1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 21 Feb 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 102       Contents: Re: 2nd hand Alphas in UK? Re: ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.7  Re: ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.7  Re: DCL Numerical symbols 5 Re: DCL procedure to find and delete unused accounts? 5 Re: DCL procedure to find and delete unused accounts? 5 Re: DCL procedure to find and delete unused accounts? " Re: DECnet-plus "SET HOST" problem" Re: DECnet-plus "SET HOST" problemB Re: DIR /PAGE output differs between SET HOST (RTA) and RSH (TNA)? Re: Error mounting a disk  Re: Error mounting a disk 1 Future of OpenVMS = Application Services Provider : Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !!: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !!: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !!: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !!= Re: JFK Airtrain: Good News, Bad News, Good News and Bad News P Re: Marketeering and Software Engineering (was: Re: Solved: "Known problems with  Re: Needed: Macro Vax Programmer  RE: Needed: Macro Vax Programmer  Re: Needed: Macro Vax Programmer  RE: Needed: Macro Vax Programmer Needed: Macro Vax Programmer  Re: Needed: Macro Vax Programmer Re: new TCPIP patch for 5.3 > Re: Open Source developers are not to be thrusted says article7 Re: Port to forward behind ADSL router for DECWindows ? P Re: RDB database becomes disabled by remote user failures because of  security rP Re: RDB database becomes disabled by remote user failures because of security reP Re: RDB database becomes disabled by remote user failures because of security re Re: SAN or NAS ? Re: SAN or NAS ?4 Re: Solved: "Known problems with V7.3 security MUP?" Re: system directory confusionP Re: TCPIP V5.4: DECnet/IP: remote nodes cannot translate address -> name -> name% Re: TCPTRACE and SQL Service OCI port  Re: Why was VAX abandonned ? Re: XP1000 technical manual? Re: XP1000 technical manual? Re: XP1000 technical manual?5 Re: [TCPIP V5.4] Session Disconnects (and DISCONNECT) 5 Re: [TCPIP V5.4] Session Disconnects (and DISCONNECT) 5 Re: [TCPIP V5.4] Session Disconnects (and DISCONNECT) 1 [TCPIP V5.4] Session Disconnects (and DISCONNECT)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:18:32 +0000 & From: Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk># Subject: Re: 2nd hand Alphas in UK? 1 Message-ID: <190220042118328016%nospam@yrl.co.uk>   = In article <dd6dcdbbc9a727bcd59cc91d671833da@news.scbiz.com>, $ oahlefel..at..metz.une.edu.au wrote:  < > Does anyone know the contact details for suppliers of used< > Alphas in the UK? I know that people like Island Computers> > will happily ship to Britain, but we have a user in Scotland: > who is hoping to get an Alpha from a local supplier. All" > suggestions gratefully received. > 8 I'm in the UK, and I buy my 2nd-hand alphas from Island.E If there is enough money in it, I'll deal with your user in Scotland, D insulate him from the evil David Turner and maybe cuddle the VMS forE him. David *is* a pom. He can probabaly be understood with subtitles,  even North of Hadrian's wall.    (i'm just a happy customer)  Elliott    --  N Swen has got to me. I thought I would be the last on earth to mangle my e-mail address. fsnospam$elliott$$    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Feb 04 16:55:39 EST) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook)   Subject: Re: ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.7! Message-ID: <RXMgp$h1FOKM@wvnvms>   V In article <40351451.7F3DE838@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > George Cook wrote: >>  1 >> Release 3.7 of VMS Mosaic is now available at:  >>  1 >>     ftp://alpha.wvnet.edu/mosaic/mosaic3_7.zip  > ; > Neat ! I thought that development of Mosaic had stopped ?   E Yes, NCSA stopped development back around 1996-97, but I've continued G development on VMS since then although the previous release (3.6-2) was 	 in 2000.    O > And while we are on the subject of browsers, my version of Lynx point to help L > files on the net which no longer exist. Has anyone else experienced this ?& > Where is the Lynx help now located ?  C The Lynx home page is http://lynx.isc.org/.  The main help page and  User Guide are both there.     George Cook    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:41:34 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  Subject: Re: ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.7) Message-ID: <403549A1.325E5F62@istop.com>    George Cook wrote:G > Yes, NCSA stopped development back around 1996-97, but I've continued I > development on VMS since then although the previous release (3.6-2) was 
 > in 2000.  ) Thanks. I still use it from time to time.   E > The Lynx home page is http://lynx.isc.org/.  The main help page and  > User Guide are both there.  M I'll have to see where the help is located and hack into Lynx to change where / help goes. (I think it is a configurable item).    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2004 16:37:18 -0800& From: chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG)" Subject: Re: DCL Numerical symbols= Message-ID: <dd3f0cb7.0402201637.4b3a4b22@posting.google.com>   f daveparboo@hotmail.com (DXP) wrote in message news:<819f1cc4.0402190725.eb778e6@posting.google.com>...2 > Can anyone help/explain the following behaviour? > $ > $ a=9999999999       ! 10 nines...$ > $ a=99999999999      ! 11 nines...D > I need to be able to do some basic arithmetic with numbers of thisG > magnitude in a dcl procedure, but if the symbols are not doing what I  > ask it is somewhat difficult.   F The following GOSUB DCL routine will subtract two very large numbers. F I use it to get hourly byte statistics from LANCP SHOW DEVICE/COUNTERS@ output, which at our site can be >32bits even though we zero the counters every hour.  > $!This subtracts two positive numbers passed in as DCL decimal
 strings.  The > $!numbers can be extremely large; the limit is almost 61 bits: 2.147x(10^18). $!= $!   Subroutine input symbols:  MINUEND, SUBTRAHEND.  (may be 	 modified) D $!   Subroutine output symbols: DIFFERENCE as a formatted [-]decimal string.  $SUBTRACT_64BIT:C $    !Break up input numbers into two strings in case longer than 9  digits.   $    MIN_LEN = F$LENGTH(MINUEND) $    IF (MIN_LEN .GT. 9)	 $    THEN 0 $      MIN_HIGH = F$EXTRACT(0,MIN_LEN-9,MINUEND)! $      MINUEND = MINUEND-MIN_HIGH 	 $    ELSE  $      MIN_HIGH := 0
 $    ENDIF $!# $    SUB_LEN = F$LENGTH(SUBTRAHEND)  $    IF (SUB_LEN .GT. 9)	 $    THEN 3 $      SUB_HIGH = F$EXTRACT(0,SUB_LEN-9,SUBTRAHEND) ' $      SUBTRAHEND = SUBTRAHEND-SUB_HIGH 	 $    ELSE  $      SUB_HIGH := 0
 $    ENDIF $!' $    !Subtract the two parts separately & $    DIFF_HIGH = 'MIN_HIGH'-'SUB_HIGH'& $    DIFF_LOW = 'MINUEND'-'SUBTRAHEND' $!+ $    !Handle overflow and negative results.  $    IF (DIFF_HIGH .LT. 0)@ $    THEN       !Swap parts to get +result.  We add "-" to final
 result below. E $      DIFF_HIGH = -DIFF_HIGH                   !We want A-B but A<B,  soC $      DIFF_LOW = -DIFF_LOW                     !since (A-B)=-(B-A) 
 $    ENDIF, $    IF (DIFF_LOW.LT.0 .AND. DIFF_HIGH.GT.0)	 $    THEN E $      DIFF_LOW = DIFF_LOW+1000000000           !Borrow the 1 billion 9 $      DIFF_HIGH = DIFF_HIGH-1                  !Repay it 
 $    ENDIF $!B $    !Format the result, which can still be too large for a 32 bit integer. $    IF (DIFF_HIGH .EQ. 0)	 $    THEN A $      DIFFERENCE := 'DIFF_LOW'                 !No leading zeros 	 $    ELSE F $      DIFFERENCE := 'DIFF_HIGH''F$FAO("!9ZL",DIFF_LOW)'  !DIFF_LOW is 9 digits
 $    ENDIFA $    IF (MIN_HIGH .LT. SUB_HIGH) THEN DIFFERENCE := -'DIFFERENCE' 
 !(A-B)=-(B-A)  $    RETURN  $!--End of GOSUB routine   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 02:07:45 GMT 8 From: "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@nospam.comcast.net>> Subject: Re: DCL procedure to find and delete unused accounts?0 Message-ID: <R3zZb.356537$I06.3763635@attbi_s01>  J Here is a simple procedure that extracts the password related fields using SYSUAF list file as input.   Regards, Tom      $! File Name: PWD_REPORT.COM $! Author: Tom Simpson $! Date:   12-July-2003  $!B $!   This command procedure lists the username and password status information 0 $!   each user in the system authorization file. $! $! Example:  $!- $!  Password Status Report for System: OSIJX3  $!F $! Username      PWD Expire  PWD Min  PWD Life      PWD Chg Date   PWD LockedL $! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- J $! APACHE$WWW    (none)      6         90 00:00    (pre-expired)       YESJ $! DCE$SERVER    (none)      6         30 00:00    (pre-expired)       YES $!L $! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---  $! $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO EXIT  $! $ say := write sys$output  $ True  = 1  $ False = 0  $! $ node = f$getsyi("nodename")  $!; $ set message/notext/noseverity/nofacility/noidentification + $! define/user sysuaf sys$system:sysuaf.dat  $ mcr authorize list /full *3 $ set message/text/severity/facility/identification G $ search sysuaf.lis "Username:","Flags:","Expiration:","Pwdlifetime:" - ,    /out=sys$scratch:pwdaccounts_searched.tmp $ delete/nolog sysuaf.lis; $!7 $ open/read infile sys$scratch:pwdaccounts_searched.tmp  $! $ rcount = 0 $! $ say ""4 $ say "  Password Status Report for System: ''node'" $ say ""G $ say "Username         PWD Expire  PWD Min  PWD Life      PWD Chg Date  PWD Locked"  $ say L "--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---" $! $LOOP: $ read infile data/end=nomore , $ if (f$extract(0,9,data) .eqs. "Username:") $ then8 $   user = f$edit(f$extract(10,16,data),"TRIM,COLLAPSE") $ endif  $! $ pwdlocked = "NO "  $ read infile data) $ if (f$extract(0,6,data) .eqs. "Flags:")  $ then5 $   if (f$locate("LockPwd",data) .lt. f$length(data))  $   Then $     pwdlocked = "YES" 	 $   EndIf  $ endif  $! $ read infile data/ $ if (f$extract(0,11,data) .eqs. "Expiration:")  $ then2 $   expdate = f$edit(f$extract(21,10,data),"TRIM")1 $   pwdmin  = f$edit(f$extract(46,3,data),"TRIM")  $ endif  $! $ read infile data0 $ if (f$extract(0,12,data) .eqs. "Pwdlifetime:") $ then2 $   pwdlife = f$edit(f$extract(21,10,data),"TRIM")2 $   pwdchg  = f$edit(f$extract(45,19,data),"TRIM")% $   pwdchg  = f$element(0," ",pwdchg)  $ endif  $!@ $! say "USER=''user' EXP=''expdate' PWM=''pwdmin' PWL=''pwdlife' PWC=''pwdchg'" $!  $  say f$fao("!(17AS)",user) + -(             f$fao("!(12AS)",expdate) + -'             f$fao("!(10AS)",pwdmin) + - (             f$fao("!(12AS)",pwdlife) + -'             f$fao("!(20AS)",pwdchg) + - %             f$fao("!(4AS)",pwdlocked)  $! $ rcount = rcount + 1  $ goto loop  $! $NOMORE: $ say L "--------------------------------------------------------------------------- " . $ say "There were ''rcount' accounts reported. $ say L "--------------------------------------------------------------------------- "  $! $EXIT: $!2 $ If f$trnlnm("INFILE") .nes. "" Then close infile5 $ delete/nolog sys$scratch:pwdaccounts_searched.tmp;*  $ exit    ; "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@example.com> wrote in message 2 news:PdEXb.13784$5W3.10413@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > E > "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message - > news:newscache$p683th$0k61$1@news.sil.at... D > > In article <HEtXb.21578$1S1.5833@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, "Stephen	 Eickhoff" ! > <operagost@example.com> writes: I > > >Just so I don't have to reinvent the wheel, has anyone written a DCL K > > >procedure to find users that haven't logged in for a certain amount of  > time  > > >and disable or delete them? > > L > > Have you looked at http://dcl.openvms.org ? Maybe there is what you look > for, > J > I've found some helpful stuff there, but nothing like this. I don't evenG > know how to access system services from DCL- some help there would be J > appreciated. It seems DECUS has a tool to do this. I just downloaded it, but I > as I don't have DECC installed, I imagine it won't do me any good. Only  > Alpha objects are included.  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:22:42 +0100 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>> Subject: Re: DCL procedure to find and delete unused accounts?* Message-ID: <c14qks$rvl16@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>   Stephen Eickhoff wrote: F > Just so I don't have to reinvent the wheel, has anyone written a DCLM > procedure to find users that haven't logged in for a certain amount of time  > and disable or delete them?  >  > O We use an utility called XUAF (original name UAF) which comes from Joe Meadows. H It allows selection oder user according to a set of criteria and display selectable data, e.g. 4 $ XUAF /DISP=(username,inter) /sele=inter=1-jan-2003P will display all usernames and their last interactive logindate which had logged! into the system since 1-jan-2003. > I edited a little bit to include the new flags, e.g. PWDMIX...  6 If you like, I can send it to you, it is written in C. --    + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regards   3 Karl Rohwedder          | it-ingteam(at)t-online.de A                          | extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:43:07 +0000 ) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> > Subject: Re: DCL procedure to find and delete unused accounts?- Message-ID: <c14rsb$28li$1@godfrey.mcc.ac.uk>    Karl Rohwedder wrote:    > Stephen Eickhoff wrote:  > G >> Just so I don't have to reinvent the wheel, has anyone written a DCL J >> procedure to find users that haven't logged in for a certain amount of  >> time  >> and disable or delete them? >> >>I > We use an utility called XUAF (original name UAF) which comes from Joe  
 > Meadows.J > It allows selection oder user according to a set of criteria and display > selectable data, e.g. 6 > $ XUAF /DISP=(username,inter) /sele=inter=1-jan-2003H > will display all usernames and their last interactive logindate which  > had logged# > into the system since 1-jan-2003. @ > I edited a little bit to include the new flags, e.g. PWDMIX... > 8 > If you like, I can send it to you, it is written in C.  I Sounds very similar to my utility (except mine was written in Pascal). I  8 believe the two were developed completely independently!   Tony.    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Feb 2004 22:19:56 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com + Subject: Re: DECnet-plus "SET HOST" problem , Message-ID: <c1616c11aku@enews3.newsguy.com>  ! John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote: I > For set host to RSTS/E, you need to use "$ set host/application=rterm". G > DECnet used to failover automatically to RTERM if CTERM (the default) K > failed (RSTS/E only does RTERM), but it stopped doing this at about V6.0, H > so you have to be explicit.  (It's been about 4 years since I accessedH > a real live RSTS/E system over DECnet, so it is possible they've fixed
 > this...)  K I'd tried "$ set host/application=rterm", but that hadn't worked, hopefully I now that I've got my DECnet problems on VMS resolved this will work.  I'm > also hoping that some of the other wierdness is fixed as well.  I > For RSTS/E to VMS, I think you need the unsupported "SET HOST" program, D > NETUNS.TSK, instead of NET.TSK.  I just renamed DECNET$:NET.TSK toI > NETSUP.TSK and DECNET$:NETUNS.TSK to NET.TSK, so $ SET HOST would work. F > (NETUNS works RSTS/E<->RSTS/E, so I don't think you lose anything by > doing this.)  F I'll keep this in mind.  I basically care about being able to log intoJ RSTS/E from VMS (a way to get there from my Mac), and copying files to andJ from RSTS/E.  Still, I do want the ability to log into VMS should I have a reason to ever.   J Now, I need to find time to roll the BA123 containing my /73 back out intoH the dining room (had to put it away last weekend as we needed the room).   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 00:49:31 -0500   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>+ Subject: Re: DECnet-plus "SET HOST" problem 6 Message-ID: <1040220003246.15727A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ) On 20 Feb 2004 healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:   J > I'm running DECnet-plus on my VMS server, and recently I discovered that7 > "SET HOST" to the local host no longer seems to work.  >  > $ set host monk ? > %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable  > $    Version, etc.?B Works for me on Alpha VMS V7.3-1, VAX VMS V7.3.  Sounds like maybeD your name space is messed up.  Is "monk" a DECNET-IV-compatible name or a TCP/IP name or DNS name?   : Try $ set host local:.monk if using the local namespace or< $ set host domain:.monk if this is a TCP/IP name.  (Not sure> how you use DNS, since I've never used it, but I think you useA the DNS namespace instead of local: or domain:.)  DECnet normally $ tries this in the order specified by2  $ mcr ncl show session control naming search path? but if one of the naming services is messed up, it could break.   = Another thing to try is "$ set host 0".  This should go right : to the local host even if all the name resolution stuff is broken, I think.  ( This should reveal where the problem is.  B Do other DECNET functions work?  I.E. $ DIR MONK"user password"::?   > I > I'm honestly not sure if I can "SET HOST" to a remote host, as the only M > other system I've had up running DECnet was a RSTS/E system that I'm trying  > to get DECnet configured on.  G For set host to RSTS/E, you need to use "$ set host/application=rterm". E DECnet used to failover automatically to RTERM if CTERM (the default) I failed (RSTS/E only does RTERM), but it stopped doing this at about V6.0, F so you have to be explicit.  (It's been about 4 years since I accessedF a real live RSTS/E system over DECnet, so it is possible they've fixed this...)  G For RSTS/E to VMS, I think you need the unsupported "SET HOST" program, B NETUNS.TSK, instead of NET.TSK.  I just renamed DECNET$:NET.TSK toG NETSUP.TSK and DECNET$:NETUNS.TSK to NET.TSK, so $ SET HOST would work. D (NETUNS works RSTS/E<->RSTS/E, so I don't think you lose anything by doing this.)  N > I can't figure out what I could have done to break this, and I can't figure D > out where I could look.  I don't see anything in the OPERATOR.LOG. > 	 > 			Zane    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:55:45 -0600 (CST)  From: sms@antinode.orgK Subject: Re: DIR /PAGE output differs between SET HOST (RTA) and RSH (TNA)? ) Message-ID: <04022022554576@antinode.org>   < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>  9 > Wow, every time I have seen what you have described SET ? > TERM/NOTAB fixes it so I thought for sure that would fix this < > one. Try capturing the output somehow (SET TERM /LOG?) and? > look at what each session is sending back to the terminal. Is 9 > one of them trying to place the cursor at certain spots ; > (<ESC>[x;yH) like that terrible MIME utility does and the > > other only using spaces and tabs? If I use telnet to connect? > to a box and use DIR/PAGE I see only see spaces and tabs, but # > I have no idea what RSH would do.   @    Interesting.  RSH and Telnet produce (apparently) essentially. identical TN terminals.  SHOW TERM differs so:  6 alp $ diff /merge = 0 TNA4_RSH.OUT;1 TNA5_TELNET.OUT;1 ************! File ALP$DKA0:[SMS]TNA4_RSH.OUT;1 F     1   Terminal: _TNA4:      Device_Type: VT300_Series  Owner: _TNA4:C     2                                                 Username: SMS 0     3   Remote Port Info: Host: alp User: SYSTEM ******$ File ALP$DKA0:[SMS]TNA5_TELNET.OUT;1F     1   Terminal: _TNA5:      Device_Type: VT300_Series  Owner: _TNA5:C     2                                                 Username: SMS 8     3   Remote Port Info: Host: alp Locn: _FTA44:/SYSTEM ************  C However, the Telnet one does DIR /PAGE just fine, while the RSH one D gives the scrambled results.  I'll try to capture the output and see9 what's being done differently.  Everything's complicated.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:00:12 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> " Subject: Re: Error mounting a disk0 Message-ID: <kLKdnZeO7YVNeKvdRVn-uw@comcast.com>  / $ MOUNT /OVERRIDE=IDENTIFICATION  ARTEMIS$DIA1:   m To find the volume label and then dismount it and remount it with /SYSTEM or /CLUSTER using the volume label.      R. D. Davis wrote:  D >While looking at the disks in a device listing on my VAX, I noticed< >that one of the disks is listed as online and not mounted.  >  >$ sh dev/fu artemis$dia1: > J >  Disk ARTEMIS$DIA1:, device type RF31F, is online, file-oriented device,A >      shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled.  > M >  Error count                    0   Operations completed                180 M >  Owner process                 ""   Owner UIC                         [0,0] M >  Owner process ID        00000000   Dev Prot    S:RWED,O:RWED,G:RWED,W:RWED M >  Reference count                0   Default buffer size                 512 M >  Total blocks              393600   Sectors per track                    50 M >  Total cylinders              984   Tracks per cylinder                   8 M >  Host name              "ARTEMIS"   Host type, avail              RF3F, yes  >  > G >If I attempt to mount the disk, the following messages appear.  How do D >I find out what the right volume name of this device is in order toD >mount it, or how else can I mount this disk?  It's been quite a fewF >years since I've done much with VMS, and am a little rusty with a fewC >things.  I bought this system used a few years ago, and am finally G >getting around to playing with it ...and am curious what, if anything,  >is on this disk. :-)  > . >  $ mount/system artemis$dia1: vaxdisk2 disk2; >  %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-FEB-2004 23:00:20.80  %%%%%%%%%%% % >  Message from user SYSTEM on VAX040 2 >  device _ARTEMIS$DIA1: contains the wrong volume > C >  %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, device _ARTEMIS$DIA1: contains the wrong volume ; >  %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-FEB-2004 23:00:21.04  %%%%%%%%%%% ( >  Request 4, from user SYSTEM on VAX0408 >  Please mount volume VAXDISK2 in device _ARTEMIS$DIA1: > I >  %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, Please mount volume VAXDISK2 in device _ARTEMIS$DIA1: ; >  %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-FEB-2004 23:00:21.04  %%%%%%%%%%% ( >  Request 4, from user SYSTEM on VAX0408 >  Please mount volume VAXDISK2 in device _ARTEMIS$DIA1: >  >  >    >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:03:12 -0800 3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> " Subject: Re: Error mounting a disk. Message-ID: <4036E690.5060908@Flying-Disk.com>   R. D. Davis wrote:  H > If I attempt to mount the disk, the following messages appear.  How doE > I find out what the right volume name of this device is in order to . > mount it, or how else can I mount this disk?  > I have a simple procedure for doing this.   CAUTION!!! This is> not a good idea to do in most cases.   I use it primarily when= mounting CDROMs when there is no danger of someone writing to  the wrong disk.    $!	S y s M o u n t . C o m $!8 $! Command procedure to mount a disk system-wide without $! knowing its volume label. $!' $! P1 = Disk device name (e.g. DKA400:)  $!B $ Old_Privs = F$SetPrv("SYSNAM,SYSPRV")	! Make sure we can Mou/Sys9 $ Mount /NoAssist /Foreign 'P1		! Let system find volname 7 $ Label = F$GetDVI("''P1'", "VOLNAM")	! Get volume name ? $ Dismount /NoUnload 'P1		! Dismount disk, but keep it spinning 9 $ Mount /NoAssist /System 'P1 'Label	! Remount it /System 8 $ X = F$SetPrv(Old_Privs)		! Restore original privileges $ Exit   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2004 16:03:51 -0800. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso): Subject: Future of OpenVMS = Application Services Provider= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0402201603.52f26294@posting.google.com>   9 So, how many ASPs are running OpenVMS as their main core   solution  ? ; I think resellers like  Island for example and a few of you S Integrators sould think  about in create an ASP based in OpenVMS servers/solutions.    Think about ....   Regards    FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:10:30 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>C Subject: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !! ) Message-ID: <40351833.745244CB@istop.com>    Robert Klute wrote: G > Why, I don't see why it won't be sustainable for HP.  I don't see why J > you would think so, unless you are looking down the road at your company1 > and finding your RISC processor unsustainable.      K Alpha, Sparc and Pa-Risc were sustainable because they were/are made by the I same vendor who also sells the systems as well as the software. Just like G compilers, the chips are seen as "necessary evils" to generate sales of 1 systems and software that generate the big bucks.   K So you can justify sinking money into chip and compiler development because C you know you'll get the money back when you sell the large systems.   M IA64 might be sustainable if it went back to HP. HP's budget could then apply ; the cross subsidies from systems sales to chip development.   J But if IA64 remains at Intel, Intel will have to charge a hell of a lot ofL money per chip to not only pay for its development for low volumes, but alsoL to generate profits for Intel, because unlike HP, Intel can't justify losingI money on chips because those chips don't generate sales of other products ' whose profits justify the loss in IA64.     E The other difference is that Alpha and PaRisc were lean and mean Risc M architectures, and like that of the 8086, seemed to be much easier and faster K to work with to improve performance. If IA64 is consistently 1 year late to L market (and that is being nice), then it will consistently be one generationL behind its competitors whose architectures allow quicker-to-market upgrades.  H And it is pretty hard to justify putting much more money to get IA64 out* faster when it is such a low volume chip.   M So I think that the combination of low volume AND flawed architecture is what  will kill IA64.     N Remember that while Intel/HP may be tempted to prevent the 8086 from competingM against IA64 by limiting its features/performance, AMD won't have such limits J and if it comes out with 8086s that are better or near the performance andN features of IA64, then Intel won't have a choice but to also allow its 8086 toN reach/surpass IA64 performance. And this means the death of IA64 since it willE be seen as a bloated, expensive architecture that doesn't give HP any  performance edge over others.   M Alpha has, for most of its life, had performance and features that gave it an L edge over competitors. So its low-volume disadvantage was outweighted by theT fact that it at least had serious competitive edge in terms of features/performance.  J But IA64 is just another chip that is trying to catch up to what Alpha hasM today. "Digital has it now, IA64 may have it in 3 years". IA64 is a political I decision to help Intel, it isn't a technological decision to get the best  possible product.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:37:25 -0800 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>C Subject: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !! 2 Message-ID: <ovednT0Juo9ay6jd4p2dnA@mpowercom.net>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:40351833.745244CB@istop.com... L > But if IA64 remains at Intel, Intel will have to charge a hell of a lot ofI > money per chip to not only pay for its development for low volumes, but  alsoG > to generate profits for Intel, because unlike HP, Intel can't justify  losingK > money on chips because those chips don't generate sales of other products ) > whose profits justify the loss in IA64.  > C I'd disagree with your premise.  Intel has been subsidizing Itanium I development for what, about 10 years now?  The theory wass customers will G outgrow Xeons as x86 hits performance limits, so customers will move to I Itanium.  If AMD had not come out with the Athlon and now the Opteron the I strategy would have worked.  If Xeon now moves to 64 bit and keep scaling I past 4Ghz there has to be a question of whether Itanium can keep up, with " AMD and with internal competition.  L Intel can't cripple Xeon 64 bit performance or they'll risk losing the smallI server market to AMD.  The x86 market competition is brutal, just look at J how it has forced Intel to rush into production the P4 and now the P4 withK AMD64 compatibility (geez that's got to hurt the engineering team at Intel, J turned into the very copycat reverse engineers they once made fun of).  So* what happens if a Xeon outruns an Itanium?  H That competition is going to continue to drive up performance in the x86J market.  As it stands now Intel is behind in the design/delivery curve forK 64-bit processors, and it looks like AMD will have the market to itself for G the rest of the year (except for the usual Intel paper-launches).  Does L Intel abandon Itanium to the PowerPC and Sparc niche only, and start cuttingF back the development money?  How can they ever recover the billions inK Itanium R & D costs now?  Those Xeon subsidies have to go to the *other* 64 5 bit server chip now, regardless of what Intel claims.   H And how long before the same kill-the-alpha arguments start to be echoed" back to HP as regards the Itanium? > G > The other difference is that Alpha and PaRisc were lean and mean Risc H > architectures, and like that of the 8086, seemed to be much easier and fasterJ > to work with to improve performance. If IA64 is consistently 1 year late toC > market (and that is being nice), then it will consistently be one 
 generationD > behind its competitors whose architectures allow quicker-to-market	 upgrades.  > F One year late is being very generous.  Can Intel keep IA64 performanceH sufficiently far ahead of AMD to justify the sky high price of the chip?K And does the 8-way Itanium really have a big chipset thruput advantage over H an 8-way Opteron and hypertransport?  The scanty benchmarks so far don'tD seem to bear that out.  Where does Itanium excel over AMD other thanD floating point, and exactly how does a fast floating point unit make database queries run faster? > J > And it is pretty hard to justify putting much more money to get IA64 out+ > faster when it is such a low volume chip.  > J > So I think that the combination of low volume AND flawed architecture is what > will kill IA64.  > I Well sure, it killed the Alpha, but we all know the Itanium is completely L different.  This time it's Intel's dollar, not DEC/Compaq/HP.  HP can afford6 to hang in there until Intel's very last dime is gone. > 0 > And this means the death of IA64 since it willG > be seen as a bloated, expensive architecture that doesn't give HP any  > performance edge over others.  > L The warning flag will come when HP announces HP-UX for x86-64.  The next dayK museums will make room near to their venerable iAPX32s for its big brother. K I think at least one reporter commented on the silence from HP at the Intel = Developer lovefest as to plans to move HP-UX to 64-bit Xeons.   J Actually I don't think Itanium will be killed off.  Intel can recover someL of it's investment from captive PaRisc and Alpha customers forced to move toG Itanium systems.  I do expect IPF CPU development to start slowing down J after the current round of Itanium roadmaps is filled.  Iterations will beJ cheap improvements, bigger and bigger caches with process shrinks, and whoJ cares about yield when the demand is in the 10K/year range?  The good newsK it VMS is likely to survive as a niche system along with NSK.  Now if I had ) an Itanium HP-UX system I'd be worried...     Jack Peacock    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:09:39 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> C Subject: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !! ' Message-ID: <403685A3.5040502@MMaz.com>    Jack Peacock wrote:   K >Actually I don't think Itanium will be killed off.  Intel can recover some M >of it's investment from captive PaRisc and Alpha customers forced to move to  >Itanium systems.    > I That presumes one thing, that frustrated Tru64, HP-UX, MPE and VMS sites  A to don't tell HP to kiss their collective back sides and move to  
 alternatives.     B Remember DEC's BI Fubar?  Going from open buses to BI was a major I mistake and people walked!  If HP is so blind and stupid to believe that SI their non-Wintel customers will pay unnecessary premiums for the benefit eE of running their OS of choice by way of IA-64, I really believe that nF they'll change their OS!  That change may not be immediately evident, C but watch how many people 'park' their OS and apps until they must  F change at which point anyone besides HP will be considered viable.  I I can't speak for anyone else, but I have a long memory about software and  H hardware vendors that have screwed me over my professional career and I F never repeat business with them and encourage others to avoid them as  well...      Barryw   --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        l   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:12:18 +0000rO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>rC Subject: Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !!c0 Message-ID: <c14q2j$1ds$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Robert Klute wrote:eG > On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:59:32 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancya0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  > = >>I am sure that Microsoft would like to sell Windows 2003 onu: >>large 8+ way servers but in reality that market is tiny. >>@ >>Windows platforms with more than 8+ CPU's are not new Sequent,? >>Unisys and IBM all have or had platforms in this space. SalesP2 >>ot these platforms have been very dissapointing. >>? >>If you take non x86 platforms then NT on Alpha also supported 1 >>8+ CPU systems and again it failed to take off.  >  > < > That was long ago and a different generation of Windows.   > 7 NT on Alpha yes, but not Windows 2000 on IBM/Unisys etcs< and their sales have been tiny despite being 100% compatible with low end x86 systems.T   > B >>But the introduction of Windows on AMD64 and Intels new platform? >>means that Windows on Itanium is now one of 2 64bit platforms-@ >>supported by Microsoft and a platform that has huge advantages> >>for MS. They can for example port SQL-Server and a few other> >>apps that may benefit from 64bit support but not bother with> >>the rest of their products that won't. They also do not have< >>to participate in the same level of ISV capture to the new> >>platform because only a minority of apps benefit from 64 bit
 >>support. >>+ >>Windows on Itanium will struggle against:h >>I >>Customers unwillingness to deploy very large SMP systems using Windows.aJ >>The availability of large x86 SMP based systems running essentially the 8 >>same OS but with better price performance than ItaniumA >>A very small software portfolio compared with Windows on AMD64.d >  > J > Until someone starts announcing an AMD64 bigger than a 4way, it is moot.E > Price performance only counts when comparing boxes that deliver theh > performance you need.  m >   = You appear to have missed the Intel announcments, their 64bitu: extensions to x86 are going to be compatible with AMD64 so? any vendor producing large Intel x86 based servers, for example > IBM will be producing something that is compatible with AMD64.     >  > E >>This has all the characteristics of the situation that hastened thec >>demise of NT on Alpha. >>C >>The same also applies to Linux on Itanium, which basically leaves:B >>IPF as the migration platform for Alpha, MIPS (Tandem) and HP-PAA >>customers, which would be fine except that the economics of IPFo7 >>don't suggest that this would be a sustainable model.S >  > G > Why, I don't see why it won't be sustainable for HP.  I don't see whySJ > you would think so, unless you are looking down the road at your companyI > and finding your RISC processor unsustainable.  Itanium is platform III 9 > for VMS, and, come to think of it, for HP-UX and NSK.  x >   > HP didn't do HP-WW (the original HP name for IPF) because they: judged that the costs of developing the processors and theD additional transition costs was too great for HP as a single company= to bear, subsequent developments have proved that judgment toz8 even more acute given the hike in IPF development costs.  C > The Linux and Windows market will be driven by performance of the:  > applications that run on it.   >   F But Linux and Windows only really cover the 1-8 way systems market and? the price performance leaders in that market by a long long waytA for Windows and Linux apps are x86 based systems not IPF systems.n@ You will have an uphill struggle to convince customers that theyB should pay 3x the price to get less performance for identical apps. selected from a smaller application portfolio.  ? Higher risk, higher cost, lower performance isn't an attractive2 proposition.   Regards  Andrew Harrisono >  > Robert Klute,c: > Who speaks for himself and not the company he works for. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:10:48 -0800g  From: mtravelkay <""a.a\"@a,a,a>F Subject: Re: JFK Airtrain: Good News, Bad News, Good News and Bad News. Message-ID: <1077221604.445744@sj-nntpcache-3>  
 edo wrote:/ >                ============================== , >                 FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS > / >                                         Aboutn > 2 >                                  J F   M E Z E I0 >                 ============================== > ; > Author:  Michael Voight "mrtravelkay" <mvoight@cisco.com>A >   E Ok, enough already.. Now you have to put someone else's name on your h "work"?t   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2004 15:57:30 -0800. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)Y Subject: Re: Marketeering and Software Engineering (was: Re: Solved: "Known problems withn= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0402201557.57bdee34@posting.google.com>S  [ hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<WYQYb.628$p37.329@news.cpqcorp.net>...  > In article <c0i8u8$maq$3@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > < > :But thats the world OpenVMS now exists in like it or not,= > :with an annual revenue of ~$250 million aquiring code from=> > :other sources rather than writing code from scratch becomes > :a necessity.) > G >   The OpenVMS use of open-source, of industry silicon vendors, and ofBI >   the continued work and extensions on existing and new code is little FG >   different at most any other vendors.  Sun certainly has its use of HJ >   AMD64, of Apache, of Linux, of various other open-source packages, andG >   many other similarities to that of OpenVMS engineering development.S    L What worries me more in Open Source, is the lack of an official organizationC and trustable to certify the programs like ANSI, IEEE, ISO, Etc ..._6 Should be better to be an international organization.    RegardsF   FC I  J >   As for OpenVMS, there are a whole lot of us presently writing new codeF >   and also updating existing code for upcoming OpenVMS releases, of J >   course -- in addition to the obvious on-going work such as the porting0 >   of the new Mozilla and Apache releases, etc. > I >   If we want to discuss IP stack heritage, well, we can debate that all F >   the way back to the BSD parentage that is so widely prevalent. :-) > H >   Now if you'll excuse me, my device driver debugging compilation passI >   has completed, and I'm off to (probably) crash the system again.  :-)R > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------M >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.coms   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:11:26 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>t) Subject: Re: Needed: Macro Vax Programmer ' Message-ID: <40365BDE.9060009@MMaz.com>    Peter Weaver wrote:t  $ >tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com wrote: >  t >a >>Hello.2 >>   The called module is about 80 lines of macro.^ >>Whether you can figure out the pseudocode, or better yet, write the cobol - is the question., >>Willing to pay a straight $100 us dollars.6 >>Paid as corp to corp - the tax issues are all yours! >>	 >>Jerrold( >>
 >>Example: >> >>Line    63: TSTW     @B^4(AP)Y& >>          : BNEQ     OVRPCH\%LINE 666 >>Line    64: MOVAB    B^OVRPCH\%LINE 64+7,B^-100(R11)& >>          : BRB      OVRPCH\%LINE 73& >>          : BRB      OVRPCH\%LINE 68 >>     >> >O= >If you mean $100/line then I have someone who could probably > >give you a COBOL routine in a week or so. If you really meant >$100 total, then good luck. >f >  o > G He must be playing with peoples heads if he thinks that anyone will do *H that for a flat $100, or simply, he isn't serious about translating the I code back to source.  Obviously his staff can't do it but if they could, :H he would have a much better idea of the man-hours needed and then could E better appreciate how that translates into a most accurate cost when "' considering the rates of consultants...t   Barrye     --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:19:41 -0800e# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>P) Subject: RE: Needed: Macro Vax Programmer 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEELACNAA.tom@kednos.com>   I I'll translate it PL/I for $100. of course you will need a PL/I compiler,  which I just happen to have :-)   > Should take about a day, and result in 20 or so lines of code.     -----Original Message-----2   From: Barry Treahy, Jr. [mailto:Treahy@MMaz.com]*   Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 11:11 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml+   Subject: Re: Needed: Macro Vax Programmerl         Peter Weaver wrote:    &   >tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com wrote:   >      >d
   >>Hello.4   >>   The called module is about 80 lines of macro.D   >>Whether you can figure out the pseudocode, or better yet, write    the cobol - is the question..   >>Willing to pay a straight $100 us dollars.8   >>Paid as corp to corp - the tax issues are all yours!   >>   >>Jerrold    >>   >>Example:   >>!   >>Line    63: TSTW     @B^4(AP)2(   >>          : BNEQ     OVRPCH\%LINE 668   >>Line    64: MOVAB    B^OVRPCH\%LINE 64+7,B^-100(R11)(   >>          : BRB      OVRPCH\%LINE 73(   >>          : BRB      OVRPCH\%LINE 68   >>       >>   > ?   >If you mean $100/line then I have someone who could probably-@   >give you a COBOL routine in a week or so. If you really meant   >$100 total, then good luck.   >I   >      > I   He must be playing with peoples heads if he thinks that anyone will do  J   that for a flat $100, or simply, he isn't serious about translating the K   code back to source.  Obviously his staff can't do it but if they could, SJ   he would have a much better idea of the man-hours needed and then could G   better appreciate how that translates into a most accurate cost when n)   considering the rates of consultants...e      Barryr         -- s   @   Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com@   Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320@   Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                          p         ---b(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 - Release Date: 2/6/2004t    ---d& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 - Release Date: 2/6/2004    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:31:09 -0500a< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>) Subject: Re: Needed: Macro Vax Programmer:: Message-ID: <c15qqg$1eq58u$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   Tom Linden wrote:@< > I'll translate it PL/I for $100. of course you will need a PL/I+ > compiler, which I just happen to have :-)D > : > Should take about a day, and result in 20 or so lines of code.n >...  8 But how much would you charge if he already has the PL/I- complier and doesn't have to buy it from you?    -- e Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.d Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXd www.weaverconsulting.cae   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:02:21 -0800l# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ) Subject: RE: Needed: Macro Vax Programmer 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOELBCNAA.tom@kednos.com>w     -----Original Message-----C   From: Peter Weaver [mailto:WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca]i*   Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 12:31 PM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma+   Subject: Re: Needed: Macro Vax Programmert         Tom Linden wrote:g>   > I'll translate it PL/I for $100. of course you will need a   PL/I-   > compiler, which I just happen to have :-)a   > <   > Should take about a day, and result in 20 or so lines of   code.g   >...   :   But how much would you charge if he already has the PL/I/   complier and doesn't have to buy it from you?h    $10,000n   -- h   Peter Weaver!   Weaver Consulting Services Inc.d   Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXo   www.weaverconsulting.cat         ---s(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 - Release Date: 2/6/2004     ---a& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 - Release Date: 2/6/2004    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 03:08:58 GMT " From: tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com% Subject: Needed: Macro Vax Programmer 8 Message-ID: <dgua30to52kce2uf50ihogf80jhlf4al7h@4ax.com>  C Contact Information: tutor_nospam_@cfl.rr.com (remove the _nospam_)e   Macro Vax Programmer    To read the macro instructions, 2 taken from an object program and run in debug mode9 (original source is missing, object was found in an OLB) E* and create a Cobol program or pseudocode.   * There is only one program (at this time).   % Lowest and fastest time wins the bid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:21:14 -0800o3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>() Subject: Re: Needed: Macro Vax Programmern. Message-ID: <4036885A.4090301@Flying-Disk.com>  # tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com wrote: E > Contact Information: tutor_nospam_@cfl.rr.com (remove the _nospam_)e >  > Macro Vax Programmer > " > To read the macro instructions, 4 > taken from an object program and run in debug mode; > (original source is missing, object was found in an OLB) o, > and create a Cobol program or pseudocode.   , > There is only one program (at this time).   ' > Lowest and fastest time wins the bid.   " Fast, cheap, good.   Pick any two.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:17:40 +0000 (UTC)oP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)$ Subject: Re: new TCPIP patch for 5.3$ Message-ID: <c14cak$k2q$1@online.de>  = In article <cc5619f2.0402191004.456bca1b@posting.google.com>, ) jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes: m  G > Anyone have any updated information on this problem?  Heard back fromsD > HP?  We have a 'patch day' scheduled next weekend which would haveB > included this update if not for the reported problems.  Any info > appreciated.  H If you look at the patch site, you will see that both the ALPHA and VAX ? versions have been put on hold until the problem is solved.  I RF personally didn't install it on ALPHA, but it looks like many who did @ got burned.  I did install it on VAX and have had no problems.  G Apparently the problem COULD occur on VAX, but the probability is much h? lower.  I think both patches are no longer available from ITRC.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2004 16:01:03 -0800. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)G Subject: Re: Open Source developers are not to be thrusted says articlec= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0402201601.72acf3dd@posting.google.com>P  l doug_mentohl@yahoo.co.uk (Daeron) wrote in message news:<da46811d.0402141407.5caf5a03@posting.google.com>...- > Open Source Is Fertile Ground for Foul Play  > A. Russell Jones Feb 11 2004 > A > The nature of open source makes security problems an inevitableEG > concern. There are a handful of ways that malicious code can make itssC > way into open source and avoid detection during security testing,mC > making government adoption of open source particularly worrisome.     O Just certify the programs through an official organization like ISO, ANSI, IEEErE ITT, etc ... and may be an Open Source "Patent"  should be welcome...DF It is enough to Open Source be much more interesting to the customers.O Another problem of Open Source is the lack of warrany of continous development.mE Thats because some International Organization should take care of it.gI How many lines of finnish, american, russian ,brazilian code is there in h Apache for example ?   Regardsu   FC f    G > ..  governments that rely on free open source software will put theiro5 > country's and their citizens' data in harm's way ..o > E > .. the security breach will be placed into the open source softwarel3 > from inside, by someone working on the project ..e > A > .. distributions will be created .. with the express purpose ofr6 > marketing them to governments at cut-rate pricing .. > = > .. As anyone can create and market a distribution, it's not.> > far-fetched to imagine a version subsidized and supported byG > organizations that may not have U.S. or other government interests at'
 > heart .. > G > ..  the widespread perception that Linux is more secure than Windows,lH > despite the fact that both products are riddled with software security
 > holes .. > G > .. I'd be very surprised if some open source software doesn't already-' > contain well-hidden malicious code ..5 > G > .. Any security checks performed on the software before the source isr > delivered are invalid .. > E > .. I don't think that security testing can be made robust enough toaD > protect against someone injecting dangerous code into the software > from the inside .. > H > .. I'm not nave enough to think that proprietary commercial operatingF > system software doesn't have the same sort of vulnerability, but theF > barriers to implementing them are much higher, because the source is > better protected ..u > E > .. Inevitably, that choice will lead to security breaches that will C > cost those same governments (and ultimately you), huge amounts ofe > money to rectify.e > . > http://www.devx.com/opensource/Article/20111   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Feb 2004 22:19:11 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)i@ Subject: Re: Port to forward behind ADSL router for DECWindows ?: Message-ID: <c1614v$5kn$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  4 In message <40367f52$0$28134$636a15ce@news.free.fr>,&   Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> writes:J >But from home, I'm behind an ADSL router and the X connection does not goL >through the router. What is the port to forward to the PC via the router to >achieve what I wish to do ?  6 Server 0 uses port 6000, server 1 uses port 6001, etc.  L You should be using SSH and tunneling the X connections through that though.      < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.-   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2004 12:43:56 -0800 From: sdavidson@uss.comrY Subject: Re: RDB database becomes disabled by remote user failures because of  security r-= Message-ID: <caf27c79.0402201243.6b881e0c@posting.google.com>   E Our new corporate policy states that we have to automatically disusereF a user account after they fail at logging in three times.  In order to: accomplish this policy mandate we set the sysgen parameterF LGI_BRK_DISUSER to 1.  After we made the sysgen change a user tried toD access the database using the remote database and host computer nameC but apparently the user did not have proxy for the RDB database andaB caused the database account to become disusered, thus stopping allA database access.  We have been thinking about giving everyone whocB needs access to the database their on account on the host computerF with a proxy to the database and eliminating the database account name (RDB_RMT_PRD).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:25:38 -070004 From: Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>Y Subject: Re: RDB database becomes disabled by remote user failures because of security re * Message-ID: <403529D2.92C4170C@oracle.com>  A I don't understand "this has already locked up our RDB database."eE How did a particular user's account being disabled by your procedures D cause the database to become "locked up"?  in what way was it locked up?    sdavidson@uss.com wrote: > E > We have RDB databases on several Alpha/VAX computers.  In order fortG > our remote users to use the RDB database we the users put the name ofmB > the computer and the database in string to be use for access theI > database (ex. A4VDHS"RDB_RMT_TST"::TST_DB_ROOT:[MVS.DB]MVSDGS_RDB.RDB).uE >  Because of security we have to start disabling user accounts aftertD > three login failures, this has already locked up our RDB database.H > Trying to set proxies to the database does not seem too feasible sinceE > so many users know the database names and most users want their own H > account to default to their account on the computers not the database.E >  Does anyone have any ideas on how to set up an account that can beP8 > accessed remotely and not be disabled by VMS security?   -- e	 - - - - - 0  opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone.  and certainly are not intended in any way to 0  express or represent any opinions or commitment  of oracle corporation.E  *  norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:00:28 -0500T* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: RDB database becomes disabled by remote user failures because of security reE) Message-ID: <40354001.ADA719B0@istop.com>m   sdavidson@uss.com wrote:I > database (ex. A4VDHS"RDB_RMT_TST"::TST_DB_ROOT:[MVS.DB]MVSDGS_RDB.RDB).t  N The above assumes a proxy exists allowing the current user on the current node) to act as user RDB_RMT_TST on node A4VDHSt  K If everyone uses the same string, then everyone will try to access the file N under the username RDB_RMT_TST, and if users do not have a proxy to allwo themM such access, it will generate security alarms and eventually the user will begO blocked. (note that it is the VMS username that becomes blocked, not the file.)   D The automatic blocking of users can be disabled with the LGI_ sysgen@ parameters. But you need to carefully consider the implications.  J Are the machines relatively near each other ? If so, you might consideringL clustering the various nodes so that users can access the RDB database as ifF it were local, removing the need to have decnet remote proxies/access.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 03:08:46 GMTv% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>g Subject: Re: SAN or NAS ?-8 Message-ID: <2TeZb.28975$fW.14620@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  6 Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:DjhumVOyx5Ga@eisner.encompasserve.org...eH > In article <RQWYb.17844$Dg1.17047@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes: > >e >m > >oK > > Unless your network backbone is also 1GIG, they cannot compete with theoI > > throughput of a SAN.  Even if they are at 1GIG, you could be at 2 GIGs today.5 > > 10 GIG in a year or two.  (I forget the timeline)- > >- >-> > 4 Gig this year.  10 Gig?  Ouch!  Will it happen in the next
 > 5 years?  H Brocade is skipping the 4GIG level and going strait to 10GIG.  McData isE trying to use 4 GIG as a selling point.  Personally, I have dozens ofuJ DS20E/ES4x servers that are not even taxing our 1GIG SAN.  I see no reasonL to upgrade those because they do not need it!  Our newer systems (ES47's and 1280's) are on a 2GIG fabric.   K All of this is a moot point without having a 4GIG HBA that you can put intos your server.  :-)e6 > http://news.earthweb.com/storage/article.php/3295601 >  >  > Storage News > January 6, 2004e- > Hitachi Demos First 4-Gig FC Implementatione > By Paul Shread >n >oK > Four-gigabit Fibre Channel received yet another big boost on Monday, with  thea( > first 4-Gig FC product implementation. >u > [snip] >oL > 4-Gig FC has caught on quickly as a bridge between current 1-2 Gig systems andbL > the 10-Gig systems of the future. One of 4-Gig's biggest selling points isI > that, unlike 10-Gig, it is backward-compatible with 1-2 Gig FC. 4G willo also) > cost about the same as 1-2 Gig systems.  >y  J Hitachi makes storage.  Not SAN switches.  I wonder where they are gettingG this information.  Or what vendor they are specifically speaking about.eL According to Brocade, there switches will be backwards compatible with otherF brocades.  They have told me that I will be able to swap out the 2 GIGK switches for 10GIG switches and re-use the existing cables.  I will not getmE the boost of 10GIG until I swap out the HBA's in the servers and have  storage that does 10 GIG.    > [snip] >hJ > The 4Gb/s FCAL specification is designed to allow for a data transfer of up too@ > 400MB/s per port and up to 800MB/s in a dual port environment. >  >t > ---  >j? > Since 4-Gig is backwards compatible, you don't have to switch > > out your infrastructure.  Since going to 10-gig will requireF > a switch out of infrastructure (switches, HBAs, GBICs, etc.), 10-gigD > may be for dreamers.  That and the fact by the time we (collectiveA > we) have demand for 10-gig, will be quite a ways out (as we allvA > drill down and look at bandwidth usage and what would be ideal,eA > for instance - a single tape stream will be 100 MByte/sec writeh? > speed in 2 years - a guess.  The 4-gig provides 400 MByte/sece% > bandwidth per switched connection).e >  >l > Robe >s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:29:23 GMT ' From: nospam <x@wedontwantyourspam.com>  Subject: Re: SAN or NAS ?e5 Message-ID: <BC5C028B.2421A%x@wedontwantyourspam.com>S  D in article 2TeZb.28975$fW.14620@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com, Mike Naime at+ mnaime@kc.rr.com wrote on 20/02/2004 14:08:f   > 8 > Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in messageM > All of this is a moot point without having a 4GIG HBA that you can put intot > your server.  :-) H   It still a moot point if you did, cause I'm surprised if technology is) such that a single spindle  could keep up-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:56:05 -0500J< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>= Subject: Re: Solved: "Known problems with V7.3 security MUP?"0: Message-ID: <c15oon$1ej4uu$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > Paul Sture wrote:. >...7 >> Your sole purpose here is to disrupt this newsgroup.  >> > * > How did you work that out from my post ? >...  > According to the most recent data on netscan, Andrew is #18 in< when listed by number of days active, but in terms of number9 of posts JF is #1 at 211 posts, Andrew is #2 at 96 posts.h  j http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/ReportCard.asp?timespan=m&searchfor=comp.os.vms&searchdate=12%2F2003     -- n Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.s Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXe www.weaverconsulting.cas   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:23:49 -0500h3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>h' Subject: Re: system directory confusionn0 Message-ID: <SaCdnSqfybnk2KjdRVn-tA@comcast.com>  E I would exercise extreme caution about moving any of the SYS$* files iH from their default locations.  They work just fine right where they are > and everyone assumes that they will be found in their default F locations.  I've been a system  manager for twenty years now and have > never found it necessary to move SYSTARTUP_VMS (or any of its  predecessors) or SYLOGICALS.  D Just for the record, the default location of both of these files is  SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR].  0 SYS$STARTUP is a search list which translates to 1. SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$STARTUP] 2. SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]u= and SYS$SYSROOT is, itself, a search list which translates toh 1 SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSn.]y! 2 SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSn.SYSCOMMON.]i  C I assume that either you have misunderstood the authors, they have eG failed to clearly express what they meant, or both.   I wouldn't touch nH this advice (as you have reported it) with the proverbial ten foot pole.  H A cluster can, and sometimes should, have node specific startup files.  I These are generally invoked from SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM and generally live in  H SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSMGR] for the system on which they are to be executed.  G The SYS$SPECIFIC[SYSMGR] location ensures that, even if you fat finger uE something or have a brain fart, that only the specific startup files e' belonging to that node can be executed.o  D Hoff can doubtless speak for himself; he hangs out here.  Professor , Miller used to, don't know if he still does.   Alder wrote:  F > As a newcomer to VMS I was eager to get my hands on "OpenvMS System H > Management Guide, 2nd Edition" by Baldwin, Hoffman, and Miller.  It's C > stuffed full of great information that's helped me get my system  5 > organized and generally explains things quite well.i >tB > Chapter 5 deals with system startup and suggests (page 64), for D > reasons of easing into clusters, moving the default site-specific G > startup procedures from their default location in SYS$MANAGER to the r/ > cluster-common startup directories (page 64).g >iE > Right above Table 5.5 the authors state that these files should be iE > moved to the SYS$COMMON:[SYS$STARTUP] directory, then in Table 5.5 eH > they state the directory should be SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]. Are these two < > directories effectively the same at system startup?  Will F > SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM and SYLOGICALS.COM be executed if I choose either  > directory? >o	 > Thanks,u > Alderl >l >  >f   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:36:35 +0100o: From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>Y Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.4: DECnet/IP: remote nodes cannot translate address -> name -> nameu* Message-ID: <c14gte$rvn16@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>   Karl Rohwedder wrote:h9 > I've just noticed a problem with TCPIP V5.4 (on Alpha):. > G > when connecting from the 5.4 system to another remote system (either s > V5.3 or 5.4) viaD > DECnet-over-IP, the remote system is unable to back translate the  > IP-adress to a name,e.g.? > SHO TERMINAL displays IP$10.... instead of nynode.mydomain...I > H > This leads to a lot of trouble, since our proxy entries are no longer 
 > matched. > K > I've logged a call and the HP specialist was able to reproduce the error e > on his system. > H > A CDI$TRACE shows, that the remote system was able to find the name!?!  K I just received updated images NET$SESSSION_CONTROL and CDI$SHR (CFS105163)a which correct the problems.n   -- m  + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regardst  3 Karl Rohwedder          | it-ingteam(at)t-online.deNA                          | extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.deJ   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:26:06 -0500:* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>. Subject: Re: TCPTRACE and SQL Service OCI port) Message-ID: <40351BDA.2C3B728D@istop.com>g   Fabio Cardoso wrote:> > > I need to trace all the connections to the OCI port (1527)5 > > but I dont know how to write the correct command:  > >i) > > $ tcptrace 127.0.0.1 /port=local=1527t  N I have found that TCPTRACE for TCPIP Services 5,3 ECO 2 to be broken. IT seemsL to only be able to trace all traffic and I don't think I have ever succeeded tracing specific traffic.v  C That is why I kept one node at 5.1 where TCPTRACE still works fine.u   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 04:45:50 GMT 0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>% Subject: Re: Why was VAX abandonned ?e. Message-ID: <2oBZb.91443$jk2.440618@attbi_s53>   JF Mezei wrote:   & > re: IBM 360 needing byte alignement.  M > I think there is a BIG difference between needing byte alignment for binaryeL > objects (short, long) and having a CPU incapable of fetching a single byte > from any memory location.a  N > If you need to load 4 bytes into a register for some multiplication, one canL > understand that having right alignment can help. But when you move/compareK > bytes in a string, not having the ability to do operations on any byte inr& > memory creates interesting problems.  D But consider that much of RISC is having the compiler do things thatD otherwise would be done inside the processor.  Any machine with ECC G memory, and most with cache must fetch the fullword from memory, modify-E the appropriate byte, and then write the word back.  Alpha makes thisoF explicit at the assembly level, instead if implicit.  It still must be done either way.  B There are special instructions for modifying a byte in a register.F Now, do the three instructions, fetch modify write execute faster than8 one byte write on other machines?  That is the question.   -- glen_   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 01:32:56 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)% Subject: Re: XP1000 technical manual?i0 Message-ID: <bzyZb.356358$I06.3761561@attbi_s01>  d In article <4036A3D4.1030309@Flying-Disk.com>, Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes:> !Does anyone know if a technical manual exists for the XP1000?; !I looked at everything pointed to by Ask The Wizard #8184,  !in particular:f ! A !   And specifically for the AlphaStation XP1000 series hardware:  ! ; !     ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/supportinformation/techpubs/n+ !         maintenance_guides/120205-002.pdf0 !o@ !But this manual is for PCs, and contains nothing more technical? !than "If it does not turn on, make sure it is plugged in" (OK,s9 !it does go a bit further than that, but not much).   I'my, !afraid that The Wizard blew it on this one. !s= !I'm looking for something that is actually useful to someoner= !who wants to open the case and do something radical like addh !memory or a disk drive. !s) !Has anyone ever seen anything like that?r !i   Hi Alan,  M Would the SOC for the XP1000 do (there is a system diagram on the last page)?b  E http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/soc_archives/80001.htmla  K If not, I *think* I have a CD at work that has XP1000 information - send menO email with a way to contact if you are interested, and I'll remember to look at  the CD on Monday.h   !Thanksc !Alanr !c  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"nK bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' a0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:52:07 -0800t3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>e% Subject: Re: XP1000 technical manual?r. Message-ID: <4036C7D7.5020507@Flying-Disk.com>   Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:6  7 > Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes:iA > > Does anyone know if a technical manual exists for the XP1000?e  O > Would the SOC for the XP1000 do (there is a system diagram on the last page)?p > G > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/soc_archives/80001.htmle  A I'm afraid not.   I already have that, and it doesn't really haveaF any technical detail.   I'm looking for things like the LED diagnostic codes, etc.    Alan   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:41:10 -0600 (CST)a From: sms@antinode.org% Subject: Re: XP1000 technical manual?s) Message-ID: <04022021411071@antinode.org>n  3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>W   > Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:e  Q > > Would the SOC for the XP1000 do (there is a system diagram on the last page)?aI > > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/soc_archives/80001.html   C > I'm afraid not.   I already have that, and it doesn't really haveiH > any technical detail.   I'm looking for things like the LED diagnostic
 > codes, etc.n  H    Welcome to the club.  Ever since a short (and gentle) car ride killedE mine, I've been looking for the same thing, with no success.  I'll beeH tempted to harm the next person who suggests the supremely inappropriateG Compaq Quick Troubleshooting Guide (120205-002.PDF) which is frequentlyo suggested but never useful.h  >    EK-CPWXP-SIA01.PDF ("Compaq Professional Workstation XP1000@ Installation and Setup Guide") hints at the existence of "CompaqG Professional Workstation XP1000 System Reference and Maintenance Guide" A and "Compaq Professional Workstation XP1000 Technical Informationa Guide".  Haven't found 'em.o  D    Searching HP tends to lead to things like "157 results", of whichG only the first 100 will be provided.  (You can supply your own "st=xxx"GG value in the URL to get more, apparently.  Maybe it's a test.  Or maybe4H someone knows you'll never find anything useful anyway, and is trying to? reduce the user's frustration, not actually increase it.)  Then B there are the supremely useless items like "Software and Drivers -E Professional Workstation XP1000 All Models, Microsoft Windows 95" and= its many cousins.r  D    If anyone does turn up anything useful, I'd like to get in on it.  E    Search for "XP1000 leds sms" in comp.os.vms to review my symptoms.-  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-orgn    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 00:18:12 GMTf0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>> Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.4] Session Disconnects (and DISCONNECT)= Message-ID: <8ncZb.67244$Wa.23019@news-server.bigpond.net.au>n  1 >When I delete the alias address(es) the sessionsr, > (eg. DECnet over IP) don't get terminated.  8 That is a good thing.  Protocol modularity and all that.  A > 1) Is there a chance that UCX at some time will do this right ?nC > eg. do you have an idea what parameters to try (besides how to doo > keepalive for DECnet over IP)n  L I'm not sure what your expectations are.  Using "tcpip disconnect" seems theL right approach.  Your 3rd point suggests you would like to see this enhanced< to accept /LOCAL and /REMOTE qualifiers for the port number.  2 >Is there any chance that UCX will narrow this gap; > (which exists now for a decade) in the very near future ?a  H Sorry to say that I haven't seen this request on our recent requirementsK list.  However, I will forward it along.  But before I do, is there more ton it than:  K     tcpip disco dev /LOCAL=<local port number> /REMOTE=<remote port number>n  H Of course, like all work, this will be prioritised accordingly.  You canH check in periodically to see where it is up to.  If you need our product( manager's email address, drop me a line.   >Otherwise I will I > have to write a DCL script instead of using one simple TCPIP command...   4 That will have to be your solution in the near term.  L > 3) Is there a chance that a lexical function (F$GETDVI comes to mind) willE > (in the very near future) give me IP information (like the local IPs address.K > and/or port number) on BG devices ? Otherwise I will have to parse output- > files (written by CRTL).  I In the very near future... no.  If you can email me your requirement (the-E more detail the better) it will be added to our requirements list and  reviewed during the next cycle.    > Any hope ?  ) There is always hope.  Keep smiling.  :-)-   Matt.-   -- e= -------------------------------------------------------------T OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard CompanyD Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA = -------------------------------------------------------------     C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in messageh+ news:newscache$iaucth$pvy1$1@news.sil.at...eJ > I seem to have problems with the use of (service) alias addresses (whichG > I do with IFCONFIG). When I delete the alias address(es) the sessions>, > (eg. DECnet over IP) don't get terminated. >SA > 1) Is there a chance that UCX at some time will do this right ? C > eg. do you have an idea what parameters to try (besides how to doO > keepalive for DECnet over IP)  > I > 2) I can do an DISCONNECT DEVICE_SOCKET for the remaining sessions, buteD > unfortunately TCPware has an /LOCAL and /REMOTE qualifier for KILL CONNECTIONStJ > but TCPIP has not not. Is there any chance that UCX will narrow this gapL > (which exists now for a decade) in the very near future ? Otherwise I willI > have to write a DCL script instead of using one simple TCPIP command...  >fL > 3) Is there a chance that a lexical function (F$GETDVI comes to mind) willE > (in the very near future) give me IP information (like the local IPn address K > and/or port number) on BG devices ? Otherwise I will have to parse output  > files (written by CRTL). >  > Any hope ? >m > -- e > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERv' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist- > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:08:10 -0500m* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>> Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.4] Session Disconnects (and DISCONNECT)) Message-ID: <40355DE7.AE7173FA@istop.com>   ! Surfer boy Matt Muggeridge wrote:d  N > > 3) Is there a chance that a lexical function (F$GETDVI comes to mind) willG > > (in the very near future) give me IP information (like the local IPr	 > addressr  K > In the very near future... no.  If you can email me your requirement (the G > more detail the better) it will be added to our requirements list andl! > reviewed during the next cycle.   M I would second this request. Being able to easily get information about wherel; a BG device is coming from and going to would be very good.i  L When you're under attack, you want tools that get you the iformation ASAP to track hackers.  F Another suggestion I would make is some sort of hook to have a processN notified whenever that node makes an outgoing call which fails to connect. (so3 that we can trigger fault isolation in the network.N   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 01:07:39 GMT 0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>> Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.4] Session Disconnects (and DISCONNECT)= Message-ID: <v5dZb.67309$Wa.21061@news-server.bigpond.net.au>O  D Oh, I should have also mentioned this command, in case it meets your immediate needs:  $     $ ifconfig ie0 10.10.10.10 abort  L This will abort all connections to the 10.10.10.10 address on interface ie0.   Matt.'     --  = -------------------------------------------------------------t OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companya Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA = -------------------------------------------------------------u    C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in messager+ news:newscache$iaucth$pvy1$1@news.sil.at... J > I seem to have problems with the use of (service) alias addresses (whichG > I do with IFCONFIG). When I delete the alias address(es) the sessions , > (eg. DECnet over IP) don't get terminated. >pA > 1) Is there a chance that UCX at some time will do this right ?eC > eg. do you have an idea what parameters to try (besides how to do5 > keepalive for DECnet over IP)e >tI > 2) I can do an DISCONNECT DEVICE_SOCKET for the remaining sessions, butAD > unfortunately TCPware has an /LOCAL and /REMOTE qualifier for KILL CONNECTIONS3J > but TCPIP has not not. Is there any chance that UCX will narrow this gapL > (which exists now for a decade) in the very near future ? Otherwise I willI > have to write a DCL script instead of using one simple TCPIP command...q >eL > 3) Is there a chance that a lexical function (F$GETDVI comes to mind) willE > (in the very near future) give me IP information (like the local IPu address K > and/or port number) on BG devices ? Otherwise I will have to parse output  > files (written by CRTL). >u > Any hope ? >h > -- d > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERd' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:25:19 +0000 (UTC)T6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER): Subject: [TCPIP V5.4] Session Disconnects (and DISCONNECT)1 Message-ID: <newscache$iaucth$pvy1$1@news.sil.at>   H I seem to have problems with the use of (service) alias addresses (whichE I do with IFCONFIG). When I delete the alias address(es) the sessionsj* (eg. 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