1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 29 Feb 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 119       Contents:P Re: 2-node LAVC cluster with quorum disk - network disappears - which node CLUEX Re: ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.7  RE: ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.7  Re: ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.7 - Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette - Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette - Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette - Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette - Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette - Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette - Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette - Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette - Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette - Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette  Re: Hobbyist license for VMS Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon  Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon + J F  M e z e i - Frequently Asked Questions * Re: Mozilla: contact for VMS-specific bugs* Re: Mozilla: contact for VMS-specific bugs* Re: Mozilla: contact for VMS-specific bugs* Re: Mozilla: contact for VMS-specific bugs Re: Power Button on PWS  Re: Power Button on PWS  Re: Power Button on PWS  Re: Power Button on PWS + RE: VMS Hobbyist License program abolished? + Re: VMS Hobbyist License program abolished? @ Re: VMS upgrade changed program behavior, what could cause this?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:38:52 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>Y Subject: Re: 2-node LAVC cluster with quorum disk - network disappears - which node CLUEX - Message-ID: <87d67yfffn.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ! Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:   E > despite working with VMS clusters for the last 100 or so years, I'm $ > stuck for an answer to this query:   > Scenario:   & > NODE1 <------ Ethernet ------> NODE2% >    +                              + % >    |                              | % >    |                              | % >    +----- Shared SCSI bus --------+  >                  | >                  |0 >                  | Disks including quorum disk  E > Both nodes have 1 vote, as does the quorum disk, expected votes set  > to 3, quorum therefore is 2.  & > Ethernet gets, ahem, "disconnected".  1 > One of the nodes voluntarily exits the cluster.   # > Question:  which one ?  And why ?   > > Is it the last one to access the quorum disk that stays up ?  B It is the one that gets a hold on the quorum disk, it then has twoC votes and is a happy camper. SCSI address will result in the higher C address SCSI unit having the higher priority and most likley to get & the disk. Note, likley, not garenteed!   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Feb 2004 17:29:18 -0100* From: "Michael Kraemer" <M.Kraemer@gsi.de>  Subject: Re: ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.70 Message-ID: <4042216E.MD-1.4.4.M.Kraemer@gsi.de>   >  >   if (nbytes <= 0) {
 > .......^R > %CC-I-QUESTCOMPARE, In this statement, the unsigned expression "nbytes" is beingR >  compared with a relational operator to a constant whose value is not greater th0 > an zero.  This might not be what you intended.K > at line number 97 in file DISK$SOFT:[MOSAIC3_7.ALPHA.LIBJPEG]JDATASRC.C;1  > # > Is this something to worry about?  >   D probably not. If "nbytes" is an unsigned it cannot be less than zero' anyway, this is what the message means.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:22:39 +0000 (UTC) ? From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (remove CLOTHES to reply)   Subject: RE: ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.7$ Message-ID: <c1t3ke$jog$1@online.de>  + cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) wrote:    0 > Release 3.7 of VMS Mosaic is now available at: > 0 >     ftp://alpha.wvnet.edu/mosaic/mosaic3_7.zip > D > VMS Mosaic is a GUI web browser.  It supports HTML V4.0 (includingF > tables and frames), animated GIFs, cookies, secure connections, etc.E > It does not support Java, JavaScript or style sheets.  A C compiler  > is required to build it.  H I'm building it now on ALPHA.  It apparently works on VAX as well!  (On F one VAX I don't have the optional DECWindows stuff and on the other I H don't have a C compiler.  Rather than upgrade one or the other or both, I I'll wait until I have perfected my scheme for duplicating system disks,  F so that I just have one disk to maintain, then rebuild it.  I will be F upgrading layered products on VAX soon, so I might as well wait until G after that.  I'll have to rebuild when SSL is installed, which I think  @ is the case with TCPIP 5.4, which I don't have yet.  Will it be 3 available for VAX?  If so, another reason to wait.)    Anyway, on my system:   ,    Compaq C V6.2-008 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1   I get the following messages:   < CC/DECC/NoDebug/Optimize/OBJECT=ODIR:JDATASRC.OBJ JDATASRC.C     if (nbytes <= 0) { ......^ P %CC-I-QUESTCOMPARE, In this statement, the unsigned expression "nbytes" is beingP  compared with a relational operator to a constant whose value is not greater th. an zero.  This might not be what you intended.I at line number 97 in file DISK$SOFT:[MOSAIC3_7.ALPHA.LIBJPEG]JDATASRC.C;1   ! Is this something to worry about?    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:35:00 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  Subject: Re: ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.7$ Message-ID: <c1t7s3$noo$2@online.de>  B In article <4042216E.MD-1.4.4.M.Kraemer@gsi.de>, "Michael Kraemer" <M.Kraemer@gsi.de> writes:     > >   if (nbytes <= 0) { > > .......^T > > %CC-I-QUESTCOMPARE, In this statement, the unsigned expression "nbytes" is beingT > >  compared with a relational operator to a constant whose value is not greater th2 > > an zero.  This might not be what you intended.M > > at line number 97 in file DISK$SOFT:[MOSAIC3_7.ALPHA.LIBJPEG]JDATASRC.C;1  > > % > > Is this something to worry about?  > >  > F > probably not. If "nbytes" is an unsigned it cannot be less than zero) > anyway, this is what the message means.   E Right, but this might indicate that the programmer actually intended   something else.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:31:59 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>6 Subject: Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette) Message-ID: <4040FABE.6C199140@istop.com>    "R. D. Davis" wrote:G > anyway?  Why would anyone want to work for such employers?  Jail time D > just for avoiding Micro$oft rubbish by using your own laptop seemsB > rather extreme, and a further perversion of that already strange@ > concept of "justice" that exists in the U.S., don't you think?  H Actually not in the USA because there are no real data privacy laws. ButJ eleswhere in the world, institutions such as banks are very very touchy onN allowing any activity that may result in private information being copied to aD laptop that can then be taken out of the bank premises without priorF authorisation and proper paperwork (non disclosure agreements etc etc)  J I have seen "bank" laptops encrypted in such a way that you cannot installM your own software (eg: you can only run bank approved software). If you bring G your own laptop, there is no telling what software you have on and what B nefarious activities you coudl knowingly or unknmowingly be doing.  M Jail, perhaps not. But immediate firing, probably. You don't mess around with L private information, unless you are a VP or higher at which point nobody hasI the guts to tell you "you can't do that". That is why illegal information I exchanges between banks and questionable deals often occur at the highest N levels since they have much more freedom to operate and are not bogged down by? the strict restrictions that they apply to everyone below them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:05:59 -0000 , From: rdd@rhiannon.rddavis.org (R. D. Davis)6 Subject: Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette0 Message-ID: <10427mndlauqb92@corp.supernews.com>  ' In article <4040CC1B.9010604@mmaz.com>, . 	"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:G > You sound like a person that has not worked for someone in some time  H > because your statements are utterly ignorant!  In a world of ISO 9000   F If that's what you'd like to believe, it would, perhaps, be unfair forG me to hinder your delusions that apparently originate in something akin  to hogwash.     > certification and compliance,   C ISO 9000 compliance is pure bureaucratic pantywaist foolishness and E poppycock that gives MBA's something to waist the activities of their D few fully-functioning brain cells on.  If this wasn't true, we'd see@ vast quantities of products of higher quality than were produced; thirty or more years ago.  Those damned MBAs and management 9 consultants, etc., along with upper management, and their F lower-ranking henchmen, spend so much time focusing on certain useless< standards (while ignoring useful standards) and other thingsC nonsensical that they end up neglecting the actual product quality. E Well, they don't actually neglect the quality, they just reduce it to @ cut costs and disguise the poor quality with greater efficiency.F Let's look at this from another angle: such standards serve to produceA an illusion of good quality so that more people can be duped into A forking over their hard-earned money for cruddy products in fancy B packaging while upper management makes larger profits as a result.  ? Not everyone in the world has their brain immersed in corporate D hogwash as you're appears to be, and as a result, some of us can seeE what you've been brainwashed to not be able to see---or to not accept  the propaganda that you spew.   + > procedure and policy are mandates as are  H > policies for site security clearances, let alone policy developed and ; > dictated for the protection of intellectual properties.      ...And your point is?     
 > I can only  H > deduce from your gibberish that you are simply clueless or looking to J > just agitate those on this list with topics that really have no purpose " > or place on a technical group...  E The opionions of you and your fleas are not necessarily germane.  Did ( someone at Micro$oft program your brain?   --  N Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: M All Rights Reserved            an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &  O rdd@rddavis.org  410-744-4900  her other creatures, using dogma to justify such I http://www.rddavis.org         beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:36:59 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>6 Subject: Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette) Message-ID: <40412611.A4D0ED48@istop.com>    "R. D. Davis" wrote:E > ISO 9000 compliance is pure bureaucratic pantywaist foolishness and G > poppycock that gives MBA's something to waist the activities of their ( > few fully-functioning brain cells on.   G I fairness, if you build bolts, screws and washers, ISO9000 can be good I because it forces you to fully document the processes and ensure that the L process is followed. It works because you never change the product and hence3 need not spend 70% of your time updating paperwork.   L But if you are in a dynamic industry, then the constantly changing nature ofL your products and operations make ISO9000 a very heavy chain attached around
 your legs.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:56:17 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>6 Subject: Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette/ Message-ID: <4041C551.8CF4496@sture.homeip.net>    R. D. Davis wrote: > 2 > In article <40406C41.176882AE@sture.homeip.net>,6 >         Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: > L > > And then find that you can't run that timesheet program, which means you > > don't get paid :-) > E > Hey, just write the hours down on a piece of paper and take that to 4 > the payroll department. Seems simple enough to do. >   D Doh! They've gone to the trouble to develop that application to saveH paperwork, and they aren't going to make exceptions just because someone  feels like doing it another way.  I > > But your previous suggestion of connecting your own laptop would have J > > had you chucked out by security at any place I have worked in the last@ > > 10 or so years. At some places you could end up in jail too. > A > That's weird.  What kind of control freaks were you working for G > anyway?  Why would anyone want to work for such employers?  Jail time D > just for avoiding Micro$oft rubbish by using your own laptop seemsB > rather extreme, and a further perversion of that already strange@ > concept of "justice" that exists in the U.S., don't you think? >    Not control freaks at all, but:   B o - Responsible companies who take Data Protection Acts seriously.  @ o - Companies who wish to protect trade secrets and intellectual	 property.   G o - Financial institutions who take security and client confidentiality      very seriously.   % o - Government agencies and the like.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:57:46 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>6 Subject: Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette/ Message-ID: <4041D3BA.92A1817@sture.homeip.net>   ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > ^ > In article <40406FE5.FE4D84F@sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: > {...snip...}	 > >> Duh!  > >>; > >> Euro and British pound symbols are NOT PLAIN OLD TEXT!  > >> > > F > >But the British pound can be plain old text if you use a proper VT.J > >Somewhere in the setup you can toggle the display between # and the GBP" > >symbol, certainly on UK models. > > I > >When it comes to accented characters, Barry does have a point, as then = > >even mail between 2 VMS systems can go "quoted-printable".  > > K > >But that's still _no excuse_ for munging mails which don't require 8 bit  > >characters. > < > Thanks for being the only one that seems to see the light. >    No problem.   C But having mulled this one over a bit, a MAIL enhancement to decode E the quoted-printable stuff would be useful _for me_, at least for the C case of accented characters, as I tend to get quite a few of those.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:36:07 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>6 Subject: Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette0 Message-ID: <4041DCB7.330D7404@sture.homeip.net>   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: >  > Paul Sture wrote:  >  > >Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:  > >  > >  > >>healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > >> > >> > >>9 > >>>Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@flying-disk.com> wrote:  > >>>  > >>>  > >>>  > >>> J > >>>>on VMS systems.   It's not that they don't know what they are doing,G > >>>>they actively don't *want* to change.   They claim that there are L > >>>>only one or two people using VMS mail, so we are not worth the effort.5 > >>>>It's our fault that we are not running Windows.  > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>O > >>><sigh> Idiots!  One of the main uses of my VMS system is email.  I use the G > >>>tty VMS Mail client daily, and the DECwindows client occasionally.  > >>>  > >>>  > >>>  > >>>  > >>> G > >>We are a media rich society and to expect people, be they inside or K > >>outside your company, customer, or vendor base to stay with paper-tape, E > >>teletypes, or punch cards because you don't feel e-mail should be J > >>anything other than vanilla ASCII text, is a hopeless battle that willC > >>only continue to frustrate yourself, and alienate everyone else ' > >>attempting to communicate with you.  > >> > >> > >> > > C > >But the ***very real*** problem there is that 99% of the html or 3 > >quoted/printable emails I receive are pure spam.  > >  > >  > > G > Then that being the case, I would say that your anti-spam systems are J > very infective and in our case, I would say the inverse is true and thatH > about 80% of our spam messages that do leak through, are text; Russian > seems very popular lately... >   G There was a discussion of spam on BBC World Service radio this morning. A In it they interviewed some woman from Tampa who claimed she only D spammed people who had opted in (yeh, I _really_ believed that one).  F On one spam shot, 600,000 emails were sent out and got 65,000 "opens",B presumably measured by using HTML to reference back to a web site.D 1500 click throughs apparently. Measuring view rates is important in' that line of work it seems, hence HTML.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:06:35 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG6 Subject: Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette0 Message-ID: <00A2E21B.08C8F48F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  U In article <4040CCEC.7050706@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:  >   >VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > W >>In article <403F4517.1090006@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:  >>   >>" >>>VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>>  >>>      >>> ` >>>>In article <403E9B97.BC9E2C8@sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: >>>>{...snip...} >>>>   >>>>
 >>>>       >>>>E >>>>>But the ***very real*** problem there is that 99% of the html or 5 >>>>>quoted/printable emails I receive are pure spam.  >>>>>    >>>>> 
 >>>>>          >>>>> O >>>>Any email that is received here as Content-Type: */html is considered to be " >>>>fertilizer for the bit bucket. >>>>N >>>>I'd toss that rediculously stupid "quoted-printable" formatting (oh, to beM >>>>Freed of that idiocy ;) but that would mean I'd never hear from DEComHPaq 7 >>>>again.  Why does PLAIN OLD TEXT need to be encoded?  >>>>   >>>>
 >>>>       >>>>J >>>Because the SMTP RFC is based on 7-bit text streams and if you include G >>>anything odd like a British pound symbol, or the Euro, or any other  L >>>language punctuation that is not English based, those characters require G >>>an 8-bit encoding at which point the MTA MUST encode the message as  I >>>quoted-printable.  So even if there isn't HTML, embedded graphics, MS  F >>>crap, there is STILL the need for folks to get over themselves and = >>>except that pure, raw, 7-bit ASCII text e-mail is history!  >>>      >>>  >> >>Duh! >>8 >>Euro and British pound symbols are NOT PLAIN OLD TEXT! >>   >>H >Well tell that to all of our European friends, also on this list, also F >running VMS, that their currency symbol is not a valid or legitimate 9 >text character, you are thinking on this matter is very  C >narrow-minded...  I suspect that you could still find manual type  H >writers in England with old currency symbols though I would yield that 3 >you would most likely never find one for the Euro.   J You, and others, missed what I said.  quoted-printable for plain old 7-bitJ ASCII text is not necessary!!!  Somebody made some oblique statement aboutJ currency symbols which was completely off base to what I was stating.  YouJ are talking to me like I don't know that currency symbols are 8-bit and in% use outside of the US.  Doh!  Thanks!    --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 29 Feb 2004 15:00:48 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)6 Subject: Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette: Message-ID: <c1sur0$1ne6ga$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>  0 In article <10427mndlauqb92@corp.supernews.com>,/ 	rdd@rhiannon.rddavis.org (R. D. Davis) writes: ) > In article <4040CC1B.9010604@mmaz.com>, 0 > 	"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:H >> You sound like a person that has not worked for someone in some time I >> because your statements are utterly ignorant!  In a world of ISO 9000   > H > If that's what you'd like to believe, it would, perhaps, be unfair forI > me to hinder your delusions that apparently originate in something akin 
 > to hogwash.  > ! >> certification and compliance,   > E > ISO 9000 compliance is pure bureaucratic pantywaist foolishness and G > poppycock that gives MBA's something to waist the activities of their F > few fully-functioning brain cells on.  If this wasn't true, we'd seeB > vast quantities of products of higher quality than were produced > thirty or more years ago.   = Why would you think that?  Unless this is a totally different = ISO 9000 than the one I am familiar with it deal with process 9 and not product.  It certifies that a well documented and > repeatable process exists.  It does not address the quality of> the output.  You can make pure garbage.  All ISO 9000 requires@ is that you can repeat the process every time.  Thus turning out? large piles of garbage.  It would not surprise me to drive by a ? certain building in Redmond, WA and see a proudly displayed ISO  9000 billboard out front.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 29 Feb 2004 15:02:36 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)6 Subject: Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette: Message-ID: <c1suuc$1ne6ga$2@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>  ) In article <40412611.A4D0ED48@istop.com>, - 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  > "R. D. Davis" wrote:F >> ISO 9000 compliance is pure bureaucratic pantywaist foolishness andH >> poppycock that gives MBA's something to waist the activities of their) >> few fully-functioning brain cells on.   > I > I fairness, if you build bolts, screws and washers, ISO9000 can be good K > because it forces you to fully document the processes and ensure that the N > process is followed. It works because you never change the product and hence5 > need not spend 70% of your time updating paperwork.   A Yes, but as far as ISO 9000 is concerned it also doesn't make any @ difference if all your bolts have the threads winding backwards.1 As long as you can repeat the process every time.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:42:58 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>6 Subject: Re: Educating HP employees on the nettiquette6 Message-ID: <404224A2.819AD1EC@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Paul Sture wrote:  >  > Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: > >  > > Paul Sture wrote:  > >  > > >Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:  > > >  > > >   > > >>healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>; > > >>>Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@flying-disk.com> wrote:  > > >>>  > > >>>  > > >>>  > > >>> L > > >>>>on VMS systems.   It's not that they don't know what they are doing,I > > >>>>they actively don't *want* to change.   They claim that there are N > > >>>>only one or two people using VMS mail, so we are not worth the effort.7 > > >>>>It's our fault that we are not running Windows.  > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>Q > > >>><sigh> Idiots!  One of the main uses of my VMS system is email.  I use the I > > >>>tty VMS Mail client daily, and the DECwindows client occasionally.  > > >>>  > > >>>  > > >>>  > > >>>  > > >>> I > > >>We are a media rich society and to expect people, be they inside or M > > >>outside your company, customer, or vendor base to stay with paper-tape, G > > >>teletypes, or punch cards because you don't feel e-mail should be L > > >>anything other than vanilla ASCII text, is a hopeless battle that willE > > >>only continue to frustrate yourself, and alienate everyone else ) > > >>attempting to communicate with you.  > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > E > > >But the ***very real*** problem there is that 99% of the html or 5 > > >quoted/printable emails I receive are pure spam.  > > >  > > >  > > > I > > Then that being the case, I would say that your anti-spam systems are L > > very infective and in our case, I would say the inverse is true and thatJ > > about 80% of our spam messages that do leak through, are text; Russian  > > seems very popular lately... > >  > I > There was a discussion of spam on BBC World Service radio this morning. C > In it they interviewed some woman from Tampa who claimed she only F > spammed people who had opted in (yeh, I _really_ believed that one). > H > On one spam shot, 600,000 emails were sent out and got 65,000 "opens",D > presumably measured by using HTML to reference back to a web site.F > 1500 click throughs apparently. Measuring view rates is important in) > that line of work it seems, hence HTML.   G Gotta be careful there, too. Where I work, the LookOut! preview pane is H a preferred view. The preview pane causes a "passive" "open" in that theB HTML is read, executed and rendered as if the user had voluntarily "open"-ed the message.    H IMHO, it reasonable to to believe that home users of LookOut! may preferG that view, also. Thus, that measure may not as reliable as the spammers  would like to believe.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:24:36 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>% Subject: Re: Hobbyist license for VMS 0 Message-ID: <4041BDE4.3E9967B1@sture.homeip.net>   BobbydaMong wrote: >  > Howdy there... > I > Have joined the DECUS (Encompass) group a few weeks ago, with a view to ' > getting a VAX/VMS Hobbyist license...  > N > Received my number OK, but when trying to log in to www.montagar.com, I justM > get a message saying that it couldn't find my Encompass user / reference...  > L > Is anyone else having these sort of probs - does anyone know how I can getN > round this. Have tried mailing the contact mail address 3 times now (as well4 > as Encompass twice), but have yet had no response. >  > Help!   A My local DECUS number has either spaces or hyphens in it (I don't E remember which) to make it more readable. Entering it as a continuous & string of digits did the trick for me.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:18:36 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>& Subject: Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon- Message-ID: <87hdxafgdf.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   0 mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) writes:  ? > HP has introduced Opteron servers and tells that it wont dent B > Itanium sales. Opterons are available with Linux and later on on5 > Windows.  Itanium is dedicated to high end only....   9 > In practice that means systems from 64 CPU's upwards...   < No, this is HP positioning themselves so they can tell intel? "Sink the Itanic, and you will never sell another peanut here!"   @ It was called MAD back when. In this case, they can also perhaps. make a $$ or two. Or monty porcines can fly :)   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 00:47:59 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>& Subject: Re: Intel releases 64bit Xeon- Message-ID: <87vflpessg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   - young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:   = > 	Itanium must get cheaper for adoption.  Fister tells us of A > 	pricing parity with Xeon by 2007.  Intel tells us that Itanium @ > 	will be twice the performance of Xeon.  You can see how Intel? > 	intends to shift folks to Itanium.  I'm sure it will require F > 	a full court press and appropriate seed monies.  Maybe they come upB > 	with development kit and give it away.  I'm sure the $8 billionE > 	in cash they have will be put to use to keep Itanium going.  We've B > 	got to keep an eye on their financials to see the Itanium drag.D > 	So far, all I see is increasing profits, increasing market share,> > 	increasing margins.  Maybe when these numbers start looking > 	like Sun Microsystems:   F Now remind me, who was it stated loudly and repeatedly that the itanic3 would ship with 2-3 times the performance of Alpha?   C Also, the billygoats are bleating that they will support *1* 64 bit 5 windows kit. Any bets on what one will get the nod...    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:29:58 +0000 (UTC) E From: "privacy.at Anonymous Remailer" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> 4 Subject: J F  M e z e i - Frequently Asked Questions1 Message-ID: <c1dns6$2vc0$1@fiasco.xenopsyche.net>   > We have identified the perpetrator and will take legal action.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Feb 2004 13:22:23 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 3 Subject: Re: Mozilla: contact for VMS-specific bugs 3 Message-ID: <N+UiH5teOwp7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <D8idncSH6dgyPN3dRVn-gw@adelphia.com>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes: 1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: I >> If I suspect there is a bug in Mozilla, who is the contact person?  I  G >> know about Bugzilla, but is it worth going through there for things  9 >> which might be specific to the VMS version of Mozilla?  > K > Bugzilla is the place to look it up, and and to either add your comments  2 > to an existing bug, or to file a new bug report. > 4 > It is also the place to file enhancement requests.  C Previous posts here indicated the keepers of Bugzilla insisted that 8 people lower browser security to interact with Bugzilla.   Has they fixed that ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:17:51 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> 3 Subject: Re: Mozilla: contact for VMS-specific bugs 1 Message-ID: <Cf-dnQzafrgPjtzdRVn-vA@adelphia.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:3 > In article <D8idncSH6dgyPN3dRVn-gw@adelphia.com>, E > Previous posts here indicated the keepers of Bugzilla insisted that : > people lower browser security to interact with Bugzilla.  I I am not aware of any such issues.  In looking up one of my old bugs, no  H cookies were requested, and everything seems to work with scripting off.  I Attempting to log in resulted in requests for two per-session cookies to  E be installed.  I declined them, and it appears to have allowed me to   proceed.  G I do not know if it would allow me to post an update.  The next time I  . need to, I will check to see if it that works.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:24:41 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> 3 Subject: Re: Mozilla: contact for VMS-specific bugs 1 Message-ID: <L8WdnXytnJ2nvtzdRVn-sw@adelphia.com>    John E. Malmberg wrote:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > 4 >> In article <D8idncSH6dgyPN3dRVn-gw@adelphia.com>,F >> Previous posts here indicated the keepers of Bugzilla insisted that; >> people lower browser security to interact with Bugzilla.  > I > I do not know if it would allow me to post an update.  The next time I  0 > need to, I will check to see if it that works.  H If you have cookies disabled, it will still allow you to post bugs.  It B will ask for you to log in again several times during the process.  D If you use the "password manager" for Mozilla to cache the bugzilla 2 password, that procedure is a one click operation.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyn   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 07:42:03 -0600B( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>3 Subject: Re: Mozilla: contact for VMS-specific bugss/ Message-ID: <00A2E21F.FCC21C34.3@tachysoft.com>    >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms0 >Subject: Mozilla: contact for VMS-specific bugs, >Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:53:00 +0000 (UTC) >Organization: Multivax C&R   G >If I suspect there is a bug in Mozilla, who is the contact person?  I oE >know about Bugzilla, but is it worth going through there for things  7 >which might be specific to the VMS version of Mozilla?4 >:  N The platform is identified in the bug report.  Once the bug people see that itC is openvms, they will turn it over to the vms guy anyway.  If it is>O vms-specific he will analyze and fix it himself.  If in the generic code he can 1 say so and feed it back into the main bug stream.    WaynecO ===============================================================================>N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   eO ===============================================================================tB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 01:31:18 -0600 (CST)  From: sms@antinode.org  Subject: Re: Power Button on PWS) Message-ID: <04022901311789@antinode.org>t  # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>l  L > It appears to be a momentary switch.  I looked at the wires and I couldn'tF > conclude anything from that ther were 6 with a carbon choke on them.  ?    That's a ferrite core, not carbon, unless yours is peculiar.   G > I tried holding  the switch down, but that didn't work which is why IB$ > concluded that it was a momentary.  I > Not sure why anyone would make a switch like that.  I see no functionalr1 > reason for it, but I am sure there must be one.   0    Ever notice the last of the SHUTDOWN options?  3 Shutdown options (enter as a comma-separated list): H  REMOVE_NODE         Remaining nodes in the cluster should adjust quorum4  CLUSTER_SHUTDOWN    Entire cluster is shutting down:  REBOOT_CHECK        Check existence of basic system filesE  SAVE_FEEDBACK       Save AUTOGEN feedback information from this bootl-  DISABLE_AUTOSTART   Disable autostart queuess<  vvvvvvvvv           vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv<  POWER_OFF           Request console to power-off the system<  ^^^^^^^^^           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  G It works, and it's hard to achieve that with a hard-wired power switch.w  C    On my PWS (old-style, no on-board SCSI, et c.), the power switch C seems, according to me and my trusty Simpson 270, to be a momentaryd, SPDT (Red = NC, Black = Common, White = NO).  A    I did a bit of Googling to learn a bit about a typical ATX (orlI similar) PC power supply, about which, up to now, I've never cared much. k  F    There's an always-on stand-by 5V supply output ("+5VSB") to run theG logic for the power control (manual switch, wake-on-LAN, wake-on-modem, E et c.), and a (TTL) control input ("PS_ON#"), which, when pulled low,t$ causes the other outputs to come on.  E    As both power button switch contacts appear to be used (unlike thel@ simple NO reset button switch), I'd guess that it's being nicelyG debounced, and then used to control a toggle-flip-flop which drives theuE PS_ON# input.  As the console can also switch it off, it might feed at@ set/reset input on the same flip-flop, or it could be a bit more complicated.  A    If the flip-flop were waiting for an appropriate clock edge, aD6 permanently pressed power button would not do the job.  E    It would take a bit of research to puzzle out the details, and I'm E not eager to rip that far into my system just now.  If my guesses aretH correct, I don't see an easy way to modify the current switch to provideF an automatic-on capability.  As it needs to be in the stuff run by theF stand-by power supply, I also don't see how the console firmware could control such a feature.a  A    It would have been fairly easy to build it in, controlled by acE jumper, say, which determines whether a power-on reset pulse (easy to G generate) reset or set the magic flip-flop, but without a lot of pokingID (or a real diagram), it's not obvious to me where to start looking. H (There's a lot of miscellaneous/analog stuff on the riser card.  In easyA sight, there are an NE555 timer and an LM339 quad comparator, for 
 examples.)  H    If the capability was designed in, it should be easy to control (only> knowledge required).  If not, adding it could be pretty tough.  ?    If I had a pair of apparently identical machines which acted9G differently, I'd take a careful look for a suspicious jumper differenceg0 (and then report my findings back to the group).  D    Anyone with a diagram of the riser card is, of course, welcome to contribute.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-orgn    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547|   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:22:45 +0100-3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com>:  Subject: Re: Power Button on PWS: Message-ID: <c1slp2$1mjatk$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  . On 2004-02-29 08:31, "sms@antinode.org" wrote:   > [...]e > H >    There's an always-on stand-by 5V supply output ("+5VSB") to run theI > logic for the power control (manual switch, wake-on-LAN, wake-on-modem, G > et c.), and a (TTL) control input ("PS_ON#"), which, when pulled low,'& > causes the other outputs to come on. > G >    As both power button switch contacts appear to be used (unlike theiB > simple NO reset button switch), I'd guess that it's being nicelyI > debounced, and then used to control a toggle-flip-flop which drives thefG > PS_ON# input.  As the console can also switch it off, it might feed anB > set/reset input on the same flip-flop, or it could be a bit more > complicated. > C >    If the flip-flop were waiting for an appropriate clock edge, ah8 > permanently pressed power button would not do the job.  E There's no need for an explicite "clock" -- most flip-flops are "edge-D triggered", i.e., they change the output state if an(y) input signal5 changes the level from "high" to "low" or vice versa.a  G >    It would take a bit of research to puzzle out the details, and I'm G > not eager to rip that far into my system just now.  If my guesses are0J > correct, I don't see an easy way to modify the current switch to provideH > an automatic-on capability.  As it needs to be in the stuff run by theH > stand-by power supply, I also don't see how the console firmware could > control such a feature.S  G One possibility are console variables (or simply flag bits) stored in ae7 NVRAM and read during the initialization phase perhaps.A   > [...]  > J >    If the capability was designed in, it should be easy to control (only@ > knowledge required).  If not, adding it could be pretty tough.   Indeed.,   > [...]h > F >    Anyone with a diagram of the riser card is, of course, welcome to
 > contribute.e  
 No, sorry.   Michaele   -- t; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.n@ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.o   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:35:46 -0600 (CST)> From: sms@antinode.org  Subject: Re: Power Button on PWS) Message-ID: <04022909354647@antinode.org>t  3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com>e  E > >    If the flip-flop were waiting for an appropriate clock edge, an: > > permanently pressed power button would not do the job.  G > There's no need for an explicite "clock" -- most flip-flops are "edgeeF > triggered", i.e., they change the output state if an(y) input signal7 > changes the level from "high" to "low" or vice versa.h  @    That edge-sensitive input, and there's typically only one perF flip-flop, is called the "clock" input.  I was referring to that clock6 _input_ on the flip-flop, not to a clock _oscillator_.   > > [...]  If my guesses areL > > correct, I don't see an easy way to modify the current switch to provideJ > > an automatic-on capability.  As it needs to be in the stuff run by theJ > > stand-by power supply, I also don't see how the console firmware could > > control such a feature.a > I > One possibility are console variables (or simply flag bits) stored in ar9 > NVRAM and read during the initialization phase perhaps.   G    And what will be reading this NVRAM when the only power available isgH the +5VSB?  Is there a microprocessor on the board somewhere?  The Alpha chip certainly isn't doing it.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org"    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547c   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:24:38 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com>f  Subject: Re: Power Button on PWS: Message-ID: <c1t4aq$1mi7v5$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  . On 2004-02-29 16:35, "sms@antinode.org" wrote:  5 > From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com>l >  > [...]p >  >> > [...]  If my guesses are.M >> > correct, I don't see an easy way to modify the current switch to provide4K >> > an automatic-on capability.  As it needs to be in the stuff run by the K >> > stand-by power supply, I also don't see how the console firmware couldM >> > control such a feature. >>  J >> One possibility are console variables (or simply flag bits) stored in a: >> NVRAM and read during the initialization phase perhaps. > I >    And what will be reading this NVRAM when the only power available issJ > the +5VSB?  Is there a microprocessor on the board somewhere?  The Alpha  > chip certainly isn't doing it.  D I don't know any specifics of the PWS series -- but quoting from the; "AlphaServer DS10 Technical Summary" there is an additionals$ microcontroller on the system board:   | System Control |cE | Close monitoring and control of the system environment and hardwarewG | is done by the remote management console (RMC). This logic allows theiH | system operator to perform console operations remotely using a dial-inH | modem. The RMC logic is implemented using a PIC17C44 microprocessor onG | the system board. The RMC firmware code resides on the microprocessor G | and in flash memory. The RMC is powered by an auxiliary 5V supply, soaF | even when the system is powered off at the control panel the RMC can4 | be accessed—so long as the system is plugged in. |n7 | The RMC provides the following monitoring and controli | functions:8 | - Monitors thermal sensors, the power supply, and fans? | - Detects alert conditions such as excessive temperature, fani8 |   failure, and power supply failure and sends an alert1 | - Performs remote power on/off, halt, and resets9 | - Dials a pager phone number or another computer systemr7 |   to notify the remote operator of an alert condition 7 | - Shuts down the system if any fatal conditions exist  | ? | Upon an environmental event, the reason for failure is stored 7 | in the RMC NVRAM; the data can be retrieved to aid ine | diagnosing the problem.W   Michaelt   -- h; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.b@ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.o5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:20:28 -0500Y' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>a4 Subject: RE: VMS Hobbyist License program abolished?R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2792D7@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message------ > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20s! > Sent: February 27, 2004 9:01 PMr > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm6 > Subject: Re: VMS Hobbyist License program abolished? >=20 >=20A > I'll grant you that Gorham and Marcello, and even Sue, can't=20 ? > be everywhere at all times, watching over the hordes of HP=20n? > employees (carly(tm) included) that purport to doing their=20i > jobs, but come on..... >=20? > Nearly two years into the merger, I think that's plenty of=20iA > time for HP's licencing 'expert' to know what programmes are=20l > in-place and which aren't. >=20@ > If I was that clued-out after two years in my organization,=20A > I'd hate to tell you what would happen to me - especially if=20wA > I were the 'expert', but I assure you it would involve rats,=20c2 > dungeons and 'iron maidens' in some combination. >=20 >=20   John,   F As David pointed out, like IBM, HP is a huge $80B company with a largeB number of Customer facing groups that do their best when trying to answer Customer questions.  H If a single employee makes a mistake, as David just replied, rather thanG getting all sorts of people upset and proclaiming "the sky is falling - G guess what *HP* just stated !!!", the better response is to investigatet$ further and clarify the response.=20  F Yes, it would be nice if all Customer facing groups in an $80B companyH could always provide 100% factually correct answers, but that is not the reality we live in today.-   Regards-  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant3 HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660y Fax: 613-591-4477c Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom-. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:12:01 +0800J, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>4 Subject: Re: VMS Hobbyist License program abolished?- Message-ID: <878yimfdwe.fsf@prep.synonet.com>i  N winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:  D > I think - could be wrong - that you're taking a carelessly writtenC > statement too seriously.  What Madi's saying, I think, is that hea> > (she?)  can't transfer a hobbyist license; they don't have aE > hobbyist license on file, and for that matter, they can't sell/givev? > you a free hobbyist license; you have to get that through the  > hobbyist license channel.   B > You can't transfer free EDU licenses either; you need to get new > free EDU licenses.  C And the HP hp licence used to be fully transferable. Just tell themqC you had the box, and all was happy. In theory. In practice, I don'teB thenk anyone bothered with the notice, so the local offices had no idea what you where on about.d   -- V< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.c@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:20:41 +0100p* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>I Subject: Re: VMS upgrade changed program behavior, what could cause this?d0 Message-ID: <4041BCF9.7E160A58@sture.homeip.net>   John Laird wrote:k > J > On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:00:07 +0100, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> > wrote: > J > >Can you give me an example input to the program please? It compiles and> > >links fine here, but simply loops around the input prompts. > L > That is expected behaviour, Paul.  You will only get output if the rtl has= > started incorrectly rounding down (as Lawrence discovered).  >t   Got that thanks.  e" > A rather nasty little bug, imho. >l   Indeed.w    > --@ > You're growing old when your knees buckle and your belt won't. >   D Another sign being when you barf at reading a simple bit of FORTRAN? :-)t   -- o
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