0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 05 Jan 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 10      Contents: change account password  Re: change account password  Re: change account password  Re: change account password  Re: change account password  Re: Christmas Special  CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX Re: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX Re: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX Re: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOXC Re: Decimal Arith in DCL  was(RE: Floating point arithmetic support , Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL! Re: Freeware download corrupt (?) ! Re: Freeware download corrupt (?) 1 Happy New Year ..... 50 Years Research On Herbs ! . RE: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol. Re: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol? Re: influencing the order in which page and swap files are used ) Re: Interested in learning about OpenVMS. ) Re: Interested in learning about OpenVMS. ) RE: Interested in learning about OpenVMS. 8 Re: Linux kernel security bug ... VMS kernel rock solid!8 Re: Linux kernel security bug ... VMS kernel rock solid! Re: OpenMotif on ClosedVMS& Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:& Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:# Re: Toasted AS2100 ECU floppy - VMS  Re: Tracking down a MAC address ! Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome ! Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome ! Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome 2 WASD 8.4.0 now available ... and on Itanium (IA64)D Re: Well Andrew, "3" count them "3" security patches for VMS in fiveN Re: Well Andrew, "3" count them "3" security patches for VMS in five years ...N Re: Well Andrew, "3" count them "3" security patches for VMS in five years ...P Re: Well Andrew, "3" count them "3" security patches for VMS in five years ... yP Re: Well Andrew, "3" count them "3" security patches for VMS in five years ... y/ Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ... 0 [OT]: Interesting article on search engine tools  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:30:48 +0800( From: "Norbert Liew" <nliew@delinux.biz>  Subject: change account password) Message-ID: <3ff958f4$1_2@news.tm.net.my>   2 I know this is a real dumb question but anyway....  F How do you change another user/account password in OpenVMS as a system	 manager ?    Thanks.    Regards, Bert.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:37:49 +0800( From: "Norbert Liew" <nliew@delinux.biz>$ Subject: Re: change account password' Message-ID: <3ff95a99_2@news.tm.net.my>   F I forgot to mention the O/S prompt the below after I do mcr authorize,  D %UAF-E-NAOFIL, unable to open system authorization file (SYSUAF.DAT) -RMS-E-FNF, file not found! Do you want to create a new file?    Should I say yes ?   Thanks.    Bert.   3 "Norbert Liew" <nliew@delinux.biz> wrote in message # news:3ff958f4$1_2@news.tm.net.my... 4 > I know this is a real dumb question but anyway.... > H > How do you change another user/account password in OpenVMS as a system > manager ?  > 	 > Thanks.  > 
 > Regards, > Bert.  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 07:17:33 -0600( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>$ Subject: Re: change account password/ Message-ID: <00A2B6E4.73A501CA.1@tachysoft.com>   ) >From: "Norbert Liew" <nliew@delinux.biz>  >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms% >Subject: Re: change account password % >Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:37:49 +0800  > G >I forgot to mention the O/S prompt the below after I do mcr authorize,  > E >%UAF-E-NAOFIL, unable to open system authorization file (SYSUAF.DAT)  >-RMS-E-FNF, file not found " >Do you want to create a new file? >  >Should I say yes ?  >   K Definintely not.  That will create an alternative uaf file that will except K your changes, but nothing in vms will ever look at it.  Just set default to  sys$system.         4 >"Norbert Liew" <nliew@delinux.biz> wrote in message$ >news:3ff958f4$1_2@news.tm.net.my...5 >> I know this is a real dumb question but anyway....  >>I >> How do you change another user/account password in OpenVMS as a system  >> manager ? >>    " HARDY> mcr authorize help mod/pass MODIFY     /PASSWORD   )         /PASSWORD=(password1[,password2])          /NOPASSWORD   E      Specifies up to two passwords for login. Passwords can be from 0 F      to 32 alphanumeric characters in length. The dollar sign ($)  and(      underscore (_)  are also permitted.  E      Uppercase and lowercase characters are equivalent. All lowercase A      characters are converted to uppercase before the password is E      encrypted. Avoid using the word password as the actual password.   ,      Use the /PASSWORD qualifier as follows:  D      o  To set only the first password and clear the second, specify         /PASSWORD=password.   :      o  To set both the first and second password, specify)         /PASSWORD=(password1, password2).   B      o  To change the first password without affecting the second,)         specify /PASSWORD=(password, "").   B      o  To change the second password without affecting the first,)         specify /PASSWORD=("", password).   ;      o  To set both passwords to null, specify /NOPASSWORD.   9      When you modify a password, the new password expires =      automatically; it is valid only once (unless you specify ?      /NOPWDEXPIRED). On login, the user is forced to change the >      password (unless you specify /FLAGS=DISFORCE_PWD_CHANGE).  B      Note that the /GENERATE_PASSWORD and /PASSWORD qualifiers are      mutually exclusive.     O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== B Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:15:11 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) $ Subject: Re: change account password4 Message-ID: <zrdKb.60523$xU1.50343@fe1.texas.rr.com>  ' Norbert Liew (nliew@delinux.biz) wrote: H : I forgot to mention the O/S prompt the below after I do mcr authorize, : F : %UAF-E-NAOFIL, unable to open system authorization file (SYSUAF.DAT) : -RMS-E-FNF, file not found# : Do you want to create a new file?  :  : Should I say yes ? :   , No, set the current default directory first:      $ set default sys$system     $ mcr authorize    UAF> help        Information available:   K      ADD        Command_Summary       COPY       CREATE     DEFAULT    EXIT M      GRANT      HELP       LIST       MODIFY     REMOVE     RENAME     REVOKE       SHOW       Usage_Summary   	    Topic?     UAF>      --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 18:17:38 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> $ Subject: Re: change account password= Message-ID: <6ThKb.7411$lf3.73818383@news-text.cableinet.net>   J Personally I find that the 'safest' way to prevent multiple UAFs occurringJ is to define logical names for the files that matter, just as you would ifA you deliberately moved the files for performance reasons, cluster " configuration reasons or whatever.  / Add the following to SYS$STARTUP:SYLOGICALS.COM   7 $ define/system/exec/nolog sysuaf sys$system:sysuaf.dat ? $ define/system/exec/nolog rightslist sys$system:righstlist.dat ; $ define/system/exec/nolog netproxy sys$system:netproxy.dat = $ define/system/exec/nolog net$proxy sys$system:net$proxy.dat   I and so on for other files like the TCPIP proxy database or whatevewr else 
 you're using.   7 Then just add the following to your SYS$LOGIN:LOGIN.COM   ! uaf :== $sys$system:authorize.exe   D From there on simply typing UAF will get you what you expect to see.    To answer the original question:  / UAF> modify <account> /pass=word=<new_password>   C will do the trick. You should also consider the use of /pwdlife (or I /nopwdlife) and /pwdexp (or /nopwdexp) depending on your security policy. K See UAF> help for further information. I'd probably set a password lifetime H of a week or two, plus immediate password expiration so that the user isJ forced to choose a new password when they first login. However, it depends# on your site and security policies.    Cheers, Colin. --     Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk L Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:53:10 -0500& From: "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> Subject: Re: Christmas Special/ Message-ID: <vviubridif1545@news.supernews.com>    Peter   * Sorry but Spamassasin was dumping yr email   Pricing as follows:   " 3X-PBXRY-AA $199 CDROM FLopy Combo" Radeon 7500 PCI 64MB Graphics $150   Regards      --   David B Turner Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory St., Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@hpaq.net http://www.hpaq.net             G "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message 3 news:bt4lu2$39upv$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de...  > Island wrote:  > > DS10L 617Mhz > > 256MB Compaq Memory < > > 30GB 7200 Compaq  Hard Disk (VMS 7.1-2> and Tru64 4.0F>) > > Dual 10/100 Ethernet > > NO CD or Floppy  > > & > > Special Pricing until Jan 5th 2004 > >  > > Only $899 + Shipping > > ' > > Limited Qty available at this price 6 > > We can only accept Visa or Mastercard on this deal? > > Shipping is NOT included - averages $40 USA /$70 Canada and  > $90 to EU $ > > Approximate shipping prices only > >  > > Warranty is one year.  > >  > > Email your order only.? > > Email must reach us by the 5th of January to take advantage 	 > of this  > > very low pricing: > > Credit Card details will need to be available by phone@ > > YOU MUST include a valid daytime phone number for this offer> > > You MUST also include a valid email address (we don't spam > email 
 > > accounts)  > > - > > Thanks all - Merry Xmas/Happy Chanuka etc  >  > Dave,  > : > I sent you two messages about this, one to your islandco9 > address and a few days later to your HPAQ address, both @ > messages came from a sympatico.ca account. So I'm assuming you9 > are using some spam blocker that thinks sympatico.ca is 6 > something to be blocked. Anyway, the questions were; > 9 > 1. What CD can you add on this for me and at what cost? ; > 2. What graphic card can you add for me and at what cost?  >  > --   > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  > Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  > www.weaverconsulting.ca  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:52:49 GMT 0 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this>! Subject: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX 3 Message-ID: <5TeKb.11529$fu7.9533@news.cpqcorp.net>    Happy new year everyone.  K I have added the ability to create and delete mailboxes from DCL (permanent  and temporary) using :   $ CREATE/MAILBOX $ DELETE/MAILBOX  , I would like to offer field test images for:   Alpha V7.3-1 & V7.3-2  Vax V7.3  < If you are interested in fieldtesting the new images send me( your e-mail address. (do not reply here)  J Please be aware that these images are not officially supported and you may& only complain about them to me and notF to your local support center. Images will be distributed in ZIP files.  0  The new functionality will be shipped with V8.2   Regards,  
 Guy Peleg.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:35:18 -0500. From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>% Subject: Re: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX / Message-ID: <ZufKb.105$s8.1113@news.on.tac.net>   " yes I would be jabraga@flanagan.ca  ; "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> wrote in message - news:5TeKb.11529$fu7.9533@news.cpqcorp.net...  > Happy new year everyone. > B > I have added the ability to create and delete mailboxes from DCL
 (permanent > and temporary) using : >  > $ CREATE/MAILBOX > $ DELETE/MAILBOX > . > I would like to offer field test images for: >  > Alpha V7.3-1 & V7.3-2 
 > Vax V7.3 > > > If you are interested in fieldtesting the new images send me* > your e-mail address. (do not reply here) > L > Please be aware that these images are not officially supported and you may( > only complain about them to me and notH > to your local support center. Images will be distributed in ZIP files. > 2 >  The new functionality will be shipped with V8.2 > 
 > Regards, >  > Guy Peleg. >  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:33:43 +0100+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> % Subject: Re: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX 9 Message-ID: <btc3s5$5j2fr$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>    Guy,  L if hobbyist users are also included in the invitation then I'd be interested in a VAX/VMS V7.3 kit. My Alpha's run V7.3 only.    Happy New Year!   
 Hans Vlems hvlems@zonnet.nl  = "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> schreef in bericht - news:5TeKb.11529$fu7.9533@news.cpqcorp.net...  > Happy new year everyone. > B > I have added the ability to create and delete mailboxes from DCL
 (permanent > and temporary) using : >  > $ CREATE/MAILBOX > $ DELETE/MAILBOX > . > I would like to offer field test images for: >  > Alpha V7.3-1 & V7.3-2 
 > Vax V7.3 > > > If you are interested in fieldtesting the new images send me* > your e-mail address. (do not reply here) > L > Please be aware that these images are not officially supported and you may( > only complain about them to me and notH > to your local support center. Images will be distributed in ZIP files. > 2 >  The new functionality will be shipped with V8.2 > 
 > Regards, >  > Guy Peleg. >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2004 11:15:23 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) % Subject: Re: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX 3 Message-ID: <dp8mWhe7WIfl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <ZufKb.105$s8.1113@news.on.tac.net>, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> writes:   <top posting corrected>   = > "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@hp.com_remove_this> wrote in message / > news:5TeKb.11529$fu7.9533@news.cpqcorp.net...   ? >> If you are interested in fieldtesting the new images send me + >> your e-mail address. (do not reply here)    <top posting corrected>   $ > yes I would be jabraga@flanagan.ca  A Perhaps if people (two, so far) did not top-post, they would more @ carefully read Guy's gracious attempt to keep the newsgroup free of clutter.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2004 07:43:57 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.orgL Subject: Re: Decimal Arith in DCL  was(RE: Floating point arithmetic support3 Message-ID: <KE+nAdi2dGeT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <bt5amj$aev$1@news01.intel.com>, Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com> writes: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  >  > [big snip] > ) >> Variables might be explicitly declared  >> $ Integer X >> $ Character Y >> $ Decimal Z/ >> or implicitly declared by the value assigned  >> $ X=1  ! Integer  >> $ Y="1"  ! Character  >> $ Z=1.0   ! Decimal > 	 > $ x = 1  > $ y = "2"  > $ write sys$output f$type(x)	 > INTEGER  > $ write sys$output f$type(y)	 > INTEGER  > $  > 8 > I don't think implicit typing, as you've suggested, is9 > compatible with current behaviour...and I wouldn't want  > it changed...   A The F$TYPE function does not return the type of the symbol passed H as a parameter.  In particular, as your example demonstrates, it returns9 "INTEGER" for character strings that have integer syntax.   @ Mind you, I'm not particularly fond of that bit of behavior, but< it is documented and is thus pretty well exempt from change.  / Implicit typing is indeed the current behavior.    $ x = 1  $ y = "foobar"> $ garbage = f$context ( "PROCESS", z, "NODENAME", "*", "EQL" ) $ write sys$output f$type(x) INTEGER  $ write sys$output f$type(y) STRING $ write sys$output f$type(z) PROCESS_CONTEXT    	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2004 08:03:26 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: Re: Floating point arithmetic support in DCL 3 Message-ID: <8gHq09g9qRdp@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <b096a4ee.0312301517.74d164da@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: > G > OK, but if one does want to stay with the 4-char way, how about ELIF? & > That reads closely enough to ELSEIF. >   ?    See earlier post.  DCL is based on English, not eunichs-ish.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:28:50 +0100 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> * Subject: Re: Freeware download corrupt (?)* Message-ID: <btbaoi$7vp$1@news.tudelft.nl>   Mark Berryman wrote: > Alder wrote: > L >> My apologies if this has been reported already, but Google didn't turn up >> anything. >  >  > [snip] >  >> $ product install * >>+ >> The following product has been selected: = >>     FREEWARE AXPVMS GHOSTSCRIPT V8.11      Layered Product  >>	 >> <snip>  >>: >> The following product will be installed to destination:@ >>     FREEWARE AXPVMS GHOSTSCRIPT V8.11      DISK$NET:[000000.] >> >> Portion done: 0% 8 >> %PCSI-I-PRCOUTPUT, output from subprocess follows ...; >> %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol decc$gxvsnprintf multiply defined D >>         in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1: >> %LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol decc$gxsnprintf multiply definedD >>         in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1 >>= >> %PCSI-E-ASSEMERR, error assembling file [GS.BIN]GS.EXE_AXP % >> %PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failed H >> Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES] >>2 >> =============================================== >>6 >> Can anyone replicate this?  Suggest why it happens? >  > H > You are running a later version of the C RTL that has implemented the J > snprintf and vsnprintf functions.  The GHOSTSCRIPT package assumes that K > VMS does not have these functions and uses its own version of them (this  J > is in the JBIG2DEC module).  Since the decision as to whether or not to G > include these functions or expect to find them in the C library is a  I > compile time option, you will need to restore the source save set that  K > is included in the PCSI kit, edit the OPENVMS.MMK file that includes the  . > SNPRINTF.C module, and rebuild from scratch.E Note that version 8.11 is "old" and that 8.13 is just released. This  G version contains a modified OPENVMS.MMK file that does not include the   snprintf.c by default.J see also : http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/software2.html#GhostScript                       Jouk          Alternatively, you can K > elect not to terminate the install and use the package as is.  The error  G > is not fatal and the program will still work (it doesn't even matter  : > which copy the linker chooses to use, either will work). > K > I am a little swamped right now but I will try to modify the PCSI kit so  ; > that it will build correctly on any version of the C RTL.  > H > As an aside, how is a freeware porter supposed to know what functions K > might one day find their way into the DECC RTL so (s)he can address this  E > appropriately in the port?  Especially when Unix freeware seems to  @ > assume that all packages will be built from scratch so that a H > compile-time script can be run to determine what will and will not be E > included.  (I think it is this approach to software packaging that  F > causes so many freeware packages to have versions of what should be = > library routines using the same name as the library would).  >  > Mark Berryman  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:42:45 +0100 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> * Subject: Re: Freeware download corrupt (?)* Message-ID: <btbbil$89m$1@news.tudelft.nl>   Richard L. Dyson wrote:  > Mark Berryman wrote: >  >> Richard L. Dyson wrote: >>	 >>> Mark,  >>> J >>>     I have been playing with your port of GS v8.11 (I last helped out  >>> with9 >>> v7.x and have been out of the picture until today. :)  >>> J >>>     I found I had to change one macro in GDEVX.C in order to get it toE >>> compile cleanly.  From a recent MMK build (in the past, only MMK   >>> would work. J >>> Do you know if MMS is useable?  I will try later, but thought I would 	 >>> ask.)  >>> . >>> LINK/NODEBUG/NOTRACEBACK/EXE=[.BIN]GS.EXE = >>> [.obj]gs.obj,[.obj]ld.tr/OPTIONS,[.src]OPENVMS.OPT/OPTION * >>> %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 2 undefined symbols:& >>> %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         XInitImage< >>> %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol XInitImage referenced- >>>         in psect $LINK$ offset %X000000F0 ! >>>         in module GDEVX file  4 >>> DISK$WOLF:[DYSON.TOOLS.GS.GS8_11.OBJ]GDEVX.OBJ;1 >>> G >>> I am using Alpha/OpenVMS v7.3-1 with DEC C v6.5-001 and DECWindows   >>> v1.3.  IL >>> don't think I have updated C RTL.  I have seen the reported problem withI >>> installing with ACRTL v6.0.  I must have missed the ECO announcement  
 >>> for it, >>> or I would probably have installed it... >> >> >>F >> If you really have DECWindows V1.3 then you have XInitImage.  This J >> software kit built correctly under both V1.2-5 (which doesn't have it) I >> and V1.3 (which does) on my system using the same versions of VMS and   >> DECC that you did.  >>L >> What was the change you had to make in order to get it to link correctly? >  > H > Actually, I never did get it to link correctly.  I wrote the above too
 > soon. :( > I > NOTE: I upgraded to Motif v1.3-0 from my original v1.2-6 that came with J > OpenVMS v7.3-1.  This box has only had v1.2-6 and the recent v1.3 updateM > kit.  I don't think there were even any ECOs for DWMotif ever released that 
 > applied. > L > I have Compaq C v6.5-001 and now I have ACRTL v3.0 and the Update v2.0.  II > ran the GS build again tonight, after the recent ECOs and get the same   > error  > at link time.  > I The problem seems to be in the sources : On VMS XInitImage is not in the  G libraries but XINITIMAGE is. when you compile with /name=as_is a define E should be added. This is included in version 8.13. Version 8.11 is a  = pre-Decwindows1.3 version so it does not include this define.   J see also : http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/software2.html#GhostScript                       Jouk   ------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 05 Jan 04 17:06:02 GMT , From: herbmasters004@yahoo.com(Mustafa Arif): Subject: Happy New Year ..... 50 Years Research On Herbs !, Message-ID: <040105170602715@208.234.59.139>   HAPPY NEW YEAR .....  4 Here at ARK CORPORATION, we just want to wish you a  HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!: Please be safe and enjoy the blessings that surround you !  9 ----------------- About Ark Corporation -----------------  We are conducting research on herbs and herbal medicines from last 50 years. A few products are available online with 100% money back guarantee at http://neobax.com< ------------------------------------------------------------	 ACNE-R :  / Most Effective Herbal Remedy For Acne Removal ! 2 Removes pimples, cyst, blackheads, whiteheads and  other types of acne !   http://acne-treatment.neobax.com     NINOPILLS : 7 The Best Natural Way Of Premature Ejaculation Treatment 9 Increases The Sexual playing Time Of Normal A Normal Man. ( Now You Can Make Love All Night Long !!! http://ninopills.neobax.com   	 NAVADEX : 3 An Amazing Herbal Formulation, Cures Impotence & ED ( GET ROCK HARD ERECTIONS WITH NAVADEX !!! http://neobax.com/navadex.html; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2004 07:57:33 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org7 Subject: RE: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol 3 Message-ID: <PIf3cA$6ua7t@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEEIKCJAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: K > That is all very interesting, I know how to set the value of a dcl symbol ? > but I would like to do it as a user defined lexical function.   B That's very hard to do.  If you're going to attempt it without useB of SPAWN, you need to trigger an image activation in the middle ofH command line parsing.  That's tricky business since you're in supervisorD mode and when supervisor mode code is running, user mode code isn't.D And if you exit from the supervisor to let the .EXE run, you'll needB to set hooks so that when the image exits, control returns to yourB lexical in the middle of the interrupted command line parsing with context restored.   @ In general, it's easy for a less privileged mode to use servicesB provided by a more privileged mode.  But it's difficult for a moreC privileged mode to use services provided by a less privileged mode.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2004 07:51:30 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org7 Subject: Re: How to make exe return value to dcl symbol 3 Message-ID: <stwt5quSs4J6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   y In article <3FF84756.D9AC496E@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: G > LIB$STOP causes image rundown and provides the value specified to the  > $STATUS symbol.   F Except that the low order two bits of the value specified are cleared.B And you get a certain amount of traceback output as an unfortunate side effect.   Personally, I use SYS$EXIT.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:59:20 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)H Subject: Re: influencing the order in which page and swap files are used. Message-ID: <btcc67$5jj$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes in article <bt6ljg$1ft$2@online.de> dated Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:03:12 +0000 (UTC): E >In article <bst1e8$j5b$2@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@mazda.mitre.org  >(Keith A. Lewis) writes: K >> A solid-state disk for paging??  If you're that rich, why not simply buy  >> more RAM? > C >Actually I'm not rich, and have bought very little of my hobbyist  J >equipment.  I picked up a few EZ32-VW disks for free, which I think will I >work in a BA356 box, so why not?  These have 256 MB, which is more than  J >the physical memory in any of my machines.  The advantages are a) that I E >already have the solid-state disk and b) that I can use it with any  = >system, whereas if I buy more memory it is tied to that box.   I Sounds reasonable to me.  But be aware you're using a tank as a tractor.  C Solid-state disks have to be non-volatile, which means they're more H expensive than regular RAM of the same speed.  (FLASH, maybe?)  Also the4 SCSI bus will probably have higher latency than RAM.  O >> Yes, you can get rid of the default files -- rename, reboot, delete, in that 	 >> order!  > G >I don't want to get rid of them.  However, I would like the secondary  I >files to be used by default if they are available, and the files on the   >system disk only as a backup.  I OK, you don't have to delete them but do rename them or else they will be J installed every time.  If you give them some other name, you can customizeL SYPAGSWPFILES.COM to install them under the "right" circumstances (i.e. when& the MOUNT command for the EZ32 fails).  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:57:09 +0000 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>2 Subject: Re: Interested in learning about OpenVMS.' Message-ID: <btbtvt$ham$1@lore.csc.com>    Vincent wrote:  G > I'd like to learn about OpenVMS. I tried looking at the demo accounts   ? There are some quite good online resources in addition to those G mentioned. This is listed as a primer for a system manager, but it does  start with some basic concepts.   ' http://h71000.www7.hp.com/training.html    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2004 08:21:17 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: Interested in learning about OpenVMS.3 Message-ID: <6l6jn3egtBa3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <955bb04a.0401010021.316ff803@posting.google.com>, vmortellaro@hotmail.com (Vincent) writes:  > Hi,  > G > I'd like to learn about OpenVMS. I tried looking at the demo accounts ? > on DeathRow, while reading the Beginner's faq on openvms.org. F > Unfortunately, it still took me about 20minutes to figure out that I( > could view a terse directory list ala: > 
 > $dir /brief  > E > If anyone could suggest any books that would be helpful for someone H > that has absoultely no familiarity with VMS, I'd really appreciate it.D > By basic I mean simple things like how to navigate the filesystem, > where everything is, etc.   C    The output of dir/brief is the same as the output of dir, unless F    someone has defined a symbol making "dir" stand for something else.  1    Meanwhile. HELP is your friend.  Use it often.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:52:41 -0500$ From: Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com>2 Subject: RE: Interested in learning about OpenVMS.J Message-ID: <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE860492B417@lespaul.process.com>   > -----Original Message-----: > From: Richard B. Gilbert [mailto:rgilbert88@comcast.net]* > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 8:23 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 4 > Subject: Re: Interested in learning about OpenVMS. >  >  > < > Any of the introductory texts listed here should help.  I  > suspect that  G > most of them are out of print.  You can probably find one or more in   > Amazon's used book service.  > 8 >         This bibliography is based on postings to the  > Info-VAX mailing  B > list by Professor David D. Miller, Arne Vajhoj and others, with ? > additions, corrections, and formatting by Richard B. Gilbert.  > < >         Some books may appear in more than one category.   > Some books may   > be out of print. > < >                   Introduction to VAX/VMS - for new users. > C > Bynon, David W. and Shannon, Terry C. "Introduction to VAX/VMS".   > Cardinal Business Media H > Peters, James, F. III. and Holmay, Patrick J. "The VMS User's Guide".  > Digital Press, 1990  >   > [Remaining entries deleted...]   Richard,  5 That's a pretty complete list you have there.  Thanks , for taking the time to maintain and post it.2 Please note there are a couple of updates to make:  2 Duffy, Michael D.  "Getting Started with OpenVMS".  Digital Press, 2002, ~300 pages. ISBN 1-55558-279-6  : Also note that David Miller and Steve Hoffman have updated> the Baldwin "OpenVMS System Management Guide".  It's just out.
 1-55558-243-5   9 Miller's "Getting Started with OpenVMS System Management" < (1-55558-281-8) seems to be a subset of the updated Baldwin.  9 And don't forget Winston's "OpenVMS with Apache, OSU, and  WASD".  1-55558-264-8.   -Mike Duffy    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 11:47:29 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> A Subject: Re: Linux kernel security bug ... VMS kernel rock solid! 0 Message-ID: <btbish$3u7$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Keith Parris wrote:  > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<brs6pi$1bf$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > 7 >>In Q401 which was immediately prior to the compaction 5 >>OpenVMS server revenues were ~95 million a quarter.  >  > Q > Q401 was the quarter in which 9/11 occurred, and the economy tanked after that.   ? They were already on their way down as you know perfectly well.      Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 11:46:08 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> A Subject: Re: Linux kernel security bug ... VMS kernel rock solid! 0 Message-ID: <btbiq1$3u7$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Keith Parris wrote:  > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<brcu1n$m70$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > 1 >>The answer is that AlphaServers running OpenVMS ' >>did ~64 million dollars last quarter.  >  > B > IDC Server Quarterly Tracker numbers put OpenVMS server customer+ > revenues at USD $75 Million for Q3CY2003.  >  > * >>The words blip and radar spring to mind. >  > G > This is only server revenues.  Not Services, not Storage or SANs, notM@ > workstations, not networking hardware or software, not layered > products, etc. >   A Sure its only server revenues but all the other hardware/softwareuD revenues that you have supplied are dependant on selling the servers themselves.   @ While services revenues are dependant on the new systems meeting% or exceeding the rate of retirements.i  C 60-70 million a quarter for new server revenues is rather low, manyi? product managers in HP will have a higher target for the single ? product they manage than you are getting for the entire OpenVMS  enterprise.h  7 I also rather doubt that the 60-70 million a quarter isl. matching or exceeding the rate or retirements.  ; Incedentally 60-70 million is low isn't it, shame that thise@ fact had to break cover because you, Fred and Rob started hyping? a tiny revenue increase for OpenVMS as a cause for celebration.S   Regardsu Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 18:17:19 GMTn9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>e# Subject: Re: OpenMotif on ClosedVMS 4 Message-ID: <PShKb.11573$4J7.10896@news.cpqcorp.net>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagel# news:3FF1119E.4C755C11@istop.com...  > Keith Parris wrote:MB > > As the FAQ explains, "both Motif and Open Motif share the same" > > functionality and source code. >tJ > I was concerned because they had qualified those for a specific release.* > (2.1.something if I remember correctly). > E > Do you know if the HP deal with the Motif people gives HP access toa any/alleG > versions of Motif, or do they buy rights only for specific versions ?. >yF > For instance,  the VMS folks only provide 1.2 for VAX VMS. Are usersK > restricted to running 1.2 because that is all that was licenced, or couldnK > users "legally" compile and use a more current version since they already- have > rights to use Motif ?   H I believe that ICS (ics.com) maintains Motif and also is the provider ofG OpenMotif.  The Motif license you get from VMS allows you to run the HPeL provided Motif implementation on VMS.  VMS/HP has full rights to provide anyL version of Motif, the reasons we have not updated to V2.1 is resources/cost,L and compatability (CDE for example must be updated for V2.0 and later).  TheJ upcomming V1.3 release that updates the X11 libraries (to X11R6.6) will be7 disruptive enough to some customers for the time being.e  J There is at least one customer I know of who maintains their own X11/MotifD implementation for VMS (I believe Motif V2.1).  I don't know if they) licensed Motif or if they used OpenMotif.n  G The biggest limitations in rolling your own is the loss of VMS-specificrK modifications - like getting VMS filenames in widgets.  And usually you endeK up with a TCPIP only transport (using sockets).  The VMS utilities like SETyK DISPLAY will not work without changes.  You would treat the X11 system much J like a UNIX system using logicals of the same name and content as the UNIX environment variables.  L For Motif itself, "some" thought went into the original design, and you willM find that most of the grunt work to make it work on VMS will be in XMOS.C -- o7 to add a VMS veneer on top of that, is a bit more work.m   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2004 08:07:05 -06000; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)h/ Subject: Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:A3 Message-ID: <4O5wnXCKBgoS@eisner.encompasserve.org>F  w In article <bssr5k$ab4$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:   B > Terminal: _OPA0:      Device_Type: VT300_Series  Owner: HELBIG-1@ >                                               Username: HELBIG > D >    Input:     300     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None8 >    Output:    300     CRfill:  0      Page:   24        B > The setup screen of the VT320 has 9600 for receive and transmit.  H    OK, now that's freaking weird.  Why VMS thinks it's 300 baud when itsF    actually "working" at 9600 is interesting.  If the console port wasF    really 300 baud while the terminal is 9600 I would expect it not to    work at all.f  G    Have you verified what the console is really set to?  (I forget whateD    model you're using, it should either be a hardware or console RAM    setting.)   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2004 10:51:57 -0800c. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)/ Subject: Re: scrambled terminal output on OPA0:d= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0401051051.42eadfc7@posting.google.com>a  v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<4O5wnXCKBgoS@eisner.encompasserve.org>...y > In article <bssr5k$ab4$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:g > D > > Terminal: _OPA0:      Device_Type: VT300_Series  Owner: HELBIG-1B > >                                               Username: HELBIG > > F > >    Input:     300     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None: > >    Output:    300     CRfill:  0      Page:   24       >   D > > The setup screen of the VT320 has 9600 for receive and transmit. > J >    OK, now that's freaking weird.  Why VMS thinks it's 300 baud when itsH >    actually "working" at 9600 is interesting.  If the console port wasH >    really 300 baud while the terminal is 9600 I would expect it not to >    work at all.  > I >    Have you verified what the console is really set to?  (I forget what=F >    model you're using, it should either be a hardware or console RAM >    setting.)  F I get the same 300 on mine but output is not scrambled. It is SmarTermE v9.0a configured at 9600, 8bit, one stop bit, no parity attached to a=D MicroVAX 3100-95 running VMS 6.2 and it runs about that fast (a 12006 char file takes about 1 second to TYPE to the screen).  B I was always curious about this. Anyone know why the 300 when it's really 9600?   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanl   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 09:54:52 GMT5A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> , Subject: Re: Toasted AS2100 ECU floppy - VMS= Message-ID: <MvaKb.7101$Yp7.70456428@news-text.cableinet.net>    Michael,  D I did try to send you a copy. However, your mail server returned theF following (email adresses removed). Now, given that One & One InternetG aren't blacklisted as far as I know (certainly I've never had a problemtL sending mail through them before) and I'm not a spammer, then it looks to meJ as if the problem is at your end. I also recommed that you change your 550I "You have been rejected. Get a life." message to something less likely to E get peoples backs up when you send it out incorrectly - especially iflL they're trying to help you. If you've managed to automatically send an abuseC reports to abuse@kunderserver.de then you need to retract that too.l      H This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).  D A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its  H recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:   intended_recipient  7 SMTP error from remote mailer after initial connection:a  I host mail.firstdbasource.com [67.65.58.249]: 550 "You have been rejected.  Get a life."  G ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------n  I ------ The body of the message is 1223669 characters long; only the first$  % ------ 10240 or so are included here.x   Return-path: <sender>t  A Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng2.kundenserver.de)$  3 by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1)p   id 1AdQzd-0002tr-00e  7 for intended_recipient; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:25:49 +0100y  * Received: from [82.32.6.46] (helo=XDW2K01)  6 by mrelayng2.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1)   id 1AdQyu-0000Zd-00t  7 for intended_recipient; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:25:04 +0100a   Reply-To: <sender>   From: "Colin Butcher" <sender>   To: <intended_recipient>   Subject: ECU floppy   $ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:25:03 -0000  1 Message-ID: <NABBKPHCCAPBBKHCJIIFAEJEEJAA.sender>    MIME-Version: 1.0I   Content-Type: multipart/mixed;  4 boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3D36D.CCE68020"   X-Priority: 3 (Normal)   X-MSMail-Priority: Normalh  < X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0)   Importance: Normal  8 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165  3 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.den% auth:4921a09c4d35ff3488b6e4809273a23as  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C3D36D.CCE680200   Content-Type: text/plain;l   charset="iso-8859-1"   Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7biti   Try this...s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:22:25 +0000 % From: David Gray <police@spamcop.net>9( Subject: Re: Tracking down a MAC address8 Message-ID: <k80jvvo52d00b4nbpr3g9nqplk130ano5i@4ax.com>  D Looks like the offending hardware was a Dell of some description and* it had the same IP address as the server.    Thanks to all who responded. /   Dave .  C On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:10:06 +0000, David Gray <police@spamcop.net>> wrote:   >Greetings,  >4; >I keep getting the following message in the operator log.   > $ >Message from user INTERnet on SPIKEF >arp: local IP address nnnn.nnnn.nnnn.nnnn  in use by hardware address >00-06-5B-EF-4A-A2 > G >I have checked all the hardware addresses of everything  that could be F >causing this without success.  Any ideas on tracking down the culprit! >based on the MAC address alone? c > " >$ucx show arp    gives no clues.  >d >Thanks in advance.  >0 >	Dave.  >  >9 >o >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:20:43 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> * Subject: Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome0 Message-ID: <btbdpr$20r$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Greg Cagle wrote:U* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  >> Greg Cagle wrote: >>, >>> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >>>i@ >>>> Sometime in the future nPartitions which are currently hard> >>>> will become soft, this appears currently to be technology$ >>>> that is only planned for HP-UX. >>>a >>>t >>>  >>>H@ >>> Actually vPartitions (soft partitions) have been in place on@ >>> HP-UX for some time - a few years IRRC. You are correct thatC >>> they are HP-UX only at this time. nPartitions (hard partitions)  >>> are not OS-specific. >>>  >>? >> That isn't what the Integrity White paper says, it indicatesr; >> that vPartitions will be supported in a release of HP-UXC4 >> after 11i 2 which is the current Itanium version. >>: >> It is quite possible that vPartitions do exist on HP-UX	 >> HP-PA.  >  > > > It wasn't clear you were only referring to Integrity systems > in your comments.c >   9 As far as I know there is no intention to port OpenVMS toe9 HP-PA (how do rumours get started) hence the reference tod7 Integrity SuperDome's rather than the SuperDome Classicm% or whatever the HP-PA Dome is called.A   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:23:53 +0000aO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>i* Subject: Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome0 Message-ID: <btbdvq$25f$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Main, Kerry wrote: >>-----Original Message-----9 >>From: Greg Cagle [mailto:news@removethisgregcagle.com] d" >>Sent: December 30, 2003 11:17 AM >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com2, >>Subject: Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome >>* >>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >> >>D >>>Sometime in the future nPartitions which are currently hard will E >>>become soft, this appears currently to be technology that is only e >>>planned for HP-UX.a >>? >>Actually vPartitions (soft partitions) have been in place on g? >>HP-UX for some time - a few years IRRC. You are correct that e6 >>they are HP-UX only at this time. nPartitions (hard " >>partitions) are not OS-specific. >> >>- Greg >>-- >>Greg Cagle >>gregc at gregcagle dot com >> >  >  > Greg - > # > Minor correction / clarification:  > E > vPars (or otherwise known as soft partitions) are also available oneH > OpenVMS. Rather than call them vPars, OpenVMS chose to call it Galaxy,J > but the technology is basically the same i.e. the ability to dynamicallyF > shift CPU's between separate OS instances. Like vPars on HP-UX, softC > partitions have been available on OpenVMS for a number of years. f >   . vPars are not at all like Galaxy, think again.  0 Apart from anything else vPars are based on Cell/ boards while Galaxies have a finer granularity.1  ; vPars also have nothing like the Galaxy memory architectureC$ nor do they currenty run on Itanium.     Regards$ Andrew HarrisonuH > One of best demo's (imho) at the recent HP World event in St Louis wasJ > with the person running the booth dynamically shifting cpu's to handle a+ > different workload on a big Alpha GS1280.s > J > Oh - and by the way, the tool he was using to drag-n-drop CPU's from one- > OS instance to another was a handheld iPaq.  >  > :-)e > 	 > Regards  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultanta > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660n > Fax: 613-591-4477  > Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcomE. > (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 18:13:16 GMTr& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>* Subject: Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome3 Message-ID: <0PhKb.11570$nL7.4088@news.cpqcorp.net>   P Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:: > Apart from anything else vPars are based on Cell boards   E The granularity of nPars is the cell board.  The granularity of vParsd is the CPU or I/O card etc.   
 rick jones -- -= portable adj, code that compiles under more than one compilergF these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:35:49 +1030g/ From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>G; Subject: WASD 8.4.0 now available ... and on Itanium (IA64) , Message-ID: <3ff90cb6_4@news.chariot.net.au>  ? Just as a potential c.o.v. interest item recently posted on the  info-WASD mailing list ...     New Year Greetings info-WASD.c  C This (first for 2004) message is to announce two items of interest.      WASD port to IA64 (Itanium)h ---------------------------d@ The package now can be deployed on IA64 based systems running HPF OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 Evaluation Release Version 8.1.  Clusters@ of Alpha, IA64 and VAX systems can use the one, fully-integratedE installation.  All supported WASD functionality is present, includingnA SSL.  IA64, though comprehensively tested, should be considered a> dot-zero release..  F The port (such as it was) would best be described as trivial in WASD'sE instance.  Mainly changes in compilation macros from '#ifdef __ALPHA'$F to '#ifndef __VAX'.  Run-time functionality appears to be transparent.E Thanks to VMS Engineering and Alpha<->IA64 compatibility (at least asD= far as the application interfaces are concerned)!  SupportingpD procedures and documentation took longer to bring into line than the server code itself.l  B Two IA64 demonstration sites are available (no, it's not a one-off@ fluke).  Thanks to Jean-Franois Pironne and Jeremy Begg.  JustF remember, these IA64 systems are for porting, testing and evaluation -C not just as WASD demonstrators.  They may be up and WASD serving orrD off somewhere else, really earning their keep!  In other words don't& expect 100% demonstrator availability.  &    http://ia64.pi-net.dyndns.net:8000/'    https://ia64.pi-net.dyndns.net:4430/i    http://ia64.vsm.com.au:8000/      https://ia64.vsm.com.au:4430/  D Thanks to Julien Courtemanche for demonstrating it was possible (andB relatively trivial) by knocking up a quick port of 8.3.2 almost asA soon he had unboxed his system ;^)  Thanks again to Jean-Franois-E Pironne and Jeremy Begg for providing their systems for the port and@; then to polish up the rest of the package for IA64 support.F     WASD v8.4.0 Releases -------------------gE This latest full release is now available from the WASD download page0# (including the IA64 build support).>      http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/e  B The kits include the full release, plus Alpha (AXP) and VAX objectE kits.  No IA64 object kit is provided at this time as it appears that @ a C compiler is being supplied with all current OpenVMS IndustryB Standard 64 Evaluation Release Version 8.1 kits.  Those wishing to? evaluate IA64 WASD will be able to compile during the build.  AwC pre-built WASD OpenSSL kit for IA64 is available however.  Use this  or the HP OpenSSL for IA64 kit.r  4 A list of changes for this version is available from  7    http://wasd.vsm.com.au/ht_root/doc/misc/changes.htmli  B It has been decided to fully release this version without a publicD BETA cycle.  The server has been in non-public BETA release across aD handful of live sites for a number of weeks in late 2003 with only a? small number of minor issues requiring attention.  I have everyK6 confidence :^) that it's an acceptably stable release.    C Anyway, as WASD heads well into it's tenth year, it's a small pointcF that it, as did VMS, began on the VAX platform, migrated to the 64 bitF Alpha, and also now is in the process of migrating to the 64 bit Intel	 platform.f   Regards, Mark Daniel.e  G PS. I've been very careful not to congratulate anyone for accomplishinge3 anything in the face any neighing at all here Bill.O  F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+E   Mark Daniel                         http://wasd.vsm.com.au/adelaide=F   mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au);   A pox on the houses of all SPAMers.  Make that two poxes.aF +--------------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2004 12:20:13 -0600i- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)GM Subject: Re: Well Andrew, "3" count them "3" security patches for VMS in fivec3 Message-ID: <pHDs4F8$EuqD@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <btc7f5$b6t$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  @ > Many of the CERT advisories for Linux and other OS's or common> > OS components such as bind for example are published because@ > a security expert has trawled through the OS/components source? > reviewed it and found a hole and published the details on thetB > hole often after suitable discussions with the effected vendors.  = > While OpenVMS sources are available they are not as easy toa? > get hold of as say the Linux source and anyway no one is thatf? > interested in finding the holes so OpenVMS lacks the external " > scrutiny accorded to other OS's.  B A goodly portion of VMS security defects that made it to customersA have been reported due to customer inspection of the source.  One @ large set of those were released in a single security MUP before* Andrew started posting to those newsgroup.  > While those involved "suitable discussions with the" a"ffected> vendor", the reporter obviously felt that the problem was well: in hand and felt no need to "go public" to get resolution.  B VMS customers seem quite content with the security of VMS systems.B The person most disgusted with VMS security seems to be the person" trying to push a Unix approach :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2004 08:57:10 -0800i" From: mike9966@canada.com (Mike R)W Subject: Re: Well Andrew, "3" count them "3" security patches for VMS in five years ...e= Message-ID: <5fd7aa0b.0401050857.2c89ab03@posting.google.com>.   Bob Ceculski wrote:R7 > one was for something we don't even use right now ...$3 > decwindows ... the other two was for TCPware, onek6 > being for smtp ... now where was slowaris cert count3 > for the last five years ... 1000+ and catching up , > to linux windoze garbage ... beat that ...    E This comparison seems a little unfair, seeing as VMS security patches E aren't marked as security patches in the ECO notes or even the source C code as a matter of policy.  I'm willing to bet the three you quote>A were discovered by external people who refused to cover them up. rE Anyone in the know care to estimate how many patches with a potentialEB security impact have been silently made in the last 5 years ?  TheA fact of the matter is that customers don't know how many security-E patches there have been.  As a side effect, this means that customersn6 can't choose to just apply critical security patches..  C I think that "slowaris"'s rather more open and responsible approachO does indeed "beat that".   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jan 2004 11:19:34 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)aW Subject: Re: Well Andrew, "3" count them "3" security patches for VMS in five years ... 3 Message-ID: <F9xLCUP$xdPB@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  b In article <5fd7aa0b.0401050857.2c89ab03@posting.google.com>, mike9966@canada.com (Mike R) writes: > Bob Ceculski wrote:T8 >> one was for something we don't even use right now ...4 >> decwindows ... the other two was for TCPware, one7 >> being for smtp ... now where was slowaris cert countt4 >> for the last five years ... 1000+ and catching up- >> to linux windoze garbage ... beat that ...  >  > G > This comparison seems a little unfair, seeing as VMS security patches G > aren't marked as security patches in the ECO notes or even the sourcea > code as a matter of policy.i  : I don't know ECO notes, but I have figured out the secret.  A When something comes labeled "Mandatory Security Patch" it is for  security reasons.   A The security fixes I know are not labeled as such are those which0A are discovered internal to VMS Development where there is nothinge9 to indicate that any outsider has ever found the problem.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 11:34:04 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> Y Subject: Re: Well Andrew, "3" count them "3" security patches for VMS in five years ... yi0 Message-ID: <btbi3d$3n1$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:o7 > one was for something we don't even use right now ...-3 > decwindows ... the other two was for TCPware, one16 > being for smtp ... now where was slowaris cert count3 > for the last five years ... 1000+ and catching upn, > to linux windoze garbage ... beat that ...  - Trolling again Bob, I guess thats another newO* years resolution that you should have made down the drain.l   Regardse Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:38:44 +0000-O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>5Y Subject: Re: Well Andrew, "3" count them "3" security patches for VMS in five years ... yx0 Message-ID: <btc7f5$b6t$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:d > In article <5fd7aa0b.0401050857.2c89ab03@posting.google.com>, mike9966@canada.com (Mike R) writes: >  >>Bob Ceculski wrote:  >>8 >>>one was for something we don't even use right now ...4 >>>decwindows ... the other two was for TCPware, one7 >>>being for smtp ... now where was slowaris cert count 4 >>>for the last five years ... 1000+ and catching up- >>>to linux windoze garbage ... beat that ...o >> >>G >>This comparison seems a little unfair, seeing as VMS security patches/G >>aren't marked as security patches in the ECO notes or even the source- >>code as a matter of policy.- >  > < > I don't know ECO notes, but I have figured out the secret. > C > When something comes labeled "Mandatory Security Patch" it is fore > security reasons.7 > C > The security fixes I know are not labeled as such are those whichtC > are discovered internal to VMS Development where there is nothing ; > to indicate that any outsider has ever found the problem.   < Hence the bogosity of using CERT to compare OpenVMS security with other OS's security.o  > Many of the CERT advisories for Linux and other OS's or common< OS components such as bind for example are published because> a security expert has trawled through the OS/components source= reviewed it and found a hole and published the details on the.@ hole often after suitable discussions with the effected vendors.  ' Many OS vendors also do the same thing.x  @ OpenVMS is entirely different, the only CERT advisories reported= for OpenVMS are ones reported by 3rd parties the POP CERT for ; OpenVMS for example and ones that Compaq/HP are/were forcedd; to post because there was a general vunerability to say PODr= or LAND or Teardrop which they could not escape responding toe/ all be it regretably incorrectly in some cases.-  B You can count the number of CERT advisories posted by Compaq/HP on0 their own volition on the fingers of one finger.  ; While OpenVMS sources are available they are not as easy to = get hold of as say the Linux source and anyway no one is that = interested in finding the holes so OpenVMS lacks the external = scrutiny accorded to other OS's. This coupled with a securityt= patch policy which doesn't specify what the patch is actuallys: for its just mandatory and you have a situation where CERT2 counts for OpenVMS are a completely bogus measure.  = Does this mean that OpenVMS is more or less secure than other-7 OS's, who can say certainly not someone using CERT as a+
 yardstick.   regards@ Andrew HarrisonK   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 11:49:27 +0000iO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>i8 Subject: Re: What Andrew and sun can't stand is that ...0 Message-ID: <btbj07$3u7$3@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:+ > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bsrjl8$4p1$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >  >>Alan E. Feldman wrote: >>i >>>Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com> wrote in message news:<vuks8eigsasq48@corp.supernews.com>...e >>>e >> >> c >>I >>>Also, "Slowaris" is being used in direct response to a Solaris person. E >>>I certainly hope cov participants aren't sending mail to HP peopleoI >>>using terms like Itanic and Chompaq. I guess it's partly just a matter  >>>of common courtesy. >>>I >>: >>Possibly more importantly its being used in a discussion8 >>about OS security where it has absolutely no relevance> >>except as an indication that the person using the derogatory; >>word (if that is what it is) has run out of collateral toh >>support his case.  >>; >>I don't really care if Bob calls Solaris Slowaris it saysv2 >>rather more about him than it does about the OS. >>	 >>Regardst >>Andrew Harrisone >  > B > I also call it convuluted garbage because that is what it is ...  5 You can call it what you like but as you already knowy4 only too well your opinion doesn't count because you1 have never managed to substantiate your BS. Trolla on Bob.e   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:58:53 GMTm# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>O9 Subject: [OT]: Interesting article on search engine toolsnE Message-ID: <NYeKb.3062$bru.475@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>k  L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1212&e=5&u=/ap/20040103/ap_# on_hi_te/seeing_search&sid=95573501-    D Try http://vivisimo.com/ and enter 'openvms' as the search parameter   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.010 ************************