0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 12 Jan 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 22      Contents:; ANN: FreeeTDS 0.62 Sybase & MS SQL client software released  Can't boot. Please help. Re: Can't boot. Please help. Re: ds10l blowout  Re: ds10l blowout  Re: ds10l blowout * Re: Hobbyist Layered Product license PAKs?* Migrating Pathworks 5 to Advanced Server 7F Re: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions per  RE: Rally VAX to Alpha Migration8 Re: Secure Web Server Version 2.0 available for download( Slightly OT: Code Red on the rise again?, Re: Slightly OT: Code Red on the rise again?, Re: Slightly OT: Code Red on the rise again?, Re: Slightly OT: Code Red on the rise again?# Re: Study on IP-ID of TCPware 5.6-2 # Re: To all "patriotic" americans... # Re: To all "patriotic" americans... # Re: To all "patriotic" americans... , Re: VMS naming conventions for disk volumes?, Re: VMS naming conventions for disk volumes?J Why Isn't Anyone Talking About The Jewish Factor?     ------   O2FWkjRhiNu  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:22:05 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>D Subject: ANN: FreeeTDS 0.62 Sybase & MS SQL client software releasedT Message-ID: <craigberry-6A4A58.19220511012004@dsl081-159-101.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net>  E FreeTDS is a collection of free, open source libraries and utilities  H for communicating with databases that use the TDS (Tabular Data Stream) F protocol.  This includes Microsoft SQL Server and all Sybase database H products.  Version 0.62 is the first to include VMS build support.  See  the full announcement at:   % http://freshmeat.net/releases/147641/   ? For download links and other information, see the home page at:    http://www.freetds.org  > Before building on VMS, I strongly recommend reading the file E [.vms]README.vms from the distribution, which is also available here:   I http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/freetds/freetds/vms/READ  ME.vms?rev=1.2   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:59:35 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>! Subject: Can't boot. Please help. * Message-ID: <r2hMb.8595$wf1.7724@edtnps89>  + AlphaServer AS1000A 4/266 (hobbyist system)  OpenVMS 7.3   B I seem to have offended the gods, somewhat.  I rebooted my system C yesterday and received a blank screen for my efforts.  No hardware  G detection messages, nothing; only the little blurb about BIOS versions  G appears before the screen goes black.  This was after several attempts  D to resolve a strange network problem by rebooting.  Anyone have any / clues on how to revive or diagnose the problem?    Here's what led up to it:   H Yesterday, I shut down my system in preparation for an upgrade from VMS H 7.3 to 7.3.1.  I booted from the newly burned CD-ROM, but it apparently D lacked a proper boot sector.  I had just used burner software I was I unfamiliar with, so the results were a little disappointing, but perhaps   not unexpected.   H I was surprised, however, that once I rebooted normally from the system G disk, that I could not connect to this system with TELNET.  I did have  G an SSH server running, so I then tried that.  Strangely, I was able to  D connect using a normal user account, but connections as SYSTEM were C refused because of an invalid password (yes, I know the password)!?   H I tried several conversational boots, but TELNET remained broken.  This I despite the fact I could PING the VMS system and could also see from the  H user account, i.e. with "$ TCPIP SHOW SERVICE TELNET/FULL", that Telnet * was enabled and listening for connections.   Regards, Alder    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Jan 2004 20:33:39 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)% Subject: Re: Can't boot. Please help. 0 Message-ID: <btsbv3$7ei$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  U In article <r2hMb.8595$wf1.7724@edtnps89>, Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> writes:  > C >I seem to have offended the gods, somewhat.  I rebooted my system  D >yesterday and received a blank screen for my efforts.  No hardware H >detection messages, nothing; only the little blurb about BIOS versions H >appears before the screen goes black.  This was after several attempts E >to resolve a strange network problem by rebooting.  Anyone have any  0 >clues on how to revive or diagnose the problem?  M I am not quite sure at what stage your system stops. After a power-on you see F some messages about BIOS versions (white text, black background), soonF thereafter the background is blue and you see some results of hardwareJ diagnostics such as "F..E..D.." until you come to the boot prompt ">>>" orJ the systems starts booting directly. Are you telling us that you don't see7 the blue background, only the very first BIOS messages?    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:36:31 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: ds10l blowout0 Message-ID: <40019411.2DEDE864@blueyonder.co.uk>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > "Clay M. Denton" wrote:  > > X > > That's what I've done when doing system testing and firmware upgrades.  Works great.O > > Of course, you can always to an ISL or firmware update from and InfoServer.  > G > Well, that'd be cool, except - where does one get an InfoServer these H > days, especially for installation at a client site (on-going support)? >   J Presumably it is theoretically possible to run infoserver software on SimhK or other VAX emulator, if all the "bits" (firmware, software, possible mods  to emulator) were available.       --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:28:50 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>  Subject: Re: ds10l blowout= Message-ID: <mLmMb.11236$uF6.3705762@news1.news.adelphia.net>    Jeff Morgan wrote:  L > Heck, buy a 200GB ide drive for $125 and keep all of the Layered Products,; > OS and freeware disks online ALL the time. (just kidding)   D HP has only tested the IDE driver with the drives that HP sells and * currently they are much smaller than that.  F With the 7.3-2 driver, or 7.3-1 and the ECO kit, I think that you can F only go up to around 120 Gb.  Sometime after that the IDE command set  changes again.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:41:46 -0500 0 From: "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com> Subject: Re: ds10l blowout- Message-ID: <btt52t$dj7c$1@news3.infoave.net>    Easy...     - Remove the caseL  - put the system next to the refrigerator and open the door to keep the EV6 processor cool:  - install a bigger IDE hard drive (whatever is supported)  - plug in a cheap IDE cdrom7  - boot the VMS OS installation disk from the IDE cdrom   - install VMS  - reboot with VMS>  - then mount and copy each of the 15 or so CDroms to separate$ subdirectories on the IDE hard drive  - Shut down system   - remove the CDrom reader  - put the case back on   - close the refrigerator door   Repeat when necessary...   : - D   K Seriously, if you are going to run with the case open for several hours, it K might be a good idea to keep an eye on the heat. I don't have one yet, so I I can't advise you on how hot this thing will get with the cover off. Being L very low profile, there's probably some serious fan ducting going on inside.  I Maybe drilling a hole in the case for the IDE and power connector for the  CDrom might not be too bad.   ; (I'm sure all the HP/CompaQ/DEC engineers just cringed! :-)   K It's a shame there are no USB ports available and a VMS supported USB CDrom L reader. That would have reduced the real estate requirements. A USB external CD would only run about $50.  $                                 Jeff    K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 0 news:400197BA.9D38DB18@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > Jeff Morgan wrote:
 > > [snip]D > > Heck, buy a 200GB ide drive for $125 and keep all of the Layered	 Products, = > > OS and freeware disks online ALL the time. (just kidding)  > H > Well, that'd be cool, except - how does one get the software onto that > disk in the first place? >  > --   > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:03:04 -0800 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> 3 Subject: Re: Hobbyist Layered Product license PAKs? ( Message-ID: <40022A88.9040900@rdrop.com>   Brian 'Jarai' Chase wrote:  > Me: >>Brian Chase wrote:, >>>$ LICENSE REGISTER UCX-IP-CLIENT        -$ >>>$ LICENSE REGISTER UCX-IP-NFS   -$ >>>$ LICENSE REGISTER UCX-IP-RT    - >>K >>But I don't see those. You're saying you have licenses for those in your   >>LP set? Hmm. > F > Yes, those came in the license PAKs generated for me on January 7th.  H Just now I re-requested LP licenses, and this time I got these three in = addition to all the others. Fascinating. (What are they for?)    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2004 11:15:48 -0800% From: jbelicka@shaw.ca (John Belicka) 3 Subject: Migrating Pathworks 5 to Advanced Server 7 = Message-ID: <ffd7b0f0.0401111115.33d557ca@posting.google.com>   < I'm looking for advice on how to proceed with the following:  
 Situation:A I have a VAXcluster running Pathworks 5.0f (patched) as well as a F standalone development VAX also running the same version of Pathworks.  D The standalone has unique file and print shares but is somehow setup@ to get it's authentication from the VAXcluster Pathworks domain.  B On the other side of the room I'm setting up the equivalent config@ using Alphaservers. These will be running VMS 7.3-1 and Advanced server 7.3.    F DECNET IV and Plus are in use with Multinet being the common IP stack.9 I believe Pathworks is currently running using DECnet IV.      Requirement:E As this is a hardware/software replacement only at this time, could I > get some fundamental feedback on how to best configure the new5 environment to look as much like the old as possible.   C I believe we want to set up our own domain with a trusted domain on B the development box. Participation with an in-house NT (soon to beF W2003 AD domain)needs be very basic only - we share printers and allow@ WIN-users access to shares obviously. I haven't discussed shared? authentication with the WIN-side of the IT group at this point.     C Please keep in mind I'm NOT a PWks guru, just a VMS systems manager : who has inheritted the maintenance (for now) of a requiredD configuration. So I'm after an overview commentary and then pointersE to the doc to execute on this migration. Later, well, we'll see about  later...   Thanks in advance  John B   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 00:39:59 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> O Subject: Re: Oracle Rdb on GS1280 with 7.3-2 exceeds 1 million transactions per I Message-ID: <z1mMb.93346$AAe1.86691@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    Main, Kerry wrote:G >>> Yep - did not mean to infer Interbase preceeded Rdb. As you stated,  >>> Interbase came after Rdb.  >>> > >>> Not sure what the latest is on Interbase, but last I heard >> was that it >>> is now open source.  >> >>- >> http://sourceforge.net/projects/interbase/  >>@ >> It may be worth poking around in the source or contacting the< >> remains of Borland to see where all the VMS specific bits1 >> reside. Interbase was a pretty decent product.  >> >> >> > B > John - yep, ran great on OpenVMS as it was fully clusterable. InB > fact, I know of one very mission critical customer that is still@ > running Interbase (V3.x) in a VMS V7.3-1 SAN cluster. They are2 > however, converting their database to Oracle 9i. >  > Btw - thx for the pointer.   You're welcome.   J Interbase was really nice because it ran well with relatively small memoryA requirements (a big deal back in VAX days of the 80's) and it was J inexpensive. I really liked the multi-versioning (can't recall the correctG name of it right now) capability to snapshot the db for reporting while  continuing processing TP stuff.   J And it didn't need a hell of a lot of tuning to run well either. It was inH its own way similar to the old Watcom SQL product (now Sybase SQL ServerL Anywhere) - throw it on a machine and it did a lot of its own extents etc...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:53:34 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> ) Subject: RE: Rally VAX to Alpha Migration R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2379FE@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>  H > Yeow.  If I were that customer, I might now be feeling a bit like I=20D > bought /too much/ replacement hardware.  80% is a hell of a lot of
 head room. >=20  D >> But from a Disaster Tolerance point of view there is (at least inB >> theory) enough CPU power there to run the lot on only one node.  D Paul, coincidentally, that was one of the original concepts for thisG cluster i.e. a three node cluster with a quorum disk set to 2 votes and G each system=3D1 vote so that 2 nodes could be down and the applications  would still be available.      Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jan 2004 06:59:56 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>A Subject: Re: Secure Web Server Version 2.0 available for download 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-SydqYC54Mtkd@localhost>   F On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 09:15:04 UTC, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  wrote:   > Dave Weatherall wrote:B > > I'm at home and can't check my RMS manual but I don't rememberF > > anything about Stream_LF files that make it easier to determine orF > > estimate byte-wise file-length over and above normal fixed length. > A > ((number of blocks - 1) * 512) + offset of EOF into last block.  > J > Stream-LF is really a "binary" file. The only difference is that the RMS3 > attributes allow an application to see "records".   C Thanks JF.  What I was missing is the fact that if the text (html)  D file is created as counted length (with/without VFC) then the above > calculation will include the record-length bytes in the count.  8 OTOH if the file is then served up as a stream of LF or C null-terminated strings (I dunno what the standard says) then that  C length overhead will be removed and the transmitted length will be  C different from the on-disk length. However,  what happens on an MS  A platform if the served file is a classic MS-DOS CR/LF terminated  F 'text' file? What are MS based Web Servers doing? Are they sending the3 file 'as is' or converting to stream_lf on the fly?   F Mark points out that the standard may not actually require the length F information in all cases. When it does, I would have thought it would F be the kind of information the Web Server could/should 'cache'. On VMSA (and other platforms) this might lead to a number of strategies,  A depending on the precise requirement. Again, I am insufficiently  < knowledgeable about Web-Serving to take the thought further.   N > With variable length records, an application does not see the same number of" > bytes as are stored in the file.  % True and it's rarely a concern but...   L > Consider that a lot of modern applications require file length, and randomM > access to a specific location into a file.  Even older applicatiosn such as  > Xmodem, Ymodem require this.  E Yes but IIRC, and I haven't used these for years, didn't they assume  F the same record organisation at each end of the transfer? or did they * differentiate between text and binary too?  P > It is time for VMS to truly support the storage of file length into a file. ItO > costs a lot less to "pay" for this when you write it once, that when you read . > the file thousands of times during the day .  P > Perhaps for variable length files, RMS could maintain the number of data butesO > stored as well as the number of records. Then, an application could calculate P > the file size by adding to the total data bytes, the number of bytes that willN > be used by the rcord delimiter (number of records * number of bytes for each > record delimiter).    Indeed, it might come in useful.   -  Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:37:42 -0600 5 From: "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info> 1 Subject: Slightly OT: Code Red on the rise again? 9 Message-ID: <btsj7t$b10sv$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>    Hello,  E just noticed in my logs that since Jan 8th I am getting requests for  G default.ida, which is the way Code Red attacks IIS servers. Since I do  G run my server on VMS I am not affected (besides of the fact that these  D idiotic requests spoil my log). Is this an isolated occurance or do  others see this too?   Greetings, Martin    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2004 19:19:19 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Code Red on the rise again? 3 Message-ID: <WWHrSRhKl43V@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <btsj7t$b10sv$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info> writes:    _Slightly_ ?  % VMS systems should be totally immune.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:26:55 -0600 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>5 Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Code Red on the rise again? / Message-ID: <00A2BC09.B84269E7.5@tachysoft.com>   . >From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms6 >Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Code Red on the rise again?! >Date: 11 Jan 2004 19:19:19 -0600    > 
 >_Slightly_ ?  > & >VMS systems should be totally immune.    L Sure, there's no actual damage or disruption, but that horseshit clutters upJ the web server logs and wastes disk space.  I periodically restart the web' servers so that the logs can be purged. O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== B Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:54:07 -0600 5 From: "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info> 5 Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Code Red on the rise again? 9 Message-ID: <btt28m$b18na$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:s > In article <btsj7t$b10sv$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info> writes:  >  > _Slightly_ ? > ' > VMS systems should be totally immune. 	 Hi Larry,   J yes, slightly, since it only affects people running webservers on OpenVMS.  A I would expect any responsible person to check the logs of their  A internet connected servers regularly. I for one think my setup is H ok, but I do not have mathematical proof and I do not think most others I will have. So to make sure your webserver is still all right you have to  F check the logs. This is a "new" attack, coming from various different D servers. I had to look up what it means and thought I share it with / fellow VMS webmasters, so they do not have too.   I As for immune, this is also not totally true. While a VMS server can not  B be >>infected<< (as I wrote in my first mail) it certainly can be F  >>affected<< by a Code Red wave. Every time such a request comes the F server has to look-up again if the file exists and possibly deliver a D custom error document (depending on server config). So you actually G might consider creating a very small one, which then can be served out  F of the cache. Obviously you need to know about any such attack to take these measures.    Greetings, Martin   I P.S. And then there is the fact that most of the population here has not  F the luxury of running in pure VMS environments, but does need to care  about Windows threats too...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:25:01 +0100 $ From: Felix Deichmann <f.dei@web.de>, Subject: Re: Study on IP-ID of TCPware 5.6-28 Message-ID: <m8f30053evcvub8s1o1j9bk9p0q1nq725d@4ax.com>  	 Hi again.   C I apologize for posting such a study on public USENET newsgroups. I % wasn't aware of the right proceeding. = I wouldn't consider the IP-ID problem as critical as other IP + vulnerabilities, but nevertheless... sorry!   E (Cold comfort: There are also Windows servers with IP-ID increment of  1 on the net :-))    Regards    Felix    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:53:03 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, Subject: Re: To all "patriotic" americans...6 Message-ID: <40019B8F.F2DC14A7@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Stuart Friedman wrote: > N > Andrew Carnegie was the founder of US Steel in the 19th century and was thatF > century's Bill Gates.  He was the richest man in the world, probablyM > exceeding most monarchs.  In the second half of his life, he must have felt H > some guilt about the way he did business in the first half, because heM > started giving away money to thousands of academic institutions, libraries,  > and foundations.    H I don't think it was guilt so much as being desirous of leaving a legacyG other than that of one of great "robber barons". Employees of his steel G empire lived at or below the border of poverty, despite the enormity of 8 his wealth and commercial success. Steel workers enduredH life-threatening working conditions and usurious working hours for a pay? scale that today would bring legal calamity to such an employer G (although it is the model by which the 3rd world employers now operate, ; which makes "exporting" jobs economically attractive to the  robber-barons of today).  B Egotism aside, it is not unheard-of, though it is unusual, for theD "filthy rich" to eventually feel a need to "give something back". If@ they happen to get their name emblazoned upon facades nation- or, world-wide, well, such is the price of fame.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:59:23 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>, Subject: Re: To all "patriotic" americans...2 Message-ID: <btshkt$2o9$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Stuart Friedman wrote:N > Andrew Carnegie was the founder of US Steel in the 19th century and was thatF > century's Bill Gates.  He was the richest man in the world, probablyM > exceeding most monarchs.  In the second half of his life, he must have felt H > some guilt about the way he did business in the first half, because heM > started giving away money to thousands of academic institutions, libraries,  > and foundations.    P And he also funded the Peace Palace in The Hague, where the International Court P has its seat. This is the court that deals with differences of opinions between Q states, and should not be confused with the International Criminal Court that is  M also seated in The Hague. The latter court deals with war crimes etc. The US  O once suggested the founding of this court, but is now sabotaging it because of  O the very remote chance that a US citizen or serviceman might be brought before  Q it. That is almost impossible, because the court can only handle charges against  O persons who can not be charged in their own country. A nice person like Saddam  P Houssein could in principle be charged for this court if Iraq is not capable of B doing so. It is better to let people like him walk free I suppose.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:04:13 -0500 " From: Tony Reed <trljc@altern.org>, Subject: Re: To all "patriotic" americans...7 Message-ID: <gomMb.3310$1K1.4887@news20.bellglobal.com>   6 In article <40019B8F.F2DC14A7@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>,B  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote:  I :I don't think it was guilt so much as being desirous of leaving a legacy 2 :other than that of one of great "robber barons".   G These old "robber barons" all made their money befoe income taxes were  G introduced. This is more important than one might think. I blame Henry  9 Ford for Walmart. I blame the Romans for everything else.  --  	 Tony Reed  <trljc@altern.org>2  Some of us are Outlaws, and some Trespassers upon#  the very World. -- Thomas  Pynchon    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:47:38 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)5 Subject: Re: VMS naming conventions for disk volumes? $ Message-ID: <bts5oa$v81$1@online.de>  D In article <jjMLb.5804$tF7.4577@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>, Michael9 Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> writes:    L > > When you have more systems in the cluster (or even before that), I wouldI > > really, really, really recommend host-based volume shadowing.  Except  > H > Unless you have a storage sub-system that would make it immune to the J > failures and frustrations you will end up with by using HBVS in a large E > cluster environment -- like using an EVA with Business Copy - cool  I > stuff!!!  Essentially the same thing, only the mirror is maintained at  C > the controller level - offloading the system CPU to do real work.   G This can be a single point of failure compared to a shadow set mounted   on multiple nodes.  J > And I also do not use MSCP -- we have NO local drives in any server. If E > you do, then you might as  well have a Sun or other Unix "cluster"  < > because if that system dies, so does your disk connection.  < Not with members of a shadow set mounted on different nodes.   > Can you spell SAN? :)   ? For the typical hobbyist, the question is "can I afford a SAN"?    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jan 2004 15:37:52 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: VMS naming conventions for disk volumes? 3 Message-ID: <Im2$BsQ$EgAA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <bts5oa$v81$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: F > In article <jjMLb.5804$tF7.4577@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>, Michael; > Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> writes:     >> Can you spell SAN? :) > A > For the typical hobbyist, the question is "can I afford a SAN"?   5 No, that would be the question for a _rich_ hobbyist.   H The question for the _typical_ hobbyist would be "can I afford multiport% parallel SCSI controllers from eBay".    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:28:16 GMT ( From: Truth_In_Media_Please@hagsymut.eduS Subject: Why Isn't Anyone Talking About The Jewish Factor?     ------   O2FWkjRhiNu , Message-ID: <A76B4439.F8AFE14B@hagsymut.edu>  N Governor Howard Dean is married to a Jewish woman and their children are beingW brought up in the Jewish faith. This has little relevancy for domestic matters, but its M impact of foreign relations cannot be ignored, especially in an age where our O greatest foreign policy challenge is repairing relations with the Muslim world.  - M Just something to think about, as the press has been less than forthcoming on 9 this extremely relevant facet of this candidates profile.  -  END  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  - C Where will we tease after Elmo joins the lower obelisk's sticker?   G Never promise a ache!  If you will look Saad's night on doses, it will  @ biweekly laugh the farmer.  Many dusts wickedly call the humble > sunshine.  How doesn't Hakim change partly?  When did Cristof = attack within all the spoons?  We can't receive shoes unless  D Bill will sadly care afterwards.  Just answering outside a envelope @ to the doorway is too dirty for Mhammed to dye it.  Every sharp D shopkeepers are stale and other abysmal oranges are proud, but will C Gul excuse that?  Nowadays Nell will recollect the bandage, and if  A Marla weekly sows it too, the can will hate to the glad square.   C Rahavan, still irrigating, smells almost seemingly, as the painter  = improves below their fig.  When did Charles play the printer  I towards the poor tag?  If you'll learn Hamza's river with puddles, it'll  C wanly cover the raindrop.  Don't try to live the counters quietly,  I grasp them undoubtably.  How will you comb the bad quiet coconuts before  A Ed does?  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