1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 04 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 367       Contents:+ Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)  Re: Booting VAX from tape % French Belgian LK201 keyboard wanted. = Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article = Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article = Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article / interfacing dec basic to web based applications 3 Re: interfacing dec basic to web based applications 
 Re: mbxtap Re: OpenVMS Pearls and stuff  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 11:35:35 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)0 Message-ID: <00A34521.F816DD39@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <b096a4ee.0407032017.4790277c@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:t >spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<b096a4ee.0407031452.44d1405a@posting.google.com>...[ >> VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A34466.DF327C1B@SendSpamHere.ORG>... r >> > In article <b096a4ee.0407021651.2b10516@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:^ >> > >VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A343BD.30DC270B@SendSpamHere.ORG>...y >> > >> In article <cf15391e.0407020711.41e39aa2@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes: x >> > >> >"Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<2jogvgF13v4e6U1@uni-berlin.de>...P >> > >> >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/accuweather/accunews.html	 >> > >> > ) >> > >> >The URL for this has changed to: K >> > >> >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/accuweather/index.html  >> > >>  >> > >> This is old news...  >[...]H >> So maybe it was posted previously on cov and somehow I missed it amidI >> the noise. So what? YOU'RE the one who took eleven days to throw a wet C >> towel on some good news. There is so little good news these days G >> (perhaps always?!) so just relax. ... Take your shows off. ... Sit a > >> spell. ... Y'all come back now, ... ya hear? [sic?.OR.IIRC] > * >Uh, make that "...Take your shoes off..."   I don't wear shoes.  --  B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:59:08 +0100" From: "SCC" <simonc99@hotmail.com>" Subject: Re: Booting VAX from tape+ Message-ID: <cc92fd02279@news4.newsguy.com>   ) Hey thanks everyone... that's fixed it...    Cheers! 7 "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> wrote in message $ news:2kol4bF4pos7U1@uni-berlin.de...L > After I read the other threads I understand that your problem is access to > the media H > because the CDrom drive on the 3100 is not working properly. Try this: >   > You can boot simh from the CD.H > If so then you can probably remember if you created a system disk with
 > support for I > a cluster. If you did select cluster support, fine; otherwise do it all  over > again.7 > Next, log in to the SIMH VAX and run @CLUSTER_CONFIG.  > It's a two step approach: $ > 1 create a cluster capable machine, > 2 add a boot root to the simh distribution > E > Then: boot the real VAX off the SIMH VAX and transfer the VMS073.%,  > TCPIP*.PCSI files D > to a harddisk local to the real VAX. Copy them all to the [000000]	 directory  > of a hard disk. J > Make sure you have two harddisks on the real VAX. The other one is going to > be the actual I > system disk, so select the smallest disk to hold the distribution kits.  >  > Final step: on SIMH VAX :  > 5 > $ backup/image dka300:[000000]vms073.b/save dka100:  > L > When finished, boot the real vax from DKA100 and continue the installation > procedure. > K > Legally you need a VAXcluster license on both machines to make this work. 
 > Technically J > you don't need them. I'm pretty sure HP won't mind that and besides, you can 
 > download > the licenses from Montagar.  > & > If you need more details let us now. >  > Hans > 1 > "SCC" <simonc99@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht ' > news:cc6gfq0111s@news1.newsguy.com...  > > Howdy... > > J > > I have a VAXstation 3100 M76, 32MB RAM, and a Montagnar Hobbyist CD of > > VMS7.3.  > > G > > I've transferred a copy of this CDROM (with 'dd') to a 4GB DAT tape ! > > (/dev/rmt0) on a Sun Ultra 2.  > > I > > I bodged a connection from the DAT Drive to the Expansion Unit's SCSI  BUS  > onE > > the VAX. The drive is recognised within the boot monitor. E.g., :  > >  > > >>> show devH > >  VMS/VMB  ULTRIX    ADDR    DEVTYP  NUMBYTES  RM/FX  WP  DEVNAM  REVI > >  -------  ------  --------  ------  --------  -----  --  ------  ---   > >  ESA0     SE0     08-0 > > H > >  DKA200   RZ2     A/2/0/00  DISK     1.05 GB   FX        RZ26L  442D% > >  ...HostID....    A/6       INITR H > >  DKA700   RZ7     A/7/0/00  DISK    ........   RM    WP  RX23   0054 > > H > >  MKB0     TZ8     B/0/0/00  TAPE    ........   RM        Python 596A% > >  ...HostID....    B/6       INITR  > >  > > If I then try a  > >  > > >>> boot mkb0  > > H > > The tape is accessed for a long time - the light on the front of the drive L > > flashes throughout (and the drive makes noises), so presumably something > is > > being read from the tape.  > > / > > Eventually (after about 15 minutes) I get :  > > 	 > > -MKB0  > > ?50 SCB2NDINT, MKB0  > > ?06 HLT INST > >     PC = 00000B51  > > E > > Looks like it means that there was an "Unexpected exception after  startingK > > program image"... oh dear - sounds bad! Could it be the boot medium, or  > the 
 > > CD image?  > > ; > > Anyone have any ideas - I'm really stuck with this one!  > >  > > Many thanks... > > 
 > > Simon. > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 13:39:00 GMT , From: Diego CLAEYS <diego.claeys@pandora.be>. Subject: French Belgian LK201 keyboard wanted.< Message-ID: <ULTFc.174278$cY6.8477791@phobos.telenet-ops.be>   Hi VMS Friends,   I I'm living in Belgium and I'm lookin for a LK201 belgian-french keyboard.    Please help, thanks.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 02:24:16 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>F Subject: Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article2 Message-ID: <0dadnXWUEcrKP3rdRVn-tA@metrocast.net>  4 "David Svensson" <icerq4a@spray.se> wrote in message7 news:734da31c.0407022259.5c0ad658@posting.google.com... 7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message . news:<nJOdnUQHfNGjFXjdRVn-vg@metrocast.net>...8 > > "David Svensson" <icerq4a@spray.se> wrote in message; > > news:734da31c.0407020412.5fe9a2dd@posting.google.com... ; > > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message 3 > >  news:<1cGdnc3uNb7upHnd4p2dnA@metrocast.net>...  > > > > J > > > > Many servers do run such loads.  But for single-thread loads, it's
 > >  entirely K > > > > possible that Xeon could emulate Itanic with acceptable performance  (at I > > > > least if Xeon's 64-bit performance is somewhere nearly as good as  > >  Opteron's, 3 > > > > something which has yet to be ascertained).  > > > G > > > You usually have good comments, but this one was bad. You have to  admit 
 > >  that. > > > H > > > Emulating IA64 on x86-64 would not provide acceptable performance. > > > / > > > You know more than that to understand it.  > > K > > You seem to have ignored the context of the statement:  it applied only  toJ > > those few applications (approaching zero today, and there's no obviousL > > reason that number should increase significantly unless Itanic sales do)I > > which would not also be able to run natively on the x86 platform - in  other H > > words, the same argument that people are using today to suggest thatL > > Itanic's x86 emulation is adequate (because any applications that reallyI > > care will be ported), except that the number of applications affected  would ( > > be far less in the case I described. > > 
 > > - bill > H > If there would be such few applications I see no reason reason to haveG > an emulator at all as there will hardly be any IA64-only applications 2 > that customers can't run on other architectures.  F Well, if no emulator at all would be acceptable in your view, then anyI emulator should be able to have 'acceptable' performance, I'd say - which K was my point, though you seem to have taken it to an extreme (albeit not an K unreasonable one:  I suspect that any need for Itanic emulation may well be I far down in the noise, save possibly for HP customers using OSs that have   been stranded on that platform).   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 10:56:16 +0200* From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>F Subject: Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article- Message-ID: <cc8gnl$2728$1@news.cybercity.dk>   + "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> wrote in message ' news:cc4i64$148m$1@news.cybercity.dk... L > Well Andrew, I know that HP and plenty of hacks echoing HP have constantlyL > used the "Industry standard" moniker for Itanium, which is why I asked forJ > INTEL specific references.  I have this sneaking suspicion, that HP made the L > "Industry standard" thing up and that INTEL might never have actually have: > mentioned "Itanic" & "Industry Standard" simultaneously.  # I searched Intel site using Google: { http://www.google.com/search?q=+itanium+%22Industry+Standard+%22+site:intel.com&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&as_qdr=all&start=10&sa=N   K Look into the concluding remarks.  Intel puts its word in a way so that the G reader would conclude that Intel thinks Itanic is an industry standard. N http://www.intel.com/business/bss/products/server/itanium2/quick_reference.pdfK http://www.intel.com/business/bss/swapps/server2003/itanium2_server2003.pdf H http://www.intel.com/business/bss/products/server/itanium2/ecosystem.pdf  * In this page Intel lets a customer say it:@ http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20031103comp.htm@ http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20031217corp.htm  ) In this paper Intel writes it themselves: 7 http://www.intel.com/business/casestudies/chuvashia.pdf M http://www.intel.com/business/bss/products/server/itanium2/ibm_db2_server.pdf : http://www.intel.com/business/casestudies/lower_saxony.pdf  7 Here Intel calls HPs servers "industry standard based": @ http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20030421comp.htm@ http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20031202corp.htm   Then I got tired searching.   J Conclusion:  Intel does say it, but not frequently.  You have to search toL find it.  I did not find it in the product description when I clicked my way down from the home page.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 19:21:50 +0200  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>F Subject: Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article, Message-ID: <cc9ebf$50b$1@news.cybercity.dk>   Karsten Nyblad wrote: - > "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> wrote in message ) > news:cc4i64$148m$1@news.cybercity.dk... B >> Well Andrew, I know that HP and plenty of hacks echoing HP haveE >> constantly used the "Industry standard" moniker for Itanium, which F >> is why I asked for INTEL specific references.  I have this sneakingD >> suspicion, that HP made the "Industry standard" thing up and thatF >> INTEL might never have actually have mentioned "Itanic" & "Industry >> Standard" simultaneously. > % > I searched Intel site using Google:  > { http://www.google.com/search?q=+itanium+%22Industry+Standard+%22+site:intel.com&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&as_qdr=all&start=10&sa=N  > D > Look into the concluding remarks.  Intel puts its word in a way so? > that the reader would conclude that Intel thinks Itanic is an  > industry standard. > N http://www.intel.com/business/bss/products/server/itanium2/quick_reference.pdf > K http://www.intel.com/business/bss/swapps/server2003/itanium2_server2003.pdf J > http://www.intel.com/business/bss/products/server/itanium2/ecosystem.pdf > , > In this page Intel lets a customer say it:B > http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20031103comp.htmB > http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20031217corp.htm > + > In this paper Intel writes it themselves: 9 > http://www.intel.com/business/casestudies/chuvashia.pdf  > M http://www.intel.com/business/bss/products/server/itanium2/ibm_db2_server.pdf < > http://www.intel.com/business/casestudies/lower_saxony.pdf > 9 > Here Intel calls HPs servers "industry standard based": B > http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20030421comp.htmB > http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20031202corp.htm >  > Then I got tired searching.  > B > Conclusion:  Intel does say it, but not frequently.  You have toG > search to find it.  I did not find it in the product description when + > I clicked my way down from the home page.    A pretty thin list.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 15:05:29 GMT / From: "Craig Marburger" <craigm2@earthlink.net> 8 Subject: interfacing dec basic to web based applicationsB Message-ID: <Z0VFc.5195$oD3.5142@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>  L I have data in rms databases and that uses dec basic.  How would I interfaceL the database with the internet(http web based).  What software or interfacesK would I use to accomplish this?  Is there any web links with information on 7 how to accomplish this.  I have tcpip, vms Version 7.2.    Craig Marburger  craig@marburgerdairy.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 17:36:42 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")< Subject: Re: interfacing dec basic to web based applications6 Message-ID: <00A3453B.429C210E@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  t In article <Z0VFc.5195$oD3.5142@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Craig Marburger" <craigm2@earthlink.net> writes:  M >I have data in rms databases and that uses dec basic.  How would I interface M >the database with the internet(http web based).  What software or interfaces L >would I use to accomplish this?  Is there any web links with information on8 >how to accomplish this.  I have tcpip, vms Version 7.2.  K It's unclear whether you want to interface your data files or your existing K applications.  The joy of RMS files is that they exist independently of the I language that created them and can be fairly readily accessed either from , other languages or through utility programs.  J You could run a webserver on your VMS system and edit your BASIC programs  to work as CGIs.  J You could get a product like Connx that serves up your RMS files over ODBCE and then use a database and webserver on some other system to provide G access to those files.  (Or do that and use some ODBC-speaking language F (PHP, Perl) tow rite new applications that run on your own machine.)    J You could use some tool (there was one called Supernova;  I think the nameE has changed again, but it's sold by WRQ) to encapsulate your existing , applications and run them under a webserver.  B For any more detailed answer, you need to be more detailed in yourA question. Are there specific other systems with which you need to E interface?  Are you running on VAX or Alpha?  (No Apache/CSWS on VAX, D although OSU and WASD webservers run fine.)  What do you need to do?   -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jul 2004 06:30:29 -0700  From: ijm@uk2.net (I)  Subject: Re: mbxtap = Message-ID: <384b6c37.0407040530.3a75a991@posting.google.com>   U Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:<cc3ha4$i93$1@lore.csc.com>... 
 > I wrote: > 3 > You can try MBOX, Neill Clift's mail box utility:  > . > http://www.yrl.co.uk/~phil/pds/pds.html#MBOX  ? I am familiar with MBOX. I am seeking information on the mbxtap  product previously mentioned.    ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 08:08:37 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearls and stuff 0 Message-ID: <newscache$cnib0i$nmg$1@news.sil.at>  q In article <857e9e41.0407031804.61742a12@posting.google.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes: G >As you may know I distribute OpenVMS Pearls on a pretty regular basis. A > In fact I send email out to my external email distribution list  >pretty much daily.   B I only got 2 or 3 mails from you since you (wrote you) added me...  E >                   Unfortuntaly I do not often have time to also put E >the information in the newsgroup.  There is a boot camp distribution E >which is seperate (NDA).  Obviously this is pretty much folks that I E >know if you want to be included just let me know.  I can not add you % >with out email from you (HP policy).  >  >Just let me know.  ) Yes, please add me to your pearls list...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.367 ************************