1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 06 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 371       Contents:+ Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!) + Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)  Re: Blogging on VMS  Re: Blogging on VMS 0 Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification4 Re: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification4 Re: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification4 Re: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification4 Re: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification4 RE: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification* Re: FTP client to understand ODS-5 volumes4 How to influence file extend size of C stream files?8 Re: How to influence file extend size of C stream files?G Re: HP beats IBM in new cluster Total Cost of Ownership comparisonstudy G Re: HP beats IBM in new cluster Total Cost of Ownership comparisonstudy   In-memory storage control block?= Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article = Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article  Re: Itanium Porting Class  Re: Itanium Porting Class ! Re: Linux becoming windoze clone!  Re: OpenVMS .... no news? P Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1/Pathworks 6.0C NT4 Domain upgrade to Windows 2k3 Active Direct  Page/Swapfile Vector in VMS V7.3$ Re: Page/Swapfile Vector in VMS V7.3" Re: RAID Array 450 and Controllers Re: smile, be happy  Re: Very nice VMS testimonial  Which will outlive the other  Re: Which will outlive the other  RE: Which will outlive the other  Re: Which will outlive the other  RE: Which will outlive the other Re: XBitHack in SWS 2.0?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:58:32 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)0 Message-ID: <00A346AF.1FBD6499@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <b096a4ee.0407051928.5e79ba07@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:V >Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:<ccbdel$9sg$1@lore.csc.com>... >>{...snip...}& >> I have to agree with VAXman here... >  >It worked for me!  ) You're on a PeeCee running Weendoze then?     H >> WMV or other funny formats are platform specific, how many times has L >> Windows said "downloading a codec" etc. for something you've viewed? How : >> certain are you this isn't a "user is now viewing..." ? > G >I've viewed so few videos from the Net that this has never happened to F >me. I've had problems viewing videos, yes. But still this is great toE >see HP promoting VMS, even if it's not the best possible effort. Why E >don't you ask them to remove the video and destroy it? Would that be  >better?   Who asked for that?  Typical.     K >> Mpeg is a STANDARD, no extra codecs to download, it works. DVD, that is  L >> Mpeg, digital broadcast is Mpeg, when you say pictures you say JPEG, not # >> some proprietary picture format.  >>  H >> Converters are available, but really, as the media player works with * >> MPG, that should be the starting point. >>  K >> The cynical in me interprets the "more expensive to produce an mpeg" as  K >> Microsoft undercut hands down everything else because it implies a user  G >> lock in, and the user has to buy an M$ product to "share and enjoy".  >>  L >> It is anti competitive practice, being endorsed by the produces of these L >> little videos, nice as they are, yes it mentions VMS, but "if you're not . >> using Windows, you're not going to see it". > E >But if you're using VMS you don't *need* to see it. Promoting VMS is E >not anti-competitive. I'm all for a format that works on everything, E >but I'm just glad to see hp put out something so positive about VMS.   G I'm using VMS and I do need to see it.  I need to be able to show it to H others as a way of proselytizing VMS.  I know too too many organizationsH that have gone from VMS to the dark side.  Thanks to Compaq who actuallyG told one that VMS was soon to be DOA and sold them several $100K+ worth G of some PeeCee HW and Weendoze when a single system upgrade of an Alpha G would have provided them with far more performance and little change at H all to their present infrastructure.  Did I mention that the third-partyI SW they were using was a no-fee upgrade on the Alpha but instead cost the H company nearly as much as the purchase of a new Alpha would have cost to0 purchase license for this new PeeCee "solution"?  I It would be nice to see more of these "testimonial" videos from companies I and organizations both big and small declaring their bet-the-business-on- H VMS sentiments.  However, these "companies" don't go out looking for theH VMS ads/testimonials/etc., I have to take them to them and play them forH them.  Sorry but my PowerBook just doesn't play the Weendoze proprietaryG formats very well without some additional freeware I was directed to... H and blow it up to the full 17" capacity of my PowerBook's screen and it  looks like SHIT!    7 >And if you don't like it, you can write a TPU program!    Huh?    5 >Would you prefer that there be no such video at all?    Who said that?    F >> If you like, it implicitly mentions Windows, the entire duration... >>  
 >> Mr. Picky?  > D >I don't understand this question. I don't believe I'm the one who's2 >being picky here. Or is this question for VAXMAN?   Who is Mr. Picky.  You are.     --  B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 08:45:49 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0407060745.50f46955@posting.google.com>   X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A346AF.1FBD6499@SendSpamHere.ORG>...p > In article <b096a4ee.0407051928.5e79ba07@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:X > >Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:<ccbdel$9sg$1@lore.csc.com>... > >>{...snip...}( > >> I have to agree with VAXman here... > >  > >It worked for me! > + > You're on a PeeCee running Weendoze then?   > That's what they give me at work so that's what I have to use.  J > >> WMV or other funny formats are platform specific, how many times has N > >> Windows said "downloading a codec" etc. for something you've viewed? How < > >> certain are you this isn't a "user is now viewing..." ? > > I > >I've viewed so few videos from the Net that this has never happened to H > >me. I've had problems viewing videos, yes. But still this is great toG > >see HP promoting VMS, even if it's not the best possible effort. Why G > >don't you ask them to remove the video and destroy it? Would that be 
 > >better? >  > Who asked for that?  Typical.   B By harping on the format combined with zero acknowledgement of the) good side of this, it looks like you are.   M > >> Mpeg is a STANDARD, no extra codecs to download, it works. DVD, that is  N > >> Mpeg, digital broadcast is Mpeg, when you say pictures you say JPEG, not % > >> some proprietary picture format.  > >>  J > >> Converters are available, but really, as the media player works with , > >> MPG, that should be the starting point. > >>  M > >> The cynical in me interprets the "more expensive to produce an mpeg" as  M > >> Microsoft undercut hands down everything else because it implies a user  I > >> lock in, and the user has to buy an M$ product to "share and enjoy".  > >>  N > >> It is anti competitive practice, being endorsed by the produces of these N > >> little videos, nice as they are, yes it mentions VMS, but "if you're not 0 > >> using Windows, you're not going to see it". > > G > >But if you're using VMS you don't *need* to see it. Promoting VMS is G > >not anti-competitive. I'm all for a format that works on everything, G > >but I'm just glad to see hp put out something so positive about VMS.  > I > I'm using VMS and I do need to see it.  I need to be able to show it to J > others as a way of proselytizing VMS.  I know too too many organizationsJ > that have gone from VMS to the dark side.  Thanks to Compaq who actually  A OK, you have a point there. Still, I'd recommend saying "Great! A C video promoting VMS. Can we have it in a better format?" If someone F reacted to something you did the way you reacted to this, would you be) more encouraged to follow the suggestion?   I > told one that VMS was soon to be DOA and sold them several $100K+ worth I > of some PeeCee HW and Weendoze when a single system upgrade of an Alpha I > would have provided them with far more performance and little change at J > all to their present infrastructure.  Did I mention that the third-partyK > SW they were using was a no-fee upgrade on the Alpha but instead cost the J > company nearly as much as the purchase of a new Alpha would have cost to2 > purchase license for this new PeeCee "solution"?  ? Well, I never said it wouldn't be better to have it in a better D format. I am simply saying we should be happy for the mere existenceF of the video which can only improve the situation. Completely ignoringA the bright side and going ballistic on the dark side won't do any  good. That's all I'm saying.   > K > It would be nice to see more of these "testimonial" videos from companies K > and organizations both big and small declaring their bet-the-business-on- J > VMS sentiments.  However, these "companies" don't go out looking for theJ > VMS ads/testimonials/etc., I have to take them to them and play them forJ > them.  Sorry but my PowerBook just doesn't play the Weendoze proprietaryI > formats very well without some additional freeware I was directed to... J > and blow it up to the full 17" capacity of my PowerBook's screen and it  > looks like SHIT!   So send them the transcript.   >  > 9 > >And if you don't like it, you can write a TPU program!  >  > Huh?  B I was addressing this to Nic Clews. This is just an odd joke aboutD people always responding to my complaints about TPU by saying "Well,F you can write a TPU program" whereas in EDT I'm already done. I alwaysF get annoyed by this as if writing such a program were somehow trivial.E I really don't want to spend a lot of time with my nose buried in TPU C manuals to program something that should be done right in the first D place and shouldn't be so hard to fix. But that's another issue. YouC can find many threads on this in cov. Just search for my name .and.  TPU .and. EDT.   >  > 7 > >Would you prefer that there be no such video at all?  >  > Who said that?  @ By complaining about the video it sounds damn well like you are!   >  > H > >> If you like, it implicitly mentions Windows, the entire duration... > >>   > >> Mr. Picky?  > > F > >I don't understand this question. I don't believe I'm the one who's4 > >being picky here. Or is this question for VAXMAN? >  > Who is Mr. Picky.  You are.   E You lost me on this one. My only pickiness is to use and promote VMS!    Are you picking on me? :-)  " Relax man. We're on the same side!   >    > --  D > http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityE >                             solutions that others only claim to be.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:34:06 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Blogging on VMS0 Message-ID: <00A346AB.B5FD0B9A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <10ek3nuck7b6f70@corp.supernews.com>, Alphaman <alphaman-nix-spam@alphant.com> writes:  >Hi all, > F >For those interested, I've managed to successfully install and run a = >decent blogging package on OpenVMS.  I've got the following:  > > >  - AlphaServer 400 4/233, 192 MB RAM, 3 GB disk, OVMS v7.3-1
 >  - SWS v2.0 
 >  - PHP v1.2 + >  - Pivot v1.14 (http://www.pivotlog.net/)   ; Can you post your URL so those here can see it in action?      --  B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 07:26:01 -0500 . From: Alphaman <alphaman-nix-spam@alphant.com> Subject: Re: Blogging on VMS0 Message-ID: <10el6ird3bmhf72@corp.supernews.com>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  c > In article <10ek3nuck7b6f70@corp.supernews.com>, Alphaman <alphaman-nix-spam@alphant.com> writes:  > 	 >>Hi all,  >>G >>For those interested, I've managed to successfully install and run a  > >>decent blogging package on OpenVMS.  I've got the following: >>> >> - AlphaServer 400 4/233, 192 MB RAM, 3 GB disk, OVMS v7.3-1
 >> - SWS v2.0 
 >> - PHP v1.2 + >> - Pivot v1.14 (http://www.pivotlog.net/)  >  > = > Can you post your URL so those here can see it in action?    >      Brian,   You've got mail...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:08:45 -0500 ( From: David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com>9 Subject: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification 8 Message-ID: <8bcle0l0v2sainaubq1rbn5l8mlgg2jmpq@4ax.com>  K I have an application that generates all file specifications in a Unix path M format.  I need to process the files that are generated by the application in L a DCL process and need a way to change the path to a VMS file specification.  4 The application generates a path like the following:  ) /DSA1/DIR1/DIR2/DIR3/FILENAME.EXTENSION.1     And I need a specification like:  ) DSA1:[DIR1.DIR2.DIR3]FILENAME.ESTENSION;1   M Has anyone done this in DCL?  I have found a sample in PERL, but I don't know ? perl or how to modify the sample to put the result in a symbol.    Thanks,    Dave Harrold    N ..............................................................................N David Harrold                              E-Mail: David.Harrold at aurora.orgJ Lead Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204J                                             Pager:          (414) 941-4634J Aurora Health Care                            Fax:          (414) 647-4999 3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 08:33:04 -0700 ) From: "ken robinson" <kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com> = Subject: Re: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification / Message-ID: <ccegng$6k6@odah37.prod.google.com>    David Harrold wrote:C > I have an application that generates all file specifications in a 	 Unix path @ > format.  I need to process the files that are generated by the application in? > a DCL process and need a way to change the path to a VMS file  specification. > 6 > The application generates a path like the following: > + > /DSA1/DIR1/DIR2/DIR3/FILENAME.EXTENSION.1  > " > And I need a specification like: > + > DSA1:[DIR1.DIR2.DIR3]FILENAME.ESTENSION;1  > D > Has anyone done this in DCL?  I have found a sample in PERL, but I
 don't knowA > perl or how to modify the sample to put the result in a symbol.    Do you have DEC C installed?  F There is a supplied function called decc$to_vms that does what you are? looking for. Type "help crtl decc$to_vms" for more information.    Ken    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:42:37 -0500 ( From: David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com>= Subject: Re: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification 8 Message-ID: <0vhle0ldf39e4e8og58lgpeq5ieh4983i2@4ax.com>  H On 6 Jul 2004 08:33:04 -0700, "ken robinson" <kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com> wrote:   [snip]   >>E >> Has anyone done this in DCL?  I have found a sample in PERL, but I  >don't know B >> perl or how to modify the sample to put the result in a symbol. >  >Do you have DEC C installed?  > G >There is a supplied function called decc$to_vms that does what you are @ >looking for. Type "help crtl decc$to_vms" for more information.  H Well, I've admittedly done more programming in C than in PERL, but I was hoping to avoid either.   F I would almost rather use PERL as a scripting language than a compiled language to perform this task.   >  >Ken   Thanks,    Dave    N ..............................................................................N David Harrold                              E-Mail: David.Harrold at aurora.orgJ Lead Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204J                                             Pager:          (414) 941-4634J Aurora Health Care                            Fax:          (414) 647-4999 3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 10:43:48 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Re: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification 3 Message-ID: <qORzeHXssy7K@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <8bcle0l0v2sainaubq1rbn5l8mlgg2jmpq@4ax.com>, David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> writes: M > I have an application that generates all file specifications in a Unix path O > format.  I need to process the files that are generated by the application in N > a DCL process and need a way to change the path to a VMS file specification. > 6 > The application generates a path like the following: > + > /DSA1/DIR1/DIR2/DIR3/FILENAME.EXTENSION.1  > " > And I need a specification like: > + > DSA1:[DIR1.DIR2.DIR3]FILENAME.ESTENSION;1  > O > Has anyone done this in DCL?  I have found a sample in PERL, but I don't know A > perl or how to modify the sample to put the result in a symbol.   B I would suggest writing an executable image that uses built-in VMS> runtime library support and then calls LIB$SET_SYMBOL or such.) That way you keep up with future changes.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 08:56:02 -0700 ) From: "ken robinson" <kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com> = Subject: Re: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification / Message-ID: <ccei2i$7ub@odah37.prod.google.com>    David Harrold wrote (in part):C > On 6 Jul 2004 08:33:04 -0700, "ken robinson" <kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com>  wrote: > >  > >Do you have DEC C installed?  > > E > >There is a supplied function called decc$to_vms that does what you  are B > >looking for. Type "help crtl decc$to_vms" for more information. > F > Well, I've admittedly done more programming in C than in PERL, but I was  > hoping to avoid either.  > ? > I would almost rather use PERL as a scripting language than a  compiled  > language to perform this task.  E If you're willing to install GNV, I believe the implementation of the 1 bash shell in GNV can to the translation for you.    Ken    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:52:37 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> = Subject: RE: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOEALDIAA.tom@kednos.com>   : Something like the following should do it, and you can put that inside something likeL http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/appl_tools/0091A38D-9C725560-1C01E 7.html   i = index(in,'.');" i = i + index(substr(in,i+1),'.'); substr(in,i,1) = ';' ; out = substr(in,2);  i = index(out,'/'); + out = substr(out,1,i-1)||':['substr(out,i);  /* find last slash */  i = index(out,'/');  do while ( i ^= 0); . 	if index(substr(out,i+1),'/') = 0 then leave;,       else i =   index(substr(out,i+1),'/'); 	end;  substr(out,i,1)= ']';  out = translate(out,'.','/');      -----Original Message-----1   From: David Harrold [mailto:DHarrold@wi.rr.com] &   Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:09 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ;   Subject: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification     C   I have an application that generates all file specifications in a    Unix path @   format.  I need to process the files that are generated by the   application in?   a DCL process and need a way to change the path to a VMS file    specification.  6   The application generates a path like the following:  +   /DSA1/DIR1/DIR2/DIR3/FILENAME.EXTENSION.1   "   And I need a specification like:  +   DSA1:[DIR1.DIR2.DIR3]FILENAME.ESTENSION;1   B   Has anyone done this in DCL?  I have found a sample in PERL, but   I don't knowA   perl or how to modify the sample to put the result in a symbol.   	   Thanks,      Dave Harrold    D   ..................................................................   ............B   David Harrold                              E-Mail: David.Harrold   at aurora.org L   Lead Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204L                                               Pager:          (414) 941-4634L   Aurora Health Care                            Fax:          (414) 647-4999   3031 W. Montana Street   Milwaukee, WI 53215      --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.710 / Virus Database: 466 - Release Date: 6/23/2004   --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.710 / Virus Database: 466 - Release Date: 6/23/2004   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 08:05:10 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 3 Subject: Re: FTP client to understand ODS-5 volumes 3 Message-ID: <oUKhpaobvL5e@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <cc5opq$esj$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  > R > Maybe that is because Mozilla is (still) not ODS-5 compliant? Saving files with S > Mozilla results in uppercase ODS-2 file names. Not very pleasant if one likes to  L > preserve the original filename as much as possible, or use filenames with ) > lowercase characters with the composer.  >   D    My older version of Mozilla saves files using ODS-5 names all the    time.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 07:53:56 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>= Subject: How to influence file extend size of C stream files? 2 Message-ID: <ccdepp$boo$1@news5.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  J I'm trying to find a way to influence the default file extend quantity on P Stream_lf files created by C programs. This is a part of the file attributes of  such a file:  N File attributes:    Allocation: 339264, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0, No 
 version limit C Record format:      Stream_LF, maximum 0 bytes, longest 32767 bytes   O As you can see the extend size is 0. I guess this file will be extended by one  Q cluster at the time when it has to grow. When I change the extend size, the file  O will be extended by the new size. However every time a new file is created, it  5 will be created (and filled) with a extend size of 0.   L It seems that setting the RMS_EXTEND_SIZE parameter in sysgen has no effect.  O Is there a logical I can set to influence this behavior? Making changes in the  # source is not an option I'm afraid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:03 +0100 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> A Subject: Re: How to influence file extend size of C stream files? 8 Message-ID: <buske05rg7c0168c4jcolncqi59pqe6mog@4ax.com>  C On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 07:53:56 +0200, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:   K >I'm trying to find a way to influence the default file extend quantity on  Q >Stream_lf files created by C programs. This is a part of the file attributes of  
 >such a file:  > O >File attributes:    Allocation: 339264, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0, No   >version limitD >Record format:      Stream_LF, maximum 0 bytes, longest 32767 bytes > P >As you can see the extend size is 0. I guess this file will be extended by one R >cluster at the time when it has to grow. When I change the extend size, the file P >will be extended by the new size. However every time a new file is created, it 6 >will be created (and filled) with a extend size of 0. > M >It seems that setting the RMS_EXTEND_SIZE parameter in sysgen has no effect.  > P >Is there a logical I can set to influence this behavior? Making changes in the $ >source is not an option I'm afraid.  F RMS_EXTEND_SIZE (which you can also set with SET RMS/EXT/SYS) does notI change default file attributes, but rather changes the extension quantity I used when there is no explicit value set at file open or create time, and H there is no process default value either.  At each level (file, process,I system), a value of 0 means "look further for a suitable value".  If they E are all 0, RMS does its own thing (this may even mean that the extend J quantity varies as the file grows, iirc).  I don't think 1 is the default.  L [Ahem, there is also a volume attribute (SET VOL/EXT).  You'll need to checkE the documentation to see where this fits into the file/process/system  hierarchy.]    --  < Never forget that your weapon is made by the lowest bidder.    Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:43:55 +0100 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove_.harrison@s_u_n.com> P Subject: Re: HP beats IBM in new cluster Total Cost of Ownership comparisonstudy0 Message-ID: <cce6qb$ckc$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Richard Maher wrote: > Hi,  > I > Can everyone please stop replying to this prick? (Or at least take your / > sexual tension to a newsgroup other than COV)  >   6 So what exactly is your complaint, that you don't like6 OpenVMS advocates being on the loosing end of a series: of discussions about OpenVMS's merits (which they continue to be).   9 Or the fact that the person inflicting this well deserved  punishment works for Sun ?  ; Have you read the TechWise TCO study, if you havn't perhaps 4 you should and then you might be able to contribute.    J > Personally, I'd rather read the torrent of replies from the JF Mezei fanD > club. (And that's saying something! At least it's less offensive.) > L > I was in a pub at Monument the other day and saw three Sun employees, thatM > appeared to be claiming to be Andrew Harrison, rolling around the floor and J > laughing their tits off at the hoops that they can make loyal VMS peopleL > jump through just by plying this newsgroup with shite. (I'd always thoughtD > that one person could not be responsible for that amount of crap.) >   C So you are now advancing the theory that Andrew Harrison is in fact   a virtual team of Sun Employees.  D Good stuff for conspiracy theorists but lets face it BS to everybody else.   D BTW loyalty is all relative, Rob Young for example appeared to be an@ extraordinarely loyal Alpha Advocate, however 24 hours after theB Alphacide announcement he had changed to an loyal Itanium advocate? an architecture that a few short hours before he had ridiculed.   E Just one final point you accuse me of posting shite to this newsgroup E but when challenged no-one so far and that includes Rob, Fred, Kerry, B Bob, Bob and a host of other Loyal OpenVMS advocates has been able5 to substantiate identical claims that they have made.   D I challenge you to perform the feat that your fellow travelers have 	 failed to  manage.   > If you fail I do not expect to see you posting claims that you. cannot support about the validity of my posts.  B A suitably long silence on your part will be taken as an admission! that you have no case to advance.   C Perhaps you should join forces with Rob he is currently in the same  possition as you are.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:56:04 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> P Subject: Re: HP beats IBM in new cluster Total Cost of Ownership comparisonstudy1 Message-ID: <oYzGc.5350$7y.2683@news.cpqcorp.net>    > > I > > I was in a pub at Monument the other day and saw three Sun employees,  thatK > > appeared to be claiming to be Andrew Harrison, rolling around the floor  and L > > laughing their tits off at the hoops that they can make loyal VMS peopleF > > jump through just by plying this newsgroup with shite. (I'd always thought F > > that one person could not be responsible for that amount of crap.) > >  >   K Please.  Andrew is a computing giant, a jet setter, and raconteur.  Sort of I Bill Gates meets James Bond meets Antonio Bandaras meets Albert Einstein. L If he isn't creating new paradigms for computing - or rolling his sleeves upG to single handedly implement clusters - he can be found on his yacht or I touring in his Ferrari.  I believe he hops over in his Gulfstream to give I Scott McNealy lessons as his golf swing coach (Andrew is, of course, a +5 D handicap).  His wine cellar is widely known and regarded, as are his5 elaborate parties where Prince Charles is often seen.   # Women want him, Men want to be him.   K His sense of fair play and moral outrage requires him to stand tall in this L group, and try to help misguided VMS users.  At last count, I believe he hasH single handedly brought in 9 billion Euro's in VMS migration business to= Sun.  And still had time to lead his Cricket team to victory.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 10:02:31 -0700 $ From: gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen)) Subject: In-memory storage control block? = Message-ID: <bdc65a53.0407060902.23758689@posting.google.com>   F Does the system keep a copy of the Storage Control Block for a mounted; volume somewhere in memory? If so, how do I find it in SDA?   A I'm wondering this because I would like to be able to compare the E on-disk SCB$Q_MOUNTTIME (and perhaps other fields) with the in-memory " copy, if the system does keep one.  D If you're interested in knowing why I'd like to do this, just say soC and I'll explain. If you guessed that it has something to do with a @ failure to mount the system disk at boot time, award yourself 10 points (Ha! I gave it away).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:33:44 +0100 @ From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove_.harrison@_remove_.sun.com>F Subject: Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article0 Message-ID: <ccdrlp$8uo$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Jack Peacock wrote:   0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message( > news:Y56dnbaoEYvlaHzdRVn-vw@igs.net... > 1 >>again...just what was the attraction of Itanic?  >> > L > HP would be paid (off) by Intel to move all their OSes to it, and HP couldN > shut down CPU chip development too.  As the recipient of a sizeable chunk ofJ > that five billion it made good sense to HP.  Plus, if it goes wrong theyK > dump Intel and switch to AMD, all the bases covered.  No Dell lockin type 5 > agreements leaving them in a performance backwater.  > N > By appearances just about everyone in the Itanium program, except for Intel,L > has done well from participating.  Even Dell, with the handful of rebadgedN > Itanium boxes it moved the last few years, isn't hurting.  They got Intel toK > copy AMD.  Based on that coup I'd bet Dell is taking order from the Devil ; > for snow plows, cuz a very hot place just turned glacial.  >   Jack Peacock >  > @ Of course Dell is hurting, they measure themselves on margin and< market share. Because of their tie in with Intel they have a: vanishingly tiny share of the 64bit "Commodity" server and9 desktop market mainly because they are stuck with Itanium ? which has a tiny share of that market of which Dell has an even  smaller share.  B Dell have costs associated with Itanium which based on the volumes@ they are doing they have no chance whatsoever of covering. WhileC they don't develop or build boxes themselves, they do have to spec, # test, support and market the boxes.   = Itanium is Dells tactical choice to fill the gap between Xeon B and Nocona they may consider it worthwhile because it estabilishes> a Dell presence in that market despite the horrible financials@ and market share. Dells worst nightmare is that Nocona turns out< to be the dog that some people have been predicting and they. end up with Itanium as their long term choice.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 18:39:11 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>F Subject: Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article1 Message-ID: <jlCGc.5364$pX.1139@news.cpqcorp.net>   @ > As I said in the absence of any information about the relativeA > time spent by the bind workload in the kernel and in user space  > your data is meaningless.   ? Since the performance of an emulated application depends on the E user/kernel split no single benchmark is going to completely describe D the performance of emulated applications. So, there can be no single@ figure describing emulated x86 performance because the differentE applications will spend different lengths of time emulated in the app  versus native in the kernel.  C I'll agree with that.  I am content to have you allude to it first.   B I do not agree that the data is _meaningless_.  At the very least,B those with some passing familiarity with BIND named will have some= idea of the user/kernel splits, and those who know that theirtE application is somewhat like one of the specified BIND named versionsi= will have an idea of how their app might run under emulation.   
 rick jones -- n= denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance, rebirth...sC                                      where do you want to be today??F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:53:34 -0400a+ From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>n" Subject: Re: Itanium Porting Class8 Message-ID: <9mile0detgbl4dfjn01bfr38fh3l37csak@4ax.com>  N What did you folks who attended think of the sessions given by Intel engineers on the compilers?k       Steve Lionel Software Products Division Intel Corporationl
 Nashua, NH  8 User communities for Intel Software Development Products"   http://softwareforums.intel.com/ Intel Fortran Support 7   http://developer.intel.com/software/products/support/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:18:47 GMTo& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>" Subject: Re: Itanium Porting Class1 Message-ID: <X9BGc.5357$lH.2981@news.cpqcorp.net>-   Steve Lionel wrote: P > What did you folks who attended think of the sessions given by Intel engineers > on the compilers?d >   G I didn't get a chance to attend.  I think Ken Block went to some.  I'm n> going to try to slip into some of the sessions in Santa Clara.     -- y John Reagann/ HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader. Hewlett-Packard Companyw   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:47:07 +0100A9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove_.harrison@s_u_n.com>r* Subject: Re: Linux becoming windoze clone!0 Message-ID: <cce70b$ckc$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:   + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16974   0 If you have the courage I would suggest that you0 make the same point on one of the Linux Advocacy newsgroups rather than here.  # However I rather doubt that you do.e   Regardsv Andrew Harrisont   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:13:40 GMTs9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> " Subject: Re: OpenVMS .... no news?1 Message-ID: <EkzGc.5346$q8.4026@news.cpqcorp.net>   5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message,, news:DI6dnYm1ntqsFnjdRVn-gw@metrocast.net... >hB > That would actually be for someone like Fred (who appeared to be
 conversantD > with the actual numbers involved) to say, would it not?  I have noJ > difficulty believing that the number might have fallen somewhat short ofI > actual doubling, if all the VMS-related developers were included in thed6 > original count, but it clearly was very substantial. > 7 >  I repeat nobody ever promised to double headcount inhC > > OpenVMS engineering & for to say otherwise is simply incorrect.o >dK > Well, since I just provided a quote to the contrary, I'd say that's a bitn ofK > a stretch.  Now, if you'd like to qualify your statement as applying onlyB to, > Compaq sources, I have no problem with it. >o  E I have resisted the urge to respond, but since I am being used as the 	 source...   K When the port was announced, VMS was told that we would be able to increase L our headcount to backfill for other committed work - it wasn't a doubling ofI headcount (which would have meant hundreds of new people).  The headcount L came in the form mostly of contract workers, and a handful of new hires.  WeL didn't quite get as many heads as some of us wanted, but isn't that the caseF everywhere?  Other business pressures over the last 2-3 years have notJ allowed expansion of the workforce, but VMS has been relatively stable (HPE did do a company wide reduction of contract workers which did have ani impact).  K VMS on IPF is on the roadmap/timeline that was originally laid out.  We had F hopes we could _beat_that plan, which hasn't happened.  Mostly becauseJ certain underlying things take time - especially with so many dependencies to get to a full product.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 09:57:14 -0700 * From: mclark@nemschoff.com (Michael Clark)Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1/Pathworks 6.0C NT4 Domain upgrade to Windows 2k3 Active Directp= Message-ID: <f5191d44.0407060857.121e6189@posting.google.com>h  c Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de> wrote in message news:<cbquvh$mpp1@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>...l > Thomas Wirt wrote: > > PEN wrote: > >  > >  > >>Hi Michael,  > >>O > >>PATHWORKS for OpenVMS v6.0c isn't supported with Windows 2003.   If you can L > >>upgrade OVMS to v7.2-2 or higher, you can upgrade to Advanced Server forB > >>OpenVMS v7.3A ECO2.  But this version requires the license pakN > >>PWLMXXXCA07.03 in order for clients to map drives/printers.   If you don'tN > >>have these licenses, you can "upgrade" your existing licenses at a reduced) > >>cost.  For license part numbers, see:/ > >>5 > >>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/pathworks/licorder.html  > >  > > G > > One thing that I would add to that is that if you set things up for I > > concurrent use and set your Advanced Server to disconnect when not in G > > use, you may find that a surprisingly small number of client access-J > > licenses allows a large number of different clients to access AdvancedG > > Server (AS).  I have about 10 times as many users accessing AS each G > > day as I have licenses.  This is not a cheat, it is the way that AS G > > concurrent client licensing is supposed to work.  If you can do thedJ > > upgrade, I recommend budgeting for as many licenses as you have today,G > > but buy only a few more than your estimated peak concurrent use andmJ > > see if you get by.  IIRC the licenses will "disconnect" (in concurrentE > > mode) by default, but you may need to tweak the time-out value tokE > > optimize this  (I am not sure this still needs to be done in AS).w > >  > > Good luck. > >  > >  > >>  <snip> > W > The parameter AUTODISCONNECT controls the timeout value in minutes (0=no disconnect).n > $  regutlw > REGUTL> sho par * *disco*m >  > Section Name: server > Keyword Name: autodisconnect > Type: Integere > Current Data: 0  > 	 > REGUTL>     A Thank you everyone for the info.  Looks like I will be building aaE trust as the upgrade is not an option on this system.  It has to haverC constant uptime, and we cant risk problems with our custom softwaret having conflicts at this time.   Thanks!o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:07:06 +0200, From: "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>) Subject: Page/Swapfile Vector in VMS V7.3 4 Message-ID: <1089119232.99476@proxy.dienste.wien.at>  	 Hi folks!   I Some long time ago, a wrote a small program, which, when passed the indexnD number of a page- and swapfile, returns the count of total, free andJ reservable blocks. It takes the index number as argument and walks throughL the page/swap file vector, looking in the page file control blocks at offsetJ PFL$B_PGFLX (PFL$L_PGFLX on Alpha), and, if the index matches, creates DCLK symbols with the contents of the locations PFL$L_FREPAGCNT, PFL$L_RSVPAGCNT - and PFL$L_BITMAPSIZ. Works great since years.c  L Now I have to run this program on OpenVMS AXP V7.3-2. I was very suprised toK see that the system parameters PAGFILCNT and SWPFILCNT do not longer exist.tL So there are no locations SGN$W_PAGFILCT and SGN$W_SWPFILCT and I'm not ableG to determine the number of  entries in the page and swapfile vector. InoI addition, although the location MMG$GL_PAGSWPVC, which contains the startvL address of the vector, exists, the entries therein do not point to page file control blocks.   A I also have noted differences in the output of SHOW MEMORY/FILES.   : Can someone help me how to make run this program on 7.3-2?  & MTIA for any help, and kind greetings,   Ferry  --   Ing. Ferry Bolharh% Municipality of Vienna, Department 14e A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIAy E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:09:09 GMTg& From: Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com>- Subject: Re: Page/Swapfile Vector in VMS V7.3s@ Message-ID: <dd1131341eb1824a3b945e3ba7b75309@news.teranews.com>   Ferry Bolhar wrote:f   > Hi folks!  > K > Some long time ago, a wrote a small program, which, when passed the indexmF > number of a page- and swapfile, returns the count of total, free andL > reservable blocks. It takes the index number as argument and walks throughG > the page/swap file vector, looking in the page file control blocks at G > offset PFL$B_PGFLX (PFL$L_PGFLX on Alpha), and, if the index matches,eI > creates DCL symbols with the contents of the locations PFL$L_FREPAGCNT,r? > PFL$L_RSVPAGCNT and PFL$L_BITMAPSIZ. Works great since years.  > K > Now I have to run this program on OpenVMS AXP V7.3-2. I was very suprisedCI > to see that the system parameters PAGFILCNT and SWPFILCNT do not longernL > exist. So there are no locations SGN$W_PAGFILCT and SGN$W_SWPFILCT and I'm
 > not ableI > to determine the number of  entries in the page and swapfile vector. IndK > addition, although the location MMG$GL_PAGSWPVC, which contains the startaI > address of the vector, exists, the entries therein do not point to paget > file control blocks. > C > I also have noted differences in the output of SHOW MEMORY/FILES.e > < > Can someone help me how to make run this program on 7.3-2? > ( > MTIA for any help, and kind greetings, >  > Ferryp > --  L Paging and swapping completely changed in V7.3-2 so your program will not beH able to be made to work.  These changes removed a number of restrictionsJ and inefficiencies in the paging area.  Probably have to wait for the nextC IDSM book to come out to cover them or get the sources and dive in.    --  C Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NYsH       - jilly@clarityconnect.com                      - Brett Bodine fanH       - Mark.Jilson@hp.com                            - since 1975 or soH       - http://www.jilly.baka.com           - http://www.brettbodine.com   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 06:55:23 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)+ Subject: Re: RAID Array 450 and Controllersh1 Message-ID: <newscache$xk4f0i$e9k1$1@news.sil.at>t  e In article <40E9F181.1620078B@applied-synergy.com>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:i- >Does anyone have the "-3" patches for V5.7Z?.  < Sorry not me. It seems to be not (or maybe no longer) in the! 'usual place' (now HSG80 only)...e  @ http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/softwaredrivers/acs/  A I only have seen HSZ50 V5.7 Release Notes (but the Tru64 version)i_ http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/UCR/SupportManual/TPM_aa-r1zze-te/TPM_aa-r1zze-te.pdfd  	 Good luck    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:18:21 GMTe9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>5 Subject: Re: smile, be happy1 Message-ID: <1pzGc.5347$Zz.2584@news.cpqcorp.net>a  G VMS V8.1 happily boots on a rx1600, and will be officially supported inrL V8.2 - when we officially support things.  The rx1600 schedule was such thatH we didn't see a production unit until it was too late.  Having a single,B simple suggested rx2600 configuration for V8.1 made a lot of sense
 logistically.4  E I had three of them in my office at one point, all happily booted ande installed the V8.1 CD.  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:e4o4kIlCDjPu@eisner.encompasserve.org...nF > In article <40e32f97$0$4587$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, "Alex Daniels"/ <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> writes:l > >sI > > The rx1600 isn't 'supported' with V8.1, but being an Eval release its- nota@ > > like you getting proper support with whatever you run it on. >aH >    It wasn't clear to me that V8.1 would boot on an rx1600, not just aF >    matter of whether VMS Engineering would officially support 8.1 on >    anything. >oG >    I think to get some support for 8.1 you may have to be in the beta J >    test program.  Somehow I don't think the purpose of letting folks buy4 >    8.1 for $99 (or was it $75?) excluded feedback. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:22:13 +0100O9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove_.harrison@s_u_n.com>4& Subject: Re: Very nice VMS testimonial0 Message-ID: <cce925$de8$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:    O > PS: The lutz homepage OTOH seems crap when seen with VMS/MOZILLA (w/o Flash).0E > And the homepage maker NBS.AT currently has no own homepage online.p/ > So, I guess, they are not using VMS there ;-)c  E The homepage seems fine with FireBird 0.9.1 and also with Mozilla 1.6n running on Windows and JDS.s  B Without flash loaded it just defaults to a non-flash enabled page.  B The web site uses Apache running on Linux for its web server farm.B Probably a more pragmatic choice at least for the web server tier.   Regards  Andrew HarrisonA   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 07:08:26 -0700l  From: wmr282@hotmail.com (w m r)% Subject: Which will outlive the others= Message-ID: <398c9ca7.0407060608.28c2b843@posting.google.com>l   Alpha or Ititanic? Mike   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 14:47:39 GMT., From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)) Subject: Re: Which will outlive the otherl* Message-ID: <2kvscaF6qeoiU1@uni-berlin.de>  = In article <398c9ca7.0407060608.28c2b843@posting.google.com>, # 	wmr282@hotmail.com (w m r) writes:  > Alpha or Ititanic?   VAX or Ititanic?   PDP-11 or Ititanic?-   bill   -- aJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:57:29 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>l) Subject: RE: Which will outlive the otherr9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEAIDIAA.tom@kednos.com>I  ? Speaking of PDP11, Applied Information Systems from Chapel HillnD wrote a PL/I compiler in the mid 70's, Does anybody recall any names associated with that compiler?     -----Original Message-----5   From: Bill Gunshannon [mailto:bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu].&   Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:48 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com3+   Subject: Re: Which will outlive the other     ?   In article <398c9ca7.0407060608.28c2b843@posting.google.com>,l%   	wmr282@hotmail.com (w m r) writes:    > Alpha or Ititanic?     VAX or Ititanic?     PDP-11 or Ititanic?l     bill     --L   Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF   bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.   University of Scranton   |@   Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>     ---n(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.710 / Virus Database: 466 - Release Date: 6/23/2004   ---]& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.710 / Virus Database: 466 - Release Date: 6/23/2004   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:21:59 +02008 From: "Schmitt Sascha" <schmitt_s@nospam.pdlogistics.de>) Subject: Re: Which will outlive the other * Message-ID: <2kvucnF6s76dU1@uni-berlin.de>   Hi..  
 "AIS" mybe...I   MFGo  4 "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag3 news:NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEAIDIAA.tom@kednos.com... A > Speaking of PDP11, Applied Information Systems from Chapel Hill.F > wrote a PL/I compiler in the mid 70's, Does anybody recall any names  > associated with that compiler? >  >   -----Original Message-----7 >   From: Bill Gunshannon [mailto:bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu] ( >   Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:48 AM >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com:- >   Subject: Re: Which will outlive the other  >  > A >   In article <398c9ca7.0407060608.28c2b843@posting.google.com>,t& >   wmr282@hotmail.com (w m r) writes: >   > Alpha or Ititanic? >u >   VAX or Ititanic? >r >   PDP-11 or Ititanic?  >r >   bill >  >   --G >   Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  ThreeR wolvesH >   bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. >   University of Scranton   |B >   Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h> >f >   ---f* >   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.> >   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).D >   Version: 6.0.710 / Virus Database: 466 - Release Date: 6/23/2004 >t > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.710 / Virus Database: 466 - Release Date: 6/23/2004 >F   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 10:41:13 -0500d- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ) Subject: RE: Which will outlive the otheri3 Message-ID: <Btc3V04k0nB3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEAIDIAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:wA > Speaking of PDP11, Applied Information Systems from Chapel Hill-F > wrote a PL/I compiler in the mid 70's, Does anybody recall any names  > associated with that compiler?  0 Well, there were PROCEDURE, ENTRY, CALL ...  :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 08:17:06 -0500t; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r! Subject: Re: XBitHack in SWS 2.0? 3 Message-ID: <qM+tlfogAmYe@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  a In article <10eirppb0thflc0@corp.supernews.com>, Alphaman <alphaman-nix-spam@alphant.com> writes:r > Hi,n > I > Has anyone tried using the XBitHack in Apache/SWS 2.0 yet?  If so, how ,K > do you set a file's eXecute bit, a la the old U*X 'chmod +X' kludge?  (I LK > believe XbitHack was actually available earlier than 2.0, it's just that  E > I'm now finally getting around to playing with it after upgrading.)   B    A lot of UNIX utilities can be fooled by the E protection, even7    though the meaning is very different than x in UNIX.7   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.371 ************************