1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 20 Feb 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 101       Contents: 2nd hand Alphas in UK? Re: 2nd hand Alphas in UK? ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.7  Re: ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.7  Re: Changing IP address  Re: DCL Numerical symbols 5 Re: DCL procedure to find and delete unused accounts? " Re: DECnet-plus "SET HOST" problemB Re: DIR /PAGE output differs between SET HOST (RTA) and RSH (TNA)? Dual VMS data centers  Re: fopen binary and fdopen   Re: GD graphics lib on CSWS 1.3?, How to check  power supply in VAX 4000-705A?) Re: HP leaks news of Intel x86-64 product E HP raises guidance - posts in-line 1Q numbers, boosts 2Q sales target : Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !!: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !!: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !!: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !!  Re: Mozilla and Cyrillic letters  Re: Needed: Macro Vax Programmer  Re: Needed: Macro Vax Programmer# OpenVMS Basic Compiler Distribution P Re: OpenVMS thrashes slowaris and aix in cluster tco/virus study ... again! ... P Re: OpenVMS thrashes slowaris and aix in cluster tco/virus study ... again! ...  OT Re: Probably a dumb question  Probably a dumb question Re: Probably a dumb question Re: Probably a dumb question Re: Probably a dumb questionP Re: RDB database becomes disabled by remote user failures because of  security rP Re: RDB database becomes disabled by remote user failures because of security re Re: SAN or NAS ? Re: SAN or NAS ?4 Re: Solved: "Known problems with V7.3 security MUP?"4 Re: Solved: "Known problems with V7.3 security MUP?" Re: Why was VAX abandoned ?  Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?7 Re: will these third-party CD-ROM drives work with VMS?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:06:06 GMT # From: oahlefel..at..metz.une.edu.au  Subject: 2nd hand Alphas in UK? = Message-ID: <dd6dcdbbc9a727bcd59cc91d671833da@news.scbiz.com>   : Does anyone know the contact details for suppliers of used: Alphas in the UK? I know that people like Island Computers< will happily ship to Britain, but we have a user in Scotland8 who is hoping to get an Alpha from a local supplier. All  suggestions gratefully received.   Thanks,  Erik Ahlefeldt   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2004 04:30:23 -08001 From: matthew.finbow@btinternet.com (Matt Finbow) # Subject: Re: 2nd hand Alphas in UK? = Message-ID: <ec25d2bf.0402200430.2e6d8238@posting.google.com>   h oahlefel..at..metz.une.edu.au wrote in message news:<dd6dcdbbc9a727bcd59cc91d671833da@news.scbiz.com>...< > Does anyone know the contact details for suppliers of used< > Alphas in the UK? I know that people like Island Computers> > will happily ship to Britain, but we have a user in Scotland: > who is hoping to get an Alpha from a local supplier. All" > suggestions gratefully received. > 	 > Thanks,  > Erik Ahlefeldt  ? In no particular order, some URL's that may be of interest are:   ( http://www.abacus-computing.com/home.htm) http://www.azteqcorporation.com/index.htm & http://www.com-com.co.uk/en_home.ihtml http://www.equipsystems.co.uk/7 http://www.hammer-computer-parts.co.uk/main/mainfr.html  http://www.icc4it.co.uk/" http://www.lightningsystems.co.uk/ http://www.microsystem.co.uk/  http://www.mitlimited.com/ http://www.opendirect.co.uk/   Apologies if I've missed anyone  Matt Finbow    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Feb 04 14:02:48 EST) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook)  Subject: ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.7! Message-ID: <$pubN5vPkVFA@wvnvms>   . Release 3.7 of VMS Mosaic is now available at:  .     ftp://alpha.wvnet.edu/mosaic/mosaic3_7.zip  B VMS Mosaic is a GUI web browser.  It supports HTML V4.0 (includingD tables and frames), animated GIFs, cookies, secure connections, etc.C It does not support Java, JavaScript or style sheets.  A C compiler  is required to build it.  7 3.7 includes the following changes since release 3.6-2: G -----------------------------------------------------------------------   o Added support for IA64 "  o Added support for Compaq/HP SSL8  o Added support for Motif 1.2-6, 1.3-0, 1.3-1 and 1.4-13  o Added support for 24 bit uncompressed BMP images 8  o Added support for BMP images to internal image viewer,  o Added support for FACE in <BASEFONT> tags=  o Added preference and menu option to enable/disable hotkeys 9  o Added preference setting for maximum number of cookies :  o Added preference setting for maximum cookies per domain.  o Added preference for invalid cookie promptsG  o Added preference to override browser safe colors if TrueColor visual   o Added support for &tilde A  o Added partial support for &rarr, &larr, &uarr, &darr and &bull    o Added detection of <?xml tagsH  o Fixed problem where inline frames displayed on top of the scroll bars+  o Fixed scroll bar tracking during reloads )  o Upgraded PNG library to version 1.0.14 )  o Upgraded ZLIB library to version 1.2.1 6  o Updated the DOCUMENTS.MENU file and the online help8  o Updated default Usenet search and List directory URLs%  o Removed CCI option from Debug Menu   o Various bug fixesG -----------------------------------------------------------------------      George Cook  cook@wvnet.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:53:56 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  Subject: Re: ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.7) Message-ID: <40351451.7F3DE838@istop.com>    George Cook wrote: > 0 > Release 3.7 of VMS Mosaic is now available at: > 0 >     ftp://alpha.wvnet.edu/mosaic/mosaic3_7.zip  9 Neat ! I thought that development of Mosaic had stopped ?   M And while we are on the subject of browsers, my version of Lynx point to help J files on the net which no longer exist. Has anyone else experienced this ?$ Where is the Lynx help now located ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:43:51 +0100 + From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>   Subject: Re: Changing IP address: Message-ID: <c15doq$1e1vc8$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>  3 "issinoho" <issinoho@slayme.com> schreef in bericht 7 news:d0141774.0402191735.55f0e55d@posting.google.com...  > Simple question really... H > 2x Alpha cluster (VMS 7.1, Pathworks 5.0f & UCX 4.1) with quorum disk.1 > I want to change the IP addresses of the boxes. G > Now obviously I need to run UCX$CONFIG but do I need to watch for any G > other gotchas? The only other main service being offered is Pathworks  > to mainly Win9x clients.. > How about reboots? Should they be necessary? >  > Many thanks.  H Use UCX$CONFIG to stop the IP protocol and modify the IP address on eachH node. IIRC the procedure will ask you whether you want to add another IPK address or not. The other things you need to modify are the default gateway K (if you move to another IP network) and the cluster alias (if you use one). H Other things may have to change as well, but that depends on the change,C i.e. do the nodes need a different nodename, different domain name,  different DNS server etc. K After you're done, start the IP protocol again. DECnet and LAT can stay up.    Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:43:53 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>" Subject: Re: DCL Numerical symbols+ Message-ID: <c12ljq$oku@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   / "DXP" <daveparboo@hotmail.com> wrote in message 6 news:819f1cc4.0402190725.eb778e6@posting.google.com...2 > Can anyone help/explain the following behaviour? > $ > $ a=9999999999       ! 10 nines... > $ sh sym a8 >   A = 1410065407   Hex = 540BE3FF  Octal = 12402761777  5 9999999999  is hex 2540BE3FF. DCL integers are 32-bit B signed ints with no overflow indication. Yes, this can be annoying but is hardly unique to DCL.  ? Scaling, splitting into high and low words by hand are options. E [When I were a lad, 16-bit registers were a luxury comments omitted].    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:55:10 +0000 ) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> > Subject: Re: DCL procedure to find and delete unused accounts?- Message-ID: <c14p2f$26ta$1@godfrey.mcc.ac.uk>    Stephen Eickhoff wrote: F > Just so I don't have to reinvent the wheel, has anyone written a DCLM > procedure to find users that haven't logged in for a certain amount of time  > and disable or delete them?  >  >   D Some years ago, I wrote a program in Pascal that did something like I this. It uses DCL CLD and with it you can select records from the UAF on  G almost any criteria. It doesn't modify the UAF, but you can generate a  F file of users that satisfy whatever criteria you specify and then use  that to process them in DCL.  I If you are interested, then send me an e-mail and I'll package it up and  F send it to you. Note, I've never compiled it on an Alpha! It was also H oroginally built on a VMS 5.5 system, but it should work on more recent 	 versions.    Tony.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:53:47 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> + Subject: Re: DECnet-plus "SET HOST" problem 0 Message-ID: <Cc-dnXaeaP3Tnqvd4p2dnA@comcast.com>   Have you tried SET HOST 0?     healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:  I >I'm running DECnet-plus on my VMS server, and recently I discovered that 6 >"SET HOST" to the local host no longer seems to work. >  >$ set host monk> >%SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable >$   > H >I'm honestly not sure if I can "SET HOST" to a remote host, as the onlyL >other system I've had up running DECnet was a RSTS/E system that I'm trying >to get DECnet configured on.  > M >I can't figure out what I could have done to break this, and I can't figure  C >out where I could look.  I don't see anything in the OPERATOR.LOG.  >  >			Zane >    >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:39:34 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>K Subject: Re: DIR /PAGE output differs between SET HOST (RTA) and RSH (TNA)? : Message-ID: <c159nn$1eehes$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   sms@antinode.org wrote: > > From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> >  >> sms@antinode.org wrote:: >>>    Today's annoyance:  Different output from DIR /PAGE	 between a 5 >>> DECterm connected by SET HOST (RTA) and a DECterm  connected by RSH; >>> (TNA). DECterms run on ALP, where the display is local.  One is >>> ...  > ; >> Something is messing up your TAB stops when you use RSH.  You = >> can try a few different things to track down what is doing  it, = >> or you can put a bandage on it by adding SET TERM/NOTAB to  >> your login. > ; >    I can't imagine what, and it's not obvious.  If I just  type > something like5 X<Tab>X<Tab>X<Tab>X<Tab>X<Tab>X<Tab>X<Tab>X<Tab>X, it ! > looks exactly the same on them.  > 3 >    And SET TERM /NOTAB does not change the output  (differences). > ..  7 Wow, every time I have seen what you have described SET = TERM/NOTAB fixes it so I thought for sure that would fix this : one. Try capturing the output somehow (SET TERM /LOG?) and= look at what each session is sending back to the terminal. Is 7 one of them trying to place the cursor at certain spots 9 (<ESC>[x;yH) like that terrible MIME utility does and the < other only using spaces and tabs? If I use telnet to connect= to a box and use DIR/PAGE I see only see spaces and tabs, but ! I have no idea what RSH would do.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2004 10:31:10 -0800 From: tim267@msn.com (Tim) Subject: Dual VMS data centers= Message-ID: <327155b6.0402201031.5569903f@posting.google.com>   B We're looking into setting up dual data centers with 4 ES 45 alphaN servers. Each site are to be locally clustered (2 nodes) with DRM taking placeA periodically. Idea is to for one center be DR backup site for the  other.  A We feel we can make the configuration work with ES 45's, sans and  HSG80s. F HP seems to be insistant of larger configurations (ES 47's etc.) whichD takingthis palen way out of budget. (Working ith a VAR is an option,, but, that is not the point of this message.)  F Please let me know of your success with Dual VMS Data centers and yourF configuration. Thank you in advance for any assistance on this matter.   Regards, Tim    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2004 04:30:12 -0800- From: bhushann@hotmail.com (Bhushan Narkhede) $ Subject: Re: fopen binary and fdopen< Message-ID: <8a3b834.0402200430.5ff68503@posting.google.com>   Hi Richard,   .    Thank you for the inputs that you provided.: I have according been able to open my binary test.lib with) fdopen(filename, "r") and latter read it.    Thanks and Regards,  Bhushan   ] "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<c125ub$lvo@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>... < > "Bhushan Narkhede" <bhushann@hotmail.com> wrote in message8 > news:8a3b834.0402190250.4c5f8736@posting.google.com... > > > >  I have a piece of code that I am not able to get working.H > > I have a code that generates a binary file say test.lib with fopen()C > > and  the other code that tries to use open() and then fdopen(). B > > Open() succeeds and fdopen() with binary mode "rb" on the file# > > descriptor fails with error 22.  > B > If you have "b" on the fdopen(), you need "ctx=bin" on the open.A > Or you could just use plain file IO and just use fopen() again.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:57:35 GMT 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>) Subject: Re: GD graphics lib on CSWS 1.3? & Message-ID: <4034DCD4.19F1C919@hp.com>  
 Witchy wrote:  >  > Hi folks,  > E > Thanks to Rick Barry I've got an almost fully functioning webserver  > running on hobbyist VMS 7.3   	 <snip...>     	 > Thanks!  >  > --	 > cheers,  >  > witchy/binarydinosaurs  # Alpha, or by a happy chance - VAX??    Mike --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:30:49 GMT 0 From: "Milt Zlatic" <milton.t.zlatic@boeing.com>5 Subject: How to check  power supply in VAX 4000-705A? ( Message-ID: <HtE8nC.3H6@news.boeing.com>  J The power supply is an H7874. How can I check the power supply under load?   Thanks,  Milt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:08:29 +0100   From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>2 Subject: Re: HP leaks news of Intel x86-64 product, Message-ID: <c157tf$3bp$1@news.cybercity.dk>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > David Svensson wrote: $ >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy; >> <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message / >> news:<c0vcnr$32n$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >> <snip>   >> Yes. ;), B >> but HP must have known about Intel x86-64 for a very long time. >> > A > So we now apparently have 2 "industry standard" 64bit platforms @ > many people would conclude that this is 1 "standard" too many. >   H Indeed.  Personally, I would (and have previously) questioned the notionI that IA64 has ever been or *was ever intended* to be *industry standard*. L It escapes me why Curly and Carley and so many others have touted this myth.   Intel != Industry Standard x86 = Industry Standard   H Not quite the same.  And IIRC Intel did not and may never have for all IK know ever claimed that IA64 was going to be the industry standard for CPUs. : I think some of IA64s boosters made this up by themselves.  
 Dr. Dweeb.> > And everybody knew about the Intel x86-64 long before it was8 > announced, Yamhill leaks and Prescott die photos being2 > only some of a number of sources of information. > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:49:38 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.comN Subject: HP raises guidance - posts in-line 1Q numbers, boosts 2Q sales targetQ Message-ID: <OFC817E546.4B8B1707-ON85256E40.005149B3-85256E40.0051681C@metso.com>    HP raises guidanceC The No. 1 maker of personal computers and printers posts in-line 1Q  numbers, boosts 2Q sales target  February 19, 2004: 6:52 PM EST- By Paul R. La Monica, CNN/Money senior writer     G NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Hewlett-Packard, the world's top manufacturer of K personal computers, reported fiscal first quarter results that were in line - with the guidance the company gave last week.     I More importantly, the company raised sales guidance for the fiscal second F quarter, another sign of improving demand in the tech sector. During aJ conference call with analysts, HP chairman and CEO Carly Fiorina said thatC the company was seeing momentum in the market for tech products and 	 services.     C HP rival Dell reported strong fourth quarter earnings last week and D reaffirmed its sales and earnings guidance for the first quarter. InK addition, the company gave an upbeat outlook about corporate tech spending. H That optimism was echoed by chip equipment firm Applied Materials, which) reported its latest results on Wednesday.     K Palo Alto, Calif.-based HP reported net income of $936 million, or 30 cents K a share, compared to $721 million or 24 cents a share a year ago. Excluding J charges, the company posted a profit of $1.4 billion, or 35 cents a share,< in line with the consensus estimate of Wall Street analysts.    J HP reported sales of $19.5 billion, up 9 percent from a year ago, matchingH the target the company gave last week. Analysts were predicting sales of $19.4 billion.    I For the fiscal second quarter, HP said it expected sales to be in a range K of $19.2 billion to $19.6 billion, ahead of the consensus estimate of about C $19.1 billion. The company also said it expects earnings, excluding D charges, to be about 34 cents a share. That's in line with analysts'
 estimates.    I The company also confirmed that it should meet the consensus earnings per J share estimate of $1.43, excluding charges, for fiscal 2004, which ends inB October. That would be an increase of 23 percent from fiscal 2003.    6                      Compaq merger finally paying off?    G Shares of HP (HPQ: Research, Estimates) slipped nearly 2 percent on the J news after hours. But the stock gained 35 cents, or 1.5 percent, to $23.86I in regular trading on the New York Stock Exchange Thursday. HP shares are D up about 4 percent year to date and are less than 10 percent off its
 52-week high.     E The company has a been favorite whipping boy of Wall Street since its H merger with Compaq was announced in 2001. But for the second consecutiveJ quarter, HP posted an operating profit in all four of its major divisions.    J "HP delivered a solid quarter," said Fiorina in a written statement. "In aG seasonally weak period we demonstrated HP's earnings potential with our 3 most balanced profit performance since the merger."     K Some might disagree that the period was seasonally weak, however, since the J quarter, which ended in January, included the key holiday shopping season.A HP's personal systems unit, which includes personal computers and F handhelds, reported a 20 percent increase in sales from a year ago. InK fact, with sales of $6.2 billion, the division had a higher amount of sales F than HP's printing division, usually the largest in terms of revenues.    K Operating profits in the personal systems division surged 88 percent to $62 J million, a good sign since there were some concerns that price wars in theF PC industry with competitors Dell and Gateway could take a toll on theH company's profits. To be sure, operating profit margins in this unit areK still relatively small at just 1 percent. HP retook the global market share 0 lead in PCs from Dell during the fourth quarter.    J The company's enterprise systems unit, which includes storage, servers andJ software, also posted an operating profit and a year-over-year increase inJ sales. The division reported operating income of $108 million, compared toJ a loss of $82 million a year earlier. Sales grew 5 percent from a year ago$ but were down slightly sequentially.    F HP's most profitable business -- printing and imaging -- also reportedJ year-over-year gains in sales and operating income. Sales rose 5.6 percentH to $5.9 billion while operating profits grew 6.3 percent. The division's* operating margins came in at 16.4 percent.    H The services division, however, saw a steep decline in operating profitsJ despite an uptick in revenue. Operating profits dipped 24 percent, to $258K million, while sales increased 6.4 percent to $3.2 billion. In the earnings J release, Fiorina cited increasing pricing pressures and continued weakness in the consulting industry.     J Still, Steve Paspal, senior analyst with Sovereign Asset Management, whichJ owns HP, said that the company needed to show continued momentum in its PC; and enterprise divisions, and it appears that HP delivered.     J What's more, the overall 2Q sales guidance that HP gave implies that salesK would be up in a range of 7 percent to 9 percent from a year ago. Investors I have been waiting for HP to start showing sustained increases in revenue.     H "A lot of earnings consistency of late has come from cost cutting," saidC Paspal. "What we want to see is consistent growth on the top line."     I However, HP, which generated 57 percent of its total revenue from outside J the Americas, also continued to benefit from a relatively weak dollar. TheH company said that total sales grew only 1 percent from a year ago, after$ adjusting for currency fluctuations. Find this article at: 7 http://money.cnn.com/2004/02/19/technology/hp/index.htm    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:52:35 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukC Subject: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !! ) Message-ID: <c12ijj$am4$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   n In article <9mt730hp1tj18i51hhj09ifmaeolgm1n18@4ax.com>, Robert Klute <robert_klute_removethis@hp.com> writes:I >On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:06:34 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  >wrote:  >  > M >>HP need to tackle the issue. They cannot pretend nothing happened otherwise N >>they will lose credibility. IA64 has just been relegated to low volume nicheL >>market and has absolutely 0 of the originally promised benefits (low cost,M >>industry standard, commodity). Goeing forward with IA64 today means that HP N >>will need to support 4 additional platforms (VMS, NSK, HPUX, Linux) on theirF >>IA64 boxes, and then support them on the 8086, on to of the original  >>VAX/Alpha/MIPS/PaRisc support. > I >Why all the platform support?  HP could support VMS, NSK, HPUX, Windows, I >and Linux on IA-64.  Then support 32-bit and x86-64 Windows and Linux on E >on its Industry Standard Server (ISS) boxes (whether they use AMD or A >Intel chips).  The legacy support would slowly dissappear as the  >architectures are retired.   G Why would anyone want to run Windows on IA64 if they can have "Industry  standard" x86-64 ?K ISVs will not have to worry about porting. Customers will not have to worry L that Microsoft will decide that IA64 has to small a market and pull support.  M The future of IA64 is now (although lots of us have been saying it always has  been) in doubt. K HP can either soldier on with IA64 as a proprietary chip just used for it's I operating systems (I doubt there will even be much call for Linux on IA64 
 by users).H Alternatively HP can drop IA64 before they have shipped any real systems> and therefore remove the need to support IA64 into the future.L They already need to support IA32, ALPHA, VAX, MIPS and PA/Risc for a number	 of years. J If they drop support for IA64 then they need to have a replacement in mind< since otherwise they will lose all their enterprise systems.B The only two candidates would appear to be either x86-64 or Power.C (with a resurrected Alpha as a third but probably unlikely option).   = I would hope that HP have already investigated these options.      > F >Even though it was announced in July (if I remember correctly), thereB >are still no 8ways based on the Opteron 800.  Intel appears to beI >focusing in on the desktop to 2way space with it's offering.  Cray still C >talks about Red Storm with lots of caveats and warnings in its SEC A >disclosures.  So, right now, I see little evidence of the x86-64 I >architectures being generally used in anything other than the desktop to  >4way space. > G >That leaves IA-64 as Intel's offering in the large SMP space.  It is a  >place Microsoft wants to be.     K Microsoft had that place with all the chips that Windows NT used to run on. @ That didn't save NT support on Alpha so why should it save IA64.            ' >Its gives HP a single architecture for B >enterprise systems and a separate one for ISS.  Coming from a BigD >Iron/Tin background, I just don't see what being able to run a 8086/ >derivative ISA brings to the enterprise table.  >    Two phrases    Industry Standard  Commodity pricing         
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >  >Robert Klute,9 >Who speaks for himself and not the company he works for.  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:38:32 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> C Subject: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !! ? Message-ID: <YL4Zb.3641$t16.2850787@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>   + "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message , news:c11o91$hgi$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl... ...  > L > I have seen video statements by Carly that "OpenVMS is a strategic product for L > HP". Why not send brochures with this statement to HP customers? Why don't they> > explicitely revoke Bob Palmer's strategy in such a brochure? > H > We all know that nothing is so difficult as reversing a negative image about a J > product. And what public efforts have Compaq and HP done for VMS in thisJ > respect? Nothing, absolutely nothing. HP's VMS non-marketing division isJ > effectively working as SUN's marketing division, and very well too I can assure > you. >   J Nothing?  That's simply not true.  Have you seen the new OpenVMS brochure? It's at:  6 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/index.html  L A lot of the material available on that page is new, you should take a look.  ! Direct links to the brochure are:   @ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/openvms_brochure.pdf  @ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/openvms_brochure.htm   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:11:54 GMT 3 From: Robert Klute <robert_klute_removethis@hp.com> C Subject: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !! 8 Message-ID: <nq1a305vidh9vep9us5kfskgivrs1ag68n@4ax.com>  E On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:59:32 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy . <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:  < >I am sure that Microsoft would like to sell Windows 2003 on9 >large 8+ way servers but in reality that market is tiny.  > ? >Windows platforms with more than 8+ CPU's are not new Sequent, > >Unisys and IBM all have or had platforms in this space. Sales1 >ot these platforms have been very dissapointing.  > > >If you take non x86 platforms then NT on Alpha also supported0 >8+ CPU systems and again it failed to take off.  : That was long ago and a different generation of Windows.    A >But the introduction of Windows on AMD64 and Intels new platform > >means that Windows on Itanium is now one of 2 64bit platforms? >supported by Microsoft and a platform that has huge advantages = >for MS. They can for example port SQL-Server and a few other = >apps that may benefit from 64bit support but not bother with = >the rest of their products that won't. They also do not have ; >to participate in the same level of ISV capture to the new = >platform because only a minority of apps benefit from 64 bit 	 >support.  > * >Windows on Itanium will struggle against: > H >Customers unwillingness to deploy very large SMP systems using Windows.I >The availability of large x86 SMP based systems running essentially the  7 >same OS but with better price performance than Itanium @ >A very small software portfolio compared with Windows on AMD64.  H Until someone starts announcing an AMD64 bigger than a 4way, it is moot.C Price performance only counts when comparing boxes that deliver the  performance you need.       D >This has all the characteristics of the situation that hastened the >demise of NT on Alpha.  > B >The same also applies to Linux on Itanium, which basically leavesA >IPF as the migration platform for Alpha, MIPS (Tandem) and HP-PA @ >customers, which would be fine except that the economics of IPF6 >don't suggest that this would be a sustainable model.  E Why, I don't see why it won't be sustainable for HP.  I don't see why H you would think so, unless you are looking down the road at your companyG and finding your RISC processor unsustainable.  Itanium is platform III 7 for VMS, and, come to think of it, for HP-UX and NSK.     A The Linux and Windows market will be driven by performance of the  applications that run on it.      
 Robert Klute, 8 Who speaks for himself and not the company he works for.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:58:35 GMT 3 From: Robert Klute <robert_klute_removethis@hp.com> C Subject: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !! 8 Message-ID: <mk1a30t1chccdob4c7vdo9m98fgd4oc9gm@4ax.com>  F On 19 Feb 2004 17:47:21 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:  9 >In article <9mt730hp1tj18i51hhj09ifmaeolgm1n18@4ax.com>, 7 >	Robert Klute <robert_klute_removethis@hp.com> writes:  >>  I >> That leaves IA-64 as Intel's offering in the large SMP space.  It is a G >> place Microsoft wants to be.  Its gives HP a single architecture for 3 >> enterprise systems and a separate one for ISS.    > @ >But wasn't the desire to only support one architecture given asD >the reason for killing off the Alpha?  What you describe is exactly" >what they had prior to Alphacide.  A As I remember HP didn't kill Alpha, Compaq did that.  Not that it B changes much. HP would have changed the roadmap, anyway, to show aD migration to Itanium for VMS instead of future generations of Alpha.5 Tru-64 was doomed the moment the merger went through.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:33:31 -0500 ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> ) Subject: Re: Mozilla and Cyrillic letters 1 Message-ID: <Eb6dnQuZ87eBMKndRVn-tA@adelphia.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:   I >I don't see 173 and 255.  Also, the (formerly) missing letters are in a  A >font which is slightly smaller and thinner than the other ones.   > L I guess not all the characters you need are in the font(s) you installed :-)  H >Where could I find documentation on WHY things work now (and why those H >few things which don't work (two letters still missing, different font C >than the other letters) don't)?  In other words, from .PCF to the  . >character set specified in the HTML META tag? >    > 1 You'll have to ask the DECwindows folks that one.   I >Something I noticed: Why is there no HELP for FONT/DIR, even though the  * >command works and there is HELP for FONT? >    >  Ditto.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:52:39 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> ) Subject: Re: Needed: Macro Vax Programmer * Message-ID: <40360317.6060605@comcast.net>  I How many lines of Macro?  What other information is available about what  L the program is supposed to do, input file formats, output file formats, etc?  # tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com wrote:   D >Contact Information: tutor_nospam_@cfl.rr.com (remove the _nospam_) >  >Macro Vax Programmer  > ! >To read the macro instructions,  3 >taken from an object program and run in debug mode : >(original source is missing, object was found in an OLB) + >and create a Cobol program or pseudocode.   > + >There is only one program (at this time).   >N& >Lowest and fastest time wins the bid. >  >  >    >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:56:33 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>) Subject: Re: Needed: Macro Vax Programmero: Message-ID: <c15l93$1embvv$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>  # tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com wrote:s > Hello.2 >    The called module is about 80 lines of macro.; > Whether you can figure out the pseudocode, or better yet,.	 write thec > cobol - is the question., > Willing to pay a straight $100 us dollars.6 > Paid as corp to corp - the tax issues are all yours! >t	 > Jerroldt >e
 > Example: >l > Line    63: TSTW     @B^4(AP) + >                : BNEQ     OVRPCH\%LINE 66N6 > Line    64: MOVAB    B^OVRPCH\%LINE 64+7,B^-100(R11)* >               : BRB      OVRPCH\%LINE 73* >               : BRB      OVRPCH\%LINE 68  < If you mean $100/line then I have someone who could probably= give you a COBOL routine in a week or so. If you really meantr $100 total, then good luck.h   -- s Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.a Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXh www.weaverconsulting.cau   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2004 07:52:37 -0800- From: phillip_thayer@hotmail.com (PhilThayer) , Subject: OpenVMS Basic Compiler Distribution= Message-ID: <5ee1d1b7.0402200752.39c1afcc@posting.google.com>m  F Hi.  The company I work for purchsed the OpenVMS BSIC compiler licenseF for an AlphaServer, However we don't have the BASIC distribution CD toE install BASIC on the AlphaServer.  The cost of the BASIC CD is almost  as much as the license itself.  F Would anybody out there have a copy of the BASIC Distribution CVD thatC I could have/borrow/FTP from/etc...  It would really help us a lot.i   Thanks,i Phil  F (It is pretty bad when the license and Distribution CD are qbout equal= in cost.  Why not just charge for the License and PROVIDE the6 distribution CD.)l   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:34:39 +0100d( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS thrashes slowaris and aix in cluster tco/virus study ... again! ... n3 Message-ID: <001201c3f783$ffb31a10$994614ac@wat153>i   Hello,   <<< B OpenVMS's relative obscurity as an OS is one reason why it is lessG likely to be hacked over and above any technical merit it may have fromf a security standpoint. >>>-  G Andrew, this is your private standpoint and have nothing to do with theeD reality. There are OSes which do have less market share then OpenVMSC including LINUX (1.8% Linux and 6.4% OpenVMS). But this one will be.G attack more then OpenVMS. Dayly I do see security patches for LINUX anyeF flavour. There is a hacker contest every year in the USA and they willD have a lot of OSes including OpenVMS. But, as I did write before, noD hacker was able to compromise OpenVMS. DECUS Germany did also made aE contest. Nobody did break in with priviledges. Could you say the sametE for Solaris? Why are the most systems within stocks, healthcare, chipo industry OpenVMS systems?e   Best regards Rudolf Wingertw   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:40:10 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>/Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS thrashes slowaris and aix in cluster tco/virus study ... again! ... w' Message-ID: <40362A5A.4010709@MMaz.com>t   Rudolf Wingert wrote:c   >Hello,. >  ><<<C >OpenVMS's relative obscurity as an OS is one reason why it is lessIH >likely to be hacked over and above any technical merit it may have from >a security standpoint.  >    >k >nH >Andrew, this is your private standpoint and have nothing to do with theE >reality. There are OSes which do have less market share then OpenVMS 0 >including LINUX (1.8% Linux and 6.4% OpenVMS).  >MH And what is the basis for these numbers?  Revenue? If that is the case, H then Linux is the clear winner since in most cases it is free, if it is I head count of users, then there still could be more Linux systems simply iA because they used most often used as servers and not interactive  @ systems...  Also, are these regional, or world-side?  How about D explaining your stats and putting your source for the stats in your  message next time?     Barry2   -- -  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:11:26 -0500k From: norm.raphael@metso.com( Subject: OT Re: Probably a dumb questionQ Message-ID: <OF790D7A9A.5C37D48F-ON85256E40.00535FED-85256E40.0053672D@metso.com>a  
 /<wry SOH on>C  @ Newsgroup pollution notwithstanding, I want to know if Andrew is? mocking Sue's acknowledged spelling weakness, or if, perchance, , they attended the same school system   ;-) ?     Sue Skonetski wrote:J > Can somone [someone] explain to me why there keeps being really horrible mailH > about JF in a newsgroup like this one (computer related)? I guess I do/ > not understand the objective of such garbage.o >dF > I have had the chance to work with JF on several different occasionsE > and found him knowledgable, [knowledgeable and] willing to give his- opinion and fight for-H > what he belived was the right thing for VMS and our customers.  I knowJ > nothing about his personal life [life,] and I think that these notes areA > designed to take up CPU so that other issues are not discussed?D [discussed.] YouK > know [know,] like thrashing [trashing] Andrew ;') thats [. That's] a jokea [joke,] Andrew.  > 5 > Can you please make the replies simple so I get it?I >o  4 He seems to have offended an internet stalker who is> now harrasing [harassing] him from various anonymous accounts.  9 Its [It's] difficult to understand what the poster(s) areeD trying to acheive, [achieve;] their posts certainly havn't [haven't] altered-C my opinion of JF and they obviously havn't [haven't] had any effect  on your opinion either.e  6 I would ignore them unless you are collecting examplesA of obscure anglo saxon [Anglo-Saxon] insults for a thesis of somes kind.o   regards [Regard,]  Andrew Harrison4   /<wry SOH off>   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2004 04:49:58 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)d! Subject: Probably a dumb questionr< Message-ID: <857e9e41.0402200449.52f22cb@posting.google.com>  C Can somone explain to me why there keeps being really horrible mailsF about JF in a newsgroup like this one (computer related)? I guess I do- not understand the objective of such garbage.a  D I have had the chance to work with JF on several different occasionsE and found him knowledgable, willing to give his opinion and fight fortF what he belived was the right thing for VMS and our customers.  I know@ nothing about his personal life and I think that these notes areD designed to take up CPU so that other issues are not discussed?  You3 know like thrashing Andrew ;') thats a joke Andrew.o  3 Can you please make the replies simple so I get it?    suen   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2004 08:18:33 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)-% Subject: Re: Probably a dumb questione3 Message-ID: <k1drjp4X893E@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  p In article <857e9e41.0402200449.52f22cb@posting.google.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes:  E > Can somone explain to me why there keeps being really horrible mailgH > about JF in a newsgroup like this one (computer related)? I guess I do/ > not understand the objective of such garbage.   @ You have made the mistake of assuming that everybody with access to a computer is rational :-)s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:52:18 +0000oO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>b% Subject: Re: Probably a dumb questiond0 Message-ID: <c153ei$4hl$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Sue Skonetski wrote:E > Can somone explain to me why there keeps being really horrible maillH > about JF in a newsgroup like this one (computer related)? I guess I do/ > not understand the objective of such garbage.r > F > I have had the chance to work with JF on several different occasionsG > and found him knowledgable, willing to give his opinion and fight forvH > what he belived was the right thing for VMS and our customers.  I knowB > nothing about his personal life and I think that these notes areF > designed to take up CPU so that other issues are not discussed?  You5 > know like thrashing Andrew ;') thats a joke Andrew.i > 5 > Can you please make the replies simple so I get it?t >   4 He seems to have offended an internet stalker who is2 now harrasing him from various anonymous accounts.  2 Its difficult to understand what the poster(s) are7 trying to acheive, their posts certainly havn't altereda9 my opinion of JF and they obviously havn't had any effecto on your opinion either.o  6 I would ignore them unless you are collecting examples3 of obscure anglo saxon insults for a thesis of somei kind.<   regardsc Andrew Harrisonj   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:37:48 -0600n( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)% Subject: Re: Probably a dumb questionI1 Message-ID: <04022008374854@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>l  < In article <857e9e41.0402200449.52f22cb@posting.google.com>,3 susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes:H  E > Can somone explain to me why there keeps being really horrible mail H > about JF in a newsgroup like this one (computer related)? I guess I do/ > not understand the objective of such garbage.'   Garbage is correct.t         J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nf VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:29:47 +0100	  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>Y Subject: Re: RDB database becomes disabled by remote user failures because of  security rl, Message-ID: <c15cls$b1i$1@news.cybercity.dk>   JF Mezei wrote:  > sdavidson@uss.com wrote: >> database (ex.< >> A4VDHS"RDB_RMT_TST"::TST_DB_ROOT:[MVS.DB]MVSDGS_RDB.RDB). >oC > The above assumes a proxy exists allowing the current user on thea8 > current node to act as user RDB_RMT_TST on node A4VDHS   <snip>  @ > Are the machines relatively near each other ? If so, you mightG > considering clustering the various nodes so that users can access theuD > RDB database as if it were local, removing the need to have decnet > remote proxies/access.  L There are performance reasons to have unclustered access to Rdb.  ClusteringG is usually not the appropriate solution for a perceived security issue.E  	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:43:22 -0500j< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>Y Subject: Re: RDB database becomes disabled by remote user failures because of security ree: Message-ID: <c15kgd$1ep4jh$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   sdavidson@uss.com wrote:; > We have RDB databases on several Alpha/VAX computers.  In 	 order forf; > our remote users to use the RDB database we the users putG the name ofa> > the computer and the database in string to be use for access the  > database (ex.h< >  A4VDHS"RDB_RMT_TST"::TST_DB_ROOT:[MVS.DB]MVSDGS_RDB.RDB).
 Because of9 > security we have to start disabling user accounts afterl three logint8 > failures, this has already locked up our RDB database.
 Trying to setn= > proxies to the database does not seem too feasible since sot many= > users know the database names and most users want their owng account-7 >  to default to their account on the computers not the0 database. Does< > anyone have any ideas on how to set up an account that can be8 > accessed remotely and not be disabled by VMS security?  8 I'm not 100% sure I understand the issue, but if you are- saying what I think you are then you can try;d   $ SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM $ RUN AUTHORIZEc, > ADD/PROXY othernode::username1 RDB_RMT_TST, > ADD/PROXY othernode::username2 RDB_RMT_TST, > ADD/PROXY othernode::username3 RDB_RMT_TST >... or; > ADD/PROXY othernode::* RDB_RMT_TST ! Let everyone use thec account   < In either case the users would still have their main proxies as default, i.e.;n2 > ADD/PROXY othernode::username1 username1/DEFAULT   Is that what you were after?   -- t Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.c Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXm www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:09:57 +0000 ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>u Subject: Re: SAN or NAS ? ? Message-ID: <VZ6Zb.1514$wJ5.1407@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>o  ? > 	4 Gig this year.  10 Gig?  Ouch!  Will it happen in the next. > 	5 years?r  I My cheap 60 mobo has a 1Gb ethernet port on it - admittedly the rest of tD the infrastructure here is 100Mb (and the remaining hosts are 10Mb).  D When I worked for a switch/router vendor, 10Gbe was just around the F corner, and it still seems to be. Now I work for a NAS vendor and the E question is "when do we need to have a 10Gb front end?". My personal iD guess is that your desktop client will be on a 1G network when your I building is next rewired (perhaps a few years from now) and your servers  C will be on 10Gb connections within three years (and thanks to deja  I you'll be able to remind me how far out I was for a lot longer than that   :-)).    Antonioh   --   ---------------y- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgj   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2004 08:27:46 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)7 Subject: Re: SAN or NAS ?a3 Message-ID: <d+5S0ayJgSvL@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  _ In article <BC5C028B.2421A%x@wedontwantyourspam.com>, nospam <x@wedontwantyourspam.com> writes: F > in article 2TeZb.28975$fW.14620@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com, Mike Naime at- > mnaime@kc.rr.com wrote on 20/02/2004 14:08:. >  >>  9 >> Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in messagesN >> All of this is a moot point without having a 4GIG HBA that you can put into >> your server.  :-)J >   It still a moot point if you did, cause I'm surprised if technology is+ > such that a single spindle  could keep up  >     	I didn't write that - Mike did.   				Robz   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:49:44 +0000oO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>-= Subject: Re: Solved: "Known problems with V7.3 security MUP?"E0 Message-ID: <c12lus$8rc$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Paul Sture wrote:+* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  >>Paul Sture wrote:@ >> >>>NF >>>This newsgroup is littered with too many of your messages, fuelling; >>>futile arguments. 10 of them by mid-morning this Monday.t >>>e( >>>Don't you have anything better to do? >>>n >>A >>When the Trolls stop trolling Rob, Bob etc then I will be happy  >>to stop posting. >> >  >  > Aha. >  > Enlightenment hits me. n > 6 > Your sole purpose here is to disrupt this newsgroup. >   ( How did you work that out from my post ? > Nothing more. Nothing less.e >  > The case rests M'lud.u > ; Perhaps a career as an advocate would not be a good choice.o   regardss Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:50:42 GMTN& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>= Subject: Re: Solved: "Known problems with V7.3 security MUP?" 8 Message-ID: <eut930h5qkkj8dc93h9gdioebdpq1ik95p@4ax.com>  H On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:03:04 +0100, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote:  ) >Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:    >u >The case rests M'lud.   You misspelled M'FUD --- jlsr0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:15:43 -0500S* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandoned ?) Message-ID: <40350B5E.2AD4B3F7@istop.com>o   Daryl Jones wrote: >  > Dear JF Mezei: > G > You should read the Foreward section Digital Technical Journal, AlpharH > AXP Architecture and Systems, Volume 4 Number 4, page 17. You can find
 > this at: > L > http://www.research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/DTJ800/axp-foreword.txt   Many thanks.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:32:08 -05000< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>% Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? : Message-ID: <c1599q$1dqa0i$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   Bob Koehler wrote:< > In article <c0u3dh$1cdhr4$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Peter9 > Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:o >>= >> You can do that now with the latest version of CHARON-VAX.  >i6 >    Nice.  But is there a hobbyist version again?  My Pico-VAX expired >    in September.   Not that I know of.c   -- s Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.r Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.cak   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:51:47 +0100s  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>% Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?i, Message-ID: <c15aem$73b$1@news.cybercity.dk>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:D > The VAX ran out of gas for a lot of reasons.  Some more valid thanE > others. By the time Alpha was introduced, we had figured out how toeF > build a much faster VAX (perhaps not as fast as an Alpha even at the > time in raw performance).n >hE > The technical reasons for not building faster VAXes have to do withoE > instruction format, memory ordering, and others.  If Alpha had beenoE > designed for VMS-only, then I suspect it would have made more senserC > to build an extended VAX, while eliminating some instructions andoE > instruction formats, and relaxing memory ordering.  Could they havecF > built a VAX that could be competetive today?  With enough thrust you0 > can make a pig fly - x86 is the prime example. >  >P  I Indeed, it is one of the most successful fighter jets ever built - the F4   	 Dr. Dweebm   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2004 10:30:49 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones)s% Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?n= Message-ID: <8a646952.0402201030.55343262@posting.google.com>1  T "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> wrote in message news:<c15aem$73b$1@news.cybercity.dk>... > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:F > > The VAX ran out of gas for a lot of reasons.  Some more valid thanG > > others. By the time Alpha was introduced, we had figured out how touH > > build a much faster VAX (perhaps not as fast as an Alpha even at the > > time in raw performance).l > >.G > > The technical reasons for not building faster VAXes have to do withoG > > instruction format, memory ordering, and others.  If Alpha had beentG > > designed for VMS-only, then I suspect it would have made more sensegE > > to build an extended VAX, while eliminating some instructions andpG > > instruction formats, and relaxing memory ordering.  Could they haveeH > > built a VAX that could be competetive today?  With enough thrust you2 > > can make a pig fly - x86 is the prime example. > >  > >h > K > Indeed, it is one of the most successful fighter jets ever built - the F4a >  > Dr. Dweeb      Dear Dr. Dweeb:i  E Thanks for the memories and LOLs. Indeed the F4 flew like a pig aftere a total burn out.d  
 Best Regards,t Daryl Jonesu   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2004 09:27:39 -0800. From: al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com (William Webb)@ Subject: Re: will these third-party CD-ROM drives work with VMS?< Message-ID: <d5ce4b06.0402200927.d9825a2@posting.google.com>  d "Jeff Humber" <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<c10tqq$ur$1@titan.btinternet.com>...	 > Philip,  > M > I believe you need to configure the CD-ROM for 512 bytes to achieve OpenVMSr > compatibility. > E > Check out the link below, it mentions the Plextor & Toshiba models.o > - > http://narpes.com/aw/vax/dec-cdrom-list.txtl > 
 > Regards, >  > Jeff >  > N > "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>1 > wrote in message news:c10qfe$u49$1@online.de...eK > > I've come across some third-party CD-ROM drives.  Any idea if they willu= > > work with VMS?  (And if so, what jumper settings I need?)r > >lE > > Cyberdrive 120S.  Only 4 jumpers, clearly labeled for SCSI-ID and, > > termination. > >,A > > Plextor PX-32TSi.  8 jumpers, clearly labeled for SCSI-ID andoI > > termination, as with the Cyberdrive, but also parity, test, block and I > > eject.  I assume that "block" is to switch between 512 and 2048 bytesrL > > per sector.  Should "parity" be jumpered?  What could "test" and "eject" > > be for?s > >pD > > Toshiba XM-5701B.  8 jumpers, like the Plextor, but not labeled. > >r   Ask and ye shall receive.p% Here are the Toshiba jumper settings:   ) http://www.cec-computer.dk/cdjump.htm#12Xr   WWWebb   ========================! William W. Webb- EMS Operations, r OpenVMS Systems Support % USPS DSSC Annex - 4730 Hargrove Road r( Raleigh, NC 27616-2874 919.325.7500x4186 * * * -8   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.101 ************************