computer room with a PDP-11, exposing the chassis to theSJ contained yield of a 150kt blast.  It did not work afterward.  After beingF rendered into plasma the constituent atoms were deemed uneconomical toG repair.  The DEC field service engineer declined to inspect the damage.    Jack Peacock   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 05:59:27 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> % Subject: RE: Why was VAX abandonned ?y9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICEENCNAA.tom@kednos.com>-     -----Original Message-----2   From: Antonio Carlini [mailto:arcarlini@iee.org])   Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 1:31 PMy   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como'   Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?3       Tom Linden wrote:vL   > a bunch of instructions.  The early Alpha chips took 17 ticks to computeC   > A= B + C;  because in their desire for simplicity the engineerst   didn't think$   > 16bit arithmentic was important.  I   The lack of byte manipulations was acknowledged to be the major mistakerJ   in the initial architecture. The architects believed that new code wouldH   not need these and therefore chose not to burden the architecture withF   it. They were mostly right, but it bit NT hard - they had to fix the   problem (in EV56 IIRC).w  F No, you are mistaken, they were wrong.  Why would you design a new cpuE that could only run new code.  So you could go after a small a marketEG as possible?  Actually, it was the miserable performance of Oracle thatBG was responsible for the addition of 16bit and byte sign extended moves.   B   > The VAX architecure was designed for high level languages, the   Alpha for C.  A   I think the VAX architecture was designed to provide that whichFG   compilers needed at the time. I'm not sure why you think Alpha is badeF   for non-C languages. I presume that there is something about it thatI   PL/I finds hard to swallow, but you'll have to say what it is because I F   know nothing about PL/I. I don't recall complaints from the BLISS orG   FORTRAN groups and I'd be surprised if the compiler teams didn't havee-   ample opportunity to comment on the design!c  :   > Note that the Power PC has only a one tick penalty for   unaligned data access I   > (which the Alpha engineers arrogantly refer to as misaligned access!)X  G   Misaligned is misaligned. Most VAX processors also have penalties forqC   misaligned accesses. The compilers hide these, where possible andyI   allowed, by padding structures. MACRO-32 programmers are expected to be >   able to count! Plenty of other processors do the same thing.  3 There are two types of data, aligned and unaligned.   	   Antoniot     --     ---------------g/   Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgy     --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.566 / Virus Database: 357 - Release Date: 1/22/2004   ---S& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.566 / Virus Database: 357 - Release Date: 1/22/2004   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:29:42 -0700lB From: "Tillman, Brian (AGRE)" <Brian.Tillman@smiths-aerospace.com>/ Subject: RE: Windows has become open source :-)0O Message-ID: <11721EF39C7D7F47A55447158274CAF7A5926D@cossmgmbx01.email.corp.tld>e   JF Mezei wrote:G  ? > Perhaps this was done on purpose when Gates realised that hise< > own staff were totally ineffective at making Widnows save,> > robust and secure, so Gates unleashed the code on the net toC > see how quickly all the faults can be found (and then fixed) ....r  . How could any fevered brain come up with this? --=0Do Brian Tillman        =0D Smiths Aerospace 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991r> Brian.Tillman is the name, smiths-aerospace.com is the domain.	       =0Ds: I don't speak for Smiths, and Smiths doesn't speak for me.      * ******************************************G The information contained in, or attached to, this e-mail, may contain=mD  confidential information and is intended solely for the use of the=G  individual or entity to whom they are addressed and may be subject to=.H  legal privilege.  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Plotting extensions for the interpreting languages Perl,gB Python and Java are also supported for the most operating systems.  G DISLIN distributions and manuals in PDF, PostScript and HTML format are # available from the DISLIN Home Page         http://www.dislin.de    and via FTP from the server/  (      ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/grafik/dislin    --------------------t   Helmut Michels=   Max-Planck-Institut fuer Aeronomie  Phone: +49 5556 979-334 =   Max-Planck-Str. 2                   Fax  : +49 5556 979-240TB   D-37191 Katlenburg-Lindau           Mail : michels@linmpi.mpg.de   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2004 01:35:37 -0800% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)1V Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-2/AMDS/AVAILMAN] AVAILMAN installation deletes AMDS$CONSOLE.EXE= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0402160135.3a1cb26d@posting.google.com>o  > While we are on the subject of the AMDS/AvailMan installation:  ? Could you also have a look at the behaviour of the installationp6 procedure to replace the files AMDS$DRIVER_ACCESS.DAT,C AMDS$CONSOLE_ACCESS.DAT and AMDS$LOGICALS.COM instead of preservingu them?e  D Most products provide template files and instruct the system managerD to compare the actual files with the provided new templates and make changes accordingly.   Thanks in advance!  	 Bart Zorn   g "Barry Kierstein" <Barry.Kierstein@HP.Com> wrote in message news:<u84Xb.369$pK.180@news.cpqcorp.net>...* > Peter, > L >     Sorry for the delay, many things going on in getting a new release out
 > the door... N >     This behavior is not intended.  The team here will check to see if there > are any problems.u >  > Barry Kiersteini > AM/DECamds Project leaderh   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.093 ************************