1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 09 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 377       Contents:+ Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!) + Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!) + Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!) + Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!) + Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!) + Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!) + Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)  Re: CP Charges... $ Re: Datatrieve Help Creating Domains) Re: Dynamic Volume Expansion & CONCATSETS N Re: Hello, I want to complain-- [You want to complain!] (Was:  Accuweather...)G Re: HP beats IBM in new cluster Total Cost of Ownership comparisonstudy ) HP Itanium servers at CDW, OpenVMS listed = Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article = Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article 5 Re: New vms install, problem with serial console opa0 5 Re: New vms install, problem with serial console opa0 6 Re: OpenVMS Management Station -  cluster storage ????8 OpenVMS probably the best designed o/s in  the market... OT: CP Charges... 0 Re: Question about AS 800 and display resolution Re: raid 210/swxcr etc Re: XBitHack in SWS 2.0?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:59:01 +0100 & From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]>4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)' Message-ID: <cclmtl$qab$1@lore.csc.com>    Alan E. Feldman wrote:Z > VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A346AF.1FBD6499@SendSpamHere.ORG>... > p >>In article <b096a4ee.0407051928.5e79ba07@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: >>X >>>Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:<ccbdel$9sg$1@lore.csc.com>... >>>  >>>>{...snip...}' >>>>I have to agree with VAXman here...  ... G >>>>If you like, it implicitly mentions Windows, the entire duration...  >>>> >>>>Mr. Picky? >>> F >>>I don't understand this question. I don't believe I'm the one who's4 >>>being picky here. Or is this question for VAXMAN? >> >>Who is Mr. Picky.  You are.  >  > G > You lost me on this one. My only pickiness is to use and promote VMS!  >  > Are you picking on me? :-) > $ > Relax man. We're on the same side!    F It was ME that signed myself Mr. Picky. Our news server no longer has D the top bits of this thread, but I'm sure someone said words to the B effect of we were being picky (i.e. complaining when we should be C leaping up and down for joy). After my arguments in this thread, I  I signed myself as picky, but the question mark implied the reader had the  ! right to their own opinion of me.   # Where's the VHS of this, in PAL-I ?   E Well one positive comment is the sound quality isn't bad, stereo too.   A I'm actually more amazed no one has asked why I call myself C.P.  # Charges... It's been 2 years now...  --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:28:02 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> 4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)8 Message-ID: <h6sse0p4kec6q0gnilhsu90prsud4jun8q@4ax.com>  P On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 19:42:01 -0500, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:   >Nigel Barker wrote: >>  S >> On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 20:02:14 -0500, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> 	 >> wrote:  >>  K >> >Well, yes and no. A promo. targetted to Windows users only seems like a K >> >half-effort, worthy of recognition, but leaves the audience wanting (as J >> >evidenced by this thread). A promo. that is agnostic of platform seems' >> >to make a stronger statement, IMHO.  >>  O >> What format would you propose? Remember it must work without downloading any D >> additional software for the vast majority of the target audience. > G >.mpeg seems to be fairly universal (Whinebloze Media Slayer handles it < >quite nicely) and fits the "platform agnostic" requirement. >  >D.J.D.   N MPEG2 will require extra software to be downloaded. DivX is based on MPEG4 butM is proprietary & requires extra software to be downloaded & . XviD is an open L source analogue of DivX but again requires software to be downloaded. WMV isD also based on MPEG4 & is proprietary but does not require a software, installation on at least 90% of desktop PCs.  P I assume that you must be referring to MPEG1.The problem with MPEG1 is that it'sN not suitable for streaming & the file size is much larger than that for one ofG the MPEG4 based codecs. As an example I took the Accuweather WMV file & M converted it to Video CD quality MPEG1. The file size grows from 9MB to 48MB.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:43:28 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)* Message-ID: <2l7b6iF7sa2gU1@uni-berlin.de>   Nic Clews wrote:   > G > Well one positive comment is the sound quality isn't bad, stereo too.  >   G Agreed. If anyone wants the sound track only, please ask. Best specify   the format ya want though :-)   C > I'm actually more amazed no one has asked why I call myself C.P.  % > Charges... It's been 2 years now...   , OK, it has had me puzzled so I'll bite. Why?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:34:57 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> 4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)8 Message-ID: <4utse0lk0nt6jav42jcgi07nolmfkhfu33@4ax.com>  O On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 02:13:56 GMT, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston  - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote:   L >I'm a webmaster on a moderately-busy site that gets a million hits a month,@ >many from scientific personnel who presumably use their regularI >workstations.  This isn't randomly-assorted home users.  According to my J >logs, the overwhelming majority of hits are from Windows platforms, even & >from this highly-technical community.  N My wife runs a web site http://www.amb-cotedazur.com (shameless plug:-) I haveL been doing some work analyzing the log files recently & while she gets a lotI fewer than 1M hits per month the overwhelming majority of users are using L Internet Explorer on Windows (at least 95%). There are a variety of other OSL like Linux & NetBSD & interestingly the number of hits from OpenVMS actuallyC exceeds that from Macs although that's probably just me visiting:-)    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:51:25 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) 4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)4 Message-ID: <1FvHc.22054$mY2.12332@fe1.texas.rr.com>  1 Roger Fraser (roger.fraser@baesystems.com) wrote:  :  :  : And you need to underline:  : 1. VMS is virtually unhackableF : 2. VMS clusters stay available to users even through hardware and/or : software upgrades L : 3. A cluster spread over a "reasonable" distance can survive a bomb takingL : out one site. Most users would only notice a small pause while the clusterM : reconfigures (unless they happen to be directly connected to the site taken  : out).  : B : Why isn't that thrown at every major corporation and government? :   * Because it would make Microsoft look bad ?  ,    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=111087    Microsoft cerebrates  fifteen years of poor security    --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jul 2004 07:01:16 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0407090601.2624211d@posting.google.com>   e David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40EDF146.B11E6051@comcast.net>...  > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > i > > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<40EC9D16.6F16C23E@comcast.net>...  > > > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > > > u > > > > Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote in message news:<bi5fcc.lt2.ln@escape.goid.lan>... H > > > > > On 2004-07-06, Alan E. Feldman <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote:	 > > > > > R > > > > > > I've viewed so few videos from the Net that this has never happened toQ > > > > > > me. I've had problems viewing videos, yes. But still this is great to P > > > > > > see HP promoting VMS, even if it's not the best possible effort. WhyP > > > > > > don't you ask them to remove the video and destroy it? Would that be > > > > > > better?  > > > > > > K > > > > > > I'm not going to let the nitpickers ruin this for me. I enjoyed  > > > > > > watching it a lot.	 > > > > > N > > > > > If they aren't providing it in a standard format, just how seriously/ > > > > > can you take this "promotion" of VMS?  > > > > K > > > > You would prefer a promotion of something else on a VMS-friendly or $ > > > > otherwise "standard" format? > > >  > > > Non-sequitur.  > > F > > I disagree. What's more important? Promoting VMS or using standard > > formats? > J > Careful, there. Do you mean INDUSTRY standards (negotiated industry-wideI > through a recognized standards body), or de-facto standards? What about I > vendor-specific (and not necessarily compatible) extensions to industry  > standards?  = I mean this: Pick A or B. Pick only one, as they are mutually 
 exclusive:  C A) HP makes a VMS promotional video with Accuweather as the star of B the video as it just did, the same way, same bat channel, same bat format, etc.  $ B) HP doesn't make the video at all.  @ > > Promoting VMS, of course! So why be more upset of the lesserE > > of the two? Don't miss the forest for the trees, or whatever that  > > saying is! > > > How 'bout, "A nod is as good as a wink - to a blind horse."?   Not applicable.    > H > Let's try a different circumstance: a village / town/ city or whateverJ > builds a grand new "city hall" - lots of gleaming bronze, marble stairs, > etc., but no ramps.  > I > Do we congratulate them on their magnificent new seat of government, or D > fine them for violating the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act)?  F Well, it depends on how much taxes I had to pay. Seems like a waste to> do that on a city hall. Now a grand public place, like a train station, that would be great.   : I'd congratulate them and let the govt worry about the ADA@ requirements. I'm all for accomodating the disabled, but you can
 overdo it.  I > Another example: some group produces a vehicle that consumes no fossils F > fuels and does not rely on massive voltaic piles, but rather uses anJ > entirely different process - that just happens to have the drawback thatF > it can be perverted into a weapon with some considerable destructive > power.  & Once the genie is out of the bottle...   > J > Do we congratulate them for their scientific achievement or consign them  > to the MiB's oblivion forever?   What is MiB?  6 > Just another perspective you may wish to consider... > 7 > > > > Come on. Any VMS promotion is better than none.  > > >  > > > Well, yes and no.  > >  > > Bull-Oh-Ney! > 	 > Hardly.  > : > >  A promo. targetted to Windows users only seems like aM > > > half-effort, worthy of recognition, but leaves the audience wanting (as L > > > evidenced by this thread). A promo. that is agnostic of platform seems) > > > to make a stronger statement, IMHO.  > > 4 > > Yes, but a half-effort is better than no effort: > F > Should we tell that to the families who lost loved ones in the hotelC > balcony collapse in St Louis some years back? ...in various DC-10  > crashes? ...Ford Pinto fires?   B Not relevant at all. No electrons were harmed in the making of the0 video. No non-Windows people were harmed either!  = > Either you have principles or you don't - it's that simple.  >  > > 0.5 > 0 Eq. (1)  > I > On some systems I worked on years ago, "true" was indicated by the sign J > (highest order) bit, not the lowest order bit. Negative was "true", zero6 > or positive was false (business BASIC on DCC's EOS).   Not the least bit relevant.   I > > Yes, it is true: it would have been better to have used an "agnostic" B > > [?] format. But this is still better than nothing and is to be  > > encouraged, not pooh-poohed. > J > Depends. Kinda hard to show to Linux users, Solaris users, etc. who lack > Media Slayer.   E So if hp increases sales of VMS to Windows users, that would be a bad  thing?  G > > > > Which would get a more positive response from hp in the future? I > > > > Thanking hp for this promotion and asking them to use a "standard K > > > > format" in the future or just harping on them without the slightest 7 > > > > recognition of them having done something good?  > > > F > > > Depends. Were they not so consistent in ignoring the non-WindowsM > > > population, one might be more inclined to overlook the short-fall. When K > > > their every move re-validates the "Windows is the world, the world is D > > > Windows" mantra, ... fill in your own ending to that sentence. > > G > > Since most of the world is on Windows, there are few who would miss @ > > the video. Why get all bent out of shape over missing a few? > I > Why settle for mediocrity when you can achieve excellence? (Hint: Doing F > what everyone else does and getting what everyone else gets *IS* the > definition of mediocrity.)  D Because basically you have no choice in the matter. To get people to@ do something you need a carrot and/or a stick. We are not in theC position to use the stick so we are left with the carrot. (Actually  I'd prefer Filet Mignon.)   
 > > If you= > > can't show them the video, then send them the transcript.  >  > Lacks impact. Not convincing.  >  > > And a video I > > promoting VMS is a video promoting VMS. Do you think people are going A > > to view the window promoting VMS and Accuweather and think to ( > > themselves "Hmmm. Some psychic power > F > Try the little messagebox explaining that (insert name of UN*X mediaF > player) cannot understand the file format. Nothing psychic about it.  F Uh, the Windows users won't see that and so won't be affected. Read itE again. I wrote of people viewing the video. If they can view it, then C they probably have Windows and won't see the "cannot understand..."  message.  # > > is penetrating my brain telling C > > me that this video only runs on Windows. Therefore, the VMS and D > > AccuWeather(TM) really means I should invest more in Windows andG > > forget everything else". I don't know, Dave, sounds pretty silly to  > > me!  > I > ...but not to the masses, or to the marketing mavens who introduce such > > subtleties quite intentionally to achieve that exact result!  @ Yes, a video that talks about nothing but how hp and OpenVMS are@ extremely important to the success of Accuweather is obviously a= clever Billy plot to sell more Windows. Nope, I don't see it.   K > > > > If you did something you thought was good and people just yelled at M > > > > you for not doing it quite right, would that encourage you to do more . > > > > and try to correct what you did wrong? > > > G > > > Ask that question of a child development expert. The answer might  > > > surprise you.  > >  > > Well, hp is not a child. >  > That's debatable.   / Well, if it is a child, it's not *your* child.    1 > > I suggest that you call up Carly and ball her  >  > My wife would be jealous...  > * > > out to the max! See what good it does. > I > Not that I would really consider such a thing with a recognized head of J > a major corporation. There are more tactful ways to suggest improvement.    Ah! Now we're getting somewhere!  D > Then again, "blue streak" seems to be the only language some folks
 > understand.    Explain "blue streak".   > > And what do these "child% > > development experts" know anyway?  >  > More than you, apparently.  ? Let's not get personal! You're not winning any points with this  remark.   % > > > > If Guy Peleg implemented some N > > > > cool new DCL function but did something slightly wrong, would you yellM > > > > at him for it instead of thanking him and then expect him to continue J > > > > to be enthusiastic about adding functionality to DCL? I think not! > > > N > > > Well, typically this group will be among the first to find/point out theM > > > faults. I like to think that the likes of Guy, Fred, etc. would exploit N > > > that to their best advantage (a ready group of beta-testers, if somewhat > > > sharp-toothed).  > > B > > But the group would sensibly avoid nasty insults and the like, > C > Your observation is inconsistent with this group's experience and 
 > history.   References, please?    > 	 > > which  > > was my point.  > " > You may want to revisit that ... >  > D.J.D.   A or B? Which do you prefer?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 16:20:49 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>4 Subject: Re: Accuweather video mentions VMS (TWICE!)0 Message-ID: <40EEC55B.3E8F6913@blueyonder.co.uk>  
 leslie wrote:  > 3 > Roger Fraser (roger.fraser@baesystems.com) wrote:  > :  > :  > : And you need to underline:" > : 1. VMS is virtually unhackableH > : 2. VMS clusters stay available to users even through hardware and/or > : software upgrades N > : 3. A cluster spread over a "reasonable" distance can survive a bomb takingN > : out one site. Most users would only notice a small pause while the clusterO > : reconfigures (unless they happen to be directly connected to the site taken 	 > : out).  > : D > : Why isn't that thrown at every major corporation and government? > :  > , > Because it would make Microsoft look bad ?  ? Not just Microsoft but all those who have bet their careers on  F backing it, and all those involved in spin-offs like security bolt-onsD that are much less necessary with a decent well engineered solution.         --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:01:19 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: CP Charges..., Message-ID: <c4mdnffDG8b0UnPd4p2dnA@igs.net>   Nic Clews wrote: > Paul Sture wrote:  >  >> Nic Clews wrote:  >> >>> D >>> Well one positive comment is the sound quality isn't bad, stereo >>> too. >>>  >>A >> Agreed. If anyone wants the sound track only, please ask. Best ( >> specify the format ya want though :-) >>D >>> I'm actually more amazed no one has asked why I call myself C.P.' >>> Charges... It's been 2 years now...  >> >>/ >> OK, it has had me puzzled so I'll bite. Why?  > G > I attended the HP IT forum in Manchester at the Lowry Hotel, in 2002, G > presented at by Mary Ellen Fortier and Rich Marcello. To exit the car E > park (I'd driven there) you had to purchase a token from reception. G > For company expenses, I obtained a receipt. It was made out to a "Mr.  > Car Park Charges".    F This *could* simply be a typo. As I always get confused by the English> predilection towards hypenated names, should I address you as:   Mr. Car Park Charges or Mr Car Park-Charges  :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jul 2004 10:38:00 -0700  From: lsk55@hotmail.com (Scott) - Subject: Re: Datatrieve Help Creating Domains = Message-ID: <926edf3b.0407090938.5ac50b37@posting.google.com>   G > Using Datatrieve on an AlphaServer is different than behavior on VAX. H > It took me a while to figure that out after reading some documentation > and trial-and-error.4 > The _REC_REC is odd in the filespec; but it works. > D > Jim, OpenVMS and Database Administrator, Data911, Alameda, CA, USA  B Hi, Jim... I tried it on an Alpha server just as I had typed it...! worked just fine for me.  --Scott    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:15:21 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>2 Subject: Re: Dynamic Volume Expansion & CONCATSETS8 Message-ID: <dpkte0ho8juh2mt2gignoq5ct7139bu9cp@4ax.com>  H On 8 Jul 2004 15:08:52 -0700, dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) wrote:  D >I am looking at my CLI manual for my HSG80 controllers and I noticeG >the "ADD CONCATSET" command.   It is followed by the WArning/INfo that E >this should only be used with host OS's that support "Dynamic Volume  >Expansion".> >     I know this is available with OpenVMS V7.3-2, for use inF >conjunction with the Dissimilar Device Shadowing (DDS) functionality,B >however I was wondering if (since this is an HSG controller level@ >expansion), whether I could 'grow' a CONCATSET on an OVMS 7.3-1 >system.    This is not supported on v7.3-1.K I never really liked the CONCATSET stuff in HSG anyway, always bothered me.      --- jls 0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:21:27 -0700 0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>W Subject: Re: Hello, I want to complain-- [You want to complain!] (Was:  Accuweather...) ' Message-ID: <40ee6398$1@cpns1.saic.com>    David J Dachtera wrote:  > William Webb wrote:  >    [SNIP]  B >>If HP does a bit of VMS marketing that is in a platform-agnosticG >>format [PDFs come to mind here], some people invariably complain that * >>there's not a PDF viewer built into VMS. >  > G > Careful, there. The example in this case is of broader impact, as the G > entire non-Windows community is left out in the cold (or the dark, as  > the case may be).   B Um, exactly who is left out in the cold?  The file in question is D playable on every platform I have access to, including VMS.  In all F cases, including MS Windows, it was necessary to download software in F order to play it (Windows media player needs to relatively up-to-date ; especially as regard to the codecs) but play it they could.   F This whole argument seems a tempest in a teapot to me.  HP did a very F good thing with this video.  If you want to play it on your Alpha VMS H system, help me finish the port of the software that lets you do so (it F is already far enough along that this particular video can be played).  
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:20:55 +0100 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove_.harrison@s_u_n.com> P Subject: Re: HP beats IBM in new cluster Total Cost of Ownership comparisonstudy0 Message-ID: <ccm9k6$jsb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:  E > 	Seems Sun is re-arranging the deck chairs and cutting loose and/or F > 	putting the squeeze on some pesky contractors in the U.K.  Cutting  > 	headcount and saving money: > A > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/07/sun_support_outsourced/  > J > Sun Microsystems is to offload 40 UK engineers from its managed servicesM > business with an outsourcing contract due to begin on 1 September. The site O > based engineers - who provide front-line support for Sun servers at BT, Rolls O > Royce and major banks like Credit Suisse - learned last week that their roles O > had been put out to competitive tender. A consultation period between workers P > and managers will take place this month. We understand Suns customers will not > be consulted over the move.  > P > The move affects only site-based service engineers not staff from Sun's largerI > field services organisation. One of those affected, who asked to remain < > anonymous, said that staff felt "very angry and let down". >    More ill informed FUD.  : The engineers the Register refer to were not Sun employees; they work for Sun's services partners. Sun had a relatively 6 large number of partners with a lot of overlap and has7 reduced the number of companies to 2. The engineers the = article refered to would almost certainly be ones working for 7 one of the vendors who lost out in the rationalisation.   : Not of course you fault that the Register got it wrong but; rather ironic when the earlier discusion was about your and < other OpenVMS choiristers ability to support their arguments with factual collateral.  * You remain as ever a source of ammusement.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jul 2004 09:47:24 -0700 & From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)2 Subject: HP Itanium servers at CDW, OpenVMS listed= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0407090847.22d6a584@posting.google.com>   @ Sort of a minor OpenVMS sighting.  I just received a CDW catalogA featuring HP products.  On page 9, four itanium based servers are E listed.  The descriptions for the rx1600-2 and rx2600-2 list "OpenVMS A V8.1 Evaluation Release and OpenVMS V8.2", and the rx4640-8 lists : "OpenVMS".  The rx5670 only lists HPUX, wintel, and Linux.  % Unfortunately no prices are listed...    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2004 23:36:04 -0700 ' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) F Subject: Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article= Message-ID: <734da31c.0407082236.4ddad67a@posting.google.com>   q Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<ccbt0n$g95$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > Main, Kerry wrote: > >  >   
 > > ROTFL ..   > > G > > Yep, I can just imagine an Intel Mgr saying to the Senior Mgmt team I > > "Look, I know we are all nervous about cancelling these projects, but G > > look - Sun just cancelled USV, so its ok for us to cancel a project 	 > > to.."  >  > Hilarious. (Not) > 8 > The analyst from MDR was entirely serious when he made > the point.   Oh, was he serious. Wow.  ; > They know the microprocessor industry and to be blunt you < > have never appeared to have much of a clue. Given that and: > the numerous strategies that companies adopt to bury bad > news.  > 8 > Laughing at the wrong point in a converstion is always > socially embarassing.   > Well, taking newsgroups very seriuosly and pointing out others" "errors" is even more embarassing.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 13:59:41 +0100 @ From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove_.harrison@_remove_.sun.com>F Subject: Re: Intel Itanium's very survival in doubt - inquirer article0 Message-ID: <ccm4rr$gv2$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David Svensson wrote: s > Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<ccbt0n$g95$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >  >>Main, Kerry wrote: >> >>   >> >>>ROTFL ..  >>> F >>>Yep, I can just imagine an Intel Mgr saying to the Senior Mgmt teamH >>>"Look, I know we are all nervous about cancelling these projects, butF >>>look - Sun just cancelled USV, so its ok for us to cancel a project >>>to.." >> >>Hilarious. (Not) >>8 >>The analyst from MDR was entirely serious when he made >>the point. >  >  > Oh, was he serious. Wow. >  > ; >>They know the microprocessor industry and to be blunt you < >>have never appeared to have much of a clue. Given that and: >>the numerous strategies that companies adopt to bury bad >>news.  >>8 >>Laughing at the wrong point in a converstion is always >>socially embarassing.  >  > @ > Well, taking newsgroups very seriuosly and pointing out others$ > "errors" is even more embarassing.  : Well if they are simple errors then you would have a point$ however Errors are just a euphamism.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:31:10 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> > Subject: Re: New vms install, problem with serial console opa08 Message-ID: <gf1te0tjca0d4sbevl3jk7igt9a8fnkf0s@4ax.com>  P On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:21:56 -0400, "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote:  I >> [...] simh emulator on windows. [...] I need to start the emulator and 9 >> boot and login through a device that allows graphics.   > > >SIMH doesn't emulate the graphics hardware like a VAXstation. > B >Instead, get TCP/IP working first.  Then, use a X-windows server E >(Reflection, Hummingbird, XFree86, etc.) to connect via TCP/IP.  If  G >you need a whole login session on VMS (instead of individual graphics  G >terminals), that requires just a little more VMS magic, which I can't   >remember at the moment. > D >It's also possible to transport graphics across DECnet or LAT, but G >current Windows X products do not have DEC-protocol support anymore.   " >It's available on Linux, however.   Excursion supports DECnet.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:21:50 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)> Subject: Re: New vms install, problem with serial console opa00 Message-ID: <newscache$ekhl0i$arw$1@news.sil.at>  \ In article <gf1te0tjca0d4sbevl3jk7igt9a8fnkf0s@4ax.com>, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes: >Excursion supports DECnet.   H But only with the PATHWORKS-32 stack beneath (Xcur alone is TCPIP only).  , 	http://www.openvms.digital.com/pathworks32/  A That means, you need to install both components (not Xcur alone). I The License is one for all components in the package (PW32, Xcur & PT525)    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:27:36 GMT' From: Rick Dyson <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS Management Station -  cluster storage ???? 1 Message-ID: <I0LHu0.9sL@sysadm.physics.uiowa.edu>   B Well tickle me pink!  I did get a bite on my post!  I'll look intoF it.  It's always hard to keep up with some of these products when they9 are not on the ConDist set and easy to scan in one place!    Thanks!    Dave Gudewicz wrote:   > OMS is up to v3.2c.  SeeG > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/argus/index.html  for more K > details.  Once OMS gets going on I64, the development team will have more I > time for improvements, etc.  This I heard @ the Nov. 2003 VMS bootcamp.  > K > Don't think OMS is dead.  And looking at it from a help-desk pov, its got  > some appeal. > 	 > Dave...  > 6 > "Rick Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> wrote in message- > news:I0JoH0.DDD@sysadm.physics.uiowa.edu...   C >>I suspect it is a long dead product.  I have never seen an update H >>on the client side.  (Has anyone else ever seen anything except v3.0?) >>
 >>Regards, >>Rick Dyson   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jul 2004 02:43:05 -0700  From: mb301@hotmail.com (MB)A Subject: OpenVMS probably the best designed o/s in  the market... = Message-ID: <1d08b916.0407090143.2e2eaeb8@posting.google.com>   : Does anyone have next week copy of Comperter Weekly yet... (6-Jul-2004)  > OpenVMS is probably one of the best designed and most reliableA operating systems on the market, so why is it unnoticed and under 
 apprecicated?    http://www.computerweekly.com/   MB   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:00:59 +0100 & From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]> Subject: OT: CP Charges...' Message-ID: <ccm8js$2jf$1@lore.csc.com>    Paul Sture wrote:    > Nic Clews wrote: >  >>H >> Well one positive comment is the sound quality isn't bad, stereo too. >> > I > Agreed. If anyone wants the sound track only, please ask. Best specify   > the format ya want though :-)  > D >> I'm actually more amazed no one has asked why I call myself C.P. & >> Charges... It's been 2 years now... >  > . > OK, it has had me puzzled so I'll bite. Why?  F I attended the HP IT forum in Manchester at the Lowry Hotel, in 2002, F presented at by Mary Ellen Fortier and Rich Marcello. To exit the car H park (I'd driven there) you had to purchase a token from reception. For F company expenses, I obtained a receipt. It was made out to a "Mr. Car  Park Charges".   Proof:  + http://www.python.demon.co.uk/cpcharges.gif   D I didn't submit the expenses, I reckoned the amusement value of the G document (which I still possess) is worth more than what I paid for it.   " (I know the scan is big - 66k b/w) --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 13:41:56 +0200 > From: Alain Chappuis <Alain.Chappuis@medecine.unige.ch.nospam>9 Subject: Re: Question about AS 800 and display resolution & Message-ID: <40ee8485$1@nntp.unige.ch>  + Thank you very much Hans for your patience.    Hans Vlems a crit : > Alain, > I > right now I'm not able to check details but there's a "quick and dirty" 	 > method. 9 > Edit SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM and add the commands ( > posted earlier at the end of the file: > .  > .  > .  >  > $ set verify" > $ decw$server_page_file== 160000  > $ decw$xsize_in_pixels == 1280  > $ decw$ysize_in_pixels == 10248 > $ define/exec/system/nolog decw$server_pixel_depth  248 > $ define/exec/system/nolog decw$server_refresh_rate 75 > $ set noverify > $!< > $ exit                          ! end of SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM > N > You should see these commands on the screen just before Xmotif gets started.A > Alternatively, you could add $ set verify and $ set noverify in , > SYS$STARTUP:decw$private_server_setup.com.M > If you see these commands on the console then you know they got executed. Im > cannot remember off handK > whether the call to decw$private_server_setup.com must be added manually.   9 Yes the too scripts are executed right, with out problem.': I think the problem be come the graphic card. This card isD voluntary down at 800X600 Svga (for the server), no have possibility to increase the density.  & Never mind, uses my station like that.   Many thanks for your help. Alaina -- e@   Alain Chappuis    (Remove NO.SPAM to answer me in my address!)@   Universit de Genve /Facult de Mdecine/Service Informatique1   http://www.sifm.unige.ch/presentation/alain.phpe   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:50:13 +0100-0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: raid 210/swxcr etcw+ Message-ID: <40EE6A55.7060902@sorry.nospam>a  I Oh, that's a blow - I think there's some spare drives (2 hot spares that  I I didn't need for anything else) in the cab, & I was hoping to configure <F one of them JBOD without significant downtime - I seem to recall disk H configuration times measured in weeks for SRLMGR. This is our webserver F - it typically has a few quietish minutes around 3-4am, but is fairly  active 24*7 otherwise.G Probably installing decwindows is going to be the least downtime I can  E get away with, provided the management utility will let me configure a3 another JBOD disk - can't see anything in the docs.r  G Yes please, Rick, if you've got a copy I'd appreciate it emailed to me .I at ccagroup co uk - as I say my floppies have degraded to unreadable (as  G they do), so I could do to keep backup copies on a hard disk somewhere.    Thanks,  Chrisk   Rick Dyson wrote: G > I have copies of those floppies.  The last versions I believe and thePH > Firmware updates for the 210 (HSZ20) too.  Do you know your F/W level? > H > This is the internal PCI or EISA card, right?  When VMS boots, it willJ > announce the F/W level and whether any drives are degraged, failed, etc. > F > The only way that I know to configure the internal RAID controllers  > (210, 230,J > 230+, etc) was via the command line, ARC/SRM interface.  There were someA > things you can do with the DECW app, but not the real low ones.r > K > If you still need the stuff, I can try to get it to you.  I know some of h > the.I > web URLs to DEC/Compaq were no longer available, but someone found some > > cached versions of links on Google that were still readable. > G > All the details and files are at home right now, so I can't give you < > specifics.H > I have an old 210 in my home system there and a 230+ and a 210 at someB > customers sites.  Contact me if you are interested in the files. > 
 > Regards, > Rick >  > Chuck Chopp wrote: > ! >> mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote:> >> >>> F >>> That Standalone RAID floppy may have the SRLMGR executable on it.  >>> It's theL >>> serial line equivalent of SWXCRMGR and must be run from the console with2 >>> VMS down. A google search for SRLMGR may help. >> >> >>I >> I had to tangle with this a few years ago.... the upgraded standalone gF >> raid utilities disk was downloadable from Compaq's web site at the E >> time, and the program names had changed a bit.  There was still a oG >> serial line version of the SWXCR manager, but it was no longernamed dH >> SRLMGR.EXE.  It still required that the ARC console be used in place H >> of the SRM console, and both consoles can be invoked over the serial D >> port on an Alpha system.  I think the updated software was named H >> something like RAID Array 210 Standalone Configuration Utility, with F >> program names something like RACFG.EXE and RASRL.EXE.  It's been 3 H >> years since I did this and the memory is dim, so the names might not E >> be correct and I don't have the files readily accessible to verifyo >>J >> Please note that you cannot dynamically expand an existing drive group J >> on a SWXCR RAID controller.  You can only add new groups at the end of C >> the alpabetic list of groups, and existing drive groups must be wJ >> completely utilized by logical drives before newly added groups can be ! >> carved up into logical drives.  >> >> >    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:48:49 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org! Subject: Re: XBitHack in SWS 2.0?m) Message-ID: <04070908484927@antinode.org>n  ) From: "Rick Barry" <richard.barry@hp.com>U  N > Not new, it's been this way since CSWS 1.2. The source code has the XbitHack > feature disabled.   E    "Since CSWS 1.2" meaning "after, but not including, CSWS 1.3"?  Mya= server reports "Server: Apache/1.3.20 (OpenVMS) mod_ssl/2.8.4uD OpenSSL/0.9.6g", and XbitHack seems to be working.  See for example,3 "http://www.antinode.org/test/xbh_test.html" versusz/ "http://www.antinode.org/test/xbh_test_x.html".-  ' ALP $ DIRECTORY /DATE /PROTECTION /SIZEM  " Directory ALP$DKA0:[WWW.DOCS.TEST]  D XBH_TEST.HTML;1            2   9-JUL-2004 09:00:54.23  (RWD,RWD,R,R)E XBH_TEST_X.HTML;1          2   9-JUL-2004 09:02:24.47  (RWD,RWED,R,R)6A       [Note: -------------------------------------------------^.]C  , ALP $ diff XBH_TEST.HTML;1 XBH_TEST_X.HTML;1& Number of difference sections found: 0% Number of difference records found: 0n    DIFFERENCES /IGNORE=()/MERGED=1-,     ALP$DKA0:[WWW.DOCS.TEST]XBH_TEST.HTML;1--     ALP$DKA0:[WWW.DOCS.TEST]XBH_TEST_X.HTML;1w  * Or am I missing something obvious (again)?  H    Also, I missed the reasoning on why this feature should be disabled. D I thought it was handy.  (Of course, I also thought it was working.)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org%    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.377 ************************