/ INFO-VAX	Fri, 02 Jan 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 4       Contents:/ Re: A Christmas gift to all haters of Micro$hit / Beijing <-> ShangHai US$50 !! Limited Time ONLY  Bugcheck - PCAPVCM?  Re: Bugcheck - PCAPVCM?  Re: DCL user info ($GETUAI)  Re: GUI aplication on VMS. Re: how to load licenses) Re: Interested in learning about OpenVMS. . Kerberos installation fails with 7.3-2 upgrade# Re: Need Help Porting C code to VMS & Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: PL/I (was: Tom Linden's use of /*) Re: SIMH V3.1 released Re: SIMH V3.1 released Re: Tom Linden's use of /* Re: Tom Linden's use of /* Re: Tom Linden's use of /* Re: Tom Linden's use of /* Re: Tom Linden's use of /* Re: WTD:  VAX  memory sticks RE: WTD:  VAX  memory sticks RE: WTD:  VAX  memory sticks  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 2 Jan 2004 06:28:33 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)8 Subject: Re: A Christmas gift to all haters of Micro$hit= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0401020628.635eb15d@posting.google.com>   ` Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote in message news:<00A2B434.DA28D38E.23@tachysoft.com>... > >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms; > >Subject: Re: A Christmas gift to all haters of Micro$hit # > >From: VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG 3 > >Message-ID: <00A2B3CE.B84C24B4@SendSpamHere.ORG>   > >Organization: TMESIS Software > > D > >OS X!  Proof that a good, intuitive GUI can beat the pants off ofD > >anything RedmondWarez Inc.  Something similar and solid atop of aD > >Linux distro could easily do a better job than Billy and his poor > >excuse of an OS.  > L > I agree.  OS X is just as easy to use as billyware.  I dislike the eunuchsP > command line as much as anybody, but I rarely see it, just an occasional xterm9 > when I telnet connect back into one of the vms systems.  > 9 > I enjoy life more now that I live in a billy free zone.  [...]   9 How about keyboard shortcuts? How does OS-X fare on that?   F Can you do as much without the mouse on OS-X as you can on Windows? If not, what's missing? Thanks.   Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jan 2004 16:10:12 GMT " From: " JetCo " <ice.coco@163.com>8 Subject: Beijing <-> ShangHai US$50 !! Limited Time ONLY3 Message-ID: <bt4554$rbh2089@imsp212.netvigator.com>   B Fly Beijing <-> ShangHai ECON Class only US$50, limited time only!6 Fly Beijing <-> Other major cities from US$50 TOO!!!!!  @ Call now for the cheapest rate ever and have reseveration now!!!  6 Tel: +86 13702519046, +86 13018746994, +86 13715621736   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 13:25:17 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Bugcheck - PCAPVCM?; Message-ID: <3ff5632d.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   H I just had my otherwise reliable AlphaStation 200 (VMS 7.2-2 with UPDATEE 1.0, ACRTL 3.0, DRIVER 3.0, and a few others; DECnet Phase IV; TCP/IP H Services 5.1 ECO5) bugcheck with "PGFIPLHI, Pagefault with IPL too high"B in SYS$LAN_CSMACD+08A38. As the last thing I did was test the PCAPC (downloaded from simh.trailingedge.com) I have a strong feeling the E guilty part is the PCAPVCM execlet. Does it really need VMS 7.3-1 (as B SIMH's 0readme_ethernet.txt suggests)? SIMH and pcaptest.exe (whenE started with at least CMKRNL,PHYS_IO) did find WE0:, and pcaptest did $ gather packets, so it seems to work.   cu,    Martin --  D                     | Martin Vorlaender    |    VMS & WNT programmer-   Smiert Spamionem  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de D                     |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/4                     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 08:28:06 -0700 4 From: Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>  Subject: Re: Bugcheck - PCAPVCM?* Message-ID: <3FF58E06.42CA2578@oracle.com>   Martin Vorlaender wrote: > J > I just had my otherwise reliable AlphaStation 200 (VMS 7.2-2 with UPDATEG > 1.0, ACRTL 3.0, DRIVER 3.0, and a few others; DECnet Phase IV; TCP/IP J > Services 5.1 ECO5) bugcheck with "PGFIPLHI, Pagefault with IPL too high"D > in SYS$LAN_CSMACD+08A38. As the last thing I did was test the PCAPE > (downloaded from simh.trailingedge.com) I have a strong feeling the G > guilty part is the PCAPVCM execlet. Does it really need VMS 7.3-1 (as ) > SIMH's 0readme_ethernet.txt suggests)?    B 	One would have to suspect that the people that write the softwareG would be relatively familier with its limitations.  it might make sense F to follow the instructions, eh?  why not upgrade to vms v7.3-2 and see if it works better there?      > SIMH and pcaptest.exe (when G > started with at least CMKRNL,PHYS_IO) did find WE0:, and pcaptest did & > gather packets, so it seems to work. >  > cu, 
 >   Martin > --F >                     | Martin Vorlaender    |    VMS & WNT programmer/ >   Smiert Spamionem  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F >                     |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/6 >                     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   --  	 - - - - - 0  opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone.  and certainly are not intended in any way to 0  express or represent any opinions or commitment  of oracle corporation.   *  norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 12:53:24 -0500 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>$ Subject: Re: DCL user info ($GETUAI)8 Message-ID: <esbbvvgikacbvkmopej3giami5rv6pqck7@4ax.com>  L On 1 Jan 2004 07:57:46 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  B >Presumably it would follow the security model, but I fear for the@ >model of DCL programmers writing potentially security sensitive> >code.  By the second day they will be writing procedures that9 >turn privileges on and off that they _think_ are secure.   P Folks can always do that regardless of whether or not this lexical existed. As IN pointed out in a previous response, freeware tools already exist which provideO this capability and are subjectr to the "security model". I have made heavy use N of this in DCL procedures I've written for a variety of purposes, all of whichI would have been dramatically more difficult in, say, Fortran or whatever.   O So, while I sympathasize with your rationale I disagree with where you come out L on it. Sometimes DCL is the right programming language for system management
 code, IMNSHO. I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 12:38:13 +0100 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> # Subject: Re: GUI aplication on VMS. 2 Message-ID: <3FF55825.7060706@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>   Andrey Savin wrote: V > Now I'm porting Qt-free-3.2.1 (from Trolltech http://www.trolltech.com) and it work.H Are you going to make the port available for others. I'm very interested in a OpenVMS port of Qt.           Jouk   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 14:50:50 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ! Subject: Re: how to load licenses ' Message-ID: <3FF5773A.4229B8A9@aaa.com>    alphadoc wrote:  >  > Thanks for the replies!!G > The easiest for me to perform the registration was a file transfer in F > terminal mode. This was achieved by doing a text transfer from win2kG > hyperterminal. The licenses all transferred OK, and installed as they J > transferred. All that was needed was a reboot (lazy way out) to make the > licenses operate.   ; Yep, that's becuse the "LIC LOAD" command is "missing" from ; the command files. I have a script that reads the lic files @ as delivered from Montagar and creates a new including "LIC REM"3 of the old licenses and "LIC LOAD" of the new ones.   2 And, no, I can't find that script it right now :-)  	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 14:46:54 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 2 Subject: Re: Interested in learning about OpenVMS.' Message-ID: <3FF5764D.E7170BF4@aaa.com>    > > Vincent wrote: > >  > >> Hi, > >>% > >> I'd like to learn about OpenVMS.   5 Do not forget the "introduction to xxx" parts of most 8 OpenVMS manuals. They are free, never "out of print" and; most of the time up-to-date with the latest VMS versions...   	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jan 2004 04:07:31 -0800 2 From: harri.klemetti@fipow.abb.fi (Harri Klemetti)7 Subject: Kerberos installation fails with 7.3-2 upgrade = Message-ID: <472dc69e.0401020407.4a8345b8@posting.google.com>    Hi,   E I'm trying to upgrade a DS15 from 7.3-1 to 7.3-2, but installation of ? Kerberos fails during upgrade and thus the whole upgrade fails.   ? The installation procedure tells me to perform a manual overlay B installation of Kerberos 2.0-6, but even after having done this asF instructed the upgrade procedure still fails at Kerberos installation.  
 Any ideas?   BR,    Harri    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jan 2004 10:20:37 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) , Subject: Re: Need Help Porting C code to VMS= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0401021020.4954d211@posting.google.com>   o "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in message news:<ekJIb.767$uF6.266578@news1.news.adelphia.net>... H > There is a book with a title similar to "Common Pitfalls in C Coding"   ? Perhaps "C Traps and Pitfalls" by Andrew Koenig, Addison-Wesley ' Publishing Company, ISBN 0-201-17928-8.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 10:30:01 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp 0 Message-ID: <00A2B479.F93B8767@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <b096a4ee.0401012100.706c0d06@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:Y >VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A29FBC.A68CB4AB@SendSpamHere.ORG>... q >> In article <b096a4ee.0312061344.6390b00c@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:  >> {...snip...} E >> >Boy, you are full of insults today. New Yorkers have bravely gone J >> >about their business despite the horrors of 9/11. I worked with peopleA >> >some of whom died in the twin towers. You are very insulting.  >>  H >> Nothing so terrible as the horror I endured '94-'98 at the hands of a >> NYer. > ) >I don't understand this comment. Either:  > G >What does this have to do with your calling New Yorkers "weedy", .OR.    , I'd rather trust a countryman than a townman1 You can judge by his eyes, take a look if you can  He'll smile through his guard  Survival trains hard/ I'd rather trust a man who works with his hands - He looks at you once, you know he understands  Don't need any shield  When you're out in the field    E >OK. I give up. What happened to you that was worse than mass murder, - >and how does that implicate all New Yorkers?    Torture comes to mind.    " >Could you be a little more vague?   No need to be.     >> Wrong!  All law(lie)yers!!! > F >And how does that make them different from many other people? And you  H What was it that Red said in the movie Shawshank Redemption?  That might; help you understand how rediculous your above statement is.   8    RED: You have to be human first. They don't qualify.   G How can you insult the rest of the citizenry of this good earth lumping % the likes of law(lie)ers with people?     G >continue to use that spelling trick as if it actually means something. E >I suppose that COBOL is COOL because you can drop the B and get COOL D >(No offense meant to fans of COBOL -- it's just an example -- COBOLG >may or may not be "cool". But whether it is or not, it's certainly not G >because of this spelling trick. This is only an exmaple. It is easy to ) >malign any name by this oft used trick.)  > G >OK, you most likely just enjoy spelling lawyers that way. It's hard to 1 >read, though. Also, not all liars are lawyers!!!   ! True!  But all lawyers are liars.     G >I think the bottom line is that I have no idea what you're saying. (!)   D Stand here in my shoes (or those of a few others that I wish I couldD name) and then tell me that I have no idea what I am saying.  I prayD that you and the rest of this forum never receive such an education!   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 10:56:01 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp 0 Message-ID: <00A2B47D.9B24C38C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  S In article <00A2B479.F93B8767@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  {...snip...} >>G >>And how does that make them different from many other people? And you  > I >What was it that Red said in the movie Shawshank Redemption?  That might < >help you understand how rediculous your above statement is. > 9 >   RED: You have to be human first. They don't qualify.   > H >How can you insult the rest of the citizenry of this good earth lumping& >the likes of law(lie)ers with people?  @ http://www.law.umaryland.edu/Environment/mels/images/dil-law.gif     --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jan 2004 07:58:20 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) / Subject: Re: PL/I (was: Tom Linden's use of /*) 3 Message-ID: <Uudv7KRH8l6q@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <3FF576B1.B11BD94D@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: . > Hm, actualy from long ago I seem to remember1 > something called "Programming Language One" and  > thought that was "PL/1"...  < No, it turns out to be PL/I, honoring the ancient Romans :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 08:30:40 -0700 4 From: Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> Subject: Re: SIMH V3.1 released * Message-ID: <3FF58EA0.C3F35422@oracle.com>   -----Original Message----- From: Norman Lastovica  * Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 5:00 PM To: bxoxbxsxuxpxnxixkx.oxrxgx  Cc: Norman Lastovica; Subject: simh vax emulator running on iVMS (vms on itanium)   9 Though I doubt I'm the first to report it, this afternoon < I (natively) compiled and linked 3.0-2 (downloaded the wrong9 version, meant to get 3.1) on an HP rx2600 (900MHz/1.5MB) @ running OpenVMS V8.1.  I've not yet booted VMS on the simulator,* but that shouldn't be too tough from here.  / 	fwiw - thought you might find this interesting  	norm lastovica   ; Gibson TNA17:> r DISK$NORMS_OWN:[LASTOVICA.SIMH.BIN]VAX-AXP    VAX simulator V3.0-2 sim> load -r [.vax]ka655.bin sim> bootcpu Unknown command 
 sim> boot cpu      KA655-B V5.3, VMB 2.7 	  1) Dansk $  2) Deutsch (Deutschland/sterreich)  3) Deutsch (Schweiz)   4) English (United Kingdom)"  5) English (United States/Canada)  6) Espaol   7) Franais (Canada)   8) Franais (France/Belgique)  9) Franais (Suisse)  10) Italiano 11) Nederlands	 12) Norsk 
 13) Portugus 	 14) Suomi  15) Svenska   (1..15): 5  Performing normal system tests. @ 40..39..38..37..36..35..34..33..32..31..30..29..28..27..26..25..@ 24..23..22..21..20..19..18..17..16..15..14..13..12..11..10..09.. 08..07..06..05..04..03.. Tests completed. >>> * Simulation stopped, PC: 20043619 (TSTL R2)
 sim>  Exit	 sim> exit  Goodbye  Gibson TNA17:> sho cpu  ) System: GIBSON, HP rx2600  (900MHz/1.5MB)    CPU ownership sets:     Active               0,1     Configure            0,1    CPU state sets:     Potential            0,1     Autostart            0-31    Powered Down         None    Not Present          2-31    Failover             None Gibson TNA17:>       Bob Supnik wrote:  > D > SIMH V3.1 has been released.  The sources and pre-compiled Windows< > executables can be found at http://simh.trailing-edge.com. >  > New in this release:A > - Simulated Ethernet support on Mac/OS, FreeBSD, and Alpha/VMS. @ > - H316 moving head disk, fixed head disk, and magtape support.* > - PDP-8 TD8E and TSC8-75 (ETOS) support.( > - PDP-1 Type 23 parallel drum support.+ > - Eclipse floating point instruction set. 5 > - Instruction history capability in selected CPU's.  >  > Plus numerous bug fixes. > H > In response to user requests, there is now a SIMH users' mailing list.D > It is intended to provide a 'help line' for SIMH users.  It is notG > moderated, but it is monitored by the SIMH developers.  To subscribe, 2 > send an email with 'subscribe' as the subject to > ' > simh-request AT trailing-edge DOT com  >   > (with the usual translations). > 
 > /Bob Supnik    --  	 - - - - - 0  opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone.  and certainly are not intended in any way to 0  express or represent any opinions or commitment  of oracle corporation.   *  norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:28:19 -0500) From: "rob kas" <robnospam@paychoice.com>  Subject: Re: SIMH V3.1 released / Message-ID: <vvb7189h3f4790@corp.supernews.com>   > "> Subject: simh vax emulator running on iVMS (vms on itanium)                    Wow Way Cool !!!!                      Rob      ; > Though I doubt I'm the first to report it, this afternoon > > I (natively) compiled and linked 3.0-2 (downloaded the wrong; > version, meant to get 3.1) on an HP rx2600 (900MHz/1.5MB) B > running OpenVMS V8.1.  I've not yet booted VMS on the simulator,, > but that shouldn't be too tough from here. > 0 > fwiw - thought you might find this interesting > norm lastovica > = > Gibson TNA17:> r DISK$NORMS_OWN:[LASTOVICA.SIMH.BIN]VAX-AXP  >  > VAX simulator V3.0-2 > sim> load -r [.vax]ka655.bin > sim> bootcpu > Unknown command  > sim> boot cpu  >  >  > KA655-B V5.3, VMB 2.7 
 > 1) Dansk% > 2) Deutsch (Deutschland/sterreich)  > 3) Deutsch (Schweiz) > 4) English (United Kingdom) # > 5) English (United States/Canada)  > 6) Espaol > 7) Franais (Canada) > 8) Franais (France/Belgique)  > 9) Franais (Suisse) > 10) Italiano > 11) Nederlands > 12) Norsk  > 13) Portugus  > 14) Suomi 
 > 15) Svenska  > (1..15): 5! > Performing normal system tests. B > 40..39..38..37..36..35..34..33..32..31..30..29..28..27..26..25..B > 24..23..22..21..20..19..18..17..16..15..14..13..12..11..10..09.. > 08..07..06..05..04..03.. > Tests completed. >>>>, > Simulation stopped, PC: 20043619 (TSTL R2) > sim>  Exit > sim> exit 	 > Goodbye  > Gibson TNA17:> sho cpu > + > System: GIBSON, HP rx2600  (900MHz/1.5MB)  >  > CPU ownership sets:  >   Active               0,1 >   Configure            0,1 >  > CPU state sets:  >   Potential            0,1 >   Autostart            0-31  >   Powered Down         None  >   Not Present          2-31  >   Failover             None  > Gibson TNA17:> >  >  >  > Bob Supnik wrote:  >>E >> SIMH V3.1 has been released.  The sources and pre-compiled Windows = >> executables can be found at http://simh.trailing-edge.com.  >> >> New in this release: B >> - Simulated Ethernet support on Mac/OS, FreeBSD, and Alpha/VMS.A >> - H316 moving head disk, fixed head disk, and magtape support. + >> - PDP-8 TD8E and TSC8-75 (ETOS) support. ) >> - PDP-1 Type 23 parallel drum support. , >> - Eclipse floating point instruction set.6 >> - Instruction history capability in selected CPU's. >> >> Plus numerous bug fixes.  >>I >> In response to user requests, there is now a SIMH users' mailing list. E >> It is intended to provide a 'help line' for SIMH users.  It is not H >> moderated, but it is monitored by the SIMH developers.  To subscribe,3 >> send an email with 'subscribe' as the subject to  >>( >> simh-request AT trailing-edge DOT com >>! >> (with the usual translations).  >> >> /Bob Supnik >  > --   > - - - - - 1 > opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone . > and certainly are not intended in any way to1 > express or represent any opinions or commitment  > of oracle corporation. > , > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 14:48:33 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> # Subject: Re: Tom Linden's use of /* ' Message-ID: <3FF576B1.B11BD94D@aaa.com>   , Hm, actualy from long ago I seem to remember/ something called "Programming Language One" and  thought that was "PL/1"...  	 Jan-Erik.    Tom Linden wrote:  > @ > Thank you Didier, and same to you.  I think you meant PL/I :-) >  > < -----Original Message------ > < From: Didier Morandi [mailto:no@spam.com] , > < Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:18 AM > < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' > < Subject: Re: Tom Linden's use of /*  > <  > < ! > < Tom, you understand people... 7 > < Happy New Year and long life to PL/* sorry PL/1 :-)  > <  > < D. > <  > < Tom Linden wrote:  > <  > < > Is that better?  > < >  > <  > < --- * > < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.> > < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).E > < Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003  > <  > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C > Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:51:40 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net># Subject: Re: Tom Linden's use of /* 0 Message-ID: <3FF5AFAC.47491ED4@sture.homeip.net>   Roy Omond wrote: >  > Paul Sture wrote:  >  > > Tom Linden wrote:  > > > = > > > Thanks, I would guess that services swampt that number.  > > > # > > > /* -----Original Message-----  > > I > > Excuse me Tom. I do not wish to be rude, but I find your use of /* to < > > precede quoted lines distinctly uneasy on the eye/brain. > > * > > I don't really know why, but it is so. >  > Easy to understand why :-) >  > JCL on MVS (et al).  >    :-)   # > All the best for the future Paul.  >    Many thanks Roy.     --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:54:55 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net># Subject: Re: Tom Linden's use of /* 0 Message-ID: <3FF5B06F.4D7EE87D@sture.homeip.net>   Tom Linden wrote:  >  > Is that better?    Yes thanks.    >  > <-----Original Message----- ) > <From: Roy Omond [mailto:Roy@Omond.net] + > <Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 4:35 AM  > <To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com& > <Subject: Re: Tom Linden's use of /* > <  > <  > <Paul Sture wrote: > <  > <> Tom Linden wrote: > <> >> > <> > Thanks, I would guess that services swampt that number. > <> >$ > <> > /* -----Original Message----- > <>J > <> Excuse me Tom. I do not wish to be rude, but I find your use of /* to= > <> precede quoted lines distinctly uneasy on the eye/brain.  > <>+ > <> I don't really know why, but it is so.  > <  > <Easy to understand why :-)  > <  > <JCL on MVS (et al). > < $ > <All the best for the future Paul. > <  > <Roy Omond > <Blue Bubble Ltd.  > <  > <---) > <Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. = > <Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). D > <Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 > <  > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C > Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    --     --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:58:28 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net># Subject: Re: Tom Linden's use of /* 0 Message-ID: <3FF5B143.378D4372@sture.homeip.net>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  > . > Hm, actualy from long ago I seem to remember1 > something called "Programming Language One" and  > thought that was "PL/1"... >   H I remember our IBM contact of many years ago being quite adamant that itG should be PL/I (and she actually pronounced it Pee Ell Eye, which bit I  thought was wrong).    > Jan-Erik.  >  > Tom Linden wrote:  > > B > > Thank you Didier, and same to you.  I think you meant PL/I :-) > >   > > < -----Original Message-----/ > > < From: Didier Morandi [mailto:no@spam.com] . > > < Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:18 AM > > < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > > < Subject: Re: Tom Linden's use of /*  > > <  > > < # > > < Tom, you understand people... 9 > > < Happy New Year and long life to PL/* sorry PL/1 :-)  > > <  > > < D. > > <  > > < Tom Linden wrote:  > > <  > > < > Is that better?  > > < >  > > < 	 > > < --- , > > < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.@ > > < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).G > > < Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003  > > <  > > --- * > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).E > > Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    --     --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 12:50:49 -0500 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com># Subject: Re: Tom Linden's use of /* 8 Message-ID: <unbbvvsk2plcmraos5982baeu0ikbsqgr4@4ax.com>  G On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 08:47:22 -0800, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:    >Is that better? >   P Actually, if I get a vote on what I'd prefer you use I vote for the greater thanH sign, i.e. ">". See above. Some newsreader programs (including the one IN personally use!) will automatically highlight different "levels" of quoting inO posts based on counting the number of quote characters at the beginning of each P line. Since the default on most posts is ">", your posts don't display well with my newsreader.   Just my tuppence... I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 07:32:13 GMT ( From: Phaeton   <spameater@spam.invalid>% Subject: Re: WTD:  VAX  memory sticks 7 Message-ID: <189Jb.6378$xm.295107@nasal.pacific.net.au>   9 In comp.sys.dec David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:  > Phaeton wrote: > D >>       Just got a MicroVax 3100-40, but only with 24 MB memory :-(> >>       Does anyone has some memory sticks for this machine ?G >>       I think it takes 80-pin ones. Currently I saw 4 of them in the  >>       (six) slots.  >  > O > The MicroVAX 3100 models 30, 40, 80, 85, 90, 95, 96, and 98 all use the same  Q > memory SIMMs.  These SIMMs were produced in 4 MB and 16 MB versions.  The same  C > memory is used in the VAXstation 4000 models 60, 90, 90A, and 96.   8 	Good to hear. Any source of these sticks ? Ebay maybe ?   S > In the MIcroVAX 3100 models 30, 40, and 80, as well as the VAXstation 4000 model  S > 60 the memory SIMMs can be used in pairs.  In the rest they must be used in sets  P > of 4.  I'm not real sure about the MicroVAX model 85, but since it's a slowed 7 > down version of the model 95, I'm guessing sets of 4.  > Q > I believe your model 40 is limited to 72 MB of memory, with an initial 8 MB on  S > the motherboard.  This system will run quite well on the 24 MB you have.  Memory  M > requirements will depend upon usage, with DECwindows being a bit of a hog.  > > VAX/VMS has a rather small footprint in comparison to Alpha.  C 	Yes, I see 4 x 4 MB sticks in the slots, plus the 8 MB onboard one > 	as you say, that makes 24 MB. True, it runs OK, I have a 1 GB( 	Quantum disk with VAX VMS 7.2-1 on it. B 	I have some other disks, an RZ28 for example, but I still have toC 	figure out the proper SCSI termination, and the ID-s of the disks. ? 	I still would like to have a bit more memory, maybe some 16 MB  	sticks would be ideal. < 	I have a handful of 72-pin ones if someone wants to swap...   O > I've got some of the 4 MB SIMMs I'd part with, but the shipping to Australia  S > might be an issue.  Knowing all the systems that used the memory should help you  P > find some.  A pair of the 16 MB SIMMs would be the best choice for you.  I've B > seen these SIMMs on E-Bay, usually specified as VAX 4000 memory.  D 	Thanks, Dave. What do you mean about the issue of shipping to Au. ?E 	I don't think there is a problem, I have sent stuff from here to the E 	US with no problem. Cost of shipping should be low, as the weight of  	these sticks is light.  							Cheers, Csaba  J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------H   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auJ  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:   %  Harp's Corollary to Estridge's Law : ;   Your "IBM PC-compatible" computer grows more incompatible  	 with every passing moment.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 06:48:07 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> % Subject: RE: WTD:  VAX  memory sticks 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEGOCJAA.tom@kednos.com>    < -----Original Message-----/ < From: Phaeton [mailto:spameater@spam.invalid] + < Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 11:32 PM  < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % < Subject: Re: WTD: VAX memory sticks  <  < ; < In comp.sys.dec David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:  < > Phaeton wrote: < > F < >>       Just got a MicroVax 3100-40, but only with 24 MB memory :-(@ < >>       Does anyone has some memory sticks for this machine ?I < >>       I think it takes 80-pin ones. Currently I saw 4 of them in the  < >>       (six) slots.  < >  < > C < > The MicroVAX 3100 models 30, 40, 80, 85, 90, 95, 96, and 98 all  < use the same> < > memory SIMMs.  These SIMMs were produced in 4 MB and 16 MB < versions.  The same E < > memory is used in the VAXstation 4000 models 60, 90, 90A, and 96.  Are the  < : < 	Good to hear. Any source of these sticks ? Ebay maybe ? < > < > In the MIcroVAX 3100 models 30, 40, and 80, as well as the < VAXstation 4000 model ? < > 60 the memory SIMMs can be used in pairs.  In the rest they  < must be used in setsC < > of 4.  I'm not real sure about the MicroVAX model 85, but since  < it's a slowed 9 < > down version of the model 95, I'm guessing sets of 4.  < > B < > I believe your model 40 is limited to 72 MB of memory, with an < initial 8 MB on B < > the motherboard.  This system will run quite well on the 24 MB < you have.  Memory @ < > requirements will depend upon usage, with DECwindows being a < bit of a hog. @ < > VAX/VMS has a rather small footprint in comparison to Alpha. < E < 	Yes, I see 4 x 4 MB sticks in the slots, plus the 8 MB onboard one @ < 	as you say, that makes 24 MB. True, it runs OK, I have a 1 GB) < 	Quantum disk with VAX VMS 7.2-1 on it. D < 	I have some other disks, an RZ28 for example, but I still have toE < 	figure out the proper SCSI termination, and the ID-s of the disks. A < 	I still would like to have a bit more memory, maybe some 16 MB  < 	sticks would be ideal. > < 	I have a handful of 72-pin ones if someone wants to swap... < C < > I've got some of the 4 MB SIMMs I'd part with, but the shipping  < to Australia= < > might be an issue.  Knowing all the systems that used the  < memory should help youB < > find some.  A pair of the 16 MB SIMMs would be the best choice < for you.  I'veD < > seen these SIMMs on E-Bay, usually specified as VAX 4000 memory. < F < 	Thanks, Dave. What do you mean about the issue of shipping to Au. ?G < 	I don't think there is a problem, I have sent stuff from here to the G < 	US with no problem. Cost of shipping should be low, as the weight of  < 	these sticks is light.  < 							Cheers, Csaba < L <  -------------------------------------------------------------------------J <   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auL <  -------------------------------------------------------------------------= <    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:s < ' <  Harp's Corollary to Estridge's Law :t= <   Your "IBM PC-compatible" computer grows more incompatiblee < 	 with every passing moment. <  < ---c( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C < Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003  <h ---2& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 06:51:23 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> % Subject: RE: WTD:  VAX  memory stickse9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIMEGOCJAA.tom@kednos.com>t   < -----Original Message-----/ < From: Phaeton [mailto:spameater@spam.invalid]-+ < Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 11:32 PM- < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com4% < Subject: Re: WTD: VAX memory sticksh <c <(; < In comp.sys.dec David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:  < > Phaeton wrote: < > F < >>       Just got a MicroVax 3100-40, but only with 24 MB memory :-(@ < >>       Does anyone has some memory sticks for this machine ?I < >>       I think it takes 80-pin ones. Currently I saw 4 of them in thet < >>       (six) slots.i < >  < >:C < > The MicroVAX 3100 models 30, 40, 80, 85, 90, 95, 96, and 98 allp < use the same> < > memory SIMMs.  These SIMMs were produced in 4 MB and 16 MB < versions.  The sameaE < > memory is used in the VAXstation 4000 models 60, 90, 90A, and 96.d  G Are the SIMMs in the Alphastations the same?  I think I have a bunch ofn those. < : < 	Good to hear. Any source of these sticks ? Ebay maybe ? <s> < > In the MIcroVAX 3100 models 30, 40, and 80, as well as the < VAXstation 4000 modele? < > 60 the memory SIMMs can be used in pairs.  In the rest they  < must be used in setsC < > of 4.  I'm not real sure about the MicroVAX model 85, but since. < it's a slowede9 < > down version of the model 95, I'm guessing sets of 4.o < >uB < > I believe your model 40 is limited to 72 MB of memory, with an < initial 8 MB on B < > the motherboard.  This system will run quite well on the 24 MB < you have.  Memorym@ < > requirements will depend upon usage, with DECwindows being a < bit of a hog. @ < > VAX/VMS has a rather small footprint in comparison to Alpha. <jE < 	Yes, I see 4 x 4 MB sticks in the slots, plus the 8 MB onboard one @ < 	as you say, that makes 24 MB. True, it runs OK, I have a 1 GB) < 	Quantum disk with VAX VMS 7.2-1 on it.!D < 	I have some other disks, an RZ28 for example, but I still have toE < 	figure out the proper SCSI termination, and the ID-s of the disks. A < 	I still would like to have a bit more memory, maybe some 16 MBC < 	sticks would be ideal.2> < 	I have a handful of 72-pin ones if someone wants to swap...  > Don't use anything bigger than RZ26 (1GB) for the system drive   <RC < > I've got some of the 4 MB SIMMs I'd part with, but the shippingO < to Australia= < > might be an issue.  Knowing all the systems that used the3 < memory should help youB < > find some.  A pair of the 16 MB SIMMs would be the best choice < for you.  I'veD < > seen these SIMMs on E-Bay, usually specified as VAX 4000 memory. < F < 	Thanks, Dave. What do you mean about the issue of shipping to Au. ?G < 	I don't think there is a problem, I have sent stuff from here to thehG < 	US with no problem. Cost of shipping should be low, as the weight of  < 	these sticks is light.| < 							Cheers, Csaba < L <  -------------------------------------------------------------------------J <   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auL <  -------------------------------------------------------------------------= <    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:o < ' <  Harp's Corollary to Estridge's Law :-= <   Your "IBM PC-compatible" computer grows more incompatible  < 	 with every passing moment. <b < ---a( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C < Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003L <o ---"& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003A   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.004 ************************