1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 23 Feb 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 106       Contents:+ About Netkook/Troll Michael Voight of Cisco / Re: About Netkook/Troll Michael Voight of Cisco  Re: DCL Numerical symbols  Re: DCL Numerical symbols  Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon + J F  M e z e i - Frequently Asked Questions  Re: new TCPIP patch for 5.3   Old Personal Management Programs Re: Probably a dumb question? Re: replacing TCPIP cluster alias with FAILSAFE IP in TCPIP 5.4  Re: Rumours of (CPU) Wars D Re: RZ29B-VA (a.k.a. 4.3GB Seagate Barracuda) in DEC3000 or DEC2000?D Re: RZ29B-VA (a.k.a. 4.3GB Seagate Barracuda) in DEC3000 or DEC2000? Re: SAN or NAS ? Re: SAN or NAS ?6 TCO cluster study proves VMS, questions unix/linux ...: Re: TCO cluster study proves VMS, questions unix/linux ...: Re: TCO cluster study proves VMS, questions unix/linux ...: Re: TCO cluster study proves VMS, questions unix/linux ...5 Re: [TCPIP V5.4] Session Disconnects (and DISCONNECT) 5 Re: [TCPIP V5.4] Session Disconnects (and DISCONNECT)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2004 20:44:51 +0100# From: edo <nobody@cryptorebels.net> 4 Subject: About Netkook/Troll Michael Voight of Cisco? Message-ID: <c5e228a8d2d6dd498f4052d0f1fd5727@cryptorebels.net>   8 About Rogue Cisco Employee Michael "mrtravelkay" Voight,2 a.k.a. the "mrtravel" Netkook Troll/Usenet Flooder  P "mrtavelkay" is the latest usenet handle of a brainless troll whose real name is* Michael Voight, email <mvoight@cisco.com>.  = He is better known by his previous stupid handle, "mrtravel".   ? The idiot works for Cisco in San Jose and apparently they don't < keep him busy enough so he has to troll usenet when he isn't9 looking for foreign brides to marry in exchange for money E in alt.visa.us.marriage-based  and alt.personals.big-folks, or trying G to pick up minors in alt.personals.teens or any of the number of creepy H newsgroups he frequents.  Some of his other trolling aliases are NetworkN Guy, starrystarrynight@sbcglobal.net, sleepydoc <sleepdoc@verizon.net>, jlhuntM <jlhunt@huntbros.com>, and Lost 5 of 8 <seeme@loveme.fun>, mrt <mrt@mrt.com>, 1 news.sf.sbcglobal.net <none@none.none>, not-nomen 7 <none@none.none>,<uclaisthebest@ucla.edd>, David Tanner 8 <dtanner1256@dtanner.org>, Jeff Davies <test@test.test>.  O All intelligent members of the usenet community have killfiled him, so he takes P great pains to get past their killfiles by rubbing his only two cerebral neuronsK together and coming up with gems like: mrtrav <mrtrav@mtr.mrt.trm>, mrtrav3 H <mrtaa@aa.aa>, mrraveltay <mrraveltay@me.igpay.atinlay>, and mrtravelkay2 <mrtravelkay@a.aa> and mtravelkay <a.a.a@aaa.aaa>.: The lastest product of his brain diarrhea is BobTheBuilder <noah@build.me.an.ark>. : He seems to like to hang out in alt.sex.preteen.  Hmmm....  ! His phone number is 831-252-2606.   F He's got a daughter in Orange County that one of his ex-wives had the D intelligence to take away from him.  Lord only knows what could haveK happened to her if she had continued to live with the kook.  The other kids H he has belong to his previous Russian sleazy brides, and since they comeG and go so do the kids.  It wouldn't hurt to let Cisco know what kind of @ deviant sexual pervert maniac they have working for them, so....  < For starters, forward his idiotic posts to abuse@cisco.com .  A He works in technical support, so forward them to tac@cisco.com .   @ He often posts through sbcglobal and prodigy, so forward them to2 abuse@prodigy.net and abuse@sbcglobal.net as well.  K You can also call them at 1 800 553 2447 and ask to speak with a supervisor K and explain that you are EXTREMELY unhappy that this idiot spends his whole H day at work playing on the internet on company time.  THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT.   H Then write to corporate headquarters explaining what this idiot is doingG and telling them HOW BAD IT IS FOR THEIR COMPANY IMAGE.  They will LOVE ) that you brought this to their attention:    Cisco Systems, Inc.  170 West Tasman Dr.  San Jose, CA 95134 USA   G Then also call them.  You should always follow up email or letters with K phone calls.  Always ask for supervisors or managers.  Try to get as far up  as possible.  
 (408)526-4000  (800)553-NETS or
 (800)553-6387   K Contact Investor Relations and tell them you are interested in investing in G their company but won't do so until they get rid of this asshole who is  wasting company resources:   Cisco Systems, Inc.  Investor Relations Department  170 West Tasman Drive  San Jose, CA 95134-1706  Phone: (408) 526-8890  Fax: (408) 526-4545 # Email: investor-relations@cisco.com   H Might as well contact customer service too, they LOVE to hear about this type of stuff:   USA 1 800 553 6387   ic-support-us@cisco.com  cs-support-us@cisco.com   C Then finally, send letters with copies of his nasty posts addressed ? personally to each one of the OFFICERS of the company using the I headquarters address.  Believe me, they READ your complaints and are VERY J INTERESTED in them, especially if it's about one of their employees.  TheyK will take a PERSONAL interest in rooting this ASSHOLE out of their company:    John Morgridge, Chairman John Chambers, President, CEO  Donald Valentine, Vice Chairman 9 Larry Carter, CFO, Sr. VP-Fin. and Admin., Sec., Director 3 Richard Justice, Sr. VP, Worldwide Field Operations   	 Have fun!    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:01:01 -0800 & From: "Matt" <somewhere@somewhere.com>8 Subject: Re: About Netkook/Troll Michael Voight of Cisco1 Message-ID: <BfmdnclfJamSl6TdRVn2sQ@giganews.com>   G You need to seriously condsider getting a life.  Between obsessing over A Michael Voight and JF Mezei, how do you have any time in the day?    Matt  0 "edo" <nobody@cryptorebels.net> wrote in message9 news:c5e228a8d2d6dd498f4052d0f1fd5727@cryptorebels.net... : > About Rogue Cisco Employee Michael "mrtravelkay" Voight,4 > a.k.a. the "mrtravel" Netkook Troll/Usenet Flooder   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:35:29 -0500   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>" Subject: Re: DCL Numerical symbols6 Message-ID: <1040222172528.35777B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  % On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, Don Sykes wrote:    > Roy Omond wrote:  > > Tillman, Brian (AGRE) wrote: > >  > > M > >> What does either of these points have to do with the OP's problem?  DCL, K > >> whether on a 40 bit machine or on a 1,000,000 bit machine performs its K > >> symbol arithmetic with 32 bit integers.  If the OP HAD 40 bits to play J > >> with, he'd be having no problem, since 40 bits can easily represent aL > >> ten or 11 digit integer.  The highest signed value for a 40 bit integer! > >> is 549755813887 (12 digits).  > >>+ > >> The OP may find the following amusing:  > >  > > E > > For goodness sake Brian ... did I *really* have to add a smiley ?  > > 8 > > I think the *sigh* at the end pretty much summed up. > > 
 > > Roy Omond  > > Blue Bubble Ltd. > G > That leads me to a question I've had for a while. Where do are those  I > darned bits come from anyway!?? I have a 64 bit Alpha, but when I look  H > at my memory usage there are millions of bits out there! Are they all J > generated by the same 64 bit register? It must be really busy! Or maybe 7 > some of those bits came with my system; I'm not sure.  > Also when I do a > $ ls | grep ".tmp" > I get:H > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling >   \LS\ >  > What's wrong?   A You're missing the lose (aka ls) utility.  It is a standard Lunix G utility that loses files.  It doesn't delete them, it just renames them H to random directories on other systems, so you can have fun (fn utility)I finding them again.  Usually they are sent to systems in vowel-challenged > countries in the Balkans, in a desperate but failing effort by= Lunix to retain as many rare and precious vowels as possible.   A LS used to be in the Posix kit, and it may be in GNV now.  Or you  can emulate it in DCL.   HTH    > --   >  > Have VMS, Will Travel  > Wire paladin, San Francisco  >  > (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:26:22 GMT 0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>" Subject: Re: DCL Numerical symbols/ Message-ID: <OMb_b.102902$jk2.471154@attbi_s53>    John Santos wrote:   (snip)  C > You're missing the lose (aka ls) utility.  It is a standard Lunix I > utility that loses files.  It doesn't delete them, it just renames them J > to random directories on other systems, so you can have fun (fn utility)K > finding them again.  Usually they are sent to systems in vowel-challenged @ > countries in the Balkans, in a desperate but failing effort by? > Lunix to retain as many rare and precious vowels as possible.   = Does anyone have a copy of VMS 1.0?  It allowed you to rename : a subdirectory into itself.   Very useful for losing files9 and disk space, though not good with a disk quota, as the * lost space still counts against the quota.   -- glen    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2004 22:20:09 -0800. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)& Subject: Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon= Message-ID: <7500353b.0402222220.624f993e@posting.google.com>   L > The big question for HP is HPUX. Does HPUX share commoon code base betweenP > PaRisc and IA64 ? If so, then they can get the Tru64 bits onto HPUX/PaRisc andJ > just forget about IA64 (except for a few customers who already have it).  F Or. Would they dare to replace HP-UX with Linux using HP-UX extensionsE ? HP-UX is nice Unix system, but propretary Unix is disappearing too.   I > My bet however is that Carly will publicly pretend nothing happened and . > continue to claim that IA64 is here to stay.   I'd say the have these options:   A 1. Business as usual. HP says it does not consern them. Work will C continue as is as you suggest. In short term they will propably say E that, but I dont believe it will be their long-time strategy. If IA64 B is so perfect, then why would Intel clone AMD64 ? I think HP hopesD Intel will officially kill IA64 themselves and then save a face, butC it does not actually matter - the IA64 platform was dead the minute B Intel admitted that AMD bettered its platform and Intel cloned it.C Saying black is white is not a good idea as the customers would not  believe it anyway.  D 2. HP will kill off all itanium investment and move projects to P64.< The rumour was on this newsgroup (sent by Didier Morandi, 01F Informatique Hebdo, Nr 1 in IT Press in France). The source of this isB of course unknown but it rings a half-truth. Maybe the message wasE altered on the way and the original said it was AMD64 compatible P64. C This would result a dent on HP's face, but after all, it was Intels = 'fault' and with a year added of delay they would have this - A depending of course how deeply dependent the new vms port is from  Itanium.  @ 3. HP will kill off all itanium investment and will not port theF current OS's to P64. This is possible of course - extend life of AlphaD and MIPS. On MIPS they may continue as the news from HP indicate and; because NSK is unix-flavored. They may even release NSK and F alphaclusters to open source and make them available for Linux. But HPF may decide, that the current user base of 50K licenses is not enouh to( justify the costs and emulators will do.   M    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:43:47 +0100 # From: edo <nobody@cryptorebels.net> 4 Subject: J F  M e z e i - Frequently Asked Questions? Message-ID: <19ba28ff8a6b0313fa25543d518b8eba@cryptorebels.net>   /                ================================ *                 FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS  2                                              About  5                                       J F   M E Z E I 0                 ================================   1.  Who is JF Mezei?  G Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever hit J rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is also one of the) longest running trolls in usenet history.   " 2.  How long has he been trolling?   For well over a decade.    3.  Where does he live?    Montreal, Quebec, Canada   Jean-Francois Mezei  86 Harwood Gate  Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3  (514) 695-8259  * 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll?  H His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades yourO newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, day in and day out, O every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He does not listen to pleas I to stop, he does not listen to anything anyone tells him, he does not pay O attention when the misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just M goes right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his ears G closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"    5.  What does he troll about?   P His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  He hates theK USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn it into a USA-bashing C fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just start making lewd posts.   $ 6.  What does he hate about the USA?  P Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have a visceralP hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a happier, better, moreJ successful version of their country and they can't stand it.  Some of JF'sN favorite troll bait is "the Bush regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis ofJ evil", "Americans are brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are stupid" etc.  # 7.  What about his sexual trolling?   P Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre.  Among hisI favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women's genitalia, sex toys, M circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of course) ... the list is endless.    8.  Circumcision???   P Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes to insertF circumcision into his trolling every now and then.  Apparently, JF wasP traumatized as a child because his parents, poor Hungarian immigrants to Canada,O left him uncircumcised when he was born, as is the custom in most of the world. N Growing up in Canada where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time,O he was psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could he arranged D to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades of circumcisionN proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a free willy.  His mainO argument is how much better he was able to masturbate after getting circumcised M without that "pesky foreskin" getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has > made it his mission in life to spread the circumcision gospel.  H 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky.  N Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among the subjects dearO to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, especially little boy's J foreskins (and how tight they are) and little girls' hymens.  He is also aK tireless activist and advocate that children should be taught to masturbate H early on so that they don't grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".  L He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their littleM boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, proper movement, O and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.  Utopia for JF would be a > world full of parents manipulating their little boys' penises.  M 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the minute!  Are  you sure about all this stuff?  P Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a decade full of Mezei trolling in there.   M 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the time like  all trolls do?  K Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling  aliases.  G 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he work?   O Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, a grown man O who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and trolls the newsgroups M all night.  In his free time when he isn't trolling he likes to ride his bike G down to Dorval Airport and race the planes down the runway in his bike.   9 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?   M Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he never got past G the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor (i.e. "pull my H finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.  L 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about them, is
 that true?  M Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in the locker room. N He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has seen in locker rooms overP the years, especially his unnatural obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the menO in locker rooms trying to measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is N left if they have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case of phimosis.   O 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insane asylum!   M Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin foil hat N world where others are out to get him.  The key to understanding JF is that heL sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the world is out to get him, especially the) USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about.   O What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian rail system was J "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut, spotting trains,N writing down their numbers and chasing them down at the train yard like a goodM freak.  Then he turned his attention to aviation.  Major events that made him P fall head first deep into the abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines andO their subsequent takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid is M he that when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employees O went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to cover up the Air D Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of the crash1 investigation.  He has never recovered from this.   6 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!  O His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to some ancient, J arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken seriously forM decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits and social dropouts who share J his psychological traumas, crying for the good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!  ! 17.  Where else does he hang out?   I can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geeky computer G groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster he invaded the N sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, and trolled it relentlesslyP with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crap he's so famous for.  But they ranN him off that group and he had to go crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail% between his legs, licking his wounds.   P 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and doesn't troll.  O Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so he slips P in troll bait every now and then, but by and large he respects comp.os.vms, and,L more importantly, he tries to hide his trolling activities from them so they* won't find out what a major netkook he is.  P 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho he is!  O Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And while you're at I it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido too.  And to O alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.   4 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address?  H Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:   abuse@sympatico.ca abuse@bellglobal.com abuse@istop.com   P And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups, email it toP people, you may host it at your own website, send it to newspapers and magazinesI that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.      *** APPENDIX ***  P List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over the years.  This isK only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to compile a full list.    jfmezei@istop.com  jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com  jfmezei@videotron.ca jfmezei@vl.videotron.ca  nospam.jfmezei@videotron.ca  "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam]   nobody <nobody@nobody.com> nobody <nobody@nobody.net> nobody <nobody@nobody.org> nobody <nobody@nobody.info>  nobody <nobody@nobody.int> nobody <nobody@nothing.nil>  nobody <nobody@null.dev> muklak <muklak@eskimo.net> Sheep skin <sheep@station.au> # snowy squirrel <squirrel@nest.tree> ) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org> & Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> " Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> " Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> ( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> ! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> # Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>   Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> $ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> ! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>   Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> % Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> ( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> ( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> " Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> & Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> " Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> * Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> * Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>  Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>   ; *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY*    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:11:23 -0600 ( From: Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net>$ Subject: Re: new TCPIP patch for 5.32 Message-ID: <5lOdne5ITYEQsaTd3cwC-g@speakeasy.net>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: ? > In article <cc5619f2.0402191004.456bca1b@posting.google.com>, + > jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes:   >  > G >>Anyone have any updated information on this problem?  Heard back from D >>HP?  We have a 'patch day' scheduled next weekend which would haveB >>included this update if not for the reported problems.  Any info >>appreciated. >  > J > If you look at the patch site, you will see that both the ALPHA and VAX A > versions have been put on hold until the problem is solved.  I  H > personally didn't install it on ALPHA, but it looks like many who did B > got burned.  I did install it on VAX and have had no problems.  I > Apparently the problem COULD occur on VAX, but the probability is much  A > lower.  I think both patches are no longer available from ITRC.  >   G Thanks; I would have caught that eventually but I spent the last three  A days taking care of yet another POS peecee used in a position of  I importance that decided to self destruct.  Well, even if a new update is  F released, or a workaround provided, it is too late to consider it for - the upcoming patch day.  Thanks for the info!    Rich   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Feb 2004 18:32:19 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)) Subject: Old Personal Management Programs 0 Message-ID: <c1asjj$lvu$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   Hi,   5 somewhere on an old disk I found a bunch of programs:   @               Employee  Evaluation               "EVALUE  .BAS" ?               Communications                     "COMMUN  .BAS" ?               Time Management                    "TIMEFI  .BAS" ?               Decision Making                    "DECISI  .BAS" ?               Delegation Effectiveness           "DELEGA  .BAS" ?               Motivational                       "MOTIVA  .BAS" ?               Be A Better Manager                "MANAGE  .BAS" ?               Boss Evaluation Program            "MYBOSS  .BAS" ?               Planning improvement               "PLANS   .BAS" ?               Get More RESULTS                   "GETDUN  .BAS" ?               Interviewing Prospective Employees "INTERV  .QES" ,                (this is a document to print)    These where produced by:                  M.D. Smith                 C/O WAAY-TV*                1000 Monte Sano Blvd., S.E.$                Huntsville, AL  35801                (205) 533-3131   M Unfortunately I have only executables for VAXen. As the files date from 1988, D I wonder if someone out there might have the original Basic sources?   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:19:57 -0800 & From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net>% Subject: Re: Probably a dumb question + Message-ID: <c1av5f0ljm@enews4.newsguy.com>    Sue Skonetski wrote:E > Can somone explain to me why there keeps being really horrible mail H > about JF in a newsgroup like this one (computer related)? I guess I do/ > not understand the objective of such garbage.    Sue:  6 The Usenet is a big place full of all kinds of people.C Here in our obscure, dark little corner, JF is a knowledgeable and  F respected member. His insights, knowledge and opinion is appreciated,  and even encouraged.G It would seem that in other parts of the Net, he's not as appreciated.  F And it would also seem that he's caught the attention of some kind of 9 psychopath who's not afraid to let his/her opinion known.    T    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 02:37:37 GMT 0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>H Subject: Re: replacing TCPIP cluster alias with FAILSAFE IP in TCPIP 5.4= Message-ID: <RHd_b.71921$Wa.55883@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   = > Can I continue to use the TCPIP cluster alias if I want to?   K Yes.  Under the hood, failSAFE and Cluster Alias use the same technology to I manage IP addresses.  i..e. a Distributled Lock is associated with the IP J address.  It was designed in a way which would allow existing users of the9 IP Cluster Alias to be up and running without any change.   D > Can I achieve the same functionality I have now without additional > hardware?   I Yes.  If you enable the failSAFE service, you will also be protected from G cable disconnects and other events which would result in a stagnant NIC L "receive bytes" counter.  Take a look at my whitepaper on configuring TCP/IPF for High Availability.  It was published in the OVMS Tech Journal, V2,I http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/journal.   Though, in your configuration, if K you want exactly the same behaviour as IP Cluster Alias, (ie, failover when I a node or TCP/IP is shutdown), then you do not need the failSAFE service.   I > Is it THAT difficult to put ALL the commands into the TCPIP> interface?   L Continuing to provide significant enhancement of the product has resulted inC some areas missing out on additional TCPIP commands to manage them.   I > I know the kernel is ported from unix, but why are we (at least in some ' > cases) FORCED to use the unix syntax?   J Well... it has always been a BSD-based kernel with a CLI that attempted toF wrap all the BSD-style functionallity into a VMS-style command syntax.I Depending on the service you need, there are several BSD-style interfaces G that have long been exposed to the user.  You are seeing more BSD-sytle L interfaces exposed, primarily because we choose to deliver new functionality@ first and not delay it for the sake of a few VMS-style commands.   Matt.    --  = -------------------------------------------------------------  OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Company  Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA = -------------------------------------------------------------     L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>/ wrote in message news:c17i36$jpq$2@online.de... F > I've read that in TCPIP 5.4 the FAILSAFE IP will "replace" the TCPIP- > cluster alias (and add more functionality).  > = > Can I continue to use the TCPIP cluster alias if I want to?  > D > Can I achieve the same functionality I have now without additionalJ > hardware?  I have several nodes in a cluster behind a NAT/PAT router.  ID > send incoming connections to the cluster alias.  I don't need load" > balancing, but do need failover. > I > Is it THAT difficult to put ALL the commands into the TCPIP> interface? I > I know the kernel is ported from unix, but why are we (at least in some ' > cases) FORCED to use the unix syntax?  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:31:57 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>" Subject: Re: Rumours of (CPU) Wars) Message-ID: <40391FCC.AC4A9516@istop.com>    "M. Ranjit Mathews" wrote:B > Given that there are quad-Xeon blade servers today*, why would a) > Montecito not be blade server material? C > * http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i2089/quad-xeon-mp-server-b.php   N Blades are to servers what laptops are to desktops. The more compact the unit,M the more issues you have with power and heat. That is why initial blades were % based on the pentium 3 and not the 4.   H IA64 generates far too much heat to be swapped into a conventional bladeM server. Try putting a 300 lightbulb in a confined box and see what happens to  plastic nearby.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:55:59 GMT 0 From: "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@example.com>M Subject: Re: RZ29B-VA (a.k.a. 4.3GB Seagate Barracuda) in DEC3000 or DEC2000? 8 Message-ID: <zH8_b.64609$1S1.22526@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>  J "systematipltoddemontodcotoduk" <system@ipldot.demondot.codot.uk> wrote in6 message news:c17n3t$5rh$2$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk... > Hiya,  > K > With a 2.1GB system disk becoming strained on both of my Alphas, I'd like  to, > try and increase the disk space available. > L > I have a couple of RZ29B-VA Storageworks disks available, these apparentlyF > (on the evidence of opening the SW carrier of one of them) a SeagateB > ST15150N.  They're 7200rpm with the usual 50-pin SCSI connector. >uK > Would it be feasible shoving them into the DEC 2000/300 cabinets or wouldg1 > they be likely to have a short and heated life?u  J I don't recall what a DEC 2000 looks like, but my 3000 has so much cooling, in it I can't imagine any disks overheating.  H > Oh, and a cadge too - does anybody have a spare RRD42 caddy to donate? I'veK > borrowed one off a colleague to verify that the drive works, but I really 2 > need one of my own so that he can have his back!  L Isn't that a "standard" caddy, unlike the RRD40? Caddies are hard to come by= in retail now, but you should be able to buy some on the web.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:47:10 -0600i( From: Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net>M Subject: Re: RZ29B-VA (a.k.a. 4.3GB Seagate Barracuda) in DEC3000 or DEC2000?n2 Message-ID: <9k2dnRJIG_ZpqaTd3cwC-g@speakeasy.net>  $ systematipltoddemontodcotoduk wrote: > Hiya,s > N > With a 2.1GB system disk becoming strained on both of my Alphas, I'd like to, > try and increase the disk space available. > L > I have a couple of RZ29B-VA Storageworks disks available, these apparentlyF > (on the evidence of opening the SW carrier of one of them) a SeagateB > ST15150N.  They're 7200rpm with the usual 50-pin SCSI connector. > K > Would it be feasible shoving them into the DEC 2000/300 cabinets or woulde1 > they be likely to have a short and heated life?m > L > The DEC3000 has 192MB physical memory and presently has two RZ28M disks inK > it, plus a Toshiba XM5401-B CD.  Options fitted are a DEFTA (TurboChannel  > FDDI) and PMAGD graphics.hI > The DEC2000 has 80MB memory and 1off RZ25/1 off RZ28, plus an RRD42 CD. L > Options are ethernet, the "internal" SCSI and a graphics adapter.  It doesM > have a DSSI card (KFESB) fitted at the moment, but since the system doesn'tnK > "see" any DSSI devices at console level, this will shortly be coming out!i > N > Oh, and a cadge too - does anybody have a spare RRD42 caddy to donate?  I'veK > borrowed one off a colleague to verify that the drive works, but I really,2 > need one of my own so that he can have his back! >  > Thanks in advancen >  > Steve< > 
 > Steve Reecee; > steve dot reece at ipl dot nospam dot demon dot co dot uke >  > C You could try Radio Shack for the caddy, if there are any near you.l  F We have a PC AXP-150, equivalent to a 2000-300 that has had two RZ29s C and one RZ26 in it for years.  It did run too warm initially so we mH installed a pair of drive cooling fans; these are the front bezels that G fit in the 5-1/4" drive slots and contain two or three small fans that aC pull air in and blow it over the drives.  Fairly easy to find at a i2 compusa or other peecee store.  No problems since.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:06:56 -0600 % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>y Subject: Re: SAN or NAS ?a9 Message-ID: <X67_b.35673$_66.16960@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>s  6 Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:dccr6ZitKkH0@eisner.encompasserve.org...lG > In article <2TeZb.28975$fW.14620@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime"  <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes: > > : > > Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message1 > > news:DjhumVOyx5Ga@eisner.encompasserve.org... K > >> In article <RQWYb.17844$Dg1.17047@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime"r > > <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes: > >> > > >> > >> >J > >> > Unless your network backbone is also 1GIG, they cannot compete with the@L > >> > throughput of a SAN.  Even if they are at 1GIG, you could be at 2 GIG
 > > today.8 > >> > 10 GIG in a year or two.  (I forget the timeline) > >> > > >>A > >> 4 Gig this year.  10 Gig?  Ouch!  Will it happen in the nextt
 > >> 5 years?  > >IA > > Brocade is skipping the 4GIG level and going strait to 10GIG.t > - > That is what they say, they are a hold-out.F > They won't be for long.e  K Well, If Brocade has 10GIG in a year or two, and Mcdata is still perfecting G 4GIG, then brocade will be ahead.  Either way, I still do not NEED that H performance today.  I might in a few years.  Like I said before, I stillF have plenty of production clusters doing fine on 1GIG.  The EVA vs HSG= upgrade will do more for them than the 1 to 2 GIG fibre will.e  
 > > McData isdI > > trying to use 4 GIG as a selling point.  Personally, I have dozens ofsG > > DS20E/ES4x servers that are not even taxing our 1GIG SAN.  I see no  reasonL > > to upgrade those because they do not need it!  Our newer systems (ES47's andA! > > 1280's) are on a 2GIG fabric.  > >: >06 > Yes.  The biggest selling point is you don't have to= > throw away your infrastructure and could migrate in stages.u6 > At close to $1500 per pop and 2 HBAs per servers....A > Brocade will get the point that their customers can't afford tot > throw those away.i >aJ > > All of this is a moot point without having a 4GIG HBA that you can put into > > your server.  :-)e > = > Well, Emulex was a 4-Gig holdout.  But they aren't anymore.D< > Qlogic announced intention for 4-gig.  Since they are over2 > 90% of the HBA market, who are you referring to?  F I'm talking about being able to buy a VMS compatible 4GIG HBA from HP.L Until I can buy one.  It's all theory.  The last 2 racks of equipment that I/ installed last week all had 2GIG HBA's in them.S  J When I can buy HBA's Switches, and Storage that are all 4GIG devices, then it is a reality.   >e > Rob1 >1C > Aside:  4-Gig is "mostly" a 2005 thing, so this is about futures.t  3 Yes it is.  The 10GIG vs 4GIG is all about futures.m   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2004 21:25:21 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)h Subject: Re: SAN or NAS ?w3 Message-ID: <rDnPB0evePrN@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  a In article <X67_b.35673$_66.16960@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes:  > 8 > Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:dccr6ZitKkH0@eisner.encompasserve.org...rH >> In article <2TeZb.28975$fW.14620@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" > <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes: >> >; >> > Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message52 >> > news:DjhumVOyx5Ga@eisner.encompasserve.org...L >> >> In article <RQWYb.17844$Dg1.17047@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" >> > <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes:  >> >> >p >> >>a >> >> >wK >> >> > Unless your network backbone is also 1GIG, they cannot compete with0 > themM >> >> > throughput of a SAN.  Even if they are at 1GIG, you could be at 2 GIGA >> > today.p9 >> >> > 10 GIG in a year or two.  (I forget the timeline)a >> >> >r >> >>tB >> >> 4 Gig this year.  10 Gig?  Ouch!  Will it happen in the next >> >> 5 years? >> >B >> > Brocade is skipping the 4GIG level and going strait to 10GIG. >>. >> That is what they say, they are a hold-out. >> They won't be for long. > M > Well, If Brocade has 10GIG in a year or two, and Mcdata is still perfecting I > 4GIG, then brocade will be ahead.  Either way, I still do not NEED that'J > performance today.  I might in a few years.  Like I said before, I stillH > have plenty of production clusters doing fine on 1GIG.  The EVA vs HSG? > upgrade will do more for them than the 1 to 2 GIG fibre will.  >   A 	You have to be a subscriber to see this.  Brocade isn't skippingc 	4-Gig.m  P http://storagemagazine.techtarget.com/strgTrend/1,291266,sid35_gci949249,00.html  ' 4 Gb Fibre Channel: Everyone's On Boardk Issue: Feb 2004l  N What a difference a few months can make. "A year ago, I wouldn't have bet thatJ 4Gb Fibre Channel [FC] would go anywhere," says Charlie Kraus, director ofK marketing for the host bus adapter (HBA) unit of LSI Logic Storage StandardvJ Product Division, which plans to ship 4Gb/s HBAs in mid-2004. But now, theK current thinking seems to be "Ten gig is so expensive, maybe an incrementalr step makes sense."   [1]  O And for once, this doesn't appear to be an exclusively vendor-driven technologytH change. "I've had customers specifically ask me for four gig," says TonyH DiCenzo, director of industry marketing for Brocade, which announced itsN support for the standard last October, at Storage Networking World in Orlando,O FL. Large system OEMs are also eager to get their hands on 4Gb/s technology, heM says.    ---h  B 	Why ask for 4-gig?  "Because, we can't afford to ditch our HBAs!"   > H > I'm talking about being able to buy a VMS compatible 4GIG HBA from HP.N > Until I can buy one.  It's all theory.  The last 2 racks of equipment that I1 > installed last week all had 2GIG HBA's in them.i > L > When I can buy HBA's Switches, and Storage that are all 4GIG devices, then > it is a reality. >   ? 	Right - but as a next step, when 4-Gig switches come along, it ; 	makes sense to go with those in anticipation of 4-Gig HBAsr- 	to take advantage of the doubled throughput.u  D >> Aside:  4-Gig is "mostly" a 2005 thing, so this is about futures. > 5 > Yes it is.  The 10GIG vs 4GIG is all about futures.  >   @ 	And it is pretty apparent 4-Gig will happen, will be successful@ 	and pushes infrastructure busting 10-gig to a distant time when/ 	400 MByte/sec point-to-point is a choke point.    				Rob8    M [1]  10-gig is so expensive?  Please.  Never mind how much the switches cost.iE      The expense/pain comes in when migration time comes.  Switch out B 	all your HBAs in the middle of a switch migration?  Migration to 5 	4-Gig will be a snap since it talks to 1+2 Gig HBAs.t   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2004 11:49:59 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)? Subject: TCO cluster study proves VMS, questions unix/linux ...x= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0402221149.1f7d4deb@posting.google.com>i  . OpenVMS proves once again its superiority over unix/linux ...  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14282l   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:55:03 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)C Subject: Re: TCO cluster study proves VMS, questions unix/linux ... 0 Message-ID: <newscache$j3aith$uka$1@news.sil.at>  h In article <d7791aa1.0402221149.1f7d4deb@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:/ >OpenVMS proves once again its superiority overt >unix/linux ...u >y* >http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14282    Please Bob do us a little favor.  0 Ask questions on yearly HPQ shareholder meetings or2 Buy an ad page in a big newspaper once in 3 months orC Write a letter per week to the HPQ top, upper and middle management  or6 Buy as much VMS equipment as HPQ can produce every day  9 ...but DON'T TELL US WHAT WE ALL KNOW or we do get upset.r   -- T Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERu% Network and OpenVMS system specialistM E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2004 19:33:34 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)C Subject: Re: TCO cluster study proves VMS, questions unix/linux ...r= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0402221933.648471f2@posting.google.com>e  n peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<newscache$j3aith$uka$1@news.sil.at>...j > In article <d7791aa1.0402221149.1f7d4deb@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:1 > >OpenVMS proves once again its superiority overa > >unix/linux ...  > >P, > >http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14282 > " > Please Bob do us a little favor. > 2 > Ask questions on yearly HPQ shareholder meetings > or4 > Buy an ad page in a big newspaper once in 3 months > orE > Write a letter per week to the HPQ top, upper and middle managementQ > or8 > Buy as much VMS equipment as HPQ can produce every day > ; > ...but DON'T TELL US WHAT WE ALL KNOW or we do get upset.   @ but there are people who visit this site looking for information: that do "NOT" know ... that is one of the reasons for this> site, to provide factual information about OpenVMS not only to= current users but potential users as well ... any objections?e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:26:20 GMTs' From: Doc Octopus <dococt@noschpam.org> C Subject: Re: TCO cluster study proves VMS, questions unix/linux ...s/ Message-ID: <Xns9497E44883767XSlug27@68.6.19.6>   > On 22 Feb 2004, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) posted some6 news:d7791aa1.0402221933.648471f2@posting.google.com:   C > peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote in messagel/ > news:<newscache$j3aith$uka$1@news.sil.at>... h@ >> In article <d7791aa1.0402221149.1f7d4deb@posting.google.com>,. >> bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: 2 >> >OpenVMS proves once again its superiority over >> >unix/linux ... >> >- >> >http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14282e >>  # >> Please Bob do us a little favor.m >> /3 >> Ask questions on yearly HPQ shareholder meetingsr >> or 5 >> Buy an ad page in a big newspaper once in 3 monthsh >> or F >> Write a letter per week to the HPQ top, upper and middle management >> or.9 >> Buy as much VMS equipment as HPQ can produce every dayS >> h< >> ...but DON'T TELL US WHAT WE ALL KNOW or we do get upset. > B > but there are people who visit this site looking for information< > that do "NOT" know ... that is one of the reasons for this@ > site, to provide factual information about OpenVMS not only to? > current users but potential users as well ... any objections?o   None Bob, keep waving the flag..   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 02:50:48 GMT 0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>> Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.4] Session Disconnects (and DISCONNECT)= Message-ID: <cUd_b.71937$Wa.17077@news-server.bigpond.net.au>s  L You are right, it doesn't appear in our documentation... and subsequently isJ not officially supported.  I will also be adding this to our requirements.B I tend to use the 'abort' command from time to time, but from your3 demonstration, it clearly needs a little more work.A  4 > What does the asterisk indicate. A pending ABORT ?  F That is an indication that the address is considered "at home" on thatL interface.  This is important for failSAFE, whereupon an interface recovers,1 it requests that its 'children' also return home.h   Matt.s   -- H= -------------------------------------------------------------w OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Company  Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA = -------------------------------------------------------------l    C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in messagen+ news:newscache$akqeth$ak32$1@news.sil.at...tE > In article <v5dZb.67309$Wa.21061@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Matt , Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> writes:G > >Oh, I should have also mentioned this command, in case it meets your  > >immediate needs:o > >,' > >    $ ifconfig ie0 10.10.10.10 abort  > >rJ > >This will abort all connections to the 10.10.10.10 address on interface ie0. >nA > It does indeed meet my immediate needs (if it works of course). G > But the enhancements to DISCONNECT are still on my wish list (greater G > flexibility) and if they are there, then this abort becomes obsolete.r >a9 > btw Where is this documented ? I didn't find it so far.nD > If not, is it supported already (and only documentation missing) ?. > Did it already exist in TCPIP V5.3 (ECO ?) ? >e >a > Now to my first tries: >pL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------" > $ ucx ifconfig we0 alias 1.2.3.4 > $ ucx ifconfig -atC > LO0: flags=100c89<UP,LOOPBACK,NOARP,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX,NOCHECKSUM> 1 >      inet 127.0.0.1 netmask ff000000 ipmtu 4096  >s > TN0: flags=80<NOARP> >h > TN1: flags=80<NOARP> > G > WE0: flags=8000c63<UP,BROADCAST,NOTRAILERS,RUNNING,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX>eG >      inet 1.2.3.4 netmask ff000000 broadcast 1.255.255.255 ipmtu 1500 I >      inet 192.168.50.81 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 192.168.50.255 ipmtus 1500 >a" > $ ucx ifconfig we0 1.2.3.4 abort( > 1.2.3.4: aborting 53 tcp connection(s)L > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------6 > 53 connections ? There wasn't even one existing yet.D > OTOH no connection was disconnected and so it is only a cosmetical problem.L > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > $ ucx ifconfig -aeC > LO0: flags=100c89<UP,LOOPBACK,NOARP,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX,NOCHECKSUM>r1 >      inet 127.0.0.1 netmask ff000000 ipmtu 4096e >  > TN0: flags=80<NOARP> >i > TN1: flags=80<NOARP> >iG > WE0: flags=8000c63<UP,BROADCAST,NOTRAILERS,RUNNING,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX>vG >     *inet 1.2.3.4 netmask ff000000 broadcast 1.255.255.255 ipmtu 1500.I >      inet 192.168.50.81 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 192.168.50.255 ipmtut 1500 >.# > $ ucx ifconfig we0 -alias 1.2.3.4hL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------4 > What does the asterisk indicate. A pending ABORT ? >v? > And now with a connection (to itself via this address) again:mL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------" > $ ucx ifconfig we0 1.2.3.4 abort1 > Unexpected error in status, deleting TCB (QIO).e> > Possibly in TIME_WAIT state of 120 seconds for BG device: 0.2 > Unable to abort connections for address 1.2.3.4:L > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------F > OTOH after the 120 seconds passed, this message came and the session aborted. >o >tJ > Means, there is room for improvement but so far seems usable. Thanks for this.F >e > -- i > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERt' > Network and OpenVMS system specialisto > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 03:33:21 GMTt0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>> Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.4] Session Disconnects (and DISCONNECT)< Message-ID: <5we_b.71975$Wa.6384@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  ; > I disagree. The address is gone, the sessions should too.q  K OK.  I won't try to force you over to my side of the fence :-).  I will sayhK that there are many cool features we have been able to implement because ofrK this level of modularity.  The most recent example being failSAFE IP, whereaD connections can be maintained as the IP address is reconfigured on a% different interface on the same node.   I > I think the requirements should and will grow here in the news group...h  G Yep.  I've collected and pass on many requirements from this newsgroup.aI Though, during more demanding times, I don't get to scan the newsgroup asaJ much as I would like.  If it is really important to you, then the best way; is to use the official channels via VMS product management.f  + > Is this list done by user requests only ?sL > Or does some marketing guy occassionally look on competing products, too ?  H We look at the competing products and user requests.  Though, it doesn'tK make a lot of sense to emulate behaviour in a competing product if the useroI demand does not exist to back it up.  Even with the user demand, we stillo) need to prioritise and allocate the work.o  K BTW, the TCPIP DISCO requirement is now in the hands of our PM.  It will bes reviewed during the next pass.   Cheers,k Matt.o   -- s= -------------------------------------------------------------  OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Company  Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA = -------------------------------------------------------------e    C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in messagew+ news:newscache$ejoeth$3g32$1@news.sil.at...sE > In article <8ncZb.67244$Wa.23019@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Matt!, Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> writes:4 > >>When I delete the alias address(es) the sessions/ > >> (eg. DECnet over IP) don't get terminated.o > >d; > >That is a good thing.  Protocol modularity and all that.. >i; > I disagree. The address is gone, the sessions should too.  >sD > >> 1) Is there a chance that UCX at some time will do this right ?F > >> eg. do you have an idea what parameters to try (besides how to do" > >> keepalive for DECnet over IP) > >sK > >I'm not sure what your expectations are.  Using "tcpip disconnect" seemsy thewF > >right approach.  Your 3rd point suggests you would like to see this enhanced? > >to accept /LOCAL and /REMOTE qualifiers for the port number.  >t > Yes. But I want both.lK > A DISCONNECT is the 2nd choice. 1st is the automatic session termination.a >o5 > >>Is there any chance that UCX will narrow this gape> > >> (which exists now for a decade) in the very near future ? > >eK > >Sorry to say that I haven't seen this request on our recent requirementsa > >list. ><+ > Is this list done by user requests only ?>L > Or does some marketing guy occassionally look on competing products, too ?G > I surely discussed it on more than one occasion (but didn't submit an< SPR).eI > (And I still have the impression that PSC did add KILL CONNECTION on myr own . > request way back in the very early nineties) >c+ > >       However, I will forward it along.a >f > Thanks a lot.> >hL > >                                           But before I do, is there more to > >it than:a > >oF > >    tcpip disco dev /LOCAL=<local port number> /REMOTE=<remote port number>o >a$ > /LOCAL=<local-ia|*>.<local-port|*>' > /REMOTE=<remote-ia|*>.<remote-port|*>m > K > >Of course, like all work, this will be prioritised accordingly.  You canuK > >check in periodically to see where it is up to.  If you need our productt+ > >manager's email address, drop me a line.< >v
 > Dropped ;-) ! > Does he accept hobbyists, too ?y >g > >>Otherwise I willL > >> have to write a DCL script instead of using one simple TCPIP command... > >o7 > >That will have to be your solution in the near term.. >u' > And this is a problem I'm afraid off.@ >nD > eg. There is a difference between BG devices and sockets. F$DEVICE	 ("_BG*:")oH > So even getting a list of sockets is parsing output in files. Shudder. >> >aJ > >> 3) Is there a chance that a lexical function (F$GETDVI comes to mind) willH > >> (in the very near future) give me IP information (like the local IP addressaG > >> and/or port number) on BG devices ? Otherwise I will have to parset output > >> files (written by CRTL).> > >oL > >In the very near future... no.  If you can email me your requirement (theH > >more detail the better) it will be added to our requirements list and" > >reviewed during the next cycle. >d > Many Thanks.I > I think the requirements should and will grow here in the news group.... >u > >> Any hope ?  > >i, > >There is always hope.  Keep smiling.  :-) >tK > I already do. Such a fast answer. And from the right person. Wonderful...  >r > -- O > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialistm > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.106 ************************