/ INFO-VAX	Mon, 05 Jan 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 9       Contents:/ Re: A Christmas gift to all haters of Micro$hit  Re: GUI aplication on VMS.. RE: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol, Re: number of ethernet adapters in a cluster, RE: number of ethernet adapters in a cluster# Re: Peeking in to the serial buffer # Re: Peeking in to the serial buffer # Re: Peeking in to the serial buffer & Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp& Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp Re: tcpip$config question  Re: tcpip$config question  Toasted AS2100 ECU floppy - VMS # RE: Toasted AS2100 ECU floppy - VMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 02:37:56 GMT > From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>8 Subject: Re: A Christmas gift to all haters of Micro$hit< Message-ID: <864Kb.4800$GK4.3900@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  	 <snipage>  > E > And in what way is MS different?  I used to get frequent calls from D > my father asking me to come down and make his computer work again.C > I still get calls from my daughter and the various places she has F > worked always consider her to be the local computer whiz. (Just thisC > past week a friend asked her for help installing the software for H > a digital camera she got as an early Christmas gift.  After installingF > the software the machine, running XP, went into a continuous loop ofE > boot-reset-boot-reset. I've never seen a Unix system do that.)  Oh, E > but MS offers support, you say.  Now, where did I leave that credit 	 > card???  > H > The masses can't deal with MS any better than they can deal with Unix.E > As long as it works out of the box (and commercial distributions of F > Linux do) they are both just as good.  When things go wrong, they itG > is debateable which one is worse, but I know which one I would rather H > try to fix. Incidently, the solution to the problem I mnentioned aboveC > turned out to be a complete reinstall of XP and all applications. F > Luckily, my daughter had set her up and got her inthe habit of doingF > backups of all data to removable media so no business data was lost.7 > Do you think the same would be true of most MS users?  >  > bill >    Bill,   @ My XP box did that and the fix was a bit easier than a complete I reinstall -- and you don't actually need to load anything to get it into  I the boot-reset-reboot mode....we would go into the office in the morning  G or when we got off work and it would look fine, but the keyboard would  C be locked up so we would do a hard reboot.  That is when the cycle  C started... What I did was to get it into SAFE MODE and do a system  E restore.   This restores your system back to a known good state at a  C system checkpoint.  It is under the system admin tools menu -- and  D sometimes would need to go back 2 or 3 checkpoints until it started C working again...  The things you do when you forgot to do the last  
 backup.... :)   8 I had to do this at least 4 or 5 times last year (2003).   Michael Austin.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2004 21:20:18 -0800 ' From: avs@nikom.tagil.ru (Andrey Savin) # Subject: Re: GUI aplication on VMS. = Message-ID: <96faaf36.0401042120.3493a443@posting.google.com>   a JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote in message news:<3FF55825.7060706@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>...  > Andrey Savin wrote: X > > Now I'm porting Qt-free-3.2.1 (from Trolltech http://www.trolltech.com) and it work.J > Are you going to make the port available for others. I'm very interested > in a OpenVMS port of Qt. >  >         Jouk  D Yes. It will available with the GPL licence (native from "Qt-free").   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2004 13:08:34 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 7 Subject: RE: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol 3 Message-ID: <l61+IzRyLDtz@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEEIKCJAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   K > That is all very interesting, I know how to set the value of a dcl symbol ? > but I would like to do it as a user defined lexical function.   9 DCL has no such thing as a user defined lexical function.   0 Perhaps you need an alternate CLI, like BASH :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:28:01 +0000 ) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> 5 Subject: Re: number of ethernet adapters in a cluster 9 Message-ID: <bta7i1$51v5c$1@ID-207001.news.uni-berlin.de>    David J. Dachtera wrote: > "Main, Kerry" wrote:  J >>As a fyi, for the recent clusters I have been involved with, since 100MbE >>NICs are extremely cheap these days, I usually recommend setting up ' >>multiple VLANS such as the following:  >>& >>VLAN1: Normal TCPIP, DECnet traffic. >>VLAN2: Cluster traffic= >>VLAN3: System, consolemanager, snmp, device management etc.  >>H >>By separating the protocols into different VLANS, you can increase theE >>overall performance (e.g. balance IO over different PCI buses etc), C >>increase security (VLAN3 access can be set as low as specific MAC J >>addresses etc) and make it easier to troubleshoot issues. As an example,= >>a large FTP job will not impact cluster communications etc.  >>H >>With the above config a total of 6 phsical ports (3 dual port devices)B >>is required per server in a redundant, high availability config. >  > H > ...which, of course, requires multiple host interfaces (otherwise thatH > becomes the bottleneck) which may or may not be possible on some smallG > (Micro)VAXes. Dunno 'bout SIMH/Charon-VAX. Also, not sure which small  > (MIcro)VAXes provided 100Bx. >   D And it also requires either a separate physical LAN for each of the A three interfaces (or even six!) which means more hub/switch port  F availability, indeed probably separate hub/switches for each physical G LAN. Or it requires switches and routers that support VLAN technology.  0 I'm not sure if Phillip's network is up to that!   Tony.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 18:40:06 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> 5 Subject: RE: number of ethernet adapters in a cluster R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB1E1118@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----5 > From: Tony Arnold [mailto:tony.arnold@man.ac.uk]=20  > Sent: January 4, 2004 6:28 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 7 > Subject: Re: number of ethernet adapters in a cluster  >=20 >=20 >=20 > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > "Main, Kerry" wrote: >=20I > >>As a fyi, for the recent clusters I have been involved with, since=20 ; > >>100Mb NICs are extremely cheap these days, I usually=20  > recommend setting=20, > >>up multiple VLANS such as the following: > >>( > >>VLAN1: Normal TCPIP, DECnet traffic. > >>VLAN2: Cluster traffic? > >>VLAN3: System, consolemanager, snmp, device management etc.  > >>@ > >>By separating the protocols into different VLANS, you can=20 > increase the=20 J > >>overall performance (e.g. balance IO over different PCI buses etc),=20H > >>increase security (VLAN3 access can be set as low as specific MAC=20F > >>addresses etc) and make it easier to troubleshoot issues. As an=20H > >>example, a large FTP job will not impact cluster communications etc. > >>? > >>With the above config a total of 6 phsical ports (3 dual=20  > port devices)=20D > >>is required per server in a redundant, high availability config. > >=20 > >=20= > > ...which, of course, requires multiple host interfaces=20  > (otherwise that=20B > > becomes the bottleneck) which may or may not be possible on=20 > some small=20 @ > > (Micro)VAXes. Dunno 'bout SIMH/Charon-VAX. Also, not sure=20 > which small=20  > > (MIcro)VAXes provided 100Bx. > >=20 >=20A > And it also requires either a separate physical LAN for each=20 < > of the three interfaces (or even six!) which means more=20; > hub/switch port availability, indeed probably separate=20 @ > hub/switches for each physical LAN. Or it requires switches=20. > and routers that support VLAN technology.=202 > I'm not sure if Phillip's network is up to that! >=20 > Tony.  >=20   Tony,   D As I recall, most network vendor switches support VLAN technologies.G This is not something that is new in the network world. Its been around  for some time.  H Assuming your switches support VLANs, all you need is the extra NICs andH slots to support them. VLANs are software setup configs on the switches,B so the cables from the NIC's can plug directly into just about anyD available switch port that is free and capable of handling the speed etc.=20   D You can also set this up for only your mission critical servers thatA require the additional availability and scalability enhancements.   F Also, remember dual (and quad?) port NIC's are available as well. WithF dual port NIC's (and servers that support these additional NIC's), youA simply setup the VLAN backup port on the opposite NIC that is the  primary.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 18:56:22 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: Re: Peeking in to the serial buffer0 Message-ID: <00A2B653.0B2E3EF5@SendSpamHere.ORG>  U In article <3FF84BE5.114ED996@hp.com>, Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com> writes:  {...snip...} >Forrest Kenney : >OpenVMS terminal driver historian and sometime maintainer   ROTFLOL!   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 19:01:23 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: Re: Peeking in to the serial buffer0 Message-ID: <00A2B653.BDF8C40D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <brk9tb.bfb.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local>, Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net> writes: >Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > J >> Yes, there is!   It's been about fifteen years since I last used it andC >> I don't recall the details but it's documented.  ISTR a function F >> modifier for the $QIO call.   Instead of reading one character at aH >> time, I was able to see  how many characters were available and  readL >> that many.   The busier the system was, the more efficiently my code ran. >>  8 >> If anybody still has a copy of HOST32, it's in there. >>   >  >Hi Dragon!  > L >The function you're thinking of is the "how much data is in the type-ahead J >buffer" -- that is, how much data has the terminal driver buffered right F >now.  Unfortunately, what Stuart N. is looking for is the ability to: > B >1. look to see if there is at least 2 bytes of data in the bufferI >2. read the second byte of the buffered data (without removing the data  , >from the buffer), to determine message sizeC >3. post a read of the size from above to gather the entire message  > , >Unfortunately, step 2 above is the problem.  D Such an I/O request exists in TCP/IP but not in the terminal driver.B Probably the original posters is familiar with the TCP/IP I/O.  IfB one is two I/Os anyway, there's very little lost in simply readingA only the first two bytes and a subsequent read for the remainder.    --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 16:00:07 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>, Subject: Re: Peeking in to the serial buffer) Message-ID: <3FF87ED6.F49FBA92@istop.com>   Q Forrest Kenney,  OpenVMS terminal driver historian and sometime maintainer wrote:  > have talked about IO$M_TIMEDH > to time the I/O.  What is poorly understood is that the timeout is not > time from when the read was 5 > started but it a time from last character received.   H Mr Kenney, if you were a female, I'd send you big kisses for the timeoutK functionality of the terminal driver interface. This is one of the smartest 2 features allowing really clean programming on VMS.  N Do you know offhand why this was not implemented in the TCPIP QIO interface ? H (even if the timeout logic would have been slightly different due to the packet nature of TCP).  N Also, in the terminal driver, If I have DMA enabled on the terminal port, doesK each character received  still generate an interrupt so that the driver can I update its timeout ? Is there a difference in performance if you enable a  timer or not ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 18:54:40 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp 0 Message-ID: <00A2B652.CDCE9C76@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <b096a4ee.0401040843.467856d2@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:p >"Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> wrote in message news:<DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-u8wCKFihHmmi@localhost>...D >> On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 06:04:18 UTC, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E.  >> Feldman) wrote: >>  7 >> <Snipped stuff about the US legal profession/system>  >>    L >> > > >That's the love of money. Big difference. Pink Floyd makes this sameN >> > > >mistake in their song "Money" on Dark Side of the Moon: Money, so theyK >> > > >say/Is the root of all evil today/But if you ask for a rise it's no L >> > > >surprise that they're giving none away. (Still a great album for itsM >> > > >music, but that particular quoted part of the lyrics contains bizarre M >> > > >illogic.) And what does the bible have to do with any of this anyway?  >> > >  B >> > > There's not illogic on DSotM.  Brilliant commentary is all. >> >  5 >> > They got the quote wrong. How is that brilliant?  >>  I >> That's what the 'so they say bit' means. It's there to show there is a F >> general belief (they) that money is the root of all evil. It's not I >> illogical. Especially to those who lived in the UK at the time it was  
 >> penned. > : >Ah, so the lyrics are actually making my point! OK. Cool.   Just the opposite.   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jan 2004 17:41:30 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)/ Subject: Re: Pictures from the OpenVMS bootcamp = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0401041741.43bd02ad@posting.google.com>   X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A2B652.CDCE9C76@SendSpamHere.ORG>...p > In article <b096a4ee.0401040843.467856d2@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:r > >"Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> wrote in message news:<DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-u8wCKFihHmmi@localhost>...F > >> On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 06:04:18 UTC, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E.  > >> Feldman) wrote: > >>  9 > >> <Snipped stuff about the US legal profession/system>  > >>    N > >> > > >That's the love of money. Big difference. Pink Floyd makes this sameP > >> > > >mistake in their song "Money" on Dark Side of the Moon: Money, so theyM > >> > > >say/Is the root of all evil today/But if you ask for a rise it's no N > >> > > >surprise that they're giving none away. (Still a great album for itsO > >> > > >music, but that particular quoted part of the lyrics contains bizarre O > >> > > >illogic.) And what does the bible have to do with any of this anyway? 	 > >> > >  D > >> > > There's not illogic on DSotM.  Brilliant commentary is all. > >> >  7 > >> > They got the quote wrong. How is that brilliant?  > >>  K > >> That's what the 'so they say bit' means. It's there to show there is a H > >> general belief (they) that money is the root of all evil. It's not K > >> illogical. Especially to those who lived in the UK at the time it was   > >> penned. > > < > >Ah, so the lyrics are actually making my point! OK. Cool. >  > Just the opposite.   Explain.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 20:10:37 +0100+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> " Subject: Re: tcpip$config question9 Message-ID: <bt9oma$4gqf2$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   0 "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> schreef in bericht3 news:NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOEIKCJAA.tom@kednos.com... ; > I am playing with a VAX emulator running 7.3 under Linux. < > In trying to change the IP's, I used a different host nameD > and it refuses to let me change saying that it is already assigned) > to the other name.  How do I remove it?  > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C > Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003  > I Assuming that you want to change the name of the simhVAX and that you run & TCPIP services for VMS, IIRC you must: - stop the TCPIP stack= - rerun the basic configuration module (# 1 in the main menu) ) Or did I miss the point of your question?    Hans   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 20:05:11 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> " Subject: Re: tcpip$config question8 Message-ID: <Xl_Jb.48902$fq1.1126@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>    TCPIP SET NOHOST XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX  K This will clear out xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx from your hosts table.  Then you should < be able to  use @TCPIP$CONFIG to re-use the same IP address.  , Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOEIKCJAA.tom@kednos.com... ; > I am playing with a VAX emulator running 7.3 under Linux. < > In trying to change the IP's, I used a different host nameD > and it refuses to let me change saying that it is already assigned) > to the other name.  How do I remove it?  > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C > Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 02:24:52 GMT > From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>( Subject: Toasted AS2100 ECU floppy - VMS< Message-ID: <UV3Kb.4797$GD4.3987@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>  E Does anyone have one of these they can zip up and email to me??  The  5 address edits should be fairly easy to figure out....   > I lost the I/O controller in one of my 2100's (part number is I 50-23147-01, SCSI / Network combo card) [failed I/O_00 0004 error code].  F    Now, the system says to re-run the ECU disk, but the one I have is * corrupt... starts to boot, then crashes...  D I am also looking for some REALLLLYYY CHEAP RZ28M-VW or RZ29 (Green I Brick) drives... I just used the last of my spares. It is really hard to  I   justify buying 5+ year old USED disk drives and still paying more than  : a 80GB drive for a 2 or 4GB drive for a "hobbyist" system.     Michael Austin   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 18:55:57 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> , Subject: RE: Toasted AS2100 ECU floppy - VMS9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIMEJACJAA.tom@kednos.com>    < -----Original Message-----G < From: Michael Austin [mailto:maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com] ( < Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 6:25 PM < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com * < Subject: Toasted AS2100 ECU floppy - VMS <  <  < F < Does anyone have one of these they can zip up and email to me??  The7 < address edits should be fairly easy to figure out....  < ? < I lost the I/O controller in one of my 2100's (part number is J < 50-23147-01, SCSI / Network combo card) [failed I/O_00 0004 error code].G <    Now, the system says to re-run the ECU disk, but the one I have is , < corrupt... starts to boot, then crashes... < E < I am also looking for some REALLLLYYY CHEAP RZ28M-VW or RZ29 (Green J < Brick) drives... I just used the last of my spares. It is really hard toJ <   justify buying 5+ year old USED disk drives and still paying more than< < a 80GB drive for a 2 or 4GB drive for a "hobbyist" system.  L I have a bunch of RZ1C's and also RZ1DF's which are ~4.5GB and 9.3GB , resp. <  <  < Michael Austin <  <  <  <  <  <  < --- ( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C < Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003  <  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.009 ************************