0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 11 Jan 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 21      Contents: Re: 7.3-1 to 7.3-2; Anyone connected a SANswitch 2/8EL console to DECserver 700 ! Re: Could OpenVMS-Athlon ever be?  Re: ds10l blowout  Re: ds10l blowout  Re: ds10l blowout  Re: ds10l blowout  FA: DEC PWS 2MB cache module Re: HP FUDBusting  Re: HP FUDBusting 7 Re: I just scored an AlphaServer 800! - upgrades & docs  Re: OpenVMS CertificationsP Re: RE: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions         pP Re: RE: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions         pF RE: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions perF RE: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions perF RE: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions perF RE: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions perF Re: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions perF RE: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions per  Re: Rally VAX to Alpha Migration, Re: SANswitch 2/8EL console to DECserver 700! Re: SYMVECMIS error with CSWS 2.0 # Re: To all "patriotic" americans...  Re: Vaxstation some question...  Re: Vaxstation some question...  Re: Vaxstation some question...  Re: Vaxstation some question... , Re: VMS naming conventions for disk volumes?$ Re: VMS to VMS copying between Nodes  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2004 03:24:29 -08000 From: keith.cayemberg@conti.de (Keith Cayemberg) Subject: Re: 7.3-1 to 7.3-2 = Message-ID: <3a65a5c8.0401110324.1067bd38@posting.google.com>    Bhushan,  C The OpenVMS 7.3-2 System Documentation has it's own separate HP web 
 page at...  . http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os732_index.html  ? The general rule of thumb by OpenVMS upgrades is that user-mode D applications will be binary upward compatible with previous versionsD for the same hardware architecture. Applications needing higher modeF privileges and accessing higher mode internal structures may encounterF compatibility problems since these structures may have been changed to  implement fixes or new features.  C User-mode binary compatibility is also not a guarantee that all the E same services will be available to you application after the upgrade. E Services compatibility may be broken because the service may be using B an higher mode internal structure which has changed. Services (for@ example: a language run-time library; database, class scheduler,? middleware) may also require an update whether it is an OpenVMS . layered product form HP or a third-party tool.  D There is also a much bigger RULE OF THUMB, that you always carefullyF plan install and test "mission-critical" applications on a test systemC or cluster configured to closely resemble your production system(s) < considering all mission-critical relevant parameters such as9 correctness of data and error handling, inter-application ? communication, and performance. The experience of other OpenVMS E customers can be helpful, but in this case not reduce the requirement ? of a rigorousness of testing and preparation appropriate to the / importance of the mission-critical application.    Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg - IBM Business Services GmbH, Hannover, Germany    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2004 07:33:25 -0800- From: martin.platts@cdl.co.uk (Martin Platts) D Subject: Anyone connected a SANswitch 2/8EL console to DECserver 700= Message-ID: <b367fb16.0401110733.48a6914a@posting.google.com>    bump!    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Jan 2004 07:22:27 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>* Subject: Re: Could OpenVMS-Athlon ever be?5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-WdzPjO1Py8LB@localhost>   B On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 15:05:00 UTC, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>  wrote:   > Dave Weatherall wrote: >  > > J > > The response is appeciated John and the argument understood. The lack J > > of registers has always been a reason why I was never keen on x86. I'm: > > sure the argument was even more powerful 10 years ago. > >  > > That said :- > > I > > Any x86 MACRO-32 compiler would assume that it was targetting an x86  ? > > version of VMS. If this was done with a virtual machine or  E > > memory-based register stacks then the problem of mapping the VAX  G > > registers would/could have been resolved. I do remember reading in  I > > some book, way back when I was still playing with x86 machines, that  J > > the x86 architecture was not so IIRC 'reliant' on registers because itD > > viewed all available memory as if it were a set of registers. I J > > confess to not having been convinced - we were barely into 286/386 at G > > the time. Since then, however, Intel, Cyrix and AMD have made this  J > > statement more of a reality (and quietly added more registers onto the > > silicon) > G > That would be OK, if Macro32 just called other Macro32 routines.  We  K > could put the "registers" into memory just fine.  However, you then have  I > to coordinate with the other compilers used in the OpenVMS source pool  J > that pass things in "registers" between languages (namely BLISS and C). G >   You'd have to teach those languages and their code generator about  J > passing "registers" parameters which are now in static memory locations. > H > It gets even more complicated with saving register state at exception J > entry, AST entry, interrupts, etc.  Given the amount of Macro32 code in E > OpenVMS, the "registers in memory" concept would spread across the   > entire operating system.  ? Exactly, the solution for Macro-32 would have had to match the  F solution chosen for VMS. I would certainly agree that designing the OSC implementation to match its traditional Assembler might not be the  A best way :-) OTOH maybe we'd have been at the Charon-VAX stage a   litlle earlier.   = > > Did the NT BLISS compiler use GEM or was that a complete  3 > > re-implemenation?  Does VMS BLISS use GEM even?  > ? > All BLISS compilers other than VAX BLISS use the GEM backend.   ? Thanks again John. I must find the time to read up on GEM. Any  	 pointers?    --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:09:15 -0500 0 From: "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com> Subject: Re: ds10l blowout- Message-ID: <btrsg9$d0vt$1@news3.infoave.net>   J I read a comment somewhere that you can simply remove the case cover, plugJ in a standard IDE cdrom, install the software and then put the system back together when you are done.   ! But remember, IDE isn't hot swap!   E This might be adequate if you have a network cdrom on another VMS box  nearby.   J Heck, buy a 200GB ide drive for $125 and keep all of the Layered Products,9 OS and freeware disks online ALL the time. (just kidding)                              Jeff   -- Jeff Morgan  Hilton Head Island, SC vmswiz@geo-nospam-cities.com    K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 0 news:3FFE026C.76DBDC4B@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > DAVID TURNER wrote:  > >  > > ds10l 466mhz > > 256mb compaq memory  > > 30GB IDE 7200rpm disk # > > dual serial port (com1 console)  > > parallel port  > > usb port > > 1 open 32/64 bit pci slot  > > , > > Only $595 for COMP.OS.VMS customers only > > G > > (A license is required to run VMS - get one at www.montagar.com for  hobbyist > > use) > > & > > One hell of a hobbyist system !!!! > 7 > How much extra for a CD-ROM to install software from?  >  > --   > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:16:38 -0600 / From: Clay M. Denton <denton@orison.dsserv.com>  Subject: Re: ds10l blowout8 Message-ID: <hkt200h32765014cvumsftfqktj1urnqef@4ax.com>  T That's what I've done when doing system testing and firmware upgrades.  Works great.K Of course, you can always to an ISL or firmware update from and InfoServer.   W And what's wrong with using a cheap drive to keep everything online and available?  8-)    Clay  U On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:09:15 -0500, "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com> wrote:   K >I read a comment somewhere that you can simply remove the case cover, plug K >in a standard IDE cdrom, install the software and then put the system back  >together when you are done. > " >But remember, IDE isn't hot swap! > F >This might be adequate if you have a network cdrom on another VMS box >nearby. > K >Heck, buy a 200GB ide drive for $125 and keep all of the Layered Products, : >OS and freeware disks online ALL the time. (just kidding) >  >                          Jeff    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:37:53 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: ds10l blowout6 Message-ID: <40019801.FC79277D@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   "Clay M. Denton" wrote:  > V > That's what I've done when doing system testing and firmware upgrades.  Works great.M > Of course, you can always to an ISL or firmware update from and InfoServer.   E Well, that'd be cool, except - where does one get an InfoServer these F days, especially for installation at a client site (on-going support)?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:36:42 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: ds10l blowout6 Message-ID: <400197BA.9D38DB18@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Jeff Morgan wrote: > [snip]L > Heck, buy a 200GB ide drive for $125 and keep all of the Layered Products,; > OS and freeware disks online ALL the time. (just kidding)   F Well, that'd be cool, except - how does one get the software onto that disk in the first place?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:14:21 -0600 / From: Clay M. Denton <denton@orison.dsserv.com> % Subject: FA: DEC PWS 2MB cache module 8 Message-ID: <nit200tckdn7qdnh9albq83atsv67te0cd@4ax.com>  J This is for the Digital Personal Workstations - adds the optional L3 cache  Q http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3071184856&category=11218&rd=1    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:38:13 -0500 ' From: "Gunner" <arty_15999@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: HP FUDBusting0 Message-ID: <Na6dnfCnmuN05pzd4p2dnA@comcast.com>  H As a RT-11, RSX M/M+, VMS, Tru64 specialist I can with certainty that HPG advertises that they will sell Tru64 until 2004 and support it until at  least 2011.   3 There is considerable Tru64 expertise in the field. 0 The first commercial release of VMS will be V8.22 A VMS Cluster of Alphas and Itaniums is supported.G A VMS Cluster of Vaxen, Alphas and Itaniums will work but is not (yet?) 
 supported.K RSX 11M+ was a SMP operating system. The PDP 11/74 MP could have as many as ? 4 processors.  David Cutler used at least one to write VMS V0.x * VMS and Unix have the same parent Multics.  5 I missed RSTS/E but I did work with Mumps-11 and DSM.    g    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:34:27 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: HP FUDBusting5 Message-ID: <40019733.E5132EC@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   
 Gunner wrote:  > J > As a RT-11, RSX M/M+, VMS, Tru64 specialist I can with certainty that HPI > advertises that they will sell Tru64 until 2004 and support it until at 
 > least 2011.   C Given the number of times that Compaq and hp have publicly made and H publicly broken "commitments" pertaining to both Alpha and OpenVMS, what% is your current level of trust of hp?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:42:27 -0500 0 From: "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com>@ Subject: Re: I just scored an AlphaServer 800! - upgrades & docs- Message-ID: <btrqu1$cvbd$1@news3.infoave.net>    Steve:  H     FYI, you can go out to ebay and do a search for "SCA-2" disk drives.K Hard Drive Outlet usually has IBM 18gb drives for $15-$20 or so. I bought a G 5-pack from them for about $80 including shipping. Good company to deal  with.   I     You've got four slots you can fill cheap. I've used several models of , Fujitsu, Sun and IBM drives. All work great.  D     They are even hot-swap. No need to shut down to plug in a drive.  H     I got my AS800 on ebay for $400 plus $150 shipping a couple of years ago. Awesome machine!   8     Here's HP's Alphaserver 800 technical resource page:J http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/archive/800/800_tech.html It has the4 user guide and service guide, hardware options, etc.  K     Now I want one of Islandco's $595 DS10L's plus VMS/EIP licenses. I want F to dump my rented web space on Linux webservers and go back to using a "real" computer!       Congratulations.  ;                                                        Jeff    -- Jeff Morgan  Hilton Head Island, SC vmswiz@geo-nospam-cities.com  : "Steve Kulpa" <stevekulpaFUDGE@yahoo.com> wrote in message2 news:ifsrvvgskku8n22gcorovjhi429uofnijs@4ax.com... > > A > >(Shhhhhhhhhh, Please, nobody else tell him that he can get the A > >hobbyist license for free by signing up as an Associate Member ? > >at https://secure2.sba.com/encompass/memberApp/associate.cfm A > >and please, nobody tell him that if he posts his location then A > >there would probably be someone close to him who will loan him A > >the CD set or at worst someone who will mail him a set for the A > >cost of postage. I would love to get that for $155 or $500, or  > >even $1000 would be a deal) > E > Shhhh, don't tell Peter that if having this thing at home is not as D > fun as I had hoped, I'd be looking to unload it and would conciderG > giving him first refusal.  Of course, it's be a lot more than $150!!!  > F > I can't believe that my employer let me STEAL this machine for $150. > 
 > Steve Kulpa  > Knoxville, TN  > VAX/VMS fan since Version 2    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2004 02:49:12 -0800- From: martin.platts@cdl.co.uk (Martin Platts) # Subject: Re: OpenVMS Certifications = Message-ID: <b367fb16.0401110249.5efbaf19@posting.google.com>   F I did the exams for ASE last August - but am still trying to get hp toB admit I passed (or that I've even completed all the requirements).  A I did spend a couple of weeks revising (never having done any SAN . stuff) but got 75% or higher on all the exams.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 08:46:11 -0600 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>Y Subject: Re: RE: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions         p / Message-ID: <00A2BBA7.D3D7AF67.7@tachysoft.com>   ( >From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>P >Subject: RE: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions per& >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 08:21:37 -0500. >Organization: Info-VAX<==>comp.os.vms Gateway$ >X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List  C >>>>If he uses a database product that does not come from oracle=20 > >>>> corporation, or any other application that uses system=20@ >>>>services instead of directly accessing the time quadword,=20B >>>> database fields that represent the current time *also* are=20E >>>> relative to his own time zone.  Therefore reports display his=20 ( >>>> local time rather than system time. >>>>=20 F >>>> Whether this sounds useful to you or not, some people do want it. >>=20  >  >Wayne,  > ' >You tweaked my interest on this point.  > F >I can not comment either way (as I don't know) as to how Rdb uses theI >system time, but, in general, wrt to people wanting to use local process < >time vs system time, that is a huge issue when doing server >consolidation.  > H >We had a similar example (not with Rdb mind you- this example was usingD >Rdb's earlier cousin Interbase), where a number of the consolidatedF >servers (small distributed Alpha's) were put in a centralized clusterF >(bigger Alpha's) and everything looked great until some users noticedE >the time issue. The issue went from trivial to critical overnight as D >lawyers were users of the system and the time indicated what time a; >person was arrested (Wed at 11:31pm or Thurs at 00:01 AM?)  > D >While it may not seem like a big deal, for many cases like criminalE >systems (involving picky lawyers like above example), health systems G >(what time did take his medicine?), financial systems etc, the concept I >of local time vs system time is a very critical concept that needs to be * >considered in any consolidation planning.  N The customer who was so hot to implement this, the one who tried to get oracleL to drop the direct time quadword crap, really felt that the operating systemL itself should provide this functionality.  At the basic level, it just meansH keeping a delta time in process space and applying it to all time systemN services (converting in both directions).  Much of the datesim complication isK in propogating pseudotime to processes created by the pseudotime process.     N In this age of server consolidation and the internet, it might be a reasonableM thing for vms engineering to do.  However, since vms does not provide virtual N timezones, the guy was perfectly happy for datesim to do it.  Or he would haveO been if oracle hadn't torpedoed the deal.  If he'd been using another database,  he'd be a customer now.   K The currently released version of datesim is best suited for people logging D into the system, because access to dcl is required to set the properO pseudotime, based on the timezone of the user logging in.  However, in response N to the request of a potential customer, I implemented a prototype datesim api,K i.e. callable datesim.  This allows you to set pseudotime programmatically,  without having to go to dcl.    L This would be advantageous for a server process that deals with transactionsL initiated from different timezones.  The server would determine the timezoneO based on ip address, FQDN, or some other criteria, then would call a routine to N set the timezone.  For the duration of the transaction, the server would be inM the timezone of the requestor, and any time stamps passed in either direction O would reflect that.  Then the next transaction would set a new timezone.  There M isn't much overhead in switching time zones.  All you are doing is changing a ' delta time in a datesim data structure.   L Since the entire process changes time, this would obviously require a singleN threaded server that processed only one transaction at a time.  However, givenJ sufficient interest (and potential sales), I could modify datesim to storeL pseudotime on a thread basis rather than a process basis, allowing different' threads to be in different timezones.      Wayne O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== B Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2004 09:19:46 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Y Subject: Re: RE: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions         p 3 Message-ID: <8CMTu3FraTai@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <00A2BBA7.D3D7AF67.7@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:  P > The customer who was so hot to implement this, the one who tried to get oracleN > to drop the direct time quadword crap, really felt that the operating systemN > itself should provide this functionality.  At the basic level, it just meansJ > keeping a delta time in process space and applying it to all time system+ > services (converting in both directions).   6 Certainly some of us have been wanting this for years.  B As I recall, it was supported in TOPS-10 along with the "location"  stuff for the ANF-10 networking.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 08:21:37 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> O Subject: RE: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions per R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2379EB@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   >=20 >=20B >>>If he uses a database product that does not come from oracle=20= >>> corporation, or any other application that uses system=20 ? >>>services instead of directly accessing the time quadword,=20 A >>> database fields that represent the current time *also* are=20 D >>> relative to his own time zone.  Therefore reports display his=20' >>> local time rather than system time.  >>>=20E >>> Whether this sounds useful to you or not, some people do want it.  >=20   Wayne,  & You tweaked my interest on this point.  E I can not comment either way (as I don't know) as to how Rdb uses the H system time, but, in general, wrt to people wanting to use local process; time vs system time, that is a huge issue when doing server  consolidation.  G We had a similar example (not with Rdb mind you- this example was using C Rdb's earlier cousin Interbase), where a number of the consolidated E servers (small distributed Alpha's) were put in a centralized cluster E (bigger Alpha's) and everything looked great until some users noticed D the time issue. The issue went from trivial to critical overnight asC lawyers were users of the system and the time indicated what time a : person was arrested (Wed at 11:31pm or Thurs at 00:01 AM?)  C While it may not seem like a big deal, for many cases like criminal D systems (involving picky lawyers like above example), health systemsF (what time did take his medicine?), financial systems etc, the conceptH of local time vs system time is a very critical concept that needs to be) considered in any consolidation planning.    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 08:28:50 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> O Subject: RE: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions per R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2379EC@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>  B > issue went from trivial to critical overnight as lawyers were=20B > users of the system and the time indicated what time a person=205 > was arrested (Wed at 11:31pm or Thurs at 00:01 AM?)  >=20? > While it may not seem like a big deal, for many cases like=20 9 > criminal systems (involving picky lawyers like above=20 A > example), health systems (what time did take his medicine?),=20 ? > financial systems etc, the concept of local time vs system=20 @ > time is a very critical concept that needs to be considered=20  > in any consolidation planning. >=20    - Oops - typo in paragraph, should have stated: B > issue went from trivial to critical overnight as lawyers were=20B > users of the system and the time indicated what time a person=205 > was arrested (Wed at 11:01pm or Thurs at 00:01 AM?)    :-)   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2004 08:07:45 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) O Subject: RE: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions per 3 Message-ID: <k39uAkxU3wgl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2379EB@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes:  I > We had a similar example (not with Rdb mind you- this example was using " > Rdb's earlier cousin Interbase),  B I was under the impression that Interbase was created considerablyA after Rdb, since the founder of the company that create Interbase < was still working on Datatrieve at DEC when Rdb was created.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:45:14 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> O Subject: RE: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions per R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2379EE@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]=20   > Sent: January 11, 2004 9:08 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ; > Subject: RE: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1=20  > million transactions per >=20 > In article=20 @ > <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2379EB@tayexc19.americas.cpqc5 > orp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes:  >=20H > > We had a similar example (not with Rdb mind you- this example was=20* > > using Rdb's earlier cousin Interbase), >=20: > I was under the impression that Interbase was created=20B > considerably after Rdb, since the founder of the company that=20A > create Interbase was still working on Datatrieve at DEC when=20  > Rdb was created. >=20  C Yep - did not mean to infer Interbase preceeded Rdb. As you stated,  Interbase came after Rdb.   F Not sure what the latest is on Interbase, but last I heard was that it is now open source.    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:55:21 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> O Subject: Re: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions per M Message-ID: <ttdMb.107415$1g41.29795@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- 7 >> From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net] ! >> Sent: January 11, 2004 9:08 AM  >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com9 >> Subject: RE: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1  >> million transactions per  >>
 >> In article A >> <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2379EB@tayexc19.americas.cpqc 6 >> orp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes: >>E >>> We had a similar example (not with Rdb mind you- this example was * >>> using Rdb's earlier cousin Interbase), >>8 >> I was under the impression that Interbase was created@ >> considerably after Rdb, since the founder of the company that? >> create Interbase was still working on Datatrieve at DEC when  >> Rdb was created.  >> > E > Yep - did not mean to infer Interbase preceeded Rdb. As you stated,  > Interbase came after Rdb.  > H > Not sure what the latest is on Interbase, but last I heard was that it > is now open source.     * http://sourceforge.net/projects/interbase/  H It may be worth poking around in the source or contacting the remains ofF Borland to see where all the VMS specific bits reside. Interbase was a pretty decent product.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:09:15 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> O Subject: RE: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions per R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2379F5@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>  J > > Yep - did not mean to infer Interbase preceeded Rdb. As you stated,=20 > > Interbase came after Rdb.  > > A > > Not sure what the latest is on Interbase, but last I heard=20  > was that it=20 > > is now open source.  >=20 >=20, > http://sourceforge.net/projects/interbase/ >=20B > It may be worth poking around in the source or contacting the=20> > remains of Borland to see where all the VMS specific bits=200 > reside. Interbase was a pretty decent product. >=20 >=20 >=20  H John - yep, ran great on OpenVMS as it was fully clusterable. In fact, I@ know of one very mission critical customer that is still running? Interbase (V3.x) in a VMS V7.3-1 SAN cluster. They are however, ' converting their database to Oracle 9i.    Btw - thx for the pointer.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:45:48 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>) Subject: Re: Rally VAX to Alpha Migration 0 Message-ID: <400199DC.4C7DAA6D@sture.homeip.net>   Brian Chase wrote: > T > In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB1E10E6@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>,( > Main, Kerry <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote: > L > > - While it was not Rally specific, I completed a major VAX Cobol / Rdb /K > > CI mission critical, high visibility cluster to 3 node Alpha ES45 / SAN L > > / Rdb cluster earlier this year (went live in mid April). Rdb was latestH > > version available. This project was extremely successful in that theI > > Cust went fom 6 large VAX 7610's that were always peaked out in prime F > > time to an environment whereby their new environment servers (were/ > > running about 20% utilization at peak time.  > L > Yeow.  If I were that customer, I might now be feeling a bit like I boughtH > /too much/ replacement hardware.  80% is a hell of a lot of head room. >   A But from a Disaster Tolerance point of view there is (at least in C theory) enough CPU power there to run the the lot on only one node.      > > From a pure costD > > perspective, they now have a huge amount of datacenter space andI > > cooling/power available for future expansion. In addition, while they L > > are still in the evaluation phase, this has allowed the Customer to lookL > > at all sorts of new functionality that they could not add before becauseG > > of loading and version issues e.g. Java based development, wrapping F > > existing Cobol logic and serving up via Web Services technologies,J > > Apache web serving, Adv Server (reduce file serving virus issues while6 > > consolidating Intel servers at the same time) etc. > ) > Well, there is always that bright side.  >    :-)    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2004 07:33:58 -0800- From: martin.platts@cdl.co.uk (Martin Platts) 5 Subject: Re: SANswitch 2/8EL console to DECserver 700 < Message-ID: <b367fb16.0401110733.e89d05f@posting.google.com>   bump!    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:53:53 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: SYMVECMIS error with CSWS 2.02 Message-ID: <BcfMb.74063$Tz1.44707@news.chello.at>  a In article <4000BB87.5070301@rogers.com.no.spam>, Jay Olson <jayolson@rogers.com.no.spam> writes:  >Thanks for the info.   . You could also upgrade to OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:25:52 GMT ' From: "Stuart Friedman" <stu@nospam.na> , Subject: Re: To all "patriotic" americans...A Message-ID: <z9cMb.24926$P%1.23020914@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>   L Andrew Carnegie was the founder of US Steel in the 19th century and was thatD century's Bill Gates.  He was the richest man in the world, probablyK exceeding most monarchs.  In the second half of his life, he must have felt F some guilt about the way he did business in the first half, because heK started giving away money to thousands of academic institutions, libraries, K and foundations.  Most organizations that have the word "Carnegie" in their L name were the recipient of their funds.  That is the connection.  Therefore,K I suppose in the loosest sense you can say their is/was an affiliation, but F it is very old, and if it exists at all any more, it is on paper only.  K Virtually all major research university refer to themselves as "Carnagie 1" I or "Carnagie 2" institutions, but I doubt that the University of Michigan F and the University of Southern California would refer to themselves asF "affiliates" even though they probably still both cash checks from the Carnagie Foundation.   Stu     . "devil" <devil@attglobal.net> wrote in message4 news:pan.2004.01.10.18.21.36.560481@attglobal.net...1 > On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:20:49 +0000, None wrote:O >XH > > It should be noted that this carnegie outfit is in no way affiliated withG > > the university, and is actually based in Moscow, USSR, with a $$$$$n > > collections office in D.C. >w. > Yes, right.  For a dose of reality, look at: >s0 > http://www.ceip.org/files/about/about_home.asp >DC > Founded in 1910.  By the same Andrew Carnegie who established the  > university, presumably.M >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:08:27 +0000n) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk>S( Subject: Re: Vaxstation some question...9 Message-ID: <btrebr$ah938$1@ID-207001.news.uni-berlin.de>    Richard B. Gilbert wrote:E  B > It is not universally true that adding users is done by editing H > /etc/passwd.   Certainly you can do it that way but both Digital Unix H > (ca. 1996) and Solaris 8 & 9 have utilities that do the whole job for G > you.  Solaris provides a fill-in-the-blanks GUI.  I don't recall the r& > details of the Digital Unix utility.  F Looks like I picked a bad example when I said adding users is done by  editing the passwd file!  I Having said that, i believe it is still true that the configuration of a  G UNIX/Linux system is largely controlled by a bunch of text files, that  C are typically either edited directly or edited via a script or GUI MG interface. Whereas on VMS there tends to be a utlity/command interface dB that manioulate one or more files, but the files are not directly D editable as they tend to be indexed binary files or similar. I also D think the scripts and GUIs have come quite late to Unix whereas the E command approach in VMS has been there from the very start (at least nC back to 2.4, my experience doesn't go any further back than that!)..  E I'm also not saying that one appraoch is necessarily better than the o" other. Each has its pros and cons.  K > I could write a book but there's no need; Phillip E. Bourne (no, not the sG > Bourne shell Bourne) wrote "Unix for VMS Users", Digital Press, 1990 r> > order number EY-C177E-DP, DP ISBN 1-55558-034-3 and PH ISBN C > 0-13-94743-1.  The orientation is just backwards but most of the n* > significant differences are pointed out.  4 An excellent book that sits proudly on my bookshelf!   Tony.h -- aF Tony Arnold, Deputy to the Head of COS Division, Manchester Computing,: University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.F T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039E E-mail: tony.arnold@man.ac.uk, Home: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:18:22 +0100r* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>( Subject: Re: Vaxstation some question.../ Message-ID: <4001936E.442F284@sture.homeip.net>s   Tom Linden wrote:a > F > BTW, a zipped iso image is only about 230MB, wouldn't that be easier# > and better for everyone involved?s >-  E That's only OK if you have the means to burn a VMS bootable disk fromi it.n    p >   -----Original Message-----< >   From: Keith Parris [mailto:keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com]* >   Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 7:58 AM >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comf, >   Subject: Re: Vaxstation some question... >  > 0 >   "DaviS*" <davis@spamsux.it> wrote in message1 >   news:<hZYKb.54382$VW.2385148@news3.tin.it>... ( >   > - Can i install OpenVMS from net??H >   >   I haven't external Cdrom, but i can "get" this unit from another >   > workstation. > J >   I'm not aware of any way to install OpenVMS from the Internet, but youC >   can buy a CD with binary media for VMS and many popular layered-> >   products for US$30 through the OpenVMS Hobbyist Program atI >   http://www.openvmshobbyist.org/, which is where you'll also go to getV  >   your free Hobbyist licenses. > I >   The OpenVMS webpage at HP is at http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/ and thehG >   OpenVMS FAQ is at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html  >  >   ---e* >   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.> >   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C >   Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/2004  >  > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A > Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/2004a   -- r   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:41:00 -0600/@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>( Subject: Re: Vaxstation some question...6 Message-ID: <400198BC.E67DC3AD@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Paul Sture wrote:e >  > Tom Linden wrote:i > >aH > > BTW, a zipped iso image is only about 230MB, wouldn't that be easier% > > and better for everyone involved?l > >o > G > That's only OK if you have the means to burn a VMS bootable disk fromd > it.   G All it really takes is enough fee disk space to unpack the .ZIP archivee+ and the means to write the image to a CD-R.c  G CDRECORD for VMS would be really cool if it could read the PIPEd output & of UNZIP and burn it directly to CD-R!   --   David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/L   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:57:37 +0100t* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>( Subject: Re: Vaxstation some question...0 Message-ID: <4001AAB1.58BCF6A2@sture.homeip.net>   David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > Paul Sture wrote:e > >s > > Tom Linden wrote:t > > >rJ > > > BTW, a zipped iso image is only about 230MB, wouldn't that be easier' > > > and better for everyone involved?x > > >t > >lI > > That's only OK if you have the means to burn a VMS bootable disk fromI > > it.r > I > All it really takes is enough fee disk space to unpack the .ZIP archivee- > and the means to write the image to a CD-R.b > I > CDRECORD for VMS would be really cool if it could read the PIPEd outputT( > of UNZIP and burn it directly to CD-R! >   ? I was thinking of the original poster who was asking if VMS was  available from the 'net.  . >"DaviS*" <davis@spamsux.it> wrote in message 0 >  news:<hZYKb.54382$VW.2385148@news3.tin.it>...% >> - Can i install OpenVMS from net?? E >>   I haven't external Cdrom, but i can "get" this unit from another  >> workstation.g   E If I understand that correctly, the CD would have to be burnt using ab non-VMS system  i -- e
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:55:17 +0100n* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>5 Subject: Re: VMS naming conventions for disk volumes?e0 Message-ID: <40018E05.18E48097@sture.homeip.net>   Brian Chase wrote: > & > In article <btlspi$218$1@online.de>,L > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> > wrote: > 1 > > At the moment, on my hobbyist cluster I have:g > >  > > DSA122:     OVMSVAXSYS_2 > > DSA133:     ALPHASYS_3 > > DSA144:     OVMSVAXSYS_4 > > DSA510:     USER > > DSA520:     SOFT > > $22$DKA400: OVMSDOC071 > > $33$DKA0:   DATA > > $44$DKA200: SCRATCHC > >OG > > In a cluster, each disk must have a unique label; this explains the ) > > suffixes for the system disks.  [...]m > L > I can certainly understand this being desirable for devices shared betweenG > nodes on some sort of common storage bus (e.g. DSSI) but I'm a littlerJ > suprised that this would be necessary for locally attached SCSI storage. > K > So I can't have nodes named RED and BLUE in my cluster, both with locally 7 > attached SCSI system drives labelled as "OVMSVAXSYS"?   G Yes you could, as long as they are only mounted by the host system, buto it can get confusing.f   >  Likewise, it soundsH > like I couldn't mount two OVMSDOC071 CDs on two different nodes of the8 > same cluster since there'd be a volume label conflict. > G You could have two OVMSDOC071 disks mounted on the same cluster if each0F node has the local CD mounted /SYSTEM. You couldn't however mount both? as /CLUSTER. In practice, you would be better mounting separate,E documentation CDs on each system /CLUSTER. There is a good reason fornC this, as when progamming system calls you quickly discover that the F system routines are on one CD, and the programming manuals on another,/ and it's a pain to be continually swapping CDs.r    D But, whether your OVMSDOC071 is mounted /CLUSTER or /SYSTEM, you canD also mount a CD with the same label locally to your own process, for example    $ MOUNT $1$DKB400: OVMSDOC071B  F But then of course, it's only available to your own process. I believeH you could also mount it /GROUP and that would work too, although I don't think I've ever tried it.o   -- a
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Jan 2004 07:22:30 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>- Subject: Re: VMS to VMS copying between Nodes75 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-qi04wS4qllqw@localhost>O  C On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:13:54 UTC, simon.adaway@ukaea.org.uk (Simon) . wrote:  o > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0401080547.55e09114@posting.google.com>...mp > > simon.adaway@ukaea.org.uk (Simon) wrote in message news:<b2d9b89e.0401070723.2a440932@posting.google.com>... > > > Hi Folks,l > > > L > > > With Decnet running I could do Node to Node VMS copying easily (did itK > > > use LAT?) with the copy command and specifying a remote node - it wastK > > > neat. With only TCP/IP this doesn't work for me, it just says 'remotepK > > > node unknown'. Does anyone know how to make it work with TCP/IP? Am I1" > > > trying the wrong thing here? > > >  > > > Thanks in advanceN > > >  > > > Simon> > > ; > > use TCPware IP stack so you can do phase IV over IP ...P > . > Thanks guys there's some useful stuff there, > G > But....Isn't it one heck of a load of trouble installing Decnet V (or @ > IV) just to do a proper copy between nodes. FTP doesn't handleH > sub-directories at all well. Would it be possible to 'share' a disk atG > a level and then 'mount' the share on another OpenVMS node...that waywE > I get a true files-11 structure and full copying of sub-directoriesd > etc? >  > Simon   F I pruned lots of entries in this thread so forgive me if I'm repeating something but...  ? If it worked when DecNet was running then the two nodes in the dB transfer 'knew' about each other in the DecNet environment. If it B isn't working with TCP/IP and the error message is : 'remote node E unknown' it implies to me that the node executing the command is not aE able to translate the remote nodename to the correct TCP/IP address. aA Have you tried specifying the dotted-quad numeric address of the u 'unknown node' ?   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.021 ************************