1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 05 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 368       Contents:+ Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!) + Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)  Re: Booting VAX from tape = Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article = Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article = Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article  Re: Itanium Porting Class  Re: Itanium Porting Class  Re: VMS on VAXstation 3100 M76  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 18:50:14 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)+ Message-ID: <40E897B6.9878572D@comcast.net>   ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > p > In article <b096a4ee.0407032017.4790277c@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:	 > >[snip] , > >Uh, make that "...Take your shoes off..." >  > I don't wear shoes.   * "Really? Looks like rubber boots to me...". (Cheech and Chong from "Blind Melon Chitlin'")   D.J.D.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jul 2004 22:49:38 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0407042149.702b6fbf@posting.google.com>   X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A34521.F816DD39@SendSpamHere.ORG>...p > In article <b096a4ee.0407032017.4790277c@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:v > >spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<b096a4ee.0407031452.44d1405a@posting.google.com>...] > >> VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A34466.DF327C1B@SendSpamHere.ORG>... t > >> > In article <b096a4ee.0407021651.2b10516@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:` > >> > >VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A343BD.30DC270B@SendSpamHere.ORG>...{ > >> > >> In article <cf15391e.0407020711.41e39aa2@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes: z > >> > >> >"Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<2jogvgF13v4e6U1@uni-berlin.de>...R > >> > >> >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/accuweather/accunews.html > >> > >> > + > >> > >> >The URL for this has changed to: M > >> > >> >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/accuweather/index.html 
 > >> > >>  > >> > >> This is old news...  >  [...]J > >> So maybe it was posted previously on cov and somehow I missed it amidK > >> the noise. So what? YOU'RE the one who took eleven days to throw a wet E > >> towel on some good news. There is so little good news these days I > >> (perhaps always?!) so just relax. ... Take your shows off. ... Sit a @ > >> spell. ... Y'all come back now, ... ya hear? [sic?.OR.IIRC] > > , > >Uh, make that "...Take your shoes off..." >  > I don't wear shoes.  > --  D > http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityE >                             solutions that others only claim to be.   5 Then it's that much easier as you can skip that step!    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 17:50:43 +0200, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>" Subject: Re: Booting VAX from tape* Message-ID: <2kr1s4F5d04nU1@uni-berlin.de>  I Did you figure out a way to make the CDROM drive behave or did you go the  simh/cluster way?     / "SCC" <simonc99@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht % news:cc92fd02279@news4.newsguy.com... + > Hey thanks everyone... that's fixed it...  > 	 > Cheers! 9 > "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> wrote in message & > news:2kol4bF4pos7U1@uni-berlin.de...K > > After I read the other threads I understand that your problem is access  to
 > > the media J > > because the CDrom drive on the 3100 is not working properly. Try this: > > " > > You can boot simh from the CD.J > > If so then you can probably remember if you created a system disk with > > support for K > > a cluster. If you did select cluster support, fine; otherwise do it all  > over
 > > again.9 > > Next, log in to the SIMH VAX and run @CLUSTER_CONFIG.  > > It's a two step approach: & > > 1 create a cluster capable machine. > > 2 add a boot root to the simh distribution > > G > > Then: boot the real VAX off the SIMH VAX and transfer the VMS073.%,  > > TCPIP*.PCSI files F > > to a harddisk local to the real VAX. Copy them all to the [000000] > directory  > > of a hard disk. L > > Make sure you have two harddisks on the real VAX. The other one is going > to > > be the actual K > > system disk, so select the smallest disk to hold the distribution kits.  > >  > > Final step: on SIMH VAX :  > > 7 > > $ backup/image dka300:[000000]vms073.b/save dka100:  > > A > > When finished, boot the real vax from DKA100 and continue the  installation > > procedure. > > G > > Legally you need a VAXcluster license on both machines to make this  work.  > > Technically L > > you don't need them. I'm pretty sure HP won't mind that and besides, you > can  > > download > > the licenses from Montagar.  > > ( > > If you need more details let us now. > >  > > Hans > > 3 > > "SCC" <simonc99@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht ) > > news:cc6gfq0111s@news1.newsguy.com...  > > > Howdy... > > > L > > > I have a VAXstation 3100 M76, 32MB RAM, and a Montagnar Hobbyist CD of
 > > > VMS7.3.  > > > I > > > I've transferred a copy of this CDROM (with 'dd') to a 4GB DAT tape # > > > (/dev/rmt0) on a Sun Ultra 2.  > > > K > > > I bodged a connection from the DAT Drive to the Expansion Unit's SCSI  > BUS  > > onG > > > the VAX. The drive is recognised within the boot monitor. E.g., :  > > >  > > > >>> show devJ > > >  VMS/VMB  ULTRIX    ADDR    DEVTYP  NUMBYTES  RM/FX  WP  DEVNAM  REVK > > >  -------  ------  --------  ------  --------  -----  --  ------  ---   > > >  ESA0     SE0     08-0 > > > J > > >  DKA200   RZ2     A/2/0/00  DISK     1.05 GB   FX        RZ26L  442D' > > >  ...HostID....    A/6       INITR J > > >  DKA700   RZ7     A/7/0/00  DISK    ........   RM    WP  RX23   0054 > > > J > > >  MKB0     TZ8     B/0/0/00  TAPE    ........   RM        Python 596A' > > >  ...HostID....    B/6       INITR  > > >  > > > If I then try a  > > >  > > > >>> boot mkb0  > > > J > > > The tape is accessed for a long time - the light on the front of the > drive D > > > flashes throughout (and the drive makes noises), so presumably	 something  > > is > > > being read from the tape.  > > > 1 > > > Eventually (after about 15 minutes) I get :  > > >  > > > -MKB0  > > > ?50 SCB2NDINT, MKB0  > > > ?06 HLT INST > > >     PC = 00000B51  > > > G > > > Looks like it means that there was an "Unexpected exception after 
 > startingJ > > > program image"... oh dear - sounds bad! Could it be the boot medium, or > > the  > > > CD image?  > > > = > > > Anyone have any ideas - I'm really stuck with this one!  > > >  > > > Many thanks... > > >  > > > Simon. > > >  > > >  > > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 21:22:02 +0200* From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>F Subject: Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article, Message-ID: <cc9lcs$bh8$1@news.cybercity.dk>  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message * news:87fz89vxyu.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com...$ > "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> writes: > D > > Can anyone show me anywhere in writing where INTEL (not HP) haveF > > said that EPIC will become "industry standard", as distinct from a7 > > high end server chip for specialised applications ?  > 9 > Google comp.arch through 95, 96, 97. Take a big bucket.  >  > Remember the Cheeta ad?  >  > --  > > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 6076, > comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot0 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.  K I tried searching groups.google.com and did not find anything.  I search on  Altavista.com.  Same result.  J It looks to me like Intel have been careful not to say "industry standard"F in public.  However, they must have been telling stories to industrialD analysts (Gartner, IDC, etc.) and computer producers.  Otherwise theH analysts would not have written those rosy predictions and the producers3 would not have put so many eggs in the EPIC basket.   + The last line of your signature is so true.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 20:10:21 GMT ' From: "Tom M" <kryios@spam.comcast.net> F Subject: Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article- Message-ID: <NuZFc.24004$XM6.21187@attbi_s53>   5 "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message & news:cc9lcs$bh8$1@news.cybercity.dk...; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message , > news:87fz89vxyu.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com...& > > "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> writes: > > F > > > Can anyone show me anywhere in writing where INTEL (not HP) haveH > > > said that EPIC will become "industry standard", as distinct from a9 > > > high end server chip for specialised applications ?  > > ; > > Google comp.arch through 95, 96, 97. Take a big bucket.  > >  > > Remember the Cheeta ad?  > >  > > --  @ > > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,; > > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. D > >                                              West Australia 6076. > > comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot2 > > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.J > > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be. > J > I tried searching groups.google.com and did not find anything.  I search on > Altavista.com.  Same result. > L > It looks to me like Intel have been careful not to say "industry standard"H > in public.  However, they must have been telling stories to industrialF > analysts (Gartner, IDC, etc.) and computer producers.  Otherwise theJ > analysts would not have written those rosy predictions and the producers5 > would not have put so many eggs in the EPIC basket.  > - > The last line of your signature is so true.  >  > H Same thing was said about UNIX.  Sadly in that case it didn't hold true.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jul 2004 01:58:01 GMT , From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)F Subject: Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article* Message-ID: <2krqt8F5lahuU1@uni-berlin.de>  , In article <cc9ebf$50b$1@news.cybercity.dk>,# 	"Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> writes:  > Karsten Nyblad wrote: . >> "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> wrote in message* >> news:cc4i64$148m$1@news.cybercity.dk...C >>> Well Andrew, I know that HP and plenty of hacks echoing HP have F >>> constantly used the "Industry standard" moniker for Itanium, whichG >>> is why I asked for INTEL specific references.  I have this sneaking E >>> suspicion, that HP made the "Industry standard" thing up and that G >>> INTEL might never have actually have mentioned "Itanic" & "Industry                  ^^^^^  >>> Standard" simultaneously.  >>& >> I searched Intel site using Google: >>} > http://www.google.com/search?q=+itanium+%22Industry+Standard+%22+site:intel.com&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&as_qdr=all&start=10&sa=N  >>E >> Look into the concluding remarks.  Intel puts its word in a way so @ >> that the reader would conclude that Intel thinks Itanic is an >> industry standard.  >>P > http://www.intel.com/business/bss/products/server/itanium2/quick_reference.pdf >>M > http://www.intel.com/business/bss/swapps/server2003/itanium2_server2003.pdf K >> http://www.intel.com/business/bss/products/server/itanium2/ecosystem.pdf  >>- >> In this page Intel lets a customer say it: C >> http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20031103comp.htm C >> http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20031217corp.htm  >>, >> In this paper Intel writes it themselves:: >> http://www.intel.com/business/casestudies/chuvashia.pdf >>O > http://www.intel.com/business/bss/products/server/itanium2/ibm_db2_server.pdf = >> http://www.intel.com/business/casestudies/lower_saxony.pdf  >>: >> Here Intel calls HPs servers "industry standard based":C >> http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20030421comp.htm C >> http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20031202corp.htm  >> >> Then I got tired searching. >>C >> Conclusion:  Intel does say it, but not frequently.  You have to H >> search to find it.  I did not find it in the product description when, >> I clicked my way down from the home page. >  > A pretty thin list.  >   0 He only needed one reference to prove his point.   bill      --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:34:42 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>" Subject: Re: Itanium Porting Class- Message-ID: <40E81582.3549.B42AB16@localhost>   + On 3 Jul 2004 at 18:05, Wayne Sewell wrote: E > Yes, somebody from software partners went too.  It should have been E > me, but it was held in Mass.  The guy that went won't be able to do 6 > much with the code, but at least we get the itanium.  D It was disappointing that several people did this.  But it's a heck E of a deal.  Attendees were given coupons to lease an rx2600 for $100  F per month, with ownership for $1 at the end of 2 years.  I don't need  my coupon now...  F Some people misunderstood about bringing bringing their source code.  D HP deliberately didn't have Internet connectivity to any systems to = prevent worries about stolen source code.  Some people cited  8 management resistance about code leaving their building.  E The class had 20 people in it.  HP actually had to turn away several  ? people from the OpenVMS track, so sign up ASAP for Arizona and  D California.  They might add a couple more classes if there's enough  interest.     
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:19:53 -0500( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>" Subject: Re: Itanium Porting Class/ Message-ID: <00A3456B.33CD4D67.1@tachysoft.com>   3 >From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>  >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms# >Subject: Re: Itanium Porting Class . >Message-ID: <40E81582.3549.B42AB16@localhost>& >Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:34:42 -0400    E >It was disappointing that several people did this.  But it's a heck  F >of a deal.  Attendees were given coupons to lease an rx2600 for $100 G >per month, with ownership for $1 at the end of 2 years.  I don't need   >my coupon now...  >   K Er, what are you planning on doing with it?  Given the cost of airfare even 4 with discounts, that is a pretty good deal too.  :-)  K Is there a link to this program?  I can't find it from the regular DSPP VMS  page.      --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== P Larry(sniffing):"I smell something awful." Moe:"Yeah, well don't brag about it."O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Larry(sniffing):"I smell something awful." Moe:"Yeah, well don't brag about it."   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 17:53:09 -0400# From: "R P" <petersra@sympatico.ca> ' Subject: Re: VMS on VAXstation 3100 M76 9 Message-ID: <4%_Fc.4798$WM5.186504@news20.bellglobal.com>   K It appears that the drive uses only 2048 byte sectors; not 512 byte sectors  that VMS requires.  - "SCC" <simonc99@hotmail.com> wrote in message % news:cc4njq01r25@news1.newsguy.com... F > Also, this drive does the same thing if I try and boot netbsd from a > bootable image...  > / > "SCC" <simonc99@hotmail.com> wrote in message ' > news:cc4n9n01qof@news1.newsguy.com... L > > Hi - cheers for getting back - Yeah think so - it works OK for a SolarisH > > install (the drive is a Sony CDU-8012) Do you know how I can tell if this > is > > a 512K block?? > > 2 > > "R P" <petersra@sympatico.ca> wrote in message9 > > news:hBkFc.90804$Ax1.1232357@news20.bellglobal.com...  > > > 8 > > > "BobbydaMong" <bobby@nowhere.com> wrote in message+ > > > news:cc4fca01hv1@news1.newsguy.com... H > > > > Hmmmm... one thing... does this need a ROM update? - if so, does > anyone
 > > > know > > > > where I can get one... > > > >  > > > > Many thanks again... > > > > : > > > > "BobbydaMong" <bobby@nowhere.com> wrote in message- > > > > news:cc4e7v01ce9@news3.newsguy.com... I > > > > > Hey there... have a VAXstation 3100 M76, and would like to boot  > it...!
 > > > > Can't $ > > > > > even do that at the mo'...	 > > > > > L > > > > > Have a VMS7.3 CD to boot from, but booting from a Sun single-speed /  > > > caddy  > > > > > CDROM gets :	 > > > > >  > > > > > >>> boot dkb100 	 > > > > > K > > > > > DKBTDRIVER halting at relative address 041A  DKBTDRIVER base addr  =  > > > > 0000163CF > > > > > REGISTERS   R0: 00000054   R1: 00000003   R2: 2008000F   R3:
 > 00000000F > > > > >             R4: 00000000   R5: 00000040   R6: 0000165C   R7:
 > 200C0180F > > > > >             R8: 0000000C   R9: 00000000  R10: 00007200  R11:
 > 00000000A > > > > > CMDBUF: 00000800 00000306  SENSE_BUF: 08000000 00060070 5 > > > > > STATUS_BUF: 02             SENSE_STATUS: 00 J > > > > > MSG_IN_BUF: 00             SENSE_MSG_IN: 00         SENSE_INDEX: > > > FFFFFFFF? > > > > > USER_BUF_ADDR: 00000000    TOTAL_XFER_COUNT: 00000000  BYTES_LEFT:  > > > > 00000000I > > > > > PG_TABLE_PTR: 00000000     BASE_VPN: 00000000       BUFFER_PTR:  > > 00000000 > > > > > MAP_MODE: 00000000 > > > > > STACK:  00001A3D > > > > >         00002450 > > > > >         00000210 > > > > >         00001B5E > > > > >         000019B5 > > > > >         0000197B	 > > > > >  > > > > > ?06 HLT INST > > > > >     PC = 00002ADC 	 > > > > > K > > > > > This CD happily installs under SIMH / VAX... it's just a bit slow  > :-) 	 > > > > >  > > > > > Many thanks!! 	 > > > > > 7 > > > > > Hmmm... Your help would be much appreciated!! 	 > > > > > 	 > > > > >  > > > >  > > > > - > > > Does the drive support 512byte blocks ?  > > >  > > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.368 ************************