0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 19 Jan 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 37      Contents:A Re: bill gates introduce latest technologies at conference  [not]  CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT  Re: CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT  RE: CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT ! How to do Bootable Image Backup ? % Re: How to do Bootable Image Backup ?  Re: Mozilla on Alpha question  OpenVMS book recommendations? ? Re: openvms error message "no operating system selection found" ? Re: openvms error message "no operating system selection found" ? Re: openvms error message "no operating system selection found" ? Re: openvms error message "no operating system selection found"  remove DECnet OSI ?  Re: remove DECnet OSI ?  Re: remove DECnet OSI ?  Re: remove DECnet OSI ?  Re: remove DECnet OSI ?  Re: remove DECnet OSI ?  Re: remove DECnet OSI ? 2 Re: Technical reasons against porting VMS to IA-322 Re: Technical reasons against porting VMS to IA-32? VMS Patents, was: Re: HP will license its intellectual property C Re: VMS Patents, was: Re: HP will license its intellectual property - Re: What is mystery object in VMS screensaver - Re: What is mystery object in VMS screensaver - Re: What is mystery object in VMS screensaver ( Re: What type of memory is used in DS10?( Re: What type of memory is used in DS10?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:05:03 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>J Subject: Re: bill gates introduce latest technologies at conference  [not]9 Message-ID: <bugv7j$hh162$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>    JF Mezei wrote:  >...< > If Microsoft can convince the satellite receiver companies to open = > their architectures and let a PC get the raw MPEG feed from  the < > satellite so it can record it on its own hard drives, then perhaps < > that would be a good thing. But that would open up a whole debate> > similar to MP3s stealing sales. One person pays the $5.00 to get the = > right to watch a pay per view movie, and half an hour after  the 5 > movie, the whole movie is on a web site ready to be  downloaded for  > free by the rest of the world.   JF,   > Go down to your local Bell Store or FutureShop and ask to take: a look at the ExpressVue 5100 (or whatever the newer model> is). The 5100 has a 30GB IDE hard drive that is supposed to be7 very easy to take out and attach to a PC.  Then fire up 9 Windows Explorer and drag and drop the Mpeg files. I have > never tried it, but I might have to some day since my wife has; too many copies of different "The World's Funniest Animals" ' from the Animal Planet channel saved :)   ; The only problem is after a while you start trying to pause < and rewind the car radio too once you get used to being able to do it with the TV.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2004 04:06:59 -0800# From: jiannisf@yahoo.com (Jiannisf)  Subject: CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT= Message-ID: <fbc2930d.0401190406.1ad05432@posting.google.com>   2 How can I convert an 8 bytes OVMS format "double",+ to a Windows (IBM compatible) double value?   6 What arguments should I pass to  CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT ???   Thanx in advance   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 06:44:42 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> Subject: Re: CVT$CONVERT_FLOATT Message-ID: <craigberry-AF252C.06444219012004@dsl081-159-101.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net>  = In article <fbc2930d.0401190406.1ad05432@posting.google.com>, %  jiannisf@yahoo.com (Jiannisf) wrote:   4 > How can I convert an 8 bytes OVMS format "double",- > to a Windows (IBM compatible) double value?   H There are three double formats.  You'll need to know whether you've got A D_FLOAT, G_FLOAT, or IEEE.  It generally depends on the compiler  E options used in compiling whatever program generated the values, and   whether you're on VAX or Alpha.   8 > What arguments should I pass to  CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT ???  # The options are all available from      $ help rtl cvt cvt$convert_float   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 06:10:13 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIAEOLCKAA.tom@kednos.com>   ; You need to be more specific as to which type of format you 4 are converting from/to.  For example, F,S,D,G,H or T   see F ftp://freja.kednos.com/pub/html/vms/reference/6291pro_007.html#data_22           -----Original Message-----,   From: Jiannisf [mailto:jiannisf@yahoo.com](   Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 4:07 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com    Subject: CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT      4   How can I convert an 8 bytes OVMS format "double",-   to a Windows (IBM compatible) double value?    8   What arguments should I pass to  CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT ???      Thanx in advance      --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/2004     --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/2004    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:26:52 +0800 ( From: "Norbert Liew" <nliew@delinux.biz>* Subject: How to do Bootable Image Backup ?' Message-ID: <400bf739_2@news.tm.net.my>   J Appreciate anyone can just tell me the most accurate backup command for meH to do a bootable image disk - I don't know what actually you call it butL something like full system backup so incase the hard disk failed and after aF replacement I can just boot from the tape and restore them to its last working backup.   I Below is the sh dev and I have three areas, DKA100 to DKA300.   MKA400 is 6 the tape.  Like to know the best approach  in my case.  L Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans Mnt L  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt L OVMLA$DKA100:           Mounted              0  CITA002_SYS     295086     1 1 L OVMLA$DKA200:           Mounted              0  CITA002_PRJ     139131     1 1 L OVMLA$DKA300:           Mounted              0  VAXVMSV2055     242751   252 1   L Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans Mnt L  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt . OVMLA$MKA400:           Online               5. OVMLA$MKA500:           Online               0   Thanks.    Regards, Bert.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:08:26 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>. Subject: Re: How to do Bootable Image Backup ?3 Message-ID: <400c0f89$0$7148$626a54ce@news.free.fr>    Norbert Liew wrote:   K >Appreciate anyone can just tell me the most accurate backup command for me I >to do a bootable image disk - I don't know what actually you call it but M >something like full system backup so incase the hard disk failed and after a G >replacement I can just boot from the tape and restore them to its last  >working backup. > I You cannot boot VMS from a tape as VMS needs to do direct access to some   files during boot.  I My best suggestion would be to create a standalone backup of your system  F disk then, should your system disk fail, boot from a VMS CD-ROM disk,  then restore the tape.    To build the tape, commands are:   1. boot from CD-ROM 
 2. choose DCL  3. type   6 $ back/init/ver/ima DKA100: MKA400:vms.bck/save/rewind   Then reboot system.   J To restore the tape, which will erase the whole target disk, commands are:   1. boot from CD-ROM 
 2. choose DCL  3. type   / $ back/init/ver/ima MKA400:vms.bck/save DKA100:    The reboot the system.. All this from top of my (getting old) head :-)   D.   --  ;                   Discover the FutureVAX: www.futurevax.com 7                           Discover VAXUS: www.vaxus.org   I    didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HP K  Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation ~ Migration I    Offshore ~ 5 av. A. Durand 31700 Blagnac France. Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287 F      SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:06:20 +0100 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>& Subject: Re: Mozilla on Alpha question0 Message-ID: <400B8FFB.6EB5C19B@sture.homeip.net>   test wrote:  >    <snip>   L > I found a site, openvmshobbyist, and when I tried to DL the files and xferK > them from my PC to the Alpha, backup did not could not unpack them.  I am M > guessing it had something to do with the ftp issues, and yes I set the file D > type to binary first.  I've made that mistake way too often <G>... >   F Which files were those? If you post their names, no doubt someone here< will be able to tell you if they are really backup savesets.  $ There is a DCL command procedure at Z http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/000tools/reset_backup_saveset_attributes.com  H to reset file attributes for backup savesets after a transfer across the	 internet.    # > Thanks again for any other ideas.  >    <snip>   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:03:15 +0000 (UTC) % From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase) & Subject: OpenVMS book recommendations?( Message-ID: <buh653$p8t$1@pcls4.std.com>  H The FAQ lists quite a few OpenVMS system management books, many of whichG are available from Amazon, but I haven't yet found a good discussion of J which of these are considered to be the best.  Recently I made the mistakeI of buying _Getting Started with OpenVMS System Management_ by Miller, and I found it lacking.  I've found the OpenVMS FAQ to be written better and it , also contains a lot more useful information.  G I was inclined to buy the 2nd Ed, _OpenVMS System Mangement Guide_, but B having been burned for $35 on Miller's "getting started" book, I'm3 reluctant to buy anything else with his name on it.    -brian.  --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----5                    Do not fold, mutilate, or spindle.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2004 01:09:16 -0800. From: shakeelj2k@yahoo.com (shakeel-ur-rehman)H Subject: Re: openvms error message "no operating system selection found"= Message-ID: <cb950e29.0401190109.207f8de4@posting.google.com>    Thanks VlemsC actually command prompt is not coming rather on the screen there is  menu saying # No operating System Selection Found # press F2 to run Setup ESc to Cancel  noting more E on pressing F2 AlphaBIOS setup comes I have rewritten firmware to ALL ' then still there OS cannot be selected.  Shakeel       l "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote in message news:<budnp1$ghtrg$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>...? > "shakeel-ur-rehman" <shakeelj2k@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht 8 > news:cb950e29.0401180021.69888a5@posting.google.com...E > > i have a dec alpha 433 au hardware plateform with running openvms - > > 7.1.during bootup screen show the message ) > > "no operating system selection found" J > > i have removed the hard disk cable then again booted then system showsI > > that no on line disk available.then on again connecting the hard disk H > > cable and then going to hard disk setup shows message that disk 0 no > > partition found F > > can anyone help me what to do.Is hard disk partition is destroyed. > > Shakeel  > J > Is it possible to give us more information, like the output you see from > these commands:  >  > >>> SHOW CONFIG  >    > >>> SHOW DEVICE  >  > Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:15:51 +0000 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>H Subject: Re: openvms error message "no operating system selection found"' Message-ID: <bugaov$bs4$1@lore.csc.com>    shakeel-ur-rehman wrote: >  > Thanks VlemsE > actually command prompt is not coming rather on the screen there is 
 > menu saying % > No operating System Selection Found % > press F2 to run Setup ESc to Cancel 
 > noting more G > on pressing F2 AlphaBIOS setup comes I have rewritten firmware to ALL ) > then still there OS cannot be selected.    This sounds like the     >>> SET OS_TYPE VMS   G has been lost. I have some concern for why it has gone, unless you were F performing a firmware blow. So a little history to how you've ended up here would be helpful.  C To continue my reply about the fix, the AlphaBIOS needs to know the > operating system type so it understands where to get it's bootF information from, and how to boot. As you're probably aware, the AlphaG was originally designed to run three primary operating systems, Windows G NT, Dec UNIX, and OpenVMS. The boot information between Windows and VMS H is very different, so you need to tell the ALpha it is a VMS system. See7 HELP at the console, and look for the OS_TYPE settings.   > (OS_TYPE is from memory, it may be slightly different for your
 platform.)  ? My reply is based on the terseness of the information supplied.  Hope this helps  --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 04:56:04 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>H Subject: Re: openvms error message "no operating system selection found"T Message-ID: <craigberry-3020C7.04560419012004@dsl081-159-101.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net>  = In article <cb950e29.0401190109.207f8de4@posting.google.com>, 0  shakeelj2k@yahoo.com (shakeel-ur-rehman) wrote:  E > actually command prompt is not coming rather on the screen there is 
 > menu saying % > No operating System Selection Found % > press F2 to run Setup ESc to Cancel 
 > noting more G > on pressing F2 AlphaBIOS setup comes I have rewritten firmware to ALL ) > then still there OS cannot be selected. 
 > Shakeel   B Take a look at the FAQ section entitled, "How do I switch between ! AlphaBIOS/ARC and SRM consoles?":   < http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq_017.html#alpha21   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:09:16 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>H Subject: Re: openvms error message "no operating system selection found"- Message-ID: <87ektxc6bn.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   0 shakeelj2k@yahoo.com (shakeel-ur-rehman) writes:  C > i have a dec alpha 433 au hardware plateform with running openvms + > 7.1.during bootup screen show the message ' > "no operating system selection found" H > i have removed the hard disk cable then again booted then system showsG > that no on line disk available.then on again connecting the hard disk F > cable and then going to hard disk setup shows message that disk 0 no > partition found D > can anyone help me what to do.Is hard disk partition is destroyed.  9 You have somehow switched to the ARC console. You need to  set it back to SRM.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:33:15 +0100 ! From: BAVAY Marc <mbavay@slb.com>  Subject: remove DECnet OSI ?3 Message-ID: <bug89n$gjk$1@smb-pub.grenoble.sema.fr>    hello,  : I am relatively new to VMS, and I cannot solve  a problem.  E I have a VAX 4000-700 running 5.5-2H4 which has DECnet OSI installed,  but it not phase IV compatible. G I have tried to re-install DECnet completely so it gives me the choice, K during the installation, to be phase IV compatible, but it does not seem to K work, since I did not uninstall DECnet previously and the configuration was  still there.  E and I could not find a way to uninstall DECnet properly (I don't have E Polycenter and cannot use the product command). How could I do this ?   2 thank you very much for any hint, information .... marc   --
 Marc Bavay% Grenoble Technology & Projects Center  SchlumbergerSema Tel : +33 (0) 4 76 41 67 45  Fax : +33 (0) 4 76 41 47 72    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:15:07 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  Subject: Re: remove DECnet OSI ?) Message-ID: <400BAE01.20CF5A7B@istop.com>    BAVAY Marc wrote: G > I have a VAX 4000-700 running 5.5-2H4 which has DECnet OSI installed, ! > but it not phase IV compatible.    5.5 is VERY VERY old for VMS.   M If I were in your shows, and I assume you cannot upgrade VMS, I would extract K the kitinstal.com file from the decnet-osi installation kit and take a good N look at it (it probably calls some other files which you would need to extract from the .A kit).   L With this, you should be able to determine all the files that it copies ontoM your system and would then be able to delete those yourself. You'll also want C to go through AUTHORIZE to remove any decnet-osi specifc usernames.   H (at some point in time, the decnet-osi product was renamed to decnet-5).  F If you can upgrade, you might with to upgrade to a more recent versionM (keeping it with decnet-5), at which point you could then PRODUCT REMOVE  the * decnet-5 and then install the real decnet.  C You may also wish to look at the SYS$UPDATE directory to see if the V installation of DECNET-OSI wouldn't have left a "remove DECNET-OSI" command procedure.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:35:45 +0000 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>  Subject: Re: remove DECnet OSI ?' Message-ID: <bugbu9$c8k$1@lore.csc.com>    BAVAY Marc wrote:   < > I am relatively new to VMS, and I cannot solve  a problem. > G > I have a VAX 4000-700 running 5.5-2H4 which has DECnet OSI installed, ! > but it not phase IV compatible.    STOP RIGHT THERE.   < Yes it is. DECnet OSI can operate in Phase IV mode, and yourC applications can run unmodified if they want Phase IV. If you don't F believe that, you've not read the documentation. Sorry to be so brutal0 but OSI is a superset (if you will) of Phase IV.  E There are some odd quirks, but I think you're better asking about the F problems you're trying to solve rather than trying to fix the problemsF you're encountering trying to effect what you believe is a solution to% the original problem. Double trouble.     I > I have tried to re-install DECnet completely so it gives me the choice, M > during the installation, to be phase IV compatible, but it does not seem to M > work, since I did not uninstall DECnet previously and the configuration was  > still there. > G > and I could not find a way to uninstall DECnet properly (I don't have G > Polycenter and cannot use the product command). How could I do this ?  > 4 > thank you very much for any hint, information ....  D Back to the original fault finding, has it ever worked, how have you& ended up with "something not working"?  A I apologize now for this statement, but it's almost as if Windoze G methodology is being applied, "remove, reinstall, the problem HAS to be G inside this box". Not necessarily with VMS. I'm guessing that the 5.5-2 H installation and the OSI was "before your time" so I'll assume that this 5.5-2 plus OSI was working.   B Any network changes recently? Replaced any routers recently by any/ chance? Celebrate IP Suggesting Catatonic OSI ?  --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:02:28 +0100 ! From: BAVAY Marc <mbavay@slb.com>   Subject: Re: remove DECnet OSI ?3 Message-ID: <bugdh0$jgq$1@smb-pub.grenoble.sema.fr>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0909020204010105060805059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     1 don't worry you're not brutal, I can take it  ;-)   C I may have not expressed myself correctly about the term "phase IV   compatible". I agree with you.H This VAX was recently  installed from a standalone backup that was made  by the guys before me,- with DECnet on it, so this VAX never "worked" B The command :     NCL>show node 0 all    gives me something like : NCL>show node 0  all Node 0$ at 2004-01-07-12:52:35.020+01:00Iinf Identifiers 8     Name                              = LOCAL:.SEMA.0KSV'     Address                           =         {           (            [ DNA_CMIP-MICE ] , 2           [ DNA_SessionControlV3 , number = 19 ] ,,           [ DNA_OSItransportV1 , 'DEC0'H ] ,H           [ DNA_OSInetwork , 39:250:00-00-01-01-21:30-4B-53-56-00-31:21  (LOCAL:.
 CHOOZ.0KSV) ]            )         }    L and on a VAX we have here with DECnet OSI but a phase IV compatible address,B and who "talks" with other VAX over DECnet, the same command gives     Node 0$ at 2004-01-07-03:38:40.550+00:00Iinf Identifiers 4     Name                              = LOCAL:.VSPL1'     Address                           =         {           (            [ DNA_CMIP-MICE ] , 2           [ DNA_SessionControlV3 , number = 19 ] ,,           [ DNA_OSItransportV1 , 'DEC0'H ] ,<           [ DNA_OSInetwork , 49::00-01:AA-00-04-00-0A-04:21  (LOCAL:.VSPL1) ]
           ) ,            (            [ DNA_CMIP-MICE ] , 2           [ DNA_SessionControlV3 , number = 19 ] ,           [ DNA_NSP ] , <           [ DNA_OSInetwork , 49::00-01:AA-00-04-00-0A-04:20  (LOCAL:.VSPL1) ]           )         }  F this is why I thought at first that installation was not adequate for  what I wanted to do F (you can also say that I al not starting from the adequate standalone  backup ....)  & thanks anyway for your previous answer   marc       Nic Clews wrote:   >BAVAY Marc wrote: >  >    > < >>I am relatively new to VMS, and I cannot solve  a problem. >>G >>I have a VAX 4000-700 running 5.5-2H4 which has DECnet OSI installed, ! >>but it not phase IV compatible.  >>     >> >  >STOP RIGHT THERE. > = >Yes it is. DECnet OSI can operate in Phase IV mode, and your D >applications can run unmodified if they want Phase IV. If you don'tG >believe that, you've not read the documentation. Sorry to be so brutal 1 >but OSI is a superset (if you will) of Phase IV.  > F >There are some odd quirks, but I think you're better asking about theG >problems you're trying to solve rather than trying to fix the problems G >you're encountering trying to effect what you believe is a solution to & >the original problem. Double trouble. >  >  >    > I >>I have tried to re-install DECnet completely so it gives me the choice, M >>during the installation, to be phase IV compatible, but it does not seem to M >>work, since I did not uninstall DECnet previously and the configuration was  >>still there. >>G >>and I could not find a way to uninstall DECnet properly (I don't have G >>Polycenter and cannot use the product command). How could I do this ?  >>4 >>thank you very much for any hint, information .... >>     >> > E >Back to the original fault finding, has it ever worked, how have you ' >ended up with "something not working"?  > B >I apologize now for this statement, but it's almost as if WindozeH >methodology is being applied, "remove, reinstall, the problem HAS to beH >inside this box". Not necessarily with VMS. I'm guessing that the 5.5-2I >installation and the OSI was "before your time" so I'll assume that this  >5.5-2 plus OSI was working. > C >Any network changes recently? Replaced any routers recently by any 0 >chance? Celebrate IP Suggesting Catatonic OSI ? >    >   & --------------090902020401010506080505) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">  <html> <head>I   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">    <title></title>  </head> ' <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">  <br>: don't worry you're not brutal, I can take it&nbsp; ;-)<br> <br>B I may have not expressed myself correctly about the term "phase IV" compatible". I agree with you.<br>L This VAX was recently&nbsp; installed from a standalone backup that was made by the guys before me,<br>1 with DECnet on it, so this VAX never "worked"<br> N The command :&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; NCL&gt;show node 0 all&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; gives me something like :<br>  NCL&gt;show node 0&nbsp; all <br> Node 0 <br>$ at 2004-01-07-12:52:35.020+01:00Iinf <br> Identifiers  <br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  = LOCAL:.SEMA.0KSV <br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Address&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =  <br>& &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; { <br>8 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ( <br>F &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ DNA_CMIP-MICE ] ,  <br>M &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ DNA_SessionControlV3  , number = 19 ] ,  <br>K &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ DNA_OSItransportV1 
 , 'DEC0'H ] ,  <br>G &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ DNA_OSInetwork 5 , 39:250:00-00-01-01-21:30-4B-53-56-00-31:21 (LOCAL:.  <br>
 CHOOZ.0KSV) ]  <br>8 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ) <br>& &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; } <br> <br> <br>C and on a VAX we have here with DECnet OSI but a phase IV compatible  address,<br>F and who "talks" with other VAX over DECnet, the same command gives<br> <br> <br> Node 0 <br>$ at 2004-01-07-03:38:40.550+00:00Iinf <br> Identifiers  <br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  = LOCAL:.VSPL1 <br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Address&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =  <br>& &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; { <br>8 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ( <br>F &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ DNA_CMIP-MICE ] ,  <br>M &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ DNA_SessionControlV3  , number = 19 ] ,  <br>K &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ DNA_OSItransportV1 
 , 'DEC0'H ] ,  <br>G &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ DNA_OSInetwork 1 , 49::00-01:AA-00-04-00-0A-04:21 (LOCAL:.VSPL1) ]  <br>: &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ) , <br>8 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ( <br>F &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ DNA_CMIP-MICE ] ,  <br>M &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ DNA_SessionControlV3  , number = 19 ] ,  <br>B &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ DNA_NSP ] ,  <br>G &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ DNA_OSInetwork 1 , 49::00-01:AA-00-04-00-0A-04:20 (LOCAL:.VSPL1) ]  <br>8 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ) <br>& &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; } <br> <br>E this is why I thought at first that installation was not adequate for  what I wanted to do<br> E (you can also say that I al not starting from the adequate standalone  backup ....)<br> <br>* thanks anyway for your previous answer<br> <br> marc<br> <br> <br> <br> Nic Clews wrote:<br>< <blockquote type="cite" cite="midbugbu9$c8k$1@lore.csc.com">    <pre wrap="">BAVAY Marc wrote:     </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">K     <pre wrap="">I am relatively new to VMS, and I cannot solve  a problem.   E I have a VAX 4000-700 running 5.5-2H4 which has DECnet OSI installed,  but it not phase IV compatible. 
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!----> STOP RIGHT THERE.   < Yes it is. DECnet OSI can operate in Phase IV mode, and yourC applications can run unmodified if they want Phase IV. If you don't F believe that, you've not read the documentation. Sorry to be so brutal0 but OSI is a superset (if you will) of Phase IV.  E There are some odd quirks, but I think you're better asking about the F problems you're trying to solve rather than trying to fix the problemsF you're encountering trying to effect what you believe is a solution to% the original problem. Double trouble.        </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">X     <pre wrap="">I have tried to re-install DECnet completely so it gives me the choice,K during the installation, to be phase IV compatible, but it does not seem to K work, since I did not uninstall DECnet previously and the configuration was  still there.  E and I could not find a way to uninstall DECnet properly (I don't have E Polycenter and cannot use the product command). How could I do this ?   2 thank you very much for any hint, information ....
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->D Back to the original fault finding, has it ever worked, how have you& ended up with "something not working"?  A I apologize now for this statement, but it's almost as if Windoze G methodology is being applied, "remove, reinstall, the problem HAS to be G inside this box". Not necessarily with VMS. I'm guessing that the 5.5-2 H installation and the OSI was "before your time" so I'll assume that this 5.5-2 plus OSI was working.   B Any network changes recently? Replaced any routers recently by any/ chance? Celebrate IP Suggesting Catatonic OSI ?    </pre>
 </blockquote>  </body>  </html>   ( --------------090902020401010506080505--   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 06:08:31 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  Subject: Re: remove DECnet OSI ?) Message-ID: <400BBA80.56BB0246@istop.com>    Nic Clews wrote:> > Yes it is. DECnet OSI can operate in Phase IV mode, and your9 > applications can run unmodified if they want Phase IV.    I Was that also the case for the early version of DECNET-OSI ? As I recall, J DECNETOSI was an add-on at a time when DECNET-4 was installed with the OS.  ; It was required to run the x.400 gateway to message router.   H > believe that, you've not read the documentation. Sorry to be so brutal2 > but OSI is a superset (if you will) of Phase IV.  M That can be debated quite a bit, unless you are talking about disk blocks and : system resources it uses, then yes, definitely a superset.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2004 13:09:18 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)   Subject: Re: remove DECnet OSI ?+ Message-ID: <Nv7ifihWBfAv@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   W In article <bugdh0$jgq$1@smb-pub.grenoble.sema.fr>, BAVAY Marc <mbavay@slb.com> writes: D > The command :     NCL>show node 0 all    gives me something like : > NCL>show node 0  all > Node 0& > at 2004-01-07-12:52:35.020+01:00Iinf
 > Identifiers : >     Name                              = LOCAL:.SEMA.0KSV) >     Address                           = 
 >        {
 >           (  >           [ DNA_CMIP-MICE ] , 4 >           [ DNA_SessionControlV3 , number = 19 ] ,. >           [ DNA_OSItransportV1 , 'DEC0'H ] ,J >           [ DNA_OSInetwork , 39:250:00-00-01-01-21:30-4B-53-56-00-31:21 
 > (LOCAL:. > CHOOZ.0KSV) ] 
 >           ) 
 >        } > N > and on a VAX we have here with DECnet OSI but a phase IV compatible address,D > and who "talks" with other VAX over DECnet, the same command gives >  > Node 0& > at 2004-01-07-03:38:40.550+00:00Iinf
 > Identifiers 6 >     Name                              = LOCAL:.VSPL1) >     Address                           = 
 >        {
 >           (  >           [ DNA_CMIP-MICE ] , 4 >           [ DNA_SessionControlV3 , number = 19 ] ,. >           [ DNA_OSItransportV1 , 'DEC0'H ] ,> >           [ DNA_OSInetwork , 49::00-01:AA-00-04-00-0A-04:21  > (LOCAL:.VSPL1) ] >           ) , 
 >           (  >           [ DNA_CMIP-MICE ] , 4 >           [ DNA_SessionControlV3 , number = 19 ] , >           [ DNA_NSP ] , > >           [ DNA_OSInetwork , 49::00-01:AA-00-04-00-0A-04:20  > (LOCAL:.VSPL1) ]
 >           ) 
 >        }H > this is why I thought at first that installation was not adequate for  > what I wanted to do H > (you can also say that I al not starting from the adequate standalone  > backup ....) >   @ Obviously You have a configuration for a different local DECnet:G Do a @net$configure, and make the configuration according to the other   nodes of Your network.E Especially, the "PHASE IV prefix" must be changed from 39:250 to 49:;BJ and there seems to be a domain  .0KSV , which is not defined in the other.! Use only LOCAL,DOMAIN for naming. O And after configuration, use decnet_register to add the Phase IV address tower r* (DNA_NSP) for all nodes You want to reach.  H I have no experience with the pre-DECnet-plus implementation of Phase V,2 so it may or may not work after reconfiguration...  f --  >    Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Muenchen   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:58:34 +0100D" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>  Subject: Re: remove DECnet OSI ?3 Message-ID: <400c0d3d$0$7136$626a54ce@news.free.fr>o  F Si tu peux supporter un dplacement forfaitaire de 1000 euros HT tout " compris, je te rgle ton problme.  ! didier dot morandi at free dot fro   D.   BAVAY Marc wrote:    > hello, >c< > I am relatively new to VMS, and I cannot solve  a problem. >hG > I have a VAX 4000-700 running 5.5-2H4 which has DECnet OSI installed, ! > but it not phase IV compatible.sI > I have tried to re-install DECnet completely so it gives me the choice,-F > during the installation, to be phase IV compatible, but it does not 	 > seem tor< > work, since I did not uninstall DECnet previously and the  > configuration wasg > still there. >[G > and I could not find a way to uninstall DECnet properly (I don't havezG > Polycenter and cannot use the product command). How could I do this ?a >s4 > thank you very much for any hint, information .... > marc >e > --   > Marc Bavay' > Grenoble Technology & Projects Center  > SchlumbergerSema > Tel : +33 (0) 4 76 41 67 45g > Fax : +33 (0) 4 76 41 47 72e >e   --  ;                   Discover the FutureVAX: www.futurevax.com 7                           Discover VAXUS: www.vaxus.org   I    didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HP K  Expertise en environnement DIGITAL ~ Formation ~ Programmation ~ MigrationoI    Offshore ~ 5 av. A. Durand 31700 Blagnac France. Tl: 33(0)5 6131 6287 F      SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2004 06:17:53 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley); Subject: Re: Technical reasons against porting VMS to IA-32h3 Message-ID: <3uRj+uBaLTW+@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  \ In article <47jLb.11908$Pz3.2868@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes: > Simon Clubley wrote:K >> I see that the discussion around porting VMS to IA-32 is alive and well.  >>  P >> However, the following documentation (taken from the IA-32 Intel ArchitectureI >> Software Developer's Manual, Volume 3 [PDF version, cut and pasted andJO >> reformatted]) clearly shows that although IA-32 has 4 protection rings, it'sT, >> page protection model is a 2 level model: >> o > F > The whole '2-mode' versus '4-mode' argument is a red herring.  That  > isn't an issue anymore.   J Very interesting. Just to clarify: is this no longer an issue just for theI case of IA-64 with it's finer grained (compared to IA-32) page protection0N model, or have you managed to fold the VMS code base into a 2 level protectionG model that would work on architectures with just a user/supervisor page0 protection bit ?  I If it's the latter, that's an impressive achievment and the next questiono1 would be has this work been documented anywhere ?o  / > However, there are many other issues such as  D > the limited number of registers available and the large amount of 6 > Macro32 code in the code base that would notice. :-( >   9 Yes, but that's just a small matter of programming... :-)p   Simon.   -- pB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       P SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:55:29 -0600-( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>; Subject: Re: Technical reasons against porting VMS to IA-32c/ Message-ID: <00A2C1EA.12225B4E.1@tachysoft.com>   C >From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)p >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms< >Subject: Re: Technical reasons against porting VMS to IA-32! >Date: 19 Jan 2004 06:17:53 -0600p     >/] >In article <47jLb.11908$Pz3.2868@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:[ >> Simon Clubley wrote:]L >>> I see that the discussion around porting VMS to IA-32 is alive and well. >>>  >T >N0 >> However, there are many other issues such as E >> the limited number of registers available and the large amount of  7 >> Macro32 code in the code base that would notice. :-(? >>   > : >Yes, but that's just a small matter of programming... :-) >s  M Yeah, that just means it would be difficult to run on IA-32 efficiently, what6O with all the register shuffling, as opposed to being about to run on it at all.s   WaynedO ===============================================================================:N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   NO ===============================================================================sB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?", 	Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2004 07:18:14 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)H Subject: VMS Patents, was: Re: HP will license its intellectual property3 Message-ID: <yIyhmNO9icYN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <f30679fb.0401130256.d75027f@posting.google.com>, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes: + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13579r > , > HP will license its intellectual property  >  > OpenVMS code too ?   > 	 > Regardsl >  > FC  > What implications does this have for a FreeVMS style project ?  @ In other words, what patents does HP hold that are VMS related ?   Simon.   -- AB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       P SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2004 08:25:58 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)sL Subject: Re: VMS Patents, was: Re: HP will license its intellectual property3 Message-ID: <+R3uknL8LYq9@eisner.encompasserve.org>,  x In article <yIyhmNO9icYN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:o > In article <f30679fb.0401130256.d75027f@posting.google.com>, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes:w, >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13579 >>  - >> HP will license its intellectual property b >> l >> OpenVMS code too ?  >> h
 >> Regards >> a >> FCu > @ > What implications does this have for a FreeVMS style project ?  F Since patent license charges are typically tied to the number of uses,L any use of such licensing by "Free" software would make it no longer "Free".  B > In other words, what patents does HP hold that are VMS related ?  C Not many that are core, in my opinion.  Remember that Clusters were," introduced more than 17 years ago.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:28:31 GMTm" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG6 Subject: Re: What is mystery object in VMS screensaver0 Message-ID: <00A2C1E6.5B920B53@SendSpamHere.ORG>  p In article <948f0720.0401181720.6cee1945@posting.google.com>, chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran) writes:Y >VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A2BFC4.0C404DF6@SendSpamHere.ORG>... q >> In article <b096a4ee.0401161101.5c632c58@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:aE >> >Two slides after "Alpha ready" in the VMS screen saver slide showdH >> >there is a picture of a reddish/yellowish/greenish disk. What is it? >> >* >> >(You can get the VMS screen saver from >> >9 >> >    http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/25th/index.htmlg >> r >> I get ... >> 1: >> IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS Alpha image >dE >This is because HP, not having heard of OpenVMS Alpha, have built it  >for Windows instead.r  9 Sarcasm.  It was meant as a gibe in light of the subject:a  -     What is mystery object in VMS screensaverB-                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^>  4 If it's a VMS Screensaver, should it not run on VMS?    E This is the typical Micro$uck centricity I'd expect from HP and why IcE have lost my enthusiasm for just about anything VMS these days.  EveneE the videos.  Why not some across the board viewable format like .MPG?eD No, proprietary RealMovie trash that requires me to pay $$$ to down-E load software from the internet to my PowerBook (not!) and nothing at  all exists for OpenVMS.v  E The VMS@25 videos are in MPG format?  What happened, did someone lose/ the converter?   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  -- sK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM-            -5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" r   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:49:36 GMTn' From: "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@hp.com>o6 Subject: Re: What is mystery object in VMS screensaver3 Message-ID: <QMUOb.12602$HM1.1914@news.cpqcorp.net>t  , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A2C1E6.5B920B53@SendSpamHere.ORG...   <snip>  6 > If it's a VMS Screensaver, should it not run on VMS? >t >MG > This is the typical Micro$uck centricity I'd expect from HP and why I G > have lost my enthusiasm for just about anything VMS these days.  Even.G > the videos.  Why not some across the board viewable format like .MPG?uF > No, proprietary RealMovie trash that requires me to pay $$$ to down-G > load software from the internet to my PowerBook (not!) and nothing at- > all exists for OpenVMS.t >oG > The VMS@25 videos are in MPG format?  What happened, did someone losei > the converter? >  > --D > http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityE >                             solutions that others only claim to be.a > -- o2 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >n6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"  2 Whoa, Brian, stop shooting!  We came in peace! :-)  E The screensaver in question was put together in about 10 minutes by aCK colleague of mine out here in the field (he's based in Louisville and worksiI with me in northern Indiana) using a freeware or shareware utility he hadHL handy and some images he copped from a couple of presentations that he couldK quickly lay his hands on.  He thought the screensaver that came on the 25thhK anniversary CD was too boring.  I sent a copy to Sue and she and Warren put E it on the web page so others could grab it if they liked it.  There's + nothing official about it in the slightest.   K At the very least, those of us that have to use PC appliances to access ourbK VMS systems and corporate mail systems can catch the eye of passers-by witheJ some VMS content from time to time.  Its been a great conversation starter in my pre-merger HP office.   @ Should VMS have a decent screensaver?  Yep - sounds like a great= contribution to the Freeware.  Should we have an official VMSbH engineering-crafted, marketing-approved VMS screensaver?  I'd say yep toB that, too, but not at the expense of any other deliverables on the engineering roadmap.   -- -3 Mike Kier - "practice random acts of VMS marketing" $ HP Consulting & Integration Services Cincinnati, OH, USAe mike.kier@hp.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:14:59 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG6 Subject: Re: What is mystery object in VMS screensaver0 Message-ID: <00A2C216.C1B0ED08@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <QMUOb.12602$HM1.1914@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@hp.com> writes:p- ><VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in messagee+ >news:00A2C1E6.5B920B53@SendSpamHere.ORG...n >b ><snip>d > 7 >> If it's a VMS Screensaver, should it not run on VMS?e >> >>H >> This is the typical Micro$uck centricity I'd expect from HP and why IH >> have lost my enthusiasm for just about anything VMS these days.  EvenH >> the videos.  Why not some across the board viewable format like .MPG?G >> No, proprietary RealMovie trash that requires me to pay $$$ to down-oH >> load software from the internet to my PowerBook (not!) and nothing at >> all exists for OpenVMS. >>H >> The VMS@25 videos are in MPG format?  What happened, did someone lose >> the converter?i >> >> --ME >> http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security.F >>                             solutions that others only claim to be. >> -- 3 >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hackert >VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  >>7 >>   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"p > 3 >Whoa, Brian, stop shooting!  We came in peace! :-)o  J Not me!  I possess no guns except for maybe electron guns and Gunn diodes.    F >The screensaver in question was put together in about 10 minutes by aL >colleague of mine out here in the field (he's based in Louisville and worksJ >with me in northern Indiana) using a freeware or shareware utility he hadM >handy and some images he copped from a couple of presentations that he couldoL >quickly lay his hands on.  He thought the screensaver that came on the 25thL >anniversary CD was too boring.  I sent a copy to Sue and she and Warren putF >it on the web page so others could grab it if they liked it.  There's, >nothing official about it in the slightest. >tL >At the very least, those of us that have to use PC appliances to access ourL >VMS systems and corporate mail systems can catch the eye of passers-by withK >some VMS content from time to time.  Its been a great conversation starter/ >in my pre-merger HP office. >1A >Should VMS have a decent screensaver?  Yep - sounds like a great1> >contribution to the Freeware.  Should we have an official VMSI >engineering-crafted, marketing-approved VMS screensaver?  I'd say yep toDC >that, too, but not at the expense of any other deliverables on the- >engineering roadmap.   C Just seems to me that HP has forgotten that their VMS customers run.C VMS!  Doh!  Even Homer J. Simpson would be smart enough to reason ac" simple observation such as that!    B Care to Explain away the Micro$uck-up proprietary shite offered up on the HP VMS pages?   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  -- aK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt            e5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:40:04 -0500 ; From: "Island Computers USA" <dbturner@islandco.com.nospam> 1 Subject: Re: What type of memory is used in DS10? 0 Message-ID: <100nqukfre56g8a@news.supernews.com>   no   200pin JEDEC memoryP   DT+ "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message,, news:buf17j$49o$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...= > I would like to know what kind of memory is used in a DS10.c  > Is it normal DDR266 EEC Dram ? >E   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:00:58 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com>r1 Subject: Re: What type of memory is used in DS10?c9 Message-ID: <bugv76$hc86u$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>e  ' On 2004-01-18 23:15, "Dirk Munk" wrote:e  = > I would like to know what kind of memory is used in a DS10.p  > Is it normal DDR266 EEC Dram ?  : According to the QuickSpecs (1-Oct-2003 edition, page 12):  = used in pairs, industry-standard DIMM, ECC, 200 pins, 100 MHza (SDRAM of course)E   Michaell   -- n; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.e5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.037 ************************