0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 26 Jan 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 50      Contents:, Re: BACKUP v. save-set with 512-byte records+ Re: Circumcision study halted due to trauma + Re: Circumcision study halted due to trauma " Re: Devicename for COM1 on Alpha ?, Re: DS10L 617Mhz Blowout Complete for USD795, Re: DS10L 617Mhz Blowout Complete for USD795) Get your FREE M e z e i Autoposter Today! - Re: Get your FREE M e z e i Autoposter Today! , Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS sytem, recommendations?, Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS sytem, recommendations? Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!  Re: JF Mezei Text Generator * Re: Kay resigns: no WMDs since early 1990s Re: M e z e i and WMDs Re: M e z e i and WMDs# Re: M e z e i has been a busy bee !  Re: OpenVMS and Railways; Postal Lottery: Turn $6 into $60,000 in 90 days, GUARANTEED F Re: The State of the Union, Health care and more lies from the Preside7 Re: The State of the Union:  Lies about a Dishonest War 7 Re: The State of the Union:  Lies about a Dishonest War 7 Re: The State of the Union:  Lies about a Dishonest War 6 Re: Trouble installing VMS AXP Hobbyist on a PWS 600au6 Re: Trouble installing VMS AXP Hobbyist on a PWS 600au6 Re: Trouble installing VMS AXP Hobbyist on a PWS 600au6 Re: Trouble installing VMS AXP Hobbyist on a PWS 600au6 Re: Trouble installing VMS AXP Hobbyist on a PWS 600au$ Re: VMS authentication to Windows AD# Re: Where is XML generator for VMS? # Re: Where is XML generator for VMS?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2004 11:22:43 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)5 Subject: Re: BACKUP v. save-set with 512-byte records < Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0401251122.bbc5e1b@posting.google.com>  G sms@antinode.org wrote in message news:<04012315461791@antinode.org>... G > As I was cruising through my Web server log recently, I noticed this:  > 7 > 156.153.255.181 - - [23/Jan/2004:00:27:29 -0600] "GET ( > /dec/sw/fixrec.html HTTP/1.0" 200 38638 > "http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&7 > q=BACKUP-E-BLOCKCRC%2C+software+block+CRC+error&[...]  > ( [... various error messages omitted ...] > I >    Ignoring the annoying use of "data" and "media" with singular verbs, J > there're no clues here leading to the real fix, and it would pretty easyJ > to add some.  It would also be pretty easy to include something like theF > freeware RESET_BACKUP_SAVESET_FILE_ATTRIBUTES.COM, preferably with aG > shorter name, in SYS$EXAMPLES, or SYS$MANAGER, or somewhere reliable.  > A >    The productivity loss on this one problem world-wide must be  > spectacular. > J >    Assuming that BACKUP continues to complain this way, perhaps the HELPE > /MESSAGE advice could be improved in VMS before V9.*?  For example:  > F >   Explanation:  An incorrect value occurred in the record size fieldJ >                 (BRH$W_RSIZE) of a save-set record. Save-set data may beH >                 corrupt, or the block size of a save-set file may haveF >                 been changed, for example, by a binary FTP transfer. > D >   User Action:  None, if the problem is with the physical medium. G >                 Save-set data are lost.  If the problem is an altered J >                 block size on a save-set file, use the command procedureI >                 SYS$MANAGER:RESET_BACKUP_SAVESET_FILE_ATTRIBUTES.COM to 6 >                 repair the save-set file attributes. > J >    Six changes like that should not be too difficult to sneak into an OS > release or even a patch kit. > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 6 >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98185 >    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org  >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547   B Hmmm. Why not rewrite backup to fix the record size all by itself!E (With an appropriate error message, of course. Or perhaps even prompt F the user asking if it should fix it, or add a qualifier to BACKUP that would attempt a repair.)   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2004 20:13:41 -0000 From: So Sad <sad@very.sad> 4 Subject: Re: Circumcision study halted due to trauma7 Message-ID: <7FH2JB3O38011.5928356481@anonymous.poster>   % John Boy <Jonny@microsoft.com> wrote:   = >This site is well worth a read. And from a reputable source.  >  > ; >http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9712/23/circumcision.anesthetic/   6 Uh oh!  M e z e i is not going to be happy about this!  B He wants all those millions of little boys out there to be able toK masturbate freely and joyously without that *pesky* foreskin getting in the  way of their enjoyment.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 03:29:53 GMT . From: "Deep" <deep_mehtaHATESSPAM@hotmail.com>4 Subject: Re: Circumcision study halted due to traumaK Message-ID: <RQ%Qb.24453$iLV.22969@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   J For god's sake, leave your political drivel in the political arena! PeopleL on alt.cellular.fido are here to talk about phone and related info, not yourI personal vendetta against JF Mezei, who ever he is! I download the groups % messages and all I find is this crap!    Deep  ( "So Sad" <sad@very.sad> wrote in message1 news:7FH2JB3O38011.5928356481@anonymous.poster... ' > John Boy <Jonny@microsoft.com> wrote:  > ? > >This site is well worth a read. And from a reputable source.  > >  > > = > >http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9712/23/circumcision.anesthetic/  > 8 > Uh oh!  M e z e i is not going to be happy about this! > D > He wants all those millions of little boys out there to be able toI > masturbate freely and joyously without that *pesky* foreskin getting in  the  > way of their enjoyment.  >    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jan 2004 06:44:25 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>+ Subject: Re: Devicename for COM1 on Alpha ? 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-nmqWeYb6dvGE@localhost>   / On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:43:13 UTC, "Hans Vlems"   <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote:    > C > "Manfred Grafinger" <m.grafinger@tuwien.ac.at> schreef in bericht . > news:4012a43a.446915039@news.tuwien.ac.at... > > Hello VMS-Gurus. > > I > > I have changed the VAX-station, where our plotter was connected to an G > > Alpha. Now i cannot identify the devicename of the COM1. On the Vax H > > the plotter was connected at the serial port device tta0: but on theH > > alpha tta0: goes to nirwana, also ttb0: and i have not any other tt* > > devices in show device.  > > G > > Somebody out there knows the device name of the COM1 on Alpha-VMS ?  > >  > > Much thanks, Manfred > >  > J > It very much depends on what model you're actually using. If SHOW DEVICEI > shows TTA0: and TTB0: then it's one of these. The cable you use between L > Alpha and plotter may also be at fault. The DB9 lay-out is not the same asG > on a microVAX II IIRC. A BCC08 cable usually won't work for instance.   F Strangely enough, I was going to ask the same question as Manfred, for exactly the same reason.  F I assume the COM ports are wired to IBM-PC standard. I must dig out an Alphastion 2xx/4 booklet.   : Does the same principal apply to server boxes, e.g. DS20'?   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:44:31 -0500 % From: "DAVID TURNER" <DAVID@HPAQ.NET> 5 Subject: Re: DS10L 617Mhz Blowout Complete for USD795 0 Message-ID: <1018hmk6p65hj22@news.supernews.com>  J Well,when updating the f/w etc or a test load, we just plug in any old IDE cdrom - load the OS then unplug I or you can use the open pci slot to install a scsi card and have external  disk and cdrom   dt   --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 201 0402 , Email (SPAMproofed) dbturner@islandco.nospam (replace nospam with .com)    K "Michael Austin" <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> wrote in message 6 news:%RSQb.10242$m14.916@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com... > DAVID TURNER wrote:  > 8 > > COMP.OS.VMS SPECIAL >>>Complete system for only $795 > > - > > Alphaserver DS10L 617Mhz EV67 w/2mb cache   > > 256MB Compaq original Memory# > > 30GB Hard disk (VMS compatible)  > > Dual 10/100 Ethernet$ > > Dual Serial Ports (COM1 Console) > > Parallel Port/Printer Port
 > > USB Ports  > > 1 Open PCI Slot  > > NO CD or Floppy A > > Set up ready to install VMS and latest firmware 6.6 installed  > > Only $795 + Shipping !!! > > . > > Shipping charges as follows: (approximate) > >  > > USA: $35 by Ground) > > Canada: $68 by Economy air (3-5 days)  > > Europe: $90 # > > Australasia (large cities) $130 4 > > We do not ship to Africa (except S. Africa $150) > >  > > Warranty: 12 months = > > Payment: Visa/Mastercard or Cheque/Money order in advance  > > We accept PO's also !!!! > < > and how would one go about installing VMS without the CD?? > C > I used one of these boxes for more than 3 years as a ConsoleWorks F > <http://www.tditx.com/> server for almost 200 servers and HSGS.  CPUH > never pegged above 20% and only a single 30Gb IDE drive.  Alas, it hasF > succumed to fatigue and a faulty PDU's surge and it has passed on...J > (including the HDD -fried to a crisp).  Because it is not under warrantyH > or contract, we replaced it with a DS20E cluster and 72GB worth of SAND > storage.  If we actually needed a DS10L, we would have a hard timeJ > justifying the repair on a PER-CALL rate.. it would be less expensive toG > just buy another one.  But for our shop, we just don't need/can't use  > anything that small. > K > remember, this box only has 1 PCI slot, so choose wisely how to use it...  >  > Michael Austin >    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2004 16:35:41 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: DS10L 617Mhz Blowout Complete for USD795 3 Message-ID: <bp04kCkUzFKU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   } In article <%RSQb.10242$m14.916@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com> writes:   < > and how would one go about installing VMS without the CD??  % Personally I would use an Infoserver.    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2004 20:48:54 -0000$ From: Get It Today <itsfree@act.now>2 Subject: Get your FREE M e z e i Autoposter Today!7 Message-ID: <F132ECLZ38011.6172916667@anonymous.poster>   F Yes Sir!  Yes Maam!  You too can now make your very own quick and easyH Do It Yourself At Home JF M e z e i Usenet Message Generator/Autoposter!M Just feed the following words and phrases, culled from thousands of M e z e i J troll postings in rec.travel.air,  into any simple text randomizer and the output= will look like a genuine 100% bona fide JF M e z e i message:   	 nop [sic]  foreskin Bush regime  USA police state oil revenus [sic]  Cheney Rumsfeld	 Wolfowitz  axis of evil
 cars are evil 
 bicycles rule  smegma what is really at stake here what you must understand
 no WMDs found  UN War Crime Trinunal US evil empire fabricating evidence UK loyal lapdog  Americans obese 
 fat sweaty$ masturbate/masturbation/masturbating" healthy men do it five times a day" Cubans have higher life expectancy Saddam Hussein US invasion of Iraq % American idiots will believe anything  US brainwash it's people US invaders  What americans aren't told$ Nonstop New York to Tokyo via Dallas Don't call me Shirley   K With this M e z e i Message Generator anyone can enjoy endless hours of fun ? trolling usenet like JF M e z e i.  Great for the whole family!    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:11:28 GMT G From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregoryTHEBESTOFEVERYTHINGmorrow@earthlink.net> 6 Subject: Re: Get your FREE M e z e i Autoposter Today!C Message-ID: <A2YQb.24804$i4.11222@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>    Get It Today wrote:   H > Yes Sir!  Yes Maam!  You too can now make your very own quick and easyJ > Do It Yourself At Home JF M e z e i Usenet Message Generator/Autoposter!K > Just feed the following words and phrases, culled from thousands of M e z  e i L > troll postings in rec.travel.air,  into any simple text randomizer and the > output? > will look like a genuine 100% bona fide JF M e z e i message:  >  > nop [sic] 
 > foreskin
 > Bush regime  > USA police state > oil revenus [sic]  > Cheney
 > Rumsfeld > Wolfowitz  > axis of evil > cars are evil  > bicycles rule  > smegma > what is really at stake here > what you must understand > no WMDs found  > UN > War Crime Trinunal > US evil empire > fabricating evidence > UK loyal lapdog  > Americans obese  > fat sweaty& > masturbate/masturbation/masturbating$ > healthy men do it five times a day$ > Cubans have higher life expectancy > Saddam Hussein > US invasion of Iraq ' > American idiots will believe anything  > US brainwash it's people
 > US invaders  > What americans aren't told& > Nonstop New York to Tokyo via Dallas > Don't call me Shirley  > I > With this M e z e i Message Generator anyone can enjoy endless hours of  fun A > trolling usenet like JF M e z e i.  Great for the whole family!  >      And don't forget:    Dorval Canadian Pacific What is a Constellation? All Americans watch CNN  Max Ward Transfer in Honolulu May I call you Ellen?  Cry # My cycling trip through the outback  Lubrication    --   Best Greg lol....   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2004 12:09:04 -0800( From: banditstan2000@yahoo.co.uk (Garry)5 Subject: Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS sytem, recommendations? = Message-ID: <b5652016.0401251209.5c922f4e@posting.google.com>   r peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<66NQb.291932$Tz1.147179@news.chello.at>...] > In article <1016dva1mggtd73@corp.supernews.com>, Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com> writes: F > >Although they are going to discontinue developing the Alpha, HP is J > >probably going to support it for several years. For a hobbyist system, F > >you can pickup an Alpha pretty cheap (an XP1000 or a DS10 perhaps). >   E I've given thought to getting an Alpha, maybe I should give more... I A just thought that if I could get an IA64 for the right price i.e. E $1000 or less, I may as well go for it. I'm not interested in running B any commercial software, but I am interested in writing/porting onF OpenVMS, so I suppose I may need access to both Alpha and IA64 even if I actually own one of them.    Thanks for the tips.   Garry    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:17:34 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)5 Subject: Re: Hobbyist OpenVMS sytem, recommendations? 4 Message-ID: <i8YQb.306650$Tz1.114259@news.chello.at>  h In article <b5652016.0401251209.5c922f4e@posting.google.com>, banditstan2000@yahoo.co.uk (Garry) writes:^ >> In article <1016dva1mggtd73@corp.supernews.com>, Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com> writes:G >> >Although they are going to discontinue developing the Alpha, HP is  K >> >probably going to support it for several years. For a hobbyist system,  G >> >you can pickup an Alpha pretty cheap (an XP1000 or a DS10 perhaps).  > F >I've given thought to getting an Alpha, maybe I should give more... IB >just thought that if I could get an IA64 for the right price i.e.F >$1000 or less, I may as well go for it. I'm not interested in runningC >any commercial software, but I am interested in writing/porting on G >OpenVMS, so I suppose I may need access to both Alpha and IA64 even if  >I actually own one of them.  > IA64 for less than $1000 ? No way. Maybe in a couple of years.> But a new hp rx2600 can be had for a couple of thousand bucks.T http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/integrity-ready.html  G If you only want to use it for porting S/W, an EV4 Alpha is sufficient. H A build will take way longer, but it is usable. For JAVA, ... it is not.   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:03:39 -0600 ( From: Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net>( Subject: Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!2 Message-ID: <QCudnUke9vLVHYndXTWc-g@speakeasy.net>   David J. Dachtera wrote:H > Imagine my glee when I went to the P.O. box yesterday and found the hpJ > propaganda for hpWorld-2004 indicating it was right here in Chicago this > year! 16- thru 20-Aug-2004.  > G Does it say specifically where?  I hate travelling into chi-pit proper   if it can be avoided...    Rich   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 05:04:48 GMT % From: "Steve" <ihatespam@noemail.com> $ Subject: Re: JF Mezei Text GeneratorK Message-ID: <Qd1Rb.26410$iLV.25630@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    lol...Shirley?   --   Steve     G Don't you wish there were a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence? 5 There's one marked 'Brightness,' but it doesn't work.   	 Gallagher   ? "Mezei Message Generator" <mezeiis@atroll.com> wrote in message 1 news:26IRSA0D38007.9190972222@anonymous.poster... 8 > Dean's Meltdown <crazydean@toastedcampaign.com> wrote: >  > > ) > >http://www.buttafly.com/bush/index.php  > H > It's actually easier than that.  You can generate your own quick Do ItC > Yourself At Home JF Mezei Usenet Message Generator by feeding the 	 following L > words and phrases into any simple text randomizer and the output will look1 > like a genuine 100% bona fide JF Mezei message:  >  > nop [sic] 
 > Bush regime  > USA police state > oil revenus [sic]  > Cheney
 > Rumsfeld > Wolfowitz  > axis of evil > cars are evil  > what is really at stake here > what you must understand > no WMDs found  > UN > War Crime Trinunal > US evil empire > fabricating evidence > UK loyal lapdog  > Americans obese  > fat sweaty& > masturbate/masturbation/masturbating$ > healthy men do it five times a day$ > Cubans have higher life expectancy > Saddam Hussein > US invasion of Iraq ' > American idiots will believe anything  > US brainwash it's people
 > US invaders  > What americans aren't told& > Nonstop New York to Tokyo via Dallas	 > Shirley  > I > With this Mezei Message Generator anyone can enjoy endless hours of fun = > trolling usenet like JF Mezei.  Great for the whole family!  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:23:12 GMT " From: mnc@admin.u.nu (Miguel Cruz)3 Subject: Re: Kay resigns: no WMDs since early 1990s 6 Message-ID: <4tWQb.9862$QY5.5783@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>  0 Kenny McCormack <gazelle@interaccess.com> wrote:C > I don't doubt this, but let me ask the bigger question to all you L > conspiracy buffs out there.  How likely do you think it is that these guysE > that they find ("Saddam" & "bin Laden") are fakes?  I mean, we (the L > American public) certainly have no way of knowing if they didn't just findJ > these guys at Central Casting.  I doubt anybody has any real way to know > for sure.   L The government would be exposed to extreme ridicule if the real Saddam/Osama subsequently revealed himself.   miguel --  D Hundreds of travel photos from around the world: http://travel.u.nu/   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2004 19:24:01 -0000( From: Interesting <very@interesting.hmm> Subject: Re: M e z e i and WMDs 7 Message-ID: <YR2XD4FV38011.5583449074@anonymous.poster>   / JF M e z e i < j f m e z e i @istop.com> wrote:    >"Charlie C." wrote:J >> You are also assuming the administration knew there were no weapons but: >> decided to say there were anyways to justify the war.   > F >This assumption is being proven right. Remember that a senior britishF >intelligence guy lost his life after having revealed that the britishH >government knew that the evidence was not current and that there was no5 >immediate threath, no active nuclear programmes etc.  > O >Furthermore, the Bush regime had been told by its allies that the evidence was J >not conclusive. That should have rung some alarm bells at the most seniorO >levels of the White House. Bush should have questioned Rumsfeld "all the world L >leaders tell me that your evidence isn't worth the paper it ios printed on,L >explain yourself". But no, Bush continued to make his speeches with blatantO >lies and exagerations designed to paint Iraq has having nuclear reactors ready 7 >to shoot intercontinentalmissiles aimed at Washington.  >  >> If I recallK >> correctly the previous administration believed the weapons were there as   >> did the Russians and Germans. > M >During the Reagan era, they USA had proof that Iraq had such weapons because L >the USA shipped them to Iraq and helped Iraq build the plants to make more.F >They also know that Iraq had deployed such weapons in Iran as well as >againsts Kurds. > O >After the invasion of Kuwait, the UN inspectors knew that there were WMDs left F >and had made an inventory of such. And they proceeded to verify theirI >destruction. Just because Hussein didn't comply 100% and refused to give O >inspector the right to visit certain palaces doesn't logically mean that those 9 >palaces have WMDs. It only means that you cannot verify.  > M >But the UN had verified and audited the destrouction of the vast majority of K >the WMD and facilities designed to produced WMDs. A fact that the Bush and M >Bliar regimes conveniently omitted from theoir speeches designed to make the N >UN look like a bunch of incompetent fools. You couldn't justify invading IraqN >if you know that the vast majority of its weapons had been destroyed and whatL >was left was quite minimal, especially since at the end, Hussein had openedJ >all the doors to allow inspections of the remaining 1% that they couldn't >inspect before. > M >Yes, Hussein played games with the UN and the USA. But one must separate the N >political games from the logical auditing process. Facts showed that Iraq hadK >almost fully complied with the UN resolutions prior to 1998. UN had a good K >idea of what was left to be audited. They didn't have evidence that it was G >still there, they just lacked the evidence that it had been destroyed.  >  > K >Compare this to the USA which has admitted to having WMDs (tons of them) , K >still has and still deployes banned landmines, has invaded another country O >without UN approval. Its invasion of Iraq is just as lawful as Iraq's invasion  >of Kuwait.  > L >Logically, the USA deserves the exact same treatment that Iraq got: seriousM >trade sanctions against the USA until the USA allows UN inspectors to search O >the whole country, including white house, all CIA/NSA facilities, all military = >facilities etc until all WMDs are inventoried and destroyed.  > L >The USA has misused its powers and needs to be punished. The precedent theyG >have set must not be allowed to happen again, especially when you have I >emerging powers such as China who will use the USA invasion of Iraq as a H >justification to invade whatever territory they find to be a "threath". > L >And you should note that Taiwan is far more of a threath to China than IraqN >was to the USA. Taiwan actually has missiles, canons etc aimed at China. LetsL >not forget that China has "acquired" land in the past. Tibet comes to mind.1 >Should China be allowed to acquire North Korea ?  > O >If the UN doesn't put a stop to this "pre-emptive attack" philosophy, it would  >be terrible for world peace.  > L >And if you want examples of why such invasions are always bad news, look atK >Russian invasion of Afghanistan (which the SU had claimed was a threath to M >itself), the problems Russia has with Chechnya, the territorial dispute over L >Kashmir between India and Pakistan which has lead the two  countries to aimI >nuclear missiles at each other. Note that americans weren't welcome with 1 >flowers in Iraq, has Rumsfeld had promised Bush.  > N >The USA was very ill advised to act with the same lack of forethought and set >a very dangerous precedent. > , >>  Clearly there was a MAJOR failure in theK >> world's intelligence services and that certainly needs to be looked into  > L >There was no failure in the world's intelligence. The USA's allies all knewO >that there was no evidence and that the so called USA evidence was meaningless M >or falsified. Bu the USA media chose not to show that to the american public 2 >in order to remain "patriotic" to the government. > L >The news is not that there are no WMDs in Iraq. The news is that the USA is4 >finally starting to wake up and seeing the reality. > N >What has happened is like a drunken friend disregarding his friends trying toN >prevent him from driving home. And while driving home, he has an accident. HeM >in now in the hospital. Eventually, he will go to the friends he insulted so < >much and apoligise and say "I should have listened to you". > N >However, egos are so strong in the USA that it will be very difficult for the >USA to admit tyo all this.  > F >Karl Rove probably has 2 strategies prepared: a face-saving exit fromL >politics, leaving the next government to explain the mistakes while Bush JrM >and Cheney are back to obscure private civilian jobs at Haliburton & Co. OR, N >get Bush Jr re-elected and then let the uproar over the lies fade away duringO >the 4 year mandate. Since there are so many in the Bush regime who particiated K >in the lies, ousting Bush Jr would only put a worse offender (Cheney) into O >office. So unless you can oust the whole government, once they are re-elected, ! >they get to stay in for 4 years.  > M >So far, many nations have decided to remain neutral and not make a big fuss, M >hoping Bush will be thrown out, allowing normal relations to restart. But if N >Bush Jr is re-elected, I suspect that many nations will become more agressiveK >against the USA to prevent the USA's policies of shit-disturbing the world 
 >to continue.  > E >Note that it was France and Germany as well as Baradei who began the M >negotiations with Iran over nuclear inspections. Bliar joined at the request M >of Bush as a "spy" to let Bush Jr know what was going on. And they succeeded $ >in getting Iraq to agree to comply. > N >If Bush Jr is re-elected, I expect some countries to strike a deal with NorthO >Korea with the USA left out of the loop. The USA is not interested in striking N >a deal with North Korea, in fact, Cheney/Rumsfeld cancelled the deal that hadK >been reached just so that they could use the speeches they had prepared in  >1998 about the axis of evil.  > C >If Bush Jr is re-elected, I could see a situation where the USA is L >diplomatically isolated and Europe and China becoming far more succesful in' >solving world problems through the UN.  > H >There has already been one such occurance. Where there were problems inO >Liberia, the USA was promising to go in to solve problems and prevented the UN H >from going in. But when the USA left its ships near Liberia iddle whileJ >carnage was going on, Koffi Anan found a way to redeploy resources/assetsK >already operating in nearby countrues under different resolutions and this 0 >allowed the UN to go in despite USA opposition. > K >> to" its citizens.  Also, the administration listed several reasons to go A >> to war, it's just that the WMD reason was the most scrutinized  > I >Revisionist history. WMD was the ONLY reason. Remember that Bush Jr kept O >insisting that they were going in to enforce UN resolutions on WMDs. (i.e. tey N >convicned americans that existing UN resolutions on WMD gave the USA right to" >invade). It was only about WMDs.  > O >You were lied to. Don't protect your government, impeach them and send them to L >jail for what amounts to a large state-sponsored terrorist act whcih killedJ >ten thousand irakia and destroyed Iraq's government , police, telecom etc >infrastrustrure.  > : >the 9-11 terrorists only destroyed a couple of buildings. > B >> War).  They also know that he was in violation of his surrender >> agreements after GWI.   > M >Nop. The problem is that there was no proof that he had not complied (or had N >complied) with the resolutions.  And since the resolutions were done with theM >UN, it was a UN responsability to complete the work to decide if Iraq had or M >had not complied. And that process was working, which is why the USA did not = >get UN approval for an unwarranted destruction of a country.  > O >And if you are a taxopayer, you should sue your government for having misspent J >so many billions of your tax dollars on an unwarranted military operationJ >based on lies your government purposefully spread to the american public. > L >Had the USA allowed the UN inspectors to complete their work, it would haveL >costed US taxpayers a whole lot less work and resulted in a far more stableO >middle east with far5 fewer arabs mad as hell at an imerialistic USA trying to 7 >dictate what another country's consttitution was like.  > O >Hell, they even spoke of imposing the USA "caucus" system for voting in Iraq.  9 >Russia could teach the USA a few things about democracy.   J Interesting.  You seem to have an *awful* lot of time to write about these	 things...    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:30:36 GMT G From: "Gregory Morrow" <gregoryTHEBESTOFEVERYTHINGmorrow@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: M e z e i and WMDs B Message-ID: <wkYQb.24816$i4.4732@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>   Interesting wrote:  1 > JF M e z e i < j f m e z e i @istop.com> wrote:  >  > >"Charlie C." wrote:L > >> You are also assuming the administration knew there were no weapons but: > >> decided to say there were anyways to justify the war. > > H > >This assumption is being proven right. Remember that a senior britishH > >intelligence guy lost his life after having revealed that the britishJ > >government knew that the evidence was not current and that there was no7 > >immediate threath, no active nuclear programmes etc.  > > D > >Furthermore, the Bush regime had been told by its allies that the evidence wasL > >not conclusive. That should have rung some alarm bells at the most seniorK > >levels of the White House. Bush should have questioned Rumsfeld "all the  world J > >leaders tell me that your evidence isn't worth the paper it ios printed on, F > >explain yourself". But no, Bush continued to make his speeches with blatant K > >lies and exagerations designed to paint Iraq has having nuclear reactors  ready 9 > >to shoot intercontinentalmissiles aimed at Washington.  > >  > >> If I recallJ > >> correctly the previous administration believed the weapons were there as" > >> did the Russians and Germans. > > G > >During the Reagan era, they USA had proof that Iraq had such weapons  because H > >the USA shipped them to Iraq and helped Iraq build the plants to make more. H > >They also know that Iraq had deployed such weapons in Iran as well as > >againsts Kurds. > > L > >After the invasion of Kuwait, the UN inspectors knew that there were WMDs leftH > >and had made an inventory of such. And they proceeded to verify theirK > >destruction. Just because Hussein didn't comply 100% and refused to give K > >inspector the right to visit certain palaces doesn't logically mean that  those ; > >palaces have WMDs. It only means that you cannot verify.  > > L > >But the UN had verified and audited the destrouction of the vast majority ofI > >the WMD and facilities designed to produced WMDs. A fact that the Bush  and K > >Bliar regimes conveniently omitted from theoir speeches designed to make  the K > >UN look like a bunch of incompetent fools. You couldn't justify invading  IraqK > >if you know that the vast majority of its weapons had been destroyed and  whatG > >was left was quite minimal, especially since at the end, Hussein had  openedL > >all the doors to allow inspections of the remaining 1% that they couldn't > >inspect before. > > K > >Yes, Hussein played games with the UN and the USA. But one must separate  the L > >political games from the logical auditing process. Facts showed that Iraq had H > >almost fully complied with the UN resolutions prior to 1998. UN had a goodI > >idea of what was left to be audited. They didn't have evidence that it  was I > >still there, they just lacked the evidence that it had been destroyed.  > >  > > K > >Compare this to the USA which has admitted to having WMDs (tons of them)  , E > >still has and still deployes banned landmines, has invaded another  country H > >without UN approval. Its invasion of Iraq is just as lawful as Iraq's invasion
 > >of Kuwait.  > > F > >Logically, the USA deserves the exact same treatment that Iraq got: serious H > >trade sanctions against the USA until the USA allows UN inspectors to searchH > >the whole country, including white house, all CIA/NSA facilities, all military? > >facilities etc until all WMDs are inventoried and destroyed.i > >iI > >The USA has misused its powers and needs to be punished. The precedentS theyI > >have set must not be allowed to happen again, especially when you have7K > >emerging powers such as China who will use the USA invasion of Iraq as auJ > >justification to invade whatever territory they find to be a "threath". > >VI > >And you should note that Taiwan is far more of a threath to China thanT IraqK > >was to the USA. Taiwan actually has missiles, canons etc aimed at China.  LetsH > >not forget that China has "acquired" land in the past. Tibet comes to mind. 3 > >Should China be allowed to acquire North Korea ?A > > K > >If the UN doesn't put a stop to this "pre-emptive attack" philosophy, it  wouldt > >be terrible for world peace.h > > K > >And if you want examples of why such invasions are always bad news, look  atJ > >Russian invasion of Afghanistan (which the SU had claimed was a threath toJ > >itself), the problems Russia has with Chechnya, the territorial dispute overJ > >Kashmir between India and Pakistan which has lead the two  countries to aimyK > >nuclear missiles at each other. Note that americans weren't welcome withe3 > >flowers in Iraq, has Rumsfeld had promised Bush.g > >tL > >The USA was very ill advised to act with the same lack of forethought and set- > >a very dangerous precedent. > >-. > >>  Clearly there was a MAJOR failure in theH > >> world's intelligence services and that certainly needs to be looked into > > I > >There was no failure in the world's intelligence. The USA's allies allm knewE > >that there was no evidence and that the so called USA evidence wasI meaningless H > >or falsified. Bu the USA media chose not to show that to the american public4 > >in order to remain "patriotic" to the government. > >PK > >The news is not that there are no WMDs in Iraq. The news is that the USA= is6 > >finally starting to wake up and seeing the reality. > >rF > >What has happened is like a drunken friend disregarding his friends	 trying to"C > >prevent him from driving home. And while driving home, he has an  accident. HeL > >in now in the hospital. Eventually, he will go to the friends he insulted so> > >much and apoligise and say "I should have listened to you". > >pL > >However, egos are so strong in the USA that it will be very difficult for thei > >USA to admit tyo all this.t > >sH > >Karl Rove probably has 2 strategies prepared: a face-saving exit fromK > >politics, leaving the next government to explain the mistakes while Bushv JrK > >and Cheney are back to obscure private civilian jobs at Haliburton & Co.n OR,rI > >get Bush Jr re-elected and then let the uproar over the lies fade awayE duringE > >the 4 year mandate. Since there are so many in the Bush regime who  particiated H > >in the lies, ousting Bush Jr would only put a worse offender (Cheney) intoE > >office. So unless you can oust the whole government, once they aree re-elected,i# > >they get to stay in for 4 years.  > >oI > >So far, many nations have decided to remain neutral and not make a bigs fuss,,L > >hoping Bush will be thrown out, allowing normal relations to restart. But ifF > >Bush Jr is re-elected, I suspect that many nations will become more	 agressive G > >against the USA to prevent the USA's policies of shit-disturbing the  worlds > >to continue.  > > G > >Note that it was France and Germany as well as Baradei who began the-G > >negotiations with Iran over nuclear inspections. Bliar joined at the2 requestrE > >of Bush as a "spy" to let Bush Jr know what was going on. And they 	 succeeded & > >in getting Iraq to agree to comply. > > J > >If Bush Jr is re-elected, I expect some countries to strike a deal with North H > >Korea with the USA left out of the loop. The USA is not interested in strikingL > >a deal with North Korea, in fact, Cheney/Rumsfeld cancelled the deal that had-J > >been reached just so that they could use the speeches they had prepared in > >1998 about the axis of evil.  > >aE > >If Bush Jr is re-elected, I could see a situation where the USA is<K > >diplomatically isolated and Europe and China becoming far more succesfule in) > >solving world problems through the UN.E > >9J > >There has already been one such occurance. Where there were problems inJ > >Liberia, the USA was promising to go in to solve problems and prevented the UNJ > >from going in. But when the USA left its ships near Liberia iddle whileL > >carnage was going on, Koffi Anan found a way to redeploy resources/assetsH > >already operating in nearby countrues under different resolutions and this2 > >allowed the UN to go in despite USA opposition. > >DJ > >> to" its citizens.  Also, the administration listed several reasons to goC > >> to war, it's just that the WMD reason was the most scrutinizeda > >lK > >Revisionist history. WMD was the ONLY reason. Remember that Bush Jr keptvG > >insisting that they were going in to enforce UN resolutions on WMDs.s	 (i.e. teyfG > >convicned americans that existing UN resolutions on WMD gave the USAe right to# > >invade). It was only about WMDs.  > >oI > >You were lied to. Don't protect your government, impeach them and send. them to G > >jail for what amounts to a large state-sponsored terrorist act whcihr killedL > >ten thousand irakia and destroyed Iraq's government , police, telecom etc > >infrastrustrure.o > >l< > >the 9-11 terrorists only destroyed a couple of buildings. > >nD > >> War).  They also know that he was in violation of his surrender > >> agreements after GWI. > >-K > >Nop. The problem is that there was no proof that he had not complied (orl hadwL > >complied) with the resolutions.  And since the resolutions were done with theDL > >UN, it was a UN responsability to complete the work to decide if Iraq had orK > >had not complied. And that process was working, which is why the USA didg notg? > >get UN approval for an unwarranted destruction of a country.e > >wH > >And if you are a taxopayer, you should sue your government for having misspentL > >so many billions of your tax dollars on an unwarranted military operationL > >based on lies your government purposefully spread to the american public. > >cI > >Had the USA allowed the UN inspectors to complete their work, it wouldn haveG > >costed US taxpayers a whole lot less work and resulted in a far moreo stableG > >middle east with far5 fewer arabs mad as hell at an imerialistic USA 	 trying tot9 > >dictate what another country's consttitution was like.S > >EJ > >Hell, they even spoke of imposing the USA "caucus" system for voting in Iraq. ; > >Russia could teach the USA a few things about democracy.t >eL > Interesting.  You seem to have an *awful* lot of time to write about these > things...g    D I love the mis - spelled words: "threath", "imerialistic", "costed",G "consttitution", "wchich", "covninced", "succesful", OH!, and of courseI "nop"...   I liked this too:x  F > >What has happened is like a drunken friend disregarding his friends	 trying tohC > >prevent him from driving home. And while driving home, he has an0 accident. HeL > >in now in the hospital. Eventually, he will go to the friends he insulted so> > >much and apoligise and say "I should have listened to you". > >     J Remember when CP was absorbed into Air Canada and JF made the analogy thatI it was akin to a man being forced to watch his former wife making love to J her new husband...???  He told us he had to "spill his nuts" to us here on rta re: that major tragedy!u   --   Best Greg lol....   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2004 19:48:34 -0000' From: Busy Bee Keeper <keeper@busy.bee>), Subject: Re: M e z e i has been a busy bee !7 Message-ID: <2U0OX9WC38011.5753935185@anonymous.poster>4  2 J F  M e z e i  < j f m e z e i @istop.com> wrote:   >Just got an email from ISTOP. >C+ >Looks like Ralph has been a very busy bee.s  ? LOL ... looks like he's not the only one who's been a busy bee:o   http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_ugroup=rec.travel.air&as_uauthors=nobody@nobody.com&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en    or   http://tinyurl.com/224sk   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2004 14:40:30 -0800. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)! Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Railwaysr= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0401251440.7a8ce600@posting.google.com>o  u "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<9ITQb.143725$7JB1.34524@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...a > Main, Kerry wrote: > >> -----Original Message-----s: > >> From: Fabio Cardoso [mailto:fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br]# > >> Sent: January 24, 2004 5:19 PM  > >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com& > >> Subject: OT: OpenVMS and Railways > >>H > >> Is there any Railway in the US using OpenVMS as control software  ? > >> > >> Like Amtrak etc ? > >>A > >> I am asking because the my Country will make new investmentssA > >> in Railways calculated about US$ 2 billion dolars ! May be I # > >> can work in any project here !r > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> FC  > >n
 > > Fabio, > >,H > > Not in the US, but OpenVMS has very mission critical role With India	 > > Rail.y > >e > > Reference:C > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/indiarr/indiarr.pdf 8 > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/indiarr/H > > "Consider the scope of the operation. Indian Railways is the world'sE > > second-largest railway, with 6,853 stations, 63,028 kilometers of.I > > track, 37,840 passenger coaches and 222,147 freight cars. Annually itJI > > carries some 4.83 billion passengers and 492 million tons of freight"j >  > I > Is that information (ie. VMS still running the railroad) current?  ThatrM > story has been kicking around for a loooong time, and things do happen overcJ > time.....(from millions of VMS licenses to 411,000 to 400,000 to ......) > A > So maybe India Rail wants to license their software to Brazil ?y    / Our President is in India today ! Maybe ... :-)-   Regards    Fc   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 06:08:21 GMT:$ From: "Kate" <nafltstx@mafksrsv.com>D Subject: Postal Lottery: Turn $6 into $60,000 in 90 days, GUARANTEEDJ Message-ID: <p92Rb.169072$7JB1.85663@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  A       Postal Lottery: Turn $6 into $60,000 in 90 days, GUARANTEEDt  B I found this in a news group and decided to try it. A little whileB back, I was browsing through newsgroups, just like you are now and= came across a message just like this that said you could makeFD thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00!!!  F So I thought yeah right, this must be a scam!!! But like most of us, IF was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 toA each of the 6 names and addresses stated in the message. You then C place your own name and address at the bottom of the list at #6 and E post the message in at least 200 news groups. (There are thousands toy$ choose from). No catch, that was it.  ? So after thinking it over, and talking to a few people first. IaD thought about trying it. I figured, what have I got to lose except 6F stamps and $6.00, right? So I invested the measly $6.00!!! Guess what?E Within 7 days I started getting money in the mail!!! I was shocked!!! D I figured it would end soon, but the money just kept coming in!!! InF my first week, I had made about $25.00. By the end of the second week,E I had made a total of over $1,000.00!!! In the third week, I had overnF $10,000.00 and it is still growing!!! This is now my fourth week and IC have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and it is still coming inTB rapidly!!! It's certainly worth $6.00 and 6 stamps!!! I have spent  more than that on the lottery!!!  D Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, why it works!!!  D Also, make sure you print a copy of this message now. So you can getC the information off of it as you need it. I promise you that if youzD follow the directions exactly, that you will start making more money7 than you thought possible by doing something so easy!!!g  B Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully!!! (Print it out orC download it.) Follow the simple directions and watch the money comemD in!!! It's easy!!! It's legal!!! Your investment is only $6.00 (plus	 postage).   @ IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off!!! It is not illegal!!! ? It is> almost entirely risk free and it really works!!! If all of theE following instructions are adhered to, you will receive extraordinary  dividends!!!  D Please note: Follow these directions EXACTLY, and $60,000.00 or more@ can be yours in 20 to 90 days!!! This program remains successfulF because of the honesty and the integrity of the participants!!! Please? continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions.e  E You will now become part of the mail order business. In this businesseF your product is not solid or tangible, it is a service. You are in theA business of developing mailing lists. Many large corporations aremF happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the money made fromC a mailing list is secondary to the income which is made from people = like you and me asking to be included on your mailing list!!!5  & Here are the 4 easy steps to success:-  B Step 1:- Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each piece of paper.  " PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST  E Now get 6 U.S. dollar bills and place ONE inside each of the 6 piecesi@ of paper so the bills will not be seen through the envelopes (toE prevent mail theft). Next, place one paper in each of the 6 envelopesiB and seal them, you should now have 6 sealed envelopes. Each with aE piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and address, and a. $1.00 bill.s  C THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL!!! YOU ARE REQUESTING A LEGITIMATE SERVICE0 AND YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT!!!  D Like most of us, I was a little skeptical and a little worried aboutD the legal aspect of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Postal5 Service and they confirmed that it is indeed legal!!!   1 Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses:-t     D. Kumar Room 2.36 Burkhardt Housea Oxford Place, Victoria Parkn M14 5RR Manchester ENGLANDn   T. Perce 11505 Headley Avenue Cleveland, Oh 44111-  
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 S. Guitard 55 Erskine Ave #1202 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4P-1Y7    C Step 2:- Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move1E the other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc.) and add your namei as number 6 on the list.  E Step 3:- Change anything you need to, but try to keep this message astD close to what you see as possible. Now, post your amended message toE at least 200 news groups. I think there are close to 24,000 groups!!! D All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more moneyF you make!!! This is perfectly legal!! If you have any doubts, refer toC Title18 Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the postal lottery laws. Keep a copy ofcD these steps for yourself and whenever you need money, you can use it again.  C Please remember that this program remains successful because of the D honesty and the integrity of the participants and by their carefully adhering to the directions!!!0  > Look at it this way. If you are of integrity, the program willB continue and the money that so many others have received will come your way!!!a  B Note: - You may want to retain every name and address sent to you,C either on your computer or hard copy and keep the notes people send C you. This verifies that you are truly providing a service. Also, it E might be a good Idea to wrap the $1 bills in dark paper to reduce theo risk of mail theft.r  E So, as each post is downloaded and the directions carefully followed,3@ six members will be reimbursed for their participation as a list? developer with one dollar each. Your name will move up the listpF geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1 position, you willD be receiving thousands of dollars in cash!!! What an opportunity forD only $6.00!!! ($1.00 for each of the first six people listed above).  B Send it now, add your own name to the list and your in business!!!    - DIRECTIONS FOR HOW TO POST TO A NEWS GROUP!!!h  F Step 1:- You do not need to re-type this entire message to do your ownD posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this message andC drag your cursor to the bottom of this message and select copy fromaB the edit menu. This will copy the entire message into the computer memory.w  D Step 2:- Open a blank note pad file and place your cursor at the topE of the blank page. From the edit menu select paste. This will paste arE copy of the message into notepad so that you can add your name to the2 list.n  D Step 3:- Save your new notepad file as a txt file. If you want to doD your posting in a different setting, you'll always have this file to go back to.r  @ Step 4:- Use Netscape or Internet Explorer and try searching for@ various news groups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions, etc.)  B Step 5:- Visit these message boards and post this message as a newF message by highlighting the text of this message from your notepad andE selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the subject, this will befA the header that everybody sees as they scroll through the list of E postings in a particular group. Click the post message button. You'verE done your first one! Congratulations!!! All you have to do is jump to E different news groups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it / will take about 30 seconds for each news group!v  C REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWS GROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILLm0 MAKE!!! (But you have to post a minimum of 200).  A That's it!!! You will begin receiving money from around the worldoD within days!!! You may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due to theE large amount of mail you will receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, E you can invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it.-  / JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT!!!   E Now the why part. Out of 200 postings, say you receive only 5 repliescD (a very low example). So then you made $5.00 with your name at #6 onB the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who sent you $1.00 make theB minimum 200 postings, each with your name at #5 and only 5 personsF respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for you. NowD those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with your name at #4 and only 5C replies each, you will bring in an additional $125.00!!! Now, thoseiE 125 persons turn around and post the minimum 200 with your name at #3t< and only receive 5 replies each, you will make an additionalB $625.00!!! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 personsC post a minimum 200 messages with your name at #2 and they each onlyh receive 5 replies, that-D just made you $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver thisA message to 200 news groups. If just 5 more reply you will receive F $15,625.00!!! All with an original investment of only $6.00!!! AmazingC isn't it!!!! When your name is no longer on the list, you just takeuC the latest posting in the news groups and send out another $6.00 to ; the names on the list, putting your name at number 6 again.   @ You must realize that thousands of people all over the world areF joining the internet and reading these messages every day!!! Just likeC you are now!!! So, can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works?rC I'm glad I did!!! People have said, "what if the plan is played out C and no one sends you the money?" So what!!! What are the chances ofiF that happening, when there are tons of new honest users and new honestD people who are joining the internet and news groups everyday and areF willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day!!!  > REMEMBER PLAY HONESTLY AND FAIRLY AND THIS WILL REALLY WORK!!!  D -- Comments/Feedback (please post your feedback/experiences here) --  B Not bad for 1 hr's work....made me around $5320 in roughly 35 days Anthony M - TX  / Hello, I rcvd 269 bucks in the post in 2 weeks.p Dan Miami - FL  E I had to wait around 10 days before I had any results - $13,450 as ofnB 3rd Jan 2003 to date (14th Feb 2003).Am gonna re-post it again for more money!! Del from Alberta - Canada   ? Only received around 588 in the post the last 2 months since Ik= started the program but I'd posted to approx. 100 newsgroups.a James P - Manchester, UK  F Cool....didn't expect much out of this "scam" initially but I have pay my credit card billn Mustafa - Jordan   For $6,I made $246 in 2 weeksd$ ROMEO2326 - Little Rock, AR -US of A  C Hey, just droppin a line to say that after posting to well over 820iC newsgroups on google and my ISP newsgroup server over a period of 4oA 1/2 months ,Ive raked in $54280 . Mucho dinero baby!!!!  Peace...d Drew Dallas - TX   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2004 23:09:40 -00003 From: All Hail the Expert <expertonall@matters.usa>mO Subject: Re: The State of the Union, Health care and more lies from the Preside 7 Message-ID: <MRI6BH3E38011.7150462963@anonymous.poster>n  + J F  M e z e i <nobody@nobody.com> trolled:i  
 >devil wrote:eM >> Hospitals, HMOs are large corporations, owned by a small number of wealthy M >> physicians.  Who run a monopoly so they are free to set fees sky-high, andt> >> merrily prescribing use and overuse of expensive equipment. >tL >Actually, there is competition betwene HMOs. If one hospital doesn't have aO >fancy MRI machine, but the hospital across the street does, the first hospitalhK >will lose business because HMOs will want to associate themselves with theaN >fancy hospital that is better equipped in order to promote their health plan. >eN >This results in hospitals becoming over-equipped with too much capacity for aK >region. From the hospital point of view, being a business, the accountantsnL >state that in order to make the MRI investment profitable, they must have X4 >paying customers going through the machine per day. >tL >Airlines will lower the price of tickets when not enough passengers book inO >advance. Hospitals don't compete on price, they compete on features and chargeaK >as much as they want. And when they don't have enough customers to warrantmO >investment in an MRI machine, then the doctors will start to over prescribe toe >"fill the seats". >wK >Patients don't care because it is paid by the insurance company. And it iseO >pretty hard for an HMO to second guess a doctor's opinion that a patient needsw >such and such treatment.  >qK >This is where national health care plans are quite different.  There is nohN >oversupply of fancy equipment, so the doctors don't have to overprescribe itsO >use. In fact, it is more of a question of supply not matching expected demand,eL >with doctors having to decide whether an MRI is really necessary or not and5 >only sending cases where the MRI is truly necessary.  > N >And this is where you start hearing stories of people waiting months for someO >treatment: they give priority to patients who really need access to facilitiesiL >that have limited capacity, and if you have some problem that isn't seriousN >then you are put in a waiting list where you are in the airline equivalent of# >"stand by" for the next free spot.s >rK >And the lack of an oversupply of facilities also forced the doctors to userN >more common sense and perhaps more conventional treatments which, in the end,J >work just as well even though they are not right out of a science fiction >movie.  > N >One could argue that hospitals in countries with national health plans are inK >fact far more efficient in their use of resources than USA hospitals whicheL >have an over supply of resources and use these valuable resources for cases >that don't really need them.  >wO >The advantage of a national health plan is that there is one customer who also E >happens to be the owner (the government) And it can then dictate thenM >allocation of resources so that for instance, one hospital per region has annK >MRI machine and other hospitals in the region won't have to "compete". YoutM >just get sent to that hospital if you really need an MRI, otherwise, they'lln@ >fix your broken leg with conventional x-ray machine and a cast. > N >IN fact, in rural areas, if a doctor really feels that you require an MRI andN >there is none in your region, the government will often fly you to a hospitalJ >that does. It turns out costing much less than installing MRI machines at >every street corner.y >fM >People in developped nations now take health care for granted. And this is aaJ >problem with regards to rising costs because you expect to be treated forL >any/all ailments. And whereas people used to accept that heart attacks wereO >fatal, they now expcect to survive those and see them as just an inconveniencetO >and figure that technology will fix your heart. This is especially true in thes& >USA where expectations are very high. > O >The problem is that in the USA, hospitals and doctors want more patients. DrugfM >companies want more business so they give doctors all sorts of incentives totH >prescribe their new drugs (which often exist to solve some non exsitantN >disease, but are marketed as the perfect solution for a problem that the drugG >companies say is extremely serious (such as having to urinate during ap+ >baseball game because you can't hold it)).i > L >HMOs have patients as customers. And if the HMO refuses a procedure, it may >lose the customer.N > M >When the HMO is a single government entity, it doesn't fear losing customers M >and can decide that certain procedures are purely elective and won't pay for I >it. (patents must then see doctors in their clinics and pay for electiven >treatment). >oO >And when the HMO is a single government entity who also owns the hospitals and K >has doctors on its payroll, it can decide how much it pays. So there is noeJ >overcharging by doctors and hospitals. And because the budgets are tight,P >hospitals have been forced to clean up their operations to increase efficiency. >rJ >And yes, you do have strikes in the health sector (there was on in FranceG >yesterday) when the government refuses to provide the staff the salaryrO >increases that they want. But the government has clear incentive to keep costs O >under control since its revenus do not increase if there are more patients whonN >are sick. Its goal in fact is to reduce the demand on the health care system,O >whereas in the USA, the hospitals and doctors want to increase demand in orderr >to increase profits.i  J You seem to be an authority (in your own mind) on all things that go on inI the USA.  Amazing, really, considering you: 1) Don't live in the USA, andsC 2) Are an unemployed wanker who spends all day in bed sleeping (andiG wanking) and all night on usenet trolling the newsgroups (and wanking).n   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2004 21:46:32 -0000" From: Really? <interesting@oh.wow>@ Subject: Re: The State of the Union:  Lies about a Dishonest War7 Message-ID: <8OZQOOXI38011.6573148148@anonymous.poster>e  ) J F  M e z e i <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:d   >"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:O >> But most of the civilized world rejected the claims of WMD in Iraq?  I don't * >> recall those claims.  Please cite them. >o; >Amazing how americans have been so misinformed. It is sad.r >dL >The whole world knows that Hussein, when asked by the UN in september 2002,H >had agreed to give Blix full and unfethered access again. Then, the USAL >blocked the UN from starting inspections until a new resolution was signed.L >The USA intended to have a resolution which granted it the right to invade,K >but had to settle for 1441 which required another resolution should the UNt$ >decide that Iraq was not complying. >mM >Problem is that Iraq was complying and the world could not justify declaringa8 >Iraq in breach, while the USA was in a hurry to invade. >rM >On the other side, everyone outside the Bliar and Bush regimes knew that theuM >"dossiers" presented by these two cohorts were quite questionable. (remember K >that one important document was aactually just an assignement done by somepL >student at university years before and was no longer current). In fact, hadO >you bothered to read the Bliar documents (which had been made available on thelK >british government's website, you would have seen that all of the evidencesG >actually dated before the UN started the inspections process after then >Kuwait invasion.  > I >Then came confirmation from both Blix and Baradei that the so called USAvM >evidenne was fabricated in some cases or pointed to site which had not shown  >any signs of WMDs.m > L >This is why the UN in early 2003 refused to give the USA a resolution whichG >would have granted the USA the right to invade.  When 3 of 5 permanentMO >security council member threathen to use their veto, it means that the USA andaG >Britain are really attempting to do something which is wrong. Yes, theeN >citizens of the USA remained blind to the reality and supported their regime.L >At least the citizens of the UK saw through the lies of Bliar and protestedN >vehemently against. (so did spanich, polish and australian citizens who could@ >not understand why their governement would have caved in to USA >demands/blackmail/bribes.  I Well let's not forget the tremendous leadership your own country, Canada,m has shown in all this.....   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:30:23 GMTl! From: devil <devil@attglobal.net>h@ Subject: Re: The State of the Union:  Lies about a Dishonest War: Message-ID: <pan.2004.01.25.22.30.21.784380@attglobal.net>  2 On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:46:32 +0000, Really? wrote:    K > Well let's not forget the tremendous leadership your own country, Canada,a > has shown in all this.....  J Given Canada's location and overall relationship/trade with the US, Canada= actually showed quite a bit of courage in standing against USg pressure/blackmail.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:39:27 -0800d& From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net>@ Subject: Re: The State of the Union:  Lies about a Dishonest War+ Message-ID: <bv1qv61a35@enews2.newsguy.com>m   *Plonk*    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:53:36 -0800e& From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net>? Subject: Re: Trouble installing VMS AXP Hobbyist on a PWS 600auo, Message-ID: <bv136d0226r@enews2.newsguy.com>   Wes: <snip> >  >>>show device F > dka0.0.0.1010.0            DKA0                       RZ1CB-BA  LYE0F > dka400.4.0.1010.0          DKA400     PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-303R  1.06 <snip>D Here's your trouble.  Even though it is SCSI _AND_ SRM sees it, VMS > doesn't know what it is, and does not know what to do with it.H It could be something as simple as the block size jumper or termination 5 jumper, or as fatal as 'it just won't work with VMS'.iK If you want to boot to VMS, you'll have to add a VMS Compatible SCSI CDRom.lH I see that you have the Miata MX5 version PWS600A(U) with the Intel SIO E IDE chipset, so an IDE CDRom isn't an option.  If you had a Miata GL  H with the Cypress chipset, you would have been able to boot from a $5.00 
 IDE CDRom.H Any of the DEC RRD series will do, as well as several models of Toshiba I SCSI CDRom's.  I've also found the CDRom lurking in some models of Apple   computers work well too.  B I'm willing to bet that your Pioneer DVDRom will work once VMS is H booted, i.e., you'll be able to load layered products with it, just not  the OS.   
 Good luck!   TomC   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:38:19 -0600q6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>? Subject: Re: Trouble installing VMS AXP Hobbyist on a PWS 600audT Message-ID: <craigberry-C78234.13381925012004@dsl081-159-101.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net>  B In article <gDSQb.24210$i4.2113@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,2  Wesley Dunnahoo <wdunnahoo@mindspring.com> wrote:  H > I've spent the past several weeks trying to install VMS on an old PWS , > 600au that used to contain Debian Linux.     VMS version?  ( >       Bus 00  Slot 07: Intel SIO 82378  H This means you can't boot from an IDE device, so you are correct to try G using dka400 (see section 14.4.4.2 of the FAQ).  However, I don't know lH whether your Pioneer DVD-ROM will work.  Does it support 512-byte block @ transfers or have a switch, jumper, etc., that will enable such?  ) >       Bus 00  Slot 11: Matrox Millenium   G There is no VMS driver for this.  You will need to acquire a supported  5 graphics controller.  The supported options are here:e  E http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/products/graphics/au/index.htmlh   Be sure to read the FAQ:  1 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/openvms_faq.htmlf   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:36:58 -0800e& From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net>? Subject: Re: Trouble installing VMS AXP Hobbyist on a PWS 600auC+ Message-ID: <bv1qqi0a35@enews2.newsguy.com>c   > ) >>      Bus 00  Slot 11: Matrox Millenium  >  > I > There is no VMS driver for this.  You will need to acquire a supported t7 > graphics controller.  The supported options are here:l Brian:  7 Good catch.  Didn't see that on the first pass through.pC Yes, you will need an OpenVMS compatible graphics card, which is a i _very_ short list: Powerstorm 3D30h Powerstorm 4D20t. Powerstorm 4D10T (Elsa Gloria Synergy 8mb PCI) Powerstorm 300 Powerstorm 350
 S3 Trio64V
 Permedia 2) 3DLabs Oxygen VX1 (OpenVms 7.3 or higher)t  8 Check eBay, saw a 3D30 the other day that went for ~$50.   TomC   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:02:17 -0600p( From: Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net>? Subject: Re: Trouble installing VMS AXP Hobbyist on a PWS 600au 2 Message-ID: <QCudnU4e9vJq4ondXTWc-g@speakeasy.net>   Tom Crabtree wrote:  >>* >>>      Bus 00  Slot 11: Matrox Millenium >> >>J >> There is no VMS driver for this.  You will need to acquire a supported 8 >> graphics controller.  The supported options are here: >  > Brian: > 9 > Good catch.  Didn't see that on the first pass through. E > Yes, you will need an OpenVMS compatible graphics card, which is a l > _very_ short list: > Powerstorm 3D30t > Powerstorm 4D20P0 > Powerstorm 4D10T (Elsa Gloria Synergy 8mb PCI) > Powerstorm 300 > Powerstorm 350 > S3 Trio64V > Permedia 2+ > 3DLabs Oxygen VX1 (OpenVms 7.3 or higher)a > : > Check eBay, saw a 3D30 the other day that went for ~$50. >  > TomC > G Unless something has changed recently, the Powerstorm 300 and 350 will  G not work on a PWS system; I think the Oxygen VX1 is also not supported t$ (that one is EV6 only last I heard).   Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 06:13:22 +0100h" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>? Subject: Re: Trouble installing VMS AXP Hobbyist on a PWS 600aua4 Message-ID: <4014a283$0$19281$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Wesley Dunnahoo wrote:H > I've spent the past several weeks trying to install VMS on an old PWS F > 600au that used to contain Debian Linux.  I can load Windows NT but I > receive an error when I try to boot the Hobbyist version of the CD-ROM  8 > (see below).  Any help would be extremely appreciated.  N As stated by others, the PWS600au has an IDE CD-ROM drive. It was intended to # run Unix or Windows NT. I have one.   M I went to a shop, I purchased a SCSI CD-ROM and its flat cable. I opened the eH box, changed the drive, closed the box, powered it on, put my favourite J operating system CD in the drive and today I have another uncle named Bob.  L All this from the first screw to the last one has been pixed. I'll post the 2 HowTo for hardware newbies on the VAXUS site asap.   Cheers.t   D. --  2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928h$                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:48:54 GMTo' From: M Allison <allisom@mnr.gov.on.ca>t- Subject: Re: VMS authentication to Windows ADo9 Message-ID: <aRWQb.11234$Kg6.88000@news20.bellglobal.com>c  7 In article <buotf6$jra$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>, PEN wrote:SK > Yes you can.  You need to install, configure, and run Advanced Server forhK > OpenVMS and modify user's OpenVMS accounts (in sysuaf.dat) to include the  > flag EXTAUTH.h > N > Advanced Server for OpenVMS can participate in your Windows 2000 domain as a > Member server. > M > If the user's Windows domain username doesn't match their OpenVMS username,s > use the command: > 7 > $ ADMIN ADD HOSTMAP <domain-username> <OVMS-username>o > A > command to associate the two (Advanced Server must be running).n  ? Under this scenario, is there a way for a DCL script to reverse C the mapping? That is, starting with the OVMS-username that someone uB is logged in under, can you retrieve the domain-username mapping? < That would be useful for LDAP queries against AD to retrieve0 user-specific fields such as their SMTP address.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:09:38 +0000 (UTC)o( From: ExGuardianReader <noway@noway.com>, Subject: Re: Where is XML generator for VMS?0 Message-ID: <bv17q1$m0i$1@sparta.btinternet.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote:l, > ExGuardianReader <noway@noway.com> writes: >  >  >><row>       (row >>   <data>     (data BLAH)w >>     BLAHt >>   </data> >>   <data>     (data 100.00)f
 >>     100.00a >>   </data> >></row>      )  >  > D > This is called progress isn't it? we have now eliminated the silly > parethesies :) >   6 Huh??? Were there extraneous parentheses in my post???  6 (or am i having a transient sense of humour failure?!)   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:13:51 +0000 (UTC)e( From: ExGuardianReader <noway@noway.com>, Subject: Re: Where is XML generator for VMS?0 Message-ID: <bv181t$nna$1@sparta.btinternet.com>   Craig A. Berry wrote:s4 > In article <butbic$qcb$1@hercules.btinternet.com>,, >  ExGuardianReader <noway@noway.com> wrote: >>J >>Why not download Java for free and just write a simple SAX XMLReader to  >>read the data,   >  > H > How is an XML reader going to help him when his data are not (yet) in H > XML?  Java is a good suggestion, though; I'm sure there are XMLWriter  > classes for Java available.   G The interface XMLReader does not read XML in the format you usually seee3 it with '<element attribute="value">' type text in.   D It simply sends events detailing the notional opening and closing ofB elements (with attached attribute values), and the textual contentH between the opening and closing tags to a ContentHandler (which can feedG the events on). These are where you would LIKE opening and closing tagss, to be - the underlying data can be anything.  A These events can be sent through to an XML "pretty-printer" whichd+ produces the familiar XML view of the data.   A For instance, I've just written a class (RsultSetXMLReader) whichHH produces an XML view of a JDBC ResultSet (The results from an SQL SELECTD operation). The ResultSet object contains all the data rows and typeF information, and column heading information (from the 'SELECT field AS "Column Heading"' form)   / For each row in the ResultSet, this class callsi  $ myContentHandler.startElement("row")% for (int i = 1; i <= numColumns; i++)  {c) 	String theData = resultSet.getString(i); ' 	myContentHandler.startElement("data");n& 	myContentHandler.characters(theData);% 	myContentHandler.endElement("data");h } " myContentHandler.endElement("row")    5 You can see that the resulting XML will have the forme   <row>h	    <data> 	      BLAH 
    </data>	    <data>I      100.00l
    </data> </row>    H The syntax is a *little" mor involved than that because you usually haveD attribtes (like data type of the data element), but that's the idea:
 event -> XML.   H Pop over to comp.lang.java.* and ask. If I see you, I'll post some code.  > Nige (Former fanatical VMS programmer, and comp.os.vms lurker)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.050 ************************