0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 18 Jan 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 34      Contents:= bill gates introduce latest technologies at conference  [not] A Re: bill gates introduce latest technologies at conference  [not] A Re: bill gates introduce latest technologies at conference  [not]  Freeware CD - DFU install D Re: HP Integrity Superdome server sets world record for 10-terabyte, Re: Mozilla on Alpha question  Re: Mozilla on Alpha question  Re: OPC DA client . Outgoing SMTP messages have broken From: lines2 Re: Outgoing SMTP messages have broken From: lines Re: Pages in a print file. Re: Pages in a print file. stupid backup tricks (long)  telnet problem?  Re: telnet problem?  Re: The Inquirer Re: vms and floppy  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2004 11:38:23 -0800' From: doug_mentohl@yahoo.co.uk (Daeron) F Subject: bill gates introduce latest technologies at conference  [not]= Message-ID: <da46811d.0401171138.202d0856@posting.google.com>   6 2,000 software developers to attend MDC 2004 - Bahrain Bahrain Tribune Jan 17 2004  .  . B Microsoft Middle East Developers Conference 2004 (MDC 2004), is anB annual, regional conference that Microsoft organises in the MiddleF East, with the objective of introducing the latest technologies to the? region's developer community. Bill Gates, Microsoft Corporation A Chairman and Chief Software Architect, is expected to deliver the ! keynote speech at the conference.  .  . C "MDC 2004 is designed to attract cutting edge developers, designers B and software architects that plan to lead the software development% sector in this region," he explained.     D ".. next generation technologies .. software development industry ..C robust  .. secure .. scalable .. reliable solutions .. customers .. < ease-of-use .. cost effectiveness .. flexibility embedded ..C technologies .. rich .. rapid development capabilities .. Microsoft 4 platform .. innovation .. commercial .. software ...  7 http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?StoryId=39269   ) jesus H. christ ... what a mouth full ...   F translation: In a microsoft financed conference bill gates gets to say> innovation and windows in the same sentence. A giant marketing exercise is all.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:23:48 -0600 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>J Subject: Re: bill gates introduce latest technologies at conference  [not]/ Message-ID: <00A2C08D.FCAA162E.3@tachysoft.com>   ( >From: doug_mentohl@yahoo.co.uk (Daeron) >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsG >Subject: bill gates introduce latest technologies at conference  [not] ! >Date: 17 Jan 2004 11:38:23 -0800      > E >".. next generation technologies .. software development industry .. D >robust  .. secure .. scalable .. reliable solutions .. customers ..= >ease-of-use .. cost effectiveness .. flexibility embedded .. D >technologies .. rich .. rapid development capabilities .. Microsoft5 >platform .. innovation .. commercial .. software ...  > 8 >http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?StoryId=39269 > * >jesus H. christ ... what a mouth full ... > G >translation: In a microsoft financed conference bill gates gets to say ? >innovation and windows in the same sentence. A giant marketing  >exercise is all.       O It's also the only way you could possibly hear "robust" or "secure" in the same  sentence as "microsoft".  K Unless, of course, the sentence was: "Billy Gates and the rest of Microsoft M wouldn't know a robust or secure operating system if it bit them on the ass."    Wayne O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== B Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:16:39 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>J Subject: Re: bill gates introduce latest technologies at conference  [not]) Message-ID: <4009A634.4986BA5D@istop.com>   
 Daeron wrote: H > translation: In a microsoft financed conference bill gates gets to say@ > innovation and windows in the same sentence. A giant marketing > exercise is all.  N BBC's "Click on Line" programme last week had a report on Comdex or some otherK very large electronics show. Microsoft had a "house" and wanted to convince N everyone that you'd have a PC running all the entertainment in your home, from the TV, Radio etc.    G Interesting how Carly has been toeing the Microsoft line recently, also J talking about the future being in the home entertainment centre where a PC= will handle everything from TV, movies, pictures, sounds etc.   H If Microsoft can convince the satellite receiver companies to open theirM architectures and let a PC get the raw MPEG feed from the satellite so it can N record it on its own hard drives, then perhaps that would be a good thing. ButL that would open up a whole debate similar to MP3s stealing sales. One personJ pays the $5.00 to get the right to watch a pay per view movie, and half anM hour after the movie, the whole movie is on a web site ready to be downloaded " for free by the rest of the world.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 05:36:34 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>" Subject: Freeware CD - DFU install+ Message-ID: <CXoOb.28566$Eq.11782@clgrps12>   8 Is it me or is something wrong with the PRODUCT utility?  I I want to install the DFU utility off the freeware CDROM (at HP's site),   but I this message comes up:   ... E %PCSI-W-SFTREF, product DEC AXPVMS DFU V3.0 references DEC AXPVMS VMS E -PCSI-W-SFTRF1, referenced product is not installed and a kit is not  	 available  ...   # What software am I missing exactly?    $ tcpip show version  4    HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.44    on a AlphaServer 1000A 4/266 running OpenVMS V7.3   $ product show utility: POLYCENTER Software Installation utility version: V7.3-3006      Product Configuration File (PCF) support level: 14      Product Description File (PDF) support level: 8-      Product Text File (PTF) support level: 2    $ product install *   ;     1 - DEC AXPVMS DFU V3.0                 Layered Product ;     2 - DEC AXPVMS DFU V2.7-A               Layered Product !     3 - All products listed above      4 - Exit  = Choose one or more items from the menu separated by commas: 1   E %PCSI-W-SFTREF, product DEC AXPVMS DFU V3.0 references DEC AXPVMS VMS E -PCSI-W-SFTRF1, referenced product is not installed and a kit is not  	 available J -PCSI-W-SFTRF2, note that if the software dependency is expressed within aG -PCSI-W-SFTRF3,   configuration option of the referencing product, the   optionG -PCSI-W-SFTRF4,   will be marked unselectable to allow installation to   proceed  Do you want to continue? [YES]  ( The following product has been selected:;      DEC AXPVMS DFU V3.0                    Layered Product    Do you want to continue? [YES]    Configuration phase starting ...  G You will be asked to choose options, if any, for each selected product   and for B any products that may be installed to satisfy software dependency 
 requirements.   I %PCSIUI-E-SWREFUNSAT, one or more software references cannot be satisfied   >      * Product DEC AXPVMS DFU V3.0 cannot be processed because=      * one or more software dependencies (identified earlier) =      * on other products cannot be satisfied.  Make available =      * the prerequisite product kits and retry the operation.   D %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error 	 condition  $    Thanks, for reading. Alder    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:45:41 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> M Subject: Re: HP Integrity Superdome server sets world record for 10-terabyte, 0 Message-ID: <ntidnWRx64aPJpTd4p2dnA@comcast.com>  G CA is still a nightmare to deal with!  I sent them a license request a  H week ago and still have not had a reply.  It seems that the latest ES40 H firmware upgrade changed the hardware name from "Compaq Alphaserver..." ? to "Alphaserver..." which broke the "perpetual" licenses I had.   H Unfortunately, we sank a bunch of money into the Polycenter Performance H Advisor, Console Manager, and Watchdog and now we are stuck with them.  I Left to my own devices I would never buy anything from them unless I had  H to have it and there was no other source.  I wouldn't recommend them to G anyone else unless there was no other source for what they had to have.    Main, Kerry wrote:  ? >>Yeah, that crossed my mind too.  Never dealt with CA myself,  E >>but I've heard all the horror stories about good products gone bad.  >>? >>True, I would also prefer vms be bought by somebody not also  > >>mired in eunuchs and the billyworld, and who would allow it ) >>to compete, but somebody other than CA.  >> >>Wayne @ >>============================================================== >>================= = >>Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738     >>wayne@tachysoft.com = >>http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    @ >>============================================================== >>================= D >>Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?". >>	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?" >> >>     >> >  >Wayne,  > I >While there were some past issues, the CA folks I have talked to at some A >recent events appear to indicate a different attitude right now.  > < >As an example, check out CA's OpenVMS specific web site at:7 >http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/ProductFamily.asp?ID=4017  > G >From what I have heard (perhaps someone can confirm?), the prices have 0 >also come down at lot in the last 12-18 months. >  >Regards >  >Kerry Main  >Senior Consultant >HP Services Canada  >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax: 613-591-4477 >Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom- >(remove the DOT's and AT for email address)   >    >    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jan 04 14:01:48 EST) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) & Subject: Re: Mozilla on Alpha question! Message-ID: <rtSy5qxxILcf@wvnvms>   X In article <buama3$v3f$1@pcls4.std.com>, bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) writes:5 > In article <v89gV8rSpVLW@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 > Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:S >> In article <bu9tp2$613$1@pcls4.std.com>, bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase) writes: 8 >> > In article <y77N3L676oBF@eisner.encompasserve.org>,3 >> > Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:  > H >> > True, but I really don't see why separating these platform specific< >> > environment bits out from the exe is such a bad thing.  >>  B >> I understand that to some people the difference may not matter.; >> You should understand that to some of us it does matter.  > ? > In what way, and to what quantifiable extent, does the chosen E > implementation negatively affect your system and your productivity?  > K >> > > I am interested in what is reasonable for the VMS end user, not what H >> > > makes the developer's life easier.  This is the same as any other >> > > piece of software.  >> >E >> > Well, it is /free/ afterall which makes it rather different from J >> > commercial software, and Mozilla does work.  I'm a bit more inclined H >> > to let the developers do whatever they want, when they're providingG >> > me with a very functional and useful piece of software at no cost.  >>F >> You are making a good argument for avoiding "free" software if that! >> is the attitude of proponents.  > H > My experience has been that the vast majority of the developers behindH > free software are willing to accomodate their end users.  My point is J > that /nobody/ has the /right/ to expect anything more of the developers E > than the developers have offered.  It certainly doesn't hurt to ask G > (politely) and to present well reasoned arguments backing your views. I > Beyond that, you've always got the source and at least have the option  6 > to make the software work the way you want yourself. > I > In the case of commercial software, it's true that you've got leverage  L > as a paying customer.  But even then, unless you're a significant customerJ > or there are a lot of little customers with the same problem, your moneyL > may not do you any good at all.  What recourse do you have when commercialH > software vendors ignore your feature requests and bug reports?  Zilch. > K > I'm certainly not arguing that free software is the answer to everything. J > If there's a commercial alternative that meets your requirements, and itC > makes sense to pay for it, by all means spend your money on it.    > G >> > Ouch.  So tell me, exactly what web browser would you be using if  ' >> > Mozilla hadn't been ported to VMS?  >>  6 >> One that had been ported in a VMS-standard fashion. > ; > What, you mean that version of Mosaic from the mid-1990s?   E FWIW, the last release of VMS Mosaic came out in 2000.  A new release C with support for IA64, HP SSL, Motif (1.2-6 thru 1.4-1), 24-bit BMP 7 images, etc. will be out in the not too distant future.      George Cook  WVNET    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:09:35 -0600 5 From: "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@zinser.no-ip.info> & Subject: Re: Mozilla on Alpha question9 Message-ID: <bucfbf$fmate$1@ID-209632.news.uni-berlin.de>    George Cook wrote:  ; >>What, you mean that version of Mosaic from the mid-1990s?  >  > G > FWIW, the last release of VMS Mosaic came out in 2000.  A new release E > with support for IA64, HP SSL, Motif (1.2-6 thru 1.4-1), 24-bit BMP 9 > images, etc. will be out in the not too distant future.  >  > 
 > George Cook  > WVNET   G This is absolutly great!!! Will you revive the VMS-Mosaic mailing list  ; once you have something you want others to comment/work on?    Greetings, Martin    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2004 12:05:46 -08000 From: keith.cayemberg@conti.de (Keith Cayemberg) Subject: Re: OPC DA client= Message-ID: <3a65a5c8.0401171205.78c99e76@posting.google.com>   e "Jean Mertens" <jmertens@skynet.be> wrote in message news:<40080996$0$309$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>... E > Any OPC DA client available for VMS : references, source code , ...  > Thanks   Hi Jean,   try the following URLs...      BASEstar HMIG http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/software/solutions/basestar/hmi.html   : GE Fanuc Automation North America - DataViews Software Ltd? http://www.gefanucautomation.com/products/dataviews/default.asp . http://www.opceurope.org/members/dataviews.htm  3 Hardy Software Systems, Inc. - ObjectControl/System  http://www.hsoft.com/opc.asp http://www.hsoft.com/Ocs.asp  8 Matrikon OPC Server for Aspentech Setcim InfoPlusX (VMS)G http://www.opcfoundation.org/05_products/05_prod_details.asp?prodid=673 : http://www.matrikon.com/drivers/Details.asp?NameListID=936  ' Matrikon - OPC Server for Honeywell PHD : http://www.matrikon.com/drivers/details.asp?NameListID=911   OP Resource Center @ Matrikon $ http://www.matrikon.com/drivers/opc/  & OPC DA Clients List (not VMS specific)3 http://www.matrikon.com/drivers/index.asp?filter=65   C For those people who are interested in learning more about OPC here  are a couple  more links...    OPC Foundation http://www.opcfoundation.org/   
 OPC Europe http://www.opceurope.org/    Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg . IBM Business Services GmbH - Hannover, Germany   Disclaimer: = As I have not personally used any of these products, I do not B recommend, endorse or vouch for any of these products in regard to3 their quality or usefulness for a specific purpose.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:49:45 GMT $ From: Steve Young <sdyoung@well.com>7 Subject: Outgoing SMTP messages have broken From: lines B Message-ID: <slrnc0jm2m.25t5.steve@h68-144-59-39.cg.shawcable.net>     Hello,  H   I'm having a strange problem with outgoing mail coming from my VMS 7.3G box running Compaq TCP/IP services version 5.1 ECO 5.  I've just set up G SMTP recently, and I noticed that all outgoing mail has the domain name K as the username in the From: line.  So, if I send mail as user SDYOUNG from ' baxter.foo.org, the recipient will see:      From: FOO.ORG@baxter.foo.org  K   Which is, of course, incorrect.  I've turned on verbose logging and this  K is in in fact the address VMS is using for the MAIL FROM: line when talking L to the remote mail server.  Does anyone have any ideas what might be causing this?   	   Thanks,    Steve.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:07:32 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>; Subject: Re: Outgoing SMTP messages have broken From: lines ) Message-ID: <4009DC41.A1A7FEE7@istop.com>    Steve Young wrote:  >   From: FOO.ORG@baxter.foo.org  K check out the logical TCPIP$SMTP_FROM both systemwide and at the individual  process level.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:07:25 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com># Subject: Re: Pages in a print file. ) Message-ID: <4009A40B.DBCCD576@istop.com>    Insomnee_a wrote: M > Has anyone got a method for working out the number of pages in a print file 9 > or how to count the number of form feeds within a file?   M You can use the accounting utility and record print jobs. The number of pages J printed is recorded. (DCPS does this by inquiring from printer its currentN page count, then sending the print job, and then getting the page count again.F Subtract the two and you have the number of pages printed in that job.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:05:11 +0000 (UTC) 0 From: "Insomnee_a" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com># Subject: Re: Pages in a print file. / Message-ID: <bucf37$kjl$1@titan.btinternet.com>   L "Graham Burley" <burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org> wrote in message3 news:40095236.17B7A8C2@encompasserve-or-this.org...  > Insomnee_a wrote:  > > J > > Has anyone got a method for working out the number of pages in a print file >  > Before or after you print it?  > ; > > or how to count the number of form feeds within a file?  > ( > $ sea a.txt "''f$fao("!^")'"/log/noout >   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:4009A40B.DBCCD576@istop.com...  > Insomnee_a wrote: J > > Has anyone got a method for working out the number of pages in a print file; > > or how to count the number of form feeds within a file?  > I > You can use the accounting utility and record print jobs. The number of  pages L > printed is recorded. (DCPS does this by inquiring from printer its currentI > page count, then sending the print job, and then getting the page count  again.H > Subtract the two and you have the number of pages printed in that job.    J I would want to know before in the case that I was thinking about, howeverL JF's suggestion I didnt know anything about and that too would be useful forL stock control purposes for our operators. I will investigate both. Thanks to	 you both.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:44:45 -0600 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>$ Subject: stupid backup tricks (long)/ Message-ID: <00A2C090.E97F86C1.7@tachysoft.com>   J Note: this is not a bug report, or an implication that vms backup is doingK anything wrong.  The operation attempted is invalid and not supported.  The M only suggestion would be for backup to detect this weird condition and abort, N or at least tell the user it is happening.  It does this in similar cases, butI obviously the backup developers didn't visualize someone doing this.  :-)   N Note #2:  I did *not* do this myself.  A customer did.  I just had to diagnose+ it, because tapesys got blamed for it.  :-)     H Many vms fans are familiar with the concept of a pseudo disk, which is aO concealed logical that makes an arbitrary directory on a real disk appear to be M an independent disk.  This should not be confused with a virtual disk such as E vddriver, which implements a simulated disk in a flat container file.   N To implement a pseudo disk, one simply defines a concealed logical pointing to6 a directory on a real disk, which can be at any level.  
 For instance:   I $ define/sys/exec/trans=conc pseudo_disk real_disk:[a.few.levels.pseudo.]   G Note the ".]" at the end.  This is required for this mechansim to work.   L From this point on the pseudo device can be treated like a real disk in manyK ways.  For instance, "dir pseudo_disk:[mydir]" will show the same files as  M "dir real_disk:[a.few.levels.pseudo.mydir]", though they will appear to be in O the top level directory of the nonexistent pseudo disk.  The [000000] directory F is also simulated in that "dir pseudo_disk:[000000]" is equivalent to & "dir real_disk:[a.few.levels.pseudo]".    N In most ways, the pseudo disk behaves the same as a real disk, and can be used	 as one.     F This is sometimes used to simulate user disks, at sites where all userH directories are actually in one tree, as subdirectories under [USERS] or something similar.     For instance, you can have:   @ $ define/sys/exec/trans=conceal joes_disk user_disk:[users.joe.]B $ define/sys/exec/trans=conceal mikes_disk user_disk:[users.mike.]  N and each user will appear to have his own disk, even though he really doesn't.F As long as the logical is defined during system startup as /system andN concealed, it can even be in the uaf, i.e. the device is "mikes_disk:" and theG dir is [000000], which would mean the default directory and location of $ login.com is user_disk:[users.mike].  M You can even backup and restore pseudo disks, and the backup listing reflects G the viewpoint of the pseudo disk, i.e. it appears to be the backup of a   physical disk called mikes_disk.    H However, the pseudo disk is *not* a real disk, so not all operations are
 supported.  O In particular, you can't do an IMAGE backup of a pseudo disk.  This is what the : customer tried to do, and the results were a little weird.  L If you know anything about backup, it is obvious why this can't work.  ImageI backups (and normal backups with the /fast qualifier) scan indexf.sys and O bitmap.sys.  A pseudo disk does not *have* these.  It's just a normal directory , and does not have *any* of the .sys files.      O (Note that again this is different from a virtual disk such as lddriver, which  N *does* have an actual disk structure in the container file and *does* have the sys files.)     < So an image backup of the pseudo disk is in fact impossible.  L The surprising thing is that backup lets you *do* it.  A saveset is created,M and there are no errors or warnings.  As far as you can tell from the command M line, the backup worked perfectly.  But if you look at the list file, or do a N backup/list of the saveset after the fact, what you see is not what you expect and is just plain weird.  J First, every file on the physical disk is backed up, not just those on theL pseudo disk.  Despite what you intended, you have essentially done a regularI image backup of the physical disk.  This sort of makes sense, in that the M pseudo disk does not have an indexf.sys file, so backup fell back to the only % one available, that of the real disk.   O The weird part is how the files appear in the listing.  The file name itself is O correct, but the directory is always "[]" no matter in which directory the file O actually resides, which is basically the same format that lost files appear in.    For instance:     O []MMK.EXE;2                                               291   6-OCT-2003 08:1   ( when the particular file is actually in   E SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MMK.EXE;2   ( from the viewpoint of the real disk and     5 PSEUDO_DISK:[PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MMK.EXE;2   & from the viewpoint of the pseudo disk.    L If you specify /log, you see the same behavior, which is the only indication> you get during the backup that something strange is happening.  0 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]MMK.EXE;2    N My analysis of the behavior is as follows (didn't go to the trouble of looking% at the backup source, just guessing):     O 1.  Since /image was specified, backup just translated the input file spec with M no-conceal and pulled out the device name.  This would be normal behavior for O an image backup, since *just* the device name is supposed to be specified, and  H is the reason that backup simply *did* an image backup of the real disk.  N 2.  The weird directories occurred because backup was unable to figure out theL actual directories.  Files in image backups are selected by file id, not by N name.  Since the entire disk is to be backed up, backup just scans indexf.sys,I and accesses each file by id.  The name and containing directory does not L matter.  In order to generate the complete file spec for the listing and theM file spec that is stored in the saveset itself, the file spec is derived from O the id.  Apparently the use of the pseudo disk as the input spec instead of the M real disk confuses the  id-to-filespec translation, because it is starting at ( the wrong directory  level or something.  K 3.  Normally backup won't allow you to do an image backup of anything other @ than a physical disk.  For instance if you do: "backup/image/logH my_disk:[mydir] nl:honk.hat/save", you get: "%BACKUP-F-IMGFILSPE, /IMAGEM specification must have only device name".  However, the fact that the pseudo J disk *appears* to be a real device, because the logical is concealed, this" check was apparently circumvented.  O Perhaps simply translating with no-conceal before checking the input spec would N allow backup to determine that the input is actually a directory rather than a@ device and the check would succeed in aborting the bogus backup.    M The reason this was blamed on tapesys was because of changes in tapesys 6.1.  M The customer's claim was that this backup worked fine in tapesys 5.2, and the J upgrade screwed things up.  Actually, this problem *was* happening in 5.2,M there were just no indications of it because the error reporting in the older H version isn't as good.   Backup didn't report any errors, so tapesys 5.2L didn't either, and the customer thought the backup was okay.  No telling how$ many years of bad backups were made.  M Since files with a directory of "[]" normally represent an error condition on K the disk, tapesys 6.1 flags them with warning messages as a courtesy to the K customer so the disk can be repaired.  Until now, I thought the only causes B were lost files and directory alias problems (syscommon/vms$commonN inconsistencies), but now we can add image backup of pseudodisks to the list. M I have updated the help/message text for the warning message to include this, O explaining that this is a "doctor, it hurts when I do this" kind of thing.  :-)   M The fix is trivial.  Just drop the /image and backup will do exactly what you O intended: backup all the files on the pseudo disk, with a listing relatative to  the pseudo disk.    K The following command procedure log illustrates this stuff.  smalldisk is a K RZ28 with only a few directories and files on it.  It's only purpose is for O testing image backups without having to wait half the day for them to complete.  :-)     I The important thing to note is that in the backup of the pseudo disk, the K directory is always "[]", no matter where the file actually resides.  Other L than that, it is a normal image backup of the full disk that can actually beJ used for image restores.  The screwed up file names would not matter in an image restore.  N Which brings up a point.  If you do an image restore of a pseudo disk, you areI actually doing an image restore of the full disk, which again was not the N intent.  It's a good way to trash a disk by overwriting it with an old version
 or something.     J ==========================================================================	 $ set ver  $!  + $! define the pseudo_disk concealed logical  $!  M $! Note: smalldisk is a test disk without much on it, ideal for testing image ! $! backups without taking all day  $!   $!  H $ define/proc/exec/trans=conc pseudo_disk smalldisk:[stuff.pseudo_disk.] $!  ( $! sho the pseudo_disk concealed logical $!   $ sho log/ful pseudo_disk Z    "PSEUDO_DISK" [exec] = "SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.]" [concealed] (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) $!   $! sho the full disk $!  % $ dir/nohe/notr smalldisk:[000000...]  SMALLDISK:[000000]000000.DIR;1 SMALLDISK:[000000]BACKUP.SYS;1 SMALLDISK:[000000]BADBLK.SYS;1 SMALLDISK:[000000]BADLOG.SYS;1 SMALLDISK:[000000]BITMAP.SYS;1 SMALLDISK:[000000]CONTIN.SYS;1 SMALLDISK:[000000]CORIMG.SYS;1 SMALLDISK:[000000]INDEXF.SYS;1+ SMALLDISK:[000000]NOT_A_DIRECORY.ANY_MORE;1 # SMALLDISK:[000000]OTHER_STUFF.DIR;1   SMALLDISK:[000000]SECURITY.SYS;1 SMALLDISK:[000000]STUFF.DIR;1  SMALLDISK:[000000]VOLSET.SYS;1% SMALLDISK:[OTHER_STUFF]SHOOMBOP.EXE;1 * SMALLDISK:[STUFF]MY_SYSTEM_STARTUP.COM;140" SMALLDISK:[STUFF]PSEUDO_DISK.DIR;1$ SMALLDISK:[STUFF]SETUP_TEST_JB.COM;6) SMALLDISK:[STUFF]SETUP_TEST_TAPESYS.COM;7 ) SMALLDISK:[STUFF]START_BATCH_QUEUE.COM;22 * SMALLDISK:[STUFF]START_TEST_TAPESYS.COM;19+ SMALLDISK:[STUFF]SYSTEM_MANAGER_LOGIN.COM;6 & SMALLDISK:[STUFF]TAPE_DIAG_LOGS.COM;63$ SMALLDISK:[STUFF]WRITE_UP_TIME.COM;6/ SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK]PSEUDO_STUFF.DIR;1 ; SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF]JAVA_SETUP.COM;13 : SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF]JUKE_SETUP.COM;1A SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF]MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF.DIR;1 F SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MBOX.EXE;1F SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MFTU.EXE;1H SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MGBOOK.EXE;1E SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MMK.EXE;2 S SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MMK_COMPILE_RULES.EXE;1 P SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MOSAIC_TCPWARE.EXE;1D SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MP.EXE;1G SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MPACK.EXE;2 K SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MPEG_PLAY.EXE;1 P SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MRD_SIMULATOR.EXE;34I SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MUNPACK.EXE;2  $!   $! sho the pseudo disk $!  ' $ dir/nohe/notr pseudo_disk:[000000...] & PSEUDO_DISK:[000000]PSEUDO_STUFF.DIR;12 PSEUDO_DISK:[000000.PSEUDO_STUFF]JAVA_SETUP.COM;131 PSEUDO_DISK:[000000.PSEUDO_STUFF]JUKE_SETUP.COM;1 8 PSEUDO_DISK:[000000.PSEUDO_STUFF]MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF.DIR;1= PSEUDO_DISK:[000000.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MBOX.EXE;1 = PSEUDO_DISK:[000000.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MFTU.EXE;1 ? PSEUDO_DISK:[000000.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MGBOOK.EXE;1 < PSEUDO_DISK:[000000.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MMK.EXE;2J PSEUDO_DISK:[000000.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MMK_COMPILE_RULES.EXE;1G PSEUDO_DISK:[000000.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MOSAIC_TCPWARE.EXE;1 ; PSEUDO_DISK:[000000.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MP.EXE;1 > PSEUDO_DISK:[000000.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MPACK.EXE;2B PSEUDO_DISK:[000000.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MPEG_PLAY.EXE;1G PSEUDO_DISK:[000000.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MRD_SIMULATOR.EXE;34 @ PSEUDO_DISK:[000000.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MUNPACK.EXE;2 $!   $! do a regular image backup $!  5 $ backup/image/log/list=smal smalldisk: smal.bak/save 7 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[000000]000000.DIR;1 7 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[000000]BACKUP.SYS;1 B %BACKUP-S-HEADCOPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[000000]BADBLK.SYS;1 headerB %BACKUP-S-HEADCOPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[000000]BADLOG.SYS;1 headerB %BACKUP-S-HEADCOPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[000000]BITMAP.SYS;1 header7 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[000000]CONTIN.SYS;1 7 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[000000]CORIMG.SYS;1 B %BACKUP-S-HEADCOPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[000000]INDEXF.SYS;1 headerD %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[000000]NOT_A_DIRECORY.ANY_MORE;1< %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[000000]OTHER_STUFF.DIR;1> %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[OTHER_STUFF]SHOOMBOP.EXE;19 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[000000]SECURITY.SYS;1 6 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[000000]STUFF.DIR;1C %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF]MY_SYSTEM_STARTUP.COM;140 ; %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF]PSEUDO_DISK.DIR;1 H %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK]PSEUDO_STUFF.DIR;1T %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF]JAVA_SETUP.COM;13S %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF]JUKE_SETUP.COM;1oZ %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF]MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF.DIR;1_ %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MBOX.EXE;1 _ %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MFTU.EXE;1ha %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MGBOOK.EXE;1s^ %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MMK.EXE;2l %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MMK_COMPILE_RULES.EXE;1i %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MOSAIC_TCPWARE.EXE;1e] %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MP.EXE;1t` %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MPACK.EXE;2d %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MPEG_PLAY.EXE;1i %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MRD_SIMULATOR.EXE;34tb %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MUNPACK.EXE;2= %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF]SETUP_TEST_JB.COM;6oB %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF]SETUP_TEST_TAPESYS.COM;7B %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF]START_BATCH_QUEUE.COM;22C %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF]START_TEST_TAPESYS.COM;19vD %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF]SYSTEM_MANAGER_LOGIN.COM;6? %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF]TAPE_DIAG_LOGS.COM;63i= %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[STUFF]WRITE_UP_TIME.COM;6a7 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[000000]VOLSET.SYS;1iC %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[]THIS_WILL_BE_A.LOST_COM_FILE;1IE %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied SMALLDISK:[]THIS_WILL_BE_A.LOST_EXECUTABLE;1I $! i $! type the listinge $!   $ type smalt Listing of save set(s)   Save set:          SMAL.BAKA Written by:        WAYNE       ." UIC:               [000051,000001]* Date:              17-JAN-2004 11:37:40.05F Command:           BACKUP/IMAGE/LOG/LIST=SMAL SMALLDISK: SMAL.BAK/SAVE- Operating system:  OpenVMS Alpha version V7.3s BACKUP version:    AXP731R006c CPU ID register:   80000000e Node name:         _LAUREL::" Written on:        _LAUREL$DKB100: Block size:        32256 Group size:        10r Buffer count:      52    Image save of volume set Number of volumes: 1   Volume attributess Structure level:   2 Label:             SMALLDISK     Owner:                          " Owner UIC:         [000001,000004]* Creation date:     13-MAR-2001 15:05:38.56 Total blocks:      4110480 Access count:      3 Cluster size:      4$ Data check:        No Read, No Write Extension size:    5< File protection:   System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World: Maximum files:     411048tB Volume protection: System:RWCD, Owner:RWCD, Group:RWCD, World:RWCD Windows:           7  S [000000]000000.DIR;1                                        1  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38 S [000000]BACKUP.SYS;1                                        0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38 S [000000]BADBLK.SYS;1                                        0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38 S [000000]BADLOG.SYS;1                                        0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38oS [000000]BITMAP.SYS;1                                      252  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38=S [000000]CONTIN.SYS;1                                        0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38tS [000000]CORIMG.SYS;1                                        0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38=S [000000]INDEXF.SYS;1                                     1136  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38 S [000000]NOT_A_DIRECORY.ANY_MORE;1                           1  20-MAR-2001 11:12:00tS [000000]OTHER_STUFF.DIR;1                                   1  13-MAR-2001 15:06:440S [OTHER_STUFF]SHOOMBOP.EXE;1                                42   7-NOV-2000 12:36:50eS [000000]SECURITY.SYS;1                                      1  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38aS [000000]STUFF.DIR;1                                         2  13-MAR-2001 15:06:37yS [STUFF]MY_SYSTEM_STARTUP.COM;140                            3  23-DEC-2000 08:22:07.S [STUFF]PSEUDO_DISK.DIR;1                                    1  13-JAN-2004 08:14:48eS [STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK]PSEUDO_STUFF.DIR;1                       1  13-JAN-2004 08:14:49tS [STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF]JAVA_SETUP.COM;13           1  22-FEB-2003 07:38:03tS [STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF]JUKE_SETUP.COM;1            1  23-JAN-1998 18:44:34k7 [STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF]MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF.DIR;1rS                                                             1  13-JAN-2004 08:14:49c< [STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MBOX.EXE;1S                                                           174  31-JUL-1994 08:14:45 < [STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MFTU.EXE;1S                                                           225  31-JUL-1994 08:45:46n> [STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MGBOOK.EXE;1S                                                           135   8-FEB-1996 21:48:24 ; [STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MMK.EXE;2-S                                                           291   6-OCT-2003 08:17:54KI [STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MMK_COMPILE_RULES.EXE;12S                                                           154   7-MAY-2000 16:35:24 F [STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MOSAIC_TCPWARE.EXE;1S                                                          3906  15-FEB-2000 17:14:22.: [STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MP.EXE;1S                                                            46  15-JUN-1995 18:03:06i= [STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MPACK.EXE;2oS                                                            73  22-APR-2001 18:53:43 A [STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MPEG_PLAY.EXE;1rS                                                           590  19-OCT-1996 16:20:13DF [STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MRD_SIMULATOR.EXE;34S                                                           443  31-AUG-2003 10:48:40 ? [STUFF.PSEUDO_DISK.PSEUDO_STUFF.MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF]MUNPACK.EXE;2eS                                                           148  22-APR-2001 18:54:04iS [STUFF]SETUP_TEST_JB.COM;6                                  1  22-DEC-2000 14:43:48VS [STUFF]SETUP_TEST_TAPESYS.COM;7                             1  22-DEC-2000 14:43:49nS [STUFF]START_BATCH_QUEUE.COM;22                             1  22-DEC-2000 16:03:01 S [STUFF]START_TEST_TAPESYS.COM;19                            2  22-DEC-2000 09:51:01,S [STUFF]SYSTEM_MANAGER_LOGIN.COM;6                           1  24-DEC-2000 09:34:10oS [STUFF]TAPE_DIAG_LOGS.COM;63                                8   6-NOV-2000 09:21:02eS [STUFF]WRITE_UP_TIME.COM;6                                  1  13-MAR-2001 09:46:56nS [000000]VOLSET.SYS;1                                        0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38nS []THIS_WILL_BE_A.LOST_COM_FILE;1                            8  20-MAR-2001 11:12:57tS []THIS_WILL_BE_A.LOST_EXECUTABLE;1                         42  20-MAR-2001 11:13:39o   Total of 40 files, 7694 blocks End of save seto   $! C( $! do an image backup of the pseudo disk $!  7 $ backup/image/log/list=pseu pseudo_disk: pseu.bak/saver> %BACKUP-S-HEADCOPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]INDEXF.SYS;1 header> %BACKUP-S-HEADCOPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]BITMAP.SYS;1 header> %BACKUP-S-HEADCOPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]BADBLK.SYS;1 header3 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]000000.DIR;1l3 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]CORIMG.SYS;113 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]VOLSET.SYS;1"3 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]CONTIN.SYS;1 3 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]BACKUP.SYS;1 > %BACKUP-S-HEADCOPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]BADLOG.SYS;1 header5 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]SECURITY.SYS;1t2 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]STUFF.DIR;18 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]OTHER_STUFF.DIR;1@ %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]NOT_A_DIRECORY.ANY_MORE;1E %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]THIS_WILL_BE_A.LOST_COM_FILE;1bG %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]THIS_WILL_BE_A.LOST_EXECUTABLE;1 8 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]PSEUDO_DISK.DIR;19 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]PSEUDO_STUFF.DIR;1h> %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF.DIR;1@ %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]MY_SYSTEM_STARTUP.COM;140: %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]SETUP_TEST_JB.COM;6? %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]SETUP_TEST_TAPESYS.COM;7h? %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]START_BATCH_QUEUE.COM;22>@ %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]START_TEST_TAPESYS.COM;19A %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]SYSTEM_MANAGER_LOGIN.COM;6c< %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]TAPE_DIAG_LOGS.COM;63: %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]WRITE_UP_TIME.COM;65 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]SHOOMBOP.EXE;1u1 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]MBOX.EXE;1>1 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]MFTU.EXE;1.3 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]MGBOOK.EXE;1=0 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]MMK.EXE;2> %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]MMK_COMPILE_RULES.EXE;1; %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]MOSAIC_TCPWARE.EXE;1>/ %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]MP.EXE;1s2 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]MPACK.EXE;26 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]MPEG_PLAY.EXE;1; %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]MRD_SIMULATOR.EXE;34 4 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]MUNPACK.EXE;28 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]JAVA_SETUP.COM;137 %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied PSEUDO_DISK:[]JUKE_SETUP.COM;1i $!   $! type the listing  $! g $ type pseur Listing of save set(s)   Save set:          PSEU.BAKi Written by:        WAYNE       4" UIC:               [000051,000001]* Date:              17-JAN-2004 11:37:46.51H Command:           BACKUP/IMAGE/LOG/LIST=PSEU PSEUDO_DISK: PSEU.BAK/SAVE- Operating system:  OpenVMS Alpha version V7.3  BACKUP version:    AXP731R006  CPU ID register:   80000000x Node name:         _LAUREL::" Written on:        _LAUREL$DKB100: Block size:        32256 Group size:        10t Buffer count:      52e   Image save of volume set Number of volumes: 1   Volume attributes: Structure level:   2 Label:             SMALLDISK   . Owner:                         >" Owner UIC:         [000001,000004]* Creation date:     13-MAR-2001 15:05:38.56 Total blocks:      4110480 Access count:      3 Cluster size:      4$ Data check:        No Read, No Write Extension size:    5< File protection:   System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World: Maximum files:     411048rB Volume protection: System:RWCD, Owner:RWCD, Group:RWCD, World:RWCD Windows:           7  S []INDEXF.SYS;1                                           1136  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38vS []BITMAP.SYS;1                                            252  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38 S []BADBLK.SYS;1                                              0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38 S []000000.DIR;1                                              1  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38rS []CORIMG.SYS;1                                              0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38iS []VOLSET.SYS;1                                              0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38 S []CONTIN.SYS;1                                              0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38wS []BACKUP.SYS;1                                              0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38iS []BADLOG.SYS;1                                              0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38tS []SECURITY.SYS;1                                            1  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38nS []STUFF.DIR;1                                               2  13-MAR-2001 15:06:37eS []OTHER_STUFF.DIR;1                                         1  13-MAR-2001 15:06:44 S []NOT_A_DIRECORY.ANY_MORE;1                                 1  20-MAR-2001 11:12:00aS []THIS_WILL_BE_A.LOST_COM_FILE;1                            8  20-MAR-2001 11:12:57eS []THIS_WILL_BE_A.LOST_EXECUTABLE;1                         42  20-MAR-2001 11:13:39 S []PSEUDO_DISK.DIR;1                                         1  13-JAN-2004 08:14:48iS []PSEUDO_STUFF.DIR;1                                        1  13-JAN-2004 08:14:49oS []MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF.DIR;1                                   1  13-JAN-2004 08:14:49lS []MY_SYSTEM_STARTUP.COM;140                                 3  23-DEC-2000 08:22:07 S []SETUP_TEST_JB.COM;6                                       1  22-DEC-2000 14:43:48aS []SETUP_TEST_TAPESYS.COM;7                                  1  22-DEC-2000 14:43:49rS []START_BATCH_QUEUE.COM;22                                  1  22-DEC-2000 16:03:01tS []START_TEST_TAPESYS.COM;19                                 2  22-DEC-2000 09:51:01 S []SYSTEM_MANAGER_LOGIN.COM;6                                1  24-DEC-2000 09:34:10sS []TAPE_DIAG_LOGS.COM;63                                     8   6-NOV-2000 09:21:02nS []WRITE_UP_TIME.COM;6                                       1  13-MAR-2001 09:46:56iS []SHOOMBOP.EXE;1                                           42   7-NOV-2000 12:36:50VS []MBOX.EXE;1                                              174  31-JUL-1994 08:14:45mS []MFTU.EXE;1                                              225  31-JUL-1994 08:45:46sS []MGBOOK.EXE;1                                            135   8-FEB-1996 21:48:24:S []MMK.EXE;2                                               291   6-OCT-2003 08:17:54 S []MMK_COMPILE_RULES.EXE;1                                 154   7-MAY-2000 16:35:24,S []MOSAIC_TCPWARE.EXE;1                                   3906  15-FEB-2000 17:14:22 S []MP.EXE;1                                                 46  15-JUN-1995 18:03:06WS []MPACK.EXE;2                                              73  22-APR-2001 18:53:43 S []MPEG_PLAY.EXE;1                                         590  19-OCT-1996 16:20:13 S []MRD_SIMULATOR.EXE;34                                    443  31-AUG-2003 10:48:40:S []MUNPACK.EXE;2                                           148  22-APR-2001 18:54:04 S []JAVA_SETUP.COM;13                                         1  22-FEB-2003 07:38:03wS []JUKE_SETUP.COM;1                                          1  23-JAN-1998 18:44:34.   Total of 40 files, 7694 blocks End of save set.   $!  5 $! list the saveset, to see what actually got writtenr $! u $ backup/list pseu.bak/saveE Listing of save set(s)   Save set:          PSEU.BAKd Written by:        WAYNE       m" UIC:               [000051,000001]* Date:              17-JAN-2004 11:37:46.51H Command:           BACKUP/IMAGE/LOG/LIST=PSEU PSEUDO_DISK: PSEU.BAK/SAVE- Operating system:  OpenVMS Alpha version V7.3a BACKUP version:    AXP731R006  CPU ID register:   80000000/ Node name:         _LAUREL::" Written on:        _LAUREL$DKB100: Block size:        32256 Group size:        10e Buffer count:      52-   Image save of volume set Number of volumes: 1   Volume attributes. Structure level:   2 Label:             SMALLDISK   t Owner:                         /" Owner UIC:         [000001,000004]* Creation date:     13-MAR-2001 15:05:38.56 Total blocks:      4110480 Access count:      3 Cluster size:      4$ Data check:        No Read, No Write Extension size:    5< File protection:   System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World: Maximum files:     411048 B Volume protection: System:RWCD, Owner:RWCD, Group:RWCD, World:RWCD Windows:           7  S []INDEXF.SYS;1                                           1136  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38 S []BITMAP.SYS;1                                            252  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38rS []BADBLK.SYS;1                                              0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38mS []000000.DIR;1                                              1  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38iS []CORIMG.SYS;1                                              0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38 S []VOLSET.SYS;1                                              0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38nS []CONTIN.SYS;1                                              0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38nS []BACKUP.SYS;1                                              0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38.S []BADLOG.SYS;1                                              0  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38 S []SECURITY.SYS;1                                            1  13-MAR-2001 15:05:38 S []STUFF.DIR;1                                               2  13-MAR-2001 15:06:37 S []OTHER_STUFF.DIR;1                                         1  13-MAR-2001 15:06:44 S []NOT_A_DIRECORY.ANY_MORE;1                                 1  20-MAR-2001 11:12:00 S []THIS_WILL_BE_A.LOST_COM_FILE;1                            8  20-MAR-2001 11:12:57:S []THIS_WILL_BE_A.LOST_EXECUTABLE;1                         42  20-MAR-2001 11:13:39iS []PSEUDO_DISK.DIR;1                                         1  13-JAN-2004 08:14:48oS []PSEUDO_STUFF.DIR;1                                        1  13-JAN-2004 08:14:49-S []MORE_PSEUDO_STUFF.DIR;1                                   1  13-JAN-2004 08:14:49fS []MY_SYSTEM_STARTUP.COM;140                                 3  23-DEC-2000 08:22:07.S []SETUP_TEST_JB.COM;6                                       1  22-DEC-2000 14:43:48 S []SETUP_TEST_TAPESYS.COM;7                                  1  22-DEC-2000 14:43:49iS []START_BATCH_QUEUE.COM;22                                  1  22-DEC-2000 16:03:01 S []START_TEST_TAPESYS.COM;19                                 2  22-DEC-2000 09:51:01aS []SYSTEM_MANAGER_LOGIN.COM;6                                1  24-DEC-2000 09:34:10tS []TAPE_DIAG_LOGS.COM;63                                     8   6-NOV-2000 09:21:02-S []WRITE_UP_TIME.COM;6                                       1  13-MAR-2001 09:46:56tS []SHOOMBOP.EXE;1                                           42   7-NOV-2000 12:36:50$S []MBOX.EXE;1                                              174  31-JUL-1994 08:14:45gS []MFTU.EXE;1                                              225  31-JUL-1994 08:45:46aS []MGBOOK.EXE;1                                            135   8-FEB-1996 21:48:24pS []MMK.EXE;2                                               291   6-OCT-2003 08:17:54oS []MMK_COMPILE_RULES.EXE;1                                 154   7-MAY-2000 16:35:24 S []MOSAIC_TCPWARE.EXE;1                                   3906  15-FEB-2000 17:14:22mS []MP.EXE;1                                                 46  15-JUN-1995 18:03:06 S []MPACK.EXE;2                                              73  22-APR-2001 18:53:43 S []MPEG_PLAY.EXE;1                                         590  19-OCT-1996 16:20:13 S []MRD_SIMULATOR.EXE;34                                    443  31-AUG-2003 10:48:40eS []MUNPACK.EXE;2                                           148  22-APR-2001 18:54:04aS []JAVA_SETUP.COM;13                                         1  22-FEB-2003 07:38:03 S []JUKE_SETUP.COM;1                                          1  23-JAN-1998 18:44:34n   Total of 40 files, 7694 blocks End of save set    $! o $!  O ===============================================================================-N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O ===============================================================================uB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 04:48:27 +0000 (UTC)iP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: telnet problem?$ Message-ID: <bud36r$ea7$1@online.de>  G My hobbyist cluster is behind a NAT/PAT DSL router.  TCPIP connections eH from the outside go to the public address of the router, and by default H are forwarded to the TCPIP cluster alias.  This works fine.  On the LAN 3 side, I can connect using the private IP addresses.e  G Normally, I have no need to do so, but I find it strange that I cannot eB telnet to the external address of the router from a machine in my H cluster.  At least SMTP and HTTP work "as expected", though, i.e. I can E send mail to myself, access my web server via the public address etc.a  
 Any ideas?   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 04:52:34 +0000 (UTC)kP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: telnet problem?$ Message-ID: <bud3ei$eek$1@online.de>  D In article <bud36r$ea7$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de3 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: r  I > My hobbyist cluster is behind a NAT/PAT DSL router.  TCPIP connections  J > from the outside go to the public address of the router, and by default J > are forwarded to the TCPIP cluster alias.  This works fine.  On the LAN 5 > side, I can connect using the private IP addresses.  > I > Normally, I have no need to do so, but I find it strange that I cannot  D > telnet to the external address of the router from a machine in my J > cluster.  At least SMTP and HTTP work "as expected", though, i.e. I can G > send mail to myself, access my web server via the public address etc./ >  > Any ideas?  H I tried this a few times separated by a few hours.  It never worked.  I B was telnetting to the DNS name.  After writing the above, I tried H telnetting to the IP address, and it worked.  OK, perhaps there is some F confusion because the name I used (multivax.de) is also configured as G the domain in my TCPIP.  I then tried multivax.de again, and it worked.a Strange.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:03:42 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: The Inquirert) Message-ID: <4009A32D.6C577615@istop.com>i  9 "peter.watkinson1@ ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)" wrote:dE > My point was if the web page was written in an open source languagerE > then I should be able to see all the source code including the HTMLfH > and all the PHP if that was what the page was written in. Including ifC > it's a database driven site the SQL statement and all the objectso > and syntax etc...k  H So you want a bank to make available the source code to the progams thatN execute your financial transactions and return the confirmation page in html ?  L The PHP execution environment may be open source, but PHP programs you write( that execute in that environment aren't.  K The GNU C compiler may be open source, but that doesn't make the C programse2 that you compile with that compiler "open source".  N You have to differentiate between the tool being open source, and the programsC you write that use that tool. Those are not open source by default.r    = > I understand now that this is not possible with present cgi F > technologies but since Apache produces PHP then I can't see how this > is impossible.  J Apache doesn't produce PHP. it passes http requests to the PHP environmentD when the URL says it should, and the PHP environment then reads yourM transaction from the TCPIP link and then writes whatever it wants back to theoI TCPIP link (which goes to your browser). A PHP program could return a JPG  image. It need not return HTML.t  G > I guess all of sudden if this happened then a lot of companies payingtG > for people to write there web sites in this language wouldn't be veryiD > happy if clones started appearing everywhere so they would have to > look for an alternative.    I When Earth finally meets the Vulcans in 2063 after having tested the WarptI drive, and the UN is upgraded to the  United Federation of Planets, crime L eliminated, money no longer in use and humans strive only for the bettermentQ of humanity (or the universe), then perhaps all programs will become open source.;   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:35:43 -0500F3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>o Subject: Re: vms and floppyu0 Message-ID: <6p-dnTjtzbUhJZTd4p2dnA@comcast.com>  B Strangely enough (or perhaps not), I have never NEEDED the "ods2" E package!   If I want something from a VMS disk, I log in from my PC,  F transfer the file to my PC and I'm done.  Over the past twenty years, D I've never been without access to at least one VMS system to handle  these little chores.   Glenn Everhart wrote:f  < > If you don't know of the "ods2" package you have looked at< > neither the sigtapes nor the freeware CDs. It is in there. >  > Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  >cA >> You probably can't read it on Windows or Linux.  There may be pI >> freeware that will read a Files-11 ODS-2 disk but I don't know of any. F >> What you can do is ask someone with a VMS system (VAX or Alpha) to C >> read it for you and copy it to a medium and format that you can  I >> read.  If the floppy disk is 3-1/2 inch, just about anybody who reads eI >> this newsgroup could do it for you.  If it's a 5-1/4 inch disk, there  E >> are very few people who still have the hardware needed to read it.  >>I >> There is at least one business that specializes in problems like this: 9 >> Muller Media Conversions <http://www.mullermedia.com/>d >> 32 Broadway >> New York, NY 10004a >>! >> U.S. Toll Free (800) OLD-2-NEWr >> http://www.mullermedia.com/ >>H >> Chris Muller and his people can read just about any media and format  >> that you can think of.  >> >> Jacek Krywult wrote:k >>6 >>> I have a floppy disk written on VAX/VMS  ver . 5.4< >>> How can I read files on  this disk on Windows or Linux ? >>>e >>> thanks,t >>>c	 >>> Jacekp >>>  >>>k >>>e >>>t >>>a >>>  e >>>    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.034 ************************