1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 12 Jul 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 383       Contents:? Re: Call to stop blaming the users -- make software more secure  Re: CDSA - experiences/help? Re: CDSA - experiences/help? cluster_config extreme badness Re: CP Charges... $ Re: Datatrieve Help Creating Domains  DECnet Phase IV Time Sync Needed$ Re: DECnet Phase IV Time Sync Needed$ Re: DECnet Phase IV Time Sync Needed$ Re: DECnet Phase IV Time Sync Needed Re: fork() problem Re: fork() problem Re: fork() problem Re: fork() problem Re: fork() problem Re: fork() problem+ Re: g77 linker "multiple definition" errors + Re: g77 linker "multiple definition" errors - Re: HP Itanium servers at CDW, OpenVMS listed * Re: Memory test diags for Alphastation 255* Re: Memory test diags for Alphastation 255# Re: MySQL 4.1.3-beta on ODS2 volume 5 Re: New vms install, problem with serial console opa0 5 Re: New vms install, problem with serial console opa0 / Re: OpenVMS license transfer  policies and fees  Re: OpenVMS Positions - Europe Re: OpenVMS Positions - Europe RE: OpenVMS Positions - Europe Re: OpenVMS Positions - Europe Re: OpenVMS Positions - Europe Re: OpenVMS Positions - Europe0 Re: Question about AS 800 and display resolution) Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the Wall ) Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the Wall  Re: XBitHack in SWS 2.0?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2004 10:06:21 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) H Subject: Re: Call to stop blaming the users -- make software more secure= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0407120906.390ea019@posting.google.com>   W "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<V8GdnUIvFNYjzXLdRVn-gw@igs.net>...  > Keith, > N > Did you write you the author of the article to explain how a secure reliableL > operating system is the cornerstone to any 'safe' application, and how VMS > fits that bill?   F I had not. Thanks for the reminder. Now I have. But a note from a user7 is far more convincing than any from a vendor employee.   @ By the way, it was directly as a result of feedback from OpenVMSE customers on an earlier article by Drew Robb that we got that article E in Computerworld about VAX systems (and OpenVMS on Itanium) recently. 5 So feedback does make a real and tangible difference.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:02:40 GMT 7 From: "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@fubar.comcast.net> % Subject: Re: CDSA - experiences/help? - Message-ID: <kduIc.74481$Oq2.18470@attbi_s52>    Thanks.   E I have serious doubts about the sanity of this request, but I have to  investigate anyway...    Regards, Tom   : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:+HTY5Ykjgtnk@eisner.encompasserve.org... = > In article <YfcIc.52159$JR4.38723@attbi_s54>, "Tom Simpson" + <thomas.simpson1@fubar.comcast.net> writes: 6 > > Is anyone writing applications using the CDSA API? > > K > > We have a client that is requesting that all of their data be encrypted  and 6 > > I'm exploring the possibilities on how to do that. > E > "All of their data being encrypted" sounds like a dangerously naive A > requirement that need _extensive_ design to actually accomplish  > anything.  > = > Key storage is a _crucial_ issue, and I believe that _most_ = > applications of encryption today are totally useless due to  > inadequate key storage.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:05:26 GMT 7 From: "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@fubar.comcast.net> % Subject: Re: CDSA - experiences/help? , Message-ID: <WfuIc.39798$WX.34484@attbi_s51>   Thanks for the response!  J I thought Oracle had a built-in encryption tool kit.  Why wouldn't you use that?    Regards, Tom   . "Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net> wrote in message6 news:kuff-3139AC.17332911072004@library.airnews.net.../ > In article <YfcIc.52159$JR4.38723@attbi_s54>, ; >  "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@fubar.comcast.net> wrote:  > 6 > > Is anyone writing applications using the CDSA API? > > K > > We have a client that is requesting that all of their data be encrypted  and J > > I'm exploring the possibilities on how to do that.  It looks like CDSA willF > > allow us to encrypt the data at the field level.  I'm wondering if anyoneJ > > has tried that and what the impact on performance is in general terms. > > C > > All of our data is in RMS files that are accessed from a custom  application + > > written in BASIC and using lots of FMS, / > > running VMS 7.3-1 on a 2-node ES40 cluster.  > > H > > We are also looking into converting the application to Oracle, since I'veJ > > been told that it's a fairly easy matter to encrypt the data once your data > > is in Oracle.  > > H > > No matter what path we take, it looks like this is going to be major > > project. > > 7 > > I'm open to suggentions for alternative approaches.  > >  > > Thanks,  > > Tom  > >  > >  > >  >  > G >   We have successfully deployed a 3DES callable routine that encrypts H > and decrypts data as a standard RTL langauge CDSA V2.0 routine.  WorksD > just fine, we call it about 10,000 times per day to work with dataC > stored in Oracle and Oracle/RDB as well as RMS Index files. It is H > compatibe with the Oracle implementation. I have sample basic language< > test routines, I prefer to test things in OpenVMS Basic... > J >   I can also refer you to a great consultant that can do something a bitJ > more custom (the fellow that did this work for us is very good).  In anyC > case I could pass on to you or anyone else enough code to get you 
 > started. >  >   Kuff _at_ tessco dot com   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2004 12:23:34 -0500. From: frey@encompasserve.org (Lurker at Large)' Subject: cluster_config extreme badness 3 Message-ID: <mfPwPawg7bI7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   F 	A few months ago a coworker and I ran into this the hard way when we L were building a new cluster for a customer.  It had been a while since we'd P last built a cluster and one of the questions in cluster_config confused us, so J we decided to back out of it and check something.  We hit control-Y.  And N proceeded to see a bunch of file deletion messages scroll over the screen.  A D few minutes later it became very apparent that most of the files in P sys$manager and sys$system had been deleted.  We were quite shocked.  Yesterday L another coworker was building a new cluster for a different division of the F same customer and did the same thing.  This is a serious problem with L cluster_config.  Does anyone have a reasonable explanation for why the heck E cluster_config is written this way?  WTF would anyone want to delete  P sys$sysroot just because you control-Y out of something???  (This is apparently I on VMS 7.* and not on VMS 6.* based on my research on our test machines.) = 	Annoyed beyond belief, I checked the comfile and found this:   
 [snippage]  ) $ON CONTROL_Y THEN GOTO common_error_exit   
 [snippage]   $Common_error_exit:  $on error then continue  $on control_y then continue  $exit_status = CCC$ERROR_EXIT ! $IF F$TYPE(new_dir_tree) .NES. ""  $THEN  $IF new_dir_tree $THEN ! $delete/symbol/local new_dir_tree  $GOSUB delete_network_info $GOSUB del_root  $ENDIF  
 [snippage]  
 $DEL_ROOT:- $say "    Deleting directory tree ''ROOT'..."  $sdroot = sd + "<" + root - ">" ; $if f$search("''sd'<''root'>syscommon.dir") .nes. "" then - ) set file /remove 'sdroot'>syscommon.dir;*  $if (host_arch .eqs. "VAX")  $then ; $if (f$search("''sd'<''root'.sysexe>sysboot.exe") .nes. "")  $then / $set file /remove 'sdroot'.sysexe>sysboot.exe;*  $endif $endif $stream_id = 0
 $Dele_rem: $stream_id = stream_id + 1	 $set noon M $IF F$SEARCH("''sd'<''root'...>*.*;*",'stream_id) .EQS. "" THEN GOTO fini_rem ! $DELETE 'logit' 'sdroot'...>*.*;*  $set on  $GOTO dele_rem
 $Fini_rem:X $if f$search("''sd'<0,0>''root'.dir") .nes. "" then Delete 'logit' 'sd'<0,0>'root'.dir;* $sdroot = sd + "<" + root + ">" ' $say "    System root ''ROOT' deleted."  $RETURN    --      - Sharon, lurker at Large% http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jcwoman    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:47:00 +0100 & From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]> Subject: Re: CP Charges...' Message-ID: <cctjba$idp$1@lore.csc.com>    Nigel Barker wrote:   I > On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:01:19 -0400, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  >  > H >>This *could* simply be a typo. As I always get confused by the English@ >>predilection towards hypenated names, should I address you as: >> >>Mr. Car Park Charges >>or >>Mr Car Park-Charges  >  > F > For us Brits it should be either Sir Car Park-Charges or Lord Car of > Park-Charges:-)   I Well yes I think if Ester Rantzen's "That's Life" was still on, I'd send  F it up to join the ranks of final demand for payment of 0.00p or we'll G cut you off, and there's no gas supply, or turnips shaped like thingys.   G Actually, what was funny, was a certain VMS ambassador was laughing so  G much, he let the barrier go up, then back down and had to get the door   man to let him out!  --  E Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. Car Park Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2004 07:53:39 -0700. From: jonard@xlnsystems.com (Thomas A. Jonard)- Subject: Re: Datatrieve Help Creating Domains = Message-ID: <73843d93.0407120653.6508a486@posting.google.com>   p JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) wrote in message news:<4b6ec350.0407081619.3293d24@posting.google.com>...G > What is different between VAX and Alpha was (historically) VAX stored D > objects in the Common Data Dictionary (CDD) where Alpha stores the- > objects in individual files in directories.   E Actually what happened is that Digital sold the CDD product to Oracle E and had to provide a facility for DTR to store its definitions.  Thus D this "files in directories" technique was born.  But if you have the CDD DTR will interface to it.    Tom   * (Thomas A. Jonard,  jonard@XLNsystems.com)   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2004 08:24:43 -0500, From: FACochrane@Yahoo.com (Arthur Cochrane)) Subject: DECnet Phase IV Time Sync Needed 3 Message-ID: <CtiCr4naWW$G@eisner.encompasserve.org>   G     We have two VMS systems that are going to be moved to a DECnet omly H     link between the data center and a remote location. Why? Because theF     Blaster virus last year caused so much traffic on the network thatI     important operations were affected between these two sites. Right now G     these systems sync their time via NTP. Once these move that ability 9     goes away. These systems are running DECnet Phase IV.      K     My question is there a time sync over DECnet network we can use to keep J     these systems in sync with each other? If not we will have to use wallF     clock time sync (to a set time via the wall clock every so often).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:40:28 +0300 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>- Subject: Re: DECnet Phase IV Time Sync Needed & Message-ID: <40F2BEFB.50D3B833@hp.com>   Arthur Cochrane wrote: > I >     We have two VMS systems that are going to be moved to a DECnet omly J >     link between the data center and a remote location. Why? Because theH >     Blaster virus last year caused so much traffic on the network thatK >     important operations were affected between these two sites. Right now I >     these systems sync their time via NTP. Once these move that ability ; >     goes away. These systems are running DECnet Phase IV.  > M >     My question is there a time sync over DECnet network we can use to keep L >     these systems in sync with each other? If not we will have to use wallH >     clock time sync (to a set time via the wall clock every so often).  ' How accurate must the time setting be?  < The easiest, but probably _not_ the most accurate might be aF task-to-task link. Its simple enough to code in DCL, at least for test/ purposes. IIRC theres an example in the manual.    Mike.    --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:32:01 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: DECnet Phase IV Time Sync Needed 0 Message-ID: <87llhpjif2.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  . FACochrane@Yahoo.com (Arthur Cochrane) writes:  D >     We have two VMS systems that are going to be moved to a DECnetC >     omly link between the data center and a remote location. Why? C >     Because the Blaster virus last year caused so much traffic on A >     the network that important operations were affected between B >     these two sites. Right now these systems sync their time viaD >     NTP. Once these move that ability goes away. These systems are >     running DECnet Phase IV.       E >     My question is there a time sync over DECnet network we can use C >     to keep these systems in sync with each other? If not we will B >     have to use wall clock time sync (to a set time via the wall >     clock every so often).  C Can you sync each to external chimers? or is all IP being given the C shove?  It should be a SMOP to get a DECnet version of NTP going... F Ask on the ntp news group, even if only to see how far Dave Mills runs :)   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:07:50 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> - Subject: Re: DECnet Phase IV Time Sync Needed = Message-ID: <GzzIc.1605$Nl1.19419154@news-text.cableinet.net>   C Nothing in DECnet Phase IV, but as has been suggested it's not that K difficult to code something up for a couple of machines over a DECnet link. L Depending on how closely you need them to be in sync you could even use DCL.L It's usually the case that accuracy of relative time (to determine the order? of events) is more important than accuracy relative to a datum.   K If you want it done well then I'd seriously recommend moving to DECnet-Plus L with Phase IV compatible addressing. Then you get DTSS and it's much better.J Many years ago I invested serious time and effort in coding a network timeK sync layer for a distributed real-time control system using DECnet Phase IV L (it worked pretty well too), but we binned it as soon as DTSS appeared. DTSSE just does a really nice job when you feed it with a reliable accurate  external time source.    --     Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk L Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:38:20 GMT C From: "Zhelgadis, aka Jan Valker" <zhelgadis@togli.questo.email.it>  Subject: Re: fork() problem 2 Message-ID: <31vyQNWJ0Z9i1ZzoYhtsA7lUvWaj@4ax.com>  7 On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:20:06 -0400, "Stanley F. Quayle"  <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote:   @ >If you're just starting a new process, and don't need to share G >resources (mmap memory, I/O, etc.) with the subprocess, you could use  . >lib$spawn instead of calling the fork family.  D I need to work with some of the variables of the parent process... I1 guess that it will be hard work, at this point :/    --  ) ZHELGADIS THE LIGHTBRINGER (ICQ 33134824) B BAG#008,DPPSJ#000,BAT#013,TFC#012,GAM#026,ZZZZ#027,CID#027,PAN#015/ "Aspettare non  mai stato un problema, per me. G Posso trascorrere piacevolmente ore e ore con l'aiuto di un buon caff"    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jul 2004 10:05:47 GMT3 From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.dyndns.org>  Subject: Re: fork() problem / Message-ID: <slrncf4ojq.pa.thierry@MARS.Family>   A On 2004-07-12, Zhelgadis <zhelgadis@togli.questo.email.it> wrote: 9 > On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:20:06 -0400, "Stanley F. Quayle"   ><squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote: > A >>If you're just starting a new process, and don't need to share  H >>resources (mmap memory, I/O, etc.) with the subprocess, you could use / >>lib$spawn instead of calling the fork family.  > F > I need to work with some of the variables of the parent process... I3 > guess that it will be hard work, at this point :/   C Just a thought - how about a mailbox or some global memory section?    Thierry    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2004 07:56:25 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: fork() problem 3 Message-ID: <r0oNvRTlcLXs@eisner.encompasserve.org>   x In article <xjrxQHBMCNzJjl=j5l6T04cwLNXj@4ax.com>, "Zhelgadis, aka Jan Valker" <zhelgadis@togli.questo.email.it> writes: > E > Now, I know that vfork() must be followed by a exec(), immediately. C > If I have well understood, even the lib$spawn() call has the same 3 > problem... is there any way to work around this?    A    Wait until the COE work adds a real fork() to VMS.  Until then     redesign and recode.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2004 07:57:21 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: fork() problem 3 Message-ID: <pmT0yA$DRypx@eisner.encompasserve.org>   x In article <31vyQNWJ0Z9i1ZzoYhtsA7lUvWaj@4ax.com>, "Zhelgadis, aka Jan Valker" <zhelgadis@togli.questo.email.it> writes:9 > On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:20:06 -0400, "Stanley F. Quayle" ! > <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote:  > A >>If you're just starting a new process, and don't need to share  H >>resources (mmap memory, I/O, etc.) with the subprocess, you could use / >>lib$spawn instead of calling the fork family.  > F > I need to work with some of the variables of the parent process... I3 > guess that it will be hard work, at this point :/   ;    I'd try redesigning to use threads instead of processes.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:44:34 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> Subject: Re: fork() problem / Message-ID: <40F25D82.29069.12C47E4B@localhost>   F > I need to work with some of the variables of the parent process... I4 > guess that it will be hard work, at this point :/   C You can't reach into the parent's address space for "free", that's   for sure...     / On 12 Jul 2004 at 10:05, Thierry Dussuet wrote: E > Just a thought - how about a mailbox or some global memory section?   C To expand on this suggestion -- how are you communicating with the  E parent's variables on Unix?  If it's by using mmap to create a chunk  D of address space, this translates directly to global sections under A VMS.  It's not automatic, but you could isolate the changes to a   small part of your code.  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2004 16:09:37 +0200C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)  Subject: Re: fork() problem + Message-ID: <40f29ba1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   F In article <xjrxQHBMCNzJjl=j5l6T04cwLNXj@4ax.com>, "Zhelgadis, aka Jan1 Valker" <zhelgadis@togli.questo.email.it> writes:  >Hi all = >I am an OpenVMS newbie, experiencing some porting problem... E >I am trying to port an Unix program to VMS and of course I have some E >troubles with the fork() system call ;-) I have a program like this:  >  >switch (fork()) {	 >	case 0:  >		do_something();# >		call_function(which_calls_exec); 
 >	case -1: >		destroy_computer(); >} >conquer_world();  >//other_stuff > D >Now, I know that vfork() must be followed by a exec(), immediately.B >If I have well understood, even the lib$spawn() call has the sameC >problem... is there any way to work around this? I tried to search > >google and the HP documentation, but did not find anything...0 >Of course, any helo will be humbly accepted ;-)? >Thanks all for your patience and excuse me for my english ^_^;   F There are examples in the C - Manual & references in "Ask the wizard".  	 eberhard     >-- * >ZHELGADIS THE LIGHTBRINGER (ICQ 33134824)C >BAG#008,DPPSJ#000,BAT#013,TFC#012,GAM#026,ZZZZ#027,CID#027,PAN#015 0 >"Aspettare non  mai stato un problema, per me.H >Posso trascorrere piacevolmente ore e ore con l'aiuto di un buon caff" >    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2004 07:53:19 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 4 Subject: Re: g77 linker "multiple definition" errors3 Message-ID: <ab5$LGtDf+8c@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <SJ2Ic.55324$%_6.54922@attbi_s01>, glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes: >  > 7 > Is VMS/Itanic, oops, Itanium available for hobbyists?  > : > It might be that older hardware is available at hobbyist1 > pricing, maybe even more affordable than Alpha.   B    If you find some cheap old Itaniums that will boot VMS, let the    rest of us know.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:37:56 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> 4 Subject: Re: g77 linker "multiple definition" errors8 Message-ID: <tn55f05e1b024nqffv3vg5jds1ebbom24b@4ax.com>  L On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:26:40 GMT, glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:   >David J Dachtera wrote: > ! >(snip regarding OpenVMS/Itanium)  > I >> At the moment, V8.1 (pre-release version - V8.2 is due out Q4 of 2004) K >> can be had for $75 for the media. The hobbyist licenses should work. See $ >> http://www.openvmshobbyist.org/ . > 7 >> Sorry. I don't have a URL handy for the V8.1 CD. Try K >> http://www.hp.com/go/openvms and look around a bit. I may do that myself . >> a bit later. If a find a URL, I'll post it. > T >http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/81layeredprods.html > @ >It seems that BASIC, C++, and Pascal are available, but I don't@ >see anything about Fortran.  The OpenVMS CD is $75, the layered8 >products (compilers and such) are available on the web, >no PAK (license keys) needed.  H Fortran ships with the 8.1 SDK along with a whole bunch of other layeredL products (C, DECset etc). The products available for download are those that* weren't ready at the time the SDK shipped.  C >I wonder if it will run on earlier than Itanium 2 systems, though.   H It will run on Mckinley rx2600s but note that 8.2 will not support these original Itanium 2 systems.   = >The web page seems to be pretty restrictive on which systems  >and I/O devices it allows.   L It's not actually a list of what's supported as it is an Evaluation Release.P This is a list of adaptors etc that are used in systems by VMS engineering & areL know to work. Other parts may or may not work but either way you are on your own.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:47:40 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> 6 Subject: Re: HP Itanium servers at CDW, OpenVMS listedA Message-ID: <MgzIc.35979$eH1.17037115@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>   ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:40EF58F0.C1135147@comcast.net...  > Rich Jordan wrote: > > D > > Sort of a minor OpenVMS sighting.  I just received a CDW catalogE > > featuring HP products.  On page 9, four itanium based servers are I > > listed.  The descriptions for the rx1600-2 and rx2600-2 list "OpenVMS E > > V8.1 Evaluation Release and OpenVMS V8.2", and the rx4640-8 lists > > > "OpenVMS".  The rx5670 only lists HPUX, wintel, and Linux. > > ) > > Unfortunately no prices are listed...  > / > WoW!!!! You can't BUY that kind of publicity!  >   I Sure you can, lots (maybe most) of the space in computer catalogs is paid  for by the vendor.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:28:51 +0100 & From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]>3 Subject: Re: Memory test diags for Alphastation 255 ' Message-ID: <ccti9a$i3l$1@lore.csc.com>    Z wrote:   > Nic Clews wrote: > I >> Yes, I'd advise you update the firmware, I have seen some cases where, H >> for an indeterminate reason, it was necessary to stop errors or otherK >> behaviour. And be aware that if the firmware is TOO old on a system, you  >  > < > Ok, I used the Firmware V5.3 CD.  The system now has a 6.9< > SRM.  Do I need to update any of the other firmware on the > box? > < > Should I be using firmware more recent than V5.3 for a 255 > running OpenVMS 7.1-2? > ? > I have the V5.9 firmware CD, too, but I think it has the same  > SRM as the V5.3 CD.  >  > F >> really need an original firmware disk, some early firmware on early, >> systems just is not happy with CDR media. >>H >> Of course you may need to increase the kernel stack pages again. Some >  > B > Before the SRM update, I went to 8 but system was still crashingG > with the Kernel Stack error.  Then with KSTACKPAGES at 16, DECWindows % > wouldn't load at all during reboot:  > - > I got a repeatable BUGCHECK, for SSRVEXCEPT  > process: DECW$STARTUP $ > image: [SYS0.SYSCOMMON]INSTALL.EXE  $ Oops sorry only just spotted this...  D Over firmware version to run, it is not so much "which f/w supports G which o/s" as "which f/w addresses all the issues in the o/s version I   am running"   B Even some of the current firmware versions are applicable to some C systems running 7.1 or 6.2, even though the (e.g.) 7.1 fell out of  < support long ago. Issues can and are still found in certain 3 circumstances in hardware, and these are addressed.   G However you're right that some hardware has not been updated in a long  F time, and I thing (correct me someone if I'm wrong) that V6.2 was the E LAST to have ALL Alpha firmware, 6.3 does not have firmware for some  ? earlier Alphas, and those whose firmware has not changed for a   considerable time.  G Now, as to your problem, you need to do a conversational bootstrap and   disable windowing for now.    >>> B -fl 0,1  I At the SYSBOOT> prompt, do SET WINDOW 0 then a CONT on the next SYSBOOT>   line.   G System should start and and up with getting a login prompt, so, log in!   D You need to determine the image that is giving you the crash, it is H possible that it has become corrupted. The INSTALL image is the "agent" @ which loads the shareable image into memory, and you need to do H ANAL/IMAGE against it [whatever is being loaded into shared memory with  INSTALL]  I Perhaps SET VERIFY and @ the startup. HOLD SCREEN before the crash wipes  D the data off the screen or use a hardcopy, or emulator with logging.  G The startup installs and checks the status of some required files, the  G DECW$STARTAPPS does most of the decwindows specific image installation.   > See how you get on and report here (if you need more detailed  step-by-step, email me). --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 05:08:12 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> 3 Subject: Re: Memory test diags for Alphastation 255 0 Message-ID: <10f4vp1l7fua0a6@corp.supernews.com>   Nic Clews wrote:@ > See how you get on and report here (if you need more detailed  > step-by-step, email me).  A I did a conversational boot, reduced KSTACKPAGES and saw that the B crashes were still happening.  Eventually, frustrated, I wiped theE system and reloaded 7.1-2.  Checking my notes, I saw that the crashes C began about a year ago, shortly after I installed 13 VMS patches on  the system.   C The patches were recommended by HP and installed at customer sites, ? but they're running ES40 clusters with a much different storage C configuration.  One patch, CPU2208, was not for 255s, so maybe that # was the culprit; I just don't know.   F Anyway, after reloading 7.1-2, I left the patches off, reinstalled the8 application and started it running.  That was last week.  . I'll watch the system for the next few months.   Thanks for all your help.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2004 09:35:32 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan), Subject: Re: MySQL 4.1.3-beta on ODS2 volume= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0407120835.75c5b450@posting.google.com>   W jf.pieronne@laposte.net wrote in message news:<ccodgh$7aj$1@news-reader4.wanadoo.fr>... Q > It has been reported that initial kit of MySQL 4.1.3 can't run an ODS-2 volume  E > (during startup of innodb  MySQL server try to create a file named  ) > innodb.status.id where id is a number). P > A new kit is, now, online which fix this problem, the offending file has been  > renamed innodb_startup.id).  >  > Sorry for any inconvience. >  >  > Jean-Franois   E Thanks for the effort, Jean-Franois.  It'll be a while before I have ( time to try this, but I have a question.  D When I used Unix (BSD 4.2/4.3 with csh, SunOS 4.x, etc) there seemed? to be common use of prefix dot suffix on those systems; I don't ; remember ever seeing multiple dots, though the use of other A characters, mixed case, and longer than VMS allowed filenames was F happening.  Other systems (CDC Cyber NOS, Harris VOS, VMS, DOS, Apple,E Macintosh, etc.) all seemed to mostly follow the prefix dot suffix de D facto standard.  Its been a long time, so perhaps I'm misrememberingA (though the SunOS and CDC Cyber NOS notes I still have don't show  anything different).  F Now it seems like most every time there's a problem with unix code and@ filenames  in ports its because of profligate usage of multi-dotF filenames (why?), long varying case names that differ only in case (soD case preserving is not good enough; you have to use case sensitive),C inclusion of characters that don't work for file/pathnames in other  file systems (why?)?  F So what is happening out there in unix-land that all these things seem& to have become so depressingly common?   Rich   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2004 06:37:47 -0700' From: rcwood0000@yahoo.com (Roy C Wood) > Subject: Re: New vms install, problem with serial console opa0< Message-ID: <22e43e71.0407120537.25a438c@posting.google.com>  l rcwood0000@yahoo.com (Roy C Wood) wrote in message news:<22e43e71.0407081158.2f69b0b8@posting.google.com>...; > I have just installed vax-vms 7.3 using my hobbyist disk. K >   I am running the vax through the simh emulator on windows. I always get V >   logged in through opa0: which thinks it's a serial line (an la36 device actually).P >   I need to start the emulator and boot and login through a device that allowsM >   graphics. It doesn't seem apparent on how to do that. I can't telnet into 3 >   the environment yet. Any help would be apprecia   ? I guess I should qualify my question. I don't neccessarily need  decwindows. B I need to be able to login to do editing like with TPU or EDT (not command line editing :*). 4 I need my login device to be a vt100 or vt200 etc...F A simple set term/vt100 does not work, forget get about setting it and@ doing a set term/inq, that don't work either, I am sure you guys already know that., Is there a trick I am missing in my old age?  
 Roy C Wood Former deccie......    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:43:22 +0300 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>> Subject: Re: New vms install, problem with serial console opa0& Message-ID: <40F2BFAA.56B727F0@hp.com>   Roy C Wood wrote:  > n > rcwood0000@yahoo.com (Roy C Wood) wrote in message news:<22e43e71.0407081158.2f69b0b8@posting.google.com>...= > > I have just installed vax-vms 7.3 using my hobbyist disk. M > >   I am running the vax through the simh emulator on windows. I always get X > >   logged in through opa0: which thinks it's a serial line (an la36 device actually).R > >   I need to start the emulator and boot and login through a device that allowsO > >   graphics. It doesn't seem apparent on how to do that. I can't telnet into 5 > >   the environment yet. Any help would be appreciaX > A > I guess I should qualify my question. I don't neccessarily need 
 > decwindows.eD > I need to be able to login to do editing like with TPU or EDT (not > command line editing :*).l6 > I need my login device to be a vt100 or vt200 etc...H > A simple set term/vt100 does not work, forget get about setting it andB > doing a set term/inq, that don't work either, I am sure you guys > already know that.. > Is there a trick I am missing in my old age? >  > Roy C Wood > Former deccie......o  G Does simh recognize the PC serial port? (Do you have a PC serial port?)n   Mike --  E ---------------------------------------------------------------------aE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*DF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------p -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----n Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------u   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2004 09:26:26 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS license transfer  policies and fees= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0407120826.33a362b9@posting.google.com>r  W "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<qPKdnbroP-X1iXLdRVn-gg@igs.net>...r   > 
 > Click here:r< > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/email/fiorina/index.html > % > Paste your complaint and elaborate.  > Send.m >    Done, sent.I   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:15:13 +0100o& From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]>' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Positions - Europet' Message-ID: <cctl07$irh$1@lore.csc.com>S   tutor wrote:  : > ========================================================F > And please remember, that a VAX shop was rarely staffed by more thanH > 10 people - say 2 programmers, a sys admin, operator, director/mis and= > ??? running an entire company / division !!! Eat that IBM !iD > Oh wait. Because of the lack of an empire, out sourcing the entireH > department was done in the blink of an eye. Opps !!!! Another negative	 > stroke!-( > ======================================  H I'm not going to say outsourcing is the right thing for everyone, but I H believe we as such a company have successfully guided a lot from VAX to D Alpha, and with a wide skill base can accurately cost up (including E ongoing costs) migrations to other platforms as well as upgrading or yE migrating to Alpha, so we've done our bit keeping VMS alive and well.@  + I expect other outsourcers can do the same.I -- 5E Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. Car Park Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesn nclews at csc dot comy   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2004 07:54:40 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Positions - Europen3 Message-ID: <hGv757aZpgvH@eisner.encompasserve.org>y  e In article <tnh1f0dj3sk59o49v0p5pudrqrlijv76rb@4ax.com>, tutor <tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com> writes: F > And please remember, that a VAX shop was rarely staffed by more thanH > 10 people - say 2 programmers, a sys admin, operator, director/mis and= > ??? running an entire company / division !!! Eat that IBM ! D > Oh wait. Because of the lack of an empire, out sourcing the entireH > department was done in the blink of an eye. Opps !!!! Another negative	 > stroke!c  /    Your experience is very different from ours.s   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jul 2004 07:55:16 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a' Subject: RE: OpenVMS Positions - EuropeC3 Message-ID: <PYp2t7sSE3E9@eisner.encompasserve.org><  c In article <1Sibu84jMShu@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > J > And when it comes right down to it, Object Oriented programming is _not_ > the answer to all problems.   $    Is it the answer to any problems?   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jul 2004 13:10:09 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Positions - Europe * Message-ID: <2lfgthFbs1h5U1@uni-berlin.de>  3 In article <PYp2t7sSE3E9@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:e > In article <1Sibu84jMShu@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  >> aK >> And when it comes right down to it, Object Oriented programming is _not_e >> the answer to all problems. > & >    Is it the answer to any problems?  ; There are some of us, even in academia, who don't think so.o   bill  i -- gJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:02:01 -0400a# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Positions - Europel, Message-ID: <fe-dnWzakpNABG_dRVn-hw@igs.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 > In article <PYp2t7sSE3E9@eisner.encompasserve.org>,i? > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:l6 >> In article <1Sibu84jMShu@eisner.encompasserve.org>,2 >> Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: >>>uF >>> And when it comes right down to it, Object Oriented programming is% >>> _not_ the answer to all problems.  >>' >>    Is it the answer to any problems?- >-= > There are some of us, even in academia, who don't think so.c    K Is there a lucid discussion of the pro/con arguments of this that you couldg
 recommend?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:17:55 -0400n& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Positions - Europe 8 Message-ID: <l9e5f016bj1rd6rc6b0gl619krjm95ph04@4ax.com>  H On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:02:01 -0400, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:   >Bill Gunshannon wrote: 6 >> In article <PYp2t7sSE3E9@eisner.encompasserve.org>,@ >> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:7 >>> In article <1Sibu84jMShu@eisner.encompasserve.org>,$3 >>> Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:t >>>>G >>>> And when it comes right down to it, Object Oriented programming isr& >>>> _not_ the answer to all problems. >>>h( >>>    Is it the answer to any problems? >>> >> There are some of us, even in academia, who don't think so. >y >eL >Is there a lucid discussion of the pro/con arguments of this that you could >recommend?  >t  P John, I read an interesting article called Objects Have Failed, presented at the OOPSLA convention in 2002, see:o  * 	http://oopsla.acm.org/fp/files/pan-1.html  P You can find copies of this paper on the Internet by searching on Googol for theP file name objectshavefailed.pdf. I don't know whether a paper for the other side$ of the debate is available or not...I -------------------------------------------------------------------------_I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com_I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)iI -------------------------------------------------------------------------r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:14:41 +0200t> From: Alain Chappuis <Alain.Chappuis@medecine.unige.ch.nospam>9 Subject: Re: Question about AS 800 and display resolutione& Message-ID: <40f26491$1@nntp.unige.ch>   Hans Vlems a crit :
 > Michael, > N > that may be the problem! If Alain would have used a pixel depth of 8 instead
 > of 24 itK > might have worked. The specific commands come from my Digital Server 3000; > (whiteL > box equivalent of the blue Alpha Server 800) and its video controller also > identifies: > itself as a Trio64 but is apparently a different device.  . No!  not improvement my screen stay in 800X600  
 I defined:. $    DEFINE/SYSTEM DECW$SERVER_REFRESH_RATE 74! $    decw$xsize_in_pixels == 1280-! $    decw$ysize_in_pixels == 1024 # $    decw$virtual_pages   == 800000l5 $ define/exec/system/nolog decw$server_pixel_depth  8      Thanks in advance$ Alainc -- m@   Alain Chappuis    (Remove NO.SPAM to answer me in my address!)@   Universit de Genve /Facult de Mdecine/Service Informatique1   http://www.sifm.unige.ch/presentation/alain.phpi   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:59:52 +0100>& From: Nic Clews <spamthis@[127.0.0.1]>2 Subject: Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the Wall' Message-ID: <cctgiu$hho$1@lore.csc.com>    Stanley F. Quayle wrote:D >>The article didn't explain why there are still so many VAXen.  WhyG >>didn't they migrate to Alpha?  I think that would make an interesting  >>story. >  > > > There are several reasons, in my experience with CHARON-VAX 
 > migrations:  > 8 > - Works great, why change it?  (Easily the #1 reason.)  > - Code is highly VAX-specific.< > - Application can't be migrated to Alpha using DECmigrate.B > - Application vendor doesn't exist anymore, or didn't migrate to
 >   Alpha.0 > - Application uses special or custom hardware.@ > - Migration to Alpha (or whatever) would require re-validation> >   (for military applications, this can cost millions of $$).  I For the last point, an "it depends". Certain real time type bet-your-ass 1C applications can't afford to be hostage to a fluffy teabag with no 2 concept of reality..  L And if anyone is in the real-time business, you'll know exactly what I mean.  I For "custom hardware", for VAXen you've led a sheltered life. Breadboard  % and rough sawn edges must be unknown.   G I can just see it. VAX missile control, when Windows says "did someone  I just plug in a USB device or have I haemorrhaged?" Where's your VAX when i you need it?  F And while we're on about "millions of $$", how many millions of $$ do G you think it takes to keep up with the latest vulnerabilities, keeping -E the o/s in a 'cleanroom', and over a 40 year period perform multiple e? Windows migrations from version to version? Is it so cheap now?N  / One size does not fit all. Again (shamelessly).r   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer SciencesE nclews at csc dot comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:44:34 -0400i2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>2 Subject: Re: VAX Users See the Writing on the Wall/ Message-ID: <40F25D82.17180.12C47DBF@localhost>y  ( On 12 Jul 2004 at 8:59, Nic Clews wrote:= > For the last point, an "it depends". Certain real time type B > bet-your-ass applications can't afford to be hostage to a fluffy$ > teabag with no concept of reality.  7 Windows is not the only platform choice for CHARON-VAX.   H > And if anyone is in the real-time business, you'll know exactly what I > mean.-   Absolutely.-  ? > For "custom hardware", for VAXen you've led a sheltered life.m2 > Breadboard and rough sawn edges must be unknown.  E I hope that no part of the world's defense systems are deployed as a h9 breadboard (except for the "bad guys", whoever they are).a  C > how many millions of $$ do you think it takes to keep up with thetI > latest vulnerabilities, keeping the o/s in a 'cleanroom', and over a 40aA > year period perform multiple Windows migrations from version tos
 > version?  F Most vulnerabilities are due to Windows being connected to a network. E Lots of military systems were deployed without network connectivity, sE and so the Windows box can be equally secure.  Just keep people away y from the keyboard.  F And if you're using VMS 4.5, there's no reason to hurry along to stay  current with Windows...l  1 > One size does not fit all. Again (shamelessly).l  C I never said that CHARON-VAX is the cure-all.  It's an option that aD deserves consideration.  Heck, some people are better off with a re- write.  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363i3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA-0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:45:28 GMT ) From: "Rick Barry" <richard.barry@hp.com> ! Subject: Re: XBitHack in SWS 2.0? 2 Message-ID: <cuxIc.5659$kQ7.4331@news.cpqcorp.net>  G Well, you're correct. Thanks for making me double-check. The code I saw-J commented out was for the default setting of XBitHack to Full (the default setting is Off).  E So, XBitHack should work if you enable the XBitHack directive and thetD Execute bit is set for the owner of the file and the content-type isI "text/html". If XBitHack is set to Full, the code also checks the Execute08 bit for the group component of the SOGW protection mask.    
 Rick Barry" Secure Web Server Development Team OpenVMS System Software Groupy Hewlett-Packard CompanyY
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