1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 24 Feb 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 108       Contents:% Re: Another bug in the MIME utility ! % Re: Another bug in the MIME utility ! ( Bruce Ellis book OpenVMS Troubleshooting, Re: Bruce Ellis book OpenVMS Troubleshooting Re: DCL Numerical symbols  Disk Merging Re: Disk Merging0 Re: How to check  power supply in VAX 4000-705A? Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon / Re: J F  M e z e i - Frequently Asked Questions  Re: meta-data & Mozilla  Re: meta-data & Mozilla $ Re: Old Personal Management Programs$ Re: Old Personal Management Programs/ Re: printing characters with codes > 127 in DCL / Re: printing characters with codes > 127 in DCL / Re: printing characters with codes > 127 in DCL / Re: printing characters with codes > 127 in DCL / Re: printing characters with codes > 127 in DCL  Re: Rumours of (CPU) Wars D Re: RZ29B-VA (a.k.a. 4.3GB Seagate Barracuda) in DEC3000 or DEC2000?: Re: TCO cluster study proves VMS, questions unix/linux ...3 [DFU V3.0] Any reason why there is no VAX version ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:26:16 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>. Subject: Re: Another bug in the MIME utility !: Message-ID: <c1dr5p$1hima4$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>   JF Mezei wrote:  >... > $MC MIME TEMP.MIME# > <clears the screen unnecessarily>  >...  = Not just one clear, it clears the screen twice, and positions  the cursor five times.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:45:35 GMT , From: Paul <Paul-Dot-Mosteika@MyCompany.COM>. Subject: Re: Another bug in the MIME utility !- Message-ID: <4039CAFE.4373B680@MyCompany.COM>    Hi,   C Thank you for posting this problem. We have benn improving MIME for D OpenVMS since it was first introduced with OpenVMS V7.2. Since then,B many problems have been fixed. Currently, MIME V1.8 supports ODS-2G filename syntax. But, any special or non-ODS-2 compliant characters are G now converted to underscores, or you can alternately specify a filename ! when the attachment is extracted.   E It would also be helpful to show the exact error message and commands G when a failure occurs. This would help us analyze the problem in a more  efficient manner.     
 			Thanks,   			Paul Mosteika   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 03:10:47 GMT + From: "Jay E. Morris" <usenet@epsilon3.com> 1 Subject: Bruce Ellis book OpenVMS Troubleshooting 4 Message-ID: <Xgz_b.34424$M76.20967@fe2.texas.rr.com>  H Ok, found this on the HP web site but can't seem to find the actual book* anywhere.  Was it ever actually published?   OpenVMS Troubleshooting  Bruce Ellis  Publishing date:" November 30, 2003 by Digital Press Copyright 2003 Paperback, 400 pp. ISBN: 1555583032     --  ' Jay E. Morris - morrisj at epsilon3 com @ Posted with Ink Spot (for Windows CE) from DejaVu Software, Inc.8 Usenet wherever you are - http://www.dejavusoftware.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:26:25 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>5 Subject: Re: Bruce Ellis book OpenVMS Troubleshooting ( Message-ID: <403AC446.B15271E@istop.com>  K is Bruce Ellis still involved with VMS ? I thought he had abandonned VMS in # favour of a more visible platform ?    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Feb 2004 07:28:51 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: DCL Numerical symbols3 Message-ID: <S8Dt3X$CQ3XJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <OMb_b.102902$jk2.471154@attbi_s53>, glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes: > ? > Does anyone have a copy of VMS 1.0?  It allowed you to rename < > a subdirectory into itself.   Very useful for losing files; > and disk space, though not good with a disk quota, as the , > lost space still counts against the quota.  E    Just renaming it to .DIR;2 is good enough for most of us.  You can     still do that.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Feb 2004 14:45:52 -08000 From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) Subject: Disk Merging = Message-ID: <a3c44af1.0402231445.41c8014b@posting.google.com>   F I am running OVMS Version 7.3-1 on a 2-node cluster of 4-way ES40's.  E  Sadly, yesterday I had an event which I haven't figured out yet, but  which hung both of my nodes.< o    Pinging the nodes said that the NICs were responding.  F o    There was no response from the node to login requests via Telnet,+ Decnet   or LAT.  (Not even a SYS$ANNOUNCE) @ o    Even sessions which were still connected would not respond.  C      It looked a lot like a CLUSTER QUORUM hang, however neither of @ the nodes had crashed and the interconnect (dual private GigabitD Ethernet segments) showed link lights, but almost no activity.    InC order to release the hang, I was forced to manually crash the nodes @ and bring them back up.   They both came back fine.    Because I3 manually crashed the systems, I have no Crash Dumps   A (Q1.  Can anyone remind me what the console command is to force a  Memory Dump on these systems??) D (Q2.  I realize that this isn't much information, but has anyone any* idea what could cause this kind of hang??)  D      The second issue is that all of my shadowsets are merging.    ID have two nodes, only running at ~40%, however I only have two merges6 actually executing, the rest are waiting at 0% merged.  / (Q3.  Is there any way I can control merging??) 8 (Q4.  Is it possible to get this going on more drives??)5 (Q5.  Are there SYSGEN parameters I should look at??)   C      The third issue is that I am having trouble reading the System 
 Error Log.9 I know that DECevvent doesn't work.   Analyze/Error gives    SYSMGR>> analyze/errD Error Log Report Generator                                   VersionF V7.2      %ERF-F-CEHFND, New header format found. Install DECevent and run conversion utility.    = This doesn't help.     I installed Compaq Analyze and got the 	 following   * SYSMGR>> ca v /ana sys$errorlog:errlog.sysC ___.RECOVERED FROM ERROR on February 23, 2004 3:37:02 PM MST (0.717  sec elapsed)C         There was a problem parsing the log in EvtReader::parseLog:        Current Thread[main,5,main]J      EXCEPTION com.compaq.svctools.ca.services.eventreaders.EvtCorruption:E      EvtReader.fillDescriptor:  premature End-of-File, binary file is  probably corrupt.   # plus a load more crap, ending with;    Error executing command:C  com.compaq.svctools.desta.core.DESTAException: There was a problem ' parsing the log in EvtReader::parseLog: ? com.compaq.svctools.ca.services.eventreaders.EvtCorruption:     @ EvtReader.fillDescriptor:  premature End-of-File, binary file is probably corrupt.   > Q6.   Does this mean I am not going to be able to read the old? ERRLOG.SYS file?, or does it just need converting in some way??    Help   Dave.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:11:24 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)  Subject: Re: Disk Merging ( Message-ID: <c1e1as$nqh$1@pcls4.std.com>  2 dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) writes:  B >(Q1.  Can anyone remind me what the console command is to force a  >Memory Dump on these systems??)  2 CRASH at the >>> prompt. (^P should get you there)  E >(Q2.  I realize that this isn't much information, but has anyone any + >idea what could cause this kind of hang??)   " Sounds like quorum, but who knows?  E >     The second issue is that all of my shadowsets are merging.    I E >have two nodes, only running at ~40%, however I only have two merges 7 >actually executing, the rest are waiting at 0% merged.   0 >(Q3.  Is there any way I can control merging??)9 >(Q4.  Is it possible to get this going on more drives??) 6 >(Q5.  Are there SYSGEN parameters I should look at??)  < Look at the Shadow SYSGEN parameters. (esp. SHADOW_MAX_COPY)J SHADOW_MAX_COPY is dynamic; if you increase it now it will start more copyK threads next time it checks it.   (You can cause it to check by mounting a  I new shadowset.  Don't have one?  Can you dismount and immediately remount  a shadowset in 0% merge?)    --   -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:21:34 +0000 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>9 Subject: Re: How to check  power supply in VAX 4000-705A? ' Message-ID: <c1d5r5$s5l$1@lore.csc.com>    Milt Zlatic wrote: > L > The power supply is an H7874. How can I check the power supply under load?  
 Switch it on?   H If you're wanting to "test" the power supply outside the system, bear inD mind this is a switched mode power supply, and it'll probably need a> "load" to get any proper readings. So, don't bother with this.  F I suppose if you really want to load it, you'll need 8 RF36EAs (dual ID think) so you've 8 hard disk drives, find about 12 QBUS options, and fill the QBUS array with cards.   H This is probably about as much current as you draw, and I doubt that the+ power supply is designed to take that load.   @ Now, if you hear a BANG and a bit of smoke, then I expect you've? exceeded the limit, and your power supply failed the load test.   H If it works for a short while, and eventually the over current trips out; then you've got to the surge - short term use maximum load.   E If it just keeps working under these conditions, then due respect and 1 homage to the engineers that designed the system.   ? Be aware that any of these tests will at least shorten the life > expectancy of the power supply, if not destroy it. I would notD personally advise using any destructive testing methodology, but theH question is so vague that I could only realistically take a wild stab inG the dark as to what you want to check for. If this isn't the answer you D are expecting, then pose a question which will get the answer you're1 looking for, or explain what the real problem is.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Feb 2004 13:11:49 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) & Subject: Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon3 Message-ID: <NM6ssqfxPTWQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <7500353b.0402222220.624f993e@posting.google.com>, mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) writes:M >> The big question for HP is HPUX. Does HPUX share commoon code base between Q >> PaRisc and IA64 ? If so, then they can get the Tru64 bits onto HPUX/PaRisc and K >> just forget about IA64 (except for a few customers who already have it).  > H > Or. Would they dare to replace HP-UX with Linux using HP-UX extensionsG > ? HP-UX is nice Unix system, but propretary Unix is disappearing too.  >   C    So they can try over and fail again at porting Tru64 extensions? E    IMHO a little endian Linux would be an easier target, it's already     got features like a DLM.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:42:08 GMT ( From: "~ Darrell  Larose ~" <me@here.eh>8 Subject: Re: J F  M e z e i - Frequently Asked QuestionsB Message-ID: <A5x_b.1229$gh.6@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  H "privacy.at Anonymous Remailer" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> wrote inD message news:19ba28ff8a6b0313fa25543d518b8eba@remailer.privacy.at... > 1 >                ================================ , >                 FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS > 4 >                                              About > 7 >                                       J F   M E Z E I 2 >                 ================================ >  > 1.  Who is JF Mezei? > G Who the fuck cares, are you a jilted lover... because you are even more J pathetic than your target. JF seems to have a wide range of interests, you+ seem fixated on him. Get some help LOSER...    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:20:38 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  Subject: Re: meta-data & Mozilla) Message-ID: <403A6EA3.FF0C188E@istop.com>    Chip Coldwell wrote: > H > I'm surprised this question isn't in the FAQ.  Ironically, the problem, > came up when I was trying to read the FAQ. > G > Here's the situation.  I found a Bookreader version of the VMS FAQ on  > HP's website at  > 7 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq.decw$book   K It should be in the FAQ that the .decw$book files on the VMS web server are G corrupt, and no amount do tweaking of download will fix it. You need to  download the .ZIP version.  , FYI, here is the meta-data for the above URLB $ fetch_http http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq.decw$book HTTP/1.1 200 OK # Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:58:44 GMT - Server: Apache/1.3.20 (OpenVMS) mod_perl/1.21 , Last-Modified: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:19:40 GMT ETag: "75a10c-e74ec-400d7f4c"  Accept-Ranges: bytes Content-Length: 947436 Connection: close & Content-Type: application/octet-stream    M The .decw$book files I copied from CD are of variable length format. So it is M likely that the VMS web site doesn't have a proper entry for .decw$book files I and sends it into the catch-all application/octet-stream which a good VMS L browser would store as a "binary" file, either fixed length 512 or as streamB or as undefined (which should be the default for any binary data).   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Feb 2004 03:41:32 GMT0 From: Chip Coldwell <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu>  Subject: Re: meta-data & Mozilla/ Message-ID: <c1eh5c$mne$1@news.fas.harvard.edu>   + JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  > Chip Coldwell wrote: >>  I >> I'm surprised this question isn't in the FAQ.  Ironically, the problem - >> came up when I was trying to read the FAQ.  >>  H >> Here's the situation.  I found a Bookreader version of the VMS FAQ on >> HP's website at >>  8 >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq.decw$book  M > It should be in the FAQ that the .decw$book files on the VMS web server are I > corrupt, and no amount do tweaking of download will fix it. You need to  > download the .ZIP version.  E Well, I tried that.  The bookreader file in the .ZIP archive seems to 2 have the wrong record format, too.  This time it's   RECORD 	BLOCK_SPAN		yes! 	CARRIAGE_CONTROL	carriage_return  	FORMAT			stream_lf 	 	SIZE			0    So I changed that to   RECORD 	BLOCK_SPAN		yes 	CARRIAGE_CONTROL	none 	FORMAT			variable	 	SIZE			0   D and went at it with CONVERT/FDL again.  This generated two identical error messages:   8 %CONVERT-I-RTL, record longer than maximum record length  / which surprised me in light of what I read here   I http://h71000.www7.hp.com/DOC/73final/6027/6027pro_008.html#recordsection   
 which says      SIZE   )    Sets the maximum record size in bytes.   C    When used with fixed-length records, this value is the length of     every record in the file.  D    When used with variable-length records, this value is the longestD    record that can be placed in the file. With sequential or indexedD    files, you can specify 0 and the system will not impose a maximum    record length.   ; and my ORGANIZATION is definitely sequential.  Nonetheless, D HELP/MESSAGE %CONVERT-I-RTL says to specify the /TRUNCATE qualifier,2 so I do this and CONVERT doesn't complain anymore.  A However, if I go ahead and open the output file despite the error 7 messages, bookreader gives me the same error as before.    Chip   --   Charles  M. "Chip" Coldwell  "Turn on, log in, tune out"    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Feb 2004 13:21:29 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: Old Personal Management Programs 3 Message-ID: <IAfR4XUKmh41@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <c1asjj$lvu$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) writes:   B >               Employee  Evaluation               "EVALUE  .BAS"   F    That could be anything, but by convetion it is a BASIC source file.   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Feb 2004 21:28:39 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Old Personal Management Programs : Message-ID: <c1dra7$1hh3jt$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>  L In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402231405150.20893-200000@localhost.localdomain>, 	mylastname@gmcl.com writes: > F > The readme file is below.  I am intrigued by the closing sentence:  E > "Please note that these programs are NOT in the Public Domain."  A  G > strange thing to put in a collection which is freely distributable.   2 > Does this mean I can or cannot send them to you?  D Ummmmm.....  Both Linux and the current crop of BSD's are not in the. Public Domain and are freely re-distributable.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:40:10 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) 8 Subject: Re: printing characters with codes > 127 in DCL( Message-ID: <c1dofa$gus$1@pcls4.std.com>  R helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  H >What I want to do is automatically generate HTML using other character G >sets, such as ISO Latin 5.  This will look like gibberish when viewed  E >with, say, TYPE or EDT.  However, in a browser it looks fine.  (The  I >source will be a transliteration consisting of printable 7-bit US-ASCII  G >characters (or combinations of them).  Thus, all development can take  I >place on something as basic as a VT100 and still look OK when viewed in   >a web browser.)  H >The alternative would be to write it in Fortran or whatever, but since H >performance is not an issue and the need to make quick changes is, DCL  >seems more natural.    G >Something in-between would be to use EDT's "special insert" to insert  9 >them.  However, a pure DCL solution would be preferable.   G It is probably easiest to output the characters using the HTML &xxx; or I &#nnn; syntax (where xxx is the html name of the character and nnn is the G numeric code for the character).  These will be converted to the proper " character by the client's browser.  H Another way is use the method for defining characters in DCL, similar to4 the following sequence for writing an ESC character.   $ ESC=""
 $ ESC[0,8]=27 * $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT ESC,"[5m","X",ESC,"[0m"  H (the above writes a sequence to produce a blinking X on a VTxxx without   embedded escapes in a .COM file)  G You just need to know the names or numeric values for all the character  codes you plan to use. --   -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:17:46 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>8 Subject: Re: printing characters with codes > 127 in DCL: Message-ID: <c1dqls$1h7d0a$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: < > In article <c1do41$1hkknk$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Peter9 > Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:  >... >> Or should you be looking at5 >> the Terminal Fallback Utility Manual (which is now 
 obsolete)? > 9 > I don't see the connection here---I don't know if it is  possible to 6 > see, say, Cyrillic characters on a terminal---VT100,
 probably not; = > VT320, perhaps; DECterm, probably.  However, I don't have a  Cyrillic= > keyboard, so would write with the transliterated pseudocode  anyway, 7 > so displaying fallback characters on a terminal isn't  something I  > need.  >...  8 I do not know about Cyrillic, but I just loaded with the6 Hebrew library. If you load it then do something like;  
 $ open xx x.x ( $ write xx "<CTRL>Ka'<CTRL>Ka"<CTRL>Ka`"
 $ close xx $ dump/byte/record x.x  + Record number 1 (00000001), 3 (0003) bytes,  RFA(0001,0000,0000)   +                      -28 -31 -32 aaa..... 0   = You see that the terminal displayed three "a" characters, but ; you wrote three different characters into the file. So this 9 might help, if you can find (or make) a Cyrillic Fallback = Library. I do not remember if there is a documented way to do > that, it has been a long time since I had to do something with TFU.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:11:58 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)8 Subject: Re: printing characters with codes > 127 in DCL$ Message-ID: <c1dqat$nma$2@online.de>  H In article <c1dofa$gus$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:   G > It is probably easiest to output the characters using the HTML &xxx;    ? As far as I know, these don't exist for ALL strange characters.    > orK > &#nnn; syntax (where xxx is the html name of the character and nnn is the I > numeric code for the character).  These will be converted to the proper $ > character by the client's browser.  G That's what I thought.  However, it seems to give the ISO-Latin-1 code.    A test page starts with:   <HTML> <HEAD>3 <Meta Http-Equiv="Content-Type" Content="text/html;  Charset=iso-8859-5"> </HEAD>  <BODY> &#176;&#177;&#178;&#179;&#180;  H However, what I see are NOT the first 5 capital letters of the Cyrillic F alphabet, but rather the ISO-Latin-1 characters for those codes.  If, ? however, I generate stuff like  or whatever, I DO see the   corresponding Cyrillic letters.   J > Another way is use the method for defining characters in DCL, similar to6 > the following sequence for writing an ESC character.  H Yes, that's the way to go.  Using single characters instead of the HTML @ code above (which as I said doesn't work) also means 1 byte per  character instead of 6.   F I doubt it's relevant, but this is with the newest version of the OSU 1 server and the newest version of Mozilla for VMS.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:32:06 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) 8 Subject: Re: printing characters with codes > 127 in DCL( Message-ID: <c1drgm$kv5$1@pcls4.std.com>  R helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:   >A test page starts with:    ><HTML>  ><HEAD> 4 ><Meta Http-Equiv="Content-Type" Content="text/html; >Charset=iso-8859-5">  ></HEAD> ><BODY>  >&#176;&#177;&#178;&#179;&#180;   I >However, what I see are NOT the first 5 capital letters of the Cyrillic  G >alphabet, but rather the ISO-Latin-1 characters for those codes.  If,    G Cyrillic characters are NOT &#176;&#177;&#178;&#179;&#180;.  Those are, F as you discovered, in the ISO-Latin-1 set.  Remember, the code numbers# override the Charset in the header.   F I don't have the table of the codes handy, but a little playing aroundB and I find the sequence &#920;&#921;&#922;&#923;&#924;&#925;&#926;F displays capital Greek characters.  Cyrillic is probably in the low 4  digit range.   --   -Mike    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:51:52 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) 8 Subject: Re: printing characters with codes > 127 in DCL( Message-ID: <c1e778$2rd$1@pcls4.std.com>  R helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  G >which, when prefaced with the HTML above, will display the Macedonian  H >version of the Cyrillic alphabet.  This is of course much more compact 7 >than using &#1221; or whatever for a single character.   K Now you got my curiosity up.  I took Russian in college, but I see several  % letters there that I don't recognize.      --   -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:05:57 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> " Subject: Re: Rumours of (CPU) Wars0 Message-ID: <c1d4sl$qra$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   M. Ranjit Mathews wrote:1 > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote ...  > W >>In article <401E34D6.A4F9E14@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  >> >>>Question: >>> P >>>considering that with equal technology, the IA64 is significantly hotter thanM >>>other architectures, one could state that even with time, IA64 will remain G >>>hotter since the other architectures will also benefit from the same  >>>technological improvements. >>>  >>@ >>	No.  With hardware IA32 removed from Itanium, Itanium's logicD >>	transistor count will be somewhere around 17 million transistors.B >>	Pentium 4 is nearly 70 million transistors.  Cache sections can@ >>	be put to sleep.  Finally, high-k to the rescue (as seen here* >>	before) much decreased current leakage. >> >>L >>>Or will HP begin to design its boxes with room for additional fans, whichO >>>would enable the same box designs to be used for IA64 ? (whilst on 8086, the   >>>punch outs would be covered ) >>A >>	Tukwila is supposedly running slower but performing higher of	 @ >>	course.  I'd bet that they don't exceed Montecito.  But it isA >>	a moot point.  Montecito/Tukwila certainly aren't blade server  >>	material. >>	 >>				Rob  >  > B > Given that there are quad-Xeon blade servers today*, why would a) > Montecito not be blade server material? C > * http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i2089/quad-xeon-mp-server-b.php  >   G Its too hot, the silicon mechanics blade server is a 7U 14 slot server, F each 2-4 way blade uses 2 slots in the chassis so you get 28CPU's in a 7U unit.  D Not bad, you can get 32 x CPU's in 6U in a Sun Blade but the Silicon Mechanics server is quite good.   ? I don't know what the power budget per blade is for the 2/4 way : silicon mechanics unit but a 2 CPU SunBlade 200x uses ~90W: per blade. This is less than power consumption of a single Itanium 2 CPU.  C Increasing the power budget for each blade by ~2+ would drastically E reduce the number of blades per chassis making the density advantages  of blades rather notional.  G It would based on current prices also be a very expensive way of buying 	 capacity.   C A fully configured Silicon Mechanics blade rack with 7 x 4 CPU Xeon C 2.8 Ghz 8 GB based blades is ~175K. This is expensive compared with = doing this using 1U servers. Add the minimum 2x itanium cost  0 differential and you end up with a 300K+ system.  B Compare this with using 1U 2 way Opteron Servers and an equivalentC capacity system would come in at ~70K without the Gigabit switches.    Regards  Andrew Harrison H > Is a 4-8U quad-Tukwila rack-mounted unit unlikely? Running at 1GHz andH > with sufficient RAM bandwidth, it ought to offer ~10x the performance/E > price of the original IBM p690 with its 32 ~1GHz Power4 cores, each E > Tukwila consuming no more than the ~500W required by the original 8  > core ~1GHz Power4 MCM.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:05:27 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> M Subject: Re: RZ29B-VA (a.k.a. 4.3GB Seagate Barracuda) in DEC3000 or DEC2000? 3 Message-ID: <403A8737.B00F8253@applied-synergy.com>   $ systematipltoddemontodcotoduk wrote: >  > Hiya,  > N > With a 2.1GB system disk becoming strained on both of my Alphas, I'd like to, > try and increase the disk space available. > L > I have a couple of RZ29B-VA Storageworks disks available, these apparentlyF > (on the evidence of opening the SW carrier of one of them) a SeagateB > ST15150N.  They're 7200rpm with the usual 50-pin SCSI connector. > K > Would it be feasible shoving them into the DEC 2000/300 cabinets or would 1 > they be likely to have a short and heated life?   ? If they are already in cannisters, I would leave them that way.   = Just get a BA350 or BA356 and hook it up to the DEC 2000-300.   F To do this, you will probably need a second SCSI card.  Just jumper itH to disable the floppy, run the ECU, and go.  (Connecting SCSI devices to> both the internal and external connector on these cards can be. tempermental.  A second card works perfectly.)  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  " Date: Mon, 23 Feb 04 20:36:08 +100 From: rok@nuk.uni-lj.si C Subject: Re: TCO cluster study proves VMS, questions unix/linux ... & Message-ID: <403a643c$1@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>  / In Article <c1ct86$o83$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com> Q Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  >Bob Ceculski wrote:1 >> OpenVMS proves once again its superiority over  >> unix/linux ...  >>  , >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14282 > 5 >No its that same TechFoolish study which as you know 3 >full well proves absolutely nothing except that he 1 >who pays for the study gets the result he wants.   > Andrew, are you absolutely positive that He who pays for your ! studies gets the result He wants?    Regards,  D Rok Vidmar                       Internet:  rok.vidmar@nuk.uni-lj.si; National and University Library  Phone:     +386 1 421 5461 ; Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana    Fax:       +386 1 421 5464  Slovenia   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:31:42 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)< Subject: [DFU V3.0] Any reason why there is no VAX version ?0 Message-ID: <newscache$f89kth$7qe$1@news.sil.at>  K I wanted to upgrade DFU on my VAX from V2.7A to V3.0 (as I run on my Alpha) H but alas, the DFU.ZIP from the OpenVMS Freeware V6 doesn't contain a VAX version.  C Why ? Does the maintainer no longer have a VAX ? May I offer mine ?    TIA    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.108 ************************                         address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address does not match command connection address.n <<< PORT 1,81,118,105,18,57O? >>> 501 IP address doe