0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 08 Jan 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 15      Contents: Re: Bugcheck - PCAPVCM?  Re: Bugcheck - PCAPVCM?  Re: Bugcheck - PCAPVCM? 4 Re: DCPS and LPD and Xerox Document Centre printers? Re: end-search next sentence3 Re: How to determine which mirrored disk has errors 3 Re: How to determine which mirrored disk has errors  HP TCPIP SMTP Queues (again) Re: new to vms, Re: number of ethernet adapters in a cluster RE: SYS$OUTPUT ? Vaxstation some question...  Re: Vaxstation some question... ! RE: VMS runs well on HP Superdome $ Re: VMS to VMS copying between NodesD Re: Well Andrew, "3" count them "3" security patches for VMS in fiveE Re: [OT] Annual c.o.v. awards - was Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 2004 11:00:43 -0800 . From: al5vf03p02@sneakemail.com (William Webb)  Subject: Re: Bugcheck - PCAPVCM?= Message-ID: <d5ce4b06.0401071100.5f290860@posting.google.com>   _ Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote in message news:<00A2B886.45CA4C85.5@tachysoft.com>... ( > >Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:26:59 -0600C > >From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> # > >Subject: Re: Bugcheck - PCAPVCM?  >  >  > >  > >Wayne Sewell wrote:   <snip> > N > I would say so, and an even greater one for the customer trying to build vmsQ > from sources.  In addition to the sources, there would have to be a snapshot of ! > the entire build environment.    > Q > I've never heard of escrow being done with an operating system, as opposed to a ? > layered product, but theoretically it could be done, I guess.  >  > Wayne Q > =============================================================================== P > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com= > http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    Q > =============================================================================== D > Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?". > 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"  F I used to work in corporate trust banking and we did software escrows.D They're fairly straightforward, and I've seen schematics, diskettes * microfiche and even CDs escrowed that way.  @ They get booked as a miscellaneous asset with a nominal value soA they'll get tracked just like a stock or bond in somebody's trust < account; they even show up on the escrow account statements.  @ (Once, I even saw somebody's ashes get held and booked that way,E pending arrival of relatives from abroad, I think, but that's another  story.)   1 DISCLAIMER: This is from long un-accessed memory.    I AM NOT A LAWYER.    I DO NOT PLAY ONE ON TV, EITHER.  B The parties have their attorneys draw up an Escrow Agreement whichD specifies what is to be escrowed, the conditions upon which it is toB be released to either party, compensation for the Escrow Agent (orE reference to a fee schedule) and the standard stuff like notification D requirements, agreement duration, successors/assigns, provisions forD the Escrow Agent to arrange for settlement of disputes by a court ofD competent jurisdiction and procedures for appointment of a SuccessorE Escrow Agent in the event that the Escrow Agent wishes to be relieved , of its responsibilities under the Agreement.  B I seem to recall that they were usually less than ten pages double' spaced and were about half boilerplate.   @ The Agreement, a check for the first year's fees and an envelopeD containing the source code that has been witnessed and sealed by all< parties to the Agreement, is pretty much all there is to it.  A Everyone executes the agreement, the bank takes the check and the D envelope with the source code goes into the trust division's section of the bank's vault.   WWWebb  = (I can say from experience that proofreading a 250 page Trust E Indenture for a municipal bond issue is one of the few things that is < worse than debugging someone else's code- when attorneys areD describing large multi-year cash flows in page after page after page> of text, accounting mistakes in the draft indentures are quite common.)   ========================! William W. Webb- EMS Operations,   OpenVMS Systems Support % USPS DSSC Annex - 4730 Hargrove Road  ( Raleigh, NC 27616-2874 919.325.7500x4186 * * * -    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:28:56 -0500< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: Bugcheck - PCAPVCM?9 Message-ID: <bthshi$7kash$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>    Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > > Some of us run "those crappy old versions of VMS" because we have no 	 > choice!  > : > Our systems are owned by businesses and institutions for business or > > institutional reasons.  Spending more money than is required	 simply to > > keep them running is done only when spending that money will show a > return on the investment.  >...  > Excellent points, many times HP seems to think that we are all= in the IT business, but the last several places I have been I : have been considered an expense item for the real business: (steel making or banking). If I go to the business and say< that I need to upgrade VMS to make *my* life easier, you can; guess the result. If I go to them and say that if we do not ; upgrade HP will charge extra for prior version support then : their IT expense goes up a few 10's of thousands dollars a> year. Upgrades are only done when the upgrade will result in a) change in the main business' bottom line.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:10:57 -0500< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: Bugcheck - PCAPVCM?9 Message-ID: <bthsl2$7he09$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>    William Webb wrote:  >...6 > I used to work in corporate trust banking and we did software escrows. ; > They're fairly straightforward, and I've seen schematics, 	 diskettes , > microfiche and even CDs escrowed that way. > 9 > They get booked as a miscellaneous asset with a nominal  value so= > they'll get tracked just like a stock or bond in somebody's  trust > > account; they even show up on the escrow account statements. > ...   < When I was at the bank we had a vendor agree to having their; software kept in escrow. Once a year they would give us the : latest source code on a tape. We had a strong-box with two> locks, I had one key and the vendor had one key so we both had> to be there when the box was opened. The vendor would take out< the old tape and replace it with a new tape. Both locks were< reset and the box would be hand-cuffed to my arm (there were= huge penalties to be paid if lost the box) so I could walk it < across the street to the main building where we kept various8 securities and bonds in a safe. The idea was that if the= vendor ever failed then we were allowed to cut their lock off 4 the box and get the source code for the application.  5 The fun part was that the department I was in was the ; "Corporate Investment Associates" so the letters "CIA" were = stencilled on the side of this metal box with two large locks > on it that was hand-cuffed to my arm as I walked across a very= busy, downtown Toronto street. People gave me lots of room to  walk by. :)    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:52:46 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>= Subject: Re: DCPS and LPD and Xerox Document Centre printers? 5 Message-ID: <070120041453131176%paul.anderson@hp.com>   C In article <3ffbecf0$0$177$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk>, Bernhard  Fabricius <bf@dmu.dk> wrote:  A > Has anyone manged to get DCPS to print to Xerox Document Centre  > printers, and if so, how?   G I'd like to know, too!  The Xerox Document Centre printers are the only E printers we know of that don't work with DCPS LPD.  The reason is the A disparity between the LPD RFC and the Real World.  We believe the C problem is the same as the one that prevents DCPS V2.3 from working > with remote LPD queues.  We hope to correct this in DCPS V2.4.  D > BTW: There is a confusing "feature" in DCPS 2.3. If you specify egC > "IP_LPD/nnn.nn.nnn.nnn:PASSTHRU" as the device, the string is too D > long and only shows up as "DCPS$" in "show queue". This means thatD > you should translate the DCPS$*device* logical to find the device. > Not nice.!  G This "feature" was introduced a long time ago, is documented and is the E result of the limititation of the length of the "/ON" string that can > be handled by the queue manager.  This maximum length has beenF increased in OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 but because there might be even moreE confusing problems when dealing with queue managers failing over from E OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 systems to older Alpha, or VAX, systems, we will - not be changing anything in DCPS for a while.   C In article <3ffc1348$0$165$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk>, Bernhard  Fabricius <bf@dmu.dk> wrote:  E > Bummer - just tried to create an IP_LPD queue to a HP LaserJet 4050 D > using "raw" as the queue name. Same sympton: VMS happily "prints", > yet nothing appears.  F Although you don't need to specify an LPD queue name for this printer,G specifying a string such as 'raw' works too.  I just verified this on a 
 4050 here:  F    Printer queue HP4050_LPD, idle, on FUNYET::"IP_LPD/dcpshp4050:raw",,    mounted form DCPS$DEFAULT (stock=DEFAULT)  G and it works.  Please verify you have the queue-specific or system-wide * SHEET_SIZE logical name defined correctly.  @ > I refuse to belive the Paul has released a product that simplyE > doesn't work, so _I_ must be doing something wrong. Where to start?   = You haven't defined DCPS$PAPER_SAVER_MODE TRUE have you?  ;-)    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:40:09 -0500< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>% Subject: Re: end-search next sentence 9 Message-ID: <bthubr$7gsen$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>    tutor_nospam_@cfl.rr.com wrote:  > thanks for the spam paul.   < What spam? Either something happened that we did not see, or: you need to learn even more about the Internet than how to play nicely in a newsgroup.   ! >     when you go to the library,  >     do you become afraid? # >     because the books have spines  >    and you DON'T  < Where on Earth did that come from? In a previous thread Paul= tried to reproduce the problem you had and offered to look at = the actual code if you would send it to him, but now you want < to insult him since he was nice enough to point out that you0 are not giving enough information in your posts.  , >    ps: thank you for assuming i am a "SIR"& >    add sexist pig to your resume....  ; Since you signed a previous message with the name "jerrold" 9 (to use your own capitalization) I would also assume that  "Sir" would be correct.   < Please follow Paul's advice, even better would be for you to read the VMS FAQ6 (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html) in9 particular section 1.3 instead of biting the hand that is = trying to help you with both your COBOL problem and with your  lack of Internet skills.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 2004 11:29:14 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) < Subject: Re: How to determine which mirrored disk has errors= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0401071129.5df7b7c4@posting.google.com>   j RJDurkee@yahoo.com (Rich Durkee) wrote in message news:<14deb915.0401060437.eb30556@posting.google.com>...D > My OpenVMS 7.1 system is reporting a large number of errors on oneE > disk device. The device is mirrored at the controller level. If log C > onto the HSJ50 controller, I cannot find a command that shows the H > error count for each device. So how do I know which device to replace?  B I think the HSJ50 command you're looking for is FMU, for the FaultE Management Utility.  Entering "SHOW ?" at the "FMU>" prompt will give C you the SHOW command options.  I think "FMU> SHOW LAST ALL" will be . helpful, but I'm dredging deep in memory here.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 04 13:27:35 PST  From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com < Subject: Re: How to determine which mirrored disk has errors( Message-ID: <OhIkX+ncLqxE@cpva.saic.com>  = In article <cf15391e.0401071129.5df7b7c4@posting.google.com>, 4  keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:l > RJDurkee@yahoo.com (Rich Durkee) wrote in message news:<14deb915.0401060437.eb30556@posting.google.com>...E >> My OpenVMS 7.1 system is reporting a large number of errors on one F >> disk device. The device is mirrored at the controller level. If logD >> onto the HSJ50 controller, I cannot find a command that shows theI >> error count for each device. So how do I know which device to replace?  > D > I think the HSJ50 command you're looking for is FMU, for the FaultG > Management Utility.  Entering "SHOW ?" at the "FMU>" prompt will give E > you the SHOW command options.  I think "FMU> SHOW LAST ALL" will be 0 > helpful, but I'm dredging deep in memory here.    E Is that true? My recollection (possibly incorrect) was that FMU would F only describe faults of the HSJ itself and not failings related to the disks it's serving.   E I have always analyzed the VMS system's error log looking for the PTL B of the offending disk in the device locator or associated port and target info.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:45:06 -0800* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>% Subject: HP TCPIP SMTP Queues (again) + Message-ID: <3ffc7de1$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>     Hi everyone, and Happy New Year!  6 Another question from the local VMS dummy, I'm afraid.' AlphaServer AS1000A 4/266 w/ 384 MB RAM  OpenVMS 7.3  TCP/IP Services 5.4   D I'm attempting to use HP's SMTP product on my standalone AlphaServerK (hostname SZEGED).  This system is on an Ethernet LAN and has an IP address H of 192.168.0.3.  It's connected to the Internet through a W2K Pro systemJ (hostname KIRALY) with an internal IP address of 192.168.0.1 and a dynamicA external IP address.  The domain name, courtesy of DYNDNS.ORG, is I EREBUS.HOMEIP.NET.  I can send and receive mail on the VMS system OK, but H the problem I'm facing is that once an incoming mail is delivered to theH appropriate VMS user account the associated entry in the execution queueH lingers on indefinitely in a BUSY state.  Any mail arriving later is, ofK course, queued up forever (or until I manually delete the entry).  How long   should I expect to have to wait?  J The documentation and previous SMTP discussions on c.o.v. were helpful forK getting some other configuration issues sorted out, but I suspect that I've H botched the configuration in some fashion.  Here's some config info that might be relevant:   $ TCPIP SHOW CONFIGURATION SMTP    SMTP ConfigurationE                                                               Options I Initial interval:   0 00:30:00.00       Address_max:    16    NOEIGHT_BIT E Retry interval:     0 01:00:00.00       Hop_count_max:  16    NORELAY I Maximum interval:   3 00:00:00.00                             TOP_HEADERS   G Timeout             Initial       Mail    Receipt       Data  Terminate G   Send:                   5          5          5          3         10    Receive:                5    Alternate gateway:  not defined  General gateway:    not defined    Substitute domain:  not defined  Zone:               not defined    Postmaster:         TCPIP$SMTPC Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG   0 Generic queue       Queues   Participating nodes  # TCPIP$SMTP_SZEGED_00   1     SZEGED      $ TCPIP SHOW MX_RECORDB %TCPIP-E-ROUTEERROR, error accessing routes database (TCPIP$ROUTE)( -TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found     $ SHOW LOGICAL/SYSTEM *SMTP*   (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  -   "MAIL$PROTOCOL_SMTP" = "TCPIP$SMTP_MAILSHR" 3   "TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON" = "SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]"    "TCPIP$SMTP_ENABLE" = ".1.."%   "TCPIP$SMTP_LOCAL_ALIAS_ONLY" = "1"    "TCPIP$SMTP_LOG_LEVEL" = "3"   "TCPIP$SMTP_NO_MX" = "1"+   "TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_SNAPSHOT_BLOCKS" = "200"    "TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_TRACE" = "1" &   "TCPIP$SMTP_SFF_REQUIRES_PRIV" = "1"+   "TCPIP$SMTP_SYMB_SNAPSHOT_BLOCKS" = "200"    "TCPIP$SMTP_SYMB_TRACE" = "1"   < $ TYPE SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOCAL_ALIASES.TXT EREBUS.HOMEIP.NET    $ TCPIP SHOW HOST/LOCAL         LOCAL database    Host address    Host name   K 192.168.0.1     KIRALY.EREBUS.HOMEIP.NET, kiraly.erebus.homeip.net, KIRALY,                  kiralyK 192.168.0.2     ISZKAZ.EREBUS.HOMEIP.NET, iszkaz.erebus.homeip.net, ISZKAZ,                  iszkazK 192.168.0.3     SZEGED.EREBUS.HOMEIP.NET, szeged.erebus.homeip.net, SZEGED,                  szeged$ 127.0.0.1       LOCALHOST, localhost    K And here's a typical queue listing.  The mail item associted with ENTRY 951 K has been delivered to the local user account, but has remained BUSY now for  hours:  & $ SHOW QUEUE/FULL/DEVICE=SERVER *SMTP*) Generic server queue TCPIP$SMTP_SZEGED_00 1   /GENERIC=(TCPIP$SMTP_SZEGED_01) /OWNER=[SYSTEM]  /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)    /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE)  J Server queue TCPIP$SMTP_SZEGED_01, busy, on SZEGED::, mounted form DEFAULT?   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=DEFAULT) /OWNER=[SYSTEM] >   /PROCESSOR=TCPIP$SMTP_SYMBIONT /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)     $ TCPIP SHOW MAIL   0   SMTP Mail Queue Entry:   956  User: TCPIP$SMTP	     File: K _SZEGED$DKA0:[SYS0.TCPIP$SMTP]04010711443094_TCPIP$SMTP-1A4E.TCPIP_SZEGED;1      Status: Pending        Message Headers:  =       Return Path: SMTP%"Terrence.Branscombe@gems8.gov.bc.ca" @       Received By: from cedar.itsd.gov.bc.ca (142.32.11.116)  byG szeged.erebus.homeip.net (V5.4-15, OpenVMS V7.3 Alpha); Wed, 7 Jan 2004  11:44:30 -0800 (PST)K       Received By: from pipe.gov.bc.ca (pipe.bcsc.gov.bc.ca [142.32.11.55]) > by cedar.itsd.gov.bc.ca (8.12.5-20030917/8.12.5) with ESMTP id@ i07JiMC4007080 for <tbransco@erebus.homeip.net>; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:44:25 -0800D       Received By: by pipe.bcsc.gov.bc.ca with Internet Mail Service; (5.5.2657.72) id <CJ3WHS1N>; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:44:22 -0800 6       From:        Terrence.Branscombe@gems8.gov.bc.ca1       To:          "'tbransco@erebus.homeip.net'"  <tbransco@erebus.homeip.net>%       Subject:     SMTP test from MEM 1       Date:        Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:44:18 -0800   0   SMTP Mail Queue Entry:   951  User: TCPIP$SMTP	     File: F _SZEGED$DKA0:[SYS0.TCPIP$SMTP]04010622474510_TCPIP$SMTP-1AB6.TCPIP_SZE GED;1      Status: Processing    F If anyone has any suggestions for fixing the SMTP queues, or for other8 configuration changes, please let me know here.  Thanks.     Regards,   Alder    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 2004 11:13:08 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)  Subject: Re: new to vms = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0401071113.70d12769@posting.google.com>   m "Ramiro Rodriguez" <ergodicsum@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.01.06.05.26.21.560636@yahoo.com>... 8 > Hello I just read about VMS and I am curious about it.  C The official HP website for VMS is at http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/    The FAQ for VMS is at 1 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html   F Look into the VMS Hobbyist program at http://www.openvmshobbyist.org/ C That's a good way to get free licenses and inexpensive binary media ) for VMS and associated software products.   B The major strengths of VMS are its reliability (including the best: high-availability clustering in the industry, and the bestF disaster-tolerance) and security (it's never had a virus).  These make? it popular for mission-critical applications in industries like D finance, health care, government, telecommunications, manufacturing,
 and gambling.   : > Is there any sort of emulator or some way to play around. > with it without actually buying a mainframe?  C Mainframe implies large and expensive.  As others have pointed out, F you can readily acquire inexpensive VAX and Alpha systems today to runD VMS, but since you just want to play with it, it's probably quickestF and easiest to use a VAX simulator package (Bob Supnik's simh, TimothyC Stark's TS-10, or Charon-VAX) to run VMS on a Windows or Linux box.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 2004 12:39:52 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 5 Subject: Re: number of ethernet adapters in a cluster < Message-ID: <cf15391e.0401071239.7bf23e3@posting.google.com>  | helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote in message news:<bsssv0$jck$3@online.de>...G > I see that on VAX there is a system parameter which is the number of  J > ethernet adapters in the cluster.  At least according to the 7.1 docs.  A > I can't find it in the SYSGEN HELP on 7.3.  Has it disappeared?  ... & > Should I worry about this parameter?  A NUM_ETHERADAPT is not an actual SYSGEN parameter, but an optional F pseudo-parameter presumably used (at least at one point) by AUTOGEN to= size something.  It was described in the 5.5-2 Release Notes.   E I don't see that AUTOGEN uses it anywhere anymore (at least not as of D the 6.2 and 7.3 versions I looked at), although it is still accepted	 as input.   > I would delete (or comment-out) the line in MODPARAMS.DAT, and wouldn't worry about it.   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 20:03:19 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) Subject: RE: SYS$OUTPUT ? . Message-ID: <bthom7$sqq$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes in article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIMENECJAA.tom@kednos.com> dated Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:35:36 -0800: G >No, the first executable statement is a PUT SKIP;  I am using a rather M >old version of emacs, 19.22, not that it should matter, but my guess is that G >emacs is interpreting the null byte as end of file.  I tried this on a 4 >current version of emacs on Linux and no problem.    G I reproduced your results exactly using a pre-Kednos version of PL/I.     K It appears both DCL and PL/I add 2 bytes to the beginning of each record as L part of the VFC format, but DCL uses 01 8D while PL/I uses 01 00.  DCL-based1 tools such as EVE and APPEND seem to ignore them.   : MOST has the same problem as emacs with the NULL.LOG file.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:19:41 GMT ! From: "DaviS*" <davis@spamsux.it> $ Subject: Vaxstation some question...1 Message-ID: <hZYKb.54382$VW.2385148@news3.tin.it>    Hi all, > Well, i have a "little" Vaxstation 4000VLC, running netbsd 1.6$ Works good, but i would try OpenVMS.  8 As a sysadmin on Unix, i haven't experience about vms...   Question are :  E - Wich version of OpenVMS?  (from DOC i'm reading 5.5 or greater, but  7.2/7.3 are supported) ?#    In my VLC 24MB of Ram and 1GB HD   " - Can i install OpenVMS from net??B   I haven't external Cdrom, but i can "get" this unit from another workstation.H   There are problems about compatibily (es: speed) getting a cdrom 24x ?     Thank a lot for any information    Davis.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 20:35:44 +0100+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> ( Subject: Re: Vaxstation some question...9 Message-ID: <bthn9h$7do8m$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   . "DaviS*" <davis@spamsux.it> schreef in bericht+ news:hZYKb.54382$VW.2385148@news3.tin.it... 	 > Hi all, @ > Well, i have a "little" Vaxstation 4000VLC, running netbsd 1.6& > Works good, but i would try OpenVMS. > : > As a sysadmin on Unix, i haven't experience about vms... >  > Question are : > G > - Wich version of OpenVMS?  (from DOC i'm reading 5.5 or greater, but  > 7.2/7.3 are supported) ?  3 The VLC supports the following versions of VAX/VMS:    5.5-2  6.0   6.1   6.2  7.0   7.1   7.2   7.3   L Possibly earlier versions like 5.5 and 5.5-1 as well but I have no access to those versions.   % >    In my VLC 24MB of Ram and 1GB HD   J That is sufficient for VMS, the footprint is somewhere between 100 and 250K MB depending on what you install. 24 MB RAM is not much but DECwindows will H run with that amount. I wouldn't use DECnet phase V with this particular configuration.   > $ > - Can i install OpenVMS from net??  K Yes but you'd need more hardware (a second harddisk, an Infoserver or a VMS  cluster host).  D >   I haven't external Cdrom, but i can "get" this unit from another > workstation.J >   There are problems about compatibily (es: speed) getting a cdrom 24x ?  * No but read the VMS FAQ for CDROM details. >  > ! > Thank a lot for any information  >  > Davis. >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 2004 12:43:48 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: RE: VMS runs well on HP Superdome3 Message-ID: <xUoDhXrHJwZJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGENKCJAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:  > = > Maybe he was suggesting that you only sell SW and Services.  > HMMM, not a bad idea.   A    What, stick to the profitable stuff?  Where's the fun in that?    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 20:26:30 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)- Subject: Re: VMS to VMS copying between Nodes . Message-ID: <bthq1m$sqq$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes in article <GLWCqbilyi6v@eisner.encompasserve.org> dated 7 Jan 2004 12:40:45 -0600:h >In article <b2d9b89e.0401070723.2a440932@posting.google.com>, simon.adaway@ukaea.org.uk (Simon) writes:I >> With Decnet running I could do Node to Node VMS copying easily (did it H >> use LAT?) with the copy command and specifying a remote node - it wasH >> neat. With only TCP/IP this doesn't work for me, it just says 'remoteH >> node unknown'. Does anyone know how to make it work with TCP/IP? Am I >> trying the wrong thing here?  > J >   copy/ftp has been around for a while now (VMS 7.1?).  I've been using  >   it for years:  > M >   $copy/ftp able.dat baker.domain.stuff.com"user pass"::"eunichs-file-name"  > > >   If you can use the FTP client, the above should also work.  L I second Bob's suggestion.  Using an already-working TCP/IP is *much* easier! than setting up DECnet phase V.     K Also, DECnet (at least phase IV which I used in the 1990s) buffers the file F contents in virtual memory until it has received the complete file, soJ DECnet transfers of large files have a much larger memory footprint on the7 receiving machine than FTP transfers of the same files.   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jan 2004 13:22:08 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)M Subject: Re: Well Andrew, "3" count them "3" security patches for VMS in five = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0401071322.5b74fd04@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<btem4e$crl$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > Bob Ceculski wrote: l > > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<pHDs4F8$EuqD@eisner.encompasserve.org>... > >  > >>In article <btc7f5$b6t$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > >  > > ? > > listen Andrew, VMS security mup kits are rarely issued, and < > > don't confuse ucx flaws with VMS os and kernel flaws ...; > > no one is hiding anything, except you, and you know the > > > truth is VMS has had 13 cert advisories compared to 1000's< > > for unix/linux/windoze convuluted garbage ... that's the9 > > fact ... so quit trolling and put away your water gun 1 > > cause the black helicopters aren't coming ...  > 8 > Bob security holes in ucx are just as problematical as+ > VMS OS holes, don't get confused by that.  > ; > Claiming that the IP stack isn't really part of VMS while > > counting IP stack advisories for other OS's in your BS stats4 > only serves to illustrate that you are just BSing. > < > Adding the CERTS for all the other OS's, UNIX, Windows etc> > and comparing them with one OS VMS again only serves to show= > that you are just BSsing. In case you hadn't noticed single ? > systems generally run one OS and are therefore only vunerable  > to the exploits for that OS. > B > Claiming that TCPWARE etc are any better as you almost certainlyE > will is also BS, you misslead the group about TCPWARES vunerability F > to a number of exploits an the patch reports caught you out (again). > ? > A troll Bob is someone who keeps making BS claims that he/she 6 > cannot justify in an attempt to generate discussion. > D > You have consistently shown yourself to be incapable of supportingE > your claims instead as with most trolls you layer wilder and wilder 0 > claims on top of allready disproven arguments. > > > Give up you are only making yourself and OpenVMS look silly. > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison   ? even with TCPware, only one security patch was issued mandatory ; in the last few years that I have installed ... another was / for smtp ... so even with TCPware, you lose ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 13:24:02 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>N Subject: Re: [OT] Annual c.o.v. awards - was Re: VMS runs well on HP Superdome* Message-ID: <3FFC4EC2.30206@tsoft-inc.com>   John Smith wrote:      K > I think having an c.o.v. annual awards night would be a lot of fun - many * > prizes could be distributed, among them: > N > - the "Blind Leading the Blind Award" to the HP CEO who exemplifies the lackN > of understanding on how to maximize customer benefits while at the same timeN > maximizing shareholder value and manages to communicate that 'vision' to the > Board of Directors > L > - the "Rabid Dog Award" to the HP employee who most viciously defends HP's! > practice of not advertising VMS  > K > - the "Ostrich Award" to the HP executive who most studiously ignores VMS  > K > - the "Cromwell Award" to the HP exec who most fervently wants to do away 
 > with VMS    L Ok, staying off topic, wasn't Cromwell the guy who had a bit of a (violent) O argument with the royalty about the English church?  Sort of "behead everybody  F who doesn't agree with me"?  Can't remember everything I've read.  :-(    K > - the "Why Don't You Write a Letter to the Editor Award" to the c.o.v.'er D > who most frequently suggests that HP executives listen to customer? > complaints about the non-visibility of VMS in the marketplace  > J > - the "Whine of the Year Award" to the those who carp endlessly on about > CERT advisories  > L > - the "Department of Homeland Security Disinformation Award" to trolls who' > don't know what they're talking about  > J > - the "Alfred E. Newman - What? Me Worry? Award" to those who think that: > VMS's future is secure in the face of declining revenues > L > - the "I'm just a Disinterested Competitor Lurking Around in Order to FindL > Out About The World's Best Operating System Award" to those who contribute > to lively banter    % But he'll have to admit to the claim.     N > - the "Eckhard Pfeiffer Award" to those who do what's right (usually awarded > posthumously)  > K > - the "Purple Heart Award" to all those people and corporations that have C > been grieviously wounded by Digital/Compaq/HP's actions/inactions  > surrounding VMS      You don't have enough!    L > and of course, the "Itanic Award" given to all those VMS customers who areJ > sticking with the ship in hopes that IA64 lives up to its billing as the > uberprocessor of the world > A > and many other awards that others are sure to think meritorious     J Could be fun.  What else is there to do while waiting for VMS advertising?     Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.015 ************************                                                                  