0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 07 Jan 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 13      Contents:! Re: Any downsides to DECnet-Plus? ! Re: Any downsides to DECnet-Plus? ! Re: Any downsides to DECnet-Plus? ! Re: Any downsides to DECnet-Plus? ! Re: Any downsides to DECnet-Plus? ! Re: Any downsides to DECnet-Plus? ! Re: Any downsides to DECnet-Plus? ! Re: Any downsides to DECnet-Plus? 9 Re: autoconfig and Automake (was: re: GNU build tools ??)  Re: Bugcheck - PCAPVCM?  Could OpenVMS-Athlon ever be?  Re: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX Re: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX Re: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX Re: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX Re: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX
 ds10l blowout  Re: end-search next sentence Re: end-search next sentence Re: GNU build tools ??) Re: Interested in learning about OpenVMS. ) Re: Interested in learning about OpenVMS. ) Re: Interested in learning about OpenVMS. ) Re: Interested in learning about OpenVMS. & Re: Is VMS 7.1-2 as stable as 7.1-1H2? Re: new to vms( OT: What M$ and IBM know that hp doesn't Re: password questions Re: password questions Re: password questions Re: password questions Re: QTD-30 SCSI card8 Re: Secure Web Server Version 2.0 available for download8 Re: Secure Web Server Version 2.0 available for download SYS$OUTPUT ? Re: SYS$OUTPUT ? Re: SYS$OUTPUT ? Re: SYS$OUTPUT ? Re: SYS$QIOW problem! Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome ! Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome ! Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome ! Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome $ Woe to VMS if this comes to fruition Re: WTD:  VAX  memory sticks Re: WTD: VAX memory sticks4 Re: [OT] Top posting (was: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:48:10 -0800 3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> * Subject: Re: Any downsides to DECnet-Plus?. Message-ID: <3FFB02EA.6060008@Flying-Disk.com>   Brian Chase wrote:K > When installing my hobbyist VAX systems with 7.3, I'm given the option of E > installing either DECnet-Plus or DECnet Phase IV.  Disregarding the K > resource usage issues, is there any reason why I wouldn't want to go with $ > the default choice of DECnet-Plus?  D During one update, I accepted the default of DECnet-Plus.   Boy, wasE that a mistake!   The documentation is *FAR* below the VMS standards. " In fact, it is downright terrible.  ? I spent several days trying to get it to work, but every time I < fixed one problem, another one cropped up.   It was the most> frustrating experience with DEC software that I have ever had.  A In the end, I ripped it out and replaced it with Phase-IV DECnet, ? which I am still using.   Unless you have a serious need to run @ DECnet-Plus (DECnet over IP, corporate rules, etc.), I recommend* that you don't even *think* of running it.   Alan   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 19:40:45 +0000 (UTC)% From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase) * Subject: Re: Any downsides to DECnet-Plus?( Message-ID: <btf2vs$s0t$1@pcls4.std.com>  O In article <btdpm5$5iu$1@pcls4.std.com>, Brian Chase <bdc@world.std.com> wrote:   K > When installing my hobbyist VAX systems with 7.3, I'm given the option of E > installing either DECnet-Plus or DECnet Phase IV.  Disregarding the K > resource usage issues, is there any reason why I wouldn't want to go with $ > the default choice of DECnet-Plus?  J Thanks for all the helpful feedback.  I think in my case, at least for theF time being, I'll want to use DECnet Phase IV.  On my home LAN, I don'tD foresee any need to run DECnet over IP.  I would like to have TCP/IPI support, so I can run SSH, but there looks to be several freely available  options for that.   I I can always experiment with DECnet-Plus at some future date after I sort A out the basics of VMS system management and simple ethernet based  clustering.    -brian.  --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----+ Font-o-Meter!      Proportional  Monospaced '                                       ^    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:22:36 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* Subject: Re: Any downsides to DECnet-Plus?) Message-ID: <3FFB190B.3AA8CBF1@istop.com>    "John N." wrote:- > What is your experience level with Decnet V - > How much do you like to read documentation? " > How much of a masochist are you?  1 One has to ask the question slightly differently:   G Will spending time re-learning DECNET from scratch provide you with any J valuable skills ? Or should you stick with the simpler, already known realM DECNET and spend time learning technologies such as TCPIP which will give you  more marketable skills ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:34:45 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* Subject: Re: Any downsides to DECnet-Plus?) Message-ID: <3FFB1BE3.99AE8269@istop.com>    Alan Frisbie wrote: A > I spent several days trying to get it to work, but every time I > > fixed one problem, another one cropped up.   It was the most@ > frustrating experience with DEC software that I have ever had.  M At the time, my all mighty Microvax II didn't have a large enough system disk K to contain the bloated DECNET 5, but I did install 5 on my workstation. The N intitial configuration wasn't overly complex and the command procedures set upN the workstation to talk to the microvax II (phase 4) and things seemed to workJ nicely.  I think i was lucky and answered the right questions for a simpleM phase 4 network because I didn't understand many of the foreign concepts that L are specific to phase 5. But I was able to copy files, and do a set host.  IH found myself using NCP emulator a lot (although it isn't 100% complete).  J However, the minute you need to change things, add what used to be networkE objects, and especially find a way to remove constant spurrious OPCOM N messages, then things get nasty because you really have to learn the beast andI read through the books to find out how you can customize the scripts, and F where to add commands to make sure that they are executed last and not- overrided by other commands in other scripts.   M UPgrading from 5 to 4 was quite easy on that one node and I've haven't looked K back since. It was an interesting "experience", and while it is fair to say A that I didn't give 5 enough of a chance, it just wasn't worth it.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 22:14:32 +0000 (UTC)% From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase) * Subject: Re: Any downsides to DECnet-Plus?' Message-ID: <btfc08$kg$1@pcls4.std.com>   ) In article <3FFB190B.3AA8CBF1@istop.com>, , JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: > "John N." wrote:  / > > What is your experience level with Decnet V / > > How much do you like to read documentation? $ > > How much of a masochist are you? > 3 > One has to ask the question slightly differently:  > I > Will spending time re-learning DECNET from scratch provide you with any L > valuable skills ? Or should you stick with the simpler, already known realO > DECNET and spend time learning technologies such as TCPIP which will give you  > more marketable skills ?  D Heh.  Well, in my case, I'm already very familiar with TCP/IP.  It'sE DECnet that's going to be a learning experience for me.  The Phase V  E stuff does look scary.  I've not looked at exactly how the OSI stack  F fits into the picture, but the fact that it's involved at all sends up: lots of warning flags in my mind.  Thar be dragyns here!     -brian.  --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----+ Font-o-Meter!      Proportional  Monospaced '                                       ^    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 22:40:06 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)* Subject: Re: Any downsides to DECnet-Plus?0 Message-ID: <aPGKb.751186$HS4.5888474@attbi_s01>  O In article <btfc08$kg$1@pcls4.std.com>, bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase) writes:  !snip! ! E !Heh.  Well, in my case, I'm already very familiar with TCP/IP.  It's F !DECnet that's going to be a learning experience for me.  The Phase V F !stuff does look scary.  I've not looked at exactly how the OSI stack G !fits into the picture, but the fact that it's involved at all sends up ; !lots of warning flags in my mind.  Thar be dragyns here!    !   H I never used Phase IV before learning Phase V, so my experience has beenE different; although learning Phase V was somewhat daunting, I came to I appreciate the "logic" behind the command structure, and the fact that it K followed the "seven-layer" OSI model made a bit more sense, since I already L understood the model.  I've been "forced" to use Phase IV at my current job,$ and I find the syntax hard to learn.  M If you've never used Phase IV, you might want to give Phase V a try.  I can't H remember if this is a hobbyist situation, but if you are doing this in aM production/supported environment, you will readily get help from hp for Phase C V, whereas Phase IV technically costs additional money for support.    !-brian. !-- G !--- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ ----- , !Font-o-Meter!      Proportional  Monospaced( !                                      ^  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:53:03 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>* Subject: Re: Any downsides to DECnet-Plus?5 Message-ID: <3FFB829F.EE919F4@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>    Brian Chase wrote: > K > When installing my hobbyist VAX systems with 7.3, I'm given the option of E > installing either DECnet-Plus or DECnet Phase IV.  Disregarding the K > resource usage issues, is there any reason why I wouldn't want to go with $ > the default choice of DECnet-Plus?  B As I'm sure someone else must have mentioned, it rather depends onH whether you even NEED DECnet at all (VMS doesn't), if you need something& that is only available in Phase-V, ...  < If you just need basic DECnet, then Phase-IV will do nicely.  E If you need what Phase-V offers, or just want the technical challenge @ (and you *WILL* have challenges!), then go ahead and install it.  F If you don't need DECnet, then just install Phase-IV and never use it.C Some software installs make brash assumptions about the presence of  other software.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 23:56:29 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> * Subject: Re: Any downsides to DECnet-Plus?0 Message-ID: <24KdnaQ6XNziDGaiRVn-tA@comcast.com>  F Well, I found DECnet Plus a nightmare to work with after having spent I many years working with DECnet phase IV.   If you don't know either one,  H flip a coin.  If you already know phase IV and don't need anything more  than that go with phase IV.   E The primary problem with DECnet Plus for phase IV users is that they  H invented a whole new terminology and tried to support every concievable B mode of communication from tin cans and string  to communications C satellites.  If all you need is Ethernet all the rest of the stuff  9 simply gets in the way of learning what you need to know.   E The only DECnet Plus documentation I ever saw,  sucked!  The authors  E were so damned proud of their damned layers, stacks, and towers that  K they never got around to explaining how to use them before I lost patience.   I And, of course, TCP/IP became a defacto standard while the committee was  E arguing about the OSI standard.  Some people use it but other than a  H brief stint at McGraw-Hill, I never worked for an employer that used it.   Brian Chase wrote:  J >When installing my hobbyist VAX systems with 7.3, I'm given the option ofD >installing either DECnet-Plus or DECnet Phase IV.  Disregarding theJ >resource usage issues, is there any reason why I wouldn't want to go with# >the default choice of DECnet-Plus?  >  >-brian. >    >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:13:43 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) B Subject: Re: autoconfig and Automake (was: re: GNU build tools ??)2 Message-ID: <byFKb.11716$cX.1015@news.cpqcorp.net>  E In article <3ffac944@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "ASDF" <ASDF@ASDF> writes: K :Can somebody out here provide me the pointer to GNU build tools (automake,  :autoconf etc...) on VMS?   D   I've seen only partial implementations -- autoconf and friends areD   comparatively difficult to port (given dependencies on the commandG   shell and the libraries) and given that specific implementations also C   tend to require manual tweaking and platform-specific operations.   H   The base tool tends to assume most of the Gnu tool-stack is available.  C   I do appreciate the concept and the intent of the tools, however.   F   I did try to get one DCL-based autoconf implementation for inclusion.   on Freeware V6.0, but the tool wasn't ready.  G   For general hobbyist and Freeware development, a suite of development E   tools and compilers are available via the OpenVMS Hobbyist program, H   for those interested.  (Please see the OpenVMS FAQ for various details   and pointers.)  D   As you are apparently posting from within HP but are cloaking yourF   identity, please contact me off-line -- we can discuss other optionsB   and alternatives, and I can provide you with various HP-internal    pointers and support channels.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:26:59 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  Subject: Re: Bugcheck - PCAPVCM?6 Message-ID: <3FFB7C83.CC0F4010@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Wayne Sewell wrote:  > ( > >Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 21:06:30 -0600C > >From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  > >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms# > >Subject: Re: Bugcheck - PCAPVCM?  > E > >... but when you're "wedded" to an app. that only runs on V4.5, or 5 > >V5.5-2 or ... and nothing else, whaddaya gonna do?  > J > Not much *after* the fact.  There are ways to prevent it from happening. > O > The people who get themselves into that situation have apparently never heard P > of software escrow, where a third party holds the source code for a product in1 > case the software company goes out of business.   E The challenge, of course, is finding a software company willing to go  along with that.  Q > AFAIK, not many of our customers set it up, but some do.  Just a few weeks ago, P > I gave one of the support people instructions on how to package up the sourcesL > for transfer to the escrow entity, so presumably somebody had requested an > escrow agreement.   1 T'would be quite a challenge with OVMS Engr., no?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 22:03:51 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>& Subject: Could OpenVMS-Athlon ever be?6 Message-ID: <3FFB8527.AC96384F@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  - I ask because this arrived in my inbox today:   > http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/01/06/HNathlonchips_1.html   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:37:51 -0800 3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> % Subject: Re: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX . Message-ID: <3FFB007F.8000805@Flying-Disk.com>   Guy Peleg wrote:  M > I have added the ability to create and delete mailboxes from DCL (permanent  > and temporary) using : >  > $ CREATE/MAILBOX > $ DELETE/MAILBOX  @ Guy, I really appreciate the work you are doing on DCL.   I onlyD wish you had done this three years ago when I really needed it.  :-)  ? I especially like the way you toss out ideas for discussion and @ accept ideas from the group.   You can't do what everyone wants,- but at least we know that you listened to us.    Thanks,  Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:11:53 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>% Subject: Re: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX ) Message-ID: <3FFB1689.578524C3@istop.com>    Guy Peleg wrote:H > WRITE/NOWAIT is also coming. This will allow a process to write into a > mailbox without waiting  > for a reader.   M What would be really nice if if one could CTRL-Y out of a READ (from mailbox) H and have it work. As it stands, the only safe way is to get onto anotherM terminal and open that mailbox and send a "hello world" message to it so that ( the first process can complete its read.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:39:45 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>% Subject: Re: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX 6 Message-ID: <3FFB7F81.8299C6D3@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Guy Peleg wrote: > D > Logical name is required. Here is the list of supported qualifiers >  > /PERMANENT   Requires PRMMBX priv., eh?  , > /TEMPORARY ! If omitted, temporary is used  F Question: if temporary, who holds the channel open that makes it stick around?    > /MESSAGE_SIZE  >  > /BUFFER_SIZE > 
 > /PROTECTION  >  > /LOG   Is /NOLOG the default?  H Also, how 'bout /TABLE=table_name to modify the target table of the LNM?) (with an appropriate default, of course).   J > I'm not sure about V7.2 image. If backporting the code won't be too much > trouble...then you ever know.   D What "back-port", unless you're doing this as cliroutines instead of> IMAGEs? (...which would answer the /TEMPORARY question above.)  D Here's some code folks can use as an example of external images with .CLDs for the modified verbs:   . http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/vmspipe.zip  G I don't believe there's any copyright in there, but if you look closely E you'll see that I hacked up some MACRO/32 code from SYS$EXAMPLES many G years ago and combined it with another example or two I downloaded from  the VAXforum on CompuServe.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:41:21 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>% Subject: Re: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX 6 Message-ID: <3FFB7FE1.87EDBC79@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Guy Peleg wrote: > 	 > BTW....  > H > WRITE/NOWAIT is also coming. This will allow a process to write into a > mailbox without waiting  > for a reader.   , BRAVO!!! Three Cheers and a Tiger for Guy!!!   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:44:25 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>% Subject: Re: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX 6 Message-ID: <3FFB8099.5F1A518D@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Guy Peleg wrote:J > > WRITE/NOWAIT is also coming. This will allow a process to write into a > > mailbox without waiting  > > for a reader.  > O > What would be really nice if if one could CTRL-Y out of a READ (from mailbox) J > and have it work. As it stands, the only safe way is to get onto anotherO > terminal and open that mailbox and send a "hello world" message to it so that * > the first process can complete its read.  H "Safe"? Well, if the READ can handle an EOF, OPEN and CLOSE from anotherE process will work, also. It results in the READ terminating in an EOF E condition. I've even used that to free processes wedged in MWAIT on a 
 mailbox read.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:11:34 -0500% From: "DAVID TURNER" <DAVID@HPAQ.NET>  Subject: ds10l blowout/ Message-ID: <vvmg55p2s3a74e@news.supernews.com>    ds10l 466mhz 256mb compaq memory  30GB IDE 7200rpm disk  dual serial port (com1 console) 
 parallel port  usb port 1 open 32/64 bit pci slot   ( Only $595 for COMP.OS.VMS customers only  L (A license is required to run VMS - get one at www.montagar.com for hobbyist use)  " One hell of a hobbyist system !!!!     --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 201 0402 , Email (SPAMproofed) dbturner@islandco.nospam (replace nospam with .com)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 03:35:56 GMT  From: tutor_nospam_@cfl.rr.com% Subject: Re: end-search next sentence 8 Message-ID: <vdvmvv0id70lvgnungs7vub7hqt0j9gadc@4ax.com>   thanks for the spam paul.      when you go to the library,      do you become afraid? !     because the books have spines     and you DON'T  *    ps: thank you for assuming i am a "SIR"$    add sexist pig to your resume....   >Sir,  > @ >You are seriously in need of learning how this newsgroup works.I >It's about give and take, but you seem to be either a pure taker or have & >a sever lack of communication skills. > E >_I_ know that you are talking COBOL, but I'm not so sure that anyone H >else does. Please make sure in future that you at least tell folks whatH >language you are using, and also which version of VMS and the compiler.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 03:32:06 GMT 1 From: tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com (_removespam_) % Subject: Re: end-search next sentence 8 Message-ID: <65vmvv8buvdq3dl6sd4pc0s41u8kk8s7rl@4ax.com>   I read the same manual.    It appears to say:  
     search       when       end-search     #    but if you have TWO when clauses 	    search 	      when 8      when next sentence.  << the period is necessary....     ;    ---but you are NOT allowed to end it with an end-search.   D so much for digital manuals. only good if one already knows what oneF is doing - not much good if one is trying to actually LEARN something!% yeah, its cheating. but who has time?      my work around? (   perform search-it thru search-it-exit.  
 search-it.
     search        when next sentence         when whatever.  search-it-exit. 
      exit.  * On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:16:30 +0000, wrote:  ? >From $ HELP COBOL PROCED SEARCH on Alpha VMS 7.1-2, Cobol V2.6  >  >COBOL >  >  PROCEDURE_DIVISION  >  >    SEARCH  >  >      1format_serial  > @ >         The SEARCH statement searches for a table element that >satisfies aH >         condition.  It sets the value of the associated index to point >to the  >         table element. >  >         Format 1 - > @ >          SEARCH src-table [ VARYING pointr ] [ AT END stment ] > 5 >             { {WHEN cond stment} ... END-SEARCH   } 5 >             {                                     } 5 >             { {WHEN cond { stment        } }      } 5 >             { {          { NEXT SENTENCE } } ...  }  >  > 0 >So it would appear that it does (here at least) >  >Ade >  >_removespam_ wrote: >  >> vax allowed >>    search
 >>       when  >>         next sentence
 >>       when  >>    end-search >>! >> dec / alpha will not allow it.  >> >> what is the work around? ? >> email   tutor_nospam_@cfl.rr.com (remove the _nospam_ first)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 00:20:51 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>  Subject: Re: GNU build tools ?? 0 Message-ID: <lYidnYJs3aWpCmaiRVn-tw@comcast.com>  H None that I know of.  You could try to port the Unix versions.  Lots of  luck!    ASDF wrote:   K >Can somebody out here provide me the pointer to GNU build tools (automake,  >autoconf etc...) on VMS?  >  >  >    >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 19:44:18 -0500  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>2 Subject: Re: Interested in learning about OpenVMS.6 Message-ID: <1040106193817.33368C-100000@Ives.egh.com>  - On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Richard B. Gilbert wrote:   H > Amazon doesn't list the Hoffman-Miller-Baldwin book yet.  I found the I > details on the Winston book and Miller's "Getting Started with OpenVMS  , > System Management" and added them as well.  E That's kind of wierd, since I bought it from Amazon!  (Ordered in the & spring, finally delivered in November.  , It is listed with Baldwin as the 1st author.   ISBN: 1555582435       --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:00:38 -0600 ( From: Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com>2 Subject: Re: Interested in learning about OpenVMS./ Message-ID: <vvmtiq97098t4d@corp.supernews.com>   ' On 1/6/2004 6:44 PM, John Santos wrote:   / > On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  >  > H >>Amazon doesn't list the Hoffman-Miller-Baldwin book yet.  I found the I >>details on the Winston book and Miller's "Getting Started with OpenVMS  , >>System Management" and added them as well. >  > G > That's kind of wierd, since I bought it from Amazon!  (Ordered in the ( > spring, finally delivered in November. > . > It is listed with Baldwin as the 1st author. >  > ISBN: 1555582435 >  >  >   F Good to see that it's out finally. Unfortunately, Amazon doesn't have G the current edition on-line for browsing the table of contents, index,   excerpts, etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 00:02:34 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> 2 Subject: Re: Interested in learning about OpenVMS.0 Message-ID: <jeKdndMFb-hxD2ai4p2dnA@comcast.com>  D Ok, I've added Baldwin-Hoffman-Milller's book to the bibliography.   Thanks for the info.   Martin Vorlaender wrote:   >Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >    >  >>Mike Duffy wrote:  >>     >> >>>Richard B. Gilbert wrote:	 >>>        >>> D >>>>Any of the introductory texts listed here should help. I suspectD >>>>that most of them are out of print. You can probably find one or' >>>>more in Amazon's used book service.  >>>>G >>>>This bibliography is based on postings to the Info-VAX mailing list > >>>>by Professor David D. Miller, Arne Vajhoj and others, withA >>>>additions, corrections, and formatting by Richard B. Gilbert.  >>>>F >>>>Some books may appear in more than one category. Some books may be >>>>out of print.  >>>>, >>>>Introduction to VAX/VMS - for new users. >>>>D >>>>Bynon, David W. and Shannon, Terry C. "Introduction to VAX/VMS".F >>>>Cardinal Business Media Peters, James, F. III. and Holmay, Patrick2 >>>>J. "The VMS User's Guide". Digital Press, 1990 >>>>" >>>>[Remaining entries deleted...] >>>>         >>>> >>> Richard, >>> G >>> That's a pretty complete list you have there. Thanks for taking the C >>> time to maintain and post it. Please note there are a couple of  >>> updates to make: >>> D >>> Duffy, Michael D. "Getting Started with OpenVMS". Digital Press,( >>> 2002, ~300 pages. ISBN 1-55558-279-6 >>> B >>> Also note that David Miller and Steve Hoffman have updated the= >>> Baldwin "OpenVMS System Management Guide". It's just out.  >>> 1-55558-243-5  >>> = >>> Miller's "Getting Started with OpenVMS System Management" @ >>> (1-55558-281-8) seems to be a subset of the updated Baldwin. >>> D >>> And don't forget Winston's "OpenVMS with Apache, OSU, and WASD". >>> 1-55558-264-8.	 >>>        >>>  >>Mike,  >>D >>I've added your book to the bibliography; that's the first time inH >>several years that I've updated it.  I stopped following the newsgroupG >>about four years ago due to the high noise level; it consumed far too # >>much of my time.  It still does!!  >>G >>The rest of the information you provided is a little too slim to make E >>a decent entry. I need the names of all the authors, as they appear < >>on the title page, the exact title, the publisher, and theD >>publication date. If ISBN numbers or "order numbers" are available >>I'll include those as well.  >>G >>Amazon doesn't list the Hoffman-Miller-Baldwin book yet.  I found the H >>details on the Winston book and Miller's "Getting Started with OpenVMS, >>System Management" and added them as well. >>     >> > I >If you go to the Digital Press Bookstores (e.g. via the OpenVMS homepage = >http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/) you'll find all of the books:  > . >Lawrence Baldwin, Steve Hoffman, David Miller0 >OpenVMS System Management Guide, Second Edition >ISBN: 1555582435  >Published: 20 Nov 2003  >  >David Miller 0 >Getting Started with OpenVMS System Management  >ISBN: 1555582818  >Published: 8 May 2003 >  >Alan Winston < >OpenVMS with Apache, WASD, and OSU - The Nonstop Webserver  >ISBN: 1555582648  >Published: 24 Oct 2002  > . >Too bad the 30% discount period just ended... >  >cu,	 >  Martin  >    >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 00:15:55 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> 2 Subject: Re: Interested in learning about OpenVMS.0 Message-ID: <lYidnYNs3aWRC2aiRVn-tw@comcast.com>  F I got the information needed for the bibliography from another poster ) here.  I've added it to the bibliography.    David D Miller wrote:    >  > 	 >Richard:  > 7 >Search Amazon for OpenVMS Management.  You'll find it.  >  >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1555582435/qid=1073396717/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-6619155-8414427?v=glance&s=books  > 1 >Both books have a pretty extensive bibliography.  >  >dave. >  >  >Richard Gilbert wrote ... >  >Mike, > C >I've added your book to the bibliography; that's the first time in G >several years that I've updated it.  I stopped following the newsgroup F >about four years ago due to the high noise level; it consumed far too" >much of my time.  It still does!! > H >The rest of the information you provided is a little too slim to make aI >decent entry. I need the names of all the authors, as they appear on the F >title page, the exact title, the publisher, and the publication date.G >If ISBN numbers or "order numbers" are available I'll include those as  >well. > F >Amazon doesn't list the Hoffman-Miller-Baldwin book yet.  I found theG >details on the Winston book and Miller's "Getting Started with OpenVMS + >System Management" and added them as well.  >  >Mike Duffy wrote: >  >    > 6 >>>-----Original Message----- From: Richard B. GilbertC >>>[mailto:rgilbert88@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 ? >>>8:23 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com Subject: Re: Interested in  >>>learning about OpenVMS. >>>  >>>  >>> C >>>Any of the introductory texts listed here should help. I suspect C >>>that most of them are out of print. You can probably find one or & >>>more in Amazon's used book service. >>> F >>>This bibliography is based on postings to the Info-VAX mailing list= >>>by Professor David D. Miller, Arne Vajhoj and others, with @ >>>additions, corrections, and formatting by Richard B. Gilbert. >>> E >>>Some books may appear in more than one category. Some books may be  >>>out of print. >>> + >>>Introduction to VAX/VMS - for new users.  >>> C >>>Bynon, David W. and Shannon, Terry C. "Introduction to VAX/VMS". E >>>Cardinal Business Media Peters, James, F. III. and Holmay, Patrick 1 >>>J. "The VMS User's Guide". Digital Press, 1990  >>> ! >>>[Remaining entries deleted...] 	 >>>        >>>  >> Richard,  >>F >> That's a pretty complete list you have there. Thanks for taking theB >> time to maintain and post it. Please note there are a couple of >> updates to make:  >>C >> Duffy, Michael D. "Getting Started with OpenVMS". Digital Press, ' >> 2002, ~300 pages. ISBN 1-55558-279-6  >>A >> Also note that David Miller and Steve Hoffman have updated the < >> Baldwin "OpenVMS System Management Guide". It's just out. >> 1-55558-243-5 >>< >> Miller's "Getting Started with OpenVMS System Management"? >> (1-55558-281-8) seems to be a subset of the updated Baldwin.  >>C >> And don't forget Winston's "OpenVMS with Apache, OSU, and WASD".  >> 1-55558-264-8.J >> >> -Mike Duffy >> >>     >> >n >t >  >  n >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:02:20 -0600i@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>/ Subject: Re: Is VMS 7.1-2 as stable as 7.1-1H2?D6 Message-ID: <3FFB76BC.34FDD86E@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Bob Ceculski wrote:l > [snip]? > I will run on a test box before implementing, but I just wante- > some feedback on the stability of 7.1-2 ...   G I ran V7.1-2 until I needed stuff that didn't appear or stabilize untilL V7.2-x or later.   -- & David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 23:41:45 -0500i3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>O Subject: Re: new to vmsi0 Message-ID: <wrOdnVvZ5-yWE2aiRVn-hQ@comcast.com>  G OpenVMS runs on machines ranging from desktop workstations to hardware  F that will support thousands of simultaneous users.  You can pick up a A used Alphastation 200 on e-Bay  for less than $100.  You can get  E hobbiest licenses to run VMS and many layered products on it.  Other vE newer and faster Alphastations are available for more money; about a  G year ago I bought an Alphastation 600 5/300 for under $400 and spent a  F couple hundred more to juice it up with 256MB of third party memory.  H Just make certain that you buy a model that will run VMS; some were for  Windows NT only.  H You can also get used VAX hardware in desktop or deskside sizes.  These I will also run VMS.  I don't recommend it because they are really slow by -I today's standards but somebody might even pay you to haul one away!  VAX bB hardware is also available in larger sizes to support hundreds of  simultaneous users.-   Ramiro Rodriguez wrote:g  I >Hello I just read about VMS and I am curious about it. I head that it isiK >adying out and it is only used on mainframe machines. Even so I would likehH >to try it out. Is there any sort of emulator or some way to play around- >with it without actually buying a mainframe?h >e >-RR >  P >?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 22:02:16 -0600h@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>1 Subject: OT: What M$ and IBM know that hp doesn'te6 Message-ID: <3FFB84C8.3C9B2FC6@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  G In a recent post to someone at hp/OpenVMS, I made mention of what otherx companies know that hp doesn't.    This arrived in my inbox today:p= http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/01/06/HNmslinuxads_1.htmli   Draw your own conclusions...   -- e David J. DachteraP dba DJE SystemsI http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2004 12:55:56 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen): Subject: Re: password questions?3 Message-ID: <2NTOgL5ujinT@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  q In article <n39$9xyyjSEJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: V > In article <bte2iv$ak0$1@lore.csc.com>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> writes: >>> M >>> When they exceed the cache size, they are forced into password generationtH >>> mode, which for most guarantees they will never try _that_ again :-) >> fI >> Until now, I thought when it came to security, Hoff was pretty evil ineG >> the making things difficult for the smart alec users department, buttE >> this is close enough that you could also call "Frogstar" home. :-)t > J >    I only had one user actually try that.  I only had to fix his account% >    once.  Word gets around quickly.r  D To maximize the learning experience, however, one should not set theC cache size from 60 down to 5, but rather should set it _up_ to somedC very large number.  That way would-be transgressors get the maximum ' finger exercise before they are foiled.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:02:33 GMT,# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)F Subject: Re: password questions>2 Message-ID: <JnFKb.11712$cX.8421@news.cpqcorp.net>  T In article <bte2iv$ak0$1@lore.csc.com>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> writes: :Larry Kilgallen wrote:u :>L :> When they exceed the cache size, they are forced into password generationG :> mode, which for most guarantees they will never try _that_ again :-)e :iG :Until now, I thought when it came to security, Hoff was pretty evil in E :the making things difficult for the smart alec users department, buteC :this is close enough that you could also call "Frogstar" home. :-)l  G   The generated-password selection process -- when the password history4D   buffer mechanism was over-run -- was a day-one part of the OpenVMSE   password history mechanisms.  Neither Larry (AFAIK) nor I can claim /   any responsibility for the particular design.t  E   Discussions of generated passwords and password filters are in the oF   OpenVMS manuals, and Ask The Wizard topics including (1475), (1645),F   (3233), (4303), (4612), (4778), (6328), and (7818).  Also please see#   the OpenVMS FAQ section entitled:   9     How to prevent users from choosing obvious passwords?r    iN  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqmN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:17:40 -0500< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: password questions 9 Message-ID: <btfc66$6fd16$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>d   John N. wrote: > ...a: >     1. Can we FORCE alphanumeric passwords?  I know that alphanumeric= > passwords are supported, but under VMS can we FORCE the usea of atd4 > least one alpha character and at least one numeric
 character? >  ...  > You already have answers to your questions, but I have to ask;< Why do some people always want to force at least one number?  > I wrote a utility to find an user's password by brute force to< prove a point to someone. The call to SYS$HASH_PASSWORD took; the greatest amount of time, so I added a /NUMERIC_REQUIRED,< qualifier so I did not have to call SYS$HASH_PASSWORD if the> test password did not include a number. If the password length: was less than 10 characters and it contained a number then> most passwords could be guessed in a day or so. If the account9 was set to have PWDMINIMUM=12 and you did not know if thet> password contained a number or not then the program was pretty well worthless.e  ; So if you really want to add security to your systems, tell > them that all systems should require a password be at least 128 characters :)  (I think Windows 2000 tells you that your< password is TOO SHORT if you give it a password that is over> 12 (or is it 15?) characters, I guess the programmers were too< lazy to test what error they got if they tried to set a real
 password.)   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.a Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.cat   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2004 16:30:41 -0600f- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)h Subject: Re: password questions 3 Message-ID: <sSYO$4hv1tyF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   x In article <btfc66$6fd16$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:  > > Why do some people always want to force at least one number?  7 Because some operating systems offer that as a control.-  = > So if you really want to add security to your systems, tell @ > them that all systems should require a password be at least 12 > characters  C Apparently the VMS designers shared your opinion of the (non-)valuenA of requiring a digit, since one must use a custom policy to forcee that on VMS.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2004 16:30:42 -0800/. From: send_lotsa_spam_here@yahoo.com (Soterro) Subject: Re: QTD-30 SCSI card < Message-ID: <1a63f162.0401061630.254a96d@posting.google.com>  G sms@antinode.org wrote in message news:<04010611034385@antinode.org>...l, > From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>0 > > Where did you put the card in the backplane?	 > > [...]eJ >    As I recall (and it's been a while), in the VAX 4000-300, dual-heightF > cards must go in the top half of the quad-height slots.  (There were  A Unfortunately it is in the first position on the right already. IeC thought about this and removed the other qbus cards, but as you canmE see nothing showed up. OK, the card itself IS actually showing up, sodF I have its two names (the disk and the tape device) when issuing 'show@ devices', it's just not getting any cdrom device attached to it.F Should the cdrom have any particular configuration (id?)in order to beB detected? I have no idea how to test whether there's a qbus vector; conflict or anything else which could prevent the card fromrA functioning properly... (even then, I still have no idea what the. switches on it are for)-F Uh oh. Could be the two connectors dedicated, and I was using the tapeF channel? It's quite annoying to not find any documentation on the card ;)  ' Still stuck but thanks for helping out,  S    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:24:38 -0800 0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>A Subject: Re: Secure Web Server Version 2.0 available for download ' Message-ID: <3ffaef56$1@cpns1.saic.com>r   Sue Skonetski wrote:? > Announcing HP Secure Web Server Version 2.0 for OpenVMS Alphas? > -------------------------------------------------------------k > G > Hewlett-Packard is pleased to announce the availability of Secure WebiD > Server (SWS)2.0. SWS 2.0 is based on Apache 2.0.47 from the ApacheE > Software Foundation. This is the first version of Apache to supportn > the IPv6 network protocol. >   > Minimum software requirements: > * >     OpenVMS 7.3-1 (with latest CRTL ECO)5 >     ODS-5 for installation and document directories  >     TCP/IP 5.3  ! and this, from the release notes:t  F "The Secure Web Server Version 2.0 kit requires that all served files  must be in Stream_LF format."y   WHY?!h  G CSWS V1.3 happily served any format file.  The C RTL will happily read aI any RMS format.  Why this restriction?  Please note that this means that  H the V2.0 webserver is no longer able to serve the VMS documentation CDs 5 since the HTML files are in "variable length" format.e  H C'mon, folks.  Isn't this carrying Unix compatibility a wee bit too far?  
 Mark Berrymana   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:01:03 -0600-@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>A Subject: Re: Secure Web Server Version 2.0 available for downloads6 Message-ID: <3FFB766F.DE20B8A5@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Mark Berryman wrote: >  > Sue Skonetski wrote:A > > Announcing HP Secure Web Server Version 2.0 for OpenVMS AlphatA > > -------------------------------------------------------------a > >yI > > Hewlett-Packard is pleased to announce the availability of Secure Web F > > Server (SWS)2.0. SWS 2.0 is based on Apache 2.0.47 from the ApacheG > > Software Foundation. This is the first version of Apache to support  > > the IPv6 network protocol. > > " > > Minimum software requirements: > >s, > >     OpenVMS 7.3-1 (with latest CRTL ECO)7 > >     ODS-5 for installation and document directories  > >     TCP/IP 5.3 > # > and this, from the release notes:a > G > "The Secure Web Server Version 2.0 kit requires that all served filesk > must be in Stream_LF format."g >  > WHY?!e > H > CSWS V1.3 happily served any format file.  The C RTL will happily readJ > any RMS format.  Why this restriction?  Please note that this means thatI > the V2.0 webserver is no longer able to serve the VMS documentation CDs 7 > since the HTML files are in "variable length" format.s > J > C'mon, folks.  Isn't this carrying Unix compatibility a wee bit too far?  A I'd be the last to know, but my first guess would be an effort toi minimize the porting effort.   -- e David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsg http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:02:50 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>o Subject: SYS$OUTPUT ?d9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIIEMECJAA.tom@kednos.com>e  ' I have a script which starts as followsc   $ SET VERIFY $ define sys$output results.logu $ SHOW TIMEe $ DEFINE TESTIN [] $ PLI BENCH1+timer
 $ LINK BENCH1n $ RUN BENCH1 $ PLI BENCH2+TIMER
 $ LINK BENCH2p $ RUN BENCH2 .u .o .a    . Now when I look at the log file it appears as, $ SHOW TIMEc    6-JAN-2004 12:34:28 $ DEFINE TESTIN []> %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TESTIN has been superseded $ PLI BENCH1+timer
 $ LINK BENCH1e $ RUN BENCH1    J BENCHMARK 1 - TWO AND THREE DIMENSIONAL SLOW VECTOR      DOT PRODUCT - VAX PL/I .o .p .i  G But when I try to read it with emacs the files ends right after the 7tht line,L $ RUN BENCH1  I so looking at the dump I note that there is a STX followed by a null byte.- immediately following BENCH1, as shown below,m  <  00454D49 5420574F 48532024 8D01000D ....$ SHOW TIME. 000000<  3030322D 4E414A2D 36202020 8D010018 ....   6-JAN-200 000010<  20248D01 00143832 3A34333A 32312034 4 12:34:28....$  000020<  5D5B204E 49545345 5420454E 49464544 DEFINE TESTIN [] 000030<  52455055 532D492D 4C434425 8D010040 @...%DCL-I-SUPER 000040<  76207375 6F697665 7270202C 45444553 SEDE, previous v 000050<  68204E49 54534554 20666F20 65756C61 alue of TESTIN h 000060<  64657372 65707573 206E6565 62207361 as been supersed 000070<  434E4542 20494C50 20248D01 00146465 ed....$ PLI BENC 000080<  494C2024 8D01000F 72656D69 742B3148 H1+timer....$ LI 000090<  20248D01 000E0031 48434E45 42204B4E NK BENCH1.....$  0000A0<  00020001 00023148 434E4542 204E5552 RUN BENCH1...... 0000B0  K Notepad reads the file without problem.  Anybody know what's going on here?  ---m& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/2004l   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2004 16:27:35 -0600i- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)k Subject: Re: SYS$OUTPUT ?m3 Message-ID: <QPf57gkLjaPT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIIEMECJAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:e   > $ LINK BENCH1  > $ RUN BENCH1 >  > L > BENCHMARK 1 - TWO AND THREE DIMENSIONAL SLOW VECTOR      DOT PRODUCT - VAX > PL/I > .s > .  > .t > I > But when I try to read it with emacs the files ends right after the 7th  > line,d > $ RUN BENCH1 > K > so looking at the dump I note that there is a STX followed by a null bytel/ > immediately following BENCH1, as shown below,i > > >  00454D49 5420574F 48532024 8D01000D ....$ SHOW TIME. 000000> >  3030322D 4E414A2D 36202020 8D010018 ....   6-JAN-200 000010> >  20248D01 00143832 3A34333A 32312034 4 12:34:28....$  000020> >  5D5B204E 49545345 5420454E 49464544 DEFINE TESTIN [] 000030> >  52455055 532D492D 4C434425 8D010040 @...%DCL-I-SUPER 000040> >  76207375 6F697665 7270202C 45444553 SEDE, previous v 000050> >  68204E49 54534554 20666F20 65756C61 alue of TESTIN h 000060> >  64657372 65707573 206E6565 62207361 as been supersed 000070> >  434E4542 20494C50 20248D01 00146465 ed....$ PLI BENC 000080> >  494C2024 8D01000F 72656D69 742B3148 H1+timer....$ LI 000090> >  20248D01 000E0031 48434E45 42204B4E NK BENCH1.....$  0000A0> >  00020001 00023148 434E4542 204E5552 RUN BENCH1...... 0000B0 > M > Notepad reads the file without problem.  Anybody know what's going on here?   I It seems Emacs treats that line with byte 1 followed by byte 0 as somehowiH special.  Not knowing Emacs, I don't know if that is right or wrong, butD obviously it is sub-optimal for reading the log from this particular batch job..F   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:58:15 -0600L@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: SYS$OUTPUT ?e6 Message-ID: <3FFB83D7.B7BBF3AF@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Tom Linden wrote:) > ) > I have a script which starts as followsI >  > $ SET VERIFY! > $ define sys$output results.log 
 > $ SHOW TIMEy > $ DEFINE TESTIN [] > $ PLI BENCH1+timer > $ LINK BENCH1  > $ RUN BENCH1 > $ PLI BENCH2+TIMER > $ LINK BENCH2s > $ RUN BENCH2 > .  > .t > .s > 0 > Now when I look at the log file it appears as,
 > $ SHOW TIME  >    6-JAN-2004 12:34:28 > $ DEFINE TESTIN []@ > %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TESTIN has been superseded > $ PLI BENCH1+timer > $ LINK BENCH1m > $ RUN BENCH1 > L > BENCHMARK 1 - TWO AND THREE DIMENSIONAL SLOW VECTOR      DOT PRODUCT - VAX > PL/I > .  > .: > .R > I > But when I try to read it with emacs the files ends right after the 7th  > line,a > $ RUN BENCH1 > K > so looking at the dump I note that there is a STX followed by a null bytem/ > immediately following BENCH1, as shown below,y > > >  00454D49 5420574F 48532024 8D01000D ....$ SHOW TIME. 000000> >  3030322D 4E414A2D 36202020 8D010018 ....   6-JAN-200 000010> >  20248D01 00143832 3A34333A 32312034 4 12:34:28....$  000020> >  5D5B204E 49545345 5420454E 49464544 DEFINE TESTIN [] 000030> >  52455055 532D492D 4C434425 8D010040 @...%DCL-I-SUPER 000040> >  76207375 6F697665 7270202C 45444553 SEDE, previous v 000050> >  68204E49 54534554 20666F20 65756C61 alue of TESTIN h 000060> >  64657372 65707573 206E6565 62207361 as been supersed 000070> >  434E4542 20494C50 20248D01 00146465 ed....$ PLI BENC 000080> >  494C2024 8D01000F 72656D69 742B3148 H1+timer....$ LI 000090> >  20248D01 000E0031 48434E45 42204B4E NK BENCH1.....$  0000A0> >  00020001 00023148 434E4542 204E5552 RUN BENCH1...... 0000B0 > M > Notepad reads the file without problem.  Anybody know what's going on here?o    Say, "null-terminated string"...   -- u David J. Dachtera. dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2004 22:49:05 -0600P- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s Subject: Re: SYS$OUTPUT ?x3 Message-ID: <GM8vaaM8b$v+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   y In article <3FFB83D7.B7BBF3AF@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:o > Tom Linden wrote:d  ? >>  00020001 00023148 434E4542 204E5552 RUN BENCH1...... 0000B0n >>  N >> Notepad reads the file without problem.  Anybody know what's going on here? > " > Say, "null-terminated string"...  ! From PL/I ?     Sounds unnatural.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 00:06:50 -0500-3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>: Subject: Re: SYS$QIOW problema0 Message-ID: <lYidnYBs3aVxDmaiRVn-tw@comcast.com>  I It looks as if you have problem with your network.  The system is trying AG to tell you that it can't communicate with another DECnet node that it  H needs to communicatie with.  The other node may have been shut down, or " the network connection has failed.   Yong Boon, Lim wrote:e   >Hello,! > K >        One of the processes running on OpenVMS have been running well fori >past few year untilloG >        recently, it run for a while then stop itself due to the error- >SS$_UNREACHABLE (The L >        remote node is currently unreachable.), SS$_LINKDISCON (The network >partner task disconnectedL >        the logical link.) or SS$_UNREACHABLE (The remote node is currently >unreachable.) while! >        using function SYS$QIOW.A >iH >        What're the possible causes of the problem? How do l verify the >causes? And how do l rectify  >        the problem?e >y! >        Thank you in advance! :>  >E >Your Best Regards,  >Yong Boon, Lim  >i >t >    >    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2004 11:44:34 -0800x1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) * Subject: Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0401061144.19d36a5c@posting.google.com>m  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3FF9D532.711D06AD@istop.com>...vH > I would assume that this will help Stallard with his plans to move VMS > customer to HP-UX over time.  @ Scott came from pre-merger HP, which competed against VMS and ofC course wanted to move VMS users to HP-UX (although they didn't have-A much success in that area, of course, for reasons familiar to VMSRB fans).  He made an early comment that was in error and was quicklyB retracted.  Since then he has been very supportive of VMS, both in= public statements and in private actions.  So it's unfair andlD unsupported by the record to characterize him as wanting to move VMS users to HP-UX today.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:43:13 -0500t* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* Subject: Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome) Message-ID: <3FFB1DDF.BB75132A@istop.com>e   Keith Parris wrote:2D > fans).  He made an early comment that was in error and was quickly > retracted.    M You can view it that way. But from a customer point of view, we had been tolduN for the whole merger pregnancy that VMS customers would have to wait until theK merger is signed before we know of the fate of VMS (while all other OSs hadhL been discussed openly during that time). We were also told, MANY TIMES, thatK the day the emrger is signed, we'd have the complete, precise roadmap which E had been carefully prepared over the many months and had been vetted.i  N One that oen day of merger (May 7th) the infamous Stallard memo comes out. You< say it was a mistake ? I wsay it had been planned that way.   L And no, the statement was not retracted. It was erased. With no mention thatM the document had been updated.  Of course, there was absolutely no excuse forkI Stallard to ever write that statement so there was no way for Stallard toiN concuct some excuse had he made a public retraction. So it was swept under the rug to minimize the damage.r  M Stallard had 9 months to prepare this memo. Marcello also participated in it.8K Marcello could (and may) have told Stallard it was a big mistake to includes/ that statement. Yet, it still made it to press.r  J Worse yet, the first revision didn't eliminate the concept of migrating toK unix, it changed the "we expect VMS customers to migrate to UNIX" to "we'llO4 help VMS customers migrate to UNIX if they want to".   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:15:24 -00004 From: "Chris Casey" <chris.caseyNOSPAM@ntlworld.com>* Subject: Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome? Message-ID: <ycIKb.18822$FN.3741@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>   K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>r  wrote in message news:btequj$ed11 > You are right I was confusing vPars with nPars.P >B	 > regardsE > Andrew Harrison. >,  C Shock -- horror---  , Andrew admits he is wrong about something <G>    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:19:38 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>* Subject: Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome6 Message-ID: <3FFB7ACA.34800557@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > [snip]L > We're all one big happy family.  We will run on the same hardware, and useM > the same firmware.  The HW and FW are OS agnostic.  Part of our competetive K > advantage is this commonality, and that hardware is retargetable for many = > OS's.  A customer can buy a standard part, and just add SW.t  G If that's true, then OVMS-I64 should run as well on a Dell server as onl
 an hp, no?  D DJE Systems should be able to put together an OpenvMS-capable system$ based on published requirements, no?   > [snip]? > Try to stop seeing anti-VMS conspiracies everywhere you look.r  F Well, "seeing anti-VMS conspiracies everywhere you look" is one thing.B Not seeing a clear VMS statement in the mainstream media, however,3 leaves open the possibility of endless speculation.?  D The market needs a clear, ubiquitous, unequivocal statement of VMS'sE position, intent, focus, future, etc. before any "anti-VMS conspiracyFG theories" can be inarguably laid to rest. Lacking such, any/every thingoH is pure speculation. Not conducive to instilling confidence in a productF in the denizens of the market place (read: existing or prospective new customers).@  H Ask yourself: would *YOU* make a business decision based on a near-total lack of available information?  F ...and before you cite the OpenVMS website or any other, ask yourself:G do *YOU* believe everything you read on the internet (or anywhere else,n without corroboration)?l   -- e David J. DachteraO dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/d   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 22:56:51 GMTd# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>8- Subject: Woe to VMS if this comes to fruition E Message-ID: <T2HKb.6287$AJB.255@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   6 http://www.techweb.com/tech/software/20040106_software      Microsoft: To BEA Or Not To BEA? By Mark GlaserJ Happy New Year, Microsoft! Happy New Year, Bill! Happy New Year, Steve! OrL is it? Before the ball could even drop in Times Square, the folks at RedmondJ were already putting out fires and planning possible open source moves forH 2004. Accentuating the positive can't come too soon for software kingpinH Microsoft, which had a so-so year in 2003, with a flat stock price, some> losses in court, and an underwhelming new Office System suite.  L Putting the early hurt on Microsoft was the government of Israel, which saidH it wasn't planning on upgrading its Office software, but would encourageK development of cheaper open-source alternatives-with Sun and IBM prepping at% Hebrew version of OpenOffice. Oy vey.o  E But Redmond finally might put some walk to its talk on broadening itseJ Windows-only worldview. First, the behemoth took the trouble to poll LinuxK users to find out just what they like about open-source software. You could G call it an open overture to listen to potential customers. Plus, rumorslJ swirled that Microsoft might buy up BEA Systems, a possible move into JavaE development that would bolster a previous .Net-dominated environment. 4 Gartner saw it as a logical move for both companies.  K Also on the good foot, 95 percent of Microsoft resellers surveyed said they>J foresaw revenue growth in 2004. And those partners represent the bread andJ butter for Microsoft income in software sales to IT shops. Still, the yearD 2004 will certainly have its challenges for the software giant, withH Directions on Microsoft outlining 10 big ones. High on the list? ShowingJ some maturity, boosting security, and solidifying its Longhorn road map. AF nice set of resolutions, if Redmond wants to start the New Year right.   ------------------  L A better move would be for HP to buy BEA and boost their software portfolio.C It'd be a better use of cash than beating their brains out floggingk Billyboxes.      begin 666 blank.gifl= M1TE&.#EA`0`!`)$"````,P```/___P```"'Y! $```(`+ `````!``$```(" 	 $5 $`.P``  `  endr   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 22:37:58 GMTk( From: Phaeton   <spameater@spam.invalid>% Subject: Re: WTD:  VAX  memory sticks>7 Message-ID: <aNGKb.6652$xm.313958@nasal.pacific.net.au>S  . Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@hp.com> wrote: > Phaeton wrote: >> 2J >> > <       as you say, that makes 24 MB. True, it runs OK, I have a 1 GB3 >> > <       Quantum disk with VAX VMS 7.2-1 on it.'N >> > <       I have some other disks, an RZ28 for example, but I still have toO >> > <       figure out the proper SCSI termination, and the ID-s of the disks.aK >> > <       I still would like to have a bit more memory, maybe some 16 MBA# >> > <       sticks would be ideal. H >> > <       I have a handful of 72-pin ones if someone wants to swap... >> >C >> > Don't use anything bigger than RZ26 (1GB) for the system drivet >> wK >>         I am aware of that; I have a VAXstation 3100 as well. I will tryoH >>         to use the bigger disks as data disks ( although the space is/ >>         cramped inside this MVAX 3100 box. )  > A > Also, IIRC 24M is too little for any of the 5.x TCPIP versions,nI > which are liable to freeze at odd moments unless fed sufficient memory.e  D 	Thanks, haven't tried that yet. I am trying to get some more memory 	first, but it is not easy.n 							Cheers,  Csabal  J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------H   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auJ  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:n  !  Murphy's Law of Thermodynamics :a"   Things get worse under pressure.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:21:29 -0500  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com># Subject: Re: WTD: VAX memory sticks 6 Message-ID: <1040106201053.33368D-100000@Ives.egh.com>  " On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Phaeton wrote:  0 > Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@hp.com> wrote: > > Phaeton wrote: > >> hL > >> > <       as you say, that makes 24 MB. True, it runs OK, I have a 1 GB5 > >> > <       Quantum disk with VAX VMS 7.2-1 on it.-P > >> > <       I have some other disks, an RZ28 for example, but I still have toQ > >> > <       figure out the proper SCSI termination, and the ID-s of the disks.iM > >> > <       I still would like to have a bit more memory, maybe some 16 MBg% > >> > <       sticks would be ideal. J > >> > <       I have a handful of 72-pin ones if someone wants to swap... > >> >E > >> > Don't use anything bigger than RZ26 (1GB) for the system drivew > >> nM > >>         I am aware of that; I have a VAXstation 3100 as well. I will try1J > >>         to use the bigger disks as data disks ( although the space is1 > >>         cramped inside this MVAX 3100 box. )o > > C > > Also, IIRC 24M is too little for any of the 5.x TCPIP versions,hK > > which are liable to freeze at odd moments unless fed sufficient memory.h > F > 	Thanks, haven't tried that yet. I am trying to get some more memory > 	first, but it is not easy.  > 							Cheers,  Csabas  F I have a MicroVAX 3600 hobbyist system with 24MB, VMS V7.3 and it runs. okay.  I have TCPWare V5.6 and DECNET V on it.  D (It's very flakey with Samba, though.  Not sure if it's too slow andB the clients time out before it finishes, or if I've got something @ misconfigured.  Mac OS X seems happier then Win2K talking to it, though!)  F It has an RA72 (1GB) system disk, which is big enough for my purposes.E RZ's are generally faster than RA's, and put out less heat.  The 3600 E doesn't have the 1GB boot limit that many 3100's suffer from, though.-  G Obviously, your mileage will vary!  More memory, disk space, CPU speed,s) and I/O bandwidth are always good things.-   -- . John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:17:38 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>= Subject: Re: [OT] Top posting (was: CREATE & DELETE /MAILBOX)b) Message-ID: <3FFB17E1.1CFA27D1@istop.com>    sol gongola wrote:K > When I follow a news thread, I already know the pertinent prior contents.h  N Not everyone has the posts sorted by message order, many have it in order thatN messages have been received. It is common practice and good civic behaviour to( include a FEW lines to set the context.   M > If you are using google, it can be worse. When viewing a thread of message,nI > many long ones are truncated with a clickable to see the whole message.y  N The problem is that top posters have no motivation to clip the quoted contents0 which they don't care about because it is below.  I There are two issues here.  One of where to put the quotes, and one abouttH including only the relevant text of the quote. The failure is often that- people quote the whole message over and over.e  I Some news clients used to be smart enough to warn a user if there is more5M quoted material than new material in a post. But then came Microsoft who made L damned sure that they didn't follow established civic behaviour and not onlyG top posted, but included the whole contents. In a discussion, they each(8 message grows because it contains all previous messages.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.013 ************************