0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 28 Jan 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 54      Contents:A 'Dictionary' no longer works after 7.3-2 and Rdb 7.1.2.2. upgrade ! Re: cURL 7.11.0 available for VMS ! Re: cURL 7.11.0 available for VMS ! Re: cURL 7.11.0 available for VMS E Re: Experiences with Tivoli Storage Manager and Archive Backup Client < Re: Flashing lights on my disk drives on an Alphaserver ES40< Re: Flashing lights on my disk drives on an Alphaserver ES40 Re: ftp attack Re: ftp attack" Re: gray wall docs free in florida Re: Help with VMS installation( Re: HP to adopt AMD's Opteron in servers( Re: HP to adopt AMD's Opteron in servers( Re: HP to adopt AMD's Opteron in servers Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!  Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!  Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!  Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!  Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!  Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!  Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!  Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!  Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!! B Re: Intel to chip away at Itanium prices <- or ... I want my cheapB Re: Intel to chip away at Itanium prices <- or ... I want my cheap* Re: Kay resigns: no WMDs since early 1990s* RE: Known problems with V7.3 security MUP?* RE: Known problems with V7.3 security MUP? Re: Mozilla on Alpha question  Re: NEWS2 again....  Re: NEWS2 again....  Re: NEWS2 again....  Re: OpenVMS I64 Compilers  Re: OpenVMS I64 Compilers  RE: OpenVMS I64 Compilers  RE: OpenVMS I64 Compilers  Re: OpenVMS I64 Compilers 
 paging JCC& Re: Parity Error on Removable MO disks Testing for file Re: Testing for file Re: Testing for file@ Re: The Register: OpenVMS among most-secure of operating systems@ Re: The Register: OpenVMS among most-secure of operating systems+ Re: VMS's Stability Prompts Move To Itanium # X11 via SSH from OpenVMS to Win2000 ' Re: X11 via SSH from OpenVMS to Win2000   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:59:08 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")J Subject: 'Dictionary' no longer works after 7.3-2 and Rdb 7.1.2.2. upgrade6 Message-ID: <00A2C86E.93F0D287@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   RDbers (and comp.os.vmsers) --  - OpenVMS Alpha (DS20E), Rdb 7.1.2.2, VMS 7.3-2   L I have some old but still in use and maintained Fortran/TDMS/RDO precompilerO programs.  They get record definitions from the CDD via Dictionary statements,   eg:   O        dictionary 'cdd$top.user_support.database.rdb$relations.scheduled_propos 	 als/list'   M This has been working fine.  (The creation date on the include file with this N statement is in 1996, so it would seem to have been working fine for a while.)8 The programs in question were last compiled in December.  D Over Christmas break, we upgraded from VMS 7.3-1 to 7.3-2, and from  Rdb 7.1.0.5 to 7.1.2.2.     G Now, when I try to compile these programs, dictionary processing fails.            dictionaryF 'cdd$top.user_support.database.rdb$relations.scheduled_proposals/list'P ................................................................................
 .........^0 %FORT-E-NODNOTFND, directory or object not foundM at line number 23 in file $DISK4:[WINSTON.USER_SUPPORT]USER_SUPPORT.COMMON;57            dictionary= 'cdd$top.user_support.database.rdb$relations.scheduled_propos 	 als/list' P ................................................................................
 .........^K %FORT-F-DICTABORT, DICTIONARY processing of CDD record description aborted. M at line number 23 in file $DISK4:[WINSTON.USER_SUPPORT]USER_SUPPORT.COMMON;57   I Is anyone aware of something in this upgrade that could have broken this?    Thanks!    -- Alan  --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:46:53 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG* Subject: Re: cURL 7.11.0 available for VMS0 Message-ID: <00A2C864.7DFF838E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  j In article <t6h3HJCZ23NJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:; >The latest version of cURL, 7.11.0, has been released and   >is available for download.  > 3 >The location is http://curl.haxx.se/download.html   > > >This zip file contains the cURL object library and standalone= >executable compiled for the following OS, DEC C, and OpenSSL  >combinations. > 4 > HW Type  VMS Version   Compiler Vers   SSL Library8 >--------+-------------+---------------+----------------7 > Alpha  | OpenVMS 7.3 | DEC C 6.5-001 | OpenSSL 0.9.7c 7 > VAX    | OpenVMS 7.2 | DEC C 6.4-003 | OpenSSL 0.9.7c 7 > IA64   | OpenVMS 8.1 | hp C T7.0-002 | OpenSSL 0.9.7c  > : >For those who don't know what cURL is, here is the blurb  >from the main page... > < >    Curl is a command line tool for transferring files with; >    URL syntax, supporting FTP, FTPS, HTTP, HTTPS, GOPHER, 5 >    TELNET, DICT, FILE and LDAP. Curl supports HTTPS 6 >    certificates, HTTP POST, HTTP PUT, FTP uploading,8 >    kerberos, HTTP form based upload, proxies, cookies,= >    user+password authentication, file transfer resume, http : >    proxy tunneling and a busload of other useful tricks. > < >I haven't tested all the features, since I only use it for 9 >HTTP(S), but it does compile and link cleanly on all the  >platforms outlined above.    @ Kudos to Marty... This is how unix tools ported to VMS should be? announced.  Many here may not be well versed on all things unix @ and an explaination of the package (any package for that matter,@ unix ported or otherwise) is a welcome addition to the announce- ment.    --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:50:25 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>* Subject: Re: cURL 7.11.0 available for VMS+ Message-ID: <bv710j$sg5$1@news01.intel.com>   B My news feed is on the fritz at the moment so I didn't see Marty's original post:   VAXman- wrote:  l > In article <t6h3HJCZ23NJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes: > < >>The latest version of cURL, 7.11.0, has been released and  >>is available for download. >>4 >>The location is http://curl.haxx.se/download.html  >>? >>This zip file contains the cURL object library and standalone > >>executable compiled for the following OS, DEC C, and OpenSSL >>combinations.  >>4 >>HW Type  VMS Version   Compiler Vers   SSL Library9 >>--------+-------------+---------------+---------------- 7 >>Alpha  | OpenVMS 7.3 | DEC C 6.5-001 | OpenSSL 0.9.7c 7 >>VAX    | OpenVMS 7.2 | DEC C 6.4-003 | OpenSSL 0.9.7c 7 >>IA64   | OpenVMS 8.1 | hp C T7.0-002 | OpenSSL 0.9.7c  >>; >>For those who don't know what cURL is, here is the blurb    < Marty, is there a version/build of this utility that doens't< require OpenSSL be installed?  I have an application but the5 OpenSSL requirement would be a significant barrier...    	Thanks, Ken --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:33:58 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>* Subject: Re: cURL 7.11.0 available for VMS+ Message-ID: <bv7e3m$39l$1@news01.intel.com>    Ken Fairfield wrote:D > My news feed is on the fritz at the moment so I didn't see Marty's > original post: >  > VAXman- wrote: > 7 >> In article <t6h3HJCZ23NJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>,  9 >> kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:  >>A >>> The latest version of cURL, 7.11.0, has been released and is   >>> available for download.  >>> 5 >>> The location is http://curl.haxx.se/download.html A >>> This zip file contains the cURL object library and standalone @ >>> executable compiled for the following OS, DEC C, and OpenSSL >>> combinations.  >>> 6 >>> HW Type  VMS Version   Compiler Vers   SSL Library; >>> --------+-------------+---------------+---------------- 9 >>> Alpha  | OpenVMS 7.3 | DEC C 6.5-001 | OpenSSL 0.9.7c 9 >>> VAX    | OpenVMS 7.2 | DEC C 6.4-003 | OpenSSL 0.9.7c 9 >>> IA64   | OpenVMS 8.1 | hp C T7.0-002 | OpenSSL 0.9.7c  >>> = >>> For those who don't know what cURL is, here is the blurb   >  > > > Marty, is there a version/build of this utility that doens't> > require OpenSSL be installed?  I have an application but the7 > OpenSSL requirement would be a significant barrier...   .    Sorry, that question sounds a bit stupid...  =    My real question is, are there any dependancies?  I had in ? the back of my mind, Hunter Goatley's NETLIB stuff for example. = Is there any OpenSSL shared image that needs to be installed? 3 If it's just a "bare image", that works for me. :-)    	Thanks, Ken --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:09:44 -0600 ( From: David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com>N Subject: Re: Experiences with Tivoli Storage Manager and Archive Backup Client8 Message-ID: <g8hd10tti04bntqpndqrndfupf3s71dk0g@4ax.com>  I On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:24:11 +0000 (UTC), david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:   4 >>	Finally, a number of ABC discussions reside here: >>e >>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=abc+tivoli+rob+group%3Acomp.os.vms  >>	 >>				Rob  >> >Rob,  >  >The page atU >http://www.storserver.com/main.cfm?menu=2&submenu=abc&detail=include/abcoverview.cfm  >  >mentions ODS-2 filesystems. > = >Does it also handle backing up and restoring ODS-5 volumes ?  >  >David Webb  >VMS and Unix team leader  >CCSS  >Middlesex University     J When I last talked to them (early December 2003), It was to be in a futureL release.  Not, to put words in their mouth, but it seemed they were implyingL the next release, but I don't know that for sure, or when that release would be.    Dave Harrold  N ..............................................................................N David Harrold                              E-Mail: David.Harrold at aurora.orgJ Lead Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204J                                             Pager:          (414) 941-4634J Aurora Health Care                            Fax:          (414) 647-4999 3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2004 12:28:31 -0800$ From: rcbryan@hotmail.com (RC Bryan)E Subject: Re: Flashing lights on my disk drives on an Alphaserver ES40 = Message-ID: <fbcf38dc.0401271228.44398a76@posting.google.com>   H > > on the front.  When it came up again, it could not read from any DKAH > > devices and the lights on my disk drives were all flashing together. >  > Try first !  >  > >>> SHOW DEVICE  >   B The way I know it does not see any DKA devices is because I did a    >>> show device   C I was kind of baffled by the results since it listed a SCSI bus.  I E had to go to another system and compare the results to see that I was B supposed to see the disks.  I expect this is one of those problems? that will go away as soon as I take everything apart and put it F together again.  If it was my PC, I would have had it in pieces a longD time ago.  Since it is a 4 processor ES40 alphaserver, I think I may just wait for a tech from HPQ.  B The way all the lights are flashing together tells me something, I= just don't know what.  I need a magic decoder ring/book/CD or 
 something.   Thanks, 	 /RC Bryan    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:39:44 +0000 (UTC) ? From: Graham Burley <burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org> E Subject: Re: Flashing lights on my disk drives on an Alphaserver ES40 9 Message-ID: <4016F5A4.5086EDA5@encompasserve-or-this.org>    RC Bryan wrote:  > C > The way I know it does not see any DKA devices is because I did a  >  > >>> show device  >   2 You might find something in the SRM error log, try   >>> cat el | more      Graham   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:47:29 GMT 6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: ftp attack ; Message-ID: <5UBRb.16830$FZ.809@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>   I The default behavior is to accept all hosts.  If you define a /accept for I either a network OR a host, only the connections listed will be accepted. H You can combine this and allow 3 network ranges and 2 hosts for example.H You'll also need to stop and restart the service to enable your changes.     --       Andy Bustamante ' (Remove the ascii 95's to mail a reply)     0 <gconstantinides@myrealbox.com> wrote in message7 news:d28edccd.0401270910.3f7025f5@posting.google.com... 7 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message % news:<40161C97.1643BD4E@istop.com>... * > > "gconstantinides@myrealbox.com" wrote:= > > > tcpip> SET SERVICE/ACCEPT=NETWORK=x.x.x.0:255.255.255.0  > > > > > you need to add "FTP" at the end of the above line ... :-) > > D > > > Is this correct?   Does this apply to incoming requestes only? > > L > > Yes. Outgoing FTP is just an application, not a service. The SET SERVICE onlyD > > aopplies to the inbound requests to the port associated with the service. > > K > > When you use the FTP client, it uses "random" ports for its connections  to the@ > > FTP server and the inbound FTP port/service is not involved. > C > Thanks for the clarification. What about the /ACCEPT=HOST=0.0.0.0 B > Doesn't this setting mean "accept all hosts" and therefore is in: > contradiction with /ACCEPT=NETWORK=x.x.x.0:255.255.255.0: > Perhaps It can be disabled with a /ACCEPT=NOHOST=0.0.0.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:37:23 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: ftp attack ) Message-ID: <4017043C.5EECE2FF@istop.com>   & "gconstantinides@myrealbox.com" wrote:C > Thanks for the clarification. What about the /ACCEPT=HOST=0.0.0.0 B > Doesn't this setting mean "accept all hosts" and therefore is in: > contradiction with /ACCEPT=NETWORK=x.x.x.0:255.255.255.0: > Perhaps It can be disabled with a /ACCEPT=NOHOST=0.0.0.0  K TCPIP> HELP SET SERVICE/ACCEPT  is pretty clear on this. When you specify a F /ACCEPT=NETWORK=xx, it will deny access to anyone not on that network.  K In the TCPIP utility, the "NO" is generally used to remove an entry, not to  specify something.  I So SET SERVICE/ACCEPT=HOST=(10.0.0.2,10.0.0.3,10.0.0.4,10.0.0.5)   adds 4  hosts to the list.M    SET SERVICE/ACCEPT=NOHOST=10.0.0.2 removes 10.0.0.2 from the list, leaving 
 the 3 others.   - You can specify up t 32 hosts or 16 networks.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:27:24 +0000 (UTC) / From: John Comeau <this-wont-go-to-me@risp.org> + Subject: Re: gray wall docs free in florida + Message-ID: <bv6s4s$8i2$1@chessie.cirr.com>   1 John Comeau <i-wont-receive-this@risp.org> wrote: D > Got VAX/VMS docs for 5.0 to give away. But only if you pick up, inC > South Florida; I won't be doing any packing or lifting, no matter ' > how much you might be willing to pay.   5 OK, guess they're headed for the dumpster... too bad.  --   jcomeau@org.risp7 SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:37:43 -0000 ' From: "lazzal" <r.lasbury@ntlworld.com> ' Subject: Re: Help with VMS installation : Message-ID: <p6zRb.89$lk4.14@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net>  L Well I tried the scsi_reset on 6 and then 7 but still no difference, it wont boot past that message!!!       6 "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote in message3 news:bv3j4t$n9oqi$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de...  > < > "Winfried Bergmann" <dummy@empuron.com> schreef in bericht5 > news:bv2sst$nc5mc$1@ID-170759.news.uni-berlin.de... @ > > "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag7 > > news:bv0r6q$mv3gt$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de...  > > > : > > > "lazzal" <r.lasbury@ntlworld.com> schreef in berichtB > > > news:R9CQb.28286$OA3.8832361@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net... > > > > > > > > > "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote in message; > > > > news:buul0i$m4n8n$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de... 	 > > > > > > > > > > > "lazzal" <r.lasbury@ntlworld.com> schreef in berichtF > > > > > news:01AQb.28244$OA3.8696070@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...I > > > > > > When I try to install OpenVMS 6.2 onto a DEC 3000 the process  > works  > > OK > > > > > until I > > > > > > it reaches the point where it checks the system disk, it then  > hangs 
 > > > with
 > > > > > the I > > > > > > message : %SWAPPER-I-SYSDISK, checking status of system disk.  > > > > > > K > > > > > > I have tried 2 different hard disks on both SCSI channels to no 
 > > avail. > > > > I'm H > > > > > > sure the SCSI controller is OK because the SCSI CD-ROM works fine.  > > > > > > # > > > > > > Where am I going wrong?  > > > > > > A > > > > > > All help, advice and suggestions gratefully received.  > >  > > K > > If scsi termination is OK and the problem still apears, try to increase % > > scsi_reset to a higher value like  > > 6. > >  > > G > 6 is DEC's default value for SCSI controllers, so 7 might be a better > > choice. The reasoning behind your suggestion is fine though. >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:14:26 -0500 + From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnopt@istop.com> 1 Subject: Re: HP to adopt AMD's Opteron in servers ) Message-ID: <4016F0D0.DC16B4FE@istop.com>    "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:C > distribute and market, they'll quickly see themselves in the same J > situation HP/Compaq claimed was the problem and reason for killing Alpha5 > - too expensive, too little volume, and no profit!    N There is a big difference. For Digital, Alpha was like VMS/compiler engineers:H A cost centre necessary to generate those oh-so-profitable sales. Alpha,K VMS/compiler engineers were part of a bigger picture (systems). And the big  picture was highly profitable.  N For Intel, neither 8086 or IA64 are part of a bigger picture.  For intel, theyI are the big picture. So each chip Intel sells must generate some profit.    L And since IA64 is poised to remain a low volume chip, its price will have toL remain very high. The goal to lower the IA64 prices in 3 years is tantamountF to admitting that Intel will have stopped spending big bucks on IA64'sL development and will then be able to sell the leftovers at a low price until@ they are severely outsped by competing chips (similar to Alpha).  L Another option is that Intel will be betting a lot of money that by loweringH prices at some point in time, Intel might eventually be able to generateL sufficient sales of IA64 to them make the unit price low enough to make thatI chip competitive. But one wonders why Intel would wait 3 years to do this K instead of doing it right away, especially since it would be very important M for Intel to nip the AMD 64 bit 8086 in the bud. Wait 3 years, and the 64 bit W 8086 may have taken sufficent root that Intel will have no hope of making IA64 popular.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:30:27 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>1 Subject: Re: HP to adopt AMD's Opteron in servers 5 Message-ID: <40171EC3.499725E@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > [snip]J > as JF points out, key staffers have been sold into slavery and trying toG > get an Opteron port going now will be problematic, at best since they D > lack a source for compilers that is within hp's ability to control
 > totally.  ) I may have misattributed that. Apologies.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:28:09 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>1 Subject: Re: HP to adopt AMD's Opteron in servers 6 Message-ID: <40171E39.66039A03@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   David Mathog wrote:  > $ > On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:29:38 -0700. > "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote: >  > > C > > I certainly wouldn't want to be in HP's shoes with all of their H > > non-Windows OS's and layered products migrating to IA64, to just nowI > > receive the revelation that Intel could choose to kill off Itanium at  > > their whim, at any time! > e > Never mind HP's shoes, how about HP's enterprise customers?  None of the scenarios are at all rosy:  > y > 1.  Intel decides to stop losing gobs of money on Itanium and ceases development and production. HP's entire enterprise A > line vaporizes and their customer base migrates to IBM and Sun.  >  > 2.  Intel sells the Itanic back to HP.  It still makes no sense for HP to develop and sell an incredibly expensive niche processor.  HP tries B > to pass the cost on to the customers who then give up in disgust > and migrate to IBM and Sun.  > > 3.  Intel continues to make the Itanic and sells <10k/year to HP, its sole customer.  In order to amortize the cost the price per processor goes up to an obscene amount, HP tries to pass the cost along to the customers, who won't pay it, and move to IBM and Sun instead. >  > 4.  HP finally realizes it is riding a dead horse and commits to an emergency port of all enterprise OS's to Opterons.  Three years later as this port finally nears completion HP's last remaining enterprise customer completes the migration to IBM or Sun. >  > 5.  HP realizes that it has made a horrific, fatal error.  Carly shuts down production of all enterprise computers, sells the service organization, and uses the "savings" to give herself a hefty bonus.  All enterprise customers migrate to IBM or Sun. > A> Unlike HP, Intel can walk away from this with nothing worse than a (very) bloody nose.  Intel can, and will, produce their own x86 64bit chip, write off Itanic, and they're still in business.  HP, on the other hand, is going to be very hard pressed to keep their HPUX and VMS customers in the aftermath of this debacle.  > > Pity that terrible management decisions will go unpunished.  Capellas will not have to forfeit any of his past pay or bonuses, even though his decision to move to Itanic may very well prove to be one of the worst business decisions of all time.  Ditto for his HP contemporaries.  4 I have to agree with Barry Treahy: *VERY* well said!  H hp's VMS division is *REALLY* for it at this stage if they can't somehowG salvage their investments in the porting efforts for VMS to Itanic. And H as JF points out, key staffers have been sold into slavery and trying toE get an Opteron port going now will be problematic, at best since they B lack a source for compilers that is within hp's ability to control totally.  G Having burned the ships, hp faces a long, hard battle back up stream to / the fork in the river to choose another course.   G The time between here and hpWorld will indeed be "interesting", for all  of us!   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2004 11:13:12 -0800& From: twnews@kittles.com (Thomas Wirt)( Subject: Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!= Message-ID: <b3531425.0401271113.2b8537b3@posting.google.com>   ? If Encompass does not hurry up and announce details on its Fall = conference there won't be one, IMHO.  I would rather go to an C Encompass Symposium than to HP World, but I will not give up my one ? annual conference trip by putting all of my eggs in a yet to be B announced Encompass Fall Conference basket.  HP World will soon beA opening registration.  If we do not have details on the Encompass @ offering, I am afraid that many people will sign up for the wellC advertised HP World, hence spending all of their conference budget, A before they even know that Encompass is planning a similar event.   C I am not saying that HP can not be trusted to support the Encompass C event, but I would rather not pass on the HP World if the Encompass @ Event is not concrete, guaranteed to happen and be worth while. 9 Please Encompass, set OUR event and start publicizing it.    Thomas Wirt  Systems Manager  Kittle's Home Furnishings  Indianapolis, IN    h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<y$mGuV0nlpjw@eisner.encompasserve.org>...q > In article <6.0.1.1.2.20040126125101.064e4ec0@mail.patmedia.net>, Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net> writes: 8 > > At 12:26 PM 1/26/2004, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: > > O > >>This appears to be the hp/Interex-sponsored convention, albeit with OpenVMS  > >>content.I > >>What's happening with the hp/Encompass-sponsored technical symposium?  > > R > > See <http://www.encompassus.org/events/2004conffaq.html> for more information. > O > In summary, it moved to the Fall, which is what causes the 2004 VMS Symposium ' > in New Hampshire to be in the Spring.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:27:08 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG( Subject: Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!0 Message-ID: <00A2C87A.E0B1E8B6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <b3531425.0401271113.2b8537b3@posting.google.com>, twnews@kittles.com (Thomas Wirt) writes:@ >If Encompass does not hurry up and announce details on its Fall> >conference there won't be one, IMHO.  I would rather go to an  B I'm going to the VMS Symposium... bugger the Encompass conference.   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2004 14:55:14 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)( Subject: Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0401271455.7b7eef9e@posting.google.com>   f young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<4JzpMrRbjo9c@eisner.encompasserve.org>...p > In article <b096a4ee.0401270819.599ed618@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: > E > >> Murder capital of the U.S. because guns have been outlawed here; L > >> therefore, only outlaws have guns, and the outlaws know this and flaunt	 > >> it.    3 Additional comment!: Well, the cops have guns, too!   H > > Guns are also outlawed in New York City and the murder rate (as wellI > > as most other crime rates) is way down, independent of any changes in G > > the gun laws, AFAIA. I believe a change in policing is what brought H > > the rates way down, including the arrest and conviction of those whoH > > carry guns. And including use of the "broken window" theory, and useD > > of computers to analyze crime geograhically and deploying police > > accordingly. > >  > H > 	Yeah - no doubt due to stricter enforcement.  You have to be careful E > 	drawing conclusions.  Really is a very regional metric in the U.S.   A I didn't conclude anything about gun control except that its mere E existence doesn't make a huge difference. I wrote "I believe a change D in policing is what brought the rates way down, including the arrest and conviction of those who F carry guns" because what it means is that criminals are less likely toD carry guns all the time for fear that they'll be stopped and friskedF by the police. Or so I've read. I think what I posted showed that goodD policing is the most important thing to do. The broken window theoryF also comes into play, and gun control then becomes a small part of theF broken window method as one more little thing to catch criminals with.F And then there's also the computerized geographic analysis of crimes I
 mentioned.  E I'll read the rest of your post later. But for now I mostly wanted to C just clarify my own. I also wanted to stress that NYC is the safest C large city in America and it has gun control. So this fact combined ? with David's claim means that the mere existence of gun control D doesn't imply a large or small crime rate. That's mainly the point I was trying to make.    [...]    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:45:45 -0500 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>( Subject: Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!) Message-ID: <40170631.F23C59EE@istop.com>    Peter Weaver wrote: 8 > "Vandalizing an airport?" Don't you mean "Destroyed an= > airport?" He tore up the runways in the middle of the night $ > with aircraft still on the ground!  H I am surprised Bill gates didn't sue the hell out of that mayor since heM destroyed the airport that was a default airport in at least some versions of 0 his highly profitable flight simulator software.  N He could have forced the city of chicago pay for a new version of FS for every( customer who had registered the version.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:05:14 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>( Subject: Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!6 Message-ID: <401718DA.4D171563@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4015B74C.3692AF11@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > [snip]E > > The mayor has blatantly defied the FAA and federal prosecutors by K > > not only vandalizing an airport, but then purloining the media to boast = > > of his crime and his "teflon shield" against prosecution.  > ' > The mayor vandalized an airport? Huh?   7 Well publicized in the media nationwide. Google for it.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:07:18 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>( Subject: Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!6 Message-ID: <40171956.26D4421B@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > h > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<4JzpMrRbjo9c@eisner.encompasserve.org>...r > > In article <b096a4ee.0401270819.599ed618@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: > > (DJD wrote:)G > > >> Murder capital of the U.S. because guns have been outlawed here; N > > >> therefore, only outlaws have guns, and the outlaws know this and flaunt
 > > >> it. > 5 > Additional comment!: Well, the cops have guns, too!    Like I said:  ( > > >> therefore, only outlaws have guns   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:10:21 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>( Subject: Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!6 Message-ID: <40171A0D.939994F3@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Peter Weaver wrote:  > [snip]@ > I thought HP had more scruples than to deal with Chicago after > that.   D Aren't these the same folks who said we should "bet our business" on Alpha/NT? Need I say more?  9 > Maybe Carley should ask her Gulfstream pilots what type $ > of aircraft they learnt to fly in.  3 The biggest thing I ever flew was a Piper Saratoga.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:11:35 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>( Subject: Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!6 Message-ID: <40171A57.65C3EAC0@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:7 > h > In article <b3531425.0401271113.2b8537b3@posting.google.com>, twnews@kittles.com (Thomas Wirt) writes:B > >If Encompass does not hurry up and announce details on its Fall@ > >conference there won't be one, IMHO.  I would rather go to an > D > I'm going to the VMS Symposium... bugger the Encompass conference.  ! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW !!!o   -- e David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2004 19:51:28 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)( Subject: Re: hpWorld-2004 - in Chicago!!= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0401271951.27a2339d@posting.google.com>   f young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<4JzpMrRbjo9c@eisner.encompasserve.org>...p > In article <b096a4ee.0401270819.599ed618@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: > E > >> Murder capital of the U.S. because guns have been outlawed here;sL > >> therefore, only outlaws have guns, and the outlaws know this and flaunt	 > >> it. a > > H > > Guns are also outlawed in New York City and the murder rate (as wellI > > as most other crime rates) is way down, independent of any changes inlG > > the gun laws, AFAIA. I believe a change in policing is what brought H > > the rates way down, including the arrest and conviction of those whoH > > carry guns. And including use of the "broken window" theory, and useD > > of computers to analyze crime geograhically and deploying police > > accordingly. > >  > H > 	Yeah - no doubt due to stricter enforcement.  You have to be careful E > 	drawing conclusions.  Really is a very regional metric in the U.S.- > 	-? > 	Also, things like this are big problems when concluding gun 9 > 	controls lower crime: >  > http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:mq943Q2R06EJ:johnrlott.tripod.com/gunlaws.html+gun+laws+murder+rate+comparison&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8  >  [...]3  A I'd like to see a rebuttal to this. I don't know enough about thepB claims here to make any rebuttal or comments myself. However, I do/ have some comments about the school discussion:o  E I do find the discussion about schools fascinating. Should we arm theyF kids? And how young? I guess you could arm the teachers, but I suspectF a kid would eventually swipe the gun from a teacher and cause trouble.D OTOH, if I were a teacher and a student pulled out a gun I'd like to@ be able to defend myself. But BOTFH, I wouldn't want to teach ifA things came to that. Very interesting. And I never heard of theserC "gun-free school zones". I've heard of the drug-free kinds, but not.D this. And there's a difference between "guaranteeing safety" and the( more practical goal of improving safety.  ; > 	You also can't help but conclude that news organizationso? > 	play the biggest part in slanting the news.  After all, from.& > 	that same study above we find this: > I > Last year, the morning and evening news broadcasts on the three main USDO > television networks carried almost 200,000 words on contemporaneous gun crimepQ > stories. By comparison, not one segment featured a civilian using a gun to save.* > a life. Newspapers are not much better.  > I > 	You would think someone preventing their family from being brutalized D > 	would be newsworthy.t > 	 > 				Robu  ? I do recall the case of Bernard Goetz [sp?] who shot some black D teenagers who were harrassing him in the subway. They are garnishingC his wages as a result of a civil law suit. This was in NYC. I don't=C know the details but I do remember that they wanted money from him. A I'm not using this case as a reason for or against gun control. IfA mention it just to show that such stories do make it to press, at F least for this case. I do remember that after Mr. Goetz's acquittal inB the criminal case, many persons predicted that NYC would then turn7 into the Wild, Wild West as a result. It didn't happen.=  ? And I wonder what the NRA would say if some wacko were to shootT Charleton Heston.i   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. FeldmanC   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:12:08 GMT7& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>K Subject: Re: Intel to chip away at Itanium prices <- or ... I want my cheap=3 Message-ID: <IuARb.13206$7B3.2690@news.cpqcorp.net>   P Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:  A > Ohh come on Rick its not as if TPC is remotely like a real OLTP D > application. Read the justification for doing TPC-E if your really
 > doubt this.g  D I don't recall being the one to introduce TPC-C into the discussion.  B > Its just a marketing tool, who do you think pays for the runs inB > most companies want to bet if its engineering or somewhere a bit > closer to sales/marketing.  D > And since its just a marketing tool getting precious about how youE > interpret the results and their applicability to real world apps as- > also just too precious.-  C Is TPC-C being just a marketing tool the reason you were willing toS' make public estimates of TPC-C results?C  @ I don't happen to believe the applicability of a benchmark has aD bearing on the validity of methodology.  If for no other reason thanD being fast and loose with one benchmark someone dismisses may end-up1 encouraging one to be fast and loose with others.p  A > Just give IBM their due they have got it to scale well on their @ > platform and because of that they don't need to do the low end > tests.  B I will concede that many people will believe that because a 32-CPUE p690 does well on TPC-C that they will also _believe_ that a four-CPUt- POWER4+ system would also do well on TPC-C.     A I do not concede that doing well at 32-CPUs a priori means that aTE different system with four of those same CPUs will do well, so I williC not concede that a four-CPU POWER4+ system does indeed do "well" onS TPC-C.  
 rick jones -- yH Wisdom Teeth are impacted, people are affected by the effects of events.F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:16:38 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>K Subject: Re: Intel to chip away at Itanium prices <- or ... I want my cheapI3 Message-ID: <WyARb.13207$7B3.9683@news.cpqcorp.net>e  P Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:( > I don't see any mention to TPM do you.   Implied by the context.j  
 rick jones -- 0? Process shall set you free from the need for rational thought.  F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH....   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 01:17:41 GMT:. From: "C. Pangus" <craigpangus@sprintmail.com>3 Subject: Re: Kay resigns: no WMDs since early 1990s C Message-ID: <V4ERb.28048$i4.10752@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>f  = "Eric Taylor" <edt@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote in messagee/ news:Hw9Rb.1222$Nz2.26406@news.itd.umich.edu...LD > In article <GFsQb.22115$q4.9352@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,/ > C. Pangus <craigpangus@sprintmail.com> wrote:-J > >    Just how far Bush & Co will go in faking it is a recurring thought. The G > >entire war was based on falsifications of WMD's.  What else has, and1 will, E > >they fake or plant?  I mean, the number of dead from 9/11 pales in, >r0 > in restrospect it's easy to see what happened. >f* > since 1992 the neocons have wanted iraq. >iB > Now clinton was sure that saddam had WMD's.  Bush after him also
 > thought it.t >rF > The reason why both presidents were so sure is also now clear.  EvenG > though saddam hussein destroyed all of his WMD's you have to remember:H > he's a petty tyrant.  And as such the only way he knows how to rule isD > through fear and intimidation.  He thought if he fooled the UnitedH > States into thinking he still had the weapons by deliberately deludingH > the inspectors in various ways the United States would be intimidated.H > Too late he found like every other bully you can't intimidate everyoneF > and like every other bully he was a coward who refused to allow freeI > inspections that could have saved his regime.  Bush was fooled, just asr > Clinton was fooled.e >vH > There wasn't any hard evidenc though.  Not enough for a war certainly.G > But here is where the real problem lies.  Bush's administration is an F > administration of secrecy and hidden agendas.  Instead of telling usG > that they got fooled, Bush pretends that he never said he was lookingsC > for WMD's in the first place, and all he wanted to begin with was  > regime change. >-F > As to why Bush thinks that secrecy and hidden agendas in a democracyG > are the way to go, how stupid does he think we are?  Who knows, maybeL7 > we are that stupid, he might get reelected this fall.S >0	 > --- edt     K I would say that Saddam may well have intentionally given the impression he,F had such programs, however, the inspectors were not fooled.  IAEA headG elBaradi stated they had no nukes before, during, and after Bush's Iraql attack.gC     As for Clinton, just like the dems in Congress, he was probably.F hoodwinked by Bush Senior's good ole boys.  Don't forget that prior toH becoming Reagan's VP Bush was a CIA careerist who at one time was DeputyI Director of Operations.  That is, the guy who runs actual spy activities,aH not just passive intel gathering.  These sort are notorious for personalH loyalties and contempt of politicians of the day.  They also live by how well they lie.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:18:06 -0500- From: norm.raphael@metso.com3 Subject: RE: Known problems with V7.3 security MUP?lQ Message-ID: <OF993166DE.6965338D-ON85256E28.0069D99A-85256E28.006A4B7F@metso.com>u  J hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) wrote on 01/27/2004 01:10:36 PM:n  ? > In article <OF573F2C8A.6DED7FA9-ON85256E28.004D962D-85256E28.F > 004E18EF@metso.com>,  > norm.raphael@metso.com writes: >/B > >Have you [Charlie] considered the Atkins diet for your fingers? >o/ > Actually, no.  I'll take it under advisement.  > D > Although I have never been formally diagnosed, I suspect that I amC > mildly dyslexic.  At least that would tend to explain some of the 2 > problems I have with spelling and typeing (sic).  B If so, you are in good company.  Many great men and women were/are  knowledge-processing challenged. >  > --G >       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FLt USA H >           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)@ >       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.d >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:57:50 GMT.3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)i3 Subject: RE: Known problems with V7.3 security MUP? 3 Message-ID: <2pzRb.13195$Jx3.5271@news.cpqcorp.net>   R In article <OF993166DE.6965338D-ON85256E28.0069D99A-85256E28.006A4B7F@metso.com>,  norm.raphael@metso.com writes: ..H >...  Many great men and women were/are knowledge-processing challenged.  B "Knowledge-processing challenged" -- I gotta remember that phrase. (Hadn't heard it before.)    -- aJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:35:06 -0600 ' From: "Russ Dittmer" <russ@dittmer.com>h& Subject: Re: Mozilla on Alpha question) Message-ID: <4016c0a0_4@news1.prserv.net>   J I have tried everything recommended, with no discernable positive results.G Anyone know if there is a 'debug' function to see where , possibly, thes& process is failing to properly invoke? RD   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:05:59 +0100p# From: edo <nobody@cryptorebels.net>  Subject: Re: NEWS2 again....? Message-ID: <6669d17fb638ef09aba82843d8859756@cryptorebels.net>,  ' WoofWoof <oftenbark@hotmail.com> wrote:P  G >C'mon you guys .... did it ever occur to you that some jerk just mightuB >be impersonating him? Does the jerk really forge the headers that >well?  * Message-ID: <40163ED7.D75DE2D9@nobody.com>  From: Nobody <nobody@nobody.com> Organization: nla0: * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en  MIME-Version: 1.0n, Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,rec.travel.air- Subject: Re: americans at the athens olympicsr= References: <cab4df5f.0401261011.6448da2d@posting.google.com>oL <tAjRb.18$cW5.3507@news20.bellglobal.com> <260120041904398525%gofig@mac.com>2 <9KnRb.18426$Wf6.12780@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>" <260120042315474754%gofig@mac.com>* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 	 Lines: 27m% Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:35:09 -0500u NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.11.160.74DM X-Trace: news.nnrp.ca 1075199420 66.11.160.74 (Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:30:20 EST)o0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:30:20 EST    ) Message-ID: <4015EB28.505F1D9F@istop.com>s* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Organization: nla0:o* X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: ens MIME-Version: 1.0 " Newsgroups: can.internet.highspeed Subject: NEWS2 again... * Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitn Lines: 8% Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:38:38 -0500n NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.11.160.74eM X-Trace: news.nnrp.ca 1075178001 66.11.160.74 (Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:33:21 EST) 0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:33:21 EST  &                              - - - - -  J Not that anybody in rec.travel.air needs to look at the headers for proof.P Anyone who's been around long enough instantly recognizes the writing style, theN recurring misspellings, the newsgroup flooding/trolling that has been going onO around the clock for  years on end, the same old prejudices, the same old staleeO agenda, and above all, the foaming at the mouth hatred/envy of the USA.  No one @ could successfully impersonate JF; no one else is that deranged.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:47:22 GMT/* From: Steven Fisher <sdfisher@spamcop.net> Subject: Re: NEWS2 again....6 Message-ID: <0001HW.BC3C1C690004124BF00805B0@shawnews>  - On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:05:59 -0800, edo wrotewA (in message <6669d17fb638ef09aba82843d8859756@cryptorebels.net>):a  M > Not that anybody in rec.travel.air needs to look at the headers for proof.  H > Anyone who's been around long enough instantly recognizes the writing J > style, the recurring misspellings, the newsgroup flooding/trolling that E > has been going on around the clock for  years on end, the same old  K > prejudices, the same old stale agenda, and above all, the foaming at the 2K > mouth hatred/envy of the USA.  No one could successfully impersonate JF; >  > no one else is that deranged.   J That's nice. But kindly stop cross-posting it to low-traffic groups where  it's way off topic.    Follow-up set.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:23:37 -0500c& From: WoofWoof <oftenbark@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: NEWS2 again....+ Message-ID: <40170F19.B0E167A6@hotmail.com>   
 edo wrote:  L > Not that anybody in rec.travel.air needs to look at the headers for proof.R > Anyone who's been around long enough instantly recognizes the writing style, theP > recurring misspellings, the newsgroup flooding/trolling that has been going onQ > around the clock for  years on end, the same old prejudices, the same old staleiQ > agenda, and above all, the foaming at the mouth hatred/envy of the USA.  No one B > could successfully impersonate JF; no one else is that deranged.  ; Ok, fine .... but could you old-hand header-readers over in < rec.travel.air realise that, by failing to trim the originalD cross-posted groups, what you are doing with your vendetta amount toC spamming. Which makes you as bad as you claim him to be in everyone- else's eyes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:00:51 -0800r* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>" Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 Compilers2 Message-ID: <YeidnXjTk63oXovd4p2dnA@mpowercom.net>  3 "John Reagan" <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote in messageo- news:pjwRb.13164$Og3.7381@news.cpqcorp.net...m: > Also, not to be a broken record, not all of the compilerB > engineers were transferred to Intel.  What am I?  Chopped liver? >yI Considering the way HP has massive layoffs and offshore transfers you maybK well find out the answer to chopped liver at any moment.  What's to stop HPgK from moving compilers to Hyderabad?  It may be the only way to keep Itaniumz; development profitable given the (lack of) volume of sales.R    Jack Peacock3   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:01:58 GMTe& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>" Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 Compilers3 Message-ID: <alARb.13204$7B3.5647@news.cpqcorp.net>"  P Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:F > The HP compilers are running big endian, I don't know what the IntelC > Compiler does but I think the SGI historically are little-endian.i  ; The Intel compiler on IPF operates on Linux, which boots in E little-endian mode. My recollection of SGI history is that MIPS was ag big-endian processor.   
 rick jones -- sG oxymoron n, commuter in a gas-guzzling luxury SUV with an American flagkF these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:42:43 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>a" Subject: RE: OpenVMS I64 Compilers9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOEJCCLAA.tom@kednos.com>      -----Original Message-----G   From: Rick Jones [mailto:raj@tardy.cup.hp.com]On Behalf Of Rick JonesS)   Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 1:02 PM    To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comy$   Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 Compilers      $   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 0   <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:H   > The HP compilers are running big endian, I don't know what the IntelE   > Compiler does but I think the SGI historically are little-endian.    =   The Intel compiler on IPF operates on Linux, which boots intG   little-endian mode. My recollection of SGI history is that MIPS was al   big-endian processor.s  F I may be wrong here, but I think ALL processors other than Digital and Microsoft have been big Endian.i      rick jones   -- nI   oxymoron n, commuter in a gas-guzzling luxury SUV with an American flagrH   these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)C   feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...       ---c(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/2004h    ---e& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/2004i   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2004 16:16:43 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)A" Subject: RE: OpenVMS I64 Compilers3 Message-ID: <vArzBt3MHhBk@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  _ In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOEJCCLAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   H > I may be wrong here, but I think ALL processors other than Digital and! > Microsoft have been big Endian.s  - I don't think Microsoft ever made processors.e   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 03:26:21 +0000 (UTC) % From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase) " Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64 Compilers( Message-ID: <bv7a4t$53p$1@pcls4.std.com>  3 In article <alARb.13204$7B3.5647@news.cpqcorp.net>,u( Rick Jones  <foo@bar.baz.invalid> wrote:R > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:  H > > The HP compilers are running big endian, I don't know what the IntelE > > Compiler does but I think the SGI historically are little-endian.f > = > The Intel compiler on IPF operates on Linux, which boots inrG > little-endian mode. My recollection of SGI history is that MIPS was a  > big-endian processor.h  F It's a bi-endian processor, so it can be run in either a big or littleG endian mode.  I'm not sure about the earliest versions of architecture,o* but everything from R3000 on is bi-endian.   -brian.w -- eF --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----+ Font-o-Meter!      Proportional  Monospacede'                                       ^>   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:58:12 GMT3L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: paging JCC06 Message-ID: <00A2C86E.72D3C938@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  G I figure some of the JCC people read comp.os.vms, which might be a way  F to let them know about problems with mail delivery there in case they  don't know it already.  H I tried to post to the oraclerdb mailing list there and got bounces lastI night and tonight which seemed to point to DNS problems, which I gatherednI meant that the MX record pointed to a system that wasn't in the DNS, but g I could have misinterpreted it.s  J I'll post my intended Rdb post separately, with a more informative message line.s   -- Alanm   --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056tM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025eO ===============================================================================m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:38:50 -0500i0 From: "Jeff Morgan" <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com>/ Subject: Re: Parity Error on Removable MO disks- Message-ID: <bv6iad$2d0a$1@news3.infoave.net>o  L I remember the exact same error message using one of these 300MB drives on a VAXstation 3100.  H So in my fit of instant stupidty, I ran ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR to see if it could clean up the bad files.u   Hah!  L Analyze kicked out an interesting repeating error message along the lines of, "File header lost but don't be concerned..."  C (this is a remembrance from 14 years ago, but I am totally serious)b  . Somebody in engineering has a sense of humour.  I At the end, the entire disk was wiped clean and the files were destroyed.a  , And the DCL prompt sat there grinning at me.  J Reformatted and initialized the MO drive and the platter worked just fine.   Beware Magneto Optical drives!  ,                                         Jeff    4 "Simon" <simon.adaway@ukaea.org.uk> wrote in message7 news:b2d9b89e.0401260540.78b39f09@posting.google.com...C > Hi,  >lH > We have data on some Magneto Opticals (MO's) that goes back some time.H > There are no longer drives that will write to the format ~300MByte perE > side @512bytes/sector. This would not be a problem since the new HPgH > drives, can read but not write that format - and read is what we need. > E > This would be OK. When I mount the disk, the system (Open VMS V7.3)eB > will report 'volume is write-locked' ...but the data is there soH > that's great - this figures. But some disks report 'parity error' whenG > I try and mount ,and then gives up. Now we can't do fixes to the disk H > since we can't mount it - and even if we could, we are write-locked by" > the old format? So are we stuck? >  > Right? >h > Simon    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:23:04 GMT 2 From: "William Hymen" <t18_pilot@hotmail.spam.com> Subject: Testing for file B Message-ID: <cxBRb.27858$i4.8524@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>  * I would like to test for a particlar file,  and skip a routine if it exists.   For example, if file(s) -2   MY_DISK:[BASE.SUB1]*.ACX;*   exist, then goto past. Whay would my dcl code be?   Thanks in advance-   Bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:39:17 GMTa6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Testing for fileg= Message-ID: <pMBRb.16828$H61.7789@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>g   You could use something like:    $!. $ FILE1=F$SEARCH("MY_DISK:[BASE.SUB1]*.ACX",1)# $ IF FILE1 .EQS. "" THEN GOTO TTTAF  $! $ <something happens here> $! $ TTTAF:     See  $ help lexical f$searchn   or check the DCL dictionary)    = "William Hymen" <t18_pilot@hotmail.spam.com> wrote in messagen< news:cxBRb.27858$i4.8524@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net..., > I would like to test for a particlar file," > and skip a routine if it exists. >  > For example, if file(s) -o >s > MY_DISK:[BASE.SUB1]*.ACX;* >  > exist, then goto past. > Whay would my dcl code be? >t > Thanks in advance- >n > Bill >w >e >  >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:46:08 -0600t( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Re: Testing for file@1 Message-ID: <04012719460821@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>:  , > I would like to test for a particlar file," > and skip a routine if it exists. >  > For example, if file(s) -o >  > MY_DISK:[BASE.SUB1]*.ACX;* >  > exist, then goto past. > Whay would my dcl code be? >  > Thanks in advance- >  > Bill  E $ if (f$search("MY_DISK:[BASE.SUB1]*.ACX;*") .nes. "") then goto past>    
 Reference    $ HELP LEXICAL F$SEARCHs       J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administratoro* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:42:48 +0000sO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>-I Subject: Re: The Register: OpenVMS among most-secure of operating systems / Message-ID: <bv6bf8$le$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>n   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:0 > In article <bv67pu$skp$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > ! >>david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:n >> >>>In article <bv5j9c$lhs$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:m >>>c >>>e >>>>Bob Koehler wrote: >>>> >>>>f >>>>>In article <erd210pggj66tjjn5navnfp4ei2arg0l13@4ax.com>, jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> writes: >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>> K >>>>>>On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:07:04 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 4 >>>>>><Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >>>>>  >>>>>-> >>>>>>>Ironically OpenVMS has no EAL certification of any kind? >>>>>>>Solaris, AIX, HP-UX do. Perhaps instead of claiming thatd= >>>>>>>OpenVMS is secure you should cough up the cash and get@ >>>>>>>it evaluated. >>>>>>I >>>>>>EAL: is a new one to me.  I do know that specific configurations ofeO >>>>>>OpenVMS, layered products, and hardware have acheived very high govermentoP >>>>>>security ratings (U.S. Fed).  It has been, and is still even, used in some( >>>>>>exceptionally high-security areas. >>>>>> >>>>>e >>>>>n >>>>>  EAL is a joke.n >>>>>u >>>>7 >>>>Tell that to NIST and the NSA in fact tell it to HPW' >>>>they put HP-UX through EAL testing.s >>>> >>>> >>>>J >>>>>  Since Solaris and W2K have EAL certifications I thought it must be G >>>>>  pretty meaningless.  I tracked down some definitions and finallyI? >>>>>  found a web site (nist.gov) which explained some things.  >>>>>n >>>>= >>>>Amusing, you claim to be someone who knows about computern@ >>>>security but you had never heard of the only internationallyA >>>>agreed standard for certifying systems and network componentsn >>> : >>>>from a security standpoint its also a standard that is >>>v >>>b2 >>>>required for most UK/US/EU government systems. >>>> >>>> >>>>Rather revealing.  >>>> >>>> >>>>F >>>>>  EAL certification is part of a pretty high level international M >>>>>  aggreement on computer security issues.  To be EAL certified you have  M >>>>>  to meet some ISO-9000 like requirements, including things like having  O >>>>>  an org chart.  I looked for more meaningfull security requirements, but m8 >>>>>  if there are any they must be pretty well hidden. >>>>>  >>>>L >>>>"EAL4 (see Table 6.5) provides assurance by an analysis of the security H >>>>functions, using a functional and complete interface specification, L >>>>guidance documentation, the high-level and low-level design of the TOE, C >>>>and a subset of the implementation, to understand the security dM >>>>behaviour. Assurance is additionally gained through an informal model of   >>>>the TOE security policy. >>>>I >>>>The analysis is supported by independent testing of the TOE security aE >>>>functions, evidence of developer testing based on the functional hL >>>>specification and high-level design, selective independent confirmation K >>>>of the developer test results, strength of function analysis, evidence  B >>>>of a developer search for vulnerabilities, and an independent M >>>>vulnerability analysis demonstrating resistance to penetration attackers p! >>>>with a low attack potential."r >>>>B >>>>I put the EAL4 description down because is what HP-UX, AIX and >>>>Solaris have.  >>>>J >>>>As a matter of interest ever wondered why the tests are run in "labs". >>>> >>>>Regardsd >>>>Andrew Harrisoni >>>> >>>  >>>   >>>For another view of EAL 4 see >>>a. >>>http://eros.cs.jhd.edu/~shap/NT-EAL4.html   >>>e >>>e >> >>Error  >>: >>    The requested item could not be loaded by the proxy. >>I >>    Netscape Proxy is unable to locate the server: eros.cs.jhd.edu The cJ >>server does not have a DNS entry. Check the server name in the Location  >>(URL) and try again. >>< >>Its certainly a different view of EAL4 though probably not >>quite what you meant.d >> >  >  > Sorry mistyped the URL  tryc > - > http://eros.cs.jhu.edu/~shap/NT-EAL4.html  1 >  >   ( Its OK your typing was fine in the other	 response.t  ) An example of the advantages of not usingN cut and paste.   regardse Andrew Harrison< >  > 
 >>>David Webbr >>>VMS and Unix team leader] >>>CCSS  >>>Middlesex Universityd >>>F >>>d >>>r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:41:20 +0000gO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>nI Subject: Re: The Register: OpenVMS among most-secure of operating systemsm/ Message-ID: <bv6bch$le$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>.   jlsue wrote:G > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:38:24 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancye0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >  >>jlsue wrote: >>H >>>On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:12:32 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy1 >>><Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:d >>>  >>L >>>Well, neither.  Those aren't the only two possibilities.  First off, you,D >>>once again, *assume* that everything released to CERT "admit[s] aN >>>vulnerability".  This is not necessarily the case.  It may be possible thatG >>>the patch was necessary, but that it didn't actually plug a specificE4 >>>security hole, only made the code work correctly. >>>  >>E >>Look when you provide an advisory that says OpenVMS/OpenVMS layeredo@ >>product is vunerable, apply patch such and such, or upgrade to@ >>release such and such then how much leaway do you really think< >>there is for your argument that there may not in fact be a >>vunerability ??  >  > I > LOTS of leeway.  You've got to actually read the report/advisory to seeg > what it does for OpenVMS./ >   D Sure I have it crashes the system what more do you need to know LAND (Ask the Wizard)2 Sure I have it allows you to overwrite any file in* the system, what more do you need to know. POP security hole16 http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/6X00T0K5QK.html3 Sure I have it crashes a process that causes a DOS,  what more do you need to know. Mutinet MUP report.t    : The problem is that some of these are from CERT advisories7 or at least patch reports that refer to CERT advisoriest% some are not and there are many more.h  9 http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/6X00T0K5QK.html isi not from any CERT advisory.     M > Some have already pointed out to you the fallacy of this argument with somenJ > of the "specific" CERTs that you've presented here.  For some reason youE > choose to ignore arguments that run counter to your personal taste.e >   > Faced with overwhelming evidence that they are wrong why would6 I be interested in their views on falacy or otherwise.  ; Sorry but you really don't seem to understand that the casea3 you are trying to advance has already been trashed.o     > F >>CERT is where people provide responses to identified vunerabilities,B >>there have been plenty of examples of OpenVMS being vunerable toA >>CERT exploits without any admitted vunerability or patch for itm> >>being posted but are you seriously suggesting that sometimes? >>you have also admitted to a vunerability and provided a patchw >>when you were not vunerable ?r >  > L > So, if a vulnerability in some opensource utility is reported to CERT, andM > the OpenVMS version is found to do nothing more than cause process deletionEG > of the "server" process - while allowing other server processes to beeM > re-created when the next request comes in - then this is cause for concern.uL > But not all concerns are of equal value.  They will be fixed and publishedM > in CERT because that's where it was originally reported, but the won't be a( > real security threat.  >   E Except that in this instance they were fixed but not reported to CERT  if you are refering to Bind.  . In otherwords the security issue was obscured.  L > I really don't see why you refuse to follow this simple line of reasoning. >   6 I would if the facts didn't detroy it but they do, the3 example you refered to doesn't have a CERT advisorye4 posted for it, you have to look in the patch report.   > 4 >>Does the latter behaviour balance out the former ? >>N >>>I have seen several of these kinds of bugs over the years.  In one way, theF >>>bug would affect the operation of the affected piece of TCP/IP (forI >>>example), but it would NOT open up a security vulnerability to the OS. I >>>Some of the buffer overflow issues are good examples.  I've seen casesnJ >>>where, indeed, the code on VMS did have the buffer overflow bug, but itH >>>would NOT allow privileged access (or any unauthorized) access to theN >>>system.  In some of the cases it would only cause the "listener" process toN >>>die, but this didn't cause a problem because on the next user connection itL >>>would just be re-created and processing would continue without any notice >>>to the users. >>>aL >>>And, yes, CERT would be the place to release such patches because CERT is< >>>where people concerned with the patch are likely to look. >>>gL >>>I'm sure I'm wasting my fingers trying to explain all that to you, but itL >>>would realy help if you accept that some people actually DO have in-depthM >>>experience in these areas, and that you should possibly at least hear them'J >>>out... unless, of course,  you're willing to spend more time doing realJ >>>work on the systems in question to attain enough experience to have the0 >>>credibility needed to discuss it any further. >>>i >>G >>The problem is that the facts contradict you and the other choristersaJ >>and instead you have to base your arguments what isn't a very convincingE >>hypothesis. Not convincing because your CERT advisories, your patchtA >>reports and the advice of your technical experts contradict it.h >  > I > What so-called facts are those?  All you've done is show that some CERTeJ > advisories have been issued.  However others have already shown you thatM > these did not necessarily open a hole in VMS security.  This isn't true forwJ > all of the CERT advisories, but it has been shown to be true for some of? > the one's you've presented here as your supporting-evidence. r >   < Again you seem to have lost the plot. CERT advisories can be= actual exploits in the wild or potential exploits. If we werea6 to remove all the potential but never seen in the wild7 exploits from CERT then the CERT advisory list would be  somewhat smaller.c   > K >>>Please don't take that in an overly critical way.  But there are some intE >>>here who actually work(ed) in security engineering who have a real M >>>background to lend credibility to what they're saying.  If you're not evenNM >>>willing to consider what they're saying, you're not helping your case any.  >>>  >>8 >>Please don't take this the wrong way but so far no one8 >>who has responded to this thread to support your point7 >>has been at all credible ............................20 >>.......................... including yourself. >  > L > And you're experience and knowledge of OpenVMS and it's security issues is > based on what? >   ? Nothing whatsoever, but I don't need to because I have at leastd4 read the  patch reports and the reports submitted by. third parties and the Ask the Wizard reponses.  ; All these prove that your view of OpenVMS security is based-< on you knowing just enough for you to be dangerous. Based on= this you appear to have a cast iron certainty that I am wrongeB which is sadly counterbalanced by an overwhelming body of evidence that I am right.  L > If you want to prove us wrong, feel free to get the source listings of theL > OS and present the security holes you find.  Those who *have* viewed theseA > listings have tried to counter you, but you fail to realize it.c > G > And some folks in here have actually worked in OpenVMS engineering onSL > security-related issues, and yet you somehow discount their credibility as
 > well...   > Yes because Compaqs own documentation and responses to support requests contradict them.e    M > Please, regale us with your security background, especially with respect to $ > your experience in the OpenVMS OS. >     What difference does this make ? > ; >>Again you would be incorrect, you may have forgotten thato; >>the POP hole was not uncovered by OpenVMS engineering buta: >>by a third party who has documented their exchanges with >>the engineering team.a >> >  > J > Which only proves an exception exists, it does not prove a rule.  If youI > understand statistical analysis, surely you understand that you need attH > least 30 *randomly* chosen data points to draw significant statistical; > conclusions.  And even then you'd have an +/- error rate.  >   - Ohh interesting spin nice Rob Young Esq stuff 1 So now you are suggesting that your collegues areo only a bit wrong !   Regards  Andrew Harrisonw   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2004 14:59:05 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)u4 Subject: Re: VMS's Stability Prompts Move To Itanium< Message-ID: <cf15391e.0401271459.714f1df@posting.google.com>  Z paul@wren.cc.kux.edu wrote in message news:<vrrt00hf1n9st9g9s7ujt7sna5o3ra7eh1@4ax.com>...a > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=74&ncid=74&e=12&u=/cmp/20040121/tc_cmp/17500090o  * I like this URL for the story much better:J http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml;?articleID=17500090  @ It's nice to see news about VMS hitting the mainstream computing press.  C Information Week hits the desks of a lot of CIOs and other computer.F professionals.  I haven't seen much mention of VMS there over the pastC few years.  There will be a lot of folks who say "I thought VMS wasrB dead -- I guess not" when they see this, and I think this exposure will be very helpful to VMS.  4 Also enjoyed the ComputerWeekly article from the UK.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:27:59 -0500t. From: "Goetz Ulrich" <ulrichg---n-o-t@gmx.net>, Subject: X11 via SSH from OpenVMS to Win20000 Message-ID: <vvadnbphPtnNjYrdRVn-jQ@comcast.com>  L Does anybody has a working example of setting up X11 via SSH from an OpenVMS node to a Win2000 client ?J I checked the HP documentation on SSH on TCPIP V5.4 but the given examples were not working for me.   My configuration:a OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 TCP/IP V5.4c Windows 2000
 SecureCRT 4.0d   Here is what I did:o' I disabled all security on the X serverf! I started the X server (Exceed 7) D I logged in successful to OpenVMS with the SecureCRT. I get an FTAx:	 terminal.dG Of course I checked the X11 port forwarding box in the SecureCRT optiont	 settings.   L Goal: To run an X-Client from the OpenVMS through the existing SSH tunnel to show up at the Win2000 PC.   I tried several combinations:gF - set or not set >>> SET DISP/CREA/NODE=localhost/TRANS=TCPIP/SERVER=3J - running $ MC DECW$CLOCK or $ CREA/TERM with or without the above settingJ - running $ SSH -"L"6003:localhost:6000 NONOVMSHOST  (<<< BTW: What to set here correct ?!?!)   Finally all I get is either:0 %DECW-E-CANT_OPEN_DISPL, Can't open display   or/ %DWT-F-NOMSG, Message number 03AB8204   or both    What do I do wrong here ?n   Goetz    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 03:32:48 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG0 Subject: Re: X11 via SSH from OpenVMS to Win20000 Message-ID: <00A2C8AD.F6848ACB@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <vvadnbphPtnNjYrdRVn-jQ@comcast.com>, "Goetz Ulrich" <ulrichg---n-o-t@gmx.net> writes:nM >Does anybody has a working example of setting up X11 via SSH from an OpenVMSe >node to a Win2000 client ?rK >I checked the HP documentation on SSH on TCPIP V5.4 but the given examplese >were not working for me.r >e >My configuration: >OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2l >TCP/IP V5.4
 >Windows 2000v >SecureCRT 4.0 >e >Here is what I did:( >I disabled all security on the X server" >I started the X server (Exceed 7)E >I logged in successful to OpenVMS with the SecureCRT. I get an FTAx:a
 >terminal.H >Of course I checked the X11 port forwarding box in the SecureCRT option
 >settings. >'M >Goal: To run an X-Client from the OpenVMS through the existing SSH tunnel toI >show up at the Win2000 PC.a >e >I tried several combinations:G >- set or not set >>> SET DISP/CREA/NODE=localhost/TRANS=TCPIP/SERVER=3gK >- running $ MC DECW$CLOCK or $ CREA/TERM with or without the above settingoK >- running $ SSH -"L"6003:localhost:6000 NONOVMSHOST  (<<< BTW: What to set- >here correct ?!?!)a >  >Finally all I get is either:-1 >%DECW-E-CANT_OPEN_DISPL, Can't open display   orp0 >%DWT-F-NOMSG, Message number 03AB8204   or both >6 >What do I do wrong here ? >A >Goetz  L As much as I'd like to pin this on Billywarez, the truth is that the SSH X11L port forwarding as prescribed in the SSH documentation simply does not work.  C You may have to wait until the next version to see if it will work.e   --B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.h -- vK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMl            l5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" s   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.054 ************************