1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 07 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 372       Contents: Re: A lint Utility for OpenVMS+ Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!) 4 Re: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification4 Re: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification4 Re: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification  diff between a process and batch$ Re: diff between a process and batch8 Re: How to influence file extend size of C stream files?G Re: HP beats IBM in new cluster Total Cost of Ownership comparisonstudy H Re: HP is top IT service provider in Technology Business Research survey$ Re: In-memory storage control block?$ Re: In-memory storage control block?! Re: Linux becoming windoze clone! ' OpenVMS 7.3-1 on Alpha Wokstation 500au + RE: OpenVMS 7.3-1 on Alpha Wokstation 500au + Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 on Alpha Wokstation 500au + Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 on Alpha Wokstation 500au  Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD Reading from a LAT device  Re: Reading from a LAT device  Re: Reading from a LAT device < Re: SCSI CD on OpenVMS (was: Re: VMS on VAXstation 3100 M76)< Re: SCSI CD on OpenVMS (was: Re: VMS on VAXstation 3100 M76) [SSH] SET TERM in SYLOGIN  Re: [SSH] SET TERM in SYLOGIN   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 20:59:10 -0700 - From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) ' Subject: Re: A lint Utility for OpenVMS < Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0407061959.d3dedc5@posting.google.com>  ^ bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in message news:<2kiqo8F2rt5vU1@uni-berlin.de>...5 > In article <+7cLsym7q+6K@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 2 > 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:] > > In article <2kilq2F2pfuqU2@uni-berlin.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  > > G > >> Depends on the location of the trench.  One size does not fit all. H > >> Use the right tool for the job.  It's a poor workman who blames hisG > >> tools.    etc. etc. etc.  If C does a bad job, maybe it wasn't the G > >> right language for the job, or just maybe, the programmer isn't as + > >> good at using it as he thought he was.  > > E > > The advantages of higher level languages is that they depend less E > > on the excellence of the programmer, in particular regarding nits G > > about the programming language at hand compared to other languages.  > G > While I might agree with the first part I definitely don't agree with I > the second.  Unless you are using a totally bullet-proof language (does G > one actually exist?) you still have to know what the machine is going I > to do when you use any particular structure or feature of the language. H > But then, one part of that "excellence of the programmer" would be theI > ability to pick the right language for a particular job.  I would never J > recommend using C as the first choice for a financials program but then,= > I also woudn't recommend COBOL for writting device drivers.  >  > bill  A There are a number of useful languages out there.  No language is = bullet-proof from bad programmers or teams without processes, D procedures, or standards.  I recently had fun digging around tens ofE thousands of lines of code because we had a developer or two who used E literals to code over the past couple of years instead of the defined ? symbolic constants that were established many years ago for the + application.  The joys of searches for 'A'.   E Most languages can perform any ordinary task.  The choice of language ? for an application is not always based on what is optimal.  For C instance, the financial related program I previously mentioned that A was written in C.  While I was not there 18 years ago when it was C first written, I know enough about the application that I can guess < why C was chosen instead of COBOL.  One, there was a team ofD developers on staff with knowledge of C.  Two, while the applicationE was to provide a finance-related service and performed some financial B calculations, it also needed significant communication components.   JMOD   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:12:18 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!), Message-ID: <47GdnQwZk8sliHbdRVn-ug@igs.net>   Peter Weaver wrote: G > Decided to check out the What's New site off the VMS homepage and saw  > this;  > G > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/accuweather/accunews.html  > F > Nice mention of VMS in the video. Now to find some duct tape to tapeE > the boss in a chair, some toothpicks to hold his eyes open click on  > continuous play...  H It would be nice if many other satisfied OpenVMS customers mentioned VMS2 twice in ads that HP placed which feature OpenVMS.  5 Perhaps then we could say that a trend was beginning.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:09:34 +0000 (UTC)? From: Graham Burley <burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org> = Subject: Re: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification 9 Message-ID: <40EB22F4.2A18D8AE@encompasserve-or-this.org>    David Harrold wrote:   > Has anyone done this in DCL?  > I just knocked this up, it's half-baked, I feel very silly ...    D $!UNIX_TO_VMS.COM - convert a unix file specification into a VMS one $! P1 = unix file spec $! $ on warning then exit $status $ on control_y then exit %x2c  $! $       dev = "" $       dir = "" $       fn = "" 
 $       c = 0  $LOOP:# $       tmp = f$element(c, "/", P1)  $       if tmp .nes. "/" $         then  t'c' = tmp% $               dir = dir + "." + tmp  $               fn = tmp $               c = c + 1  $               goto LOOP 
 $       endif , $       dir = (dir + "#") - ("." + fn + "#")) $       if (t0 .eqs. "") .and. (c .gt. 1)  $         then  dev = t1 + ":"/ $               dir = (dir - (".." + t1)) - "." ) $               if c .eq. 2 then $fn = "" 
 $       endif 3 $       if dir .nes. "" then $dir = "[" + dir + "]" # $       tmp = f$element(2, ".", fn) @ $       if (tmp .nes. ".") .and. (f$type(tmp) .eqs. "INTEGER") -3           .and. (f$element(3, ".", fn)) .eqs. "." - E                 then $fn = (fn + "#") - ("." + tmp + "#") + ";" + tmp . $       UNIX_TO_VMS_FILESPEC == dev + dir + fn $! $       exit   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 19:35:47 -0500 . From: Alphaman <alphaman-nix-spam@alphant.com>= Subject: Re: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification 0 Message-ID: <10emhb5mopjll85@corp.supernews.com>   Graham Burley wrote:   > David Harrold wrote: >  >  >>Has anyone done this in DCL? >  > @ > I just knocked this up, it's half-baked, I feel very silly ...    E I found a bug: if you spec "/file.ext", you get back "file.ext:".  I  F made a minor change (see the IF statement around the "000000" string)  and came up with the following:       D $!UNIX_TO_VMS.COM - convert a unix file specification into a VMS one $! P1 = unix file spec $! $ on warning then exit $status $ on control_y then exit %x2c  $! $       dev = "" $       dir = "" $       fn = "" 
 $       c = 0  $LOOP:# $       tmp = f$element(c, "/", P1)  $       if tmp .nes. "/" $         then  t'c' = tmp% $               dir = dir + "." + tmp  $               fn = tmp $               c = c + 1  $               goto LOOP 
 $       endif , $       dir = (dir + "#") - ("." + fn + "#")) $       if (t0 .eqs. "") .and. (c .gt. 2)  $         then  dev = t1 + ":"/ $               dir = (dir - (".." + t1)) - "." 
 $       endif ) $       if (t0 .eqs. "") .and. (c .eq. 2)  $         then  dir = "000000"
 $       endif 3 $       if dir .nes. "" then $dir = "[" + dir + "]" # $       tmp = f$element(2, ".", fn) @ $       if (tmp .nes. ".") .and. (f$type(tmp) .eqs. "INTEGER") -4            .and. (f$element(3, ".", fn)) .eqs. "." -F                  then $fn = (fn + "#") - ("." + tmp + "#") + ";" + tmp. $       UNIX_TO_VMS_FILESPEC == dev + dir + fn $! $       exit      B I'd like to post this on dcl.openvms.org if that's okay with you,  Graham.  I think it's a keeper.    Cheers,  Aaron    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:13:17 -0500 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>= Subject: Re: Changing a Unix path to a VMS file specification I Message-ID: <craigberry-76A9BC.20131706072004@news-east.dca.giganews.com>   8 In article <8bcle0l0v2sainaubq1rbn5l8mlgg2jmpq@4ax.com>,*  David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> wrote:  M > I have an application that generates all file specifications in a Unix path O > format.  I need to process the files that are generated by the application in N > a DCL process and need a way to change the path to a VMS file specification. > 6 > The application generates a path like the following: > + > /DSA1/DIR1/DIR2/DIR3/FILENAME.EXTENSION.1  > " > And I need a specification like: > + > DSA1:[DIR1.DIR2.DIR3]FILENAME.ESTENSION;1  > O > Has anyone done this in DCL?  I have found a sample in PERL, but I don't know A > perl or how to modify the sample to put the result in a symbol.   H $ perl -"MVMS::DCLsym" -e "$h=new VMS::DCLsym; $h->setsym('vmsfspec', - 2 _$ VMS::Filespec::vmsify($ARGV[0]));" /foo/bar/baz $ show symbol vmsfspec   VMSFSPEC = "foo:[bar]baz"   H If you know any C at all, what you want would be pretty easy to do with 7 the routines provided in the CRTL.   See the example at   8 SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.CRTL]DECC$FROM_VMS_EXAMPLE.C  > but use decc$to_vms rather than decc$from_vms to go the other H direction, and also see the documentation for lib$set_symbol in the RTL ( manual to put your result in a symbol.    G Actually you can do this from any language you want, but ASCIZ strings  A can pose a challenge in some languages if you've never done them   before.   E All that aside, there really should be a lexical to handle this from   DCL.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 20:02:44 -0700 " From: thick_guy_9@yahoo.com (AMIT)) Subject: diff between a process and batch = Message-ID: <7e127df6.0407061902.6e675e7e@posting.google.com>    Hi all,  I have a basic doubt here:  0 Are all batch jobs executed by VMS as a process?E Thus every batch job in SHOW SYSTEM/BATCH is also a process (as a PID 
 is shown).  B So how do I find out the batch entry number for every batch job in SHOW SYSTEM/BATCH?  C And vice-versa how do I find the PID for every batch job, given the 
 entry number.    Thanks AS   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 23:23:23 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: diff between a process and batch 3 Message-ID: <kwHPKYlayq1O@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <7e127df6.0407061902.6e675e7e@posting.google.com>, thick_guy_9@yahoo.com (AMIT) writes:	 > Hi all,  > I have a basic doubt here: > 2 > Are all batch jobs executed by VMS as a process?  A Technically they are executed in a Job context, which includes at C least one top-level process but may include subprocess if the SPAWN ; command (or equivalent RTL or System Service call) is used.   G > Thus every batch job in SHOW SYSTEM/BATCH is also a process (as a PID  > is shown).  @ SHOW SYSTEM (after the first couple of lines) show processes and9 kernel threads, but if you had the latter you would know.   D > So how do I find out the batch entry number for every batch job in > SHOW SYSTEM/BATCH?  6 By default the process name contains the entry number.  E > And vice-versa how do I find the PID for every batch job, given the  > entry number.   ' Do a SHOW SYSTEM/BATCH and look for it.   4 Alternatively try calling $GETQUI with QUI$_JOB_PID.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:01:31 -04004 From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <hein_at_hp_dot_com>A Subject: Re: How to influence file extend size of C stream files? , Message-ID: <40eb7739$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  C Hi Dirk, what makes you conclude that using SET RMS/SYS/EXT (or the K corresponding SYSGEN PARAM) has no effect? The file will likely be truncate J on close. So as John wrote, there will be no permanent effect on the file,J just runtime. Looks like you have a handle on it though, because you write that SET FILE/EXT does work.@ And I don't think there is a logical (like there is for LRL with DECC$DEFAULT_LRL).  L If you do not specify a value or specify the value 0 when you create a file,5 RMS uses the default specified by the DCL command SET L RMS_DEFAULT/EXTEND_QUANTITY. If this value is 0, RMS uses the system defaultH extension quantity specified by the system parameter RMS_EXTEND_SIZE. IfE this value is 0, RMS computes the default value. RMS computes this as F 2*buffersize, but it must at least get a cluster of course. THe deviceK default is the last to be used. Of course you are at the merci of the C RTL  here. J Speaking of which... what version of VMS / C are you using? I believe thatE only around V7.0 the C RTL learned to ask the systems for certain RMS 0 defaults instead of filling in its own defaults.  I If you can, I would recommend using ANA/SYS while the program is running. L Then use SHOW PROC/RMS=FAB (or IFAB) to figure out whether (and which) value was provided in FAB$W_DEQ.G You may want to set the system and process default to well recognizable & values before testing (456 and 789 :-)  H Something that also can surprise RMS programmers, when using the C creatJ function is that by default, the new file inherits certain attributes fromI the existing version of the file unless those attributes are specified in 7 the creat call. The following attributes are inherited:    a.. Record format (fab$b_rfm) %   b.. Maximum record size (fab$w_mrs) "   c.. Carriage control (fab$b_rat)   d.. File protection ) So it does not look like it applies here.    Met vriendelijke groetjes, Hein.     + "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message , news:ccdepp$boo$1@news5.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...K > I'm trying to find a way to influence the default file extend quantity on C > Stream_lf files created by C programs. This is a part of the file 
 attributes of  > such a file: > L > File attributes:    Allocation: 339264, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0, No > version limit E > Record format:      Stream_LF, maximum 0 bytes, longest 32767 bytes  > L > As you can see the extend size is 0. I guess this file will be extended by one I > cluster at the time when it has to grow. When I change the extend size,  the fileD > will be extended by the new size. However every time a new file is created, it 7 > will be created (and filled) with a extend size of 0.  > F > It seems that setting the RMS_EXTEND_SIZE parameter in sysgen has no effect.  > L > Is there a logical I can set to influence this behavior? Making changes in the % > source is not an option I'm afraid.  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:09:53 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> P Subject: Re: HP beats IBM in new cluster Total Cost of Ownership comparisonstudy, Message-ID: <D_udncNes4K1iHbdRVn-gQ@igs.net>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:> >>> I was in a pub at Monument the other day and saw three SunB >>> employees, that appeared to be claiming to be Andrew Harrison,E >>> rolling around the floor and laughing their tits off at the hoops C >>> that they can make loyal VMS people jump through just by plying B >>> this newsgroup with shite. (I'd always thought that one person6 >>> could not be responsible for that amount of crap.) >>>  >> > D > Please.  Andrew is a computing giant, a jet setter, and raconteur.B > Sort of Bill Gates meets James Bond meets Antonio Bandaras meetsE > Albert Einstein. If he isn't creating new paradigms for computing - F > or rolling his sleeves up to single handedly implement clusters - heD > can be found on his yacht or touring in his Ferrari.  I believe heG > hops over in his Gulfstream to give Scott McNealy lessons as his golf E > swing coach (Andrew is, of course, a +5 handicap).  His wine cellar B > is widely known and regarded, as are his elaborate parties where > Prince Charles is often seen.  > % > Women want him, Men want to be him.  > E > His sense of fair play and moral outrage requires him to stand tall G > in this group, and try to help misguided VMS users.  At last count, I C > believe he has single handedly brought in 9 billion Euro's in VMS D > migration business to Sun.  And still had time to lead his Cricket > team to victory.       Fred,   G I wouldn't give credit to Andrew alone for the 9 billion Euro migration D business from VMS to Sun --- he had a LOT of help from Compaq and HP management in that regard.   John   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 17:27:20 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) Q Subject: Re: HP is top IT service provider in Technology Business Research survey = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0407061627.6727b8ea@posting.google.com>   v keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) wrote in message news:<cf15391e.0406241334.51f03056@posting.google.com>...D > HP outperforms IBM and Dell, capturing top honors among IT service2 > providers in Technology Business Research survey  @ CNET, in an article entitled "Survey: Dell customer satisfaction: unsatisfactory", explores the reasons for Dell's downfall:o http://news.com.com/Survey%3A+Dell+customer+satisfaction+unsatisfactory/2100-1003_3-5250704.html?tag=html.alert   > "PC maker Dell continued to have difficulty meeting all of itsF business customers' expectations for service during the first quarter, according to a survey. ... E The slip helped Dell rival Hewlett-Packard take the satisfaction lead F among the three major PC makers for the first time since TBR began theF quarterly study in 2000. Dell, which had led or been tied for the leadE in satisfaction among the PC makers since the study's inception, fell  back to a tie for second place.  ... A The latest survey shows Dell, which TBR analyst Julie Perron says B practically wrote the book on customer service in the PC industry,> exhibiting a continued downward trend in customer satisfactionA ratings. The decline comes despite efforts such as beefing up its A telephone support staff and training and re-routing business tech 1 support calls away from its call center in India.  ... E Some of Dell's slide is reflective of factors it cannot control, such E as more competitive pricing by its rivals and also changing attitudes D among those surveyed about the value of service and support, the TBRE report says. Other factors, including how phone support is delivered, $ are more easily controlled by Dell."   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 02:59:23 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: In-memory storage control block? 0 Message-ID: <87u0wlotbo.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  & gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen) writes:  @ > Does the system keep a copy of the Storage Control Block for aE > mounted volume somewhere in memory? If so, how do I find it in SDA?   C > I'm wondering this because I would like to be able to compare the = > on-disk SCB$Q_MOUNTTIME (and perhaps other fields) with the . > in-memory copy, if the system does keep one.  @ From memory, the SCB is not in memory, but values from it are in= the Volume Control BLock, VCB. Have a look in the .REQs, that  will clue you in I think.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 22:14:54 GMT / From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) - Subject: Re: In-memory storage control block? - Message-ID: <A1jSqNBr37zq@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   & gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen) writes:H > Does the system keep a copy of the Storage Control Block for a mounted= > volume somewhere in memory? If so, how do I find it in SDA?   
 $ anal/sys   OpenVMS (TM) system analyzer   SDA> read iodef F %SDA-I-READSYM, 7243 symbols read from SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]IODEF.STB;1  SDA> sho dev/addr=@exe$gl_sysucb   I/O data structures  ------------------- P CUEBID$DKB100                                  RZ26L               UCB: 8145A300  C Device status:   08021810 online,valid,unload,lcl_valid,exfunc_supp = Characteristics: 1C4D4008 dir,fod,shr,avl,mnt,elg,idv,odv,rnd *                  01010201 clu,nnm,nlt,scsi( SUD Status       00000001 path_available  P Owner UIC [000001,000004]   Operation count     127632   ORB address    8145A780P       PID        00000000   Error count              0   DDB address    8145A100P Alloc. lock ID   0100007D   Reference count        543   DDT address    8117F1A0P Alloc. class            0   Online count             1   SUD address    8145A680P Class/Type          01/8A   Retry cnt/max        16/16   VCB address    814A2E80P Def. buf. size        512   BOFF              00001800   CRB address    8145A180P DEVDEPEND        0C110853   Byte count        00000200   I/O wait queue 8145A36CP DEVDEPND2        00000000   SVAPTE            815EFB88                          P DEVDEPND3        01000001   DEVSTS            00000004                          P FLCK index             3A                                                       P DLCK address     8145A200                                                                Press RETURN for more." SDA> exam/time vcb+vcb$q_mounttime 14-JUN-2004 11:50:14.37  SDA>     --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:41:44 +0100< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>* Subject: Re: Linux becoming windoze clone!5 Message-ID: <40eb1c90$0$7810$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>   F "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_remove_.harrison@s_u_n.com> wrote in message* news:cce70b$ckc$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > - > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16974  > 2 > If you have the courage I would suggest that you2 > make the same point on one of the Linux Advocacy > newsgroups rather than here. > % > However I rather doubt that you do.  > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison   8 What is the "same point" that he should he make, Andrew?  = He just posted a URL, I presume as reference for people here.    Alex   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 22:09:02 GMT 5 From: "Steve O'Hara" <sohara@pivotal-solutions.co.uk> 0 Subject: OpenVMS 7.3-1 on Alpha Wokstation 500au= Message-ID: <2qFGc.45266$HQ1.18926@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   F I'm trying to install VMS on this box and can't get past word go......J The box had True64 on it, loaded by the previous owner who installed it toE test the box - therfore I figured that it would likely be OK for VMS. L I've checked the configuration (Toshiba CD-ROM with Cypress IDE controller), changed os_type to OpenVMS etc. L The machine will boot from the floopy for firmware upgrade - current version	 is 7.2-1.   G Everything looks fine and indeed when I try to bbot from the CD it does B recognise that it is a bootable disc and jumps the bootstrap code.J It then displays the "OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-1" banner and just hangs..........   H I've tried a different CD, swapped out the CD-ROM drive, swapped out the" hard disk too but all to no avail.   Any ideas ??????   Thanks,    Steve    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:31:36 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 4 Subject: RE: OpenVMS 7.3-1 on Alpha Wokstation 500au9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEEBCDIAA.tom@kednos.com>   F It may be the CD has the wrong sector size.  There was some discussion8 of that recently her.  Also have a look at the faq, e.g.4 http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/vms_hobbyist_faq.txt     -----Original Message-----<   From: Steve O'Hara [mailto:sohara@pivotal-solutions.co.uk]&   Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 3:09 PM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 2   Subject: OpenVMS 7.3-1 on Alpha Wokstation 500au    H   I'm trying to install VMS on this box and can't get past word go......L   The box had True64 on it, loaded by the previous owner who installed it toG   test the box - therfore I figured that it would likely be OK for VMS. A   I've checked the configuration (Toshiba CD-ROM with Cypress IDE    controller),!   changed os_type to OpenVMS etc. >   The machine will boot from the floopy for firmware upgrade -   current version    is 7.2-1.   I   Everything looks fine and indeed when I try to bbot from the CD it does D   recognise that it is a bootable disc and jumps the bootstrap code.L   It then displays the "OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-1"!   banner and just hangs..........   J   I've tried a different CD, swapped out the CD-ROM drive, swapped out the$   hard disk too but all to no avail.     Any ideas ??????  	   Thanks,      Steve        --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.710 / Virus Database: 466 - Release Date: 6/23/2004   --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.710 / Virus Database: 466 - Release Date: 6/23/2004   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2004 00:19:40 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com 4 Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 on Alpha Wokstation 500au+ Message-ID: <ccffis0shm@enews4.newsguy.com>   " Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:H > It may be the CD has the wrong sector size.  There was some discussion > of that recently her.     K If the system is capable of booting from IDE then it should only know about J 2048-byte blocks.  To the best of my knowledge there are no 512-byte block IDE CD-ROM drives.  # > Also have a look at the faq, e.g. 6 > http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/vms_hobbyist_faq.txt  H Frightening :^)  Seriously, I don't believe he'll find anything in thereF that would be of help since I'm not familiar with using IDE devices on> OpenVMS (but there is some good info on what cards will work).  J If people are actually refering to that document, maybe I should look into updating it :^)   J >   I'm trying to install VMS on this box and can't get past word go......N >   The box had True64 on it, loaded by the previous owner who installed it toI >   test the box - therfore I figured that it would likely be OK for VMS. C >   I've checked the configuration (Toshiba CD-ROM with Cypress IDE  >   controller),# >   changed os_type to OpenVMS etc. @ >   The machine will boot from the floopy for firmware upgrade - >   current version 
 >   is 7.2-1.   H Check your boot flags.  Are you trying to boot into something other thanJ SYS0 such as SYSA?  Installing Tru64 on an Alpha tends to mess this up for
 OpenVMS.     		Zane   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 22:41:11 -0700 . From: dieter.rossbach@gmx.de (dieter rossbach)4 Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 on Alpha Wokstation 500au= Message-ID: <e1d40caf.0407062141.65614a42@posting.google.com>    > J > I've tried a different CD, swapped out the CD-ROM drive, swapped out the$ > hard disk too but all to no avail. >  > Any ideas ??????  F Try a SCSI-CDROM, the support for IDE-CDROMS on 500au with VMS depends on CD, chipset etc.    Regards    Dieter   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 13:33:51 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) ! Subject: Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0407061233.79ee139c@posting.google.com>   s Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__.harrison@___sun.com> wrote in message news:<cbeu26$5kp$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... 6 > a trend that is in reality one of long term decline.  B IDC Quarterly Server Tracker data for OpenVMS shows year-over-yearA growth averaging 6.0% for the last 4 quarters (with growth in the E double digits for two of those 4 quarters). In contrast, the "growth" = for Solaris has averaged NEGATIVE 10.8% over the same period.   # So tell me again what's in decline?   A VMS suffered a period of long-term decline during the mid-to-late D 90's. And it took a hit with the rest of the economy after 9/11. ButE now VMS is in a period of solid regrowth, fueled by a brighter future   and much stronger support by HP.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 16:35:19 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) ! Subject: Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0407061535.71cc29ff@posting.google.com>   s Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__.harrison@___sun.com> wrote in message news:<cbeu26$5kp$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... A > We have gone through this exhaustively before, OpenVMS revenues ? > excluding services currently run at between 50 and 60 million = > a quarter, well below what most people would consider to be ? > a level that ensures that the installed base of OpenVMS boxes  > is increasing not decreasing.   ; You're trying to use IDC Quarterly Server Tracker data as a D measurement of the OpenVMS development revenue stream. This is wrong! for at least a couple of reasons: B o  IDC Quarterly Server Tracker data is focused on server hardware; revenues, so it actually EXCLUDES operating system revenue. A o  A portion of OpenVMS software maintenance revenues (which fall E under Services) are paid to Engineering, since they're the people who 0 come up with new releases and updates and fixes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:23:55 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>! Subject: Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD + Message-ID: <40EB50AB.18701C17@comcast.net>    Keith Parris wrote:  > u > Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__.harrison@___sun.com> wrote in message news:<cbeu26$5kp$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... 8 > > a trend that is in reality one of long term decline. > D > IDC Quarterly Server Tracker data for OpenVMS shows year-over-yearC > growth averaging 6.0% for the last 4 quarters (with growth in the G > double digits for two of those 4 quarters). In contrast, the "growth" ? > for Solaris has averaged NEGATIVE 10.8% over the same period.  > % > So tell me again what's in decline?   & Standard reply: "Check the job boards"  C > VMS suffered a period of long-term decline during the mid-to-late F > 90's. And it took a hit with the rest of the economy after 9/11. ButG > now VMS is in a period of solid regrowth, fueled by a brighter future " > and much stronger support by HP.  E No matter how much fuel you put into a vehicle, it goes nowhere until F you turn the key and start it up (read: "...until you advertise VMS").   D.J.D.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:11:28 +0200* From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>! Subject: Re: OT: Sun / Sparc  FUD - Message-ID: <ccg0m9$2obl$1@news.cybercity.dk>   > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0407061233.79ee139c@posting.google.com... H > Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__.harrison@___sun.com> wrote in message, news:<cbeu26$5kp$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...8 > > a trend that is in reality one of long term decline. > D > IDC Quarterly Server Tracker data for OpenVMS shows year-over-yearC > growth averaging 6.0% for the last 4 quarters (with growth in the - > double digits for two of those 4 quarters).  > C > VMS suffered a period of long-term decline during the mid-to-late F > 90's. And it took a hit with the rest of the economy after 9/11. ButG > now VMS is in a period of solid regrowth, fueled by a brighter future " > and much stronger support by HP.  K I think the IT market was growing 5% last year.  So, growing 1% faster than E the market is "solid regrowth."  It is nice that the sales of VMS are E growing, and it is nice if companies are finally starting to disaster 6 tolerant systems, but you are over selling your point.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:14:14 +1000 From: "Pip" <pip@ti.nl0.com>" Subject: Reading from a LAT device< Message-ID: <40eb3233$0$18190$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>  J I've got a detached process that's been running flawlessly for month that # reads from a LAT device using COPY.  Something along the lines of   $ mc latcp create port lta666 9 $ mc latcp set port lta666 /appl/node=server1/port=port_1 $ $ copy lta666: sys$login:capture.txt  L But yesterday the terminal server lost power and was rebooted. The VMS host % stayed up (557 days and counting :) ) J After the terminal server restarted, the batch job stopped capturing data.A The LTA device is still owned by the batch process, but it isn't  G "connected", as the TT_ACCPORNAM info is not shown in a SHO TERM LTA666   L However, if I abort the job and use "SET HOST LTA666/DTE" interactively, it  captures data fine.h  ? I'm at a complete loss as to why rebooting the 90M caused this.eH Any suggestions? (or a more reliable way to read from a lat device in a  detached proces)   Cheers Pip    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:39:10 -0700* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>& Subject: Re: Reading from a LAT device2 Message-ID: <DoKdnTa9uZyCpXbd4p2dnA@mpowercom.net>  ' "Pip" <pip@ti.nl0.com> wrote in message 6 news:40eb3233$0$18190$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...J > However, if I abort the job and use "SET HOST LTA666/DTE" interactively, it > captures data fine.n >pA > I'm at a complete loss as to why rebooting the 90M caused this. I > Any suggestions? (or a more reliable way to read from a lat device in a  > detached proces) >eH I believe you have to send something to the LAT device first in order toF actually open the channel.  I've encountered this with timeclocks; theL workaround was to send a NUL after opening the channel.  That's why it works after a SET HOST.    Jack Peacock   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:05:00 -0400% From: "Chris" <mc.moore@sympatico.ca>-& Subject: Re: Reading from a LAT device; Message-ID: <Z6HGc.22383$WM5.1000435@news20.bellglobal.com>P  J My best guess is that the saved config for that port didn't match what theI port was running with. (iirc, a SAVE PORT command needs to be issued oncew settings are confirmed correct)v  J Make sure it's set to "Access Remote", Input and Output speed same as yourL LTA definition,  Authorized groups include the group code for your host, andI default protocol set to LAT on the particular port as well.  I would also J tend to disable Autobaud, Autoprompt, Break, Local Switch, Forward switch,L Backward switch, Lock, Loss Notification, Message Codes and Verification, as/ these would be extraneous in your case I think.b  5 "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote in messaget, news:DoKdnTa9uZyCpXbd4p2dnA@mpowercom.net...) > "Pip" <pip@ti.nl0.com> wrote in message 8 > news:40eb3233$0$18190$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...L > > However, if I abort the job and use "SET HOST LTA666/DTE" interactively, > it > > captures data fine.a > >eC > > I'm at a complete loss as to why rebooting the 90M caused this.hK > > Any suggestions? (or a more reliable way to read from a lat device in a  > > detached proces) > >fJ > I believe you have to send something to the LAT device first in order toH > actually open the channel.  I've encountered this with timeclocks; theH > workaround was to send a NUL after opening the channel.  That's why it worksl > after a SET HOST.o >   Jack Peacock >a >f   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 19:15:10 GMTo# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman),E Subject: Re: SCSI CD on OpenVMS (was: Re: VMS on VAXstation 3100 M76) 1 Message-ID: <2TCGc.5373$RT.3414@news.cpqcorp.net>t  U In article <cc4e7v01ce9@news3.newsguy.com>, "BobbydaMong" <bobby@nowhere.com> writes:rM :Hey there... have a VAXstation 3100 M76, and would like to boot it...! Can'tf :even do that at the mo'...  :eK :Have a VMS7.3 CD to boot from, but booting from a Sun single-speed / caddye
 :CDROM gets :e  H   Please see the discussion in the OpenVMS FAQ -- this and various otherF   CD drives that do not support 512 byte sector reads won't work here.  G   The RRD series CD drives have this read support quite obviously, and bE   various Plextor drives have been reported or have been seen to have F   support for 512-byte block reads.  (As I've mentioned before, I haveE   had success writing CD media directly on OpenVMS VAX systems, usinga1   Plextor PlexWriter series SCSI CD-R/RW drives.)   F   The ATAPI drive support within current versions of the OpenVMS AlphaE   DQDRIVER operates just fine with 2048-byte sectors, FWIW.  DKDRIVERa=   simply does not have this blocking and de-blocking support.i  F :This CD happily installs under SIMH / VAX... it's just a bit slow :-)  8   The SIMH emulation is, um, slightly busted, then.  :-)    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqkN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comi   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2004 18:45:18 GMT , From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)E Subject: Re: SCSI CD on OpenVMS (was: Re: VMS on VAXstation 3100 M76)a* Message-ID: <2l0a9uF76bbuU3@uni-berlin.de>  1 In article <2TCGc.5373$RT.3414@news.cpqcorp.net>,n& 	hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:W > In article <cc4e7v01ce9@news3.newsguy.com>, "BobbydaMong" <bobby@nowhere.com> writes:4 >0G >:This CD happily installs under SIMH / VAX... it's just a bit slow :-)  > : >   The SIMH emulation is, um, slightly busted, then.  :-)  C I don't think I would say that.  I would say it is more likely thataB a very good job is done taking any CD Drive and emulating one that@ works on a VAX.  After all, they emulate all the other hardware,= including things like RA drives, why not emulated CD as well?n   bill  c --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:18:45 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: [SSH] SET TERM in SYLOGIN1 Message-ID: <newscache$sr5g0i$kzv1$1@news.sil.at>   J Today I noticed just another difference between TCPIP SSH and TCPware SSH.@ (TCPware SSH does set the terminal type while TCPIP SSH doesn't)G I solved the problem for now with the following lines in my SYS$SYLOGINn   $ set_term:  $!*********mI $       term = F$EXTRACT (1, 2, F$GETDVI ("SYS$COMMAND", "TT_PHYDEVNAM"))e) $       no_inq = "OP, RT, TT, TX, TW, WT" E $       IF F$LOCATE (term, no_inq) .NE. F$LENGTH (no_inq) THEN RETURNTW $       IF term .EQS. "FT" .AND. .NOT. F$GETDVI ("SYS$COMMAND","TT_SECURE") THEN RETURNaM $       WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "%SYLOGIN-I-HANDSOFF, Starting terminal inquiry ...".( $       DEFINE/NOLOG/USER SYS$ERROR  NL:( $       DEFINE/NOLOG/USER SYS$OUTPUT NL:M $       IF F$GETJ(0,"TERMINAL") .NES. "" THEN SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE/BROAD/LINErH $       WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "%SYLOGIN-I-HANDSON, Terminal inquiry finished" $       RETURN  I Explaination: SSH uses FT terminals on both stacks. DECwindows-MOTIF uses M them too. Only TCPIP SSH FT need a SET TERM/INQ (and TT_SECURE is the trick).e  
 Any Cons ?   -- n Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERg% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 22:14:53 -0400 : From: Rich Whalen <moc.ncr@nelahwvr  - read right to left>& Subject: Re: [SSH] SET TERM in SYLOGIN8 Message-ID: <22nme0lapdej47modgea248mctnp8cqe2d@4ax.com>  D On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:18:45 +0000 (UTC), peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote:n  K >Today I noticed just another difference between TCPIP SSH and TCPware SSH.nA >(TCPware SSH does set the terminal type while TCPIP SSH doesn't) H >I solved the problem for now with the following lines in my SYS$SYLOGIN >( >$ set_term: >$!*********J >$       term = F$EXTRACT (1, 2, F$GETDVI ("SYS$COMMAND", "TT_PHYDEVNAM"))* >$       no_inq = "OP, RT, TT, TX, TW, WT"F >$       IF F$LOCATE (term, no_inq) .NE. F$LENGTH (no_inq) THEN RETURNX >$       IF term .EQS. "FT" .AND. .NOT. F$GETDVI ("SYS$COMMAND","TT_SECURE") THEN RETURNN >$       WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "%SYLOGIN-I-HANDSOFF, Starting terminal inquiry ...") >$       DEFINE/NOLOG/USER SYS$ERROR  NL:t) >$       DEFINE/NOLOG/USER SYS$OUTPUT NL:yN >$       IF F$GETJ(0,"TERMINAL") .NES. "" THEN SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE/BROAD/LINEI >$       WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "%SYLOGIN-I-HANDSON, Terminal inquiry finished"r >$       RETURNc >mJ >Explaination: SSH uses FT terminals on both stacks. DECwindows-MOTIF usesN >them too. Only TCPIP SSH FT need a SET TERM/INQ (and TT_SECURE is the trick). >a >Any Cons ?0  C Have you tried SFTP to make sure that your SYLOGIN mods don't causecE problems?  The SFTP Server has some tolerance to I/O on the terminal,t  but too much can cause problems.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.372 ************************