0 INFO-VAX	Fri, 23 Jan 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 44      Contents: Re: 500.000 AMD64's shipped... Re: 500.000 AMD64's shipped... Re: 500.000 AMD64's shipped...P =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BANN=5D_First_Annual_VAXUS_Sy?= =?windows-1252?Q?mposiu Re: asspache web server  Re: asspache web server  Re: CLUSTER INTERCONNECT values  Fw: CLUSTER INTERCONNECT values % Re: How to do Bootable Image Backup ? % Re: How to do Bootable Image Backup ? % Re: How to do Bootable Image Backup ? - How to hide distribution list with SMTP MAIL? 1 Re: How to hide distribution list with SMTP MAIL? 1 Re: How to hide distribution list with SMTP MAIL? L Re: How to limit access to production data from non-production co	de?	de?de?D Re: How to limit access to production data from non-production code?D Re: How to limit access to production data from non-production code?( How to measure performance impact on I/OD Hubble fine with VMS ... bet mars spirit crash was windoze/linux ...B Re: Intel to chip away at Itanium prices <- or ... I want my cheapB Re: Intel to chip away at Itanium prices <- or ... I want my cheapB Re: Intel to chip away at Itanium prices <- or ... I want my cheapB Re: Intel to chip away at Itanium prices <- or ... I want my cheapB Re: Intel to chip away at Itanium prices <- or ... I want my cheap Re: Looking for VAX/VMS V4.7 Re: Looking for VAX/VMS V4.7. Re: Migrating Pathworks 5 to Advanced Server 7$ Re: No more mascot on VMS home page? none7 Re: Object available. No source. Vax to Alpha Migration 3 Object available. No source. Vax to Alpha Migration 7 Re: Object available. No source. Vax to Alpha Migration 7 Re: Object available. No source. Vax to Alpha Migration 7 Re: Object available. No source. Vax to Alpha Migration 7 Re: Object available. No source. Vax to Alpha Migration 7 Re: Object available. No source. Vax to Alpha Migration  ODS5 and UNZIP Re: ODS5 and UNZIP Re: ODS5 and UNZIP! Re: OpenVMS book recommendations?  OpenVMS wins another one! 8 Re: OT: Is GRID another name for Distributed Computing ?( Re: Pathworks Macintosh, OS-X & Printing( Re: Pathworks Macintosh, OS-X & Printing( Re: Pathworks Macintosh, OS-X & Printing( Re: Pathworks Macintosh, OS-X & Printing( Re: Pathworks Macintosh, OS-X & Printing Re: remove DECnet OSI ?  Re: remove DECnet OSI ?  Re: remove DECnet OSI ?  Re: SpecInt values - ES40/GS807 Re: SYSGEN, Parameter Files, and V7.3-1->V7.3-2 Upgrade @ Re: The Register: OpenVMS among most-secure of operating systems@ Re: The Register: OpenVMS among most-secure of operating systems@ Re: The Register: OpenVMS among most-secure of operating systems* Re: VAX support needed in rural SE Indiana Re: VAXUS: Call for Chapters7 VMS "security"/"stability" wins back Veterans Admin ... ; Re: VMS "security"/"stability" wins back Veterans Admin ... $ Re: VMS authentication to Windows AD$ Re: VMS authentication to Windows AD$ Re: VMS authentication to Windows AD VMS Games problem  Re: VMS Games problem  Re: VMS Games problem  Re: VMS Games problem  Re: VMS Games problem  Re: VMS global section( Re: VMS question regarding SMTP headers.( Re: VMS question regarding SMTP headers.( Re: VMS question regarding SMTP headers.- Re: What is mystery object in VMS screensaver   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:03:02 +0000 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ' Subject: Re: 500.000 AMD64's shipped... 0 Message-ID: <bup38m$d0u$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:J > On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:31:19 -0500, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> > wrote: >  >  > G >>Might have something to do with evaluating the credibility of similar G >>*current* statements when they're used to try to bolster an otherwise J >>vacuous argument - yuh think?  For example, the statement to which I wasJ >>replying (and which you even quoted in your own response, still right upK >>there above:  too bad you didn't read it as well and avoid looking like a  >>fool once again).  >> >  > E > So let's see, we can NEVER believe what some people/vendors tell us > > anymore, so let's just pack up and all go home.  Is that it? >   
 You forget  : You work for an organisation which is a multiple offendor.  ; On the three strikes and you are out principle you would be  out.   Do I need to remind you.   Alpha will last for 25 years EV8 and followons  Etc Etc   : Granted HP cannot be held responsible for some of this but4 then you seem to work for the bit that HP aquired so you don't escape so easily.   6 Because of this different rules apply to you than they8 do to any other vendor, don't whine its a self inflicted  problem, get used to it as well.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:55:13 -0800 / From: Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com> ' Subject: Re: 500.000 AMD64's shipped... 0 Message-ID: <101074j8esgf05c@corp.supernews.com>  K Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy said the following on 1/22/2004 10:03 AM:    > jlsue wrote: >  >>F >> So let's see, we can NEVER believe what some people/vendors tell us? >> anymore, so let's just pack up and all go home.  Is that it?  >> >  > You forget > < > You work for an organisation which is a multiple offendor. > = > On the three strikes and you are out principle you would be  > out.  = And Sun, of course, ALWAYS delivers on their commitments. 8^)    - Greg --  
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:47:58 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>' Subject: Re: 500.000 AMD64's shipped... 2 Message-ID: <AvGdnTF-QqJAtY3dRVn-uA@metrocast.net>  < "Greg Cagle" <news@removethisgregcagle.com> wrote in message* news:101074j8esgf05c@corp.supernews.com...I > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy said the following on 1/22/2004 10:03  AM:  >  > > jlsue wrote: > >  > >>H > >> So let's see, we can NEVER believe what some people/vendors tell usA > >> anymore, so let's just pack up and all go home.  Is that it?  > >> > >  > > You forget > > > > > You work for an organisation which is a multiple offendor. > > ? > > On the three strikes and you are out principle you would be  > > out. > ? > And Sun, of course, ALWAYS delivers on their commitments. 8^)   A Kind of disingenuous there, Greg:  most people would see a *very* K significant difference between simply failing to deliver in a timely manner I on a commitment despite at least reasonable efforts to do so and actively G reneging on them (and then lying about the motivations in an attempt to  justify such behavior).    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:18:53 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>Y Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BANN=5D_First_Annual_VAXUS_Sy?= =?windows-1252?Q?mposiu 4 Message-ID: <40101496$0$29076$636a55ce@news.free.fr>   JF Mezei wrote:    > Didier Morandi wrote:  > ? >>Les organisateurs attendent quatre  cinq cents participants. ! >>(we expect about 500 attendees) M >>Lespace rserv est lamphithtre Bordeaux, dune capacit maximum de 650 I >>places, ainsi que les espaces environnants pour recevoir des exposants. C >>(area has inuf room for 650 people plus exhibits and lunch floor)  > O > This seems very agressive. If I remember correctly, you just recently started  > this organisation, right ?  P It is. I did, but we have "behind" us more than a thousand VAX still running in L France. I really expect all these users to get out of their box and join us.  O > Are you competing against DECUS France or have they totally ceased activities   Q I will certaibly not compete against DECUS France, of which I used to be member,  G then Tape Library Coordinator, then DECrep. They have not ceased their  Q activities, they have been strangled by COMPAQ and I do not think that they will   survive, hence a new club.  L > Have you been able to engage many volunteers ? Organising an event of this > size takes a LOT of work.   M We have as today 14 people who sent interest to the show. The Communiqu was  K published today. Give us a few weeks. Yes, I do know what is represents. I  L participated to a lot, then used to help setting up DECville '85 and '86 in  Cannes (remember?)  N > Getting the speakers and session information is what takes the most time andM > is the key to the success because before having yous "sessions at a glance" P > (to use old decus terminology), you cannot start to market your even seriouslyM > since potential customer won't know what sort of presentations and speakers  > will be present.  Q Right. This is what I'm working on. However, the show will only last one day. If  N you remove the intro, the keynote, the FAQ session, the breaks and the lunch, O this leaves about 6 to 7 30 mns talks. We expect to have one or two from HP on  P the VAX/VMS to Itanium mig, one on CHARON-VAX from SRI, one from The VX Company P on CHARON clustering, one from Emulators Int'l on the FutureVAX (obviously) and ; a few on very specific subjects from people from the field.   N Also, the motto is "What future for VAX/VMS users". I tell you that there are P MANY people worldwide who are wondering about that issue. HP answer is "we will Q bring you to Itanium", which is not a serious answer, when you use products that   are not ported.   P > If you can get a couple hundred attendees, your event would be a great successC > from the point of view of VMS (even if you end up losing money).     We hope so.    > It would also H > be a big kick in the butt for DECUS (or whatever names are being used)  Q Not at all. As I said, DECUS France is lacking oxygen. I asked to join them back  % to help, and got no answer, so I act.   / > and show that there is still interest in VMS.    Do you doubt that ?   P > Many DECUS chapters in the past have tried to de-emphasize VMS and tried to goM > Unix and Windows in an attempt to get more members,. The end result is that P > the VMS folks lost interest and they didn't attract Unix or Windows people and > withered away.  M Correct. My not hidden goal is to help VAX/VMS users first, then we'll see...    D. --  2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928 $                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:09:12 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk  Subject: Re: asspache web server) Message-ID: <bup3k8$j3n$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   V In article <401007DE.E356AE1B@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >warren sander wrote:  >>  ; >> it's fixed. fumble fingers removing 'tm' and saving file  >  > K >one wonders if "asspache" wouldn't be a common nickname internally and its @ >inclusion on a public web page just a freudian slip :-) :-) :-) > L >Is Apache considered a "problem child" within the VMS group ? Does it causeO >problems ?  The fact that the group in charge of the port to VMS no longer has P >the resources to include support for native VMS text files makes one wonder....  > I have to wonder why they bothered to release it in this form.N Not only doesn't it support anything other than stream-lf format files it alsoJ isn't a multi-threaded server (one of the principal reasons for moving to L Apache 2.x rather than using Apache 1.3) and also it doesn't support suEXEC.  L I was going to try it out as an alternative to the multi-threaded OSU serverH but there is no point in even looking at it until they produce a version fixing the above three points.  M Just noticed that there also doesn't appear to be a compatible CSWS_PERL kit. K So that should be four points needing fixing before it is worth looking at.     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2004 16:48:17 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)  Subject: Re: asspache web server= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0401221648.5af4ca22@posting.google.com>   O david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<bup3k8$j3n$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>... X > In article <401007DE.E356AE1B@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > >warren sander wrote:  > >>  = > >> it's fixed. fumble fingers removing 'tm' and saving file  > >  > > M > >one wonders if "asspache" wouldn't be a common nickname internally and its B > >inclusion on a public web page just a freudian slip :-) :-) :-) > > N > >Is Apache considered a "problem child" within the VMS group ? Does it causeQ > >problems ?  The fact that the group in charge of the port to VMS no longer has R > >the resources to include support for native VMS text files makes one wonder.... > @ > I have to wonder why they bothered to release it in this form.P > Not only doesn't it support anything other than stream-lf format files it alsoL > isn't a multi-threaded server (one of the principal reasons for moving to N > Apache 2.x rather than using Apache 1.3) and also it doesn't support suEXEC. > N > I was going to try it out as an alternative to the multi-threaded OSU serverJ > but there is no point in even looking at it until they produce a version  > fixing the above three points. > O > Just noticed that there also doesn't appear to be a compatible CSWS_PERL kit. M > So that should be four points needing fixing before it is worth looking at.  >  >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University  $ purveyor supports vms file types ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:28:25 GMT ( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net>( Subject: Re: CLUSTER INTERCONNECT valuesA Message-ID: <JnWPb.33144$P%1.26045793@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>    I believe CI also covered DSSI.    Todd) <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message K news:OFC7AB057E.4173EB2B-ON85256E23.0067C2A1-85256E23.00688F19@metso.com...  > 	 > To add:  > 9 > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote on 01/22/2004 01:30:12 PM:  >  > >  > >  > > G > > brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote on 01/22/2004 12:19:44 PM:  > > E > > > Been looking around for the CLUSTER INTERCONNECT values used in  > > MODPARAMS.DAT. > > >  > > > Where are they?  > > > & > > > I believe the following is true: > > > 
 > > > CI = CI  > > > NI = Network > > > MC = Memory Channel  > >  > > > FC = FDDI ?  > >  > > I have FDDI and  > > INTERCONNECT="NI" L > > so I believe FDDI is a network interconnect and there is no need for FC. > > > > > I used to have NICI when I had a CI and DSSI and Ethernet. > > @ > > I couldn't find the documentation with a quick look, either. > > >  > > > These values are set (documented?) in CLUSTER_CONFIG.DAT andI > CLUSTER_CONFIG_LAN.DAT and can take on one or all of NI CI MC alone, in I > pairs or as a triplet, depending on the hardware.  At first glance, the I > CI is unique in its protocols, and the MC is also unique, so that would G > make everything else that is currently supported NI.  There is not at H > present support for SCS protocols over FibreChannel (although there is@ > a rumor that it may appear as a failover in some 8.x release). >  > -Norm < > (Anyone who knows for sure is free to correct the record.) >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > > > VMS Systems Administrator 0 > > > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com > >  > >  > >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:58:37 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com( Subject: Fw: CLUSTER INTERCONNECT valuesQ Message-ID: <OFC7AB057E.4173EB2B-ON85256E23.0067C2A1-85256E23.00688F19@metso.com>    To add:   7 norm.raphael@metso.com wrote on 01/22/2004 01:30:12 PM:    >  >  > E > brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote on 01/22/2004 12:19:44 PM:  > C > > Been looking around for the CLUSTER INTERCONNECT values used in  > MODPARAMS.DAT. > >  > > Where are they?  > > $ > > I believe the following is true: > >  > > CI = CI  > > NI = Network > > MC = Memory Channel  >  > > FC = FDDI ?  >  > I have FDDI and  > INTERCONNECT="NI" J > so I believe FDDI is a network interconnect and there is no need for FC. > < > I used to have NICI when I had a CI and DSSI and Ethernet. > > > I couldn't find the documentation with a quick look, either. > >   < These values are set (documented?) in CLUSTER_CONFIG.DAT andG CLUSTER_CONFIG_LAN.DAT and can take on one or all of NI CI MC alone, in G pairs or as a triplet, depending on the hardware.  At first glance, the G CI is unique in its protocols, and the MC is also unique, so that would E make everything else that is currently supported NI.  There is not at F present support for SCS protocols over FibreChannel (although there is> a rumor that it may appear as a failover in some 8.x release).   -Norm : (Anyone who knows for sure is free to correct the record.)   > >  > >  > >  > > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > > VMS Systems Administrator . > > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:35:39 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> . Subject: Re: How to do Bootable Image Backup ?3 Message-ID: <40106C5B.8C9AACE8@applied-synergy.com>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > William Webb wrote:  > > a > > Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<400c0f89$0$7148$626a54ce@news.free.fr>...  > > > Norbert Liew wrote:  > > > Q > > > >Appreciate anyone can just tell me the most accurate backup command for me O > > > >to do a bootable image disk - I don't know what actually you call it but S > > > >something like full system backup so incase the hard disk failed and after a M > > > >replacement I can just boot from the tape and restore them to its last  > > > >working backup. > > > > N > > > You cannot boot VMS from a tape as VMS needs to do direct access to some > > > files during boot. > > > 
 > > <snip> > > G > > At the risk of being argumentative, you most certainly can boot VMS * > > (VAX) from a tape.  Alpha systems, no. > > 5 > > Many VAXen required this in order to install VMS.  > > E > > I've booted VAX 4000s from TK media more than once in the distant 	 > > past.  > > G > > I will admit that paint dries fast in comparison to said tape-based  > > boots, however.  > > I > > I shall not discuss 9-tracks in this thread- some things are just too , > > painful to relate once you've done them. > J > Really? In my (distant past) experience, booting SABKUP from 9-track was- > "lightning fast" as compared to TK50... ;-)      FWIW:   F I was very surprised to see how quickly SABACKUP boots from DAT tapes.  G In my experimentation, VMS 5.5-2 would NOT build a SABACKUP kit on DAT, D but VMS 7.1 would.  The 7.1 tape works fine for restoring 5.5-2 save sets.   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:11:01 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>. Subject: Re: How to do Bootable Image Backup ?8 Message-ID: <1s7010ps2j3pk5mmker1f33o4s6ob8gn8l@4ax.com>  I On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:06:41 -0500, "Martin O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>  wrote:    F >The most painful had to be the boot device on teh VAX 11/750 (TU58?). > e >I once booted standalone backup (3 tapes IIRC)  and was typing in the backup command which pages the d >backup image off of the tape. My co-worker proceeded to pull the tape out since the standalone boot, >was done. We then had to start over <sigh>.  H I got another painful one for ya.  The original VAX 6210 didn't have allK the microcode for booting off of the BI (/CI) disks, so you had to load the < early boot files onto a TK50 (which was the console device).  H Well, if you created your own tape, using COPY, it wouldn't copy them inF the order that they'd be asked for during the boot.  As you booted, itJ would scan until if found the file it wanted, read the file, and then lookG for the next file it wanted.  If that file apeared *before* the one you K were just on, well, it would scan to the end of tape, rewind, and then pick I up looking for the file from the beginning.  Okay, it got the 2nd file... F if the 3rd file it wanted was before that one on the tape, repeat thatH long, boring scan-to-end-of-tape-and-rewind-yet-again.  Very, VERY slow.  H They eventually released an article on DSIN (or DSNlink) which explainedE the proper order to copy the files to the console tape to improve the  speed.   --- jls 0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:21:38 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>. Subject: Re: How to do Bootable Image Backup ?+ Message-ID: <bupidj$l20$1@news01.intel.com>    jlsue wrote:   <snip>  J > I got another painful one for ya.  The original VAX 6210 didn't have allM > the microcode for booting off of the BI (/CI) disks, so you had to load the > > early boot files onto a TK50 (which was the console device). > J > Well, if you created your own tape, using COPY, it wouldn't copy them inH > the order that they'd be asked for during the boot.  As you booted, itL > would scan until if found the file it wanted, read the file, and then lookI > for the next file it wanted.  If that file apeared *before* the one you M > were just on, well, it would scan to the end of tape, rewind, and then pick K > up looking for the file from the beginning.  Okay, it got the 2nd file... H > if the 3rd file it wanted was before that one on the tape, repeat thatJ > long, boring scan-to-end-of-tape-and-rewind-yet-again.  Very, VERY slow.  : 	I had a very similar experience with a pair of VAX 6620's@ about 8 years ago.  For some reason lost to history, I needed to@ update the firmware on these systems' CI adapers (CIXCB's?), but> I wasn't able to load it from the Infoserver (couldn't get the= VAXes to boot from it, even though I had instructions, etc.).   : 	So I determined to make a bootable TK70 with files copiedB from the FW CDrom.  With a little help from Hoff and other posters@ to this group, I succeeded, but I also encountered _exactly_ theB issue your note, that the file order wasn't "optimal" and that the@ tape would read to the end, then rewind, the read forward to the@ next file it needed.  Painful to watch!  But I only needed to do@ it once per system so I didn't go back and rebuild the tape. :-)  A  > They eventually released an article on DSIN (or DSNlink) which C  > explained the proper order to copy the files to the console tape   > to improve the speed.  : 	I do believe I searched DSNlink without finding anything. Do you have an article title?    	-Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:33:27 +0000 (UTC) * From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)6 Subject: How to hide distribution list with SMTP MAIL?0 Message-ID: <bup8i7$j9h$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  D I am running OpenVMS AXP V7.3-1, TCPIP V5.3.  I have a question from@ one of my users, and I can't find the answer to it in any of the9 online documentation or this newsgroup; at least not yet.   D This user sends out an occasional message to a set of people using aA VMS MAIL distribution file (.DIS).  Most of these email addresses C start with smtp% .  It seems that when a message is sent using this C .DIS file, every email address listed is put into the To: header of @ the outgoing message.  Some are complaining about this breaching6 privacy by disclosing their email addresses to others.  E Is there a way to prohibit the SMTP component of TCPIP from expanding B the entire contents of the .DIS file into the To: header?  Thanks.   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:52:43 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> : Subject: Re: How to hide distribution list with SMTP MAIL?' Message-ID: <40102A0B.3DE57180@aaa.com>   / Write a short DCL stub that reads the .DIS file 7 and issues a MAIL command for each line in it. That is, 4 sending a separate mail to each one in the DIS file.  	 Jan-Erik.    Lawrence Bleau wrote:  > F > I am running OpenVMS AXP V7.3-1, TCPIP V5.3.  I have a question fromB > one of my users, and I can't find the answer to it in any of the; > online documentation or this newsgroup; at least not yet.  > F > This user sends out an occasional message to a set of people using aC > VMS MAIL distribution file (.DIS).  Most of these email addresses E > start with smtp% .  It seems that when a message is sent using this E > .DIS file, every email address listed is put into the To: header of B > the outgoing message.  Some are complaining about this breaching8 > privacy by disclosing their email addresses to others. > G > Is there a way to prohibit the SMTP component of TCPIP from expanding D > the entire contents of the .DIS file into the To: header?  Thanks. >  > Lawrence Bleau > University of Maryland$ > Physics Dept., Space Physics Group > 301-405-6223 > bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:22:46 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"): Subject: Re: How to hide distribution list with SMTP MAIL?6 Message-ID: <00A2C49D.32B25998@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  ] In article <bup8i7$j9h$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>, bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau) writes: E >I am running OpenVMS AXP V7.3-1, TCPIP V5.3.  I have a question from A >one of my users, and I can't find the answer to it in any of the : >online documentation or this newsgroup; at least not yet. > E >This user sends out an occasional message to a set of people using a B >VMS MAIL distribution file (.DIS).  Most of these email addressesD >start with smtp% .  It seems that when a message is sent using thisD >.DIS file, every email address listed is put into the To: header ofA >the outgoing message.  Some are complaining about this breaching 7 >privacy by disclosing their email addresses to others.  > F >Is there a way to prohibit the SMTP component of TCPIP from expandingC >the entire contents of the .DIS file into the To: header?  Thanks.   I No.  It's too late by the time the SMTP transport gets it - it just gets  I a list of TO: names and doesn't even know that there was a .DIS involved.   I Unfortunately, this needs to be processed by your mail client.  What you  M really want to do is have a BCC (blind carbon copy), but that's not supported I by the VMS MAIL user agent.  It _is_ supported by PMDF MAIL, which is one @ reason my organization standardized on the PMDF MAIL user agent.  M (A few years back we discovered a, well, bug in which the distinction between H To: and CC: was lost when using foreign transports from MAIL, which madeJ problems for our admin group, in which the To: addressee is supposed to doL something and the CC: people assume it's an FYI.  That wasn't a problem with PMDF mail.)    -- Alan  --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:53:43 -0500 / From: "McCarthy Kevin P." <McCarthyKP@BWSC.ORG> U Subject: Re: How to limit access to production data from non-production co	de?	de?de? : Message-ID: <4C519CCC638BD411A4270000F8CD1D8261CC22@NTSV2>  > We have a pair of ES40s for production and a pair of DS20s for development.   Other advantages are: F Apply patches and upgrades to development machine, run for 2 - 4 weeks then apply to production.   G If a developer writes a REALLY bad query they slow down the development  box only  G Much more flexibility for reboots on development box (autogen, patches)    Kevin McCarthy Boston Water & Sewer Commission    -----Original Message-----) From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]  . Posted At: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:14 AM Posted To: vmsH Conversation: How to limit access to production data from non-production code? G Subject: Re: How to limit access to production data from non-production  code?    Larry Kilgallen wrote:F > The only ways to _really_ prevent the programmers from accessing the- > production data in such an environment are:  > 7 > Use Mandatory Access Controls (SEVMS in the VMS case)  >    or 5 > Put production and development on separate clusters  > B > Despite the extra hardware cost, the second approach is probably
 > cheaper.     Larry,  A Why do you suggest that separate hardware is less expensive? Just 	 wondering ' what you factored into that suggestion.    Thanks.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:39:15 GMT ( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net>M Subject: Re: How to limit access to production data from non-production code? A Message-ID: <TxWPb.33151$P%1.26047174@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>   7 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message ! news:buoj2l$97p$1@lore.csc.com...  > Colin Butcher wrote: > > B > > Larry's giving you sound advice. Have separate development and
 production/ > > systems. Ruthlessly enforce the separation.  > > H > > Have a representative test environment, using copies of real data if needF > > be - maybe even use the process to test the restore of yesterday's > > production backup. > > J > > Never mix development, test and production environments. If things can goD > > wrong - they will, usually when you least expect it or can least tolerate > > it.  > J > I've a war story I've not recounted publicly before now. Things got done= > differently after this. It's a few years ago too, not here.  > B > Whilst we had a production and a development system for the mainG > applications, the development system typically was a 'lesser' system, 6 > lower powered, and more importantly less disk space. >  > <snip>  K I thought you were going to key on the 'lesser part a different way.  I was G consulting at a customer that had VAX 4000 sprinkled across MI with the J application being developed and tested centrally.  After a new version andL deployment one particular site started having problems.  The freeform scrollH text field of one of the screen wasn't presenting the lines in the rightK order.  As it turned out that site had the latest/faster VAX 47xx box.  The L lines of the freeform were stored one line per record in the data base.  TheH key field included a VMS time stamp generated immediately before writingH each line.  With the VAX47xx the system was finally fast enough to writeI more than one line within the time of a tick and lines with the same time . stamp would display in an unpredictable order.   Todd   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:31:50 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>M Subject: Re: How to limit access to production data from non-production code? 8 Message-ID: <819010d97ditocgb3u4b0fbf3cdk4iqg2f@4ax.com>  1 On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:03:34 GMT, "Colin Butcher" 2 <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> wrote:  J >Larry's giving you sound advice. Have separate development and production, >systems. Ruthlessly enforce the separation. > J >Have a representative test environment, using copies of real data if needC >be - maybe even use the process to test the restore of yesterday's  >production backup.  > J >Never mix development, test and production environments. If things can goJ >wrong - they will, usually when you least expect it or can least tolerate >it.  F I agree with this entirely.  Separate system for development.  Period.  I I had a cluster with development & test going on simultaneously.  One day G we started have serious, serious "hangs" in processing.  No idea what's I going on, but  noticed that pagedyn had grown substantially... i.e., far, G far more than I was willing to just bump it up (well over 300%).  These C hang's happened many times over the course of a week as we tried to I troubleshoot the problem... they'd just magically disappear while we wereu working on it.  K Tech support gave some ideas of where this huge growth might come from, one.G of them being that use of global buffers on files.  Well, I looked intotG this a bit (was kinda new to this at the time) and decided nobody there 0 knew enough VMS to be playing around with those.  D Well, as it happens we had an emergency drill and had to meet in theI basement of my building.  I saw someone I hadn't talked to in awhile, andeK he was working with some folks from our Texas plant (an old employer).  GotiI to talking to them and as it happens, yes, they mentioned something aboutT9 using global buffers in their app to improve performance.o  J So, ya just never know what'll bite you when you mix the two environments.   --- jlsn0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:33:53 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)1 Subject: How to measure performance impact on I/On1 Message-ID: <04012217335365@dscis7-0.dalsemi.com>c  N I was wondering how I could determine (swag) the performance gain by moving anK application from using a mirror set disk (2 drives) to a striped mirror setkO disk (6 drives).  The disk drives are the same style and size.  The application  is a FORTRAN one at that.o   For example:  ( ----------------------------------------   DGA101 is a mirror set:c   [D][D] [MIRR] DGA101  % APPLICATION-A creates files on DGA101  Running on DGA101e CPU time was 60 secondsu Elpased time was 6060 secondse, I/O would then be 6000 seconds (aprox guess)# (yes, I know other factors at play)u  ( ----------------------------------------  , If I change the appliation to run on DGA102:  ( ----------------------------------------   DGA102 is a striped mirror set:t   [D][D][D][D][D][D] [MIRR][MIRR][MIRR] [     STRIPE     ] .....DGA102......C  % APPLICATION-A creates files on DGA102  Running on DGA102h CPU time was 60 secondsr Elpased time was ? seconds I/O would then be ? secondsh  ( ----------------------------------------  N Could I (attempt) to guess that my elapsed time went from 6000 seconds to 2000A seconds (6000 / 3) ?  Since I 3x the available disk I/O resource.G  N My assumption is that the elapsed time (for the most part) is directly relatedL to the I/O - after deducting the CPU time.  And if there is no WAIT or SYNCH% commands executed in the application.    Am I swagging to much?     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nA VMS Systems AdministratorE* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2004 19:40:19 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)M Subject: Hubble fine with VMS ... bet mars spirit crash was windoze/linux ... = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0401221940.71f90e03@posting.google.com>M  6 what is the mars spirit running on?  The hubble on vms8 compared to a mars spirit windoze/unix/linux crash would be terrific advertising ...   7 http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040122/D80816O80.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:37:15 GMTn& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>K Subject: Re: Intel to chip away at Itanium prices <- or ... I want my cheap03 Message-ID: <LDVPb.12827$Cg5.6088@news.cpqcorp.net>_  ) Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote::? > A Dell 3.2 GHz Xeon submission last September nearly equalledt? > Itanic's best SPECint_base score (1274 vs. 1322) and slightly0D > exceeded Itanic's best SPECint_peak score (1333 vs. 1322).  And itE > did so using only 1/6th as much L3 cache (1 MB vs. 6 MB): both 2 MBrB > and 4 MB L3 high-frequency Xeons are supposedly coming out soon,> > which should surpass any Itanic in integer performance untilF > Montecito some time in 2005 (by which time another generation of x86> > is also scheduled, so don't count on Itanic catching up then
 > either).  C Any idea where the point of diminishing returns from cache size forc SPECint2000 might be?o  B > Of course, another problem is that you can't get that top Itanic6 > score using anything but an HP zx1 chipset and HP-UX  D Out of curiousity, how many different chipsets and compilers achieve the 3.2 GHz Xeon score?u  D > : from Intel's point of view, unless it just wants to become an HPB > supplier Xeon *clearly* out-performs Itanic platforms from otherE > vendors (and from Intel itself) in integer performance (SGI has one F > pretty good score to boast about, but it's using the next generationF > Intel compiler which one might expect will help x86 scores as well).  D If the 8.0 compiler also boosts x86, why haven't we seen it used forC x86 scores? Is the 8.0 stuff not around at Intel or the x86 vendors5 for x86 yet?  = > There's a good reason that no single-processor Itanic TPC-C0@ > submissions exist, I suspect: they wouldn't be any better than
 > Xeon's.   < Is that also why there are no single-processor POWER4+ TPC-C submissions?  
 rick jones --  = portable adj, code that compiles under more than one compileroF these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:34:16 -0500p* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>K Subject: Re: Intel to chip away at Itanium prices <- or ... I want my cheapr2 Message-ID: <2YednYU5wNUrro3dRVn-hA@metrocast.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageE news:0KQPb.56341$lGr.48797@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...s   ...d   > Where've you been Bill?J  L Between the holidays and the Democratic race, kind of busy.  But I have keptL an eye on c.o.v., and you guys seemed to be keeping the flacks honest pretty well without me.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:58:42 -0500e* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>K Subject: Re: Intel to chip away at Itanium prices <- or ... I want my cheapt2 Message-ID: <xtudnatkFJPFp43dRVn-jg@metrocast.net>  3 "Rick Jones" <foo@bar.baz.invalid> wrote in message - news:LDVPb.12827$Cg5.6088@news.cpqcorp.net...p+ > Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:uA > > A Dell 3.2 GHz Xeon submission last September nearly equalled A > > Itanic's best SPECint_base score (1274 vs. 1322) and slightlycF > > exceeded Itanic's best SPECint_peak score (1333 vs. 1322).  And itG > > did so using only 1/6th as much L3 cache (1 MB vs. 6 MB): both 2 MB D > > and 4 MB L3 high-frequency Xeons are supposedly coming out soon,@ > > which should surpass any Itanic in integer performance untilH > > Montecito some time in 2005 (by which time another generation of x86@ > > is also scheduled, so don't count on Itanic catching up then > > either). >dE > Any idea where the point of diminishing returns from cache size for> > SPECint2000 might be?   L Pretty large, assuming that you measure returns geometrically (e.g., by eachI doubling in size instead of per-MB).  Itanic itself provides several dataaE points with its different cache sizes (and they clearly help right upuK through 6 MB), and the single-processor IBM POWER4/4+ results that dedicateoE the entire 128 MB of off-chip L3 to SPECint seem to show some benefit H (though that cache is an order of magnitude slower than Itanic's on-chip- cache, so the effect is far less pronounced).   L My vague recollection is that *all* SPECint2K tests can fit into about a 200H MB footprint, so that would place an upper limit on effective cache size; until a new SPEC suite with a larger footprint comes along.    > D > > Of course, another problem is that you can't get that top Itanic8 > > score using anything but an HP zx1 chipset and HP-UX >hF > Out of curiousity, how many different chipsets and compilers achieve > the 3.2 GHz Xeon score?   C I didn't check, but Intel, Dell, and IBM (perhaps others) have XeonnI SPECint_peak scores in the upper 1200s - only a few percent below the one ! that edged out the HP zx1 Itanic.    >eF > > : from Intel's point of view, unless it just wants to become an HPD > > supplier Xeon *clearly* out-performs Itanic platforms from otherG > > vendors (and from Intel itself) in integer performance (SGI has one H > > pretty good score to boast about, but it's using the next generationH > > Intel compiler which one might expect will help x86 scores as well). >lF > If the 8.0 compiler also boosts x86, why haven't we seen it used forE > x86 scores? Is the 8.0 stuff not around at Intel or the x86 vendorse > for x86 yet?  J Beats me, unless it's simply because it would lift all boats and thus giveK no one any noticeable advantage (hence no great rush to adopt it until it'sFL actually available).  SGI, by contrast, needs all the boost it can get - andJ has what may be a leading chipset to show off to particular advantage (andI Intel also benefits from anyone who makes Itanic look good, of course, so C was presumably happy to make the future compiler available to SGI).    >f? > > There's a good reason that no single-processor Itanic TPC-ChB > > submissions exist, I suspect: they wouldn't be any better than > > Xeon's.h >r> > Is that also why there are no single-processor POWER4+ TPC-C > submissions?  J IBM just doesn't put that much effort into TPC-C submissions for the POWERI architecture these days, save at the high end (where they do so well thatcL I'd *really* like to see a 4-processor 1.7 GHz system tested).  By contrast,L Itanic suppliers seem more interested in pushing low-end Itanic systems - atL least where they can be made to seem competitive (hence my suspicion above).   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:42:02 GMTn& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>K Subject: Re: Intel to chip away at Itanium prices <- or ... I want my cheapt3 Message-ID: <_kYPb.12854$Yu5.5462@news.cpqcorp.net>s  ) Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:r5 > "Rick Jones" <foo@bar.baz.invalid> wrote in messaged/ > news:LDVPb.12827$Cg5.6088@news.cpqcorp.net...rF >> Any idea where the point of diminishing returns from cache size for >> SPECint2000 might be?  F > Pretty large, assuming that you measure returns geometrically (e.g.,F > by each doubling in size instead of per-MB).  Itanic itself providesF > several data points with its different cache sizes (and they clearlyE > help right up through 6 MB), and the single-processor IBM POWER4/4+iC > results that dedicate the entire 128 MB of off-chip L3 to SPECintb= > seem to show some benefit (though that cache is an order ofsD > magnitude slower than Itanic's on-chip cache, so the effect is far > less pronounced).'  D So then it isn't simply just the size of the cache that matters, butB how quickly one can get to it that matters.  Shame we don't have a> statistics hobbyist around to compute the correlations between9 SPECint2000 score and processor frequency or cache size. V  @ Using the configurable query form on www.spec.org to present theF SPECint2000 baseline scores for processors matching Itanium (sorry, noD matches on "Itanic" :) and then sorting by frequency as the primary,B baseline as the secondary, and then 2nd cache as the tertiary sort; (all descending) is intriguing.  Factoring for compiler rev'C differences and CECs is a bit beyond my Mk I eyeball at the moment, A but it does seem that the 8.0 vs 7.1 compiler makes a non-trivialo difference.    CINT2000  E Company   System        Baseline  MHz  Other Ca  Compiler  Published rD SGI       SGI Altix 3000   1243   1500  6.0MB    8.0        Sep-2003D Bull      NovaScale 4040   1217   1500  6MB      8          Dec-2003D Dell      Dell PowerEdge 3 1099   1500  6MB      7.1        Aug-2003D Bull      NovaScale 4040   1093   1500  6MB      7.1        Aug-2003D Supermic  SS6113M-i        1090   1500  6MB      7.1        Jan-2004D SGI       SGI Altix 3000   1077   1500  6.0MB    7.1        Jul-2003D SGI       SGI Altix 350     986   1400  1.5MB    8.0        Jan-2004D ION Comp  I2X2 (1.4GHz Ita  926   1400  4MB      7.1        Aug-2003D Dell      Dell PowerEdge 3  824   1400  1.5MB    7.1        Sep-2003D SGI       SGI Altix 3000   1019   1300  3.0MB    8.0        Jan-2004D SGI       SGI Altix 3000    875   1300  3.0MB    7.1        Jul-2003D Bull      NovaScale 4040    711   1000  3MB      7.0        Mar-2003D SGI       SGI Altix 3000    683   1000  3.0MB    7.1        Jun-2003  C SPECint being a trademark of SPEC, numbers being as of 1/22/04 from  www.spec.org, etc etc etc...    B > My vague recollection is that *all* SPECint2K tests can fit intoA > about a 200 MB footprint, so that would place an upper limit onuE > effective cache size until a new SPEC suite with a larger footprint  > comes along.  F SPECcpu2000 was intended to be runable in a system with at least 256MB of RAM.   ? >> Out of curiousity, how many different chipsets and compilers-" >> achieve the 3.2 GHz Xeon score?  E > I didn't check, but Intel, Dell, and IBM (perhaps others) have Xeona  F My check may have been too cursory, but I'm not seeing any SPECint2000F scores from IBM for x86 on www.spec.org - at least none for processorsF of frequency > 2800 MHz which is what I used on the configurable queryF form.  Lots of stuff from Intel. Some stuff from Dell - don't they use Intel chipsets? Stuff from HP.  A They all seem to be using the same compiler, well, not all - more  below.  C > SPECint_peak scores in the upper 1200s - only a few percent belowy+ > the one that edged out the HP zx1 Itanic.-  C But of the systems from those vendors, how many are using differentr compilers and chipsets?m  G >> If the 8.0 compiler also boosts x86, why haven't we seen it used for3F >> x86 scores? Is the 8.0 stuff not around at Intel or the x86 vendors >> for x86 yet?d  B > Beats me, unless it's simply because it would lift all boats andC > thus give no one any noticeable advantage (hence no great rush to C > adopt it until it's actually available).  SGI, by contrast, needs E > all the boost it can get - and has what may be a leading chipset to0@ > show off to particular advantage (and Intel also benefits fromA > anyone who makes Itanic look good, of course, so was presumablyr6 > happy to make the future compiler available to SGI).  D As it happens, in looking at www.spec.org to see what compilers wereE used by those vendors you mentioned above, there are some SPECint2000N' results for x86 using the 8.0 compiler:t  M http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2003q4/cpu2000-20030922-02523.htmlnM http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2003q4/cpu2000-20030922-02521.html M http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2003q4/cpu2000-20030922-02529.html   B are some of them. So, it seems that bullet has been fired for x86.F I've not gone-in far enough to see what the relative delta from 7.1 to 8.0 on the different CPUs.  @ >> > There's a good reason that no single-processor Itanic TPC-CC >> > submissions exist, I suspect: they wouldn't be any better than  >> > Xeon's. >>? >> Is that also why there are no single-processor POWER4+ TPC-Ch >> submissions?   F > IBM just doesn't put that much effort into TPC-C submissions for theD > POWER architecture these days, save at the high end (where they doD > so well that I'd *really* like to see a 4-processor 1.7 GHz system
 > tested).  E I'm sure there are many who would like to see lower-CPU count POWER4+ 
 TPC-C scores.-  ? > By contrast, Itanic suppliers seem more interested in pushingm > low-end Itanic systems u  D Could you expand on that a bit?  Which Itanium vendors do you see as1 being more interested in pushing low-end systems?   A > - at least where they can be made to seem competitive (hence my  > suspicion above).n  > But you do not suspect that IBM may not be putting effort into= lower-end POWER4+ TPC-C because they may not be competitive?    
 rick jones -- M= portable adj, code that compiles under more than one compilerlF these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...T   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:26:38 -0500f* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>K Subject: Re: Intel to chip away at Itanium prices <- or ... I want my cheapq2 Message-ID: <wIWdnYAVf6fxP43dRVn-jg@metrocast.net>  3 "Rick Jones" <foo@bar.baz.invalid> wrote in messageN- news:_kYPb.12854$Yu5.5462@news.cpqcorp.net...n+ > Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:h7 > > "Rick Jones" <foo@bar.baz.invalid> wrote in messager1 > > news:LDVPb.12827$Cg5.6088@news.cpqcorp.net... H > >> Any idea where the point of diminishing returns from cache size for > >> SPECint2000 might be? > H > > Pretty large, assuming that you measure returns geometrically (e.g.,H > > by each doubling in size instead of per-MB).  Itanic itself providesH > > several data points with its different cache sizes (and they clearlyG > > help right up through 6 MB), and the single-processor IBM POWER4/4+cE > > results that dedicate the entire 128 MB of off-chip L3 to SPECint0? > > seem to show some benefit (though that cache is an order ofmF > > magnitude slower than Itanic's on-chip cache, so the effect is far > > less pronounced).r >cF > So then it isn't simply just the size of the cache that matters, butD > how quickly one can get to it that matters.  Shame we don't have a@ > statistics hobbyist around to compute the correlations between: > SPECint2000 score and processor frequency or cache size.  L I took a rough look a while ago, and to a first approximation the new ItanicD SPECint scores seemed close to linear with frequency and IIRC gained7 something under 10% for each doubling of L3 cache size.t   >nB > Using the configurable query form on www.spec.org to present theH > SPECint2000 baseline scores for processors matching Itanium (sorry, noF > matches on "Itanic" :) and then sorting by frequency as the primary,D > baseline as the secondary, and then 2nd cache as the tertiary sort= > (all descending) is intriguing.  Factoring for compiler rev E > differences and CECs is a bit beyond my Mk I eyeball at the moment,oC > but it does seem that the 8.0 vs 7.1 compiler makes a non-trivial 
 > difference.i  I It looks like a little over 10% from the small Itanic sample you gave.  IhH didn't take the time to check the x86 examples you noted later (assuming6 that apples-to-apples comparisons exist there at all).   ...   A > >> Out of curiousity, how many different chipsets and compilerst$ > >> achieve the 3.2 GHz Xeon score? >tG > > I didn't check, but Intel, Dell, and IBM (perhaps others) have XeonA >PH > My check may have been too cursory, but I'm not seeing any SPECint2000H > scores from IBM for x86 on www.spec.org - at least none for processorsH > of frequency > 2800 MHz which is what I used on the configurable queryH > form.  Lots of stuff from Intel. Some stuff from Dell - don't they use  > Intel chipsets? Stuff from HP.  J I should have checked rather than relied on vague memory.  But it works ifL you substitute 'HP' for 'IBM', and some of the HP Xeon peak scores were over 1300..   > C > They all seem to be using the same compiler, well, not all - more2 > below. >3E > > SPECint_peak scores in the upper 1200s - only a few percent belowo- > > the one that edged out the HP zx1 Itanic.s >aE > But of the systems from those vendors, how many are using different  > compilers and chipsets?   K Intel doesn't care:  it only cares about the relative volume.  HP-UX ItanicgI systems generate only a very small fraction of the volume that HP, Intel,aH and Dell (and IBM, though they didn't bother to submit SPECint tests forI them) Xeon systems (running Windows or perhaps Linux) generate, which was B the point:  those Xeon systems provide better performance than theK ('standard', not zx1/HP-UX) Itanic systems that will generate Itanic servert3 volumes (if any such volumes are *ever* generated).n   ...r  H > > IBM just doesn't put that much effort into TPC-C submissions for theF > > POWER architecture these days, save at the high end (where they doF > > so well that I'd *really* like to see a 4-processor 1.7 GHz system > > tested). >tG > I'm sure there are many who would like to see lower-CPU count POWER4+e > TPC-C scores.g >iA > > By contrast, Itanic suppliers seem more interested in pushinge > > low-end Itanic systems >aF > Could you expand on that a bit?  Which Itanium vendors do you see as3 > being more interested in pushing low-end systems?I  E Based on the TPC-C submissions (the specific context under discussion K above), HP seems more interested in pushing 4-way to 16-way Itanics in thateE space than IBM seems to be in pushing anything under 32-way POWER4+s.o   > C > > - at least where they can be made to seem competitive (hence my  > > suspicion above).- >-@ > But you do not suspect that IBM may not be putting effort into> > lower-end POWER4+ TPC-C because they may not be competitive?  J Not necessarily.  It's a bit strange:  IBM makes lower-end POWER4+ systemsG right down to the 4-(or even2-?)processor level, but hasn't bothered to2H submit *any* of them for TPC-C.  Perhaps they take the old Rolls/BentleyH view that customers will assume that they offer 'sufficient' performanceL without exact quantification, and only bother with the high end to make sure. that there's some support for that assumption.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:57:52 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)% Subject: Re: Looking for VAX/VMS V4.7o3 Message-ID: <kPWPb.252820$Tz1.88423@news.chello.at>   l In article <dundas-2101041242470001@dundas-mac.caltech.edu>, dundas@caltech.edu (John A. Dundas III) writes:K >For hobbiest purposes only I am looking for a copy of V4.7.  If I remember C >correctly V4.7 was an upgrade from V4.5 (to V4.6); that is, it was ? >distributed only as an update, not as a complete installation.   I No. V4.7 was an upgrade version to V4.6 (just like V4.5 was for V4.4). SoaJ you need V4.6 media (which was a big 1600bpi reel tape - and maybe a smallJ MUP reel tape in addition) _and_ V4.7 media (which was a small reel tape).  ; Sorry, I can't help. We gave them away over a decade ago...e   -- a Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialistf E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:04:58 -0500 2 From: "Chris Moore" <chrismichael000@sympatico.ca>% Subject: Re: Looking for VAX/VMS V4.7B; Message-ID: <YEYPb.18214$U77.1376711@news20.bellglobal.com>k  C "Sherman, set the Way-Back machine for 1986, we need some software"   & "Holy archaic, Mr. Peabody..........."      : "John A. Dundas III" <dundas@caltech.edu> wrote in message6 news:dundas-2101041242470001@dundas-mac.caltech.edu...L > For hobbiest purposes only I am looking for a copy of V4.7.  If I rememberD > correctly V4.7 was an upgrade from V4.5 (to V4.6); that is, it was@ > distributed only as an update, not as a complete installation. >rG > Regardless of my faulty memory, could anyone get me close?  I can use0# > either TK50s or tape image files.@ >oE > While I'm at it, any copies of VAX C from that era still available?  >P	 > Thanks,s >- > John >$ > -- r > John A. Dundas III4 > Director, Information Technology Services, Caltech- > Mail Code: 014-81, Pasadena, CA  91125-8100f' > Phone: 626.395.3392 FAX: 626.449.6973e   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2004 10:57:33 -0800& From: twnews@kittles.com (Thomas Wirt)7 Subject: Re: Migrating Pathworks 5 to Advanced Server 7o= Message-ID: <b3531425.0401221057.28d87385@posting.google.com>n  I This is a complicated thing if you are trying to avoid recreating all of iF your shares.  At minimum you would need to upgrade to 6.0C (I think). E From there you can upgrade to AS 7.3.  You could probably upgrade on .H the VAX to PW 6.0C, install PW 6.0C on the Alpha, move your file system G (with identical volume labels) to the Alpha, replace the LANMAN DBs on aH the Alpha with the ones from the VAX (this involves replacing the files ; in just the right way), then upgrading the Alpha to AS 7.3.-  E If you do not wish to do this, then you can simply install AS 7.3 on 5G your Alpha (make sure that you have a 07.03 license) and add shares to  I match your old setup.  There should not be any issues about domain.  You hH can join an existing domain (perhaps the domain of the VAX) or create a G new domain.  Just remember that if you wish to join a domain that is a lG part of your corporate network, you will need an administrator of that P* domain to add your computer to the domain.  " Hope this helps at least a little.   Thomas Wirtt Systems Manager  Kittle's Home Furnishingss Indianapolis, IN    j jbelicka@shaw.ca (John Belicka) wrote in message news:<ffd7b0f0.0401111115.33d557ca@posting.google.com>...> > I'm looking for advice on how to proceed with the following: >  > Situation:C > I have a VAXcluster running Pathworks 5.0f (patched) as well as asH > standalone development VAX also running the same version of Pathworks. > F > The standalone has unique file and print shares but is somehow setupB > to get it's authentication from the VAXcluster Pathworks domain. > D > On the other side of the room I'm setting up the equivalent configB > using Alphaservers. These will be running VMS 7.3-1 and Advanced
 > server 7.3.t >  aH > DECNET IV and Plus are in use with Multinet being the common IP stack.; > I believe Pathworks is currently running using DECnet IV.m >  >  > Requirement:G > As this is a hardware/software replacement only at this time, could Ie@ > get some fundamental feedback on how to best configure the new7 > environment to look as much like the old as possible.e > E > I believe we want to set up our own domain with a trusted domain onnD > the development box. Participation with an in-house NT (soon to beH > W2003 AD domain)needs be very basic only - we share printers and allowB > WIN-users access to shares obviously. I haven't discussed sharedA > authentication with the WIN-side of the IT group at this point.t >  > E > Please keep in mind I'm NOT a PWks guru, just a VMS systems managere< > who has inheritted the maintenance (for now) of a requiredF > configuration. So I'm after an overview commentary and then pointersG > to the doc to execute on this migration. Later, well, we'll see aboute
 > later... >  > Thanks in advanceI > John B   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:46:33 GMTo1 From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net>s- Subject: Re: No more mascot on VMS home page?r4 Message-ID: <dW%Pb.2063$n01.11@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>  G My apologies.  I can't blame mind on fumble fingers, just getting old &i senile.o  G Sorry about the 'mascot' mention.  I was thinking of the Ask the Wizard J page; I see the mascot is still there.  I still prefer the old look of the pages, however.o   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2004 23:08:36 -0000 From: none <sender@no.net>
 Subject: nones7 Message-ID: <OBU0Q29Q38008.7143055556@anonymous.poster>    none   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2004 16:38:57 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e@ Subject: Re: Object available. No source. Vax to Alpha Migration3 Message-ID: <VueXBh5CQRKf@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  ] In article <nfg0105fojnbcc92ot35e3ilgfbjctj48a@4ax.com>, tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com writes:=G > What procedures are available when we find the SOURCE missing, but wesG > have the OBJECT module available only on the VAX platform. We need iti > on the ALPHA (DEC) box.   @ Depending on what language was used, you may be able to link and@ then convert the resulting EXECUTABLE image from VAX to Alpha by@ using the DecMigrate tool (nee VEST).  Expect to do considerable( reading to actually understand the tool.  $ > Any help is greatly appreciated...  @ If you can say what language was used to create the OBJECT file,: there may be off the cuff reaction from participants here.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:36:46 GMTe" From: tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com< Subject: Object available. No source. Vax to Alpha Migration8 Message-ID: <nfg0105fojnbcc92ot35e3ilgfbjctj48a@4ax.com>  E What procedures are available when we find the SOURCE missing, but we E have the OBJECT module available only on the VAX platform. We need ito on the ALPHA (DEC) box.   " Any help is greatly appreciated... tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:27:20 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <weaverconsultingservices@sympatico.ca>@ Subject: Re: Object available. No source. Vax to Alpha Migration; Message-ID: <kG0Qb.18701$U77.1487836@news20.bellglobal.com>   : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:VueXBh5CQRKf@eisner.encompasserve.org...e >...B > If you can say what language was used to create the OBJECT file, >...  F Careful Larry, if you tell Jerrold that he forgot to tell us importantH information he'll sign you up for 13 newsletters. But it is very easy toE tell that Jerrold is the one playing childish games since some of thesK newsletters will tell you that were signed up by someone at 67.8.192.225, a-J quick check of the header's of Jerrold's posts will tell you that he posts from the same address.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:33:17 GMTu" From: tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com@ Subject: Re: Object available. No source. Vax to Alpha Migration8 Message-ID: <ls1110hsnppqp75niutut2pbrlao424neg@4ax.com>  # My best guess is EITHER Cobol or C.:  A This is a called routine: Cobol calls a C program which calls thetE missing source program. While it could be C, it most likely is Cobol.    Hope that helps a little.e    % On 22 Jan 2004 16:38:57 -0600, wrote:f  ^ >In article <nfg0105fojnbcc92ot35e3ilgfbjctj48a@4ax.com>, tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com writes:H >> What procedures are available when we find the SOURCE missing, but weH >> have the OBJECT module available only on the VAX platform. We need it >> on the ALPHA (DEC) box. t > A >Depending on what language was used, you may be able to link andgA >then convert the resulting EXECUTABLE image from VAX to Alpha by A >using the DecMigrate tool (nee VEST).  Expect to do considerableo) >reading to actually understand the tool.  >t% >> Any help is greatly appreciated...  >eA >If you can say what language was used to create the OBJECT file, ; >there may be off the cuff reaction from participants here.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:29:02 -0500I' From: John Sauter <J_Sauter@Empire.Net>n@ Subject: Re: Object available. No source. Vax to Alpha Migration8 Message-ID: <f351101e581l0bsje6hgikj8v2r1dl8ht1@4ax.com>  A Usually calls are made to a lower-level language, to do somethingg? that can't be done in the higher-level language.  Thus Cobol to4 C to assembler, is my guess.  @ Dump the object file and post it, or excerpts from it.  Somebody. might see something that would provide a clue.%     John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net)t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:04:07 GMTe1 From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net>t@ Subject: Re: Object available. No source. Vax to Alpha Migration7 Message-ID: <X21Qb.14406$h77.4138@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>:  L You could run a pass of analyze/object/interactive on the .OBJ file and tellI what language it is; I'm pretty sure  there'll be a 'language header' (oriL some such construct) that will tell you what the compiler was that generated the .OBJ file.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:32:16 -0500d0 From: "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com>@ Subject: Re: Object available. No source. Vax to Alpha Migration- Message-ID: <buqf6l$c3of$1@news3.infoave.net>a  I If these are called routines, you can create a shareable image library on K VAX, VEST that .exe to create an Alpha shareable link library. Then compileoI any available source files on native alpha and link against the shareable 
 link library.   K That way you get the performance boost of running as much native alpha code E as possible and only run translated vax images for the missing calledu	 routines.a  K If the shareable image library is called "mycalledroutines.exe" on the VAX,o? VEST will create a "mycalledroutines_Tv.exe". Just rename it to,H "mycalledroutines.exe" and define a logical pointing to it. You can alsoD installed it as a shared image to improve performance when shared by multiple processes.t  K Get it all working pure VAX first, then recompile whatever sources you have 1 available that call these "mycalledroutines.exe".w  J The linker manual and VMS doc set will explain how to create the shareable image library.  L If you have none of the VAX source code, just VEST the executables and go...G There's a 3-5X hit on performance and a 2-3X hit on memory and pagefilee8 usage, but other than that, VESTed images run just fine.  7 Then start re-writing so you'll be ready for Itanium...   
 Good luck!  3                                                Jeffl  / <tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message 2 news:nfg0105fojnbcc92ot35e3ilgfbjctj48a@4ax.com...G > What procedures are available when we find the SOURCE missing, but weaG > have the OBJECT module available only on the VAX platform. We need itn > on the ALPHA (DEC) box.i >o$ > Any help is greatly appreciated... > tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:41:24 +0000-; From: Gerald Marsh <gerald-@-cyfer-remove_this.demon.co.uk>5 Subject: ODS5 and UNZIPa8 Message-ID: <p5d0109fjmel2afgnr596jakf2lli9lqi8@4ax.com>  A Having performed a SET VOL to change a drive to ODS5 - mainly forcC Apache use (CSWS) - I thought I could host some pages which used to > live on an NT system. The filenames are mixed case and contain
 filenames.  D After checking that I had the latest Alpha version of UNZIP (V5.5, ID think - apologies for the uppercase commands but old habits etc!), ID tried and tried and tried to recreate the directory structure on the ODS 5 disk to no avail.1  ? I copied the Winzip'd file to the Alpha using Reflections' file @ transfer and a list of the Alpha's zip file showed the filespecsF complete with spaces. It seems that the UNZIP insists on replacing theC spaces with underscores no matter which options I use. I even triediF enclosing the output spec in quotes for a couple of files and that did not work either.  B Any help would be greatly appreciated and help to fly the flag for OpenVMS and our team!!  F Slightly OT: I suspect that my HTML files, some being created from DCLB CGI procedures, would need the Stream_LF conversion for the latestA version of Apache. I'm very reluctant to install the new version.   ' Bye for now and keep the flag a'flying.0     Gerald.0   Gerald Marsh  4 gerald -at_Sign- cyfer -dot- demon -dot- co -dot- uk, (And I really get miffed having to do that!)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:48:19 -0700m+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>s Subject: Re: ODS5 and UNZIP ' Message-ID: <40103713.5050405@MMaz.com>*   Gerald Marsh wrote:m  B >Having performed a SET VOL to change a drive to ODS5 - mainly forD >Apache use (CSWS) - I thought I could host some pages which used to? >live on an NT system. The filenames are mixed case and contain. >filenames.i > E >After checking that I had the latest Alpha version of UNZIP (V5.5, I@E >think - apologies for the uppercase commands but old habits etc!), I E >tried and tried and tried to recreate the directory structure on ther >ODS 5 disk to no avail. >  / >n7 Have you tried tar?  Perhaps that will maintain case...-   Barry-   -- -  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:41:21 -0600n6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> Subject: Re: ODS5 and UNZIPaT Message-ID: <craigberry-D23C8B.15412122012004@dsl081-159-101.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net>  ' In article <40103713.5050405@MMaz.com>, -  "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote:e   > Gerald Marsh wrote:l > D > >Having performed a SET VOL to change a drive to ODS5 - mainly forF > >Apache use (CSWS) - I thought I could host some pages which used toA > >live on an NT system. The filenames are mixed case and contain 
 > >filenames.. > >nG > >After checking that I had the latest Alpha version of UNZIP (V5.5, InG > >think - apologies for the uppercase commands but old habits etc!), IaG > >tried and tried and tried to recreate the directory structure on theu > >ODS 5 disk to no avail. > >    > >e9 > Have you tried tar?  Perhaps that will maintain case...r  G Case is not the problem.  Unzip preserves case when unzipping to ODS-5 XH volumes.  The problem is filename characters that are illegal on ODS-2. H  I don't know of any way to make current versions of unzip handle these H without translation (short of modifying the unzip sources).  vmstar, on C the other hand, has had this capability for awhile, so yes, tar is e probably the easiest solution.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 03:45:26 GMThA From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk>g* Subject: Re: OpenVMS book recommendations?= Message-ID: <qN0Qb.7288$2v7.81931328@news-text.cableinet.net>   G http://www.pottsoft.com/home/vms/vms.html has a pretty good list of VMS  related books.  G However, the comprehensive documentation set is a great place to start,pD including some of the archived manuals, such as "Building dependable  systems - the OpenVMS approach".   -- m   Hope this helps, Colin.-) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT ukaL Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks.    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2004 19:43:00 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)" Subject: OpenVMS wins another one!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0401221943.29ffc7bf@posting.google.com>l  9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=04/01/22/7074154w   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:28:46 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)A Subject: Re: OT: Is GRID another name for Distributed Computing ?-4 Message-ID: <igXPb.253226$Tz1.250051@news.chello.at>  q In article <u4W+pns8k6SP@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: W >In article <400FEA04.553AA164@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:n >> >> >> Had Digital retained the scalability of VMS to workstations > F >   Where did it go?  VMS 7.3 is running just fine on my workstations.   Into marketing hell.  H Yes, VMS V7.3-2 run also on my workstations. But what else or what for ?J VMS was relegated to high end niche markets and even in them it still getsK replaced because of the missing marketing actions of (all) the VMS owner(s) I (I know of a stock exchange which started to get rid of VMS and of a bank L which started to use a former VMS-only application on U**X, because of this)  L No, stop, not another negative thread again. I still hope, VMS will survive. -- o Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERg% Network and OpenVMS system specialistw E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jan 2004 17:34:42 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)1 Subject: Re: Pathworks Macintosh, OS-X & Printingd0 Message-ID: <bup1ji$4l0$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  b In article <220120041206431764%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:D >In article <bujktt$4gs$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, Christoph Gartmann+ ><gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens> wrote:  >eB >> Pathworks for Macintosh (MSA) under OpenVMS 7.3-1. We have someC >> printers that are connected to our VMS-cluster. In order to make E >> these available to the Mac users we MSA. Now the following problemt >> occured:o >iA >I have nothing new to add, but can confirm what you are seeing. cD >Printing from a Mac OS 9.1 system as well as from Mac OS 9.2 in theH >Classic environment both work, while printing from Mac OS X 10.3.2 does >not.  I get the same. >H= >   %MSAP-E-PAPCONN, connection gone status 65446498 on ref 1h > E >message that you do.  I tried this on OpenVMS Alpha V6.2, V7.2-2 and $ >V7.3-2 and the same thing happened. >eE >So it appears that somewhere along the way, Mac OS X stopped workingt( >with PATHWORKS for OpenVMS (Macintosh).  F Somehow. The strange thing is that it works with some printers (e.g. aE LN17ps connected via DCPS and LAT) and with others it doesn't (e.g. ar& DECLaser3500, again via DCPS and LAT).  N One user could resolve the problem by installing the printer driver from Xerox for a Tektronix Phaser 750.e   The status 65446498 resolves toe;    %ATK-E-PAP_CLSCONREQ, Connection closed by remote clientI  M In addition I noticed the following: when creating the printer under OS-X, itiL sometimes hangs retrieving the information about the PPD. If this happens, IJ get this stupid status message when printing. If the initial communicationF between OS-X and the printer is all right, printing is all right, too.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanng   --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452s  ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germanyp9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.htmlh   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2004 14:13:37 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)u1 Subject: Re: Pathworks Macintosh, OS-X & Printing 3 Message-ID: <UMVQcIrTJugM@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  b In article <220120041206431764%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:  : > Now all we need is Rendezvous support on OpenVMS, right?  . I don't know.  Would that work alongside PAP ?  F Certainly I don't expect to fully abandon MacOS 9, 8 or 7 for a while.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:40:16 -08002, From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>1 Subject: Re: Pathworks Macintosh, OS-X & Printingp+ Message-ID: <bupg01$jsk$1@news01.intel.com>    Paul Anderson wrote:
 [big snip]: > Now all we need is Rendezvous support on OpenVMS, right?  >      I don't know from Rendezvous (care to share?), but I will= say I was quite impressed with the Safari web browser while Id: was setting up my daughter's iBook.  I wonder if there's a3 chance in h3ll for that to be ported to VMS...  :-}u   	-Kent -- l6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfieldr! D1C Automation VMS System Supporti" who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:07:40 GMTd* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>1 Subject: Re: Pathworks Macintosh, OS-X & Printingc5 Message-ID: <220120041809327934%paul.anderson@hp.com>o  C In article <UMVQcIrTJugM@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgalleni <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:  E > In article <220120041206431764%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Andersona  > <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes: > < > > Now all we need is Rendezvous support on OpenVMS, right? > 0 > I don't know.  Would that work alongside PAP ? > H > Certainly I don't expect to fully abandon MacOS 9, 8 or 7 for a while.  A Now that I think of it, is Rendezvous used for both discovery andcD printing?  I was thinking of the discovery part, where OpenVMS wouldD advertise printer services so they could be seen by Rendezvous-aware! clients (like Macs, for example).   G But we'd have to implement Rendezvous for printing, too.  I doubt there 8 would be enough call for Rendezvous to justify the work.  9 In article <bupg01$jsk$1@news01.intel.com>, Ken Fairfield  <My.Full.Name@intel.com> wrote:   E > I don't know from Rendezvous (care to share?), but I will say I was G > quite impressed with the Safari web browser while I was setting up my-E > daughter's iBook.  I wonder if there's a chance in h3ll for that to0 > be ported to VMS...  :-}  G It seems we have enough trouble keeping up with Mozilla, as the current9= version on OpenVMS is a test version of 1.5 (1.6 is current).0  E Is Safari part of the open source provided by Apple?  I haven't heard B of any ports of Safari to other operating systems.  I wonder if it0 would be as great a browser if ported elsewhere.   Paul   -- d  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringe   Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:05:37 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>1 Subject: Re: Pathworks Macintosh, OS-X & Printing-T Message-ID: <craigberry-7D3231.21053722012004@dsl081-159-101.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net>  5 In article <220120041809327934%paul.anderson@hp.com>,o,  Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> wrote:  C > Now that I think of it, is Rendezvous used for both discovery and0F > printing?  I was thinking of the discovery part, where OpenVMS wouldF > advertise printer services so they could be seen by Rendezvous-aware# > clients (like Macs, for example).b > I > But we'd have to implement Rendezvous for printing, too.  I doubt thered: > would be enough call for Rendezvous to justify the work.  0 I don't know either, but there's lots of info at  7 http://developer.apple.com/macosx/rendezvous/index.htmlo  H They offer implementation source code for about five different OS's, so & you wouldn't be starting from scratch.  G > Is Safari part of the open source provided by Apple?  I haven't heardoD > of any ports of Safari to other operating systems.  I wonder if it2 > would be as great a browser if ported elsewhere.  G Safari is based on the KHTML rendering engine from the Gnome project.  sE They've made their own enhancements and released them as open source:g  = http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/webcore/index.htmlr  F But the UI is, as I understand it, written from scratch in Cocoa, the H native GUI services for Mac OS X.  Assuming you could get Apple to part C with the source code (unlikely), you'd have to give a few talented 6H graphics programmers a year or two to emulate all those services before 7 you could reasonably port an application based on them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:28:34 GMTaA From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk>i  Subject: Re: remove DECnet OSI ?= Message-ID: <CvVPb.6873$b14.78477375@news-text.cableinet.net>k   Merci bien. C'est tres gentil.   -- e   Hope this helps, Colin.h) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT ukiL Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks.o   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2004 23:20:28 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)p  Subject: Re: remove DECnet OSI ?3 Message-ID: <$FHnCQVTItJ+@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  y In article <40108E96.C4E52DCE@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> so >> In article <FyLPb.244610$Tz1.58284@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:  >> e$ >> > May I ask VMS engineering again< >> > for a move of the DECnet startup to SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM ? >> iE >> They just got done cleaning it up so we no longer have to do that.ID >> After just installing VMS on 6 machines, I prefer to have them doE >> that work before SYSTARTUP.COM.  They even start the Queue Managero >> for us now. > H > ...which I hope there's a way to inhibit because if the (batch) queuesB > start before the application in some cases, the database can get > hopelessly blasted.m  D That is the purpose of the ENABLE AUTOSTART command (or the separate= START/QUEUE commands for those who get paid per line of DCL).    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:01:42 -0600m@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  Subject: Re: remove DECnet OSI ?6 Message-ID: <40108E96.C4E52DCE@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > n > In article <FyLPb.244610$Tz1.58284@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: > # > > May I ask VMS engineering againa; > > for a move of the DECnet startup to SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM ?m > D > They just got done cleaning it up so we no longer have to do that.C > After just installing VMS on 6 machines, I prefer to have them do-D > that work before SYSTARTUP.COM.  They even start the Queue Manager
 > for us now.c  F ...which I hope there's a way to inhibit because if the (batch) queues@ start before the application in some cases, the database can get hopelessly blasted.a   -- n David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systems1 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:54:08 GMTc& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>' Subject: Re: SpecInt values - ES40/GS80i4 Message-ID: <k%UPb.12819$_45.11081@news.cpqcorp.net>  1 Dave Baxter <dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com> wrote:eE > Can anyone give me the SpecInt ratings for the 667MHz CPU's used inrE > the ES40, and the 1224 MHz CPU's used in the GS80/GS160.   (or justy > the performance ratio even)o  D I suspect that if there are such SPECint out there you would be able$ to find them on http://www.spec.org/  
 rick jones -- e? Process shall set you free from the need for rational thought. aF these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:11:22 GMTS3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) @ Subject: Re: SYSGEN, Parameter Files, and V7.3-1->V7.3-2 Upgrade3 Message-ID: <K7WPb.12834$wb5.8725@news.cpqcorp.net>h  9 In article <rt50105kea4uegkkdaco96lbau5nmrvdig@4ax.com>,  ( David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> writes:I >On 21 Jan 2004 13:53:32 -0800, rrb35146@yahoo.com (Robbie Benton) wrote:t > G >>Recently, I installed (not upgraded) OpenVMS V7.3-2 on one of the VMS H >>machines in my cluster.  I noticed that a parameter file created underA >>V7.3-1 would not be processed as expected by SYSGEN on a V7.3-2,3 >>system.  Below is an example of what I have seen.t ..O >i believe you are trying to do something which is not supported. The format ofiO >the actual SYSGEN parameters file (ALPHAVMSSYS.PAR or VAXVMSSYS.PAR) is binary P >and undocumented and, therefore, you need to be certain to use the same versionG >of SYSGEN to manipulate it as it was created with. At least that is myt >experience.  C I don't know what is happening here, but so far as I know there waspG no change in the format of the system parameters file betwee V7.3-1 ando V7.3-2.f   -- cJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:09:12 +0000eO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>fI Subject: Re: The Register: OpenVMS among most-secure of operating systems 0 Message-ID: <bup3k8$d2e$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <buojdg$74u$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > 7 >>Fact, HP/Compaq and the various owners of TCPWARE and3: >>Multinet have released patches for general vunerabilites: >>in OpenSource components which apply to those components7 >>running on OpenVMS and have admitted the vunerabilityr9 >>in CERT advisories. Why would they do this if they weres >>not vunerable ?c >  > > >    Issuing a patch and admitting "affected" shows that thereA >    must have been a bug.  It does not prove that the bug was a B >    security issue. > 9 Ohh more grasping at straws. Admiting that there is a bug : with a patch for it in a forum that is only concerned with, security issues that it is a security issue.  6 You seem to have been taking lessons from Rob on spin,5 congrats even Rob would have been proud of that piecem
 of wriggling.e  6 I would suggest that you start lobbying to get OpenVMS4 evaluated under the EAL criteria that would generate9 more light and less heat, all you are doing is generating  the latter.I     Regardsi Andrew Harrisonc   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 03:39:12 GMTl# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>eI Subject: Re: The Register: OpenVMS among most-secure of operating systemstI Message-ID: <AH0Qb.99992$7JB1.69131@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>a   JF Mezei wrote:m >nD > VMS' achille's heel is all the Digital software which is no longer > native tonE > VMS but rather ported from Unix. (TCPIP Services, X-windows, Apache  > etc).m  H What you mean to say is 'all the virus and security and worm compromised4 software that was originally authored on SunOS'. ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:31:32 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>I Subject: Re: The Register: OpenVMS among most-secure of operating systems-) Message-ID: <40106B5D.94368FA7@istop.com>o  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:> > No its not. There is ample evidence that OpenVMS security is> > partly based on what appears to be an attempt to obscure any> > issues that may exist. You only have to examine the POP saga > to verify this claim.e  N The number of vulnerabilities of an OS depends on how much an OS moves and howG much the software on the OS moves and how much software there is on it.o    J Windows is at one extreme, with not only lots of changes, but also lots ofN software where "massive improvements" are needed to motivate people to buy theL next version.  Each news release opens up a whole new can of worms, viruses,K and other bugs. Windows users are accustomed to hearing about bugs, viruses. propping up every week.   L VMS is at another extreme. Very stable environment, very litle software leftI on it, and no radical changes with every new release. So it has much less S potential for new bugs to creep in, and more chances that old bugs have been fixed.p  J Combine this with the fact that Windows is designed to have holes in it toK make all sorts of marketing features (which attract cviruses), while VMS istK more focused at improving availability/availability with much work it seemsWI going towards supporting new cluster interconnects as well as Guy Peleg's  improvements to DCL.  M It isn't because there are fewer usres on VMS that there are fewer reports of M viruses. It is because it is old trusted software with all the bugs fixed and 4 also because there is a lot less software available.  L VMS' achille's heel is all the Digital software which is no longer native toI VMS but rather ported from Unix. (TCPIP Services, X-windows, Apache etc).a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:09:56 -0600o@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>3 Subject: Re: VAX support needed in rural SE Indianaa6 Message-ID: <40109084.DFEA1945@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Ken Farmer wrote:7 > L > Got an email from someone this morning looking for VAX support in rural SEJ > Indiana, contractor or company.  I don't know many details, I think it's > only one server. > : > If interested let him know soon, he needs to know today. >  > lturner at intat dot com  D According to Mapquest, not far from IndyPoles, 260+ miles from Metro Chicago.   -- - David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/8   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:04:32 -0600-@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>% Subject: Re: VAXUS: Call for ChaptersP6 Message-ID: <40108F40.3C1E0002@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Didier Morandi wrote:n >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: > + > > How formal and scientific is your data?n > $ > I shall not comment on my sources.  H The point is this: will it convince anyone, or just be pooh-poohed as an unscientific sampling?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems6 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/N   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2004 19:44:47 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)@ Subject: VMS "security"/"stability" wins back Veterans Admin ...< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0401221944.f280336@posting.google.com>  l http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=3CMWSFIJ22YCMQSNDBGCKHY?articleID=17500090   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:38:46 -0500e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>D Subject: Re: VMS "security"/"stability" wins back Veterans Admin ...) Message-ID: <4010A54A.B61F9245@istop.com>o   Bob Ceculski wrote:  > n > http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=3CMWSFIJ22YCMQSNDBGCKHY?articleID=17500090  . There is one "positive" aspect to the article: ##N Integrity Intanium and the company's AlphaServer systems. The Alpha line, alsoL originally developed by Digital, is still in widespread use, although HP has7 been encouraging Alpha users to switch to the Itanium. f ##  K Positive in that it doesn't mention that Alpha is dead, as do most articlesnL about VMS and uses a statement such as "widespread use" which is rarely used for any VMS articles.i  L One question about the Shannon "dwindling customer base" statement. Was thisH Shannon as the de-facto HP spokesperson for VMS, or was it Shannon as an independant reporter ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:02:38 -0700 8 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam>- Subject: Re: VMS authentication to Windows AD / Message-ID: <j7VPb.40$yO.31951@news.uswest.net>t  J I just read the Kerberos thread and will monitor it.  It appears I'll have? to wait until VMS 8.2 for one network/one password integration.i   Mike.d  C "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam> wrote in message * news:SARPb.10$1b1.25455@news.uswest.net...J > I need to have my users periodically change their passwords, but most ofL > them are computer illiterate (they have no idea what a command line is andI > sometimes have a hard time logging into a Windows Domain without help).  IsI > there anyway to have VMS authenticate to a Windows 2000 AD Domain?  I'msJ > reasonably sure I can train them to change their passwords when prompted by
 > the domain.g >t > TCPIP SHO VER returnsv > @ >  Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 2: >   on a AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB running OpenVMS V7.3-1 >i	 > Thanks,  > Mike Ober. >- >-   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:21:43 GMTR6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)- Subject: Re: VMS authentication to Windows AD%4 Message-ID: <H9XPb.253127$Tz1.186010@news.chello.at>  k In article <SARPb.10$1b1.25455@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-.@.-alum-mit-edu-nospam> writes:sI >I need to have my users periodically change their passwords, but most of K >them are computer illiterate (they have no idea what a command line is and-L >sometimes have a hard time logging into a Windows Domain without help).  IsH >there anyway to have VMS authenticate to a Windows 2000 AD Domain?  I'mL >reasonably sure I can train them to change their passwords when prompted by >the domain.  ? Check the VMS docs for "external authentication" and/or "ACME".e< This means, with the help (of a part) of the Advanced Server< VMS users can authenticate with the LanMan-Domain passwords.  ) 	PWRK$ACME_DEFAULT_DOMAIN	"lanman-domain"r6 	PWRK$ACME_MODULE		SYS$SHARE:PWRK$ACME_MODULE_arch.EXE# 	SYS$ACME_MODULE			PWRK$ACME_MODULEO/ 	SYS$SINGLE_SIGNON		bitmask (eg. 3 or 80000003)W  ) Check for /FLAG=EXTAUTH in AUTHORIZE, tooe   -- n Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERu% Network and OpenVMS system specialistt E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:28:45 -0500r3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>w- Subject: Re: VMS authentication to Windows ADe0 Message-ID: <TcudnUIQJqN2CY3d4p2dnA@comcast.com>  H External authentication has been possible since VMS V7.2-1 and possibly ' before then.  I never tried it because:O a. I didn't need it, and. b. I'd hate to trust my security to Microsoft!   RTFM for the details.@   Michael D. Ober wrote:  I >I need to have my users periodically change their passwords, but most ofuK >them are computer illiterate (they have no idea what a command line is and L >sometimes have a hard time logging into a Windows Domain without help).  IsH >there anyway to have VMS authenticate to a Windows 2000 AD Domain?  I'mL >reasonably sure I can train them to change their passwords when prompted by >the domain. >  >TCPIP SHO VER returns >s? > Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 2y9 >  on a AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB running OpenVMS V7.3-1V >B >Thanks, >Mike Ober.s >e >g >    >.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:24:49 -0600 ' From: "Russ Dittmer" <russ@dittmer.com>  Subject: VMS Games problem) Message-ID: <40104e82_2@news1.prserv.net>w   hello & I tried to DL the VMS games listed at:- http://www.openvmshobbyist.org/downloads.htmloE and when I invoke backup, it says they're not valid backup save-sets.89 Can anyone else verify whether they are or are not valid?sL I am guessing moving them from the website to my PC, and then ftping them to( my Alpha, somehow they became corrupted.0 I have tried to use the DCL command procedure atZ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/000tools/reset_backup_saveset_attributes.com
  and no help.@   Thanks   RD   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:43:59 +0000 (UTC)g) From: "Jeff" <dirkdiggler@totalise.co.uk>m Subject: Re: VMS Games problem/ Message-ID: <bupn7v$mlq$1@titan.btinternet.com>    Russ,a  > Are you FTP'ing them from the PC to OpenVMS as BINARY images ?  J This usually works for me, then once they are on my Alpha I simply run the .COM you mention as they work.   Regards,   Jeff    2 "Russ Dittmer" <russ@dittmer.com> wrote in message# news:40104e82_2@news1.prserv.net...L > hello ( > I tried to DL the VMS games listed at:/ > http://www.openvmshobbyist.org/downloads.htmlrG > and when I invoke backup, it says they're not valid backup save-sets.r; > Can anyone else verify whether they are or are not valid? K > I am guessing moving them from the website to my PC, and then ftping theme to* > my Alpha, somehow they became corrupted.2 > I have tried to use the DCL command procedure at >oZ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/000tools/reset_backup_saveset_attributes.com >  and no help.  >n > Thanks >u > RD >e >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:57:45 -0600g' From: "Russ Dittmer" <russ@dittmer.com>@ Subject: Re: VMS Games problem) Message-ID: <40107259_3@news1.prserv.net>n  = Yes, I set the file type to Binary and then ran the program..tD Would you mind trying this site and see if they work on your system? RD  4 "Jeff" <dirkdiggler@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message) news:bupn7v$mlq$1@titan.btinternet.com...e > Russ,N >t@ > Are you FTP'ing them from the PC to OpenVMS as BINARY images ? > L > This usually works for me, then once they are on my Alpha I simply run the  > .COM you mention as they work. >g
 > Regards, >- > Jeff >1 >64 > "Russ Dittmer" <russ@dittmer.com> wrote in message% > news:40104e82_2@news1.prserv.net... 	 > > hellon* > > I tried to DL the VMS games listed at:1 > > http://www.openvmshobbyist.org/downloads.htmloI > > and when I invoke backup, it says they're not valid backup save-sets.f= > > Can anyone else verify whether they are or are not valid?4H > > I am guessing moving them from the website to my PC, and then ftping them > to, > > my Alpha, somehow they became corrupted.4 > > I have tried to use the DCL command procedure at > >e >eZ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/000tools/reset_backup_saveset_attributes.com > >  and no help.e > > 
 > > Thanks > >p > > RD > >i > >  >r >f   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:13:29 GMTh& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> Subject: Re: VMS Games problem3 Message-ID: <Zy_Pb.12873$lJ5.3173@news.cpqcorp.net>r  4 I downloaded ZK.ZIP using Mozilla, ran UNZIP, used a  ( set file zk.bck/attr=(rfm:fix,lrl:32256)  F to fixup the saveset, and was able to use BACKUP to list the contents.   -- m John Reagane' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leadert Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:51:17 -0500s3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>p Subject: Re: VMS Games problem0 Message-ID: <wvadnUE43IWqB43d4p2dnA@comcast.com>  F BACKUP is probably complaining because the blocksize of the files you E gave it does not match the blocksize with which it was created!  The EG current size is probably 512. and the original could be anything from, X say, 8192 to 32256.g  I There is a program available called, I think, fix_backup, that reads the tA first block of the saveset, retrieves the blocksize and sets the   blocksize for the file.   2 Lacking this, you should be able to do it by hand.   Russ Dittmer wrote:e   >hello' >I tried to DL the VMS games listed at: . >http://www.openvmshobbyist.org/downloads.htmlF >and when I invoke backup, it says they're not valid backup save-sets.: >Can anyone else verify whether they are or are not valid?M >I am guessing moving them from the website to my PC, and then ftping them to-) >my Alpha, somehow they became corrupted.01 >I have tried to use the DCL command procedure atf[ >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/000tools/reset_backup_saveset_attributes.comf > and no help. >  >Thanksp >o >RDa >T >L >  h >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:00:55 -0000s4 From: wspencer@ap.org.nospam.please (Warren Spencer) Subject: Re: VMS global sectionn0 Message-ID: <1010i0njkv8nd02@news.supernews.com>  * jmertens@skynet.be (Jean Mertens) wrote in* <4006edcb$0$281$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>:   D >Is there a way / tool to map from a client PC global sections on an >OpenVms system ? F >Currently my applications uses Decforms and Fortan modules to map andA >edit several global sections that appears to Fortran code like at) >permanent and resident common in memory.sH >Each global section has a file on disk associated that is automatically+ >udated by Vms when ever a field is changedn >in the section. >qI >I need to eliminate Decforms and transfer the functionality to a Pc in ad >kind of client-server way.eF >Would appreciate any help , advise or tools available from the market  >place to perform such function. >eG >I was thinking of building some kind of OPC server on the Vax side anda" >use on the PC an OPC capable toolD >but I've no experience what so ever in OPC nor DCOM, COM or ActiveXI >xhich is now supported on Alpha / OpenVms 7.? (forgot the exact release)m >- >Thanks in advance >I >a  8 One solution I've used is BridgeWorks (free, from HP):    G http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/bridgeworks/bridgeworks_index.html.  J It allows you to wrap your application routines (sans the DECforms stuff) G such that you can call them remotely from a PC - using Visual Basic or c	 Visual C.v  L You may need to re-jigger your application back end a little to provide the K callable application routines that your new client-side software will need .K to do its job, but the large majority of your application code will likely Z survive.  L One of the nicer aspects of this approach is that the global section on the L OpenVMS side will continue to be accessed by local OpenVMS processes, using G the application code you've already developed - thus you won't have to  @ debug any weird pc-remotely-accessing-a-global-section problems.  I You could even 3-tier your application if you would prefer a web browser  J for a client interface - use BridgeWorks to get your middle layer talking G to the OpenVMS box, and serve up web pages to clients from there.  The ,I Bridgeworks documentation describes certain extra steps to take for this a particular architecture.   Hope this helps,   ws  J p.s.  OpenVMS's RPC listener gets poisoned by the Slammer virus (which in J turn breaks Bridgeworks), so you'll need either the OpenVMS RPC patch for / Slammer, or a Slammer-free network environment.n   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2004 19:50:48 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)1 Subject: Re: VMS question regarding SMTP headers.f= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0401221950.481bdd59@posting.google.com>A  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<400E3552.56A6B2D7@istop.com>...tQ > > The POP server sends these message headers (the VMSmail specific ones) to ther  > > POP client unless all of the" > > following conditions are true:F > > ? The TCPIP$POP_IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS logical name is defined (see > > Section 18.3).+ > > ? The From: address is an SMTP address.O4 > > ? The SMTP qualifier /OPTION=TOP_HEADERS is set. > P > Of all the ironies, I start to use my POP server today (for my phone to pickup? > emails) and experienced the same problem as you. defining the M > tcpup$pop_ignore_mail11_headers , shutting down and starting the pop servery > did the trick. > P > Pretty amazing that the mail client on a very small phone knows about mime andJ > attachements, but the one on VMS doesn't even know about RFC822 headers.  @ do you really want it to?  vms mail is unhackable ... be careful what you wish for ...w   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:37:39 -0000r- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)e1 Subject: Re: VMS question regarding SMTP headers.l0 Message-ID: <1010gl328j6bu7f@news.supernews.com>  ' sdyoung@well.com (Steve Young) wrote in 8 <slrnc0rfq2.2fsa.steve@h68-144-59-39.cg.shawcable.net>:   	 >  Hello,  >cE >  I have successfully got SMTP working fine on my VMS box.  However,r
 >  when I I >grab email over POP, there is a blank line between the headers that wereeC >added on the VMS machine, and the headers that were already in the)I >message when it was delivered.  This makes the headers appear as part ofcE >the body to my MUA, which is kind of ugly.  Is there a fix for this?/I >I've looked in the TCP/IP Admin guide on HP's site and couldn't find any2I >direct reference to this.  If it is documented then a hint on where it'sc >at would be much appreciated. > 
 >  Thanks,	 >  Steve.- >e   Steve,  J This won't be much of a help, but it seems JF has already found the right H knobs and dials anyway.  I wrote a SMTP transmission client a couple of K years ago (hence, the vagueness of the following), and as I recall, in the iI RFC's that define the protocol, there is a deliberate note on this extra  F line between the headers and the body of the email.  It seems the RFC H permits both formats (although they are not altogether compatible), for L reasons of supporting legacy systems.  It's up to the you's-and-me's of the F world to tweak our code or installations to accomodate this ambiguity.   ws   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:42:37 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>1 Subject: Re: VMS question regarding SMTP headers. ) Message-ID: <4010A630.3576D050@istop.com>t   Bob Ceculski wrote:iR > > Pretty amazing that the mail client on a very small phone knows about mime andL > > attachements, but the one on VMS doesn't even know about RFC822 headers. > B > do you really want it to?  vms mail is unhackable ... be careful > what you wish for ...n    I Knowing about RFC822 headers is not tantamount to automatically executing) contents of any and all emails.h  M Knowing about MIME doesn't mean that you execute any attachement. But it doeseK mean that you can provide a list of attachements, their mime type, originalo. file name and option to save it as a VMS file.   VMSmail lacks that.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:40:58 GMTf% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> 6 Subject: Re: What is mystery object in VMS screensaver8 Message-ID: <uB1Qb.56141$LW.27244@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>  , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A2C1E6.5B920B53@SendSpamHere.ORG...? > In article <948f0720.0401181720.6cee1945@posting.google.com>,y2 chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran) writes:. > >VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message, news:<00A2BFC4.0C404DF6@SendSpamHere.ORG>...B > >> In article <b096a4ee.0401161101.5c632c58@posting.google.com>,0 spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:G > >> >Two slides after "Alpha ready" in the VMS screen saver slide showsJ > >> >there is a picture of a reddish/yellowish/greenish disk. What is it? > >> >, > >> >(You can get the VMS screen saver from > >> >; > >> >    http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/25th/index.html  > >> > >> I get ... > >>< > >> IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS Alpha image > >rG > >This is because HP, not having heard of OpenVMS Alpha, have built ito > >for Windows instead.e > ; > Sarcasm.  It was meant as a gibe in light of the subject:n >t/ >     What is mystery object in VMS screensaveri/ >                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^r >-6 > If it's a VMS Screensaver, should it not run on VMS? >e  @ Ok, how many of you out there have a graphics card stuck in yourK Alphaservers and use the graphical GUI to manage your system?  I think thatpJ there are more like me that used a VT and now use a Whindoze PeeCee telnetK program to connect to their VMS boxes.  For me, a screensaver running on mylK (production) Alphaservers would just use up unnecessary CPU cycles and haved nothing to output too!  D So, they make screensavers for about everything else.   Why not VMS?   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.044 ************************