/ INFO-VAX	Sat, 03 Jan 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 6       Contents:/ Re: A Christmas gift to all haters of Micro$hit P Re: Decimal Arith in DCL  was(RE: Floating point arithmetic support in         D. Re: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol. RE: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol? Re: influencing the order in which page and swap files are used , Re: number of ethernet adapters in a cluster, RE: number of ethernet adapters in a cluster& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp Re: Tom Linden's use of /*3 Re: Transferring files from VAX to W2K Professional  Re: VMS 5.5-2H4 and TZ87?  Re: WTD:  VAX  memory sticks  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 16:15:44 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>8 Subject: Re: A Christmas gift to all haters of Micro$hit0 Message-ID: <3FF6EAAF.29835440@sture.homeip.net>   Alan E. Feldman wrote: > Z > VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A2B4BD.78B2313E@SendSpamHere.ORG>...r > > In article <b096a4ee.0401020628.635eb15d@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:e > > >Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote in message news:<00A2B434.DA28D38E.23@tachysoft.com>... ! > > >> >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms @ > > >> >Subject: Re: A Christmas gift to all haters of Micro$hit( > > >> >From: VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG8 > > >> >Message-ID: <00A2B3CE.B84C24B4@SendSpamHere.ORG>% > > >> >Organization: TMESIS Software  > > >> >I > > >> >OS X!  Proof that a good, intuitive GUI can beat the pants off of I > > >> >anything RedmondWarez Inc.  Something similar and solid atop of a I > > >> >Linux distro could easily do a better job than Billy and his poor  > > >> >excuse of an OS. > > >>Q > > >> I agree.  OS X is just as easy to use as billyware.  I dislike the eunuchs U > > >> command line as much as anybody, but I rarely see it, just an occasional xterm > > > >> when I telnet connect back into one of the vms systems. > > >>> > > >> I enjoy life more now that I live in a billy free zone.
 > > >[...] > > > > > > >How about keyboard shortcuts? How does OS-X fare on that? > > > K > > >Can you do as much without the mouse on OS-X as you can on Windows? If ! > > >not, what's missing? Thanks.  > >  > > Reboot... reboot... reboot.  > F > First: Now I still hate much about Windows, but the truth is that myF > PC at work running W2K has been up since 2003-10-31. And it wasn't aE > crash that brought it down then. And that is actually very typical.  > F > Second: I'll take that as OS-X not having keyboard shortcuts or very% > few. (Well, I know they have some.)  >   E OS X does have plenty of shortcuts, although personally I tend to use 8 them only when I find myself doing something repetitive.  E > I have a friend who can't use a mouse the way most people do due to H > RSI. What are people like that supposed to do on a Mac if there aren'tD > a reasonable number of keyboard shortcuts? Huh? Why don't you step$ > into *his* shoes and walk a mile?! >   H Having suffered from a swollen hand early last year, I found my PC mouseF at work quite painful to use, and I felt its narrow shape encouraged aH cramped hand position. In contrast, the broader DEC mouse was definitelyD more comfortable and I found the mouse pad on my iBook easier still.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 07:57:20 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> Y Subject: Re: Decimal Arith in DCL  was(RE: Floating point arithmetic support in         D 0 Message-ID: <6YOdneb8FN6sIWuiRVn-gQ@comcast.com>  G Right.  I keep forgetting about that one until the next time I stub my  F toes on it; read an integer from a file, try to do arithmetic with it F and  ZAP, instant gibberish.  I wish they hadn't done it that way but  it's too late to change.   Scrap implicit typing!!    Ken Fairfield wrote:   > Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  >  > [big snip] > ) >> Variables might be explicitly declared  >> $ Integer X >> $ Character Y >> $ Decimal Z/ >> or implicitly declared by the value assigned  >> $ X=1  ! Integer  >> $ Y="1"  ! Character  >> $ Z=1.0   ! Decimal >  > 	 > $ x = 1  > $ y = "2"  > $ write sys$output f$type(x)	 > INTEGER  > $ write sys$output f$type(y)	 > INTEGER  > $  > 8 > I don't think implicit typing, as you've suggested, is9 > compatible with current behaviour...and I wouldn't want  > it changed...  > 
 >     -Ken   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 16:30:00 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>7 Subject: Re: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol 8 Message-ID: <4hrdvvsf3bn97tdrthoq6gmm42totf64go@4ax.com>  H On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:48:54 -0800, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  1 >I am aware of that, but I would like a function.  >   K But functions in DCL are lexical functions.  If you want to learn internals B and develop your own lexical, I think it's safe to say that you'll7 definitely learn some interesting things about OpenVMS.    --- jls 0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:15:05 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 7 Subject: RE: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEIACJAA.tom@kednos.com>    < -----Original Message-----/ < From: jlsue [mailto:jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net] * < Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:30 AM < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 9 < Subject: Re: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol  <  < J < On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:48:54 -0800, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote: < 3 < >I am aware of that, but I would like a function.  < >  < D < But functions in DCL are lexical functions.  If you want to learn  < internals D < and develop your own lexical, I think it's safe to say that you'll9 < definitely learn some interesting things about OpenVMS.   J Got a ptr to a cookbook? No reason why this should be difficult, is there?   < 	 < --- jls 2 < The preceding message was personal opinion only.8 < I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,   < and certainly not my employer./ < (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)  <  < --- ( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C < Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003  <  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:03:12 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)H Subject: Re: influencing the order in which page and swap files are used$ Message-ID: <bt6ljg$1ft$2@online.de>  D In article <bst1e8$j5b$2@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:    J > >I have page and swap files on the system disk and on a different disk. F > >I want to have just "minimal" files on the system disk for the rareE > >cases when it is the only disk connected, and mainly use the other K > >files.  I might move the secondary page and swap files to a solid-state  J > >disk (should improve performance!) and in that case it would make even L > >more sense to use these exclusively and the ones on the system disk only " > >if the others aren't available. > J > A solid-state disk for paging??  If you're that rich, why not simply buy > more RAM?   B Actually I'm not rich, and have bought very little of my hobbyist I equipment.  I picked up a few EZ32-VW disks for free, which I think will  H work in a BA356 box, so why not?  These have 256 MB, which is more than I the physical memory in any of my machines.  The advantages are a) that I  D already have the solid-state disk and b) that I can use it with any < system, whereas if I buy more memory it is tied to that box.  B > >Is there a way to influence which page and swap files are used? > K > Except for PAGEFILE.SYS and SWAPFILE.SYS in [SYSEXE], the installation of M > pagefiles is completely under the control of the system startup procedures. L > See SYS$STARTUP:SYPAGSWPFILES.COM and SYS$SYSTEM:SATELLITE_PAGE.COM (if it > exists).    ) Yes, I install the secondary files there.   N > Yes, you can get rid of the default files -- rename, reboot, delete, in that > order!  F I don't want to get rid of them.  However, I would like the secondary H files to be used by default if they are available, and the files on the  system disk only as a backup.    ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:57:37 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)5 Subject: Re: number of ethernet adapters in a cluster $ Message-ID: <bt6l91$1ft$1@online.de>  H In article <47nIb.11393$Pe2.9297@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:    H > :I see that on VAX there is a system parameter which is the number of & > :ethernet adapters in the cluster...2 > :...There is a lot of traffic on the ethernet... >  >   Please define "a lot".  D As I said, one LAN carries TCPIP, LAT, perhaps DECnet in the future,F SCS, MSCP, i.e. about everything possible.  I see the "collision" LED F light up when a shadow copy takes place, and probably related to this H sometimes there are OPCOM messages about missed packets and errors show  up on the ethernet device.  E >   Two Alpha systems can easily saturate a 10base Ethernet, and most F >   any "recent" VAX with a "recent" NIC, or most any Alpha system canF >   run such an Ethernet or IEEE 802.3 network at the rated throughputD >   of the NIC.   (You do not indicate version or specific platformsF >   or NICs -- I'd not expect much of a problem from a VAX-11/750 withD >   a DEUNA, for instance.  And as usual, I'd encourage applying the> >   current ECO kits and using current OpenVMS versions, etc.)  C VMS 7.3-1 Alpha and 7.3 VAX, all relevant patches.  Ethernet card:  0 whatever was in the VAX 4000 or VAXstation 4000.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:17:28 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 5 Subject: RE: number of ethernet adapters in a cluster R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB1E1105@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply=20 - > [mailto:helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de]=20  > Sent: January 3, 2004 9:58 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 7 > Subject: Re: number of ethernet adapters in a cluster  >=208 > In article <47nIb.11393$Pe2.9297@news.cpqcorp.net>,=20 > hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff > Hoffman) writes:=20  >=20B > > :I see that on VAX there is a system parameter which is the=20 > number of=20( > > :ethernet adapters in the cluster...4 > > :...There is a lot of traffic on the ethernet... > >=20 > >   Please define "a lot". >=20A > As I said, one LAN carries TCPIP, LAT, perhaps DECnet in the=20 B > future, SCS, MSCP, i.e. about everything possible.  I see the=20A > "collision" LED light up when a shadow copy takes place, and=20 @ > probably related to this sometimes there are OPCOM messages=20A > about missed packets and errors show up on the ethernet device.  >=20G > >   Two Alpha systems can easily saturate a 10base Ethernet, and most H > >   any "recent" VAX with a "recent" NIC, or most any Alpha system canH > >   run such an Ethernet or IEEE 802.3 network at the rated throughputF > >   of the NIC.   (You do not indicate version or specific platformsH > >   or NICs -- I'd not expect much of a problem from a VAX-11/750 withF > >   a DEUNA, for instance.  And as usual, I'd encourage applying the@ > >   current ECO kits and using current OpenVMS versions, etc.) >=20G > VMS 7.3-1 Alpha and 7.3 VAX, all relevant patches.  Ethernet card:=20 2 > whatever was in the VAX 4000 or VAXstation 4000. >=20 >=20  	 Phillip -   H As a fyi, for the recent clusters I have been involved with, since 100MbC NICs are extremely cheap these days, I usually recommend setting up % multiple VLANS such as the following:   $ VLAN1: Normal TCPIP, DECnet traffic. VLAN2: Cluster traffic; VLAN3: System, consolemanager, snmp, device management etc.   F By separating the protocols into different VLANS, you can increase theC overall performance (e.g. balance IO over different PCI buses etc), A increase security (VLAN3 access can be set as low as specific MAC H addresses etc) and make it easier to troubleshoot issues. As an example,; a large FTP job will not impact cluster communications etc.   F With the above config a total of 6 phsical ports (3 dual port devices)C is required per server in a redundant, high availability config.=20    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jan 2004 23:30:46 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0401022330.42dbb03c@posting.google.com>   X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A2B4EE.2CF238D4@SendSpamHere.ORG>...p > In article <b096a4ee.0401021506.1036d96f@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:l > >Glenn Everhart <Everhart-nospam@gce.com> wrote in message news:<3ff5aeeb$0$6744$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>... > >[...]: > >> Considering that not only was Bruce's health impacted> > >> but his son's was as well, I think bitterness in the case > >> is well understandable. > > D > >And having your son die by being immersed in fiery jet fuel while3 > >trapped in a falling elevator is somehow better?  > L > Being served a complaint in the waiting room of the Deborah Heart and LungL > Center whilst you're awaiting word on your son's reconstructive open heart > surgery is OK by you?   D No. I don't know the details of your situation, and I am NOT asking,B but I realize that such 4 years can produce much anxiety which canC cause serious health problems. But I cannot comment further without $ more details, which I am NOT asking.   = > My sympathies go out to you for your loss of your son, BTW.   3 Firstly: I did not lose a son. I don't have a son.    = Sorry, I was giving a hypothetical situation, but only partly B hypothetical. I know two people who died in the towers this way. IF don't know the details except that they were found in an elevator car.D But these people may have had living parents, and as such lost theirE sons. I know being screwed by lawyer(s) is terrible, but losing loved C ones is pretty bad. And many people did on 9/11. And I think losing D your kid is especially painful. I think of my nieces and think aboutE how devastated I'd be if one of them were killed. If you think that's < comparable to 4 yrs. of harrassment by lawyers, fine. I feel differently.  B And what about the juries? Do they not bear any responsibility for9 this state of affairs? OK, some trials don't have juries.   F I apologize for my misleading post. While I did not intend to mislead,F I should have been more clear. But there were many who *did* lose sonsE and daughters, so the point remains. Would you prefer losing your son C in a fiery jet fuel-filled elevator car to being sued? No, I didn't E lose any relatives, but many did. A very young playmate of my nieces' ( lost her mother. Very sad. And for what?  B I'll give you that some lawyers are despicable, but many aren't. ID worked in a law dept. once and they were fine people. And despicableF and lying are not equivalent, though one may involve the other. If youA continue to insist that all lawyers are liars, fine. I don't care  anymore.  F I hope you don't continue to think badly of all New Yorkers. There areB good and bad NYers. And I guarantee you'd be surprised how many ofE them are good today! For example, not a single arrest in Times Square E this New Year's! And New York is the country's safest large city. How C about them apples?! If you still hate all New Yorkers (and I see no - reason why you should), then stay out of NYC.    Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jan 2004 23:47:18 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp < Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0401022347.75ce022@posting.google.com>  X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A2B479.F93B8767@SendSpamHere.ORG>...p > In article <b096a4ee.0401012100.706c0d06@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:[ > >VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A29FBC.A68CB4AB@SendSpamHere.ORG>... s > >> In article <b096a4ee.0312061344.6390b00c@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:  > >> {...snip...}  [...] I > >What does this have to do with your calling New Yorkers "weedy", .OR.   > . > I'd rather trust a countryman than a townman3 > You can judge by his eyes, take a look if you can  > He'll smile through his guard  > Survival trains hard1 > I'd rather trust a man who works with his hands / > He looks at you once, you know he understands  > Don't need any shield  > When you're out in the field  E Wyoming gets 7 times per capita in homeland security funding than NYC B does. Now where do you think the next attack is more likely to be?  E The Urban states send far more dollars to the Federal govt. than they D receive back in services. The opposite is true for the Rural states.   So who's ripping off whom?   [...]    Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:12:35 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp ) Message-ID: <3FF6A368.48512610@istop.com>    "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:G > Wyoming gets 7 times per capita in homeland security funding than NYC D > does. Now where do you think the next attack is more likely to be?  M Foreign terrorists do not need to attack as long as the current government in L washington continues their work of spreading fear and terror through the USAI media, continues to scare and inconvenience airline passengers,  delay or F destroy incoming mail. Pictures on canadian web sites about news yearsG cvelebrations showed Times Square with  military guard with machine gun L looking at civilians. How can you celebrate with machine gun toting militaryK guy ? Or have americans truly gotten to a point where they find such scenes 
 comforting ?    J Ask yourself this: if that British Airways had potential terrorists with aD bomb, why would they keep passengers emprisoned in the landed jet atN Washington for 3 hours ?  Under normal circumstances, the second you suspect aK bomb, you evacuate the plane through chutes. This could only have been a PR 0 ploy. (same with the Air France cancellations).   K Maybe they are really stupid. Maybe they have some sort of agenda and those M artificial flight cancellations have a higher purpose. However, they coincide L with the start of extorsion of private data from european airlines for transN atlantic flights, and probably the implementation of some name lookup softwareI that goes through those tens of thousands of reservations to find a name. F Problem is that they treat any name match as a real mcCoy and then lawK enforcement act as if they had credible evidence of a specific threath, and N when all is said and done, the pax with the offending name turns out to be a 5
 year old kid.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:39:43 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp 0 Message-ID: <00A2B555.42BDA4D4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  V In article <3FF6A368.48512610@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >"Alan E. Feldman" wrote: H >> Wyoming gets 7 times per capita in homeland security funding than NYCE >> does. Now where do you think the next attack is more likely to be?  > N >Foreign terrorists do not need to attack as long as the current government inM >washington continues their work of spreading fear and terror through the USA J >media, continues to scare and inconvenience airline passengers,  delay orG >destroy incoming mail. Pictures on canadian web sites about news years H >cvelebrations showed Times Square with  military guard with machine gunM >looking at civilians. How can you celebrate with machine gun toting military L >guy ? Or have americans truly gotten to a point where they find such scenes >comforting ?  > K >Ask yourself this: if that British Airways had potential terrorists with a E >bomb, why would they keep passengers emprisoned in the landed jet at O >Washington for 3 hours ?  Under normal circumstances, the second you suspect a L >bomb, you evacuate the plane through chutes. This could only have been a PR1 >ploy. (same with the Air France cancellations).   > L >Maybe they are really stupid. Maybe they have some sort of agenda and thoseN >artificial flight cancellations have a higher purpose. However, they coincideM >with the start of extorsion of private data from european airlines for trans O >atlantic flights, and probably the implementation of some name lookup software J >that goes through those tens of thousands of reservations to find a name.G >Problem is that they treat any name match as a real mcCoy and then law L >enforcement act as if they had credible evidence of a specific threath, andO >when all is said and done, the pax with the offending name turns out to be a 5  >year old kid.  9 Reeks of conspiracy like that of a bad "X Files" episode.   2 I don't trust our government; they don't trust us. --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:03:50 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp 0 Message-ID: <00A2B558.A0F22FA0@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <b096a4ee.0401022330.42dbb03c@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: {...spin...}E >No. I don't know the details of your situation, and I am NOT asking, C >but I realize that such 4 years can produce much anxiety which can D >cause serious health problems. But I cannot comment further without% >more details, which I am NOT asking.   H No you don't know but you keep trivializing it as if it is somehow less G horrific that another calamity you haven't witnessed first hand either.     F >how devastated I'd be if one of them were killed. If you think that's= >comparable to 4 yrs. of harrassment by lawyers, fine. I feel 
 >differently.   A You're simply naive of the evil powers law(lie)yers possess.  The B snarling, money-worshiping, process abusing law(lie)yer learned ofB my brother's death.  He swore out a warrant for my arrest if I didC not appear in his office to return a worthless product quick refer- B ence card (claimed to be secret proprietary company information --C so secret in fact that it can now be downloaded from a web site) on E the day of my brother's funeral.  So, instead of being at my mother's D side on that day, I was looking at the face of a vile lying theiving
 schmuck.      C >And what about the juries? Do they not bear any responsibility for : >this state of affairs? OK, some trials don't have juries.  # Yeah, right... blame the juries...    D Juries are tampered with everyday... by the law(lie)yers involved inB the case.  A jury of one's peers is bullshit.  In my case, my juryE would have been the likes of people such as those here -- my peers -- E that know computers, VMS, VAX and Alpha, and what it would take to do D a port.  Not to be.  The law(lie)yers want to populate the jury withF a group of half wits and morons that understand technical issues about0 as well as the cross dresser behind the bench.      C >I'll give you that some lawyers are despicable, but many aren't. I   D ...all law(lie)yers.  As long as the supreme tenet of their religionE is that greed is good, they're all tainted.  Money is the root of all & evil so says the old biblical proverb.    G >I hope you don't continue to think badly of all New Yorkers. There are C >good and bad NYers. And I guarantee you'd be surprised how many of   E Not the ones that moved into *MY* neighborhood.  Last year, whilst on F my yearly pilgrimage to see Marillion, one claimed that my van clippedE their car.  Wonderful to return home to three tickets, a missed court E date, $1500 in more (il)legal fees and... in the end, a $100 fine for F not being there.  A tough nut to crack when your in England but the NY0 neighbor swears that you were driving the van.     --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 15:43:19 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net># Subject: Re: Tom Linden's use of /* 0 Message-ID: <3FF6E317.4DDEA3C3@sture.homeip.net>   Rich Alderson wrote: > . > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: >  > > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  > O > >> Hm, actualy from long ago I seem to remember something called "Programming 1 > >> Language One" and thought that was "PL/1"...  > L > > I remember our IBM contact of many years ago being quite adamant that itK > > should be PL/I (and she actually pronounced it Pee Ell Eye, which bit I  > > thought was wrong).  > P > Your IBM contact was clearly younger than I, or at least got into the businessN > much later. I first learned PL/1 (with a numeric, EBCDIC 0xF1) in 1969 whileP > still in high school; by the time I was working for the College of Administra-Q > tive Science Data Center at Ohio State in 1974, it had changed to PL/I with the $ > Optimizing and Checkout compilers. >   , I'd guess younger then. This was circa 1980.  < > Sorry, but that was all long before the VAX was a gleam... > R > (And the IBMer was probably just making sure you knew which character she meant. > At least, I hope so.)   F At the time I put it down to the IBM culture of changing our voculary.   "It isn't a disk; it's a DASD." " "It isn't a file; it's a dataset." And on and on... :-)    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 16:21:11 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>< Subject: Re: Transferring files from VAX to W2K Professional0 Message-ID: <3FF6EBF7.1A168F79@sture.homeip.net>   Shiva MahaDeva wrote:  > O > In my job Im trying transfer files from VAX to W2K Professional , but when I  > issue: >  $ FTP smw2k335  > I get the message:- >  %FTP-E-NETERR, I/O error on network device 6 > -SYSTEM-F-REJECT, connect to network object rejected > I > When I issue FTP from W2K to VAX, connection is established, like this:  >  >ftp VAX1 >  connected to VAX1+ >  220 VAX1 FTP server (version 3.3) ready.  >  User (VAX1:((none)):  > @ > What could I make to transfer files from VAX to my W2K server? > Thanks in advance.  H Are you sure that your W2K system even has an FTP server? I know that NT/ 4.0 didn't, unless you added a third party one.       --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:38:18 GMT 0 From: "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@example.com>" Subject: Re: VMS 5.5-2H4 and TZ87?7 Message-ID: <urtJb.15829$R_4.7319@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>   0 "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote in message. news:KLmIb.11392$Oi2.10433@news.cpqcorp.net...? > In article <ec25d2bf.0312300305.1e917ebc@posting.google.com>, 3 matthew.finbow@btinternet.com (Matt Finbow) writes: H > :I'm helping to look after a VMS 5.5-2H4 cluster and we want to switchE > :from using DAT for backups to DLT, I'm curious to know whether the G > :TZ87 or possibly even the TZ88 works fully on VMS 5.5-2H4, including  > :standalone backup...  > ..H > :The manual for the TZ877 loader (internal TZ87) lists the restrictionG > :for 5.5-2 as no standalone backup (doesn't mention 5.5-2H4 however).  > H >   V5.5-2H4 is a proper superset of V5.5-2, largely adding new hardware8 >   support for then-new members of the VAX 4000 series. > H > :The TZ86 is listed in the 5.5-2 SPD, but it would be easier for us if% > :we could use CompactTapeIII tapes.  > H >   The availability of the older DLT media is certainly becoming rarer. > ? > :So to summarize, can we just switch to a TZ87 and still have  > :standalone backup? * > :Can we use TZ88 drives in the same way? > E >   IIRC, the root problem here probably involves the creation of the H >   standalone BACKUP root on the media -- if you have a standalone rootJ >   on a disk (strongly recommended over tape-based bootstraps regardless,H >   as booting the standalone root off disk is significantly faster thanJ >   booting off of tape) or another bootable tape device then you *should*J >   be able to use most any SCSI tape as the output or as the input of theK >   standalone BACKUP operation.   (Even if you can't directly build a root  >   on the particular tape.)  I I can't say I've tried restoring from standalone backup on 5.5-2H4, but I E did certainly did conventional backups and restores to our TZ87-based @ autoloader. I think it's called a TZ877. Compression worked too.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:49:22 GMT ( From: Phaeton   <spameater@spam.invalid>% Subject: Re: WTD:  VAX  memory sticks 7 Message-ID: <mTyJb.6451$xm.300472@nasal.pacific.net.au>   " Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:E > < > The MicroVAX 3100 models 30, 40, 80, 85, 90, 95, 96, and 98 all  > < use the same@ > < > memory SIMMs.  These SIMMs were produced in 4 MB and 16 MB > < versions.  The same G > < > memory is used in the VAXstation 4000 models 60, 90, 90A, and 96.  > I > Are the SIMMs in the Alphastations the same?  I think I have a bunch of  > those.  D 	Don't know, but I doubt. Tha Alphas are newer by quite a few years.  L > <       Yes, I see 4 x 4 MB sticks in the slots, plus the 8 MB onboard oneG > <       as you say, that makes 24 MB. True, it runs OK, I have a 1 GB 0 > <       Quantum disk with VAX VMS 7.2-1 on it.K > <       I have some other disks, an RZ28 for example, but I still have to L > <       figure out the proper SCSI termination, and the ID-s of the disks.H > <       I still would like to have a bit more memory, maybe some 16 MB  > <       sticks would be ideal.E > <       I have a handful of 72-pin ones if someone wants to swap...  > @ > Don't use anything bigger than RZ26 (1GB) for the system drive  A 	I am aware of that; I have a VAXstation 3100 as well. I will try > 	to use the bigger disks as data disks ( although the space is% 	cramped inside this MVAX 3100 box. )    							Cheers,  Csaba   J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------H   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auJ  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.006 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      )    )    )    Ý)    ĝ)    ŝ)    Ɲ)    ǝ)    ȝ)    ɝ)    ʝ)    ˝)    ̝)    ͝)    Ν)    ϝ)    Н)    ѝ)    ҝ)    ӝ)    ԝ)    ՝)    ֝)    ם)    ؝)    ٝ)    ڝ)    ۝)    ܝ)    ݝ)    ޝ)    ߝ)    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    )    